MPO Policy Board Meeting   12/17/2025

Can you hear me?

Good seeing you.

Let me make you a co-host.

Hello.

Okay.

I see Sean.

I'm here, but I'm about four minutes from getting home to my computer.

No worries.

I had to leave work just a little late.

I think, Sarah, you're knowing that for us?

Yes.

means by which the meeting was held.

If everyone could just unmute your mics to be ready for the roll call.

Supervisor Galloway.

Present.

Supervisor Oschrin.

Here.

Supervisor Pinkston.

Here.

Miss Stacy Londrey.

Go ahead, Sarah.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Sorry about that.

Yep, she's in.

Do we do the roll call for everyone or just the policy, but the voting members?

Victor Williams.

Move for adoption of the agenda.

Second.

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Are there any changes or edits that need to be made to those minutes?

If no changes, I move adoption of the October 22nd, 2025 minutes.

Second.

Aye.

Aye.

So if there is a motion to approve that dissolution,

Second.

And with that, I will hand it over to you, Stacy, and we'll get underway.

How does that look?

You've got a full screen.

Any questions on process?

All right, don't see any hands up, so I think we're good to go.

These are the total collections on each one.

Thank you.

But yes, I can absolutely send, there's an email list you can get added to it to hear about those announcements as they come out.

Okay.

I mean, it seems like.

Yeah, let me see.

I'm not sure when that one was enacted.

Thank you.

Sure.

I think we're set.

All right, revenue questions before I move on.

I think we're good.

This is your wheelhouse more than mine.

That's the big thing here.

So what questions can I answer now?

Ann, yes.

Thank you.

But that is, like we talked about it, it is a big driver and would make a big difference if it was changed.

Yep, thank you very much.

Did I hear you correctly that it was in 2002 where the maintenance fund didn't cover the costs?

Yes.

I don't know.

There was, the one year was COVID related that we were able, we did not need to

So nobody was drowning.

The maintenance needs continue to grow.

So they got to be picking up something in that from electric cars and it doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Well there's also just cars are heavier and keep getting heavier both in terms of like the electric car batteries business but also you know trucks are just inflating in size and that does more wear and tear also which increases maintenance so like other countries have imposed you know weight restriction fees or where it's not fuel based but weight based

Ann, I'm sorry to get your hand up.

Are there other questions from anyone?

I'm not seeing all the hands, so if you have a hand up.

I don't see anybody.

Chair Galloway, I have a question, if I may.

Yes, please.

And how are they similar or different?

Thank you.

And Stacy you said you do have that kind of gap info from that maintenance fund from O2?

I definitely have it for recent years and I know VDOT has it so I can provide that too.

There may be follow-up questions as I digest this, because this was a lot, frankly, but the flowcharts are really helpful.

It's a lot, but I will say these links, they provide great information, so it's a good resource that you can save and share with others.

How do we use the better information or our better understanding to help us accomplish more with the limited funds that are available?

And I think Sandy's going to talk about a little bit of that in our next presentation, but I truly believe we need to have some type of workshop or work session with the localities to really come down, roll our sleeves up and let's talk about what is the vision for the region as a whole.

Thank you again, Stacy.

So this is the same slide just showing a map and Chuck, I'll go ahead and turn it over to you to talk through the improvements that are being considered.

Can I ask a quick question about the last one?

I was a kid when that changed.

I don't know.

East Market was eastbound and Water Street was westbound.

Okay.

And it worked great.

Yeah, I remember it being a big deal when that changed.

But that's the application that they're looking at submitting.

We got a hand up from Mitch.

Yes.

For the intersection at number five, are you considering instituting like a pedestrian bicycle scramble signal or just vehicle scram, or just vehicle signals?

I can't, it's hard to explain it but once you see the final version it'll make sense because we had a lot of discussions about that but this was the version that was submitted for public outreach and after we got public comments we reviewed it and discussed it and we made some changes to it and that's the version we're going to be submitting to the public in January.

Okay I guess my only question follow-up would be for consideration is so if someone is trying to get from West Main Street to South Street West they would have to wait potentially what is it three cycles to cross those pedestrian christenings or am I not visioning that right?

So you're gonna follow the same route the pedestrians will take.

I think at that point, as someone who bikes there, I would just be in the car lane and cross on South and go to South Street instead of going boop to boop to boop.

So you can't go straight across the intersection.

No, I would get in the car lane as a biker to when the signal turned for cars to go.

So the vehicles are going eastbound and the bike lane is going westbound on South Street.

Ann, you're muted.

I thought you just said Water Street was westbound, which there'd be no problem here.

If you're on South Street, you can't go straight across.

Well, you would just be in the car lane instead of the bike lane.

The car lane is contraflow.

The car lane goes eastbound.

Take the crosswalk over to South Street.

Yes, and I'm saying if I was coming from West Main going eastbound and wanted to get onto South Street and I'm riding my bike, I would just get my bike into the car lane and move with it.

You can share the road, yes.

Go straight on, yeah.

You can go share the road, but from the bike, from the cycle track, you can't do that.

And it's not, a lot of people aren't going to like doing that and then be frustrated with it.

So it would have significantly impacted operations at the intersection.

So that scramble was too much of a delay.

We couldn't do it.

For the cars.

And you would get a negative score in your operations benefit.

Is that something that is not included in the, like we can submit the application for SMART SCALE for this and then internally the city can change the signal timing at any point it wants later to allow for a scratch?

And right now it's not very good.

You mean it would be bad in terms of cars would have to wait longer?

Jason?

Yeah, the Water Street cycle track, is that both ways or just westbound?

So we're going to do from Bennington Road to the interchange, basically.

Ann, do you have a question here?

And I'm just tearing my hair out here.

Geometrically, you could make it work.

And so is the portable bolt-down sections that Alan Sonder talked about 10 years ago, we're going to use it somewhere else on Hillsdale, but can't we get something like that out here to speed this process along and save 10 million bucks?

Sure.

Thanks.

And then keep pursuing this larger investment thing as well, right?

So.

All right, Chuck, we just got to be mindful of time.

All right.

Quick question, when you say lesser alternative, you mean it's just been kind of downsized?

The sidewalk is there, but we're going to improve the crosswalks and the ramp connections to meet ADA requirements.

Okay.

So this will be a way to accommodate that traffic that's currently doing this movement anyway.