Citizens Transportation Advisory Committee (2013-2026) Meeting   11/20/2024

Myra Spade is currently being recorded.

OK. Well, that will start with matters from the public.

Jose Hernandez?

There's a Jose Gomez, that would be me.

Jose Gomez, sorry.

That's okay.

Patrick Healy.

Here.

Marty Meth.

Here.

Oh, okay.

On Zoom.

Greg Weaver, Sandy is here, and Chuck Charles.

Yes, I'm here.

Now you're welcome to go ahead, Lee.

That's right.

That's all right.

Chuck wasn't included, so he already took care of that, or somebody took care of that.

Yes, said it, yeah.

Sarah, you're up.

I'm going to share my screen.

I forgot which one is which.

Is that this one right?

Next slide please.

Click on the packet.

So what that means is that if someone was under the influence and was not wearing a seat belt, but also had a roadway departure, they will fall in all three categories.

So some are more than counted once.

But we also prioritize evaluating processes and policies, identifying key projects and strategies and maintaining ongoing monitoring and reporting to ensure continuous improvement.

Next slide please.

I highly encourage each and every one of you to take time and fill out the survey, but also share that survey with anybody that you know that lives or commutes, not just in Charlottesville or Albemarle, but within the TJPDC region.

Give me the URL of that survey link.

Yes, what I can do is I can post it in the chat.

It's attached to the document too.

Yeah, we can definitely send it out.

Right, that one is correct, yeah.

If you don't mind, it could be helpful to, if we're going to share it with folks on the networks, having something that's like packaged, like a blurb or something.

In this case, 14%, for 2K, 14% of the road accounts for 77% of the crashes, while 3KAB covers 17% of the road, but contributes to 84% of the crashes.

I was not part of those meetings but Sarah was.

Those meetings were done with each jurisdiction separately where both TJPDC, our consultant, and jurisdictions agreed on which criteria they would use.

They're not mutually exclusive.

They do overlap.

You know what I'm saying?

Unfortunately, I don't have the answer at the moment, but I can definitely follow up on that.

Well, not that I don't think that would be, so this is not a very informative thought.

I mean, like we're going to have to report metrics, like percentage crashes, it seems like, but this is not like a good capture of that because it's like

If it didn't have the B, it would.

Yeah, that's right.

Were there any other questions in the meantime?

Well, I have a lot of the same ones, too, because some of the segments on Drupal, I'll have the only B, like if they had only B.

For example, at the same location there was multiple 2KAs or 3KAs.

It sounds like Albemarle at some point decided 3KA was a more informative metric and Charlottesville stakeholders decided to add the B. I guess I'm just curious, how do you turn this into action planning?

Did you hear what I said?

Just because I guess we tend to have lower speeds.

I'll be happy to take any additional questions.

I'm curious about the project design demonstration.

I'll be happy to.

It's going to be like an on the ground pilot to try something out and see how it goes.

I had the feeling that it's going to be more like a public meeting rather than like a pilot on the ground.

And yet the city had substantially more money on the table.

But I believe Sandy might have a better idea on how to... Are you talking about this slide right there where how much funding was contributed?

The city asked for specific components.

So it's okay.

So they put extra funding towards that.

But they, since they wanted these other things, they're paying for it.

Thank you.

You said this like to be, to qualify for

And then by September, end of September, we have to submit the final action plan to FHWA.

Or does the other thing not happen?

Well, this I think will focus less on like doing large projects that will require a lot of resources and time, but rather than implementing short, not short term, but long-term smaller solutions, for example, in some cases doing rumble strips or stuff like that.

So the goal would be not to repeat efforts, but to find how they dovetail together.

Yeah, I think it's important for all the stakeholders to have that discussion so we can focus on different efforts so we don't have like repetition on work in time.

So it's to avoid the overlapping all the time.

Fatalities and Serious Accidents focus on the most used roads but that's where the attention is going to be at least for the county is going to be on 29, 40, and 250 and 64.

survey responses that we had in round one focused specifically on those roads by the by the public.

Well, that's because that's where people go.

Yeah.

OK. All right.

Do you know, Corey, what do you think of the methodology of the overall number of crashes or the crash rate, you know?

It looks like it's crashes per mile of roadway for some people who want to travel.

Right.

Could you go back to whatever is the third slide, just the categories?

The emphasis area?

Yeah, just for a second, just curious.

Is it tracking?

So we took these areas from 2018 to 2022, the data that VDOT had and to use it in this plan, because I don't think the data for 2023 was available at that time.

There was an aging road user.

All of the detail is collected on the vehicle and the occupants in that crash report.

Does that mean, in that particular case, where it's noted, it could inform the data, but there could be an omission?

Someone passes away that's obvious, but the delineation between minor injury and major injury is sometimes like a judgment call.

It's difficult to try to measure what the leading audience is.

Yeah, especially, as I said earlier, somebody that had fallen into three categories will be counted here.

where that's an overlap to me again with screen like this is an area of need.

It's obviously not the purpose of this traffic, but I think that information is totally available.

So it's kind of hard not to think about.

I don't know that anybody's quantifying it on a couple of inches.

I mean, that's clearly driver error 99% of the time.

Yeah, I mean, I have to say for that one, there's also like running into animals included there, open departures, most of them will be because of deer probably.

almost half again as much as intersections is surprising.

I don't know how you, you know.

Well, I could certainly run it, but I'll throw away the carcass too, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It is a form of impairment.

I'm pretty sure that's where it's being tortured.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

Sorry, I was not able to answer all questions right now.

I guess Chuck, Sandy, you're up.

I love the bird, Chuck.

Go ahead Chuck, we see your screen.

So any questions about those?

Is it the localities proposed them?

But we're also looking at the congestion data and where the worst locations are and that's how they're come up with and then we work with the locality on making sure that they're on board with these corridors as locations for study.

We often review these against the long-range transportation plan to make sure that there were priorities that were identified on that plan.

Is there a direct way for the public to weigh in on this, or is it more derivative of these other studies?

Exactly.

To choose a different number two or a different number three.

Do you want to?

Two and three were basically, three was, we weren't just talking to the city about that one, but it does show up as a high priority intersection location in the city.

I agree with you on that.

methodology and the criteria that we're using for the study first.

But also to answer your question, that is something that's important to keep in mind when you're engaging in- I was gonna ask- Should lead it to- I was smart enough, I'm on Zoom.

It's any better because you don't see bikes here.

But the biggest thing is, I think we need to consider is transit and how we can maybe start to work on how BRT might be able to effectively work this corridor and is there anything that we can look at as we develop improvements for this corridor that could facilitate that future method of transportation along this corridor?

I haven't looked at that corridor.

Okay.

Next we start closing those years out and have access to that information.

We originally looked at the same data set that the Safe Streets for All looked at, the 22, 18 to 22 data.

So this entire process, the study process facing

So those were the two locations in the MPO area that we're basically focusing our efforts on.

That's been looked at in the past.

But I understand what you're saying is that's more of a bigger study than what we were going to undertake with this.

Yeah, it seems like, especially with all that development on 812 Street extended, this isn't going to get any better because it's the only way we can get on.

So it can be extended across if the county wants to look at that as a future alternative connection across.

Probably not immediately, but at some point in the future, things like small office part structures could become six or even eight story apartment buildings.

Where I'll get into the call, why we're looking at that.

If you have more residents in the city that helps solve this issue.

So whether that trend continues or what you're suggesting.

But I was just curious, like I wonder if you could go.

But that's how it works pretty much every time.

Chuck, did you say you're considering doing away with the mixed-use path that was previously part of that area?

We're going to look at it as a separate structure.

Oh, the shared-use, yeah, the shared-use path, yeah.

So hopefully we can bring down the cost of the application.

We're not going to solve that right now, but it just seems like a consistent narrative.

Some regions do charge like a development fee tax on the developments because they're going to be generating the tax.

Beyond that, there's limits that we can, they're responsible for according to the current laws.

In other words, would that happen after this kind of interchange project or would that happen at the same time?

So I want to basically just look at it as a separate alternative.

So I think that would help.

Anybody got any other questions about this one?

The shared piece, was it going to be west of the bridge?

So on the north, once we get to the north side of the bridge, we're going to have to cross the road and we'll cross at the interchange.

There is a current path down there on the east side of the bridge which connects to the land at the street station shopping center.

and we're going to basically tie there's a there's a trail that runs just north of the shopping center where the Holiday Inn is there's a trailhead that comes in there we're going to basically start there and go south then cross the road at the interchange and then cross the 64 on the west side and then continue south on the west side of the 5th street and that would be on grade or would you still be below grade there road grade you will be at the road grade

Alright, let me find the other presentation.

It's just taking time for it to load.

There it goes.

All right, can you see my screen again?

I can, Chuck.

Okay.

We might have to do a little bit of the median modification to allow for the crossing movements to occur at either end, but that's going to be about it.

How do you cross from one side to the other with the light?

Does that make sense?

And is there street lighting around there?

We will have street lighting included in the application.

Will that bridge be wired to a company to better accommodate these changes?

I'd rather do it now and that way it gives me enough time to look at the alternative in detail and get FHWA to support and buy in on it.

And is that a shared use path?

So what I want to do is go back and look at another alternative for this bridge that would reduce the cost.

The Maltese Path through the middle of the EDI.

When it was originally designed, the first one in the country in Missouri, that's where it was placed in the middle of the road.

I wonder if this alternative is maybe...

It's a shared-use path.

maybe doesn't feel as comfortable from a pedestrian perspective.

So it just depends on where you are and what you're trying to do.

Any questions other than what we talked about?

This is off topic, but do you know when they're gonna complete the project down at Red Hill Road and Scottsdale Road?

I'm not sure which project is this?

I guess that would be the hardware river there down on Route 20 south in Carvers Bridge area.

So I can't answer that question.

I just wondered.

All right, I'll switch to the last presentation.

Hopefully it'll load quicker.

Ivy Road.

But like I said, these are more long term solutions if we start to see issues with some of these locations.

It's bad.

Any questions?

Okay.

And it wouldn't be too costly for them to submit it.

Do you say there was a multi-use path?

Correct.

Oh yes, I got that.

from the underpass at Ivy Road on the east end all the way to Old Garth Road intersection.

Did that include tying in multi-use paths?

Off the top of my head, I don't recall.

There's bike lanes on that portion of I-V toward the University.

There's the Orthopedic Center and this entire one.

That's before the intersection of old I-V and I-V.

Yeah.

That's pretty much it for me.

We'll move on to any final comments from the first members of the committee.

I can provide the link in the chat for that as well.

Do you have any other email on the chat?

with the Facebook post for the survey.

I don't see any members of the public online, but nobody here.

I think item six before the roundtable.

Well, no, we did roundtable.

Yeah.

No.

Hopefully next meeting.

That's meeting virtual.

So I think with that, we are adjourned.

Oh, there's nothing to go around the table?

No, it has to.

Wonderful.

I have like some sort of like algorithm when I assess

So there's a whole, like it explains the process of how they did it and then it shows you all maps for the priority locations.

Safety Action Plan, that the State Highway Safety Action Plan does, that they do the cross tab table with all of the different emphasis areas to show where there's correlation between not wearing a seat belt and at an intersection.

Sandy, do you want to share your screen so folks on Zoom can see or you can't?

Well, I mean, I can email this to you as well to send it out to everybody.

OK.

I was just wondering if there was specific questions.

Thank you.