Planning District Commission Meeting   2/2/2023

Good evening everyone.

I'm going to call the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission to order for our Thursday, February 2nd, 2023 7 p.m. meeting.

Here.

Supervisor Barlow?

Supervisor Reed?

Supervisor Rutherford?

Present.

So Supervisor Rutherford and Barlow,

Let us know they would not be able to join.

Counselor Payne, if they finish up, is in a budget meeting with the city council, will arrive an hour late if they remain on schedule.

And then Supervisor O'Brien will likely be joining us online.

That's what we're expecting.

Thank you, Ruth.

That is correct.

Thank you, sir.

All right, the motion's been made and seconded.

All in favor, say aye.

Any opposed?

All right, we'll move to matters from the public.

Any members of the public here?

Speak up.

Okay.

Any online?

Staff online.

We will move to... Good evening, everybody.

This is Gorjan.

Body, yes.

Good evening, sir.

Ian, I think you're up first in my public hearing.

Home draft allocation plan.

Good evening.

Ruth, would you mind pulling up the PowerPoint?

All right.

Good evening commissioners.

My name is Ian Baxter.

I'm the regional housing planner here at the TJPDC.

Tonight we are having a public hearing for our home ARP draft allocation plan, coinciding with the end of our public comment period, which began on January 18th and is finishing this evening.

I'm going to briefly go through what is in the draft allocation plan, what is home ARP

and hopefully answer any questions you might have about the process or work product we've produced.

And then I guess we will open it up for a public hearing.

I guess someone will do that in the room, but next slide.

So HOMARK in 2021, you guys are probably very familiar with the American Rescue Plan, provided a lot of different one-time funding to localities, but as a

Component of that $5 billion in ARP funds was administered through the Home Investment Partnerships Program, which is a HUD-administered affordable housing development and rehabilitation program.

Basically, there are four separate types of activities and four qualifying populations.

So the four QPs, qualifying populations, are homeless individuals, those at risk of homelessness, those fleeing or attempting to flee domestic violence, dating violence, sexual assault or human trafficking, stalking or human trafficking,

and part of other populations where providing supportive service or assistance would prevent a family's homelessness or would serve those with the greatest risk of housing instability.

and then veterans or families that include a veteran family member that meet any of the criteria one through four above.

So these activities that are eligible under this grant are development and support of affordable housing, TBRA, tenant-based rental assistance, provision of supportive services and acquisition and development of non-congregate shelter units.

And so localities within each of these QPs are allowed to put in preferences.

So it's basically a priority for the selection of applicants who fall into one of these.

Essentially, a good example of that would be an elderly individual or persons with disabilities.

So basically can name some populations within these to receive assistance.

Next slide, please.

So this is the allocation.

It's basically a $2.4 million one-time allocation.

The TJPDC is receiving 15% of the award, around $360,000 for planning and admin costs.

And then the remaining funding per the cooperative agreement that governs the home consortium splits the funding evenly across the six localities.

So that number is 347,404.92.

There's a 90% actually I think the numbers the first number under program 90% is the correct number but localities are able to spend 5% and 5% on capacity if they subcontract or have a subgrantee for this grant on capacity building and then operations and then the remaining 90% must be spent on programmatic.

So in order to submit a draft allocation plan, a gap in needs analysis had to be conducted.

So this is basically a required consultation with agencies and service providers whose clientele include these QPs to identify the needs and gaps in housing or service delivery systems, basically provide information so that localities can make an educated decision on how to allocate this fund.

And so we contracted with PES, Partners for Economic Solution.

It's a consulting firm that I believe we worked with on the housing needs assessment for the region itself.

They conducted interviews and consultations over the summer of 2022, and then they produced a written draft product with all of the gaps and needs analysis per HUD regulations in August of last year.

And so this is just a brief overview of some of the organizations that PES spoke with.

As you can see, it was pretty conclusive.

I don't have the exact number, but I believe it was between 20 and 30 organizations that they consulted to produce this draft document.

And so this is the allocation plan.

So this is how the localities have decided to use the ARP funding.

You'll notice the majority of the funds will be used to develop new affordable rental housing for these QPs, as well as provide nonprofit operating and capacity building to organizations conducting that affordable housing development, as well as supportive services focusing on keeping people housed and providing other resources to individuals.

And on the next slide, you'll be able to see the specific activities.

And I'll go through these briefly.

Albemarle chose to allocate their funds to BRAC, the Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the Homeless, which will be providing supportive services for medically homeless individuals.

Charlottesville will be releasing an RFP to fund development of affordable rental housing.

Both Fluvanna and Louisa have a very similar development.

That's going to be happening in each respective locality, but eight affordable rental units for seniors at greatest risk of housing instability, as well as nonprofit capacity and operating expenses to Fluvanna Louisa Housing Foundation.

Greene County DSS, Department of Social Services, will be

providing supportive services with a preference on elderly and children with families.

And then finally in Nelson County, NCCDF or the Nelson County Community Development Foundation will be developing four affordable rental units for seniors at greatest risk of housing instability, as well as taking advantage of the nonprofit capacity and operating expenses or funds that per the grant.

And so our next steps after this public hearing is incorporate anything we've heard from the public comment period and tonight's public hearing, transmit it to HUD.

There's a due date by March 31st of this year, but we're looking to send it over to HUD by the end of this month or maybe the first week of March.

They have a 45 day review period.

And then after we hear back from them, assuming everything looks okay, we'll begin to start creating projects with an IDIS, which is the HUD system.

I will say this grant the timeline it extends until 2030 but there's a certain amount of time that there are different time horizons for each activity once you enter it into IDIS so I don't have them in front of me but I believe you know for example if you say you're going to deconstruct affordable rental housing once you start that project it's a few years rather than that full you know seven years at this point but localities do have some time to

Questions for Ian or comments?

Keith, I want to add on.

As the chair of the Central Virginia Regional Housing Partnership, Keith and I have been going around to the different localities to do some presentation on that work, which we'll probably share more about in the roundtable.

But one of the things that we talk about is that each jurist, while the issue of affordable housing is regional,

The partnership is designed to help with sharing and communication and collective effort.

The jurisdictions remain or retain the ability to figure out what they want to do policy-wise and action-wise.

However, I mean, that's a good example of how each jurisdiction can decide how to utilize with the support of the regional housing partnership to do what they need to do within their own.

I mean, I remember this one was like an equalized portion.

It wasn't, you know,

I'd have to add that into the road show.

There you go.

Awesome.

All right, Ian, so we need to open the public hearing and ask if anyone, there's nobody in the room here for the public hearing.

Is there anyone online that would like to speak in the public hearing?

Gotcha, I would remember him.

So he's calling for an action after all.

And I forget your direction sometimes from later.

All right, very good.

Ian, thank you.

and we will move to number three presentations.

Ms. Jacobs.

I'm pleased to introduce you guys to Curtis Scarpinato.

He is joining the PDC as a regional transportation planner.

He'll be working on both urban and rural transportation and staffing the MBO.

I know you guys know how excited I am, but this puts us fully staffed for the first time since I've been in this position.

So we are really excited to welcome Curtis and he has done an incredible job hitting the ground running.

Do you want to say something?

Sure.

Hello, everyone.

I am excited to work with all of you.

Just a little background about me.

I miss the Duke alum part.

Thank you.

I'm the VODI permanent director at TJPDC.

And I'm just here to give you a little bit on the project.

I was here before you back in November.

Thank you.

So as you can see by this slide, this is just a slide of our regional area for this grant.

It's 13 counties, it's 36 months.

We're doing this project with our partner,

Part of their Regional Internet Service Expansion, or RISE program.

So you may hear it out in the field as a RISE program.

It has many different aspects of working together to bring fiber broadband internet to these 13 counties.

By the numbers, it's a $288 million project.

$79 million is coming from the state DHC.

Partners, which are 13 counties and utilities.

You see there, we have 13 counties.

There are four utility partners.

Again, it's a three-year project.

And at the end of the day, 36,000 businesses and residents will have access to this high-speed fiber broadband.

So I just want to share with you a few highlights.

In December, we had a stakeholder meeting, which is when we get together every quarter,

at this meeting and what we do is all the utilities provide updates on their part of the project.

We also heard from DHCD and then Firefly providing a lot of information about their communication process and how to use their internet website to understand information about your specific counties and where projects are.

There's a lot of mini projects within this large project and you can find out information about very specific areas.

The other thing I wanted to mention is an important function that TJPDC does for this project is financial management.

There's a lot of moving parts with this funding.

And since November, we reviewed, verified, and submitted our first set of commitments requests, DHCD, and several of the counties.

And then we received and processed our first set of reimbursements and set up procedures to do that as we move forward with the project.

An important thing about this is

meaning that we're doing this on behalf of our partners and our counties free of cost so we view the invoices into a lot of the work that many county departments of finance will have to do so we're doing that on behalf of the counties in this project.

So I just wanted to share pictures

Runstreet, and he was able to talk with construction workers, see something that we call main ready in the field, and that's to get the poles ready to hold the fiber, and also see some fiber placement on the poles.

The picture on the left, you can see, I don't know if you can see it from where you're sitting, but there's like a little circle of like black fiber rolled up, and if you see that on a pole, that means something good is coming.

So sometimes I'm driving and I see that, you know,

It doesn't mean nothing is unfinished.

It means they have the fiber ready to move forward.

We were in Palatine County in December and this visit was neat because DHCD, the state, does site visits all throughout the state of the project and they came to Palatine County and we were able to join them.

You can see our own Ruth Emerick in the center of the picture there.

We had some of the large equipment

And then you can see the picture on the left side.

Again, the top corner is of us in the communication hub, which is a real detailed part of the project where the fiber is so small and there's where the splicing and all the very secure and very clean area to where a lot of the fiber activities take place.

We also saw some fiber being pulled down through the VDOT right away.

We saw also construction maps

and I had a really nice site visit.

DHDD thought it was a really great visit that we provided.

The picture on the left bottom is a pedestal and that's looking inside the pedestal and understands more about what that is.

So that's another good sign when you see those white green boxes.

And then in January we were in Louisa County

If you see the straw, that's underground fiber that's been placed in a neighborhood and that means it's ready to be installed into those who choose to use the fiber and want to hook up to the internet.

On the bottom right is a drill.

It's another way that you can put underground fiber, round rather than pulling the plow.

It doesn't disturb the earth as much, so we're able to see the

I was very excited about the fiber in their area and got to speak with them.

The other thing that we do is every month we provide milestone data to the state.

We also provide it out to the counties.

This is the data overall for the project and this shows you the number of miles of data, the miles of work that's been done and all the categories of the project.

A couple of important things, the word passings means we're passing

That really concludes my information about the 22 project, but we are applying for 23

Cumberland, Greene, and Madison that qualified for this grant.

We're asking for $13 million, and it's a $23 million project.

Again, some strong match coming from the partners.

We expect to hear soon on this grant.

It's supposed to be mid-February, so I'm sure Christine will let you know.

We're awaiting this grant, so we're hopeful that we can continue our work and do it even a little bit further than we are.

If you click on your seal, you see your county seal, click on the seal, then you can go into specific sub projects that are going on in your counties.

Click on them further, then you can see information about the communications being sent out to the residents and other details on their progress.

And then keep it updated about every two weeks.

And that concludes my information.

Thank you.

Questions here?

I'd love to, if I may, take a moment to just give a kudos to Lori and Gorjan and the whole team.

They've learned more about broadband than I think we ever thought we would as an agency.

And part of our job is to get into the weeds and verify all expenditures and review hundreds and hundreds of pages of invoices to confirm that what's being recorded to us is actually what's being spent and to go out in the field and make sure the work is actually being completed where it's being recorded to us.

So I've been really, really grateful and pleased for the work that they're doing.

Since Jesse isn't here, I'm going to brag on the internet, Fluvanna County.

I texted him and said I was going to say he said it was okay.

Shout out, I live in Fluvanna County and shout out to Firefly.

You know, the, my internet didn't work at my house all of a sudden.

And I got on, messaged the Firefly, and I had people over the house pretty quickly.

And, you know, the old excuse, the dog ate my homework.

Well, it turned out a mouse

Alright, we will move to the next item, which is the Fiscal Year 24 Rideshare Working Program, grant application of Fiscal Year

Thank you guys for having me here.

It is often customary for me to present and to speak with you guys right as the grant period is ending.

So we're going to talk a little bit about what's in your packet, both of the grant applications.

So we had two this year, so that's

and then we have a grant for a technical assistance program through RPT to help us complete the strategic plan.

So just gonna give a little bit of a background and an overview on ride share.

Some of you have heard this many times, for some of you this will probably be new and confusing, so bear with me.

A lot because a picture is worth a thousand words.

These photos were taken when

The world shut down for the pandemic.

And it's just a really great example, I think, of seeing how eliminating car traffic or reducing that can have tangible effects.

And I just think these images are so powerful.

CM is a piece of the climate action puzzle.

Our main goal or our mission at Rideshare is to reduce traffic congestion in single occupancy vehicles.

and this can be the results potentially.

This snapshot here I took today of the dashboard that we have for our ride matching and trip planning platform.

So this is something that several of the what we call commuter assistance programs in the state have to both facilitate carpool matching, vanpool coordination, as well as trip

They can log any alternative trips they take.

So that also includes transit.

That also includes biking.

That also includes remote work.

If you are doing the cleanest commute of all and just staying home and working from there.

So this is some of the results.

Once you register, you actually get your own personal dashboard that shows all of this information.

But this is just kind of the stats for the area.

As you can see, it breaks it down to

you know, the number of emissions saved, the number, the dollar amount, $674,292 is what our commuters have saved by taking alternative forms of transportation.

And so I just think it's really interesting to go and see this and it's updated automatically as folks log their trip in the app.

This is kind of what you can do it on your telephone, you can do it on the website,

But basically, and you can set reoccurring trips, but it gives folks the idea to help us build some data.

And the beautiful thing, the more trips you log, the more points you get that you can cash in for rewards.

So that's kind of our way of helping make sure that we're getting that self-reported data.

So that's one of the large component areas that we have.

The other big part of the Rideshare program is our

So most people say the reason that they are hesitant to try alternative transportation to and from work is what if something happens and I get stuck and I don't have my car?

So the Guaranteed Right Home program is the answer to that.

I like to call it an insurance policy.

It's there in case you need it, but most likely most people never actually even have to cash in.

So it is there for anyone who takes two trips on alternative transportation a week to and from work

They sign up.

It is right now a separate database.

We're hoping to eventually make that more of a statewide program as well.

But they would then receive a voucher that they can use for a taxi company here in the area.

Something happens, let's say they become ill while they're at work.

They didn't drive.

All they have to do is call the taxi company and give them that voucher with some information filled out that we provide to them and their ride back to their car or their home is taken care of for free.

So it does seem to be, like I said, the number one deterrent.

So we're very happy to offer that particular program.

Through promotions and the things that we did in FY23, we celebrated with our partners over at CSPDC the one year anniversary of the Afton Express commuter bus that happened in September.

That has been a huge, exciting development for TDEM in this particular area.

I'm sure as many of you know a lot of our commuters come from the Stanton-Greensboro area and that is who this particular bus route service is.

We actually just got news yesterday afternoon about some new hours and routes that will be running with the active express so stay tuned we'll be posting that soon.

They have expanded to accommodate the hospital workers, the 12-hour shift workers a little bit more with that route.

In addition, we celebrated Rideshare Month in October.

This was especially nice, so we have always celebrated either Rideshare Week or Rideshare Month in October.

But this year, the state decided that they wanted to celebrate a year statewide from all of the Commuter Assistance Programs.

So we got to be in on the ground floor and helping DRBT look at what type of marketing and promotions they wanted to do for Rideshare Month.

And then in the spring, we have Clean Commute Month

and then we also have Bike Month and those two are kind of synonymous because biking is a very clean commute but essentially anyone who participates in that, this past year we had them upload pictures of their clean commute to social media and then we drew for prizes for that and we celebrated five winners with that particular challenge during the month of May.

Some other exciting things that have happened with Rideshare is we have developed a lot of new marketing.

Last year we were

We're working with a local company to look at new and different ways we could be marketing to update a lot of our marketing.

So we have new brochure designs.

We have new bus ad designs that will hopefully be going up in the cat buses very, very soon.

They gave us a lot of good information about social media and how to really harness and use that to reach folks asking to do this very large behavior change.

And then once the big things that we kind of already knew,

is that we needed to develop a media content library.

So we need local photos of our park and ride lots, of our commuters, of our buses.

And then more importantly, we needed video because video has a 95% retention rate of information.

And we did not currently have video.

So that is one of the big things that now that the grant applications are done, we're starting the process of securing our companies for that.

and hopefully they will be out taking pictures and shooting a beautiful, lovely video come spring.

Coming up for FY24, which is for the grants that you have in your packets there.

We have a regular operating grant, which is just running the program like we do every year.

And then a new requirement from DRPT is a five-year strategic plan.

And this plan is really going to look at

data in the area.

It's going to be very data driven as to what commuting patterns are, how many folks are really making trips throughout the region to and from work, and it will also look at further identifying the target markets of what those commuters look like, why they choose to make the choices that they do, and those particular behaviors.

And then the idea is after some stakeholder meetings, we're kind of going to re-look at our vision, our mission, and then come up with goals and objectives for the next five years as to what we really want this program to look like.

You know, a lot has changed.

So it wasn't taken into account in any plans that we had done previously.

So I think it's a really good opportunity and a really good time to look and to delve into this, especially with changes in social media and reaching folks that way.

So we're really excited to take a deep dive into examine what can make this program be really successful.

We will continue the promotion of all the DRPT initiatives so Rideshare Month I think I saw on some information that they put out that there's going to have a little bit of a name change since there are programs called Rideshare they wanted to sound a little bit more conducive so I think it's going to be DRPT Connects.

There's also Discover Transit Month which we have participated with in the past.

Jones, transit riders, and make sure that they're registered for guaranteed ride home because that is a benefit that they get.

And then we are going to continue to focus on building up the app and the rewards use of the program.

Again, that is a really great way for us to be able to be looking at data from various time points to help guide the program as well.

So my wife and I live out in Fluvanna County, we work, our office is in the X building, and we build and plan our schedules around do we need to take one vehicle or two vehicles.

So when we do that, we make a decision, okay, we're gonna take one vehicle.

Is that something I can record on the app?

Most absolutely can.

Yes, you carpooling inside your own vehicle 100% counts.

You do whatever you gotta do, Keith.

Yeah, that's understood.

Awesome.

Just important to note, it's two separate grant applications that were submitted.

The new strategic plan is a new requirement.

It is a 50-50 match, but we will not be coming to our local governments for that match.

Not a question, just a comment.

I had the experience of working with some people in the medical profession yesterday and in a brief survey, which was just prompted by chit chat, found that everyone that I talked to in the staff was either Nelson County or Fluvanna County or Buckingham, Greene.

Thank you, Supervisor Andrews.

Any other questions or comments?

All right, thank you, Susan.

Thank you.

And I should have noted, Council Payne joined us much earlier, but we were expecting you being you were in a budget meeting, but that was back during Ian's presentation.

All right, then we will move to number four, our consent agenda.

We have a series of action items here.

The first contract with, is it Camoin?

Camoin Associates.

We needed to sign this contract since we don't have a meeting in January.

The Finance Executive Committee was gracious enough to give their time to review the contract and to authorize me to go ahead and undergo a contract with Des Moines Associates.

So I just wanted to include it so that you all saw the contract because it's not something that was approved within the budget.

As a FYI?

Yes.

And then we have our minutes from December 1, 2022.

Any additions or corrections or edits there?

And then the monthly financial reports.

Sure.

It'll be brief.

All of the documents were within your packet.

I'm sure you guys saw we had a very strong November and a very strong December, which is a little bit unusual.

December is a little bit of a

Munk, where we sometimes see a loss just because of the amount of vacation that's taken.

But I think November was the largest net gain we've had in a single month to date.

So I think that comes with being fully staffed and having a lot of new programs and being able to fully build all people to those programs.

But what that does mean is we're at about a 70,000 net gain to date.

Can I ask a question?

You commented at some point that you have started, you scattered out the professional development among different projects.

Does that mean that you can charge the grantor for that amount?

Yes, it does.

Good.

Second.

Second.

All right.

All right.

All in favor, say aye.

Any opposed?

Motion carries.

Thank you commissioners, it's a pleasure to be with you tonight.

I'm Sandy Shackelford, I'm the Director of Planning and Transportation for the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission and this is to give you a little bit of background information about a rate grant that we would like to apply for and a little bit later on in your agenda we're going to

to approve a resolution of support if you are so inclined to authorize us to move forward with making this funding application.

To orient you a little bit geographically, what we're talking about is a bicycle and pedestrian bridge that will cross the Rivanna River between the Pan Tops area

behind what was formerly referred to as the State Farm Property and provide a connection to the Woolen Mills Historic Development site on the west side of the river.

So the bridge is on the bottom of that picture right there.

If you can read it, it's by the letter that says A.

The Charlottesville Albemarle MPO has been working on

Planning for this bridge since 2019.

We completed the Jefferson Area Bicycle and Pedestrian Plan and immediately after that we were able to secure funding with VDOT to conduct a feasibility study which helped us identify some potential alignments for this bridge.

This bridge has come up repeatedly over at least the last 10 years if not 20 years depending on

on who has the historic knowledge of what's been happening with this project.

And it showed up in plans both for Albemarle County and the City of Charlottesville's regional plans.

So the Faithability Study in 2020.

And then that narrowed the alignments or the potential locations to potential options.

And then the MPO conducted

some additional public engagement to choose which of those alignments we would like to move forward with as far as an application through SmartScale.

This was the alignment that them here determined they would like to move forward with.

We submitted this in the most recent round of SmartScale and it worked very well.

It was evaluated and out of the 394 projects that were submitted statewide, this project just

However, it is that this is a new bridge in a location where there is no existing infrastructure.

So there's a lot of information that is just not known that makes it very risky financially to know how much it's going to cost to conduct this bridge.

For those of you who are unfamiliar when you submit a SmartScale application, you're submitting basically for the project, all phases of the project all at once.

So the preliminary engineering, which includes a lot of the environmental review, geotechnical analysis, those kinds of things,

So you don't know what the soil looks like.

You don't know what the potential impacts might be to the floodplain.

There hasn't been an environmental analysis completed today.

All of that drove up the risks.

So by the time you added all of these contingencies to account for any of the unknown risks, as well as the inflation that has to be added on, the base cost of the bridge went from 18 points, it's either 4 or 8 million, up to 42 million dollars.

So basically, what this means is that we have a lot more work that we need to do before we can move this bridge to a point where it's going to be us competitive to get funding.

And so we would like to apply for a RAISE grant in order to help us complete that preliminary engineering phase to answer some of those outstanding questions.

The RAISE grant program stands for Building American Infrastructure with Sustainability and Equity.

It's a discretionary grant program.

It's highly competitive.

covers all modes of transportation and both planning and implementation grants are available through the program.

One of the things to keep in mind is that even if the project gets the highest rating available, the discretionary aspect of this means that the DOT is looking to award grants that cover multiple mode types as well as geographic diversity.

So even if we have a very competitive and compelling application, it's still up to the discretion of the USDOT over which projects would be awarded.

Merit criteria, as shown up here on the screen, there are eight merit criteria.

In order to receive the highest rating to move forward with additional consideration, projects have to get a high score or be rated

I guess highly in six of the eight categories.

We believe that this bridge is able to do that.

We think that there are some very strong benefits of this bridge that align well with the merit criteria.

The more challenging of these would probably be the state of good repair just because it's a new project.

So there's not a state of good repair concern with the bridge, but we would obviously want it to be constructed

So it's not necessarily designed to be a particularly innovative project, but we do believe it's an important project.

This will be scored in each of the merit criteria.

Highly recommended projects are those that score in six of the eight merit criteria, then they'll be a phase one.

It's basically going to be to complete the preliminary engineering project phase that includes a number of environmental reviews.

It will ultimately result in what is referred to as 30% functional design plans.

And then the other opportunity that we have through this potential opportunity to help make this project more competitive is that once we have those design plans in place, the project could be reviewed

for value engineering, which is basically a way that engineers would review what's been developed and determine if there are other opportunities for cost savings.

So this would give this project an additional advantage for being competitive for future funding applications.

TJPDC staff would be the project sponsor and the fiscal agent, so that is why we are asking you all to support this project.

support, but we have also been communicating with VDOT, and VDOT has agreed to administer the project on our behalf.

Not at this time.

Just as a member of the MPO Policy Board who voted on the location.

That the economic development factors were the biggest driver for the location and some pushback from those who lived in the area at the alternative location.

Just to provide some information as to why we chose that.

The policy board discussed this approach that we're going to raise at our last NPO meeting and for a lot of the reasons it scored so

Part of the reason why we believe it will probably be pretty successful in achieving the grant.

The contingencies, is that the word they use for their visa?

Contingencies really drove up the cost on this.

But VDOT seems pretty excited by it because this will lower it down.

So we're confident that the RAISE grant is successful.

We could probably even go back and ask for their implementation grant as well to help with the costs after the study grant is done.

And maybe you said this, but I didn't catch.

Yeah.

So there are a few things that have happened.

For this project to have a viable path forward for any implementation funding, we just need to get the cost down.

I have a ballpark figure for you based on the smart scale application to complete the PE phase it would be about two and a half million dollars.

We'll be taking action on that here.

All right, so if no other questions or comments there, we can move to the next item under new business, draft fiscal year 23, amended operating budget.

Bringing the amended operating budget to you all this month as a draft.

As a reminder, our budget process is three part.

We come to you in September, October, two years in advance in order to set our per capita rates and our local contributions.

So that was in October of 2021.

We then get the budget approved as the operating budget in May.

That was in May of 2022.

And then we come to you with the amended budget where we have better projections on how the year will end and revise some of our

projections.

So that's what's before you tonight.

It will come back to you again next month for approval.

So this is just in draft form so that we can take any feedback.

We then will bring to you in April the draft fiscal year twenty four budget and then in May approval of the draft of the twenty four budget.

So we have four of these in a row.

A couple of notes on our budget.

It does include total projected revenue of 41 million.

So about where we thought we were going to be, we're really

Quite close to that.

We've got a couple more grants that we've received, but we're very close to what we anticipated.

I have a very conservative estimate of 52,000 as a net gain.

I will tell you, I believe it's going to be higher than that, but I still have to work through a couple of the newer grants that we got and try to figure out how much will actually occur in this fiscal year or how much will roll into next year, just depending on how long it takes for our grantors to get through the contracting process.

For our federal revenues, you will see that's probably the biggest change in the budget between the local and the federal revenues.

Many of our local jurisdictions as part of the VATI program are providing a local, all of our jurisdictions are providing a local match except Charlottesville.

And those originally were in the local category.

Many of our partners have said that that's actually going to be ARPA funding that they're using since that is federal funding, we will book it as federal revenue.

So there's just a

what was local is now federal and what was federal we've taken and increased it.

The state revenues, some difference in state revenues, regional transit vision plan.

We had some unused funds in FY22 that we were able to roll over in FY23.

So there's an increase there.

We were awarded the governance study grant that was $122,000 grant.

So there's an increase in state revenue there.

And then we are very excited to share that we were awarded the BERC 3.0 grant.

So that's $275,000.

to continue the BERT program, providing financial assistance for those working through the Financial Opportunity Center of Piedmont Housing Alliance.

So that's really great work that we're really excited that the state is continuing to pilot this.

And we're hoping that we're providing data to them to show why this could be a sustainable, why we want it to be a sustainable revenue source and expand it.

Right now it's a pilot program.

So it is only in Charlottesville and Albemarle.

Local revenues, again, the body is the largest change in the local revenues.

Same thing with the transit vision plan and the governance study.

So additional local revenue to support the local match for that.

And then some increased revenue local for the regional housing partnerships, sponsorships for the housing summit coming up in March.

And then other revenue changes, you'll see bank interest.

I'm sure all of your local jurisdictions are seeing their interest increase.

It was pretty significant here.

We were not getting very much interest on our accounts, but the Virginia investment pool has gone from

something like 1% to 4.7%.

So there's increased revenue for that.

Same with the rental space.

We're seeing a much greater increase in the demand for in-person space rental.

Can I ask you a question about the interest income?

Is it possible that we are able to leave more money in that pool than we have been able to do in the past?

Because the interest rate doesn't explain

Four times 500 is 2,000, not 30,000.

So I wonder if we're able to manage to, and I wonder if Ruth is the one who's doing it, as far as not transferring the money out until the afternoon, and therefore it stays in the pool longer.

It doesn't answer your question directly, but something that I've been talking to our finance director about is also, is there a certain amount of that that we can pull out of the liquidity pool and put into a bond for an even higher interest rate in order to make that a little bit less accessible?

It then becomes, you know, not something we're drawing from.

But also, I mean, as you guys have noticed, as these grant programs, we're getting larger and larger grants and we're having larger and larger, larger and larger

Larger and larger cash outlays, so there has been a lot more pulling down, putting it back in, pulling it back in.

Largable.

Larger and largable.

And then changes in expenses.

There is a slight decrease in the salary line item just due to vacancies that we had filled until partway through the year.

A couple increases in things like supplies.

We've had to purchase desks and computers.

I mean, our staff is now up to 17.

It was 11 when I started in this role.

Three of those are part-time.

So we've had a little bit of costs associated with getting that started up.

Decrease in the audit legal line item.

We did have increased legal expenses because of things like contracting for VODI, but decreased in audit.

We anticipated there to be an increased expense due to the VODI program, but that didn't realize this year.

We don't realize in next year's budget.

A couple of other things.

You mentioned the decrease in professional development and allocating those out to our programs.

And then overall direct expenses just show a slight decrease from $426,000 to $475,000.

That's an increase.

Hold on a second.

Let me get the number.

Increase from $426,000 to $475,000.

Excuse the error.

Overall, we do, I mean, I feel confident that we're going to have a net gain.

I actually feel confident it will be larger than this.

Yep.

Yes.

All right.

That will take us to our resolutions.

The first

Is the fiscal year 24 Rideshare Work Program application resolution.

We received a presentation on it.

All seconded.

The motion has been made and seconded.

Any further discussion?

Opposed?

The motion carries.

And the second from that same presentation is the fiscal year 24 Commuter Assist Program strategic plan application resolution.

Motion to approve.

Second.

All right.

Motion has been made and seconded.

Any further discussion?

All right.

Any opposed?

That motion carries.

And then the final resolution is to raise grant application resolution.

So moved.

Motion has been made and seconded.

Any further discussion?

All right.

Okay, I gave a pretty detailed update this time in the memo that's in your packet since we didn't have a meeting in January.

I'm not going to go through each of these, but we have had a really exciting two months here at the PDC, so I want to highlight a couple of them.

One of them is we were selected to host a VISTA member, which is an AmeriCorps staff member for a year here at the TJPDC.

There were 11 agencies that applied for the program.

Six were selected.

That VISTA member will be working with the Regional Housing Partnership to help with implementation of the strategic plan.

It does require that there's a host fee, so we would be required to pay an $8,000 host fee, which can be paid through the 729 program, but we would have them 40 hours a week for a full year.

Being awarded a VISTA member generally means that you can renew that for up to three years without having to reapply.

So that means we have the potential to have a VISTA for three years here at PEC.

Another thing we're excited about is the VRT 3.0 award that I told you of.

That's $275,000.

That does need to be spent by December 31st.

So we will be utilizing that very quickly.

The other thing I want to share is the coming back home, which is the annual housing summit that we're holding at the Omni March 24th.

I have information in your packet and a link.

If you all as commissioners are interested in attending, the PDC can cover your registration costs.

So please reach out to me if you're interested and we can get you a promo code specific to commissioners so that your registration is covered.

We're really excited about that summit coming up.

It was pretty successful the first time.

It's been a couple years since we've been able to do it because of the pandemic, so we're really excited.

Jay Grant, who is the Executive Director of LISC in Hampton Roads, is going to be the keynote speaker, and then it's going to focus on partnerships, policy, and progress.

Those are the three themes of the event.

Transportation SmartScale, as you guys have seen in your own jurisdictions, four SmartScale projects were recommended within the planning district.

I have them listed in the packet.

TJPDC was involved through the MPO applications, through the TJPDC applications, but also supported our local jurisdictions in some of their applications.

So we were really pleased to see

I need to make sure that I just clarify what I just said.

They were not awarded.

They were recommended for funding.

It still needs to go before the Commonwealth Transportation Board before that's finalized.

Mobility management.

Lucinda on our staff came and presented to you and we got your direction to go ahead and move forward with an application.

We did submit an application around $125,000 to begin to start that program.

We're going to wait and award for that.

That is on a federal fiscal year, though, so that if we were to award, receive that funding, that wouldn't begin until October 1.

Originally, we were under the impression that it was since it was through DRPT, but it is FTA funding, so it would be in October 1 if awarded.

I'm going to skip the RAISE grant.

I think the most exciting thing and something that our staff has been very proud of is we were awarded the USDOT Safe Streets and Roads for All.

I did send that to you all before putting out the press release.

O'Brien.

Total, that's a $1.07 million project when you take the federal funding and the amount that your local government supported us with the local match.

We are very excited.

The NOFO for that, the Notice of Funding Opportunity has one of the most unique phrases I've ever seen in a NOFO that said, once awards have been determined, the department will

go under contract as expeditiously and flexibly as possible.

So we have no idea when that means a contract will come.

But we will just be flexible and hope it's expeditious.

And we'll let you know when we get a contract because that will come before you all since it's a contract.

MPO and rural work plans are in development right now in May.

The MPO UPWP, Unified Planning Work Program,

will come before you all as an informational item.

The rural work program will come to you as a draft in March.

And then the ULS commissioners do approve that in your April meeting.

That's we have kicked off.

We have identified the members of the steering committee and invited them to a kickoff meeting that is upcoming.

We're really excited to get that program moving.

That was another one that was a little bit of a slow

Uptake because we had never contracted with EDA before so we had to go through a lot of like training and things to prove that we were sound financial managers.

Hazard Mitigation has now officially been approved by FEMA.

and it was before the Fluvanna Board of Supervisors earlier this week and they adopted it so that becomes our official adoption date and then there's five years from now there will be a required update to that plan.

It'll be something I'll probably bring to you all in a couple of years if you're still here with us but the way that funding for that has changed

makes it where we have to make a little bit of a decision on whether we want to continue to administer that ourselves or contract it out to a consultant.

And the reason is they do not cover indirect costs.

They will only pay us our direct expenses for staff time, salary, and fringe, which means we're not recovering the full amount.

It still pays for our staff time, but interestingly, they will cover 100% of the costs of a consultant that does the work.

And so we will have to look at the financial

piece of that and whether or not it makes sense for us to do it.

We don't have to make that decision for a couple of years though.

First, Plan the Whip.

Staff is beginning a new initiative, USDA Forest Service.

It's called a Stewardship Assessment and Mapping Project.

They're calling it the Stew Map.

I will probably ask Isabella to come talk to you all about that at some point because it is something that is a little bit new.

But she's been doing really good work in working with our local governments.

I know she's presenting recommendations for sustainable materials management waste reduction goals to Albemarle County.

So really pleased with the work that she's doing there.

RRBC in their upcoming meeting, I think we'll have a kickoff related to the student

But I still have lots to learn about that one, so I'll have her come give you some more detail on that.

Other than that, it's been a really exciting two months.

and you've been around a long time.

We'll do other business and the round table discussion by jurisdiction.

There's Thomas.

So moving from right to left.

I think we both should chat about that.

So we finished our third roadshow of the Regional Housing Partnership yesterday at Ned's board.

I think it went well.

The primary speaker did really good, the secondary speaker.

But I wanted to take an opportunity to ask Dale and Michael, from your perspective,

And from your board's perspective, how did it come across?

How did we do?

Can we do better?

I mean, I think overall, I have every sense of it.

I think overall, it was good.

I think it spurred a good conversation among the council and four of the other councilors, what the deliverables that the

I've also noticed some of the data that presented has found its way into the public conversation.

We've actually had several people, someone at a budget work session tonight and a couple other people at other city meetings who have spoken in public comment referencing some of the numbers you talked about, particularly the number about the number of people spending 50% or more of their income monthly on rent.

So it's definitely entered the

and investments.

So I think overall it was good.

I think it was good for our board to hear your comments, to see the data, to go through the process.

It's one of the things I don't think in a rural area that is forefront in everybody's thoughts.

Williams, and Keith Smith.

I think we have time for one more question.

Well, one of the things we've learned, and this is nothing against our first presentation, but 10 minutes isn't enough, 30 minutes was quite not enough.

I mean, even though every counselor pays attention to these issues.

I mean, this is a negative way at all, but traditionally, counselors are homeowners and they bought their homes decades ago.

and there may not be that kind of awareness of- It's a good conversation with Ryan.

Yeah, just exactly what the rental market is in terms of what rents are, how hard it is to become a homeowner.

So Dale invited us back.

Ned, the only other thing to share a little bit on the housing front in Volvanna County is a project

We've had two meetings so far this week that will unfold over the next several months.

The city recently hired and sworn in a permanent police chief.

which will be good.

They're coming from Warrenton and I think we're in a good approach of focusing on gun violence and police reform at the same time as well as really proactively building relationships with neighborhoods and people in the community.

So hopefully that will be good for Charlottesville over the next years.

Those are the big things the city has discussed

Adjusting our definition of affordability, in part because of some of the data and conversations that we've had.

We had a really interesting conversation in January, a work session on critical slopes, floodplains, and entrance corridors.

And I think what I thought was really interesting and I learned a lot was about the floodplains

And the city is actually working on a flood resiliency plan.

We have a staff person working on that, which is really smart.

It was a great conversation.

We're looking at how we can reduce risk and be strategic and forward thinking.

But we also discussed the urban right hand river corridor plan, which calls for development and

Mcconnell, and then also, you know, we should be thinking about what, you know, rising, the rising flood plain.

OK. Not a lot that's very exciting.

Budget season is starting.

And so we've been sitting in with some of the budget discussion the schools have had so that we will be ahead of the game when they present their draft to us, which will be kind of gross.

We're looking

I remember that we purchased a property that surrounds the middle school and high school in the south part of Livingston.

There's a creek that goes through there.

We're looking into the possibility in conjunction with the service authority of creating a poundment there so we would have additional water supply for possible development on the corridor in Livingston.

So I think

We've been having bi-monthly joint meetings with Planning Commission and with consultants so that we're all on the same page as things come forth so it increases the likelihood that our finished product will actually be approved because we've been looking at it pretty closely all the way through.

One thing that's relative to the comp plan for those of you that are fans of the 151

In the process of finalizing a new corridor analysis for 151, which means that that data will be available for the comp plan in time to get that done.

I'm personally very excited about that.

That's all in my district.

Finally,

I think Nelson County may have had one of the worst websites, the Commonwealth, I don't know if anybody has any comments on their own, but it's been a struggle just to keep the website that we have maintaining what it's supposed to maintain and the process of creating something new and we're looking into having

A one-click on the homepage to sit in on the more supervised reading.

So you don't have to negotiate a menu.

So with all that fiber, they can get to that website.

Did you guys, were you hiring?

Was that Nelson?

I don't know.

I just remembered Jesse talking about getting ready to do some interviews too.

Very good.

She's been on for, gosh, about five, six months now, and we couldn't be happier.

That's good to hear.

A couple things in green.

Obviously, we are in the process of trying to find a county administrator.

We have a county administrator in place now.

She's been there before, so we did some initial interviews.

We're now going to search for her.

and we hope to finish this process probably in the next three to five months.

We're also in search of possibly a finance director.

Our finance director resigned, retired actually, so we're very happy for her.

So we've got two key positions in the county that we're looking for.

On the good news, we do have employees, Greene County employees, actually working at a water authority.

It's not a Greene County water authority yet, but they are manning the vote to waste operations

and the actual water plants.

So we actually have employees there manning both of those and working and operating in those facilities, which is a big step forward.

So we're very hopeful that pretty soon you have the Greene County Water Authority, which will be a big boost for our economy going forward.

So that's something we're very excited about.

It's been a long struggle, probably many, many years, and attempts have been made prior

Williams to sit on the board, and they have failed to break away.

So we're very excited with the possibility of a clean break, if you will, if you don't have water authority.

We also have approved committees.

As a recommendation, emergency service advisory board, we have an advisory board.

that meets and that's made up of the EMS services, fire services, sheriff's department, 911 center, and they recommended that we create committees to do research to try to find property, find ways to finance that property, whether through grants or taxes or whatever, to build training facilities for our firefighters

Our firefighters are traveling for training also to probably build a center very much like maybe Fluvanna has.

We have all your services in one area.

So that process has started.

We also recommend that we hire a fire chief, which was very unusual.

It was a year ago.

The fire chief was mentioned and my phone was re-albed at hook all weekend long in opposition to that.

So they were now in favor of trying to hire a fire chief

County to try to coordinate services with the fire departments.

And that was a big step forward.

I don't think everybody's in favor of it, but the vote went through 72.

And that position has been in our budget as a placeholder for a couple of years, so it's not, we have to approve it, it's already there.

So that's very positive.

We also started the process to refund our personal property tax.

As most of you know, we approved our personal property tax prior

The information we had was not as clean as we hoped it would be, so we approved what we had before us, and so we went through a long-drawing process of trying to determine how to refund the overpayment.

And the treasurer went through a very complicated process of trying to be fair-dured by it to make sure that if you had a $25 tax bill that you'd get a $100 refund.

So that process has been completed finally, and those checks will be going out to the census probably in the next couple of weeks.

And we're starting our budget cycle as well very soon.

So it's going to be an interesting cycle for us.

Our main concentration will be on pay scales.

We have a serious issue with compression, especially the insurance department.

So that's one of the biggest pushes that we'll have going forward.

And we're not sure what the impact will be, but I don't think it's going to be insignificant.

So I think we'll see a huge impact.

But we feel like we need to do that to keep our staffing intact.

Awesome.

Queen Adams was a big champion of that.

So that is a go.

It's off of Lake Anna and it's in multi

Hotel, Residential, and Commercial space.

So that's been approved.

That was very dramatic getting that through.

Lots of opposition and all.

But our next big one is Zion Town Center, which is coming up this Monday.

And that, again, is going to be interesting.

There's a lot of different views and opinions.

They've already been approved in 2019 for 599 residential units.

And now they want to add an additional 124 there between apartments, single family homes and townhomes.

But yesterday we were in a meeting and we were really excited.

They offered us a proper.

Mr. Barnes with Gerald Barnes on our way has been working with Habitat for Charlottesville.

and if this is approved, the habitat will be able to purchase, Habitat of Charlottesville, 10 lots within the new 123 additional spaces that they are asking for, that they'll be able to purchase some and they're going to get cold shells.

I know we said the same thing, our county administrator, we were like, talk to us.

What was a cold shell?

Basically, it's just the shell of the townhouse and then Habitat will come in and have to do it from start to finish.

So they've been talking to Dan over there.

So we were at least happy that we got that.

They're going to give us 10 slots there.

It was my planning commissioner.

Josh Gillespie, who's our community development director and some staff from Muir County, we all met at Retson Charlottesville and just sort of talked about what we have going on on both sides there.

And it was really interesting to talk about the Wawa.

That seems to be a huge interest.

and somebody put it out on Nextdoor and it exploded and it's like, oh, it's just a wah-wah.

But boys, in fact, I just happened at the meeting to look at Nextdoor and there's people still coming to the wah-wah and that was posted back in December.

So we were excited.

I'm glad to see that's happening.

No, it probably wouldn't have.

And you know, we were even getting down to the nitty gritty, like, what do we look like on the Louisa side, and what does Volana's image looks like as far as stone and brick, and just sort of try to coordinate like a gateway.

We were just all sort of having that conversation, and it was a really good conversation.

And we're going to continue to have that and work with that.

All right.

Perhaps, though, I should defer to you since I missed yesterday's meeting.

Absolutely.

So one thing about the roadshow that Keith and I did, I think, not just the time allotment, but where we're placed on the agenda.

And this is not, I mean, Greene went through a pretty rigorous conversation.

I think it was your, Clark?

You guys had a go on a big topic that it was getting later into the evening because that's just how the juniors work.

We all get there.

We were first up at Charlottesville, so we got our fresh, right?

I have to work harder as the night goes on on a long agenda, especially if you come out of a rigorous conversation.

But that helps with it as well.

And so that informed what we're asking for from Fluvanna.

And we rescheduled our presentation with them to not have to follow public hearings, which can be daunting, especially for your audience.

We enjoyed it.

It was a little surreal having to come down off the desk to give a presentation to my own board.

But I did.

And it was good.

The one other item, I forget who made the comment of personalizing to the boards.

It might have been you, Keith.

So when you personalize the information or actually, I think it was Michael who came up in your budget.

Williams.

Yeah, so Ian, I gave you a presentation to the Regional Housing Partnership and I think HAND is a platform, and help me out Christine, I think it's out of Washington, DC, and the interesting thing is it's a visual and you can slide

You know, and it was a really great visual because sometimes, and I think it was Dale that mentioned it, you know, sometimes in some of the other counties, they don't quite understand that the person who's maybe changing your oil at the local shop that doesn't, can't afford to live in your county.

And the data that it uses is very jurisdiction or area specific.

So when you slide the rent, as the rent goes up, it's specific to your area.

And then it puts across the face of the nurse or the police officer or the teacher housing instability or unstable housing.

I mean, there's a phrase that basically they can't live here and they exit out.

So as you climb and rent, it's saying, okay, rents are here.

And it showed all of the professions.

What you lose in your community based on your data that can't afford to live there.

So let's see, since I'm on regional housing partnership,

As Christine mentioned, as commissioners for the coming back home, that's March 24th, it's a Friday.

If your county and a lot of the counties or jurisdictions did sponsor that, they get tickets as well to put a table together depending on their level.

So obviously I'm making the pitch to get as many of the elected officials and staff to that conference.

So if you can take advantage through the commission to get there, that opens up tickets for others in your jurisdiction to also get there.

So just asking for any encouragement since if you did do the sponsorship to send some of your electeds over there to spend some time.

Because the first one we did was a wonderful day.

I mean, it was people came away from liking that experience.

And this is finally where we can do it again because of COVID.

On housing, yesterday, before our presentation on the Regional Housing Partnership, Albemarle County had a pretty good conversation about a specific developer incentive or grant program, where the idea is that you would take the amount of, say, the water connection fees or tax fees, let's say that's $10,000 per unit, and giving a tax rebate to that amount to a development application

if affordable housing, if our housing policy targets are met.

So that's one particular program out of a slew of incentives we're going to be considering, but the board got pretty engaged in that conversation.

I don't need to go into the details of all of that.

Mr. Smith was there in attendance and others active, well, activists and people that pay attention to the affordable housing piece.

The Councilor Payne in our roadshow conversation talked about how

You can't necessarily build ourselves out of the affordable housing issue.

There's going to have to be subsidy.

And Albemarle yesterday, right before talking about some of the data and lack of units out there, we're talking about the cost and how do we get about providing the money to provide that subsidy to allow people to get into affordable units.

And we're specific to a 60% AMI for rentals is what our housing policy talks about.

On the heels of that, in the evening, we've been approved a developer application.

It's Dickerson Overlook.

It's Willow Glen.

It's out behind the Hollymade or the Target area across from the airport.

And it's one of the first applications that came before us that's shooting for our housing Albemarle targets.

So they did 20 percent AMI or 20 percent affordable units for 15 years instead of 10.

They couldn't quite get to the

to longer timeframes, but then started talking about how developer incentives could help take them even further for either longevity or more units.

So we're hoping that that'll happen.

But it was nice to have an application that wasn't grandfathered under our old policy, because until we get the developer incentive piece ironed down, they can still come in at 15% affordable units.

So I was thrilled that was in my district that that was coming in at 20%.

The last thing I was going to ask is a request.

I know all the jurisdictions are doing compensation studies.

So as those come, I don't know who's going to be first out of the gate to receive their study or update or presentation to their board.

I'm just asking if you would note that.

I think it would be a good idea for us to share that information for the benefit of all of our jurisdictions since we're all doing studies.

It also would be beneficial to Christine as the executive director of the Thomas Jefferson

from all those respective compensation studies.

So I just want to put that request out there.

That's fine.

All right.

I appreciate the summaries.

Obviously, you know, we're doing our comprehensive plan.

We're having our reassessments.

We have a few things that we've done that are a little bit off the beaten track, and I should mention them.

We adopted a fraud, waste, and abuse ordinance.

which enables people to report incidents of financial misdeeds or waste anonymously and follow it through a service.

I want to emphasize we had nothing to evidence that we needed this at this point, except that good governance suggested making sure that this sort of thing can be reported as a good idea.

And back in December, so we haven't met for a while, we did a commercial property assessed clean energy finance program, which I also thought was interesting in that it provides a way through commercial lenders to secure financing for clean energy programs.

And this still is administered through private lenders and the Virginia Department of Energy helps out, but it's just another way of sort of lowering the cost

for borrowing for those sorts of activities.

And I appreciated that.

It's probably about all I have.

I will say we added a number of FTEs and social services due to increased workload because of required reevaluation of every recipient for the Medicaid SNAP programs and that may be something other people are facing.

So I thought I'd bring that up as, you know,

What's going on, I guess.

Uh, and then I'm sad to report that we're going to have our, uh, deputy, uh, uh, county executive retire in August, but still, um, Doug Walker has been, uh, one of the most pleasant people to work with that I've ever experienced.

And experienced.

Thank you, sir.

Any questions or comments for Albemarle?

All right, that will take us, our next meeting will be March 2nd in 20,223.

Now it's 20.

There's no number in there.

So 2023.

We get a break, that's why I'm hungry.

As Christine mentioned earlier, the budget will be coming forward for approval at that meeting.

And you can, in your packet on the agenda, see some of the other items that will be coming forward for that.

And it's already time to start the evaluation process again for our executive director.

All right, very good.

We do motions here for adjourn.