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Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission
Rural Transportation Advisory Committee Meeting 11/28/2023
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Rural Transportation Advisory Committee Meeting
11/28/2023
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Meeting Packet 2023-11-28.pdf
SPEAKER_12
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along the regional network.
SPEAKER_06
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So our public engagement plan, I'm sure if you asked Sandy and Curtis for a copy, I'm sure we can share that with you all later if you're interested in getting into the weeds.
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But it outlines kind of how we intend to meet those goals.
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And I'll give you just kind of a brief overview of some of it now.
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Public engagement is going to be conducted in three phases over the course of more than a year.
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Each phase builds on each other, but it also allows people to plug in where they can.
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So there will be ample time for your community, your jurisdiction to share feedback and to get involved.
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We are currently in the, I would say we're maybe technically in phase one, but I think we're more in preparation for phase one because we haven't fully gone out before the public yet with any asks.
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So next slide, Rashawn.
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So we intend for the safety action plan to reflect the values and interests of a wide range of transportation modes, age groups, different backgrounds, people across the whole region.
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To accomplish this, we're going to use a blend of tactics, virtual options, in-person meetings, pop-up events to meet people where they are, social media, media, a regularly updated website dedicated to move safely, and more.
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And that's kind of how we're planning to reach the general public, but we also have identified a few engagement audiences that will play a more detailed and expansive role in our engagement process.
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The first one of those audiences is our Safety Action Working Group.
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Each of your jurisdictions has appointed two representatives, maybe even some of you here in this virtual room today, to serve on the working group.
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The working group will advise and provide technical expertise throughout the development of the Move Safely plan.
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The second are our community partners.
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These are community organizations, established jurisdiction level working groups and committees, faith-based organizations, trade and business groups that are already working in the region.
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We'll be asking those partners to help us get the word out about engagement opportunities using their existing meetings, events, and communication channels.
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And then the last engagement audience that we really wanted to focus in on today with you all are our community champions.
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My colleague Rashawn is going to provide a more detailed look at the role of community champions and how you can help us identify the right champions to reflect your jurisdiction.
SPEAKER_02
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All right, thank you, Ashley.
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So similar to what Ashley just said, the community champions represent just one of the many ways we are engaging your specific jurisdiction.
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And so in a couple of minutes, we'll have people either participate in the chat or come up and you would love to hear some of your ideas of who you guys would recommend as community champions.
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Before that, these individuals, they're going to represent your specific communities.
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They're what we call under engaged, not typically engaged in the public participation process.
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These community champions are going to help host local events to gather feedback, and that feedback will help inform the development of Move Safely Blue Bridge.
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And these individuals also receive a stipend for their efforts.
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So we have two asks today.
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One is to identify some of those under engaged communities and also to identify some of the recommendations for community champions again in your specific areas.
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Some of the characteristics of an under-engaged community is, and this is not a comprehensive list, but as we're thinking right now, these can be demographics in your area, specific geographical areas, really communities that historically or currently don't show up in the engagement process.
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So perhaps they
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don't typically respond to surveys, they don't come to public, typically in large droves, come to public meetings.
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Perhaps there's a dearth of active community organizations in these communities.
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Think about communities that are actually physically separated by some type of barrier community and perhaps that's the reason why, again, they're not showing up to public meetings or virtual meetings.
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Sometimes these meetings also have higher rates of poverty and unemployment levels.
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So if we could just take a minute, you could be happy to come up and mute and do a monitor in the chat.
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Just think back in your specific counties, which communities would be considered under engaged.
SPEAKER_05
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If you're looking for someone to respond, in Greene County, it would be Latinos, African Americans, and really, I would argue anybody that is probably 60% or less of the AMI,
SPEAKER_02
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Thank you for that.
SPEAKER_00
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Yeah, for Nelson County, it's very similar.
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We've definitely got specific geographical areas and demographics that are very engaged, and those are easy to pinpoint.
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The rest of the county is less engaged on varying degrees, but we do have some specific areas like Norwood and Wingina and Gladstone that are harder to reach.
SPEAKER_02
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What was the last one, Emily?
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You said Gladstone?
SPEAKER_00
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Gladstone, yeah.
SPEAKER_02
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Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER_00
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It's pretty geographically isolated.
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It's right down by the James River and pretty far from the rest of the county.
SPEAKER_10
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Based off the public engagement, you know, we still have areas, and this is not a Louisa County problem, this is a group problem of areas that don't have internet service, where people are relying completely on their cell phone.
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And with that, we have
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We have a percentage of people that have properties they don't live full-time.
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They might be rental income properties.
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We also have a large group of people that may work outside of the community and have to commute to either Charlottesville or Fredericksburg or Richmond, which means if you have an in-person meeting, it'll be hard for them to attend it if it takes them until six o'clock to get home and they have to pick up kids or anything else like that from daycare.
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And so, you know,
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Those are problems, issues that just about every rural county is going to face, though.
SPEAKER_04
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Yeah, for Albemarle, it's interesting to have
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populations in both the rural and I guess the more urban areas that are under engaged.
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So there's different strategies to kind of reach both of them.
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For the rural ones, like Tom just said, they might be just not have internet or just hard to reach.
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It's just hard to get them all together.
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So there's both the rural aspect and some urban aspect as well.
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You can get to them, but again, historically they've been kind of isolated into little enclaves almost.
SPEAKER_13
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This is Jason, Fluvanna.
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Yeah, I echo everything that Tom said, essentially, regarding the lack of internet connectivity or high speed.
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That tends to be in particular areas of the county.
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Geographically speaking, our southeastern part of the county, Brimo and West Bottom, have been underserved historically.
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It tends to be an African-American population overall.
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Based on some of our turnout at a few of our more contentious meetings,
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That was evident that it was either underserved purposely or people aren't engaged or not participating.
SPEAKER_02
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Yeah, Jason, what was the last one?
SPEAKER_13
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You said west?
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West Bottom.
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It's in the southeastern portion of the county.
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They're just small communities, crossroad communities.
SPEAKER_02
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Thank you.
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These are all great.
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Is there any more communities people want to identify?
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can come up and mute or put in the chat.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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From the urban perspective, I know we typically do not hear as much from lower income.
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I think when we did our last sort of big public engagement effort, most of the responses were probably a household income of $75,000 or higher.
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And then we also, unless we make really concerted efforts,
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any sort of demographic minority, Latinx, Hispanic, African-American, et cetera are not well represented in our engagement efforts unless we're specifically reaching out to those communities.
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I think also this might be more of an issue in the rural areas than maybe the urban areas, but maybe seniors or individuals, you know,
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that are retirement age or older might be a little bit underrepresented as well.
SPEAKER_02
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Thank you for that Sandy.
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All right.
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So I'll continue on.
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We're gonna do a similar exercise in our last couple of minutes to help identify some community champions.
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So for this, I would just think about it as individuals that would work in the communities we just identified.
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So they're gonna work really closely with them.
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They're gonna represent some of the interests and priorities of those communities.
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They're going to participate in local events that target these communities.
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So if we can just take maybe a minute or two again with a mute or chat if there's specific individuals that come to mind would be helpful.
SPEAKER_10
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I have a quick question about that if that's okay.
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I understand individuals like church leaders, organization leaders, but are you looking at very involved Facebook groups or Instagram groups?
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We have a Louisa residents group, but we also have a Lake Anna group.
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Is that part of that, or are we really talking about boots on the ground individuals that represent certain organizations and groups?
SPEAKER_02
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Yeah, it's going to be, and team can jump in, more of the former.
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So these are individuals.
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They can't be active in these groups, but they're people we would liaise with directly.
SPEAKER_06
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That's for the champions.
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I think it would be helpful for us if there are groups that are coming to mind.
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It's certainly helpful for us to know of those because maybe we can see them in that audience as a community partner to help spread information, or maybe there's
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We can check out those groups and see if there's a really active participant who might be interested in stepping into the community champion role.
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So both are helpful.
SPEAKER_07
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And then another question with the community champion, how much, if anything, do they need to know about transportation?
SPEAKER_06
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I would say it's more important that they know their community.
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We will be providing training to the champions about the plan and about kind of what we're hoping they can convey out to the public.
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And that'll be an opportunity for them to kind of brush up on that information.
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So I would say it's more important that they understand their community, they're respected in their community or have good roots or connections there.
SPEAKER_07
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Yeah, so Tom, if you don't mind, two recommendations I'd probably have for Louisa County would be Robin Antonucci.
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She's in Zion Crossroads area.
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She's very vocal when it comes to transportation stuff.
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So I think it'd be beneficial to have her in at the beginning because a lot of people go to her in the Spring Creek subdivision and Green Springs area.
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And then the other one, I haven't talked to him about it.
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I don't know what he would
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but Willie Gentry, he served VDOT for 20 years then was a Board of Supervisors member for about 20 years and he is getting off in January so I don't know if he would still want to be involved or not but I do think this is something that he knows the community really well and he knows transportation really well so I think he would have some opinions on it as well.
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Excellent, thanks Chris.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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That's awesome.
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Chris, what part of the county does Willie Gentry typically represent?
SPEAKER_07
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So Willie's in the Cuckoo District, which is central and eastern part of the lake.
SPEAKER_10
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For those members of the committee that don't have people that come to mind immediately, when do you need that information by?
SPEAKER_02
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Yeah, we are looking to collect names before December 10.
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So within the next week would be great.
SPEAKER_10
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Does anybody that's online today have some names they'd like to give out now or is everybody like to go back and sort that out?
SPEAKER_00
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I have a few names in mind, but I want to check with Dylan before we send in anybody.
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We do really tend to focus with those communities on trying to get outreach through the community centers and the churches and stuff like that.
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And there's a few individuals within the community centers themselves that are very proactive about that.
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And then there's a few other individuals I have in mind.
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But like I said, I'll get with Dylan and we'll get you a list before December 10th.
SPEAKER_02
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All right, well, I will leave my email in the chat and then we'll send you guys some follow up, but this has been incredibly helpful.
SPEAKER_06
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Thank you all so much.
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That's great.
SPEAKER_10
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Thank you all.
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Thank you.
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Is Mr. Barnes with us?
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Where's Chuck filling in?
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Oh, Mr. Barnes, I see you in the bottom there.
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Excellent.
SPEAKER_03
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I am.
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I am actually here on the phone.
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I thought I saw Chuck's name as well here.
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I'm on.
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Maybe not.
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Yeah.
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I'm going.
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I would prefer to Chuck on this one as far as the SMART SCALE side.
SPEAKER_10
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All right.
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Educate us on SMART SCALE.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
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OK.
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We've gone around to all the localities and done presentations through the residencies.
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We're trying to circle back to try to identify which projects you guys want to submit or would you like to work on for next round.
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So we'll be following up probably this week and next week to try to finalize that list.
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I know most of you
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We're still with board changes and stuff like that, you weren't sure.
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CTB meets tomorrow or next week, Monday and Tuesday to vote on the final changes that are going to be made for this round six.
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So that should be an interesting set of meetings.
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They have posted a summary of all the proposed changes with some additional CTB recommendations to their website and those mainly focus on, there were some changes to
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The number of applications, they're looking at a tiered system now instead of just cutting them in half, three, four, and six.
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I think we will all be in tier one, which is three applications.
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So that's probably going to be our cap for this round.
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The other ones are, we'll have to wait and see.
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The HPP changes, they're looking at removing step two, a lot of this stuff.
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We've presented on before, and I know Sandy's presented on most of it before, so there's not a lot of changes.
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They did add an additional high priority for the HPP, because they're gonna let the regional bodies and MPO or the
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For more studies like STARS studies or pipeline studies, if you're gonna submit the whole order as an application, that's gonna be eligible for submission for HPP funding.
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That's something they just added in the last couple of weeks.
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So that's something that's possibly gonna get adopted too.
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So more to come next week once we hear from the CTB what they decide to do.
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That's pretty much all I have.
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I've heard from a few of you.
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Like I said, I'm going to try to follow up with all of the localities over the next two weeks to try to see where they're at with their choices for submissions, and then we'll go from there.
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Any questions?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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No Chuck, if you get a chance as we move on to the next agenda items, could you drop the link to where the most recent recommendations are for consideration in the meeting chat?
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
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Yeah, let me go to it and I'll drop it in the chat.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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All right, thank you so much.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
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Yep.
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Thank you Chuck.
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Oh, one more thing.
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There's also a number of letters that were submitted to the CTB that are also posted on the same website.
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It's on the SMART SCALE within the SMART SCALE portal on their resource page.
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All this information is so that's what I'll post that link so you guys can go get that information.
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And if you want to read some of the responses from a lot of other localities and individuals across the state, that'll be
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Light Reading, if at the least.
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All right, thanks, everyone.
SPEAKER_10
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Thank you, Chuck.
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Mr. Youngblood, I'm looking forward to hearing about the Ralph 151 corridor study.
SPEAKER_08
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Well, greetings.
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How's everybody today?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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Good.
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Well, thank you for presenting right after Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_08
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Do you actually want me to, I've got the slide presentation from the PDF link that you provided in the agenda.
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Do you want me to show that or do you want me to just kind of go through a briefing discussion over the meeting and what the study is?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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Is there a preference from the committee?
SPEAKER_08
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Whatever it is.
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You'll give me the share opportunity I can.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
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You should be able to, is it not letting you?
SPEAKER_08
00:20:48
Let's see here.
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Share the screen.
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There we go.
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All right, so everybody should see the slide presentation.
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It's PDF.
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The link that Curtis sent out is to the VDOT Project Corridor website.
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All of the
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Presentation materials from the second public meeting which we had a few weeks back are there.
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This presentation is a PDF version on there as well that you can
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Look at through your leisure.
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Anybody that knows the 151 corridor recognizes that it's a little unique in the area.
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It's a tourist destination point.
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Wintergreen is there as a four season resort, a number of breweries, wineries, vineyards, you name it.
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There is something for just about everybody down through the corridor.
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This is actually the second study that we've done.
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First study was back in 2013.
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As a result of that study, we had a number of improvements, six 151 intersection, rockfish, we had offset turn lane improvements, we had H-set projects, number of SMART SCALE projects, and the most recent approved project is a new roundabout that's gonna go at the southern end of six and 151 near the Rockfish Valley Community Center.
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This particular corridor and the folks in the community are very vested in their community and they're very concerned about the corridor.
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So back from 2013, we recognize that after a 10-year horizon, we needed to go back and look at the study again.
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We've elected to look at a 14 mile section of the road and that's from basically looking back again at the 6151 in the northern section all the way through the S curves back down past the ski barn in that area.
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So seven intersections being looked at in addition to some other areas of concern.
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The folks that showed up at both meetings, I think we had
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50 or so at the very first meeting.
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I think we had probably close to 80 or 90 at the second meeting.
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They're very verbal, cordial, but very verbal.
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And I'd like to share their viewpoint and so forth.
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So a lot of the issues that they brought up freight movements that are coming through the corridor, just the sheer volume of traffic.
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And as part of that,
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a number of safety intersections that have been identified through PSI and VDOT's traffic data and then of course we're looking at the all modes so it's a multimodal aspect.
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Now Chuck will tell you just like in Culpeper District, Lynchburg District all of our studies we look at a multimodal process whether or not that comes to formation you know as far as for final recommendations and solution sets
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Sometimes it's very viable.
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Sometimes it's not.
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We heard loud and clear that this community is not very interested in bike and pedestrian improvements along the entire corridor, maybe in the Nellie's Fort area.
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And even then it's circumstantial at that, but pretty unique perspective, recognizing that the corridor sees a number of bike uses all the way through the corridor.
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No build operations, as you see, we've looked at each one of the intersections and from a grand scale perspective, there is not really substantial issues from a capacity operations through the corridor.
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Again, most of these are
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Safety-Oriented, however, there are some areas that see capacity and operation issues, and they've all been looked at and recognized.
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And the funny thing is, is we've either had project solutions for those from the 2013 study, or we've got projects that are actually funded that'll be coming up, like I said, is the 6 and 151 for the roundabout location.
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We did go through the crash analysis.
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As you can see, there's no shortfall of crashes along the corridor.
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Matter of fact, even through COVID in those areas through there, these crashes were still pretty substantial and they have actually increased over the years.
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fatal severe injury you know the visible injury non-visible and road departure aspect 212 total accidents speeding is of course one of the major concerns through the area of congestion at certain intersection aggressive driving and in sudden stop rear ends are quite
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valid through the entire corridor.
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And to no surprise, you know, it's a lot of the tourists that come into the area that are not familiar, you know, with a lot of the attractions and so forth are one of the reasons why we see some issues with, you know, rearing collisions being a high aspect.
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And then the speeding really is
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a variety of rational reasons through that.
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It is a scenic corridor and it ties into the Blue Ridge Parkway and skyline.
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So it's a cut through area as well.
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So as far as our review, we're looking at a multitude of different solution sets.
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And this second meeting that we had is basically looking at showcasing those.
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We're doing the survey a little bit differently
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On this particular, normally we'll do a survey ahead of a meeting so we have an idea.
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We're doing the survey on the back end.
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It will be released here, I believe the week of December 7th.
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And we're gonna, what we're trying to do is capture how everybody feels about the solution sets this time.
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So I'm not gonna go into a substantial discussion on each one of these project solutions.
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You guys can go through and look at this, but
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There were a number of roundabouts, Tannenbach, 6151, that were looked at as solution sets.
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This particular intersection at Avon was an H-SIP project back in the 2013-15 timeframe, but we're still seeing issues out there.
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And one is some of the site concerns and just the skewed alignment as a whole.
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and one of the long-term solutions there is to put in a roundabout.
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It is probably, I think, probably one of the more advantageous projects.
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It does slower the speeds down a little bit plus the right-of-way aspect because of the previous construction at that location.
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We've got
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Quite a bit of right of way in that area.
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So really most of the construction would be within the actual road area itself.
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So it's a fairly, I think this is probably one of the better solutions going to come out of the projects that Nelson County may push forward as far as a project.
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Again, the no build, build solution set shows
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Dramatic improvement for the area and capacity and operations.
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So again, it's one of the more viable.
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Tannenbark is another one of those intersections that has had fatalities back over the years.
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There's site distance issues.
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Unique thing about this, no matter what solutions that you put here, it's gonna be a high dollar solution.
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We go through the crash history here.
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We have turn lane improvements, which means you're cutting back a bank and you're doing, you know, additional right away takes, some access management, not a cheap project.
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That's one of two solution sets.
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The second one is a roundabout.
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One of the unique things that we heard is speed through the corridor.
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The Nelson County folks definitely want to see reduction in speed.
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and roundabouts have a unique way of reducing the speed.
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And so surprisingly, very receptive to the roundabouts and the fact that when you look at it in a grand scale, almost could be like a super street type of a project where you're looking at multiple roundabouts through the entire corridor.
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People will get used to those relatively quickly.
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And again, the speed aspect is one of the caveats there that the roundabouts will help assist in dropping.
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Most of the other improvements, again, are at the high PSI intersection or intersections that we've heard either from Nelson County or their citizens that need improvement areas.
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Most of these are going to be turn lane improvements and access management through the entire corridor.
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One of the other things that we heard and that we broadcasted
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Loud and clear is the land use decision making aspect of trying to see better land use decision and I guess really looking at what improvements the developers themselves can push forth.
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VDOT is not a land use decision maker, it is the local government entity.
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So when I say this, this is basically to each one of the local government entities,
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You guys have the power through your board and through your zoning amendment and comprehensive plans to be a little bit more proactive in requiring turn lane improvements where VDOT does not necessarily have that ability.
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We have to work within the confines of our own code.
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and what required through the TIAs based on turning movement ratios and what the volumes are going to be.
00:31:29
Whereas a local government can go in and say, well, if you're going to be putting in this particular type of development, we're going to require turn lanes as part of that process.
00:31:40
It does increase the cost on the front end, but it also provides for a more safe and efficient
00:31:47
corridor.
00:31:48
And it's like I said, it's one of those things that the local government can be a little bit more proactive in their corridor development and the development aspect of new land use decisions that will be coming forth.
00:32:03
One of the recommendations we did and we have made as a part of this study is looking at Nelson County putting a corridor overlay
00:32:12
on the 151 where they have a little bit more teeth in the requirements along the corridor, something that VDOT cannot do, but the local government can.
00:32:21
And that is one methodology by which the local government entity can be a little bit more proactive as doing an overlay district.
00:32:31
The rest of these, again, we go all the way down through the corridor into the S-turns.
00:32:36
And when you look at it from a grand scale standpoint, some of these could
00:32:42
go to HSEP and they could go corridor wide in regards to the improvements.
00:32:49
Other projects will strictly be SMART SCALE by the sheer volume of costs associated.
00:32:55
You're looking at roundabouts being the roundabout at 6 and 151, I think is going to be about a $16 million project.
00:33:05
The corridor
00:33:06
is a little unique in the topography aspect and some of the environmental concerns which raises the cost of the projects when you do have larger scale projects like roundabouts.
00:33:16
So, you know, we try to have a variety of different alternatives through the corridor.
00:33:25
Bike and pedestrian improvements along the corridor are going to be geared more towards the Nellie Short area, which makes sense.
00:33:32
It is a more densely populated area.
00:33:35
There is a master plan here for winter green.
00:33:38
One of the unique things about this area is Nelson County actually went for a UDA type of a concept here.
00:33:46
Of course, that got shot down because people didn't really quite understand
00:33:51
The urban development aspect of it, they already meet the criteria.
00:33:54
It's one of the reasons why they were looking at the study.
00:33:57
Surprisingly, we did not hear anything about this in the second public meeting, but it's still some viability there as far as a growth area to give it a little bit more teeth for future submissions in SMART SCALE 8-SIP.
00:34:13
So with that, I'll stop sharing.
00:34:16
If anybody has any specific questions, I'm happy to provide feedback into that.
00:34:21
And again, you know, anybody that understands the Nellie Shwert area, Sandy does, she worked as the planner there, a very vested and very involved community.
00:34:35
And, you know,
00:34:38
When you look at that, it's a double-edged sword.
00:34:42
One, you have the folks that are very interested in what goes on in the community.
00:34:47
Also, they can be very assisted.
00:34:53
in the process, and they can also be very detrimental.
00:34:56
I have a few folks, Emily knows too.
00:35:00
I get emails from quite a few people on a regular basis daily, and so it becomes a challenge over a period of time.
00:35:07
I don't really experience this anywhere else but Nelson County, and it just goes to show that, again, the people are vested.
00:35:13
They want to see improvements through the area, and they want safety and viability in conjunction with the land use aspect.
00:35:22
So with that, I'll open up for any questions.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:35:26
I do have one question, Rick.
00:35:28
I know that basically the localities have the ability to sort of require higher standards than VDOT can require, but can VDOT advise the counties and the localities on those improvements to be requesting?
SPEAKER_08
00:35:42
Absolutely.
00:35:45
VDOT is here as a technical assistance provider.
00:35:49
So if a local government entity is looking at doing an overlay corridor overlay on a particular corridor, we've got examples.
00:35:59
Campbell County did this a number of years ago on 29.
00:36:02
I just happened to be the planner at the time in Campbell County when that happened.
00:36:06
So it's something near and dear to me.
00:36:09
But yeah, we can definitely help in providing
00:36:12
You know, what those levels could look like for a local government entity to put more requirements on a developer and do internal lane improvements.
00:36:22
And that really that's what it comes down to.
00:36:24
It's a little bit more money into the front end load for the improvements, but recognizing that the ingress-egress is one of those reasons.
00:36:35
while you're doing these and providing a safer environment.
00:36:38
Most developers are gonna understand if people can get in and out of their development safely, they're gonna be more apt to come on a regular basis.
00:36:47
If they find it challenging and unsafe, folks are gonna find someplace else to go.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:36:56
and then I don't know if anybody else has questions but I have one other one that maybe it's a little bit more open-ended and I promise I'm not trying to put anybody on the spot but you know as we're talking about some of the changes to the the major funding programs SMART SCALE where you know there are a lot of intersections we're talking about you know you said super highwayed in a series of roundabouts and those would all work really great if they're all in place but
00:37:19
Do you have any thoughts on maybe sort of the or does anybody have any thoughts on sort of the status and the opportunity to implement some of these like more I guess like comprehensive strategies when the funding programs seem to be so project specific?
SPEAKER_08
00:37:38
You know, there are there are going to be challenges.
00:37:43
You know, I've always told everybody in the Lynchburg District, we kind of treat it as a chess game.
00:37:48
Every round of SMART SCALE, we identify, you know, which entity should submit a particular project in order to maximize the opportunity for funding.
00:37:58
You know, the unique thing, one of the unique components, and I'll put Chuck on the spot to ask him, you know, from a district perspective, one of the things that we've
00:38:09
identified one of the big issues is, you know, bike and pedestrian getting a large chunk of the high priority money, but, you know, they're lower cost projects, so of course they're gonna score well.
00:38:21
Doesn't necessarily mean that the district grant won't be able to fund those projects, but we just have to try to identify the best avenue, you know, to maximize the funding opportunities.
00:38:32
The Ready, Set, Go!
00:38:33
grant,
00:38:34
that is available that Nelson County applied for and got as a part of the UDA study at the Nellie's Ford area can help maximize TAP opportunities.
00:38:46
And of course, there are some match monies associated with that, but we try to identify H-SIP as quickly as we can.
00:38:55
And if the B over C ratio is good,
00:38:57
You know, some of those projects can be funded relatively sooner than later.
00:39:03
So it's really, it's, you know, it's a chess game, but, you know, it will be a little bit more challenging.
00:39:11
I think getting the high priority funding specifically for the rural area, but those opportunities really weren't there before for the rural areas anyway, from the high priority, it's still more urban centric, but, you know, it's just,
00:39:27
One of the parts of the game that we play going through, we just try to maximize all funding streams and not just SMART SCALE.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
00:39:37
I would agree with Rick.
00:39:38
I mean, the biggest thing is we found is a lot of our, even on our bike pet projects, the cost of them has gotten to the point where they can't get enough money in TAP to fund the project.
00:39:53
So they're having to go with revenue share, which
00:39:55
The 50-50 match seems to be more than what some localities can do.
00:39:59
So it's difficult to get a lot of these projects funded.
00:40:04
And now that, like I said, I agree with Rick in that we try to work with the localities and the MPO and the PDC on who might be the best person, folks to try to submit those projects, to get them funded.
00:40:20
And we've been really successful in the past.
00:40:24
So with the changes this time, I think it's not gonna be quite as easy, especially for the rural areas.
00:40:33
Last round we were able to get some more projects funded in the area type D. Now they were in an urban setting like the town of Warrenton and the town of Culpeper, but they were still their area type D project.
00:40:50
From a rural standpoint, they're in that funding group for SMART SCALE.
00:40:56
Yeah, it's been difficult, but similar to what Rick does, we look at all the different funding sources and try to match the funding towards the project, towards the funding.
00:41:06
It's just that most of the projects now are more over costly than what some of those funding applications can support.
SPEAKER_10
00:41:28
Any other questions?
00:41:32
Well, Rick, thank you.
00:41:33
That was very good.
00:41:34
I enjoyed that.
00:41:35
I'm going to bring up something you mentioned later on here.
00:41:39
There we go.
00:41:43
So identification of future topics.
00:41:46
Does anybody have a future topic that they'd like to discuss in upcoming meetings?
00:41:54
Or I will create one.
00:42:01
All right, I have a few ideas.
00:42:04
I think it'd be good to have DDOT give us another update on SMART SCALE on mainly two things, how many projects we'll actually be able to submit and if there's an update to the PSI ranking going into the next year.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
00:42:20
We did get updated PSI data through 2022.
00:42:26
It came out a couple of weeks ago.
00:42:31
I think I forwarded it out to most folks, at least the residency.
00:42:36
So I know Scott has it for you, but I can send it to you, Tom.
00:42:43
I haven't updated individual maps.
00:42:46
I just have the whole district.
00:42:50
But we have that information updated through 2022.
SPEAKER_10
00:42:53
Great.
00:42:56
So again, if there's more updates with VDOT SMART SCALE, I think that'd be good to have on the next agenda.
00:43:02
I picked up when Rick was talking about when you're updating your comprehensive plan, here's a couple of things that locality should take into consideration.
00:43:13
I would also be interested if VDOT, I don't know whether that's Rick or a combination of people, want to give like a five or 10 minute
00:43:20
Shpiel of, you know, these are things localities should try to implement in the transportation section of their comprehensive plan as recommendations and a guiding principle when you're having either rezoning a putt or a conditional use permit.
00:43:34
I mean, if there's a list of four or five, 10 things that they could be interesting for us to all hear it and then have a discussion of what we could add to that.
SPEAKER_08
00:43:45
I mentioned it.
00:43:47
I'll charge.
00:43:48
I'll throw it to Chuck now.
00:43:50
No, I think Chuck, if you want, you and I can get together.
00:43:55
I'll take the lead on that since I brought it up, even though, you know, we only have one county within the area, but the information is beneficial to everybody.
00:44:06
And so, Chuck, if you're okay with that, you and I can touch base maybe early next week and I can put together a little presentation and get your input in as well.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
00:44:19
That sounds good.
SPEAKER_08
00:44:20
Okay, I didn't think you'd have a problem with that.
Chuck Proctor
Member, Rural Transportation Advisory Committee
00:44:22
No, not at all.
SPEAKER_10
00:44:25
Thank you.
00:44:26
And then lastly, I told you I'd come up with ideas and no one else did.
00:44:32
I think it'd be interesting to have maybe at least a 30 minute discussion as a group of what does each city, town, county require for either a zoning conditional use permit or a planning and development?
00:44:46
What do we require to get a complete application to go to the elected and appointed officials?
00:44:53
Is it a transportation
00:44:55
A study, is it a TIA?
00:44:57
Is it none of those things?
00:44:58
Maybe it's an email from VDOT.
00:45:00
They've looked at the concept plan.
00:45:02
Perhaps it's something a little further, more detailed.
00:45:05
What exactly are we as localities accepting as part of applications for the decision makers and staff to make a staff report and then make a decision on that, knowing full well that it'll be the site plan review process where a majority of the engineering is going to be done for VDOT to make a formal comment.
00:45:24
And so I think it's been, we've kind of touched on that and the friends in the last six years that I've been part of this organization, but I think it's maybe good in the new year to touch base on what it is we're all getting and what are we reviewing, if that makes sense.
00:45:41
What do you think, Sandy?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:45:44
Well, I think it's less important what I think versus what the rest of the committee thinks but you know I think maybe to facilitate that our staff could maybe put together like reach either reach out to you all or to look through your ordinances or your requirements and start putting together sort of like a list of how each of the localities does that and sort of discuss what
00:46:06
works what doesn't work.
SPEAKER_10
00:46:08
To save you the time and effort, I think that if we do have that as an agenda item, we should bring that list to you of when do we require traffic impact analysis versus a study and stuff like that.
00:46:19
I don't wanna tax you with...
00:46:21
I think we could bring that to the table.
00:46:23
So with those three ideas, does anybody else in the committee, do you like those three ideas for topic points?
00:46:29
Do you wanna have other ideas?
SPEAKER_00
00:46:34
I don't want to speak for Dylan but I do really like that last topic idea that's something that we've been kind of working on on our own side of things and you know we're going into updating the zoning ordinance and everything and we used to have you know formal site plan review committee meetings before bringing things to planning commission and subsequently the board but over the past several years we haven't held an SPCA meeting in a long time and we're trying to figure out how we want to do things going forward.
SPEAKER_07
00:47:10
And then, Tom, I had a question about similar sentiment.
00:47:15
How do other localities deal with the private drive aisles that we've received bonding for, but it's not enough to actually convert it to full VDOT spec road, how they've dealt with that, because I know we've got several in the queue, and I'm sure that there's others out there that have a similar situation.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:47:36
Wait, okay.
00:47:37
Chris, am I am I understanding correctly?
00:47:39
So you have roads that were bonded that were supposed to be taken into the system, but the bond wasn't high enough to
SPEAKER_07
00:47:49
This 30,000 foot view back when the housing market crashed was 2008-9.
00:47:55
There's projects that got extended out multiple times and now because of that they never built the houses, never got the cash flow to build the VDOT roadways, but we now have
00:48:10
Everything's approved for it to become a state roadway except being built to standard.
00:48:15
Well, it's $240,000 and we've got an $89,000 bond.
00:48:20
So how are we going to fix that funding gap, especially when there may be two, three houses?
00:48:27
And the people who are going to end up benefiting are going to be the developers who if we end up building the road,
00:48:33
and covering that extra cost, well, now they're gonna go ahead and be able to sell the additional lots or build homes on it.
00:48:38
So we're kinda in a rock and hard place where do we give it to the HOA and say, here, we're giving this property back to you and we're gonna give you the money that was bonded for y'all to maintain the roads and y'all do that with what you will or what?
00:48:52
And I don't really know the answer and I know we've talked internally about it, but Tom's idea about asking the other localities brought up a good point.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:49:01
Are other localities experiencing that?
SPEAKER_08
00:49:05
I know in Campbell County, they've had roads where subdivisions were built, but not necessarily the standard.
00:49:13
And I know the Home Members Associations have worked with the county and going after revenue sharing in order to bring the road up to at least some standard.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:49:23
Yeah, I was at Campbell County when they did that, too, right?
SPEAKER_08
00:49:28
Well, you know.
00:49:30
You're dating us, Sandy.
00:49:32
You're telling everybody we've been working together for a long time.
00:49:38
And that's proven effective.
00:49:40
There are subdivisions that already have the homes being built.
00:49:44
They just weren't built at that time to a standard.
00:49:48
And so it is one part of a process.
SPEAKER_13
00:49:58
Hey Sandy, this is Jason.
00:50:00
So we do have a similar issue.
00:50:02
At least Chris, you guys and Louisa have bond money.
00:50:06
We have several roads we've identified that were supposed to have been built and taken into the secondary system.
00:50:11
And for whatever reason, we're not, the bonds were released and nobody seems to know why.
00:50:16
Some as recent as the last 10 years.
00:50:21
So it is an issue.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:50:24
Well, maybe we can look into
00:50:26
into providing some information and facilitating a discussion on that.
00:50:31
I don't know if we can do that by the next meeting, but we'll keep it on the radar.
SPEAKER_08
00:50:34
Yeah, and we may have to get some residency folks involved with that too, because they're the ones that typically deal with those issues.
SPEAKER_10
00:50:44
Vandy, I know it was light on ideas in the last meeting, so I've got you four now.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:50:52
It's all good.
00:50:53
It sounds like it's going to be the Rick and Chuck show at the next meeting.
SPEAKER_10
00:50:59
It's a good show.
00:51:00
Yeah.
SPEAKER_08
00:51:02
I'll go ahead.
00:51:04
Just as a curiosity, and it's probably a later agenda item, just December or January?
00:51:11
Probably January, February, right, Sandy?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:51:13
The next meeting?
00:51:15
The next meeting would be in January.
SPEAKER_08
00:51:17
OK. Yeah.
00:51:18
Yeah.
00:51:19
If it's December, I wouldn't be there.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:51:21
Fair.
SPEAKER_10
00:51:24
Thanks, Rick.
SPEAKER_06
00:51:25
Well, I'll go ahead and kick off roundtable.
SPEAKER_10
00:51:29
For Louisa County, if you're driving along 64 and happen to take the Shannon Hill exit, you'll start to see our Shannon Hill Regional Business Park water tower coming out of the ground.
00:51:38
So that's really exciting.
00:51:42
The Board of Supervisors has approved a short-term rental regulation, which will go into effect in January.
00:51:48
If your locality is dealing with that as well, feel free to reach out.
00:51:52
We'll give you any information we have.
00:51:54
Hampton Inn, I've just been informed, will be opening at Zion's Crossroads in January 2024, so that's exciting.
00:52:01
That's our first major hotel chain, at least in the six years that I've been here, that's going to be opening in Louisa County, and that's near the Diamond Interchange.
00:52:12
and the Amazon Data Centers which we will have two campuses in Louisa County.
00:52:18
One of those campuses is in my office under review and that should start hopefully clearing land in the first part of next year and start construction later.
00:52:28
and I am happy to announce that I've gotten some phone calls from contractors.
00:52:35
It sounds like my SMART SCALE project at 522 and 208, the Gateway to the Lake, that roundabout will start construction next year.
00:52:44
So I'm looking forward to that as I take that interchange off and then go up to Northern Virginia.
00:52:50
So lots of things happening in Louisa County and I will turn the floor over to somebody else.
SPEAKER_00
00:52:59
I don't know what Dylan's been keeping y'all up on but in Nelson we obviously have our huge comprehensive plan update that's been what a lot of things have been revolving around lately.
00:53:10
We're hoping that we get that to public hearing.
00:53:13
I think we've just set some dates in like January and February of next year for it to go to public hearing and then after that is when we plan to tackle the zoning ordinance and we're still not sure exactly how we're going to do that but I'm excited about it anyway.
00:53:27
We've also got our first utility scale solar project coming to apply.
00:53:37
They haven't formally applied yet, but they did go to our Board of Supervisors hearing this past month just to introduce themselves and the project they're looking at doing.
00:53:45
So that'll be interesting as well because we just adopted our solar ordinance a couple years ago and this will be the first time that we're actually utilizing it.
SPEAKER_10
00:53:58
Excellent.
00:53:58
Thank you, Emily.
00:53:59
If you have any questions about solar, feel free to reach out.
SPEAKER_13
00:54:05
That's Jason with Fluvanna.
00:54:07
Just one quick thing, transportation related.
00:54:09
David might want to mention something about this.
00:54:12
The realignment of bike route 76 was approved through Palmyra.
00:54:17
He just contacted us this morning to let us know.
00:54:20
So it's very exciting.
00:54:21
Our transportation improvement
00:54:25
Grant is apparently on hold.
00:54:27
I've been told that's correct, Mr. Barnes.
00:54:31
That's about it transportation-wise.
SPEAKER_04
00:54:41
For Albemarle,
00:54:42
Not many, many updates on different projects and processes right now.
00:54:49
Jessica's working a lot of CIP funding stuff, which sounds very complicated from whatever I hear in those meetings about money being moved around.
00:54:58
Yeah.
00:55:00
Just keep keep grinding on the current projects, like Route 20 and 3% is still just moving forward through the process.
SPEAKER_12
00:55:12
Thank you.
SPEAKER_10
00:55:15
Jim, what you got going on in Greene?
SPEAKER_05
00:55:19
Transportation wise, a lot of things in different stages.
00:55:25
We have a lot of formerly approved, recently adjusted plans for residential and commercial development.
00:55:36
And those are starting to
00:55:39
get approved and the grading and earthwork is starting and those kind of facilitate or give us the opportunity for further connections.
00:55:51
We have a proposal that may come to the board early next year for PUD commercial mix development that would help create a parallel road network along Route 29 that's been in our
00:56:06
plans for probably almost 15 years.
00:56:09
We've got parts of parallel road interconnecting being built out along with other PUDs at the Sheets intersection.
00:56:19
So we've got a lot of good things that are happening and exciting things that should make improvements and help the traffic flow when the rest of the commercial and residential gets built.
SPEAKER_10
00:56:38
Thank you, Jim.
00:56:42
Does anybody else want to give an update?
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:56:46
Curtis, do you want to, wait, did Curtis leave?
SPEAKER_10
00:56:50
No, I'm here.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:56:52
Curtis, did you want to share just the upcoming meetings for Safe Streets and Rides for All?
SPEAKER_11
00:56:56
I thought he was next to you.
00:56:59
Yeah, my connection did drop earlier, but I'm still here.
00:57:02
So for State Streets and Roads for All, we do have the stakeholder working group meeting, which several of you will be attending.
00:57:11
So I'll see some of you later this month.
00:57:13
And that is on December 14th, which is a Thursday.
00:57:18
So I'll see you there.
00:57:19
And we also have the regional safety summit scheduled for January 10th.
00:57:27
Those are the only things I have for Safe Streets currently.
SPEAKER_03
00:57:32
I have a good and happy announcement for myself.
00:57:42
I'm actually taking a new job.
00:57:44
I've been working with Albemarle County as the Director of Planning for the county starting
00:57:50
next month, or actually January.
00:57:52
So I'll be working with many of you all, but just in a different capacity.
00:57:55
So I look forward to that new role.
00:57:57
And for those of you I won't get a chance much to work with, I look forward to trying to maintain my contacts with you guys and Fluvanna and Greene and Louisa.
00:58:08
Thank you.
SPEAKER_10
00:58:09
Congratulations.
SPEAKER_04
00:58:11
Thank you.
00:58:11
Looking forward to seeing you here, Michael.
00:58:14
Cheers.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:58:16
Are you abdicating your position, Alberic?
00:58:20
Oh, on the committee.
00:58:22
You're talking about Albemarle, not on the committee.
SPEAKER_04
00:58:24
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:25
I'm not the director right now.
00:58:26
It'd be kind of a fun job for me though, I guess.
Sandy Shackelford
Director of Planning and Transportation
00:58:29
I'm in on this committee.
SPEAKER_04
00:58:30
I'm like, whoa, am I director without knowing?
SPEAKER_10
00:58:32
Anybody else like to add on?
00:58:44
All right.
00:58:45
Well, Sandy, any housekeeping items before I motion for adjournment?
00:58:51
All right, well, I motion to adjourn.
00:58:53
Can I get a second?
00:58:57
Second.
00:58:58
Second.
00:58:58
All those in favor, say aye.
00:59:00
Aye.
00:59:00
All opposed?
00:59:02
Everybody have a wonderful holiday, and I will see you next year.
00:59:06
You too, Tom.
00:59:07
Bye, everyone.
SPEAKER_08
00:59:07
Thank you all.