Planning District Commission Meeting   5/4/2023

We have a quorum present, and I believe, Commissioner Herring, that the motion is to go up post-sentence.

I do.

I, though Herring, move to the Commission, be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be it be

Herring, Supervisor Brack, can we follow the roll?

Can we call the roll?

Well, since we technically are open to the meeting, the whole roll.

Commissioner Russell?

Supervisor Andrews?

Here.

Mr. Smith?

We can call the roll to run.

Yes.

O'Brien?

Yes.

Mr.

Herring?

Yes.

Ms. Wilkerson?

Aye, Mr. Edwards?

No.

Yes.

All right.

You're in closed session.

I, Dale Herring, move to commission.

That was a closed session.

Second.

The motion has been made and seconded.

We call the roll, please.

Yes.

Ms. Russell.

Yes.

Mr. Andrews?

No.

Mr. O'Brien?

Yes.

Mr.

Herring?

Aye.

Ms. Wilkinson?

Aye.

Ms. Jones?

Yes.

Ms. Barlow?

Yes.

Yes.

Ms. Gallaway?

Yes.

Mr. Payne?

Yes.

Ms. Russell?

Mr. Andrews?

Mr. Ryan?

Mr.

Herring?

Ms. Wilkinson?

Ms. James?

Yes.

Mr. Barlow?

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

Mr. Yanno?

We do have Commissioner Smith online, so we just need to vote to allow our final participation, and I don't think we need to.

and 35 Baker Lane, Palmyra, Virginia.

And the reason I'm participating remotely is I needed to take my quality from the hospital to his house.

Very good.

Thank you, sir.

And then we just need a motion to allow Mr. Smith to participate.

So moved.

Any questions for May and second?

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Abstentions?

Can you hear that?

Oh, sorry, guys.

It's hard to hear with all the conversation.

Thank you very much.

You had a shoulder replacement done, and they were supposed to release them at 11.

And that didn't happen until four.

So there you go.

Anyone here who wishes to give public comments?

I do not see anyone else online, so we will close matters from the public.

Any comments provided via email online?

And that will take us to CD presentation, the draft 2023-17 home CDDP provider consolidated plan and annual action plan.

Lori, we'll list this evening.

I'm Lori Jean Touloun.

I am the regional housing and community development grants manager here at TJPDC.

Started in November.

So I've seen a few of you around.

It's good to see you again.

So starting in late November, early December, I was working on this five year consolidated plan in partnership with the city of Charlottesville, who is

the lead entity of the home consortium.

The goal of this is to make a five-year plan for these two large portions of funding that come through HUD to us.

CDBG just goes straight to Charlottesville and then we here at the TJPDC are taking care of administering the home funds.

So those are funds that are given to us as a region to address home

sorry, housing issues, affordable housing, especially for people with AMIs under 80% of AMI, incomes under 80% of AMI.

So let's look at the next slide.

So this is the funding for this coming year, program year 2023 starts July 1st.

The total is 785,000.

And then that is split up into this portion.

If you can't see, 10% of that comes to TJPDC for administration.

So 78,000 for one year.

15% is set aside for CHODO, which just means a nonprofit, a community organization that represents low income households and serves them and provides housing.

And so that's 117,000 for the year.

And then that rotates by locality.

And then the rest is split up by the six localities.

So that's 98,000 per locality for the year.

And how this connects, just so you know, we also have home ARP funds, the American Rescue Plan, which is also, we can use those funds like home funds.

We were given two and a half million basically from now through 2030.

And that was also split into administrative and then split evenly among the six jurisdictions.

So it's 347,000 to each locality.

Greene and Albemarle are focused on supportive services for that and then Louisa, Fluvanna, Nelson and Charlottesville are all developing rental units using that funding.

And then HPG is through USDA.

It's another grant that we have that's federal and then that's mostly rural homeowner rehabs that we can do.

We can do $5,000 per project for that.

So it's

It's small, but then it's supplemented by the different nonprofits funding.

So all of that together is kind of the federal funding that we have right now for housing.

So the consolidated plan kind of sees this as a chance for us to check in with our community and see, are the needs the same as five years ago?

How have they changed and how should we be using this funding based on those needs?

So to do that,

We consulted with all of these folks and a few that didn't quite get on there that were towards the end.

But we met for 60 to 90 minutes with representatives from each of these organizations over the course of the winter and really tried to hear, what are you seeing?

How are you seeing families impacted?

What do you think the needs are?

What are the priorities?

It was really, really helpful conversation.

So all of that went into our consolidated plan.

We also put out a community survey and almost 500 people completed it from all of TJPD, the region.

And that gave us a lot of information that was incorporated.

And then of course we pulled from available data elsewhere as well to try to understand what the situation is and make sure we're making decisions that line up with that.

So these are the most common housing problems.

I don't think it's going to be a surprise to anyone here, but

We did find that cost burden is a huge, huge issue in our region, especially for renters, but not only for renters.

23% of homeowners are paying more than 30% of their income on housing and housing-related costs.

And 50% of renters in our MSA, which doesn't include Louisa, but it's probably pretty similar in Louisa, 50% of renters are paying more than 30%.

of their income.

So that's a lot.

And HUD sees that as a major issue, right, that people are facing that and they have to figure out how to spend the rest of their money to survive.

You're going to hear me say a lot about rentals.

It just came up in every single one of those conversations that I just referenced in the survey.

It was the top concern of residents and the data that we could find showed it as well, just that there's a lack of rentals and particularly affordable rentals.

And then substandard housing, this is why we do so many rehabs, but also finding that when folks can find a rental unit, especially if it's affordable, it's generally not in great condition.

And that can be really tough for living in as well.

And then accessibility features for the elderly, for people with disabilities are rare.

And often you're on a fixed income in a situation like that, and you have to pay to install a ramp or

Handles in the shower, and then pay to get them uninstalled when you move out if you're a renter, which is really, really tough if you are literally taking in $800 a month, paying $400 to $500 for a room and a house, then you have to scramble to get that kind of money.

So lots of challenges that people are facing there.

So we looked at populations disproportionately affected.

This is something that HUD really wants us to look at.

So definitely extremely and very low income people below 50% of AMI, of course, are seriously affected by the lack of affordable housing.

When we talked with the folks in workforce development, one of the biggest things that they said was they can do lots of outreach and find people who are making 30%, 20% of AMI.

They can help meet their needs, help them figure out childcare, help them figure out job training.

They can maybe get them up to 50% of AMI.

And then after that, it's incredibly difficult to increase your income higher if you're at that low income level.

It may take a lot more schooling than you can afford or have time for while you're raising a family and working many full-time jobs just to stick to that 50% of AMI.

It's so tough.

So they've told us that's the biggest challenge is just people's incomes just aren't meeting their needs for housing.

just as a baseline and then everything else from there.

Renters, like I've already talked about, households with children versus households that don't have children are definitely disproportionately affected.

Special needs populations, so again, people with disabilities, people who are aging, black and African-American households, and formerly incarcerated individuals and their families was something that came up over and over again in our conversations.

Okay, so market contacts, again, not surprising to anyone.

So our population is growing faster than our housing supply.

And then sometimes when new units are being built, they're just completely out of reach for a lot of the people who already live here.

So they're getting kind of swiped away.

Household size has decreased.

So we're seeing more and more one or two person households.

So smaller units can be a possibility.

And we have really low vacancy rates.

So 5.8% is the national vacancy rate of rentals.

And in the Charlottesville MSA, it's 3.4%, which is a lot lower.

So that, again, reflects what we're seeing with rentals.

Yeah.

So we, and this is 2021 census data, we were 3.4% vacancy rate and nationally 5.8%.

You guys got kind of a summary of all of our consultations and survey data in your packet.

So you can look at more details.

So I just put a list here of the things that were prioritized

So affordable rental housing, again, continually at the top, jobs not paying wages that can afford your rent or your mortgage payments.

And then mental health and transportation, even though they're low on this list, it's kind of not in order, they were high after housing in the survey.

And so while TJPDC isn't responsible for CDBG, Charlottesville's entitlement funds, that's something that they're considering as they're thinking about how they use those funds.

And that's part of this.

Oh, sorry.

This is here again.

He's reusing this.

So this is the CHODA rotation.

You'll see that Fluvanna isn't on there, but that's because they're getting it this year and then they'll get it the year after this five year plan.

So it is just that even six year cycle.

So you can see who is getting that big chunk of funding in additional to their regular amount on those years.

So Charlottesville, for instance, they just completed their RFP.

They're going to be

giving both their CHODO and their regular home funds to PHA to develop homes that low-income homebuyers can purchase.

So this is the past five years of home funds.

We rehabilitated 84 homes, provided 25 households with down payment support,

and developed 14 new rental and home buyer unit homes, which was a little bit lower than projected, but it's because of COVID is still very high when you think about everything that was happening in those past five years.

So these are the goals of the next five years.

I hope it's visible.

So goal number one, expand the affordable housing stock.

So everybody, all of the different nonprofits that are working on this were in agreement that yes, rental units, you know, they agreed with all of the findings.

So 37 rental units produced and keep in mind that's like home funds are going to be a portion of each unit.

They pull together funds from all different places and home is just one of those.

Streams, 10 homebuyer homes produced.

And then goal number two is to preserve the existing supply.

So if houses are getting super defunct while we're building new ones,

We're just evening things out.

We're not really keeping up with things.

So 116 homeowner units rehabilitated is the goal.

And these are from all of the participating nonprofits came up with these numbers.

And then we were talking about some of them about trying out if we could do one rental unit as kind of a pilot to see how that goes.

AHIP has done it before years ago.

And so they're interested in possibly trying again.

And there's going to be a whole process that would have to go into that.

So we just put that there as a goal to just see how that goes, because we just kept hearing people who are renting are also like literally falling through floors or walls or like, you know, the roof caving.

I mean, really serious issues.

So we didn't want to leave that completely untouched.

And then the final goal is ensure housing is accessible to residents under 60% of AMI.

So looking at down payment assistance and then rental assistance will only be the city of Charlottesville is something that they chose to focus on and the other localities didn't.

Questions here?

I have a question about sort of the results, right, in that last slide.

So is that

Oh, you know, those natural exposables.

So the, and maybe actually, are you talking about this one?

So that is, yeah.

So it's interesting how home is for us here because match

is kind of already taken care of because Habitat kind of provides it for everyone.

So they're not really including match in this plan.

This is really just we're going to use home funds to contribute to this many units.

So it's not this

It's a whole picture.

Any units that have this money associated.

Got it.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

Exactly.

That's why.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

Yeah, so they're pulling together a lot of additional funds.

I mean, you have it here.

It's kind of a lot, actually.

I could probably email it to you so you could look at it.

Was there anything pretty green?

So Greene is looking at mostly trying to produce rental units.

They're looking at trying to skyline cap.

They're looking at trying to purchase, like they're looking for townhomes or duplexes that they can, either they may need to be renovated or not, but either way, then they can make them affordable rentals.

That's the biggest goal that they have so far.

Yeah, each nonprofit is really amazingly familiar with their own region and that's been super helpful, especially since I started in November.

I'm learning a lot.

So yeah, this is just a breakdown by funding.

It's just an estimate, but it's kind of looking at how much money will go where.

So a lot of it, of course, is going to producing homes, just again, as an estimate.

I apologize if that's a little hard to see.

So the bottom one is rental units produced.

The second up is home buyer homes.

And then the middle one is units rehabilitated.

And then the top two are rental assistance and down payment assistance.

And then the last slide is just about our timeline.

We're kind of in the middle of it right now.

So assuming that this is approved tonight, we'll take your resolution and we'll be submitting it to HUD in the next two business days, hopefully.

Great, thank you all so much.

Is there any additional presentation information that we need to have?

Do it again.

I do not see any public votes in the room for public hearing.

I do not see anyone online, so we will close the public hearing.

I don't remember saying it.

Yeah, it will come during the open session.

We didn't follow your vote.

It doesn't matter.

Very good.

Thank you.

We'll move to number three presentations.

I'm pleased to introduce you by word range in our new director of finance.

She has extensive experience with managing accounting for HR, information technology for both public and private organizations.

Most recently she was a sole provider

consulting, accounting consulting, business management firm with clients.

And prior to that, well, one of the things that we really liked about, especially our interview with her was her commitment to running to work in public service and to do something that was working on issues that were really good for the community.

So we're very pleased to welcome her.

Any comments or?

We'll be quiet for a second.

Yes, a few things.

I wanted to pass it on to you this evening.

First, as you know, there's no budget to be safe, and I'm not looking for there to be one by the amendments to the current budget.

and Jim Pyers.

So again, going down and getting a little wider in fiscal year, last week and June probably.

At this point, there are some discussions going on primarily just between the chairs and co-chairs and a lot of communities.

A lot of money is being put forward and we think we've got some broad agreement we can bring in while the rest of the companies and potentially the assembly will be on the part of June.

They don't have to do a budget.

Because of the two-year budgeting process, there is a budget in place, but I do feel like that they will do one.

They've just got to bridge that gap between the House and Senate versions, which is really related to how much revenue they're going to have with the House.

You take all along with most of the other tax relief proposals in the Senate.

I would look for some definitive word on that with a black page.

Reconvene session was several weeks ago, nothing really exciting coming out of that, what we did, the government did all the same, those data needs to be proposed, the bill was, were the same as well.

During the era, you know, we were working as long as several civilian committees, I think probably the most significant thing that we'll see in the coming months is going to be in the area of housing,

As you know we had some discussion I guess back right before the General Assembly session on one of your meetings about items that were going to come before the General Assembly.

Most of those were were put aside to study about the Virginia Housing Commission.

I think I outlined different issues and bills and different work groups that they're going to be studying in.

The legislative newsletter that they're going to be looking at

portable dwelling units, accessory dwelling units, and several stable and portable housing and workplace housing.

And then short-term rentals is another element that we thought about.

There were a couple of good ones from this past session.

It really was meant to part out an exception for properties that had a property manager and to provide that they did not have to be subject to the state's regulations and local regulation.

and the property that was managed by a property manager.

And I think, like we said, at this point, is to just confine a look to those issues that were raised in those bills.

That's today.

One time today is 15 or 11, they're on their own.

So, at least that's the intent by the panel.

We've been talking about actually kind of

Probably the most significant thing I wanted to tell you about this evening really relates to the next six months and conventions and primary elections and general elections.

It's just what that means for us in this region.

As you are looking in your individual academies, we may be representing you right now under the current situation, the current district lines, we have

seven delegates that are representing the TJPDC with galleries.

Due to redistricting and the new bias, that number is going to go down to six, but all of them will be new to the region.

So you have retirement, you've got a couple of house lenders that are running a percent,

and then just by virtue of the redistricting and districts getting put different ways, they no longer, the folks that are in their seats or their seat, they don't involve accountants.

So we're gonna have six new delegates.

We in the Senate, currently there are four representing localities, that's gonna go to three.

We're losing Senator Hager, who's representing Greene, a number of years behind on it.

Senator Pete's district, he's had movies in Urbana, it's going to be a movie elsewhere.

And then the other two are writing comments in the region.

So two, at least one research.

What I guess it concerns me, having been around the General Assembly for as long as I have,

of a number of senior legislators.

And it's apparently, I think, going to be felt in the Senate, which, in my opinion, will be a more institutional body.

But if you look at the seniority list in the Senate, at the top 10, six of those folks at least, as of right now, are not going to be there next year.

And collectively, they've got almost 200 years of service.

So there's going to be a lot of new faces.

There's going to be new leadership.

In some cases, members of our character committees say they have not even served them.

We don't know who's going to be in charge.

We know the governor will be there for another two years.

But QP is in charge of the House and House.

Democrats are in charge of the Senate.

They say they're standing and they can switch.

So we really don't know what the latest data is going to be, other than we're going to have a lot of new folks.

And I think I would encourage you all, as the weeks and months move by, to take a connection with the criminals who are running in your locality, perhaps in the Senate.

I'm going to go to Max, myself.

Let them know what you do at the local government level, particularly if we're going to be looking at folks that have no experience in the elected office.

I can say that too.

So don't wait.

The more that you do, I think as you educate folks and give them government, local government 101 and things, the better, because it's going to be a really challenging sector, I think, next year.

They're supposed to be moving to a new building six years in the making.

That's my soapbox for today.

There's one specific question on the budget.

I've heard that the sales tax referendum legislation for funding school construction may have some chance of rising from the dead in part of budget negotiations.

Whether that's all part of the overall kind of tax, you know, proposal, we're basically working on that.

So to me, that's amazing money.

I wouldn't be surprised if they also provide some of the military and the government tax relief.

and a couple of quick comments in the financials, that result in the financial debt work, we have 9.68 months of operating expenses, the goal is to have five, anything above five months, the board set aside for capital reserve accounts, the capital reserve is at 409,000.

Unrestricted cash, I wanted to make sure I noted, it appears as though unrestricted cash seems to have a significant increase, you know, up to 13.44 months,

But that's not actual body revenues.

We're booked in February.

The associated expenses are booked in March.

And so you'll see that come back down next month.

Also, I started to toll out in the financial dashboard by funding, so it doesn't skew the whole graph.

And so the month of March, we had 1.93 million in pass-through in just one month of providing.

And then our February net gain was 5,679.

That brings our total net gain to date for the fiscal year to 88,000.

But I want you guys to keep in mind that that will then be less the bonuses that are given at the end of the fiscal year, less some of the work that Hands On and People is doing to clear out legacy perceivables and some of the tidying up of the books.

And so we might see some of that net being come down closer to what was budgeted before it could be.

I'm going to take questions on what we have.

Are there any consensus for the evidence?

Questions?

So we're back.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

All right.

I guess it's just the consent agenda that was approved.

We'll go to number five.

We've got some new business items.

So I will hand it over to you, Ruth, too.

Yeah, that's a better voice.

Got it.

All right.

All right, we will move to, thank you for handling that.

All right.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Each year, Department of Housing and Community Development reaches out to planning district commissions to submit a list of potential regional applications that will be coming in from urban jurisdictions and prioritizing those applications that you all will vote on tonight.

I reach out to all six of our local governments to ask them what applications are you considering or what types of projects so that we can make sure that we put in our priority order the applications that will be received if the projects are on our approved regional list that actually helps them score better in the application process when they're being reviewed.

And so what I had in your packet was prior to your impact, so I will make one amendment to what you see in your packet.

So the listed projects, there's one from Albemarle County, that's Southwood redevelopment project, phase two, village three, and that's a public infrastructure project, which includes housing production.

And then I put a placeholder for the pizza, because I hadn't heard about the specific projects, but I now have those for you.

Music County is considering an application for the Ferncliff Workforce and Senior Housing Development by Provano Music Housing Foundation, also a public infrastructure, so that includes housing production,

and then Louise is also considered an application.

I believe you guys voted in your last meeting to approve the applications.

So not consider it, but they are.

Thank you.

And then housing rehabilitation also by the families and housing foundation and that's for grants and direct service.

So that's housing and housing rehabilitation.

So you see above that, we prioritize public infrastructure first because there will be two applications for that.

One for housing is the second and then the community development should another application come up.

If a locality decides to apply and it is not on this list, it won't necessarily hurt them.

And if you're on this list and you choose not to apply, you're not committed by being on this.

And a greater motion and a second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Abstentions?

Well, I think I called this, right?

Is that right?

The competitive grants, City of Charlottesville is not eligible as an applicant because you are an independent

The next item, the Federal Highways Administration contract.

We included in your packet a copy of a draft grant agreement.

This is basically the compact that we would find to authorize the relief effects from an HWA and reduce all the terms.

The Great Agreement lays out the period of performance, the budget period, the difference between those, about the period of performance is how long you have to actually submit all of your invoice and reimbursement requests whereas the budget period is how long you have to actually work on a project where expenses can be reimbursed.

So it also outlines a number of other just different contractual agreements that we're making as far as data.

terms, what we're going to spend our money on.

There was a little bit of a revision in the budget, the overall math is the same, but VDOT did express interest in participating in the study and the specific departments within VDOT that would be able to build to a program, so we are able to reallocate some of the commitment from the TJPDC through other programming, so we haven't

ensure that we are coordinating closely with VDOT for their participation from this project.

Otherwise, that is already reflected in the budget table that is shown in section 312 of the grant agreement.

Otherwise, the only revision that is reflected in the final agreement terms that were reviewed by NHWA is that the period of performance is going to be adjusted from where you see it on page one, number six.

We will need to reduce the time frame for the period of performance to September 30, 2025 from the original date of March 31, 2026.

We are comfortable with that.

We are hoping that we are going to complete the work probably mid-summer of 2025.

So we are comfortable with that.

But that is a change from the contract that you see before you tonight.

So a little bit later in the game, we have a resolution for you all to review that will authorize Christine as the executive director to sign the grant agreement with supply and additional information upon request in order to execute the contract.

Any questions, Harry?

23, meaning since then we learned that the body passed through projections were going to be significantly lower for FY 23.

We needed to roll them into FY 24 and 25.

And so we're bringing back to you a necessitated amendment so that our variance was not very large at the end of this fiscal year.

So the pathway amount expected for FY 23 is 18 million.

It was previously 35 million.

So we're going to split the difference and put them each in FY 24 and FY 25.

There were a couple of other minor tweaks in there.

As you all know, we advertise the finance position in either part-time or full-time.

We filled it in 25 hours a week, so I had to divide it to account for the actual, for this salary.

And then revising some contract amounts that have changed from March till now, all small amounts.

So for the FY23 budget, as it is presented before you right now, to the revenues of $24,343,001 with expenses of $24,305,974, anticipated net gain of $37,027.

But Chair Gallaway, I believe we also need to incorporate what you all determined in closed session in order to have that approved within the FY24 budget.

Yes.

Are we doing the previous two in any?

That would be five.

Three and then two.

Any questions on that?

I've got 23 questions.

It will.

Generally, for a bonus, if we budget in a bonus at the beginning of a fiscal year, we can actually accrue that bonus by getting our staff billable rates higher.

We accrue that money, and then at the end of the fiscal year, we don't have to pay that money out of cash.

We've already collected it from our grantors.

When a budget, when a bonus is not budgeted in, it then takes down the net gain because we haven't already approved that.

So for the end of FY23, this current fiscal year, all of the bonuses we began to approve in March when we realized we were going to have enough net gain.

So we will have approved some of that, but there will also be a drop in cash to make up the difference.

For FY24,

There's a copy of

FY24 operating budget, you received a draft in April along with some discussion of changes that I anticipated coming before you tonight.

Also included in your packet is a detailed memo talking through each of those changes.

I think you want to read it in more detail.

High level that between April's meeting and what you see before you today, it incorporates that body rollover amount.

So there's an additional pass-through amount for the Virginia telecommunication

There is also staff increases of 7% for all full-time staff members.

There are salary adjustments made because of the finance director.

Originally, we budgeted it for full-time conservatively, and I already pulled that down a little bit.

And then we, in the draft, six-year improvement plan of the Commonwealth Transportation Board.

Currently, they are recommending funding for the strategic plan for Rideshare.

Originally, that was a 50-50 state

Local requirement.

We were going to cover that local requirement of existing per capita funding.

We recently got a phone call from the ERP team that they had some unallocated federal funding they would like to offer to cover a part of our local match.

So they actually of the 35,000 local match offered us 32,200.

So I changed that in the budget to add a federal line item and take out the local match for that.

And then also in the draft SIP, the six year improvement plan for the Commonwealth Transportation Board.

They recommended funding to start our regional mobility management program that we presented to you.

They did recommend it at $10,000 less than we applied for, which is still a significant amount of funding that they were covering.

There was only a 4%.

Local Match required.

So to make up for that $10,000 gap, we are going to pull some of the per capita that we were going to use for the ride share strategic plan and put it into mobility.

So that is another change from April until now.

With that, we have quite 24 operating budget, including revenues of just under $55 million, expenses of just under $55 million matching with an anticipated need to transfer $9,075 from the reserve

If you guys have questions, I'm actually going to answer them.

Questions?

All right, Supervisor Reed with a motion and Supervisor Andrews for the second.

All those in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Abstentions?

And then we're looking for a motion to approve the safe streets for all residents.

So moved.

Second.

Motion was made in second.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Abstentions?

Let's say this and then see if the language works for the fiscal year 23.

All right.

My name has been made in second.

All those in favor, say aye.

Opposed?

Acceptance?

Thank you.

So moved.

Second.

Director's local report that I want to make sure to touch base with you guys on is the EC strategic plan.

And so our current five-year strategic plan goes through September of 2023.

So as staff, we've been working on beginning to kick off the next five-year strategic plan.

So I want to do a very brief review tonight.

Process timeline was to show you how we're going to get from here until September.

And then we'd like you guys to look at just the mission and the vision and the

values, to reaffirm those so that we know we're moving in the right direction.

And plus, you all tell us otherwise that you want to revise those in the next plan.

And so if you look here tonight, May 4th, we're going through this process overview.

And then I'm going to show you the mission, vision, and values.

And then May 4th through 11th, staff is going to work on refining the process.

I'm going to have to sit by you.

I have one glass in there.

Thank you.

And prep a list of all the services, programs, staffing, and funding that we currently have.

We're then gonna benchmark across other regional strategic plans to see if there are elements that are missing in our strategic plan that we would like to consider.

And then we're gonna develop the survey distribution list of all of the stakeholders, which will include all of the officials in the six jurisdictions, as well as leadership staff, CAOs, and potentially directors of planning departments.

And then the next week, May 11th through 18th, we're going to then explore what are other services programs that other regional bodies are doing and look at those to see what are we not doing that other regions might be doing and incorporate those into the survey so we can get feedback from our local jurisdictions if any of those are priorities that we should start to move towards.

And then we are going to distribute the survey with a two-week window.

So that by June 1st, that is the night of your commission meeting, we'll be able to give you an update.

We won't have done any analysis on those results since it comes in the same day, but we can just give you an update of where we are.

Come June 22nd, right now we have tentatively on our calendar an additional commission meeting originally scheduled at in case the housing preservation grant timeline

doesn't match up, which this year it may, but we would like to keep that on the calendar to do a strategic planning work session so that we can share with you all all of the survey findings and the feedback that we got during our engagement.

In July, we will take that month to do internal staff work and engagement.

We're going to do an offsite staff retreat to work on strategic planning.

We're also going to do some staff professional development and team building on that day.

So we're going to take a whole day out of office

So that we can have staff also engaging in this process.

And then in August, your commission meeting, we'd like to bring back a draft of the strategic plan, incorporating all of the feedback that we've heard from all of the stakeholders.

Then come late August, we'll be sharing those findings with folks that took the survey so they can see the results participating in that work, and then bring it to you in September for your consideration for adoption.

One of the things that I think is unique about the PDC is strategic plan, at least from what I have seen.

Most strategic plans, as you guys know, go into, you know, here are your goals, here are your objectives, and here are your tasks that are going to help you accomplish those.

The PDCs are a little bit more general in order to allow us to be nimble and pivot when new things come up.

So for example, Safe Streets and Roads were all granted that wasn't written into the strategic plan.

We can instead point to general regional transportation services.

And so you're going to see our strategic plan has not drilled down into the steps that we're going to take.

Instead, it sets a strategic direction.

And it says, here are the initiatives that are priorities right now.

Here are initiatives that we would like you to be looking into.

We'll bring any of those changes to you that we recommend if we find some.

Because of time, I want to be really respectful of your time.

For body, I can tell you the site visits that were done this month were in Amherst and Nelson.

Remember, each month we go out to a different onsite in the field looking at the work done, verifying that it's been completed as part of our compliance.

I'm not going to read most of these to you.

I will skip all the way down to transportation and say mobility management.

knowing that that is recommended for funding.

We're going ahead and having an RFP out so that we can find a consultant, not a consultant, I'm sorry, a partner to help us staff the Paul Center.

You guys remember Lucinda talked about having a one-call, one-click center to support seniors and folks with disabilities with mobility.

And we already have that group of folks out.

Also skipping down the street, I forgot all that Sandy briefed you on related to contact,

We're also developing request for proposals now so that we can begin to procure the consultant.

So once we have all of the grant contract completed and we're ready to draw down funds, we have somebody ready to go.

Originally, this was going to be a full two years.

We have been given a recommendation by our parade officer that we may want to consider compressing that down to potentially 15 months.

which will be fast for all six jurisdictions, but then that would give our local governments two different shots at applying for implementation funding.

And then I think the rest of this, I'm just gonna leave it in the package.

Are there any questions or comments you're pursuing?

I'm just going to update my plan commission models.

That's what I worry about.

I don't know what to do.

Use the executive director's report.

So we'll go around, let's see, I've got Nelson on the right, and then we'll start with Lucy.

I have nothing else.

Jesse probably supervised the weather.

I'm absolutely exhausted.

The area doesn't know any of that, but obviously controversy over affordable housing has kind of hit a new level because we've gotten more discussions about affordable housing.

Community members are concerned.

A lot of the total mantra that we would experience and what we hear coming

And recognizing the fact that at this point, the average blue collar job that is offered in Nelson, all that workforce has to be imported from the neighboring county of Hanford to the south.

And saying that repeatedly to someone whose family has a history of being an occupation similar to that didn't register.

And I then had a point that specific family

O'Brien.

So it's interesting.

I think it's going to be how the county is going to approach housing is still going to be a delicate thing.

And there's some education that still needs to happen.

I don't know what the right recipe is.

I often reference what we had at the conference

First of all enough and real enough to them is where it's more of a gap thing.

They, the mantra of those people, we don't want them, blah, blah, blah.

They've gone, the reference is very specific communities that are especially lower income and then expressing their mistake with it, which is just so sad.

And I was recently approached with a comment, we definitely don't want

any of that housing near our school systems.

I don't care.

I've come to the realization that though I recognize sometimes I'm in a bubble, I know I'm not because this is something we all do every day, but it is getting,

It's going to be hard.

And we're not the only ones.

We are not the only ones.

I recognize that.

But it's since that thing's broken that we finally got the governments talking about it and we need to get our communities talking about it.

That and obviously, as we look to, you know, economics, you know, I don't know what everyone else is hearing, you know, generally hearing slowdowns from a lot of nations

in New construction, sorry to hear a little bit out of the transportation industry on my side of things.

I will, it just says that we've definitely watched a large amount in the manufacturing housing world dip off in terms of availability while that's influenced by interest rates, wages not keeping up with, you know, the cost of buying a house.

Therefore, even as the money tightens up, it's hard to see that could actually happen more.

And oddly enough, I've watched a lot of home

So, it's kind of a sad state of affairs.

It's happened to us, even though that's everyone.

I don't know about you.

Thank you, Nelson.

Supervisor Andrews, go over here.

We're out of the volume.

We're out of the volume.

We're all together.

We obviously also have done our money, our tax rates.

I think that's keeping the tax rates the same, of course, since 2013, like,

average increase in assessments.

So it may be more prominent, but it's a balanced budget.

It covers the school needs, it covers a lot of other things, and I think it's all pretty good about it at the end.

A little last minute changes trying to increase the threshold amounts for, or the maximum amounts of income for elderly and disabled to leave, but not a big thing at that time.

And in our most recent meeting yesterday, we heard about the impact of the defense industry on our region.

Well, the Cooper Center, their presentation, that's part of the committee, and then they did a presentation, they maintained the presentation for us.

And the bottom line is $1.2 million in that.

and about half of that, Rivanna Station, so those will be in Greene County, right there.

And there are a lot of other factors that went into that, of course, even with Jack's schools and things like that, but the amount just going on with Rivanna Station, and I don't know if we're going into contracts, it was amazing to make.

And in fact, a lot of course, kind of scary to the second biggest

Dryer in the area.

More nimble, I would say, than University of Virginia in terms of whether it will remain that or how it will change in the future.

I will leave the last item that I wanted to talk about.

So by the gallon, it was a discussion of affordable housing ordinance that

Tucker Turner, I think Mike Endopper thought we were going at the beginning, but not that we need to.

Just to build on that, we got the rate the same for property tax.

We also got our vehicle tax, the low property tax down where we moved that down a year before.

So while car values have continued to actually decline, but not at the pace that they went up,

We had to equalize that in the same revenue that we collected last year.

We would have had to increase that tax rate, but we decided to just leave that where it's at until the values come down.

The EOD report, the Defense Industry Report, if you're interested in, I mean obviously you're interested in the defense industry and how that impacts the region, it's a great report to read, but also the analysis and

that Logan Cooper did about how you can look at the indirect value add and you can apply it to any industry in your area.

So jurisdiction was looking at, well, what's the analysis, what's the methodology behind the report?

I think you would find interest in that, even to looking at land use, not just economic development activity, but how an undeveloped piece of property, if it's developed, what that means,

from a direct and direct value add to the local economy.

And then I did note the messaging and communications piece that you said, how do we get it through?

I mean, I think maybe that's something the regional housing partnerships committed on communication, the communications committee could take on.

So bring that up in our next executive committee meeting.

The item on affordable housing that Supervisor Andrews mentioned is that on the 18th of April, we were to have us

We have an affordable dwelling unit ordinance in front of us.

We have been fighting for almost two years to get to our housing Albemarle policy, which requires 20% units for redevelop and then get the AMI from 80% down to 60%.

And it's been on hold because we don't have, everybody's in agreement that there need to be developer incentive to help them get to those marks, get to those performance points.

And the developer, we have one grant that's been defined that the board actually went ahead and used forward, but paused until we go through and talk more about developer incentives.

But we were hearing from a lot of folks in the nonprofit and for-profit world that we just weren't there yet for developer incentives.

So I asked my board,

I think where Albemarle stands with the work they've done over incentives, take it to the Regional Housing Partnership and let them turn on it, have a turnaround in the work session there once or twice.

See what comes up.

The Regional Housing Partnership has for-profits, not-for-profits, members of the public, elected staff, all included in it.

So, it's really a good venue for the partnership or a good place to have a policy item like that

you know, put it in like a think tank environment almost.

I'm sure Keith will want to make comments on this as well when we get through Fluvanna.

But it will be the first time that the partnership will have a jurisdiction bring something like that to them, say, hey, be that sounding board, kind of brainstorm on this.

And then the thought is the regional housing partnership and the work down there will go back to the Baltimore County board and planning commission for a work session before it runs through

The Planning Commission and the Supervisor to hopefully get to approval.

So I'm grateful the Executive Committee of the Regional Housing Partnership approved to do that work.

And we're in development, Keith, with a big point on it, just because I'm Representative Albemarle, Keith is the current Vice Chair, but the staff, Christine, Ian Baxter, and we will do with everybody that's already partnership members to hopefully get a robust

I'm excited for that.

And hopefully it can be a blueprint for the rest of the jurisdictions to look at it.

Okay, here's how we could take something to the partnership.

It's certainly been part of our presentations that we've made to different boards.

This is how it could work.

And it's not that the partnership would go back out and go, here's what you should do, or making policy decisions or even recommendations.

but it's just providing information so that the jurisdiction can decide, okay, now what do we do with this?

We'll move to Charlottesville.

Yeah.

Planning Commission have been working on the zoning ordinance, which will be sent to council for approval.

I should say they're working on obsessions with the council.

I think the plan is to try to present a draft ordinance by

It seems like the end of the summer for adoption.

I think we're really struggling with, maybe in addition to the conversation around affordability, it's like, will a certain market-led bonus for affordability program actually result in affordability?

And I think there's some really important conversations around that that we need to

We're proposing up-zoning, increasing density in the hopes of increasing affordability, but I'm not sure we're there yet in terms of our plan.

We know that new development cannot build without subsidy, cannot build forwardly without subsidy, so I'm always

I'm back here on the reservation, interested in rehabilitation, preserving existing thousands of staff.

We passed our annual budget.

Some of the major investments were investment in modernizing and fully renovating Newport Middle School.

We recently funded the housing authority acquiring the Dogwood housing portfolio, which is a portfolio of 74 housing units that they'll be able to

both preserve as affordable, pair with vouchers to bring down to zero to 30% AMI, and long-term redevelop those sites to build more housing units there.

Our total annual investment in affordable housing in our budget this year was $18 million, which I believe is the highest per capita affordable housing investment, not only in the state of Virginia, but on the East Coast and one of the highest in the country.

I will friendly challenge other localities to just match 50% of our per capita investment in affordable housing.

And I think likewise, our zoningly right is going on.

Behind the original timeline is still progressing as Commissioner Russell touched on our last work session, we really discussed the affordable housing component of it.

And there's a lot of complexities there

Mitchell Russell touched on in terms of we know we need increased density, but how do you tackle that head on while looking at certain areas where gentrification and displacement pressures exist?

How do you structure inclusionary zoning?

So it's interesting to hear Albemarle's proposal, our draft inclusionary zoning proposal is 10% affordable units required at 60% AMI or below for 99 years.

and we haven't looked at other incentives to bump that up further.

Oh, and we got the presentation of the consolidated plan on Monday.

For white families, that number is $83,000.

In the discussion about affordable housing, that means the average black family in our region makes 50% of AMI.

So when we talk about housing, economic development, historically most of what we talk about is completely left out, the average black family.

I guess the most excited thing we can go on right now is the Republican prompt.

That's a sad way, isn't it?

Yes.

We'll be glad to know.

Yeah.

I bet she's going to think of it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

I need to get her to talk about it.

Gjorgjievski, and some of my friends, there's no joke, there's five or six vlogs, and it's from the same day, and it was the father's father put so much money into this that once his daughter landed in the

And if you do, you're not going to get the exposure that you think would give you a lot of advantage.

So I'll be there when that's over with.

Now budget, all of a sudden, that balance, but you know, the balance is going to be there with me.

We need the dollars, and we need the money, and we need to pay it, and get that spending.

But then we have a variant, and I'll tell you how that goes.

Meany, so we backed up, and for some reason, we're not going to touch the break.

So we're playing all kinds of games, and the starts went down by 100 percent in the 90s, and leading the race, and doing that kind of stuff, but I don't think I know why in the last couple of weeks.

I'm not real sure.

We've got a whole lot to do with that.

Anyway, the economic development thing we've got is in the standing edge all the way towards migration.

Well, you pretty much have

Well, we did drop the tax rate for the rebate by 5%.

We dropped it at 3 cents to 69 cents.

So we're fascinated with 69 cents this year.

That's where we dropped it.

It changed a little bit.

It's now been called an average, it will be called a minimum change.

We're talking about it given by 10% of the building size.

We're coming up with roughly $3 million, which is going to be very sensitive, probably going to change it to $6 million.

I hate to hear it, but your brain is what you're supposed to use.

But for some crazy reason, that's great.

We've got to do these games, you know what I mean?

There is, yeah.

And apparently, you and I, and the other five members of the students, people in the world, according to our citizens.

We've been pretty good.

Yeah.

back under King George and Tom Mindy all with her in shock.

I mean, it's been a pretty vicious and roadies of talking with him in the budget.

And I just had a gentleman who showed up at my doorstep today who made me get out of the budget.

Because I'm part of the budget, technology budget.

And he was trying to convince me, you know, people were talking about the pedestrian one, and we got an AOT.

actually be lower than just a lot of the bar that got it.

The maximum is $65,000.

We would be at $60,000 in a year.

And misinformation is

But it's been pretty hot and we'll be so hopefully we'll try it again and we'll keep our cranny in our gummy.

There was one other thing I was going to say.

Oh, solar has been

Not doing so well in our county with our planning commission.

Our planning commission, the last two projects have voted it down.

They've been really hard on solar.

The last one I thought was the best project we've seen before.

There's two proposed ones over by Fokker Counterplastics outside the town of Oregon.

One is a turkey farm that's 140 acres and one's going to be a small project, only 40 acres.

And people from Albemarle

We're getting a lot of guests with people in Admiral people, Tony, and sending letters that do not want it because it's sitting right on Louise Admiral.

I've heard many small ones.

To add on the solar, we started seeing this in some of the housing conferences that we're going to.

Most, a lot of, especially in the last home purchases,

Clients are requiring 30 amp hookups for their future EVs, electric vehicles, as well as the solar capability in the future.

So we're getting a lot of scenarios where we're just putting four solar panels on it.

And just for the sense of in the future, when they need to add another 20, they already have the ability to add it on.

So the solar conversation is going to get even more real in the next decade as things change.

So that's probably going to help people keep it quiet, keep it in our family.

Oh, they've been quite wild.

Last meeting, like this Monday night, with the whole team, but in

Sinebrol, and we have not voted on our budget yet, we have our budget, but we've been holding off trying to wait to see if the state does anything so we don't have to go back and do amendments.

So I'm not quite sure if we'll get that far down the road or if we'll just wait down and go ahead and get it done.

I think that's it.

I think that's it.

I think that's it.

I think that's it.

I think that's it.

It should be under planning conditions.

We did our budget.

Our Eagle Library would have been $0.77.

I was getting $2.2 million in school, which was a pretty big ask.

And that was driven in large part by the compensation study that was done.

The schools were not, the school staffs were not being paid at a competitive rate in Scranton County.

So that's a big lose.

Gjorgjievski, and the other kind of money.

So that happened.

But it was a good thing.

And the school board did a good job of promoting and advocating and continuing to come to the board meeting and explain a lot about this.

from that same one.

So it's nice to have it filed over.

Lower the tax rate.

Lower the tax rate.

Right, of course.

That's an old break.

Yeah.

And the budget also included funding for energy and taking over EMS services in Santa Clara County.

So that was a pretty big thing for us to do.

Contreras, so that's what those are two new big sort of investments in that standpoint.

And we adopted based on the assumption that the case is going to do a 7% tax increase.

The county attorney, Fred Payne, was known to be a guy almost 26 years, I think, just retired.

He is currently serving as an employee of the county.

He is interned up there, and he'll actually hire somebody.

He retired from private practice, which was probably his name for us.

We feel very excited about the fact that it's a friendly and in-house council.

We can't even go into some other place for speed.

We go out in development, we can use a bit of absolute interesting opportunities.

Can't go to public, but that's okay.

If you have a conversation about solar as well too, we're just going to throw the same thing.

Because this was more of a preliminary discussion, we can have a debate against it, but I do have a bit more activity around that.

There's information as part of it as well, too.

If you continue to see what the push for was, it would be more accountable

And for, I think, probably about $16 to $17 per foot all.

We'll be getting $23 million a month.

Oh.

Yeah.

It's not a golf course, but it's still pretty expensive.

I have a property that I have 10, not 10, but I have an applicant who had a credit record and paid cash back for the entire year, but he sold his property.

And I was also in a plus two vaccine.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

First and foremost, thank you for allowing me to do this remotely today.

It was greatly appreciated.

Then hearing all this housing affordability conversation, it's interesting to actually listen to the meeting when you're not there.

It's a unique experience on it.

Look back to the city incentive, Albemarle County incentive,

You know, at the end of the day, this is what I think the Regional Housing Partnership was built to do.

It's going to be a heavy lift, particularly for staff.

But I would encourage Michael or anybody, it will be open for public once we get the who, what, when and where set up.

So please come and I think one of the ideas

is to use this for other jurisdictions if they need it.

Staying on the housing conversation a little bit on some of the earlier presentations, I also happen to chair the Piedmont Community Land Trust and talking about how a little bit of dollars can make a huge impact.

Albemarle County reported in, I think a couple of meetings ago, that they were able to give the land trust $625,000 and in 12 months,

We put 12, 65% AMI buyers into homes generating almost $4 million worth of brand new homes.

So it works.

It needed all the four pillars to make it happen, but it happened.

As far as the DOD or the defense presentation, I also attended that and read that.

If you have not read that document, it's pretty awesome.

To Jim's point, or I think it was Ned, maybe, it could be translated into different areas.

I dropped into the feed, there was a Housing Virginia report done in 2015 about the cost on local government for housing.

And Mr. Chairman, I think at some point I'm going to be pushing the button a little bit that the Regional Housing Partnership should be producing something similar for our region.

So when folks are opposing projects, we have actual data to support one way or the other, whatever it comes out at.

But I'm excited about trying to help on this Regional Housing Partnership and the developer incentive.

I think it's going to be a great template

for other jurisdictions to use.

I just really wanted to comment on some of the points that Jesse made about housing costs, having the volatility, wages.

Wages are also the key.

And along jurisdictions, it's not the same.

And that was kind of, as I was reading through the whole report, that was really what I was driving at.

I would be really interested to see what the statistics are on the relative increase of wages and of housing prices per year, which that is what I was driving.

And again, you really made a live story about what's going on in Nelson.

It might not be the same as what's going on, but it wouldn't be the same.

As to what's going on in the known jurisdiction.

That's all I can think of.

It's been pretty exhausting here.

I'm so glad that I guess.

And Louisa, how much of your day is this year for us?

and Steve Lang, my own time, Christine Gjorgjievski, we're meeting on a crowd full of people there.

So, I'll pause with it.

Our comp plan workshop is coming up and we'll go through our comp plan and respond.

One of the things we have here are some things you mentioned, that overlay is actually in our comp plan.

We had a discussion on that.

We had a lot of discussion with the system on clustering.

Good clustering is when, for example, you pay thousands of people.

You know, let's say you have a home for five acres, you have 40 acres, so you have eight homes, you have eight homes for every five-acre lot, open all homes together to the area to preserve the other part of the natural habitat.

For some reason, you can see this at the destruction of the rural environment.

Well, I don't know if you can try to explain it individually, but they'll seem to brag that, so to avoid it, we're all public hearing, we're all mentioned by all of them, I mean, I know a lot of them,

The DOD presentation will soon be out on Tuesday, and I don't think the government will be there for the same preservation or other review.

In part of a broken record scenario, RSA, we're still in RSA, we're waiting for, I think it's the city of Spinal Fish to get out, and we're closed, we're very close, like when you see light in the tunnel, family and county administrator are very close,

Over the next month, I'd say, one, they can vote no time at all.

Play it a little bit easier.

We're very close on that.

We did approve a tower for most of the services, and that was a very mild discussion as well.

As everybody knows, people like that tower is in their backyard.

The EMS, we approved it.

In the middle of the story, we went back and said, we can discuss this, we can discuss this, and we already voted on it.

I'm not sure if I can address that.

Louisa, you did make our conversation, but the five of them were challenging because we had to be emailing from people who were at a legal visa showing.

I'm probably explaining to individuals that the equal deviation for Greene County is $0.66.

The actual rate is $0.82.

It was ordered back right down to $0.73.

Our sentence is 32 years.

We're at 45%.

It was pretty much equivalent to what I think Louisa did at your meeting over a two-year timeframe.

and I mentioned on the lookout, we said we're not learning tax rate, we're not learning tax rate, we're not even getting close to depreciation, we're not learning tax rate, we're not even getting tax increase.

That also fell in debt here to some people.

We have individuals who talk about the religion at war and what can be part of it.

They have a relative mission behind it.

They always felt the mission is taxation, but they have representation.

And so,

We're doing a compensation study as well and we're still doing that so we'll do a financial compensation study for that.

So we'll get ours open soon unless we do that.

We've got the money in the budget exactly like that.

This year we had something like 1.2 million dollars

We'll probably have to put that in as soon as possible.

One of the things you may have heard of is the news.

Last year, it was about $40,000 for a revenue generated by a tax group of 12 years.

That did not materialize.

So that was pretty technical and tactile right there.

So, and we're also looking at this money toward a government improvement plan, not much.

So that will be a start.

We're trying to negate huge calls going forward.

And we're also looking at

I've also got new facility fees that we pay for our water.

Right now we have facility fees that each individual water user pays for $30 a month.

Our goal is to go away with that.

Once we get it over, in order of authority, we plan on increasing the rates based on water usage.

And so it won't be a one-in-one transfer, but it shouldn't save a lot of money on that rate.

We have that virtual environment tax saved.

Ours is a lot.

There's a pot.

We did reach out to the Commissioner of Revenue and tried to verify, for example, how it's perfect to raise corporation and law.

I mentioned the comments we had in the meeting, and I got to send the thoughts back.

So the question we had is based on the amount of particular revenue that it raised over our normal.

This happened to us that we had small businesses that are being taxed for their relief, and they're concerned that their rates may be as it was a year ago, and that can actually drive small businesses

Powell, and so that's concerned me again as well.

The voting rights act is great, we have a public opinion on the budget, we are going to have a vote on the budget, with our understanding there's a job that will be there for us, and our budget is being, because we're not happy with the fact that a fund or a budget was met, which, you know, it was established during the budget process, so I guess, you know, I don't know why I wasn't involved earlier,

And it is where it was when we did that.

So we're not at the woods yet in the budget, so hopefully soon.

I never really had one, but it was 7% increase for our staff.

So that's where we are right now.

I'm just going to let you think here.

How did it all come to our city?

How did it all come to our city?

Thank you.

Well, our next meeting is June 1st, 1.3.

And then I also wrote down, I'll put in the same email, the home data that Lori Jean had broken out by jurisdiction, and we'll follow up to see if we can see wage versus.

I'm going to call out again the economic outlook report that we had received in the fall, because I still ponder that it said when we came out of the Great Recession, the Charlottesville, Albemarle, the Maine that they called the region, that was part of the Charlottesville in a more regional time of the season.

Up until then, the local area, and I think this is true for the Stanton-Wingsboro area,

The average wages were above average state and federal wages.

But when we came out of the recession, we dipped below the state and the feds back then.

This is like 2012 area.

Now we continue to grow and everybody else kind of did the same thing.

But that split from being above the state and the feds to below, I'm still trying to understand what exactly that means in an area where now we see what's happening with property

that they went from maybe being, I guess they'd still be chasing that, but it's the gap got even further.

And I don't fully comprehend exactly why that occurred back then, but it's in that economic report that we did it this fall with Virginia Tech, what was the consultant on?

So when you call that out, I don't think I've even revisited that report myself, because I have wage cases that are part of where we're all from.

There's a quorum meeting somebody mentioned.

I think Luke mentioned the non-profit quorum meeting.

What time?

That's what I want to know.

It's usually Friday, especially Wednesday.

We haven't adjourned that.

We're going to send out a poll to make sure we get everyone present, but we'll follow up with that.

All right, then I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

All right, all in favor, say aye.

Thank you.