MPO Policy Board Meeting   10/22/2025

What can I get off of her for a long time?

He's nervous.

He must have been.

Alright everyone, it's 4.30.

Here.

Jacobs.

Mr. Cohen.

Mr. Daniel Koenig Mr. Huberts Mr. Wilson

Mr. Murphy, Ms.

Medley, Mr. Williams, Mr. Espy's here on behalf of networking.

John, present virtual height.

I say Mr. Mitch Hubert's learning tool.

Yeah, that's on for this one.

We have new resolutions for you all to sign as well.

Can we do all or do we want to do each resolution separately?

So you don't have to vote on those.

Is there a third action?

We're just bringing it to you in the draft right now to get everyone's feedback, but we're continuing work with our older efficient staff and also Kat confirmed up this draft to be final.

That was it.

I'm happy because now we have smart scale, which may take more than five minutes.

Is this where I say I'll try to get us back on schedule?

Sure.

I guess a clarification.

You talked about earlier several slides, page 31,

So that is one of the things that we need to know fairly soon if you want to move forward with an application for those interchange ramps so that we can start preparing that report.

The ramps that were approved as part of the requirement for the, that were collected as a preferred alternative.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Yeah.

The, you said you stated for anything that was a pipeline study, whether it's state initiated or local initiated, I'm assuming?

Yes, it still has to be on a corridor statewide significance or regional network.

You have to submit for all the elements of that?

To be eligible for the high priority program funding.

You can still submit any element of that as one that needs to be translated through the district grant program.

But it goes as another count.

But what's that?

It goes as another count.

Now, if any of the elements individually makes one of these other features to be eligible for the high-priority program, that can be submitted independently.

that successfully got approved as an application with all the elements.

That was a relatively low cost improvement for that.

Chokwah ain't laughing.

The rest of it was other studies.

It's almost as if the state's requiring us to submit the big project just to delay us to be able to get to the piecemeal ones and give us a whole other cycle before we can get to them.

Let me see if I can clarify that part a little bit.

So let me see if I can explain this a little bit better.

No, no.

So you can submit just a ramp improvement.

I don't have to submit the whole project.

But because those were all of the preferred alternatives that were identified through that pipeline study, they could be submitted and qualified for high priority program funding as part of that package.

Well, I understand what you said.

Okay.

Whether it clarifies it by people

But they were still eligible to submit the others, just the smaller portion, which was the interchange.

I guess my frustration is 10 years ago, 117, we had 118, we had the whole project.

We were told it was too big.

No, I understand.

and or the weighting system and or you said something else there that wasn't a high priority project.

So that's going to basically be the rules for next round of smart scale.

I mean, nothing could change.

Well, not for the next round.

We couldn't submit applications if they wanted to Dicker with the program next round.

When did it get did we ever been informed or educated on how that works at the state level, how they decide what goes to what district and then how the funding plays out from there before applications are even looked at.

I don't know that that's been presented to the MPOs other than Navy, potentially, when SmartScale was first developed.

And then there was also the change that happened around, I don't know, I don't know what year, Chuck, the supplemental DGP, 20... That was implemented in 2020.

HB2 was passed in 2015.

I want to be able to see it

The second one split it into two programs because of the pushback from the rural localities to make sure that they were represented well in the process.

Okay.

Anything else?

I'll leave that for another time because that's not VDOT's issue.

Sure.

to the Commonwealth Transportation Board and seek a change in the area type for the rural portions of the planning district so that it goes from area type C to area type D, which will then impact the weighting of the categories and how our projects are scored.

So, but I also thought that on this diagram that said that the hatched areas were where there were MPO and funding districts.

So does that, how, how, my question is how do all the, and this is beyond our scope, but how do all those areas in light blue get projects?

So all the areas in light blue are D. Any other questions?

All right.

Yeah, did you have a question?

Do you guys do that level of analysis?

So you want to know, just so I'm clear, you want to know what the average cost was of all the projects?

I get what this is telling me, but I also want some more information about all applications to understand why the ones that got approved got approved, not just by the reason why the ones that got approved got approved.

OK.

Yeah.

That would be really good.

Oh, I think so.

All projects, what they scored, where the threshold was, what was awarded, what was the local match, each of these projects.

Is somebody online trying to speak or you got your mic unmuted?

Sorry, I'm unmuted.

All right, go ahead.

Project Descriptions.

Jumping my growth is all here.

One clarification.

We haven't collected an alternative yet.

What was the whole project?

Oh, the entire corridor project was a roundabout at Georgetown.

What was the V-Tran priorities?

Oh, it's for the individual elements.

It's where each element gets a B-trans priority.

What would the VTRANS need for that whole section?

Because if that's the case, then I don't, my question doesn't make sense anymore.

And so you just have to meet one of them to be eligible for smart scale.

So when we submitted the Barracks Road projects the last time, did the whole project have a VTRAN priority score or did each element of it have a VTRAN?

So this could be one, this could be three.

Okay.

And then the ramp extension would be extended

addressing all of the needs at the intersection from a pedestrian standpoint, as well as the capacity of the left turn lane or the ramp.

Thank you.

There is no sidewalk.

I'm looking at Chucks.

So where are they supposed to go?

We have a crosswalk right here.

We would build that as a shared use path as opposed to a sidewalk, that portion of it anyway.

Any other questions?

We can again, go back and look through theirs.

Any other questions?

I think at this point, we're thinking that that might need to hold off to you all if you want to say anything about the process that you're anticipating for making the decision.

And so we recommended delaying this until your December meeting just to give more time to follow up with the questions that you all have and work more with local staff as well.

None versus hundreds of kilometers.

Councilor Archer.

I think there would need to be a little bit of a widening there, but do you want to speak to that?

Right now, you have a left and a right, and we will be adding the left turn lane, the additional left turn lane.

you know it gets it out of the main line or the main through lines but at the end of the day it's just going to be okay so in five years and we'll have what we have now just with a longer plan and it'll cost us millions of dollars to do that so that's that's and the fundamental problem is how the state funds transportation i'm going to get to this meeting without saying well i think we're so close to being on the head with what you're talking about where you just keep adding capacity for cars you're reducing demand and you don't solve anything

It's a people getting through place to place problem.

But to get to your solution, it's going to take a long time of figuring out how to move the cars in the meantime.

close to where they're going, then these choke points exist.

And we have, and I don't know why the backup is now all of a sudden, it's, well, I do know why, but we've got backups occurring all of a sudden and going on 29, trying to turn and head up north on 20, which baffles me because when you look north of, you look north of Angus, it's all clear.

The lights still out.

So, I mean.

Well, and we are studying that as part of the current.

So, I mean, you know, you know,

I hear what you're saying.

You guys?

I think you should understand that we also feel frustrated.

Well, I hope you get an avenue to voice that to the people that make the day of decisions on the funding because you're being put in a terrible situation because you're the ones, like us, you're the ones that get the brunt of it from the users.

I mean, yes, we're seeing this off peak, but it's primarily a PMP.

What's the traffic?

Yes.

Oh, it's a no.

I've sat at it for half an hour.

at all, it's all parking lot.

Impossible.

So maybe that's what I'm getting at.

We should focus on that.

I understand.

Well, we want to support you however we can.

I believe that.

Thank you.

And then we need to come back to December to the technical committee and the policy board to get consensus on which ones you want to move forward with, prioritizing for four applications for the MPA.

So that decision you're wanting us to make it on December?

Yes.

Because our meeting's either going to be 10, 12-10, or 12-17, depending on what we decide.

No, when we open you guys, we have a list of stuff that we're, that's the local level that we've been talking to these guys about.

We're working through the final design, preferred design for that and we would take that to a non-sole once we're done with that.

So it sounds like all that will happen before the December.

Yeah, because oftentimes in your local meeting, that will include information on what the NPO projects are considering.

I don't know how the city could react to some of this.

Or do we want to say we're not willing to submit those?

Thank you, Sandy.

And we didn't catch up on time, so generally not our goal.

So I don't know if Ann or Natalie, you guys got anything else that you feel like you need in order to make that decision?

So I think getting a better idea of if they think they can be useful or not.

We've got to have them committed.

I don't want to surprise them with a decision that they make.

Because I feel like I know I have a pretty good... She's an MPO.

And then the chair is accompanied by the city.

It's virtual, so that should help.

Well, let me pick on that.

Taylor, are you going to talk us through that?

getting a signature agreeing that we will sunset at any center.

We'll never be so happy with concepts of what it's moving to.

This does come before the TJPC Commission since it was community staffed by the Commission to sign the official letter which will then be distributed to all the members.

It had a transit piece in there, but it felt like that I'm like, well, this seems outdated.

Yeah, that's the data updates.

I don't know that it does exist or not because it seemed like what I was looking at here didn't seem to jive with what I expect is the most of the data information related to transit.

Yes.

That's a, yeah, the US 29 high-frequency service.

And so even the hardest we buy the board, the voting members on RTP are the same voting members.

Doc's still in that one, or?

I guess you guys are going to load the slides at your end.

Yeah.

I tried to load it before and it wouldn't let me do it.

You would like us to share them, Chuck?

It'd probably be easier.

And then can you advance furniture?

We're going to look at how can we more efficiently get it funded.

Can I ask a quick question about this one?

Sure.

Were most of them around that afferent that you just mentioned or were they all along the corridor?

Because that one's a pretty, has a pretty... Yeah, that was kind of where I was going with the question is, this includes that intersection.

If they're all at that intersection, then this project is bigger than just dealing with that intersection.

I think we can go on, yep.

There's one of them, a star study.

Questions?

So who are the stakeholders?

a month or so ago, and I told them I'd come back once we had some more information.

Isn't this a job for some tech to be stakeholders?

So on the consideration list, is this a true BRT in its own lane?

So we'd probably be considering some in the near term, more like high frequency transit or Express Bus or something like that.

Thank you very much.

We're going to have another follow-up meeting with the stakeholders group, with the transit folks there, so we can make sure we're addressing some of their concerns and the questions that people might have about it.

Great, any other questions?

So Michael Baker is looking at densities in the future that says it's not feasible?

They looked at preliminary densities in the future, and they said it didn't look like it was going to be feasible in the future, in the next near-term future, long-term future maybe.

What's the horizon for the project, the study horizon?

All right.

Yeah.

Without an alternative for the traffic that uses 29.

I'm just saying that the crystal ball, you know.

So I want to make sure we're balancing.

I don't want some density analysis from now completely ruling out some option that actually might be a feasibility maybe 10 years from now.

um we just didn't want to make we wanted to make sure we were going to do our due diligence to try to make sure that we're not going to do anything that's going to impede that in the future okay any other questions all right thank you so 7a safe streets and roads for all update going doing that one

I'll take that one too.

We're at 783.

And so we're just cleaning up these last couple of things and waiting on final approval for that project.

But I mean, would it even have been feasible to do that?

And that's an 80-20 match from 80% federal, 20% local.

Great.

Next is Campo and SAA-MPO.

I appreciate it.

And then Ray's bill debrief.

I just wanted to give you all that I believe.

It's encouraging though that all the other categories

We should just keep applying until her name goes strung out of the hat, perhaps.

Yeah, persistence pays off.

And in pedestrians only.

because we've basically done it in that bridge as opposed to something lighter in the area.

Rose?

I assume there's a website that explains the eight criteria.

The ones that we were evaluated against, their notice of funding opportunity is a PDF document and it outlines what each of those criteria is.

Could you send that?

You may have sent it out fast.

Great, thank you.

Did you already send out all the presentation links from the joint interview?

So they were all listed on our website, but I can send them back around again.

And then the travel demand management study.

And so we hope to have a more sustained update with your data.

And the options are the 10th, Wednesday the 10th, or Wednesday the 17th.

Our 17th meeting has moved to the 10th, as far as I understand.

So we don't have the 17th?

I'm canceling that, okay.

The city's on a different calendar and us doing those dates appeal to you.

We've got nothing on the 10th or the 17th.

So the 17th would be Albemarle's preference.

And did I hear that you all wanted that to be a virtual meeting as well?

I think a December virtual is just... Yeah.

Interesting.

We've moved this meeting to Fort Bird.

Yes.

But obviously we need to know the start time, but I think that's fine.

And then in the December meeting, we can bring a calendar year schedule of meetings at that new four o'clock time, confirm that all the dates work, and then we can send out calendar polls for the next calendar year.

And hopefully we will not change our voting for this.

I see your name.

So you'll hear more and then you'll hear more about what's happening at John from him.

I don't see the whole list up there.

Is there?

Yes.

I can give a brief update for DRP too.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Stacey, do you have anything to add?

which means they'll do the bid letting in the February time frame for spring construction.

Awesome.

Thank you.

A counselor got to stay out and enjoy the rain for a very long time that day.

We were the last people on the trail.

So that's sort of an internal

Because when things have happened in the past, often you don't find a notice until you're stuck.

I just drove through the new thing, Roby Avenue, onto the park and then up onto the bike.

It's my favorite route.

And there was great confusion the other night from the meeting, because people were like, wait a minute, you're supposed to stop.

It was so far, but I would love to share that.

Thanks for that feedback.

So I'll head over there probably in the next day or two.

Great, thanks.

I'm so many in for Tanya, and I forgot what I needed to do.

We were right on the same?

I would just build on, oh, and we thought that our conference had planned last week, so.

I think we're at the level of partnership with that kind of coordination.

I know Sean mentioned that, that there's going to be a lot of construction over the next year, so there needs to be some thought about that.

Get in there, put it in a circle, maybe we can do it better.

That's right.

Christine, anything you'd like to add?

There may be a location change if, in fact, the renovations are not completed in time.

I think the idea is it will be done in January before we even get ramped up.

and you guys are well practicing the rules.

Mr. Krebs.

Any others?

Thank you everyone.

Thank you.