Rural Transportation Advisory Committee Meeting   9/21/2021

Do we want to make any changes to it before we vote with proven?

That's in the next, that's in the last sentence, but I just think it kind of comes across as working with the rural peeping, a little confusing.

So change the word this to the Virginia Byway, is that?

Worked with Greene County on Route 810 for a Virginia byway designation recommended by DCR and VDOT.

I agree.

OK. And then keep the last sentence?

Yeah, that's useful information.

OK. Got it.

Someone's going to give us a presentation or remote participation, I hear.

Was that me or you Lucinda?

That was you.

Any questions?

That is for the city of Charlottesville state of emergency status.

Since the TJPDC offices are located in the city, we are able to operate under their locally adopted ceremony.

So it was extended because I thought this meeting was gonna be in person, correct?

I don't think they've extended it past October 18th at this point.

Okay, just catching up on it.

Jim, do you want to remind us what we're discussing today about subdivision and private streets?

But that was all I'm thinking.

submitted and approved by your office prior to signing off on the flat?

As long as it's an agreed upon standard that meets that criteria, we check off the list.

Or you pretty much paved everything there is to pave?

So.

Linda's ours, sort of similar to what you're hearing so far.

requires road maintenance language on the plats and in the road maintenance agreement that they are private roads, no school bus postal service won't be maintained or upgraded by the state or county, but everything else is built to state standards.

So that's something that if you are going to have that kind of policy where you can request for a private road, you got to tell the applicant up front of the cost is going to be at the tail end of it.

Hire the third party engineer or we have on call engineers and then we put it out which amongst that that list that we have and but the developers responsible for those fees for the reviews and then the inspections during construction.

Are any of those county owned roads that are maintained by VDOT or do they all get accepted into the state system?

Are you talking about the the ones that are requested to be private or I don't believe we have any county or we just have state roads or private roads essentially?

The county does own roads that VDOT just maintains them.

Chuck, you're on.

We just basically maintain it for the county.

Interesting.

Does anyone require them to upgrade that road all the way back to the state entrance or just on their piece of land that the right-of-way crosses, if that makes sense?

Those are just easements, access easements across property.

So if there's only a 30 foot access and it crosses multiple properties that the subdivider does not own, we're requiring them to upgrade, secure the upgraded right-of-way width all through those other properties all the way back to the state public road.

Are you, is that actually codified in your ordinance that's required or is that more of a policy from the board?

But I was just curious if anyone else did that on a local level.

At a Wolf and how to handle those right at the moment ourselves.

Well, you definitely keep us updated because I think that's exactly what we're dealing with.

You as well.

You as well.

Fluvanna, how are you doing over there?

And so we do have some gray areas, I think what Nelson and Louisa has shown, but ours sounds like pretty similar to Nelson and Louisa's type requirements.

I feel much better knowing that there's several people on this boat.

Our military people are moving the area that you know lived in another state where you know things were taken care of so I think it's just we do a lot of notes on our plats with our surveyors to indicate you know right away it's deed restricted and or it's on the plat to know at closing that you're not taking care of like the county's not taking care of the road but we do everything we can to help them up to that point so

Do y'all know if that's a mandatory disclosure statement for real estate transactions?

But as far as it being mandated, I'd have to defer to Chuck or some others on that.

Sandy, in my experience, you're saying road maintenance agreement, is it mandated?

Or if it's a required disclosure when somebody goes to close it, but there's some sort of disclosure that it's a privately maintained road.

So I don't think it's mandated by code anywhere necessarily, not in Virginia, but it's becoming mandated by the banking industry.

Yeah, I have heard that recently.

So that's a good point.

Jim, I think you got more than your bargained for in your topic of conversation today.

So I'll blame Dylan.

So part of it was asking for recommendations for our zoning and subdivision ordinances too.

So it's a roundabout way to get to the same point that's written in our ordinance, but it's not as direct as what you were asking.

then they've got to, or they have to establish an agreement if there's not one already.

Correct.

Okay, I got you.

Does anybody have more questions on the subject for the group?

If, you know, within a development, within road plans, where it would be acceptable for potential speed bumps or anything of that sort that could help alleviate speeding concerns down the road for future transportation planners.

How about

I didn't hear what Chuck said.

The developer could.

Yeah, well, many roundabouts will do the same thing, so and they can be done with almost within the intersection.

So yeah, I agree with you, Chuck.

How does that fit in with the other planning?

I think it's time for us to close the discussion.

You don't have a mini and you don't have to do a J-turn.

So, all righty, well, do we know what we want for our next subject, for next meeting?

Roundabouts.

I just did one for CTAS like, what, last week?

It was very well received, so you might as well get some more mileage out of it.

I'm not a threat for saying this, but I actually wouldn't mind having

And roundabouts are not just an urban thing anymore.

I was just about to say rural roundabouts.

Right.

Yes, we want a rural roundabout.

Sure.

And Chuck, you could even talk about that fancy bow tie thing that was talked about in the Zion Proctor Plan.

Yeah, we can throw that out there.

I knew I was going to regret this.

What was that, Sandy?

I'm just curious at what stage we should be for the next round.

So I would, I don't think too much SMART SCALE will be a problem in meetings going forward.

four applications prior to the March opening of the SMART portal.

So.

However, we can make it a VDS hospital for you all.

Thank you, Sandy.

I look forward to scoring very, very highly and out competing all of the urban areas.

Are you proposing nothing but roundabouts?

I have my doubt.

So I think it just probably by the next meeting, I may have no news or some news that we'll see then.

I already gave you guys my big update.

There you go.

Absolutely.

No big updates from Greene, just usual every day keeping the ball rolling and trying to get to the important stuff that never seems to have enough time.

John Michael, if you want to go?

Thank you.

That's us from Fluvanna, thanks.

Thank you.

So that's basically the month in a review.

And then, Lucinda, you should probably get some transit updates, right?

Then there'll be more public engagement to review the suggested alternatives.

I think we have two applications considering, I don't know if there's another county involved with that either.

We'll consider it if you let us borrow some money.

So I think we're still trying to see what that looks like.

Sorry.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Yeah, we had a meeting yesterday actually on it to talk about the Crozet project.

Chuck, heads up, you or Mark or John might be invited to a work session in the planning commission in the coming months to go over how VDOT plans on reviewing said projects.

Solar projects?

Yes.

Marshall's probably a better person, but we've we've had a lot of them over in the district over the.

The reason I bring it up is if no one has really any experience with it yet, if I end up actually giving this work session to the Planning Commission, I'd be happy to bring that topic to our forum at a future meeting.

So we have the same kind of thing going on and actually we were considering and maybe in December or January doing some type of most likely January at the organizational meeting for the planning commission doing a work session as well.

If you don't mind keeping me in the loop, I'll keep you in the loop.

There you go.

Sandy, is there anything you wanna discuss before we start to adjourn the meeting?

So just wanted to make sure that was all on your radar.

Chuck, anything you want to add before we adjourn?

But like I said, we'll follow up with you guys as we get more information on that.

Hey Chuck, would the federal infrastructure money potentially impact the amount of projects that would get funded through SMART SCALE?

Good question.

So time they get all the guidance and stuff worked out once it's approved.

So unless someone's got something to add, I'll motion to adjourn.

I'll second.

We'll see you in person next time.

Thank you.

Thanks, everyone.