Citizens Transportation Advisory Committee (2013-2026) Meeting   3/19/2025

Yeah, you can go ahead and call the meeting to order and then I'll call attendance.

Do you call attendance or do you?

Sandy, that's why.

I know you called this time, and I'll call next time.

Yeah.

That's some names I pronounced wrong.

OK, so we have Sarah Medley.

Here.

Donna Chen.

Here.

Stuart Gardner.

Yes.

Patrick Healy.

Here.

Can you hear us?

Yes.

Patrick, are you able to do that?

What's that?

You're supposed to state the reason why you're virtually attending.

I'm out of town.

Marty Meth?

I'm on Zoom and I had a lot of conflicts, I couldn't make it downtown.

I don't think we have a quorum today.

We don't have a quorum.

We can now vote them in.

Well, are there any members of the public here today who want to speak?

I'm here, but I have nothing to add.

Make a motion to approve the agenda?

Well, we can't probably make a motion to approve the agenda, so the agenda will have to do as is.

Then we have, were there any comments on the minute meetings from last time?

In section three, you were misidentified as Sarah Healy.

I noted that too.

Yeah, so we'll fix that typo and otherwise good to go.

but we can't vote on it.

I think that is you, Taylor.

and then before that I was at DRPT for about four years doing transit planning work so very excited to be here just moved to Charlottesville about two weeks ago so I'm also brand new but just from Richmond so not very far but still thank you yeah and I'll come up so that I can move through the pages

Any questions or initial comments or reactions for the UPWP?

Yeah.

And they make sure that it aligns with our contract and the things that are in our UPWP.

Yes.

Any other questions?

Any other questions or comments?

No, you count.

Okay.

It's okay.

Are we already sharing our screen and everything?

I guess you're going to introduce yourself and thank you so much for being here.

Let's reshare our screen.

Yes, please.

Thank you.

No, it's not.

It's not full screen.

Then 30 years ago, he wrote one of my recommendation letters for grad school when I was an undergrad.

Thank you for the introduction.

Because I don't think he can see the slides.

You can just take it out and present her to your name.

Thank you and I apologize to this has been previously presented at the technical committee and policy committee so I apologize to everyone who's already heard this presentation so

And so they've been very intimately involved in both the selection and the ongoing monitoring of these sites.

Can you just curious how those sites were selected as opposed to thousands of other options?

So happy to take any other questions that you all have.

So let me start answering some questions.

I was trying to sort of mentally keep track of them.

Yeah, that's a great point.

Sarah, I think you have a question.

Are people reviewing all of the data to see what near misses or something might not have been flagged also?

So, you know, I think as long as we do a random sample across different times of day, you know, and we're trying to

And then is there any way for anyone to request access to the camera data that's being recorded for the research study?

Those would have to be issues that we'd have to work through.

Were there any recommendations made for like this intersection for improving safety?

So again, you know, I wanted to say this was a technology evaluation, not a safety evaluation.

So it's like a little bit of both, like maybe you don't want

So I can't guarantee the data that we're going to get is going to be deemed of sufficient quality to try and make those decisions.

But if the data is good, then you would want to use it?

They're not going to look at any tapes.

But you also said that the Culpeper District was going to look at the results and use that.

This just becomes another piece of data that they can use in their assessment.

And what cautions do we have?

So I think all that's going to have to be paid.

But if they're happening there, they're probably happening in other places.

Are there other state DOTs that you know that are using this already, or is this piloted in other states?

It tends to be more on city streets than rural county roads and things like that.

Why are people doing that in the third place?

Donna, you might be able to answer that.

They'll just do things that don't make sense.

They've kind of reinforced bad driver behavior.

Some places it's legitimately scary.

I have another question about the other side.

And so, you know, I think you are aligned with discussions that happened last time this got presented to policies last time.

I'm also just curious, when you said it was a VDOT policy, not Kate video, because I'm also always trying to worry about VDOT, is that VDOT executive director making that, or is that general assembly policy?

So it could be changed?

So as this continues, there will be interest to see how that gets monitored to make sure the things that are being expressed about concern.

And so I think part of it is understanding the technology where the capabilities that are out there and then weighing it in aggregate at the end about what's a good solution for future deployment.

Paul Church purchased some of these systems, and so they could hold on to the data.

What Falls Church chooses to do is a city policy, not our policy.

Good evening, Madam Chair, members of the committee.

Are there any questions?

Do you know?

It's specific to that intersection, if that was your question.

And as part of the city budget and the city managers all in, and so I don't, maybe do you know more, but I understand there is quite a few months to try to get some smaller, short-term things done now.

Okay.

Yeah, the next item is the next CTAC meeting will be in this very room in May.

Yes.

Yep.

Do you remember when the next, when the virtual, we're going to have two, one virtual meeting or two?

I believe it's two, but we can double check and you will need to choose whichever date that is and pick that up.

I can double change, I don't know on the top of my head.

Please, when I was Jeremy, we did not go into the future anymore.

But if you know that date in mind right now, we can say it up.

Sorry.

Yes.

Sorry.

And Gretchen.

Yeah, that's right.

It's your Wednesday.

Next we have Sandy.

That was a pretty new change for that one too.

It was just a couple of years old.

Anything you want to add Chuck?

No, you pretty much covered it.

We're also going to look at evaluation of the park and ride lot there at Teal Lane to see if we can improve that and make it better and provide more utility.

I know bridges are always very expensive but that sure does seem like something better than just having traffic back up for a mile and a half.

So it's not an easy task to do.

I think that just was one of those things that pointed out how kind of gnarly that intersection is, even if the lawsuit's not going to land.

I don't know anything about that.

But we also want to take our time and make sure we

We'll be starting to look at stuff and working out Setting up meetings with the localities probably starting early late summer early fall to identify possible locations for SMART SCALE applications that they may want to consider

To be honest, we haven't stopped working on them.

So to try to look at other areas where we have issues that need to be addressed and come up with solutions that the locality can resubmit or submit.

Can you either give an update on some of the SMART SCALE and I can never remember if year three, four, five, six doesn't resonate with me, but there was a bunch of different things that were going to be done in Albemarle County that were going to be done in this time frame, such as Ryo-Vilmerdier intersection was the one that, because I was again at a town hall meeting last night, everybody knows that I'm involved in transportation and want to know when that intersection is going to be fixed.

I might have some hits on that.

So I think they're going to go together and I'd have to check with Hal to find out what the schedule is on that bundle.

Yeah, I think Belvidere was funded in, what, four, around four?

So it's probably going to go to advertisement 2020 next year.

A year ago, we were told that it was being, that was already being started.

So that's why I'm not positive when that, when it's going to go.

Well, yeah.

But that's probably a good first place to go to.

Well, it says like that estimated completion date is fall under 2027.

I don't know when it's going to go to construction.

So maybe you can give me a tutorial.

But I might have more questions.

Do we happen to know when the roundabout that John Warner is going to be started?

That's part of that same bundle.

Correct, yeah.

Move on to the ground table updates if folks want to go around and share anything.

Yeah.

So if anybody had anything.

I mean, I'll be framing it quite right, but trying to, and what they could, what they could, what we could be doing.

And so it might be worthwhile to go through the bylaws and to propose any changes that we might want to make to those.

It's something that it doesn't sound like it's been resolved.

Nonetheless, we should put the values on the agenda, like you suggested.

And we can be more active in those.

Yeah.

And if we wanted to inhabit those more fully, then I think that we're welcome to.

I'll leave it at that.

No?

The policy board is the group that's really, so it seems to me that we could have input on that, but it seems to be the decider, maybe I'm wrong about the process.

I mean, yeah, maybe somebody else could speak to that.

Seems to be the power.

But it is up to them how they take that into consideration.

I don't remember that example, so thank you.

Thank you.

Are we like half stocked or are we fully stocked as far as...?

I mean that's to what the full...

And then three from the MPO.

Yeah.

Five plus five plus three.

And so I don't know if there's anybody that has not been attending regularly.

I think this was at the policy board meeting.

have a broader diversity of input into the community.

The elected bodies select people, correct?

But we can do outreach.

Future discussion, because I don't know if my terms are up to them.

You know, we know that like they did what they did anyway, but if some way we can, or some kind of like response, I think that might be helpful as far as like trying to figure out how this body can be more effective, like more effects change some of the change that our community wants.

So somewhere there's the right balance of providing enough feedback to just not having any impact at all.

like me, I mean, I'll give it a shot.

And if it's only eligible for a second term?

Exactly.

It's continuing.

I guess my question is who's monitoring that?

Okay, somebody doesn't apply.

And so then they encourage you to reapply if you can.

I ignore it.

We get to a point that some of the seats were open and nobody seemed to know that for some reason.

I think I saw mine expires in May, so I'll let you know if I get a letter.

I don't see that there's anything that forbids us from doing that.

Well, to your point about representation and community, that's what kind of led to it, is who's trying to do that work.

It's usually a case of it's hard to find people that are willing to do it rather than there's a surplus of people that are.

I'm happy to continue on the board if you'll have me.

So, but again, next meeting, we go in depth into that.

Right, yeah.

Like within, what do you mean?

Yeah, I think that that specific rule that you're talking about is talking about basically someone stepping down within the three-year term.

Oh, not at the end?

Yeah.

Then we definitely need to revise these bylaws.

So if you wanted to, and there hasn't been a dual point, you could just use dual points.

No pressure for me at least.

I could call the four of her next meeting.

I'd like to see those plans.

I have some ideas out there.

I think it's pretty common practice on boards and nonprofits to have someone continue until there's a replacement, just so you don't end up with a depopulated committee.

Are there any additional matters from the committee or the public?

We don't know if you want to state your name and come over here or over there so they can hear you, I think.

Thank you.

Welcome.

That explains why we had some undergrads at the Rio 29 community advisory committee a couple of weeks ago.

Well, if there's no other meetings, then we will be adjourned.

Thank you so much.