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Neighborhood Meeting for VPRA Franconia Area Projects Meeting Summer 2023 7/21/2023
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Neighborhood Meeting for VPRA Franconia Area Projects Meeting Summer 2023
7/21/2023
SPEAKER_01
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Okay, we'll get started in just a minute here.
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We have a few people trickling in, so I'm just going to give folks another minute before we get started.
SPEAKER_08
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Okay, let's go ahead and get started.
SPEAKER_01
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Welcome and good evening.
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My name is Meredith Judy and I'm the Community Affairs Manager for Virginia Passenger Rail Authority.
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Tonight, we are co-hosting our meeting with Franconia District Supervisor Rodney Lusk to inform Windsor Estates and Lewisdale Estates residents about upcoming rail projects adjacent to your neighborhoods.
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Our speakers tonight include Supervisor Rodney Lusk,
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Steven Barna, the VPRA Project Director, and Jason Bortz with Virginia Railway Express.
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Jason will share with us the work that VRE is doing at the Franconia Springfield Station concurrent with VPRA's work.
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Our primary goal tonight is to establish a working relationship with you that we can maintain throughout the length of our projects, both the design and construction phases.
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We will share a brief overview of VPRA and VRE's projects and do the best we can to answer your questions.
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As you will see, we are still very early in our work, so there remain a lot of unknowns.
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Any question we cannot answer today, we will provide a timeline for future answers.
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We appreciate you being here tonight.
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Please note that we're recording this webinar so that we can share on our website after the meeting.
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Before we begin, Supervisor Luss would like to share a few words of welcome.
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Supervisor Luss,
SPEAKER_05
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Thank you very much, Meredith, and I want to say thank you to all of you for being a part of this webinar discussion this evening.
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I think it's important for us to hear directly from the community and we want to share some information on a couple of projects that are specific to the VRE and that are adjacent to your communities.
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So let me start by saying I've had the opportunity to talk with the VRE staff
SPEAKER_06
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conceptually about this project.
SPEAKER_05
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And just last month, we had an opportunity to meet at the VRE station in Frank County Springfield and to do a little bit of a site walk.
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And I think that was really helpful for me to kind of get a better understanding of maybe some of the potential impacts to the community.
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And as a result of that walkthrough, we concluded that this opportunity for the community to hear specific about the project and ask any questions.
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was going to be really beneficial.
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I also wanted to make a couple of other points.
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We hope that many of you were able to receive the flyer that we put together and made sure it was distributed to both of your communities.
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And I want to say thank you to the volunteers who helped disseminate that because we ended up going door to door in some cases.
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So thank you for those who were part of that effort.
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Again, we want you to feel free to ask any questions that you have.
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We want to make sure that we can give you the best information as we know it, but I think what you just heard from Meredith is true.
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The final design is not completed, so there's going to be some questions we might not be able to answer here tonight, but we'll be able to get you an answer as we continue through the final design stage.
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But what I like about this is that we have some flexibility to include your comments
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as we are doing the design.
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So I hope you see this as a way for us to get that feedback from you and to influence what might be some of the final design features.
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Again, should you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to myself and my office.
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We're happy to get engaged and to assist in any way.
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And I'll go ahead and turn it back over to Meredith to begin the presentation.
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And again, look forward to hearing all of your feedback and your questions.
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Thank you.
SPEAKER_01
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All right, thank you, Supervisor Lusk.
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I'll just go over a few logistics.
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During the presentation, please use the meeting chat to submit a question to the moderator, to me.
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We'll answer questions following the presentation.
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During the Q&A portion of the webinar, you'll be able to use the raise the hand feature to let us know if you have any questions.
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and when it's your turn to speak, I will activate your microphone.
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I'll call on you, activate your microphone, and then you'll just need to unmute yourself to ask questions.
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We'll go over those again before the Q&A session.
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First, I'll hand this over to Stephen Barna, who is VPRA's director for our Franconia area projects.
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Stephen.
SPEAKER_04
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Thank you for the introduction, Meredith.
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Good evening, everyone.
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To introduce myself again, I'm Stephen Barna.
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the Virginia Passenger Rail Authority's Engineering Project Director.
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I'm in charge of the Franconia Corridor Railroad projects that we will be talking about this evening.
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At the beginning of a meeting, it is a VPRA practice to start with a safety reminder.
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Since this is a virtual meeting, I ask everyone to please be aware of safety hazards in your home and or office.
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Trip slip and fall hazards are everywhere.
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If anyone has an emergency, please leave the meeting and address the situation.
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The presentation will be posted to the VPRA website.
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Okay, many of you may be hearing about the Virginia Passenger Rail Authority, also known as VPRA, for the first time this evening.
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The Virginia Passenger Rail Authority is an
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independent authority created by the Virginia General Assembly in 2020 to promote and expand the availability of passenger and commuter rail service in the Commonwealth.
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To that end, VPRA's projects will expand the availability and improve passenger rail service throughout Virginia.
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This program is known as TRV, Transforming Rail in Virginia, partnering with Amtrak,
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Virginia Railway Express, and Norfolk Southern and CSX freight railroads, VPRA is working to provide passenger rail service throughout the Commonwealth that is convenient and affordable.
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Next slide, please.
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This slide may be a little busy, but it shows the breadth of the TRV projects throughout the Commonwealth.
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On the right, you can see the Washington DC to Richmond rail corridor projects.
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The I-495 beltway is at the top of the map and I-95 is just to the left of the rail line.
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Phase one projects are currently in the early design to nearing construction stage and phase two projects are in the study or nearing design stage.
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On the left bottom is a map showing future railroad corridor improvements VPRA will be undertaking.
SPEAKER_09
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Next slide.
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This slide shows the two projects that we are talking about this evening.
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The Franconia Springfield Bypass and the Franconia to Lorton Third Track.
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To orient ourselves, the beltway is at the top of the map and the rail lines turn south to the Franconia Springfield VRE station.
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Just south of the station is the bypass project.
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and approximately one mile long bridge structure, which will bring the passenger rail track up and over the two existing CSX mainline tracks.
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It runs from the west side to the east side.
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From the end of the bypass bridge, the Franconia to Lorton third track project will construct approximately six miles of new track adjacent to the CSX mainline tracks past the Lorton and Auto train stations.
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The bypass bridge and third track will be dedicated to passenger trains only.
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All construction will be within the existing CSX right of way with minimal additional property required.
SPEAKER_09
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Next slide.
SPEAKER_04
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This is an aerial view of the new third track alignment beginning at the I-495 beltway and progressing south to pass the Lorton stations.
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The beltway is at the top of the map and the yellow rail corridor runs north and south parallel to Interstate 95 to the left of the tracks.
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Next slide.
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This slide shows views looking south from the pedestrian bridge that crosses over the CSX mainline tracks from the VRE station platform on the left of the tracks to the metro station on the right of the tracks.
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The picture on the left shows the existing conditions today with the two CSX mainline tracks.
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The picture on the right shows a rendering of certain station improvements that VRE will be constructing in conjunction with the VPRA rail improvements.
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You can see the location of the new track to the left of the new platform extension and pedestrian access tunnel that VRE will be constructing as part of its improvements.
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and VRE will have more on the station improvements later in the presentation.
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Next slide.
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There are four locations of railroad bridge improvements the VPRA will be constructing for the third track.
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There will be new bridges at two stream crossings, Accotink and Pohit Creeks.
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Of greater interest to South Fairfax County residents will be the new bridges at Newington Road.
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Newington Road has one of the few remaining single lane bridge underpasses.
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In the picture on the left, you see the existing single lane.
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On the right, you can see a rendering of the two new railroad bridges that VPRA will be constructing.
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The new bridges will take the existing 20-foot opening and create a new 84-foot opening that will be able to accommodate up to four lanes in a future VDOT project.
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The last new bridge will be at Lorton Road.
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At this location, a new bridge will be added to the existing bridge.
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The picture on the left is the existing condition looking West down Lorton Road.
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The picture on the right is a rendering of the new bridge and piers.
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They will not encroach on the existing roadway.
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This slide provides an aerial location of the Franconia Springfield Bypass with an insert rendering of the bridge structure that will be constructed.
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The bypass will eliminate one of the main bottlenecks in the rail corridor.
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To the north of the Franconia Springfield Station, the passenger station platforms are located on the west side of the tracks.
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To the south of the Franconia Springfield Station, the passenger station platforms are located on the east side of the tracks.
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The bypass will allow passenger trains to cross the CSX mainline tracks without being delayed by freight trains.
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These are engineering aerial renderings of the bypass bridge structure looking south and north.
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As can be seen, it is a somewhat unique railroad structure.
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This railroad flyover will be only the second of its kind in the United States.
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What are the benefits of these projects and indeed the Transforming Rail in Virginia program?
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The ability to keep freight trains and passenger trains separate from each other will allow both Amtrak and VRE to increase passenger service to and through our region by increasing the number of trains and reducing wait times.
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Not having freight trains and passenger trains sharing the same tracks will improve the reliability of service,
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and the ability to better connect passengers to bus and metro rail service.
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VPRA has many partners in the TRV program for both funding and coordination of other agency projects.
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This slide presents the milestones for developing and completing the Franconia Corridor projects.
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Both projects are currently at complete 30% designs.
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We are progressing to the 60% design phase anticipated to be completed early next year with 100% design completed by the beginning of 2025 and construction starting early 2025.
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Several early works packages are anticipated to allow completion of geotechnical investigations.
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That will provide the information required to complete foundation designs.
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As the designs progress, we will have better defined schedules and access locations for construction.
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The status of the projects and next steps.
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As noted in the previous slide, the third track project is currently advancing the design to 60%.
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VPRA determined that a construction manager, general contractor,
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or CMGC delivery method will be best for the bypass project.
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That procurement is underway.
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We anticipate having the contractor on board this fall.
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As the designs get closer to completion, both project schedules will be better defined in the spring of 2024.
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And I'll turn it over to Jason Bortz with VRE.
SPEAKER_03
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Thank you for that, Stephen.
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I am Jason Bortz with the Virginia Railway Express, and I'm the project manager for the improvements at the Franconia Springfield Station.
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On your screen, you can see the footprint of the project.
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To get your bearings off the right-hand side of the screen is the Franconia Springfield Parkway, and in the bottom left corner is the cul-de-sac at the end of Berry Road.
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Primarily, we are extending our platforms.
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That work is shown in pink.
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That will allow us to consistently board eight car trains, which means longer trains, shorter boarding times, which will help as we try to increase frequency of service in the future.
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On the left-hand side of the photo, you'll see a large section in green that heads down towards the cul-de-sac.
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That is a ramp and pedestrian tunnel, which you were able to see a bit of in some of the renderings that Stephen showed.
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Ultimately, that is necessary due to the new third track.
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It maintains the pedestrian and bike access that is currently available from Berry Road.
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Next slide.
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Thank you.
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So these are some cross sections of what that tunnel looks like.
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I think Stephen's renderings actually showed it a little bit better.
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These are a little bit more technical, but just to show that in the top drawing, ultimately the tunnel is well below the surface of the ground, and as it gets closer to the station, you'll see what you see in the bottom cross section, which is that it's actually sticking up above the ground.
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There's a roof on it to keep rain out, but it would be open air otherwise.
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Ultimately, that is there to maintain that access to Berry Road.
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The design for that is we're working towards 30% package, anticipating that in the next few months and currently targeting construction in the 2024 to 26 timeframe.
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Really, because of the nature of the work, we're working closely with Steven to make sure that our construction schedules are working in tandem.
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since we'll be occupying a lot of the same footprint.
SPEAKER_04
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OK, from previous public meetings and events, we've had recurring questions from the public and I can address some of the more frequent ones now.
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Again, as the designs progress and the CMGC contractor comes on board at the end of the year, we will have more precise answers
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A very frequent recurring question is when is construction expected to occur and how long will it take to complete the projects?
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We anticipate beginning construction in early 2025.
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Both projects will take approximately 30 months to finish, making completion mid-year 2027.
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Where will the construction access be located in the project corridor?
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As the designs progress, possible access locations will be determined with the help of the contractors.
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These locations will be determined near or shortly after 60% design.
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How would these projects be coordinated with the VRE station projects?
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As Jason said, VPRA, VRE, and CSX hold regularly scheduled meetings to coordinate designs and future construction schedules.
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Will there be increased vibration levels at nearby residences?
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The studies at the 30% design show no increase in noise or vibration levels.
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An additional vibration study will be performed after the 60% design when foundations are better determined what type they're going to be as they play a big part in how vibration can be transmitted into the ground.
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Will these projects have an impact on the environment?
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VPRA and CSX will follow all Commonwealth and Federal environmental permitting requirements.
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We're attempting to keep our footprint outside of the CSX corridor for access, lay down yards, et cetera, to a minimum.
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We do have to follow all of the Federal and Commonwealth requirements.
SPEAKER_09
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Next slide.
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Thank you for your time and interest in our projects and for being here this evening.
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I will now turn it back to Meredith for the question and answer portion of the meeting.
SPEAKER_01
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Thank you, Stephen.
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We will have a question and answer session in just a moment, but first I want to summarize the ways to keep in touch with us.
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As you may know, all of our materials from our June public outreach are posted on our project website.
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That includes a frequently asked question summary,
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Boards, slides, and a video from the June virtual meeting.
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We will also post a video of tonight's meeting for any residents of Windsor Estates and Lewisdale Estates who could not attend tonight.
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We have the email addresses for everyone who registered here tonight.
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If you know someone who would like to stay informed but could not attend tonight, please have them send us their email address.
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So let's move into our question and answer session.
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Please use the raise the raise hand feature to let us know if you have any questions.
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I will call on you, then I'll activate your microphone and you may unmute yourself to ask a question.
SPEAKER_07
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Are there any questions?
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You can use the raise hand function.
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Alright Mr.
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Chennabee, I believe I'm saying that correct.
SPEAKER_08
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I'm going to unmute you.
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Sorry.
SPEAKER_07
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Mr. Chenoveek, are you able to speak?
SPEAKER_08
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Naomi, are you able to unmute someone to speak here?
SPEAKER_07
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It doesn't appear that I have that permission.
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Are you having the same issue?
SPEAKER_08
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I'm trying to unmute.
SPEAKER_05
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If you have to the maybe the question to go to the chat and then answer it from there.
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OK, why don't we just just just to keep it just to keep it going to keep it moving.
SPEAKER_01
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That's a good idea.
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OK, but if we could get folks to put their questions in the chat.
SPEAKER_08
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Now I saw some hands raised.
SPEAKER_03
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Meredith, I think it actually let me, I'm not sure why it would let me, not you, but activate Mr. Chenive's microphone.
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Yeah, Mr. Chenive, if you're able on your end, you might need to click the button to actually unmute your mic.
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It's usually up in the top right corner of the screen.
SPEAKER_08
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Okay, they've removed the disable button.
SPEAKER_09
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But certainly, maybe go to the chat for now and see the question came in.
SPEAKER_07
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Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_01
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This is from Ms. Arielle.
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Will there be alternate road access for Loisdale Estates Darby Lane residents to access the newly built platforms?
SPEAKER_03
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There is no additional access.
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The access would be maintained the same.
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It would be either from the WMATA through their station or from the end of the cul-de-sac at the end of Berry Road.
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This access would effectively be the same, except instead of walking up an asphalt service road, it would be through a pedestrian underpass.
SPEAKER_07
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All right, next question.
SPEAKER_01
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How do you do the vibration testing?
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Do you actually test at residences?
SPEAKER_04
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No, it's an analysis, an engineering analysis based on the geology of the area and the project foundation designs.
SPEAKER_09
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Also on the train loadings, obviously.
SPEAKER_01
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All right, next question.
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What is the plan to police the tunnel to keep homeless out, et cetera?
SPEAKER_03
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Yeah, so we will be using, there's no specific coverage in that regard as far as police that's outside of VREs.
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territory.
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But as far as we will have lighting, security cameras, things like that to ensure that there is continuous monitoring of the area.
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And trying to think of what we will have.
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We did take some measures in the design of it to, I'll say, minimize the likelihood of stumbling upon somebody if someone of an unhoused person were to be there.
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things like trying to make the turn in the tunnel not a hard 90 degree turn so you could see a little better around it and adding a convex mirror at the corner so you could see around it so you're not caught off guard as you walk around the corner by people going in the opposite direction or things like that.
SPEAKER_01
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Great, thank you Jason.
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Next question, for the bridge bypass, how high will the new rail surface be above the existing track height?
SPEAKER_04
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The new rail surface at the top of the bridges will be approximately 30 feet higher than the existing rails are.
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That allows for double decked trains, double cargo boxes,
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and the structure itself, the construction of the structure.
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It may be a little higher.
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It depends on how the final designs work out, what the actual bridge elements are going to be.
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We'll have a better idea of that at 60%.
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Things will be fixed at that point, so that's when we'll know what the actual bridge elements are going to be.
SPEAKER_01
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We have a comment about the vibration, a follow-up on the vibration question.
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It says that my house currently shakes now when some loud and fast trains come by.
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Perhaps it's a good idea to do the testing, I believe that is, at the residences.
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I live in Windsor Estates right on top of the station.
SPEAKER_04
00:29:49
Well, we have no plans at this point to do testing after construction.
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The analysis is done prior to construction to see if it will be worse than it is now or different than it is now.
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And that's about the best we can say.
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We will, if at that point we have issues where vibrations shown to be increased over what it is now, we'll have to take a hard look at the design and see what can be done.
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This time the existing conditions out there are not under the current designs anticipated to be worse than they are now.
SPEAKER_08
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Those are all the questions I see in the chat.
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Let's see.
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I see some more, one minute.
SPEAKER_01
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Okay, next question.
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Given the likely use of Berry Road for construction traffic and the lack of a sidewalk on either side of Berry Road, what is the plan for ensuring pedestrian safety for walkers on Berry Road?
SPEAKER_04
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Well, we will have to get all haul routes,
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permitted through Fairfax County and VDOT.
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And we will have to make sure that all of the traffic is handled in a safe and expeditious manner.
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I don't know anything about Fairfax County's possible sidewalk, new sidewalks in the area.
SPEAKER_09
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I can't speak to that.
SPEAKER_07
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Next question.
SPEAKER_01
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Are vibration and noise data available for the other existing bridge bypass project that could serve as a baseline for local predictions?
SPEAKER_04
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I'm not aware of what kind of information would exist for the existing flyover, but it would be a totally different condition, different geology
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that the foundations are set upon.
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And I'm not sure that anything that would come from that would really be applicable to where we are.
SPEAKER_01
00:32:33
OK, next question.
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If the bridge extends 30 feet above the existing track, won't that increase noise to the neighborhoods?
SPEAKER_04
00:32:52
The study shows that it won't.
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that the existing noise level will be no worse than it is now.
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That's what the studies have shown.
SPEAKER_07
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I think Naomi also has something to add to that.
SPEAKER_00
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Hi.
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Sorry, I had not introduced myself at the onset of the meeting.
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My name is Naomi Klein.
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I am a planning manager with the Virginia Passenger Rail Authority and that study in noise and vibration part of the work that we're doing on this project is that we'll be adding retaining walls.
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And so those retaining walls are going to be and the cuts that will be made to the land to build those retaining walls will help to be a barrier to that noise.
SPEAKER_09
00:33:53
Thank you, Naomi.
SPEAKER_01
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Next question.
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When the station was initially put in 30 years ago, they started construction at three in the morning.
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Can you guarantee that won't happen again?
SPEAKER_04
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Well, I can speak to the VPRA projects and know that that can't be guaranteed.
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We will be doing both our project and VRE's projects
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on an extremely busy railroad corridor.
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And that makes it almost definite that work will more than likely have to occur 24 hours and maybe even seven days a week.
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It depends on how we can coordinate with CSX and Amtrak to get the work done.
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Work that doesn't involve actually being adjacent to or over tracks.
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That work will be performed during daylight hours because that's the most efficient and safe way to construct.
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But it can't be guaranteed that we won't be working 24 hours, seven days a week.
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It's just a necessity for the type of work that we have to do.
SPEAKER_07
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All right, next question.
SPEAKER_01
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I have read that freight trains, in order to save money, are longer and carrying more freight per train.
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So less trains and staff are needed.
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Is this being taken into consideration?
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Well, the freight train...
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Sorry about that.
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For future, I was scrolling.
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For future vibration testing, I also back up to the tracks in the Windsor Estates, and my house also shakes currently, and this track will be closer.
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and only carry the freight trains.
SPEAKER_04
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That's it.
00:35:49
The new tracks and the flyover are dedicated exclusively to passenger and commuter rail service.
00:35:58
So the only trains on the flyover will be Amtrak and VRE trains, which, as you know, are much smaller in length than a freight train.
00:36:14
As far as noise goes for the freight trains, they'll actually be running under the new bridge.
00:36:23
And as Naomi said, there will be new retaining walls.
00:36:27
So I would anticipate sound would be less, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_07
00:36:36
Let's see.
SPEAKER_01
00:36:39
There's a question about the amount of construction traffic on Berry Road.
SPEAKER_04
00:36:47
Barry Road is going to be essential for the work at the station, but it'll also be a necessity for the bypass.
00:36:59
There's very limited access to that one and a half mile corridor that the bypass is in.
00:37:07
You have the Long Branch there running almost parallel to the railroad, so we will have to have access from both the north and the south.
00:37:17
for that project.
SPEAKER_01
00:37:23
There's several questions related to the retaining walls.
00:37:33
I think Naomi says she has an answer to this.
00:37:36
The retaining walls by their nature or in the ground, will they provide any noise buffer
00:37:42
And then a question about, so the studies actually showed that noise would be increased, question mark, since you are now putting in barrier walls.
00:37:54
Which makes sense, so you're not subject to local noise construction laws is the question.
00:37:58
Naomi, did you say you had a response to that?
SPEAKER_00
00:38:03
Yeah, just to the retaining walls, so the retaining walls
00:38:06
Steven mentioned, you know, the bypass structure is going to be 30 feet and there will be retaining walls that will be essentially, they're not, so just to, just to clarify, these are not sound walls.
00:38:20
These are not being installed for the purposes of noise.
00:38:23
They're, they're crash, they're walls that are put up either to, you know, hold the land from erosion or to hold up the structures itself.
00:38:34
They have the added benefit.
00:38:36
of reducing the distance that noise will travel or the severity of that noise.
00:38:44
So I just wanted to make sure that I clarified that the walls that I'm talking about, the retaining walls are not specifically being put in as sound barriers.
00:38:54
They just have that added benefit.
00:38:56
And then to the question of, sorry, I'm trying to
00:39:00
Yes, we are subject to local noise and construction laws and maybe that is in regards to we were talking about doing nighttime work, but obviously we will obtain all permits and follow all regulations that are required surrounding nighttime work.
SPEAKER_01
00:39:29
Now we have a question for the Newington Highway Bridge Project.
00:39:34
Is there a plan to accommodate pedestrian traffic through that area or across the tracks?
00:39:42
We do have some people online from Fairfax County.
00:39:47
I don't know if they want to speak to that.
SPEAKER_07
00:39:56
Maybe we don't anymore.
SPEAKER_01
00:39:58
Oh, there we go.
SPEAKER_04
00:40:00
I can probably address that.
SPEAKER_01
00:40:02
Okay, all right.
00:40:03
I'll go ahead, Stephen, and then Martha is also on.
SPEAKER_04
00:40:08
Well, yes, the new width of the new bridges, 84 feet, does allow VDOT in the future to construct up to four lanes, as well as have pedestrian bikeways of a fair size, six to eight feet.
00:40:27
on both sides of the roadway with a buffer between traffic and pedestrian traffic.
00:40:35
That should be in a future plan with VDOT.
SPEAKER_02
00:40:42
Hi, everyone.
00:40:43
I'm Martha Cole for Fairfax County DOT.
00:40:45
I think, Steven, you covered it.
00:40:46
Yes, the plan is that it will accommodate any future comp plan recommendations as well as pedestrian access as well.
SPEAKER_08
00:41:01
Let's see.
00:41:02
Let me get to the next question.
SPEAKER_01
00:41:05
Oh, OK, well, somebody is asking if we can make sure someone from Fairfax County is at future meetings.
00:41:13
We do have someone here today.
00:41:16
That we have a couple of people from Fairfax County that are listening in and ready to answer questions if you have any.
00:41:23
Of course, in addition to Supervisor Lusk and his office staff.
00:41:28
The next question is, I was told at a previous meeting the third track would carry the freight trains.
00:41:35
So you're saying the third track closest to Windsor Estates will only carry passenger trains?
SPEAKER_04
00:41:42
That's basically correct.
00:41:44
The bypass structure is being constructed to meet freight train requirements, but it's dedicated to passenger and commuter rail service.
00:41:56
The only time a freight train would be allowed to go on that would be if there's a major derailment or some other reason that the freight tracks in our area were not able to be used.
00:42:12
And that should be extremely rare if ever to occur.
00:42:17
We are building this, VPRA is, for
00:42:23
Passenger and Commuter Rail Service, not for CSX.
SPEAKER_03
00:42:29
Steven, I think at Windsor Estates, that's the portion right by the station.
00:42:35
So the third track, the new track going in would actually be the one closest to that development, which that would be the freight track.
00:42:45
I think what gets confusing with the new third track is that because of the bypass, it flips sides depending on where you're at.
00:42:53
So that might get a little confusing depending on where you're talking about along the corridor.
00:42:59
Sometimes the third track is on the east side and sometimes it's on the west side.
00:43:05
The passenger platforms are not moving.
00:43:08
They're getting a little bit longer, but they're not moving.
00:43:11
So the two tracks that are currently have platforms along them will continue to have passenger service.
00:43:20
The new track that will be built east
00:43:24
of the of the of the station away on the side away from WMATA.
00:43:28
I know it's kind of a southeast.
00:43:33
That would be a freight only track.
SPEAKER_01
00:43:38
Did you have something you wanted to add?
00:43:40
Oh, go ahead, Stephen, and I think you.
SPEAKER_04
00:43:42
Again, there will be retaining walls on that east side, so it should alleviate some of the sound issues.
SPEAKER_00
00:43:53
And
00:43:54
Just to clarify back to Jason's point about the third track, so to recap for some people who I know may have come in late to the meeting, there are two projects that VPRA is undertaking and one is a third track project where we are building a third track next to two existing tracks.
00:44:12
Those three tracks will be interoperable, meaning both freight and passenger rail will be able to use all three tracks.
00:44:20
It will be built for that purpose.
00:44:23
and the benefit of adding that third track is that there will be additional capacity.
00:44:30
Freight and passenger rail won't have to negotiate as much to be able to provide service.
00:44:38
The second project is a bypass project.
00:44:40
It is essentially a bridge that we're building a track to cross over.
00:44:46
The reason is because when the VRE trains are traveling,
00:44:52
which side of the platform the station or which side of the track the station is on switches.
00:44:59
And so what happens is for the trains to be able to serve those stations, they have to cross over all of the tracks in between one station and the next station.
00:45:09
And so that bypass structure, that bridge, that will only be used by passenger cars.
00:45:14
But the third track itself, which is a different project from the bypass, all three of those tracks are interoperable.
00:45:22
So when we talk about only being able to be used by passenger trains, we're talking only about the bypass structure.
SPEAKER_07
00:45:34
All right, another question.
SPEAKER_01
00:45:35
Thank you, Naomi.
00:45:37
Another question expressing concern about Berry Road not able to handle the construction workload.
00:45:44
Will we maintain and improve it?
SPEAKER_04
00:45:47
Well, it will be a requirement by Fairfax County and VDOT on any roadway that is identified and used as a haul route that it be maintained and should there be serious damage, it would have to be repaired by the project's contractor.
00:46:05
So it won't be, how to put this, improved, but it has to be maintained in its current state.
00:46:15
and turned back over in its current state.
SPEAKER_07
00:46:24
Right Aaron, did you?
00:46:25
I saw you have a note in the chat.
SPEAKER_01
00:46:26
Did you want to say anything related to the sidewalk questions?
00:46:31
Is Aaron Campbell is the aid for Supervisor Lusk?
SPEAKER_06
00:46:35
No, I think that I put it in the chat.
00:46:37
I just I'll investigate with our active active transportation staff and see if it's
00:46:44
can be included on our unfunded project list.
SPEAKER_01
00:46:47
OK.
00:46:49
Thank you.
00:46:50
A question about when the public may be able to see diagrams of the retaining walls and where they will be and how they will look.
SPEAKER_04
00:47:00
That would be determined at the 60% design.
00:47:05
That would be when we lock down the locations and the types of walls.
00:47:12
and that would be sometime early next year.
SPEAKER_01
00:47:19
Question about is there a way the public can see the sound studies?
00:47:22
It doesn't seem possible that you can add a rail closer to homes and not increase the sound and vibration.
00:47:27
I'm not an engineer, but just doesn't make sense.
00:47:31
Who did the study?
00:47:35
I know Naomi would take, oh go ahead Steven.
SPEAKER_04
00:47:37
Well, I was going to say Naomi might be able to address that.
00:47:42
I can't.
SPEAKER_00
00:47:44
Yeah.
00:47:46
Will you take the next question while I go get through my email to answer that that last part of who did the study and get back to you?
SPEAKER_01
00:47:54
Yes, absolutely.
00:47:56
OK, let's see.
SPEAKER_08
00:48:00
Oh, I think that is our last question in the chat right now.
00:48:12
We'll just give you a second, Naomi, to pull that up.
00:48:15
No pressure.
SPEAKER_00
00:48:22
Yeah, so the answer is that the noise and vibration assessment was done as part of the environmental NEPA process and
00:48:34
and it was actually done by the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation, DRPT, and that was before our organization, the Virginia Passenger Rail Association, was formed.
00:48:47
For those who joined late, we are a new authority that was created in 2020 and we took over many of these capital infrastructure projects from DRPT.
00:48:58
Can the study be shared?
00:49:00
I don't see why not.
00:49:03
I don't know if it is already posted on our website, but I think as Meredith said,
00:49:09
We have the emails of everybody.
00:49:12
And so what I just need to do, because like I said, we did not do the study, is just confirm that this is something that we can publicly share.
00:49:21
But I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, that we can.
00:49:25
I don't see why we couldn't if it was part of our NEPA.
SPEAKER_01
00:49:28
We can follow up with you, Mr. Coder, specifically on that request.
SPEAKER_08
00:49:31
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01
00:49:37
But I think the answer is, Naomi, that the studies showed that the sound was not going to increase.
SPEAKER_00
00:49:44
Yeah, and my understanding was that it was not going to increase above what the federal threshold is that requires mitigation, which I believe is 66 decibels.
00:49:55
Off the top of my head, to be fully transparent, the study is, I haven't read it from cover to cover, but I don't know if it says there will be no increase or if it says that the increase is below the threshold requiring mitigation.
00:50:16
I can say 66 decibels is described as the sound level of an air conditioner or a conversation.
SPEAKER_01
00:50:23
So it has to be kept below that level.
SPEAKER_00
00:50:27
Yes, correct.
SPEAKER_01
00:50:28
OK. Alright, OK, we have one other comment and question.
00:50:34
Barry Road really needs to be reviewed because there is no way it will be able to handle that construction traffic.
00:50:40
School buses cause problems.
00:50:43
What are hundreds of cement trucks going to do?
SPEAKER_04
00:50:45
Well, those are questions that we will be working closely
00:50:53
our contractors for the VPRA projects and VRE's project, the contractors will be working closely with Fairfax County and VDOT.
00:51:07
And again, they have to maintain the roadways, keep them in good working condition.
00:51:13
But as for improving or making betterments, that's not part of what we're required to do.
SPEAKER_07
00:51:26
All right, those are all the questions I see in the chat.
SPEAKER_01
00:51:33
So before we wrap up, do you have any questions or any final words, Supervisor Lusk?
SPEAKER_05
00:51:42
Yes, I'll just say again, I appreciate the engagement by the community.
00:51:46
The questions are very good and I will make sure that we can
00:51:51
provides some answers on the ones that are still outstanding.
00:51:54
So we'll work with VRE and Virginia Rail to get those back to you as well.
00:52:01
And I'll say, I know that we might have to think about maybe another meeting at some point.
00:52:08
So this is a discussion I'll have with the team here in terms of maybe a follow up as we're getting closer in the design.
00:52:17
Because I think, as we said earlier, we're not at
00:52:21
full design.
00:52:22
So there might be some additional things that come as a result of that additional engineering.
00:52:28
So that could necessitate us coming back and having a follow up conversation.
00:52:34
So I just want to put that on the table as well.
00:52:37
And again, appreciate all folks here from the county and the state who are very, very engaged with this project.
SPEAKER_06
00:52:48
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01
00:52:51
Alright, thank you Supervisor Lusk and thank you everybody for attending tonight.
00:52:56
This is the end of our webinar.
00:52:57
And let's see, the next slide should have our contact information once again, ways to reach us so that we can keep you informed.
00:53:09
Any questions that you have along the way.
00:53:11
Thank you very much for being here tonight and we look forward to continuing the dialogue with you.
00:53:18
Good night.