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Charlottesville Albemarle Regional Transit Authority Meeting   7/23/2026

Attachments
  • 00 CARTA Agenda Full Packet 7.23.26.pdf
  • 01 CARTA Agenda 7.23.26.pdf
  • 02 Draft CARTA minutes 5-28-26.pdf
  • 03 Draft CARTA minutes 6-5-26 Special Meeting.pdf
  • 04 CARTA Virginia Breeze Update- 7.23.26.pdf
  • 05 2026_0723_TJPDC_Transit_Preliminary Prioritization FINAL.pdf
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:00:00
      We'll go around the table for introductions real quick and then if there are any announcements and then we'll have two of those in the vote on the agenda.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:00:14
      Taylor, would you like to start?
    • 00:00:15
      Sure.
    • 00:00:16
      Taylor Lowry, Director of Transportation at the TJPDC.
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      Ann Waller, Service Secretary of the County Excitement.
    • 00:00:21
      I will phone you.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:00:22
      Ben Chambers, Transportation Planning Manager at the City of Charlottesville.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:00:27
      Gretchen Thomas, I'm the admin assistant for teaching policing, Jennifer Bolivar-Pancat, Natalie Ostrom, City of Charlottesville, Mike Brown, Albemarle County, Jen Fleischer, Sydney Charleston, Tanya Swartzendruber, Long Range Commander for Albemarle County.
    • 00:00:43
      So you're not going to have to send your transition letter for the city.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:00:46
      We work for the job.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:00:48
      Sally, would you like to?
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:00:50
      Sally Duncan, Albemarle County Board of Supervisors.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:00:54
      And then Grant's here as well.
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      Grant, would you like to say hi?
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:00:58
      Good evening.
    • 00:00:58
      Grant Sparks, Director of Statewide Transit Programs, DRPT.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:01:03
      Great.
    • 00:01:06
      If other people would like to go as well, they're welcome to go ahead.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:01:09
      Yes.
    • 00:01:09
      Good afternoon.
    • 00:01:10
      Avery Daugherty, Senior Transit Programs Manager with DRPT.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:01:16
      Katie Miller.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:01:17
      Go ahead, Katie.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:01:19
      Katie Miller, Transit Program Manager, DRPT.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:01:23
      Christine Jacobs, Executive Director, Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:01:27
      Great.
    • 00:01:28
      Thanks, team.
    • 00:01:29
      Are there any announcements before we get to the agenda?
    • 00:01:36
      My only one is that July is a e-bike subsidy sign-up month for the city, so if you know anyone who that could apply for, please share it with your networks.
    • 00:01:48
      All right, now we will have a vote to approve the agenda.
    • 00:01:54
      Do we need to
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:01:57
      Um, firstly, I think before that we need to vote to amend, uh, Sallie as a- We do, yes.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:02:03
      But so do we need to roll call before we do that?
    • 00:02:07
      I'm sorry, I didn't mean that.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:02:11
      We need to do like an official roll call, or is it actually- It's absolutely- Yeah, I think you're going to have to stand for that, that's fine.
    • 00:02:19
      And so you also go ahead and vote to amend.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:02:21
      Okay.
    • 00:02:22
      Um, can I please have a motion to-
    • 00:02:25
      are actually saying where she is and why.
    • 00:02:28
      And then we'll have a motion to let her.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:02:32
      I'm zooming in from home because I'm sick.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:02:34
      Oh, no.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:02:37
      It's great.
    • 00:02:38
      We'll send it.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:02:40
      Grant's not the voting number.
    • 00:02:42
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:02:42
      I would like to move that we line up, supervise her down, and introduce her to the participation of me.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:02:50
      All in favor?
    • 00:02:53
      Yes.
    • 00:02:54
      Obvious.
    • 00:02:54
      Great.
    • 00:02:56
      Welcome, officialists.
    • 00:02:57
      I hope you feel better.
    • 00:02:58
      Now, do we have a motion to approve the agenda?
    • 00:03:03
      So moved.
    • 00:03:04
      Second.
    • 00:03:05
      All in favor?
    • 00:03:06
      Aye.
    • 00:03:09
      And then next to the minutes for the last couple of meetings.
    • 00:03:15
      Are there any corrections or notes that anyone would like to make on this, or is there a motion to approve?
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:03:22
      We approve the minutes.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:03:25
      All in favor?
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:03:27
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:03:29
      Great.
    • 00:03:30
      And then we've got the schedule for the special meeting that we have to decide.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:03:39
      Yeah, so the purpose of the special meeting is to give you all another touch point with the prioritization study.
    • 00:03:47
      So today, you all are going to receive a presentation from the project manager, Ken Deboel.
    • 00:03:51
      and we hope to get your feedback today on the first draft of that and be able to incorporate those edits to bring it back before you again in August so that you have one more opportunity to be able to review and provide any feedback before the September meeting.
    • 00:04:04
      We sent a sensor on an email with some of these dates and times.
    • 00:04:08
      They are listed in priority order as far as those who would be giving presentations and able to attend, but we can also make any of these dates work.
    • 00:04:18
      And so if there are any that do or don't work,
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:04:21
      I would have a very hard time joining the Thursday and Wednesday meetings.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:04:35
      School starts for me that Thursday, so the Wednesday and Monday are the only ones I could go to.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:04:42
      And then I believe it's Friday the 28th.
    • 00:04:49
      So Friday's not going to be silent?
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:04:52
      Unfortunately, no.
    • 00:04:54
      But if everybody else can, I know my schedule is going to be hard.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:04:58
      But Monday is OK with everyone?
    • 00:05:04
      Even though it's less than the priority list, it is also the most available?
    • 00:05:08
      Taylor, can I have a very nice and all virtual?
    • 00:05:10
      Yes, definitely.
    • 00:05:11
      It'll be virtual.
    • 00:05:15
      I'm sorry.
    • 00:05:15
      I never had my speaker on.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:05:19
      So we were saying Monday the 24th 5 to 7 is our best bet right now?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:05:32
      Yes.
    • 00:05:36
      We'll get that calendar and night out.
    • 00:05:38
      Thank you all.
    • 00:05:41
      Thank you.
    • 00:05:42
      Moving on to Madison Public.
    • 00:05:43
      I don't see any public in the room.
    • 00:05:46
      Is there anyone online?
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:05:51
      We have three online as attendees, but I don't see any hands raised.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:05:56
      If anyone online would like to speak, please press the little hand raise button on your Zoom.
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      Or if you don't know where that is, open your camera and wave around.
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      OK, if no one would like to speak, then we will move on to our first presentation beginning of the Virginia Breeze update.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:06:21
      Great.
    • 00:06:22
      Let me share my screen.
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      Give me just a second.
    • 00:06:32
      Okay.
    • 00:06:32
      Are you able to see that online?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:06:35
      Not yet.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:06:36
      Not yet.
    • 00:06:37
      Okay.
    • 00:06:38
      Excuse me.
    • 00:06:38
      Give me a second more.
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      How about now?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:06:42
      We see that you started sharing the screen, but there's no graphic on there yet.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:06:55
      Not seeing anything yet.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:07:03
      We lost it.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:07:13
      Okay.
    • 00:07:14
      All right.
    • 00:07:14
      There's just a little bit of a delay, so it should pull up here in a second.
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      Sorry for that.
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      But as that is loading, I just want to say good afternoon members of the Charlottesville, Albemarle Regional Transit Authority Board.
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      It's good to be with you even though virtually.
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      My name is Avery Daugherty.
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      I'm a Senior Transit Programs Manager with the Virginia Department of Rail and Public Transportation.
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      I'm going to take a quick pause and see if that has shown on your screen.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:07:47
      So we can see the graphic, but now your words are a little bit delayed.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:07:51
      Any luck?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:07:56
      Okay.
    • 00:07:57
      Give me one second more.
    • 00:07:59
      Sorry for the technical issues.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:08:07
      Okay.
    • 00:08:12
      All right.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:08:18
      Okay, as that is loading, just want to say we'll be providing just a brief update on the Virginia Breeze Intercity Bus Program, which is a statewide network that strengthens Virginia's multimodal system and provides a central long-term, excuse me, long-distance mobility for rural and urban communities.
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      I'm just going to walk through briefly how the service operates, why it was created, some recent ridership trends, some major destinations and highlights specific to Charlottesville.
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      Are the slides advancing?
    • 00:08:51
      Are you seeing an overview slide?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:08:52
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:08:54
      Great.
    • 00:08:55
      Okay.
    • 00:08:56
      Thanks.
    • 00:08:56
      I'm going to proceed on.
    • 00:09:02
      So the Virginia breeze operates year round with one daily round trip on each of our now five routes connecting the western and central Virginia regions to Washington DC as well as our newly launched Tidewater Current route which runs up and down the 64 corridor from the Shenandoah Valley to Hampton Roads.
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      DRPT oversees the planning, the branding, the performance, and customer experience for the service.
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      We have two service operators, Academy Bus and Dillon's Bus Service, both supplying our drivers, our buses, and they do all the maintenance on the buses as well.
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      It's a turnkey structure that gives us a consistent and reliable
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      service by providing and allowing DRPT to maintain direct oversight and quality of the service.
    • 00:09:59
      All right.
    • 00:10:00
      So why the Virginia breeze was created, federal laws requiring that states address intercity bus needs using a portion of rural transit funding, unless those needs can be shown that they're met.
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      So instead of only supporting private carriers, Virginia chose to take a
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      an approach here to develop a complete public intercity bus network to ensure that service existed where private providers really withdrew from the state.
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      So Virginia Breeze routes restore that essential mobility and rule, mobility to rule and underserved communities by giving them a reliable and affordable and environmentally responsible way to get to their jobs, for passengers to get to education, healthcare, and other major destinations.
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      And to kind of complement that, why the Virginia breeze matters for really essentially rural areas throughout Virginia, the Virginia breeze is really critical and it serves as a mobility lifeline, often the only long distance travel option for some folks.
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      It really strengthens access to employment.
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      education and medical services and regional travel.
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      So by us operating along the congested corridors, the service really helps reduce that single occupancy vehicle travel using congestion and bringing down our emissions.
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      And most importantly, Virginia Breeze really maintains service where there are no other options for people and where private carriers, as I mentioned, no longer operate.
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      All right, taking a look a little bit at where we have been and where we are now.
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      Since our first route launched in 2017, we've really expanded strategically to now offer five routes.
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      So we added the Piedmont Express and Capital Connector routes in 2020.
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      And then again, added the Highlands Rhythm route.
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      That is another route along 81.
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      in 2021 and most recently, as I said, actually a few months ago in April, we launched the Tidewater Current.
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      So we now have extended service to many regions throughout Virginia and each expansion has really been met with steady increases in ridership, giving Virginians something that they can rely on with travel options.
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      This is taking a look at ridership, so just a high level overview.
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      Showing that ridership growth definitely has risen over the past four years.
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      Some quick highlights here, starting in FY23, we had just over 56,000 riders, which was about a 29% increase from the previous year.
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      And in 2024, we hit about 62,000 passengers, which was a 9% increase year over year.
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      In 2025, we had another 8% increase just at about 67,000 passengers.
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      And just finishing up fiscal year 26 here, we saw another 6% increase this past year to just under 71,000, excuse me, just over 71,000 passengers.
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      So yes, the growth is definitely leveling, but we're seeing total ridership continue to rise.
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      And we're currently conducting, I just wanted to mention,
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      that we're conducting a comprehensive study needs assessment to evaluate travel patterns and identify more opportunities for service improvements and multimodal connections for the system.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:13:48
      Avery, can I turn for a second?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:13:50
      Sure.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:13:51
      If you've got questions, would you like us to save them for the end or ask them as we go?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:13:56
      It is completely up to you.
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      I'm happy to take questions as I go along.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:13:59
      I have a question about this slide about ridership.
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      Leveling out makes sense at a certain point because seats are going to fill up, especially if it's just one a day.
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      I know that there's, like if someone rides from the start all the way to the finish, that counts as one, but if someone rides from a section to another section, then some of the different rides from the
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      That section to the end, for example, that counts as too right.
    • 00:14:30
      That's right.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:14:32
      It does.
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      Yeah, it's each trip and there's, I call them, you know, different trip identities, but there's many different combinations of travel options.
    • 00:14:44
      The trip, I guess, as I termed it, so hopefully this is what you're asking.
    • 00:14:48
      I didn't confuse anyone.
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      When I say trip, I do probably use them multifaceted, but individual passenger trips, we would count a passenger that gets on in Charlottesville and gets off in Harrisonburg on the new Tidewater Current just as we would someone traveling from Danville to Charlottesville, if that makes sense.
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      Did that answer your question?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:15:12
      Yeah, that makes sense.
    • 00:15:15
      My question really is,
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      And it's not on this slide, but I'm sure it's in your numbers somewhere.
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      Do you have a sense of, I guess, what is the most popular segment?
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      Or are people on it from the bottom all the way to D.C. most frequently, and people are making inner city stops less?
    • 00:15:40
      Or what is the, is there a trend at all for the segments?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:15:46
      Yeah, I think I do have a slide that'll kind of go into that really specifically for the Charlottesville region.
    • 00:15:54
      Yeah, well, I can I can hit on that.
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      I'm not sure if I have a map that let me see if I can advance.
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      So this is a map of the service here.
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      And the different colors represent the different routes.
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      The 81 corridor certainly is our most popular and frequently used corridor for the Virginia breeze.
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      The Valley Flyer, which is our original route.
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      Both of these, by the way, go to DC Union Station.
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      They're certainly heavily used and I would say segments from Blacksburg to DC are still continued to be the most popular, but we're seeing increases throughout the service.
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      We're not really seeing many major decreases in segments specifically.
    • 00:16:49
      So did that get at what you were asking?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:16:52
      Yeah, I guess ultimately, I know, sorry, I'm targeting circles a little bit, but ultimately I'm just wondering
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      How much capacity is left?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:17:03
      Oh okay, that's a great question.
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      The great thing about our service, of course we have to look at our budget.
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      But when we fill up on a bus, we have had the ability to add where we need.
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      So if on heavy travel days, as an example, with UVA and let's say there's other major events that are happening that are bringing that to add additional buses for capacity.
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      We've been able to meet that demand to this point.
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      And we hope to continue to do that.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:17:50
      Yeah.
    • 00:17:50
      Great.
    • 00:17:51
      Thank you.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:17:53
      Absolutely.
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      I'm going to go back just one slide here.
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      I'm sorry, are there any other questions before I go on?
    • 00:18:03
      Right.
    • 00:18:08
      Actually, just to make sure I don't slow it down, I'm going to turn my video off real quick.
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      So on this slide, just want to mention that the Virginia breeze really is for everyone.
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      And I like to show this picture because when I tell people often, the response I get when I tell them that
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      The buses are ADA accessible.
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      People are very surprised.
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      They didn't know this.
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      They don't see a ramp or any other, you know, they just don't see that the bus is equipped because it's kind of hidden in the back.
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      But I do want to just highlight that we do serve a wide range of
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      different demographics and it's open for everyone.
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      That's the purpose of the Virginia Breeze.
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      But we do have a large number of our passengers historically have been students, full-time workers, and really varied income levels.
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      Younger riders definitely make up and continue to be a large share of our customer base, but more than 70% of our trips are, and this is something that we get from our survey that we launch every year, polling our passengers, but people are traveling for social and recreational purposes.
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      for various things, including medical appointments and other things.
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      But the majority are traveling during those times, maybe holidays or to visit friends, to visit family, showing that the Virginia breeze really, I think, brings an enhancement or a quality of life by connecting people to those loved ones and also other regional opportunities.
    • 00:19:53
      Maybe folks that haven't been able to drive for a while or choose not to, this gives them a way to do that.
    • 00:20:04
      So you have already seen this slide, but I just wanted to mention that some major destinations that we have.
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      There's numerous Amtrak stations, the Silver and Orange Line Metro Rail connections.
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      We do stop at West Falls Church Metro Rail, Dulles International Airport, and Richmond International Airport for our system.
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      And system-wide, we do serve many major universities.
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      I already mentioned UVA, but we do service Virginia Tech, James Madison University, now Virginia Commonwealth University, William & Mary, and many others, Radford, which really strengthens the statewide connectivity between intercity bus, rail, aviation, and local transit.
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      Some of our highest ridership stops.
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      I want to point out Charlottesville is actually in this list, ranks around seventh system-wide with roughly about 400 passengers monthly.
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      And these patterns really help reinforce that the network is aligned with long-standing reliable travel demand.
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      But some of the top stops are Dulles International Airport, which I mentioned, Harrisonburg, Yule Station, in Washington, DC, and Blacksburg.
    • 00:21:27
      OK. And just in terms of Charlottesville,
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      The stop is located along Alderman Road near UVA.
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      And I'm going to get into this in just a second where we have two routes, the Piedmont Express and Tidewater Current.
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      And this stop, we do have service that stops daily with bi-directional trips.
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      So in total, the Virginia Breeze stops in Charlottesville a total of four times daily.
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      And I already mentioned that we have about 400 passengers that utilize this each month.
    • 00:22:05
      OK.
    • 00:22:07
      So just a quick highlight on the Piedmont Express route.
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      This is a route that operates between Danville, Charlottesville, and Washington DC.
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      And fares are generally $36 or less.
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      We scale it down based on the shorter distances that people travel and scale it up for the longer distances.
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      And the Tidewater Current, let me get to that slide here.
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      Just wanted to mention that the Tidewater Current is traveling from Virginia Beach, Charlottesville, Harrisonburg, with fares generally $29 or less.
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      And both offer, I think, reliable schedules and convenient connections to major regional destinations.
    • 00:22:54
      And just flipping back real quick to the other slide, I just put some highlights of the departure time.
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      Piedmont Express, if you're trying to travel to or from the Charlottesville area, it leaves Danville at 8 a.m. every day, gets to Charlottesville just before 11 and would get you to Union Station if you're boarding in Charlottesville at 2 o'clock.
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      And for southbound, it gets to Charlottesville, leaving Washington, D.C., arrives at Charlottesville about 1.10 and arrives to Danville at 4.15.
    • 00:23:28
      And then
    • 00:23:30
      Let's see if this advances.
    • 00:23:33
      The Tidewater Current leaves kind of early from Virginia Beach around 6.20 a.m., gets to Charlottesville at 11.30, and would get you to Harrisonburg just before one o'clock.
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      And if you were traveling from Harrisonburg or heading south, anywhere from Harrisonburg, you would arrive to Charlottesville at 8.20 and get to Virginia Beach at 1.25.
    • 00:24:00
      All right.
    • 00:24:03
      And with that, I wanted to show you just this slide real quick.
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      If you're planning on booking a ticket, we've really tried to make a concerted effort to make this easier for everyone to book.
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      So we're working to improve coordination with providers to make multimodal trip planning even smoother.
    • 00:24:23
      So the Virginia Breeze
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      Hopefully it can be a choice for people to connect as we work closer and harder with other providers and our ticketing system with your trip planning now by visiting VirginiaBreeze.org.
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      We hope it's a smoother process for that one website view to purchase your tickets and get to other places as well.
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      And with that, I will pause for some questions.
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      Appreciate the support of the Virginia Bees program and happy to answer anything I can.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:25:01
      I have a question.
    • 00:25:02
      I have a friend that was trying to use this last week and was sort of frustrated that they couldn't take a bus from Richmond to Charlottesville and back to Richmond in the same day.
    • 00:25:14
      Is there any plans to consider doing sort of
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      You know, bi-directional multiple times a day so that people could go back and forth in a day.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Yes, definitely something we were looking at.
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      And I briefly mentioned it, but with this comprehensive study that's underway, that is a part of this, where we're looking at service frequency and stronger regional connections for better time transfers, specifically, hopefully with passenger rail, even maybe looking at different times for airport connectivity, or excuse me,
    • 00:25:57
      Airline popularity with booking airlines and also local transit, just some improvements for our service.
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      But frequency is definitely something we're looking at.
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      A big piece of this I do wanna mention is the funding element.
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      So that is a big part of the comprehensive study that is underway, kind of looking at and examining long-term funding options and keeping the service affordable for riders.
    • SPEAKER_10
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      On that point, we still have ticket prices.
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      I'm curious, we know, we see what the ticket price for the rider is.
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      I'm wondering what the ticket price for Virginia Breeze and the state are.
    • 00:26:45
      We were writing that out separately, right?
    • 00:26:47
      What's the total for a rider subsidy being?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:26:53
      I had a little trouble hearing you.
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      I'm just going to repeat and make sure I heard this correctly.
    • 00:26:57
      So you're asking what is the difference between ticket, what we charge the passenger versus what the cost per passenger would be?
    • 00:27:08
      Gotcha.
    • 00:27:09
      That's something I could definitely try to get to you.
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      Don't believe that is something in our DRPT open data portal, but it is a metric that we track.
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      But I'd be happy to follow up with you.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:27:23
      I'm a little surprised.
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      It feels like the top three most important methods, cost to the user, cost to the government, ridership.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:27:34
      Well, I have a question related to Sara's question.
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      So the Danville to Washington breeze is like from 8 a.m. to 2 p.m.
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      The Danville to Washington Amtrak is from 830 to 145.
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      The price for the Amtrak is more than a breeze, but the timing is pretty much the same.
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      So what consideration is there for differentiating rides versus cannibalizing service?
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      Or how is that timing and duplicativeness factor into decision making?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:28:22
      Yeah, that is a good question.
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      So this is something I will say that we definitely are looking at.
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      Part of the study, again, I don't want to keep going back to that, but it is very robust.
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      So it's also looking at our ticket pricing.
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      It is looking at are there ways to
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      have maybe even some targeted reduced fare options as well as part of this.
    • 00:28:52
      But specifically to your question, when building the Virginia Breeze, it's important to think of the regional bus element of this.
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      And in terms of timing, without getting too deep in the weeds,
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      We are able to utilize our federal funding to the fullest by connecting and timing our routes for this route that you mentioned, the Piedmont Express to Union Station.
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      So we're connecting to other private carriers like Peter Pan Bus Lines as a
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      a big example that'll take passengers beyond Virginia and beyond DC.
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      So if folks are trying to get to New York or get to Philadelphia, they'll connect at Union Station from Virginia Breeze to get on another carrier's bus line.
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      And so it is important for us looking at inside our state borders with connectivity with passenger rail as well as pricing.
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      But we really serve as a
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      as an option for people.
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      Hopefully where we can look at frequency changes in addition to the service, people are going to have better timed connections, but other time options, if they need to leave a little bit later in the day, that is all something that we're taking a hard look at.
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      I hope that answered that question.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:30:23
      Sure.
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      It's just, it's the same route at the same time.
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      The price is different, but, and you know, the reliability is probably a little better because often the crescent can get delayed.
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      But I'm just wondering if there's like, you're still connecting to Union Station, but if you need to get there by two, you can take the impact, you can get there by five, you can take the breeze and it leaves at a different time just to provide an option that's different, not just in price, but in schedule.
    • 00:30:54
      Right.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:30:55
      Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
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      I will say that that's all something that we're definitely interested in looking at and definitely appreciate the feedback.
    • 00:31:05
      It's a puzzle often building routes to where, as I mentioned, just not meaning to talk in circles here, but where we can calibrate, we certainly want to and make more connections possible.
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      hearing you on the sort of on the same time and same options and pricing.
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      But I think the variety is what we're hearing most from passengers needing or wanting is, you know, that time, specifically, let's say if they need to get to from Charlottesville to Union Station may not work.
    • 00:31:45
      Do we offer anything earlier?
    • 00:31:46
      Is there something later in the day?
    • 00:31:48
      So all stuff, all things we're looking at.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:31:52
      Thank you.
    • 00:31:57
      Then let's just say we also are big fans of the project.
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      This is just, I want to make sure we, you know, it's as optimized as possible, which I know is everyone's home.
    • SPEAKER_11
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      If I can add, I'll just say July at UVA and maybe this is Scott Sulz, we're from UVA, Department of Transportation.
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      July is Student Orientation Month.
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      Every Romaine Thursday, I've been talking to hundreds of parents about
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      in my three minutes that I get to talk about our transit system and not to bring a car and all the things that I say.
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      But I always, every single session, get a question on how do I get to Dallas?
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      How do I get to Richmond and the National Airport?
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      And it's parents are so relieved when I say there's an option to go to Virginia and Greece.
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      So it is being received.
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      And I think that the ridership grows.
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      I mean, I've used it myself.
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      I'm going to send my 15-year-old on back to Virginia Beach next week or two weeks from now.
    • 00:32:54
      I mean, it's very well received on grounds at UVA and we're doing the best that we can to promote it.
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      It's in our flyers that we give out to the parents too.
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      So I think the location, and then we shifted it maybe two years ago from the previous stop location to where it is.
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      And it seems to be really quite successful at UVA.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:33:14
      I mean, it's a civilized option to be able to have
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      a public transportation, you know, choice to get to commute a lot of businesses, especially to a place of interest like this.
    • 00:33:31
      It's, you know, as a parent, you're like, oh wow, okay, they have it organized.
    • 00:33:34
      That's- There's a way.
    • 00:33:36
      That makes sense.
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      Someone's thought about it before.
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      We're not the only one from this, you know, problem solving this way.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:33:44
      If this film was more of a comment or like the feedback
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      As I heard several times, like Sally asked specifically about ridership frequency to be able to use almost like commuters for this.
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      We looked at the data of how it's being used and I think this makes sense, right?
    • 00:34:01
      Like I can think of the times I've heard them above the bus.
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      It was all when I was a teen or things like this.
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      As we're thinking and as you're conducting your future implementation study,
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      It feels like there could be a temptation to examine its capacity in the future in a vacuum, rather than comparing it against other services and allowing it to grow into the thing that does all the things, right?
    • 00:34:30
      Like the Virginia breeze right now, I might challenge, it does not make sense as someone who wants it.
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      It's a trip service, not a commute service.
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      And it could become a commute service, but then it's a different thing.
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      It should be displacing other options.
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      And I don't know how you're saying it would be.
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      I don't know how effectively it is considering those other options.
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      But it's a worry I have.
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      I think we've seen this at government projects getting down to this.
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      Everyone here likes a bus and will throw money in a bus.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:35:07
      If I could add specifically to that, and that is a great point,
    • SPEAKER_04
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      So inner city bus, specifically how this is funded, I think I just want to spend a moment and mention this.
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      It comes with, because it is federally funded, it comes with a lot of pretty strict requirements.
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      So commuter service and the way that this was designed, it was not intended to be, or frankly,
    • 00:35:58
      allowed to be fully commuter.
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      We're limited in how we can structure this in order to be able to use federal funding.
    • 00:36:08
      So when I mentioned frequency, I didn't really get too deep in the weeds in terms of what we're analyzing with maybe some other funding that we can look to alternative funding to federal or federal funding that would open some doors.
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      But as we stand today and how the Virginia breezes has been built Has been very intentional to make sure that we're complying with those federal requirements So I that is one element.
    • 00:36:37
      I just want to mention there's some restrictions with commuter providing That makes sense.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:36:45
      And also when we think about pretty big commuters over long distance, it's not a transportation problem, is it?
    • 00:36:54
      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:36:55
      Any other questions for Avery or comments?
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:37:08
      Avery covered what I was going to mention about the federal funding and not allowing the service to be commuter service exclusively.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:37:16
      Great.
    • 00:37:21
      Well, thank you so much.
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      I look forward to seeing and continuing to grow and be utilized.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:37:29
      Thank you and thank you so much.
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      I really just want to express the thanks.
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      This is a partnership without great stakeholders such as yourself.
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      University of Virginia, we've really been able to accomplish a lot in a short amount of time and it's because of that partnership.
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      So thank you very much for the support.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:37:54
      Well, I'm probably not going to help you get back on schedule.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:38:19
      I'm so sorry.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:38:29
      I wanted to disappear.
    • 00:38:52
      Okay, there we go.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:38:53
      Okay.
    • 00:38:53
      And then you just leave those there.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:38:55
      Awesome.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:38:56
      All right.
    • 00:38:56
      Well, thank you guys for having us back again.
    • 00:39:00
      I gave you something that you can read a whole lot better than what got sent out with the packet.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:39:05
      We'll go through that in a minute.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:39:07
      But I'm here tonight to give you an update on where we are with the study.
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      I'm going to throw some tough questions your way as well.
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      Just to kind of set the stage of where we are.
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      in the series of presentations that we made, I think starting back in like, let's say like January.
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      I think we've done this, we've been a fixture for the past several months.
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      We've talked about identifying service improvements from the variety of plans that the region has.
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      The last, really the last two presentations have talked about prioritization of those service improvements.
    • 00:39:46
      Tonight we're getting into really the meat and that is what
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      What does it look like to develop an implementation strategy that ties in costs and your priorities and potential funding options?
    • 00:40:02
      So just as a refresher, we started with the TJPDC Regional Transit Vision Plan.
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      We layered in a bunch of other information.
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      To get through some surface recommendations, we brought you some prioritization criteria back in March.
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      We talked a lot about intensity and footprint, what that means for the region.
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      And then in May, we brought you a table that looks like that, that took those different ways to measure the outcomes and tie those outcomes into
    • 00:40:42
      the goals that were in your regional transit vision plan, how to turn them into some type of measure based on the geography, based on the service provision.
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      And then we use that to prioritize just based on that information.
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      So we called it preliminary results.
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      So we've got more work to do.
    • 00:41:02
      We're going to come back and keep giving you kind of an incremental look into where we are with the study.
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      So that gets us to tonight.
    • 00:41:11
      We're going to use this word illustrative tonight a lot.
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      It's going to be on every slide.
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      If it's not on every slide, it's because I forgot to put it on that slide because it really should be on every slide.
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      There are so many moving pieces in developing an implementation strategy.
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      And every policy consideration, every funding assumption, every cost or service assumption changes something that will change what your prioritization is.
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      or what it looks like in the end.
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      So what I'm going to do tonight is kind of walk through some scenarios that are examples of some of the different questions that we have, and we're going to go back and refine this strategy, come back to you next month in that special meeting with something that's much more solidified and reflective of your policy decisions and considerations.
    • 00:42:04
      All right, so I kind of talked about that already.
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      As we've been working, it's very easy in a very high level planning study that's based on a lot of assumptions to
    • 00:42:19
      to really kind of get a little bit lost in the sauce.
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      So we started asking questions.
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      There's a number of us in this room that talk every two weeks on Monday morning and kind of talk sometimes in a circle.
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      We throw out a lot of questions.
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      We've run through a bunch of data, but it's really, we're at the point where we need some guidance from this board to refine and move forward.
    • 00:42:44
      So what we've done since last time is we have,
    • 00:42:48
      Develop some operating cost estimates and capital cost estimates for both infrastructure and fleet for the different service recommendations that we prioritized and showed you last time.
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      We've also worked with Grant and his team at DRPT to look at funding strategies from the, I would say, the more traditional path.
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      State and federal funding.
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      We've also talked with your staff about some other strategies and funding options.
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      And we are now at that point where we're ready to start thinking about what it looks like to program services at a high planning level based on resources that could be available.
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      So what are we going to talk about today?
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      I will say I'm going to give you three questions or walk you through scenarios related to three questions.
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      We have kind of hit on most of these before, but we need to get to the point where we've got some direction from you so we can go back and refine.
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      The first is CARTA, as is established in the code of Virginia, talks about Albemarle and the city of Albemarle County, the city of Charlottesville.
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      So how does the region view routes that fall outside of Albemarle and
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      Charlottesville.
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      And how do those kind of fit into what transit looks like in the region?
    • 00:44:05
      So I'm going to show you a couple different things with that.
    • 00:44:08
      We're going to talk about how, and you just ask a great question that ties right into the second bullet, we're going to talk about cost, estimated cost and projected ridership and how those can potentially factor into a prioritization.
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      Again, very high level planning data, but
    • 00:44:30
      That does weigh into what your funding formula looks like for your regular operating assistance from the feds and from the state.
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      So those outcomes are important.
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      So we'll give you some options to consider relative to that.
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      And then we'll also talk about eligible costs.
    • 00:44:47
      For the purpose of just kind of setting the table with the placemat in front of you, I just want to emphasize definitions around footprint and intensity.
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      I've had to go back to these definitions many times.
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      I think everybody that's on the working group, we have to keep going back and reminding ourselves what the definitions mean when we talk about footprint.
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      Logically, that's extending routes in areas that don't have service.
    • 00:45:10
      That's new routes in areas that don't have service.
    • 00:45:14
      The other things that are considered footprint in the definition of the prioritization methodology that you saw in May are increased hours of operation.
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      So Sunday service or late night service would be considered an increased footprint from a concept of time.
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      It's also introducing new types of services, things like new microtransit zones.
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      When we talk about intensity, it's a much narrower definition.
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      It is simply
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      increased frequency in areas that already have service.
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      So if you have service today and it's every 60 minutes and the recommendation is for it to be every 30 minutes, that is just an intensity improvement.
    • 00:45:54
      What you'll see on the list are a lot of things that are labeled as mixed, which means they have characteristics of both.
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      But since we keep getting lost in the sauce on that, I was going to start tonight by saying that's what those two things mean.
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      and then we can keep working through it.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:46:08
      Let's go ahead.
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      Does the footprint definition, is that something that's defined at like a federal level or like a best practice level or is that something we teach ourselves?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:46:19
      I would say that's a planning type of definition.
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      I'm looking at Ben because I'm like planner friends.
    • 00:46:25
      That's a planning type definition.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:46:27
      It's something that we use to constrain the discussion.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:46:33
      But so including extending service hours as footprint is something that's like other people do generally as well?
    • 00:46:40
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:46:41
      All right.
    • 00:46:43
      So in line with talking about intensity and footprint, we also had to start putting some stakes in the ground about what potential illustrative funding options could look like.
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      This region's done a lot of work already.
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      for things that are going to be implemented in the near term.
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      Our base year, what we're trying to peg everything to in the study is 2030.
    • 00:47:09
      There's a lot that's being talked about right now and has been talked about for 2027, this window of time between 2027 and 2030.
    • 00:47:18
      We're not touching any of that.
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      We're not talking about that.
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      Those things are assumed to have been implemented.
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      And that's it.
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      And funding decisions that have been secured.
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      This is where we'll pick up demo routes for jaunt funding decisions that the city has made relative to CAT.
    • 00:48:03
      What you will see tonight are two tiers of potential future funding or funding levels.
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      There's some typology in the colors.
    • 00:48:14
      All the graphics have a line on them.
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      So you'll see a blue line that kind of signifies this tier one or this lower funding level that we'll say I've done some rounding.
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      It's about $12 million in some type of new annual funding.
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      The tier two, the higher funding level, picks up everything in tier one and then takes that bright line to about $25 million in new funding sources.
    • 00:48:41
      So we'll show you that throughout.
    • 00:48:44
      Some definitions.
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      You've got the big placemat that you can read a lot better than what was in your package.
    • 00:48:51
      There's a few of these that I want to just kind of walk you through really quickly.
    • 00:48:56
      What's labeled on here is preliminary score is what the scores that you saw in May.
    • 00:49:02
      The only thing I changed between May and now is I put preliminary on that because we're going to talk about an addition to it.
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      But that captures your factors related to equity, population density, access to activity centers that we talked about previously in the study.
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      Nothing in that column has changed at all.
    • 00:49:21
      When we talk about cost, our operating cost is the cost to operate the service in the frequency that is shown on
    • 00:49:31
      The table, it is a planning level cost that's based on hours of service and the hourly cost of both cat and job.
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      For capital, we're making assumptions for as your service grows, you're going to need more vehicles, you're going to need more space in your maintenance and operations facility, you're going to want to make improvements to your bus stops and accessibility to those bus stops and maybe even implement some transfer centers.
    • 00:49:58
      We've made assumptions relative to that and provided some planning level estimates to go along with those.
    • 00:50:08
      Those two cost factors then get to what is shown in the table as a local cost share.
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      So this is where we apply the funding that can be assumed to be available from the federal government, from the state government.
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      So what we're doing is applying a match rate.
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      For operating, I will say we're being super conservative because I'm only considering basically what you get on the state side for operating, which they'll fund up to, and their formula is changing, but roughly 30% of your operating costs can be covered by state funds.
    • 00:50:42
      John Catt both also get federal funding that can be used for operating.
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      I haven't accounted for that because it's not really a match.
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      It's done differently.
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      And the costs are very variable.
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      There's a lot of cost escalation with labor and fuel.
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      So I'm giving you a very conservative outlook on costs to operate when I'm looking at local cost share.
    • 00:51:07
      On the capital side, Virginia's transit program at the state level is one of the most generous in the country.
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      And so the match rate required, the amount of local money you need to put into your capital is generally very low.
    • 00:51:19
      So for vehicles, for smaller capital infrastructure improvements, things like bus stops, generally speaking, the state money leveraged with federal money
    • 00:51:29
      get you to about four percent cost local funding that's required to implement those capital purchases.
    • 00:51:38
      Larger capital construction projects, so that's things like your facility expansions, your big big big capital infrastructure projects that are over three million dollars in total cost, those
    • 00:51:51
      We should anticipate a 50% cost share.
    • 00:51:54
      There's ways to leverage that with other resources.
    • 00:51:57
      But again, I'm trying to be conservative.
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      I would rather under-promise and over-deliver than the reverse.
    • 00:52:08
      Going on in the table, there's a column for total annualized costs.
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      This captures both operating and capital.
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      For the capital, because capital expenditures are kind of variable over time, what we've done is annualized them so that we can compare different service options and alternatives.
    • 00:52:28
      Finally, when it comes to costs, and I'll say this last column is there to just show you how far your money goes based on priority, is a cumulative local cost.
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      So that last column, we're just adding
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      Everything above it with the current line and showing you basically, if you work your way down the list, how much it costs you.
    • 00:52:50
      So now we're going to move into some scenarios.
    • 00:52:52
      This is where this stuff gets fun.
    • 00:52:54
      So the first scenario is a base.
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      This is just going to, we're going to take the prioritization just as it was when we left you in May.
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      We're going to apply our operating costs, our capital costs,
    • 00:53:07
      The only thing that is different in this scenario from what you saw in May is that just to kind of pare down the number of service options on the table, what we have done is taken out anything that doesn't touch Charlottesville or Albemarle at all.
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      So there are, I'm going to use Mike Gordon'sville, Louisa Connect as an example.
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      It connects Gordon'sville and Louisa.
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      It doesn't touch Albemarle or Charlottesville.
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      It's in the vision plan, but we've sorted those out for this analysis just to kind of hone in on CARTA.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:53:43
      It is also mythical.
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      It is not real, and it's not a service that exists in the real world.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:53:49
      It's a service that exists on paper.
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      It would be something brand new from a footprint perspective.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:53:56
      Yes, thank you, Mike.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:53:59
      So base scenario.
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      So what we've done with this one is in this chart, you're going to see that the big version in front of you.
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      Four new columns on the end.
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      They're the columns that I just walked through annualized local cost.
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      I did not talk about ridership and annual cost per rider.
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      Let me touch on those before I go into this.
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      So for each one of these service options, we've also estimated ridership along with the estimated cost.
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      This gets to your previous question about Virginia Breeze is we put those two things together and we come up with a cost per rider.
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      At this level of planning, that's about the only metric that we have to kind of do something that looks like a cost benefit analysis.
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      but it does give you a metric of how much does it cost to provide this service when you look at how many people you're moving with it.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:54:47
      So for each of the tables, we're gonna show all of those columns.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:54:52
      So for this base scenario, that blue line of the tier one funding picks up three routes.
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      You drop down to that tier two or about $25 million, you pick up another seven.
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      You're gonna see a theme throughout tier one is always three.
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      Tier two is always six or seven for anybody with teenage kids.
    • 00:55:14
      They think that's funny.
    • 00:55:18
      But I did not do that on purpose, I promise.
    • 00:55:21
      So our base scenario, just to summarize, at that lower funding level, if we just took this at face value, it pulls in that Buckingham Connect route, the route seven improvements and the trolley improvements.
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      And then at the tier two or the higher funding level, we would pick up standardsville.
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      the 10, the 9, the Lovingston Connect, which would be an enhancement of an existing route.
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      Route 5 and US 29 North are on here together and they're coupled together in all of these alternatives simply because they cover exactly the same geography, which means from a prioritization perspective, they're essentially the same score, but they meet two very different needs.
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      So we need to do some more work working with Mike and working with Garland,
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      to pull those routes apart for the final prioritization effort, prioritization implementation strategy effort, but you'll see those together tonight in the six and the four.
    • 00:56:22
      So the next thing I'm going to show you is takes that base scenario and what we do is we add in a factor that incorporates those outcomes, so the cost per rider.
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      and now we're basically using two scales to rate each project and we need to pull them together in a blended or weighted average to get to a reshuffling of the deck, so to speak.
    • 00:56:55
      So just for the purposes of conversation and a place to start tonight, what I have done is that prioritization that you saw in May is 70% of the weight of these rankings
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      But 30% of the weight of these rankings is based on that cost per rider.
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      So that's going to bring in ridership.
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      that's going to bring in cost effectiveness and let's see what that does.
    • 00:57:18
      We can change those weightings.
    • 00:57:19
      Trust me, I've done it.
    • 00:57:21
      So I kind of can give you a little insight into it, but how much you weight either side of that prioritization can be changed.
    • 00:57:29
      But just for the sake of discussion, this is 70.
    • 00:57:31
      Ooh, I hit something too far.
    • 00:57:33
      70% on the prioritization and 30% based on the cost per rider.
    • 00:57:42
      So scenario-wise, you see the two lines, three and six in this version.
    • 00:57:48
      This slide will tell you what that means.
    • 00:57:52
      So differences from the base, interestingly enough, your top three are still your top three.
    • 00:57:57
      They're just in different order.
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      Your second grouping, that tier two, we move Route 3 in to what would be a funding scenario.
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      But Livingston Connect and the Route 4 drop out of the funding scenario and fall below that red line.
    • 00:58:17
      Something to think about when you start thinking about costs, like a cost effectiveness, I really don't like that term when it comes to transit, but it's the best thing we've got to call it.
    • 00:58:27
      It's just inherently when you start talking about routes like Livingston Connect, they cover
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      They're a long route.
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      They have a lot of costs associated with them.
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      They provide a vital transportation connection, but generally they have less ridership than your urban core.
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      And so it's really incumbent upon all of us when you start talking about blending these two pieces of scenario, two different ways to prioritize into a blended scenario that we don't overweight costs and lose the footprint piece of our,
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      of having a very, word is not there tonight.
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      But you want to have a diverse package of improvements.
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      You want to be able to find, I think we talked about it a lot when we started with prioritization about finding the balance between footprint and intensity.
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      And I think this is where you start to see that when you add the cost factors in.
    • 00:59:24
      So I'm going to pause there because I feel like I'm throwing a ton of numbers and data and tables at you.
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      talk about this one.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 00:59:36
      I'll stay from a very initial first watch.
    • 00:59:42
      Various immediate like feedback.
    • 00:59:44
      One scenario, I think what we're seeing is that we have fairly robust data to start with, right?
    • 00:59:51
      The lack of shuffle, really only one thing got shuffled in and out indicates really strong robustness and also makes me
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      slightly favor the idea of using the blended scenario, personally.
    • 01:00:07
      I think the bigger reaction is already, right, like if this is entirely on our shoulders as governments without any new funding, which obviously that's kind of part of it, but you know 12 million even between two governments kind of makes me blush as an annualized boss and seeing that that is going to be
    • 01:00:30
      A frustratingly long one, too.
    • 01:00:34
      Boy then, pulled into Chennai.
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      There was a bunch of cabs waiting in Chennai to take us somewhere.
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      And we didn't know anything about where we were in Chennai.
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      And all these cabs, they're just waiting there for all the people coming off the boat.
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      So they just are immediately like, we get it, we don't know what to do.
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      We're like, take us to the bazaar.
    • 01:00:52
      And they take us to like their buddy's place where they sell a bunch of tourist strategies.
    • 01:00:56
      We all get excited, get a bunch of tourist strategies.
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      And then we rig up.
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      And they're like, oh, these are $80 apiece, because it's a hustle with their buttons, right?
    • 01:01:05
      We've got a big bag of things that we were really excited to get, assuming we're going to be on the bottom of any of them.
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      And you realize they actually can't buy anything.
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      And it's very frustrating.
    • 01:01:16
      Anyway, looking at this list did make me feel like, ah, I've been going through the shop in Chennai for a while and getting really excited about all the tourist challenges I'm going to have right now, only to get to the register.
    • 01:01:30
      So I will give you, Mike and I, we talked about this earlier today.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:01:46
      So in kind of optimizing these service improvements, it takes you from where you are today up here, like in one big job, which operationally you would not make one big job.
    • 01:02:00
      And so I'm going to cut to the end and then I'll come back.
    • 01:02:03
      But what we want to spend a little more time on
    • 01:02:07
      specifically with Mike and Garland is what's this jump instead of this jump because that's going to give you the ability to pull more things in but we had to start somewhere and we had so many different options we kind of like what would where would we like to be and then we kind of go to the same thing it's like okay it's three like that's that's a lot of skin in the game for three what you will see in the end will have more than three I will say it's
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:02:35
      It's a good three because I think it's pretty representative in just three rounds of some of the core they need across everything.
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      It's got a very dense, entirely urban home.
    • 01:02:46
      You've got moderate hall route into our main thrust of suburbia, about 29, and you've got a long hall route that specifically serves as a rule.
    • 01:02:58
      That makes sense as the three rounds.
    • 01:03:01
      I will also just add, since
    • 01:03:04
      We all had kind of a spit take about bucking and then being so decisively top-graded.
    • 01:03:09
      I've had several people from Southside and bucking and reaching out to me saying, what do I need to do to make sure this happens?
    • 01:03:16
      Like a lot of people, very excited.
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      The town of Scottsville submitted an official note to me saying we all enthusiastically support this, what we need to do to make it happen.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:03:30
      support that specifically, or support just more- Support intensification of the Buckingham Amendment.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:03:39
      That's what they- I'm telling you, I can follow up with you, I don't want to.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:03:43
      No, I believe you, but that's just because that's what's being proposed.
    • 01:03:48
      Is that the solution for FAFSA, or is that just something that helps them so they're advocating for it, but is there a different thing that would help FAFSA without the full Buckingham Act?
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:04:01
      I hear what you're saying, what would you specifically propose, like an identification that cuts off Sal and James?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:04:09
      What does Scott Phil get now?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:04:13
      Scott Phil does have the ability to get on that buck we didn't connect right now.
    • 01:04:20
      So we shouldn't think of, because of the naming convention, and that's the, you know, the end point that it's only bucking because there's a lot of Omaha flips on it.
    • 01:04:31
      But there are also services that circulate people in the Scottsville, Gene Esmond in their own area and services that bring them into town separately apart from them.
    • 01:04:46
      This service in particular is obviously very targeted at commuters.
    • 01:04:54
      How do you get people who've been
    • 01:04:56
      all the way long haul, you know, early in the day and at the end of the day.
    • 01:05:02
      And then as we're getting feedback from people who arrive at us like that, there is some quite a lot of feedback as Taylor can say, and the pack people get without like, hey, what about sometimes when I need to get back in the middle, right?
    • 01:05:17
      And that's why two of our demonstration grants this year are added in that for the people and for Van and Melissa.
    • 01:05:24
      does it spread heard on the BBC and the Mobility Management Office so often?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:05:32
      I guess I'm just thinking like, you know, the further out and more rural you go, the poorer people, there are maybe left on the bus.
    • 01:05:41
      And so do you, if you're picking up people along the way to push you to get to town, so is there a way, I don't know if this is a part of the study or the plans,
    • 01:05:54
      where you have the Scottsville connect and the additional gate connecting connect.
    • 01:05:59
      So that is more frequent or larger or whatever.
    • 01:06:02
      That makes more people closer to town where you're not doing the whole route because by the end you don't need all of those seats.
    • 01:06:08
      But if you're able to capture more people closer where there's more people who are able to be captured.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:06:14
      I think that's sort of what Kim was thinking at of how we may be able to have sort of steps in implementing a larger form of the
    • 01:06:22
      And I will also say this is, you know, this is very again, high level planning.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:06:50
      These prioritized routes start to move forward.
    • 01:06:54
      Mike, Garland, Kat, John, they're going to have to do much more detailed service planning to get to that question.
    • 01:07:01
      And that's where you'll see some of the routes on here where Kat's done service optimization plan, and you've got a 2A and a 2B or, you know, some different kind of service profiles with a trunk line.
    • 01:07:12
      They've done a lot more work to get to that level than we will come out of the study.
    • 01:07:16
      So I will say there will be more work to come with additional
    • 01:07:21
      focus on these routes going forward.
    • 01:07:25
      Interestingly enough, I mean, this is all on a spreadsheet.
    • 01:07:27
      So I changed the weighting all the way to 50-50 and to 80-20.
    • 01:07:34
      It doesn't really shuffle it that much.
    • 01:07:37
      And so I kind of looked at all of them and said, you know, 70-30 leaves us with the emphasis on what we did in the beginning.
    • 01:07:44
      I like, I really appreciate your comments because I do think it shows that we were
    • 01:07:48
      We were in a pretty good place coming out of that first phase of prioritization.
    • 01:07:52
      But ridership is so important, which is exactly what I'm hearing from you.
    • 01:07:57
      Ridership is important.
    • 01:07:58
      Cost is important.
    • 01:07:59
      So I think adding that to create this blended scenario, I think as this moves forward in discussions about resources and where resources come from, having those factors as part of your prioritization, I think is important.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:08:18
      Ready to move on?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:08:22
      All right, so I'm going to show you another scenario.
    • 01:08:26
      I saw everybody's face when I said I took routes out of the scenario, and I'm going to take more routes out, and you guys are going to give me another face that doesn't look great, but I got to show you this so you can think about it.
    • 01:08:37
      CARTA's boundaries or CARTA's boundaries?
    • 01:08:40
      So this removes all the options, and these are just scenarios.
    • 01:08:44
      I'm not making any recommendations, but removes everything that
    • 01:08:47
      goes outside of Albemarle and Charlottesville.
    • 01:08:50
      So this is just like, we're just in our own little zone right here.
    • 01:08:54
      So we're talking about fewer routes.
    • 01:08:58
      Same picture.
    • 01:08:58
      What does it mean?
    • 01:09:02
      Route 7 and Trolley still end up in the funding scenario.
    • 01:09:05
      This one, because we lose our connect routes to the outer counties, we pick up the Route 10.
    • 01:09:12
      And then Tier 2, same kind of
    • 01:09:15
      six route strategy.
    • 01:09:18
      So we lose Buckingham, we lose the Standardsville 29, which gives you that additional frequency up the 29 corridor.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:09:24
      It does pick up Crozet Connect.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:09:36
      I thought that, yes, thank you for
    • 01:09:39
      So it's the next one below the line.
    • 01:09:47
      So when we go back and refine their service assumptions, those lines are going to move.
    • 01:09:57
      So the first one I showed you was like the cart of geography only based on just the base presentation.
    • 01:10:03
      This is the blended, this is adding that
    • 01:10:06
      and a green column with the weighted 70-30 again.
    • 01:10:10
      And it does nothing.
    • 01:10:14
      It gives you the exact same routes and the exact same tiers as where we were in the last one.
    • 01:10:21
      It moves some order around in tier two, but it's, you know, again, I think it continues to emphasize that our original prioritization is kind of honing in based on your
    • 01:10:33
      Goals and the vision plan, we're matching those up pretty consistently.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:10:39
      I do want to just flag a distinction that isn't being made that I think deserves to be made, which is it's not a binary in CARTA out of CARTA.
    • 01:10:48
      It's actually a triple category in CARTA, can be in CARTA, can't be in CARTA.
    • 01:10:56
      So like the can be in CARTA would embrace
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:11:12
      Because then you've got the outside of the planning district component.
    • 01:11:17
      So you're exactly right.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:11:20
      Well, is it synonymous with the planning district?
    • 01:11:23
      Or is there like a line in there to be like, I can't remember if green is a place in the... Any of the jurisdictions in the planning district have requested one?
    • 01:11:34
      Okay.
    • 01:11:35
      I raised this before, but I will also raise it again.
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      We're going to be asking to change the existing law when we ask for funding authority.
    • 01:11:48
      If we want, we can change if we have to buy it.
    • 01:11:53
      So I just submit that.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:11:56
      It's way easier to crack the code once than more than once.
    • 01:12:01
      So just something to think about in terms of what geography we should include in the strategy.
    • 01:12:10
      So the last one, this one's going to be the easiest one of the day.
    • 01:12:12
      This is what if we take the capital out and we just focus on operating?
    • 01:12:16
      This is something that came up kind of in the conversations around the edges as we were working as a way to kind of see if we could pull more routes into the scenario.
    • 01:12:25
      It's going to be a huge letdown because
    • 01:12:30
      We're going to get the same thing because, again, the state is so generous with matching rates.
    • 01:12:35
      Those capital costs are relatively low.
    • 01:12:38
      Personally, I would caution you from breaking capital and operating apart because you want those things to go together.
    • 01:12:42
      So honestly, this scenario isn't here to show you that from a policy point of view, it really doesn't impact what comes out at the other end.
    • 01:12:55
      So that gets us back to a slide that looks like where we started, that we've got three things that I kind of need some direction from you so that we can go back and refine this over the next really couple of weeks and come back to you with something that is much more solidified at the end of August.
    • 01:13:17
      So the first one is that
    • 01:13:22
      Either we stick with the base prioritization or we go with the blended.
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      So we include cost and ridership.
    • 01:13:29
      So should we do that?
    • 01:13:31
      How do you want to handle the routes?
    • 01:13:36
      To your point, inside and outside of Albemarle, we're really also about inside and outside of the PDC and then the question about eligible costs for capital.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:13:44
      I mean, what is,
    • 01:13:52
      What happens to the BAF?
    • 01:13:59
      How do we coordinate with the localities outside of the PEC?
    • 01:14:03
      What does that actually look like in practice?
    • 01:14:07
      If we're doing them in this and they're like, yeah, what's Mike, I mean, Mike has to do this already.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:14:15
      So I'm kind of putting you on the spot.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:14:16
      Like, what does it look like when you're I would also say and every route that this would apply to
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:14:22
      Yeah, so for all the pieces that take place within the PDC, this is who deals with that.
    • 01:14:44
      But for connecting with outside, what's the action like
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      communication mechanism?
    • 01:14:49
      How do we inform them of this as an opportunity?
    • 01:14:52
      Or do you just do it and say, here?
    • 01:14:55
      Like, what is it?
    • 01:14:55
      How does that relationship work?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:14:58
      Well, I think that Buckinghams are only being consumed, for example.
    • 01:15:05
      And then you just say, I spent, what, 90 minutes with the county executive in the movies the other day.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:15:11
      You've got Gordonsville in there, too.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:15:15
      I don't think it gets big work.
    • 01:15:18
      They're getting picked up.
    • 01:15:23
      They're not getting hurt.
    • 01:15:28
      Okay.
    • 01:15:29
      Okay.
    • 01:15:30
      Let's discard those from our thinking altogether.
    • 01:15:35
      Um, because like world transit, there's a major emphasis on this idea that we would get people from Western, uh, you know,
    • 01:15:43
      not necessarily all of Charlottesville.
    • 01:15:44
      They want to just move people to Zions Crossroads because there's enough retail and medical there that that would be better for them than maybe Golderich.
    • 01:15:53
      That was their theory and they wanted another job to do that.
    • 01:15:56
      We're not trying to expand in that way, right?
    • 01:15:58
      So I think the, so the thing is about, right?
    • 01:16:04
      And so certainly we're in conversation with Brett McKeon at a level their services are, they're aware that this is happening
    • 01:16:15
      of Medellin County, making sure that they want to put up the match money out of their Texas capitol for a demo grant.
    • 01:16:24
      They're very tuned into that.
    • 01:16:26
      They're interested to see what's going to happen.
    • 01:16:29
      And they want to know some things in a booth of concept for a live meeting, right?
    • 01:16:34
      He asked me like, is there going to be money in some way from this or from a demo grant like I've got this year?
    • 01:16:42
      to prove to my board that we should add connect routes from Louisa, right?
    • 01:16:46
      Like that was this very specific question.
    • 01:16:48
      And so how I think about the list as it's coming forward and then shuffled many times is where are the best opportunities for Charlottesville and Albemarle and the Carta boards to demonstrate the value proposition once again, to the other people in the PBC about why they opt to be partners
    • 01:17:10
      because the other part of all these connect routes, whether it's for employers, a lot of people are getting off at UVA for sure, or for people who are coming to other, or other reasons, they're coming into the city of Albemarle and there is a value to the city and county of moving people from the region, talent from the region who want to come work here in and out every day without bringing their car.
    • 01:17:35
      And so, like, there may be, I understand, some heartburn about, like, well, should the city or county be paying for this route that's moving, blue banner incidents?
    • 01:17:46
      Well, there is at least some hope that you're going to demonstrate to them in the long run, yeah, they ought to be paying for that, too, right?
    • 01:17:53
      They should partner with you all, too, because you're benefiting from all those people coming in, working here, and spending the money.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:18:08
      We, as individual localities and DBAs, gave them a portion of their local costs, which we share with the localities on the other side of the mountain.
    • 01:18:16
      So there's an example out there, an opportunity that we have successfully pulled off in the past.
    • 01:18:23
      We've done it as individual localities.
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      We could do something similar as a region together.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:18:31
      I guess my question is,
    • 01:18:37
      What complications arise from the fact that they are not in the PDC?
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:18:44
      It would have to be that Taylor asked the General Assemblyman, I think.
    • 01:18:50
      They wanted a vote on it.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:18:53
      We could have sent service to them, and they would have a vote on it.
    • 01:18:56
      They would be an informal, have a vote process.
    • 01:18:58
      That could be.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:18:59
      Right now, Charlottesville and Albemarle
    • 01:19:05
      are each 28% voters of Johnson.
    • 01:19:08
      Louisa, Savannah, and Nelson are 14% voters.
    • 01:19:13
      Green and Buckingham have significant amounts of service, but they don't get the vote.
    • 01:19:19
      They buy service.
    • 01:19:20
      And so there is also this other category of partnership with the other.
    • 01:19:26
      And that means maybe they may not be able to pass the legislation to have the
    • 01:19:34
      separate funding stream, right, in those areas and they'd have to look at their match money out of their general fund.
    • 01:19:43
      But that's up to that jurisdiction.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:19:48
      In some ways, and someone correct me if I'm over-simplifying this, it seems like our relationship with Buckingham building forward, we want them to defend.
    • 01:19:58
      The relationship between Cardiff and Buckingham to look, frankly, very much like
    • 01:20:03
      the relationship between the city and the county clerk, where we agreed to buy a certain amount of service from you.
    • 01:20:11
      We don't have a vote on how, we talked a little bit in this budget cycle about how the tail was kind of wagging the dog on our service, right?
    • 01:20:18
      We had a service, we had a charging release for service intensification when CAT is due.
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      That isn't necessarily in our service area, but it's part of it.
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      We can always not pay you, but we're going to keep paying.
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      And so we have that relationship, that economic relationship of buying your service that makes it keep working, even without having a portable vote upon how it shoots into structure.
    • 01:20:55
      I recognize, as the person who represents now at Long County, that it's probably bad politics for me to not just say the intense vacation stops at the James, but I really can't get over the fact that everything stops at the James.
    • 01:21:10
      Like, I bike this rural belt on my foot span that's long distance, very hard core cycle, as you said in the reference comment earlier.
    • 01:21:22
      And when you cross over that big scenic bridge, the change in the quality of housing, in the quality of roads, the quality of services around you, and the color of people you see is instantaneous.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:21:55
      I would say in my experience with other authorities around the state, previous life,
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      there are always in code, there are non-voting members of authorities.
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      So it can be a purchase of service model, or it could be somebody that comes here, sits, listens to your conversations, listens to, and as part of a regional dialogue, just doesn't vote on it.
    • 01:22:20
      There's different, I mean, to that, that happens, that's not an unusual construct of, of a authority in code.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:22:28
      But that's something we would have to figure out.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:22:31
      Potentially, yes.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:22:33
      In between the four of the,
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      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:22:41
      So I think that is what I'm hearing is that is the hardest question that's on here.
    • 01:22:50
      If I can get a clear direction on the other two, and one of them I told you is a really easy question.
    • 01:22:56
      So if I could get clear direction on the other two, I can bring you back some options and let you look at some things with some refined data and let you see how you feel about it.
    • 01:23:06
      If you want to continue that conversation on kind of the geographic thing without slowing us down, I feel like we can do that.
    • 01:23:17
      So the two is, do you want the base or the blended?
    • 01:23:22
      So do you want to include that cost per rider weight
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      Wait in the prioritization and whether or not you would want to exclude the capital from the cost calculation, which I think isn't easy.
    • 01:23:38
      That one, I think it's not my question to answer, but that one's a lot more straightforward than the other two.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:23:50
      Hi, Elizabeth.
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      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:24:03
      Not looking for a very, is that general consensus that I can go work like that and bring you back something that reflects that in August?
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:24:21
      I argue that the Blundons make sense.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:24:24
      Especially since everybody on it was a huge difference.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:24:31
      And again, don't get hung up on that because we're going to go back and refine some costs and some things into your mix of routes and how far those lines go will look different when we come back.
    • 01:25:01
      All right, so with that, here's what I have on my to-do list to come back to you on the 24th.
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      It's my child's first day of college.
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      We've got a lot of work to do, but I'm comfortable that we will be back here with something that you can really chew on at the end of the month.
    • 01:25:25
      We're going to revise the scenarios based on what I've heard tonight, focused on that blended.
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      We're going to take the whole cost separation out of discussion.
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      We're going to refine the funding options.
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      It's not a whole lot to do there, but we're just going to go back and dot our i's, cross our t's.
    • 01:25:43
      The big pieces of work ahead are optimizing those service assumptions.
    • 01:25:49
      Like we've gone to here, like is there a place that's somewhere in the middle that feels good that from the operator perspective is the right place to be for 2030?
    • 01:25:58
      We also have a public survey that's out right now.
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      We want to get that wrapped up.
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      We want to be able to give you some insight from that because we're asking the public like what's important to you.
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      So I think that'll be helpful as well.
    • 01:26:12
      Plan is to come back to you on the 24th with a draft strategy because we still have this open question about the geography we're going to give you.
    • 01:26:19
      It's going to be another night, like tonight, where you see some different if this, if that.
    • 01:26:26
      I will throw in the TJPDC, not TJPDC, just if we want to throw that in as well.
    • 01:26:34
      Key disclaimers is why we started with illustrative.
    • 01:26:37
      Everything that you saw ranking and funding scenario wise, what's in, what's not in, is all going to look different next time.
    • 01:26:44
      So just like, you know, for those that are listening, don't get hung up on it.
    • 01:26:50
      It's illustrative.
    • 01:26:52
      Let us go back and come back with more information.
    • 01:26:56
      But this conversation has been very helpful to me to be able to do that.
    • 01:27:01
      So we'll see you in August and September.
    • 01:27:04
      So we are on track to finish up, finish up them.
    • 01:27:09
      That took up way too much time, but thank you guys.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:27:12
      Appreciate it.
    • 01:27:15
      And then we've got a Castillo Salitas in a chat about the Chapel Hill trip and an update I assume on them filming the visit us.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 01:27:29
      Chair Ashford, I just want to check in with you on time.
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      If it still works for me to do this, I can do it.
    • 01:27:35
      If you guys want to punt it to the next meeting and or the not special session, but the next one, I'm prepared to do that.
    • 01:27:42
      Just want to make sure I don't hold us up, but I'm also prepared to present if you would like me to.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:27:46
      I think given that two or three transit agency reps are not here, those remarks will probably be short enough that we can fit in one presentation also.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 01:27:55
      Perfect.
    • 01:27:56
      I will carry on then.
    • 01:27:57
      I'm going to share my screen.
    • 01:28:03
      Here we go.
    • 01:28:04
      Let me know if it comes up and then I'll put it in full screen mode.
    • 01:28:11
      Super delay.
    • 01:28:12
      Wow.
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      Is it showing yet?
    • 01:28:17
      No.
    • 01:28:18
      Yep.
    • 01:28:19
      It is showing.
    • 01:28:20
      Okay, great.
    • 01:28:21
      All right, so I had the pleasure of joining the chamber to chamber visit.
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      There are at least two of you that I can see, Mr. Silsdorf and Councillor Ostrom that were also on the trip.
    • 01:28:33
      So I would encourage you all to add any commentary that you have.
    • 01:28:38
      In full disclosure, I did not create this slide deck.
    • 01:28:41
      I took the one that was used in Chapel Hill and deleted a handful of slides just based on the amount of time that we have and then added a couple of summary statements just to bring it together.
    • 01:28:53
      So the overview was Chapel Hill is actually one of the largest transit systems in all of North Carolina.
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      It has over 2 million riders per year.
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      It serves Chapel Hill, Carrboro,
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      and the University of North Carolina, so UNC at Chapel Hill.
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      And then there's some data here on their coverage.
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      So they do the fixed route system for the university, Chapel Hill and Carrboro.
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      It's about 20 weekday services, different routes and 12 weekend routes.
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      It also covers their ADA service, which they call Easy Rider.
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      They do both the short and the long range planning for the three of those entities.
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      And they do all the marketing, public relations and are responsible for all the major transit initiatives, which some of them I'll show a little bit later.
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      It is a large operation, over 200 staff.
    • 01:29:43
      About 158 of those are in operations, 34 in maintenance and 16 in the administrative team.
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      And then the fleet is about 113 revenue vehicles.
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      So of their 93 full-size buses, about 15 are hybrid and 18 are electric.
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      The rest are not.
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      And then they have 20 demand response vehicles.
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      They have a partner committee structure.
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      So while the transit service is actually a department of the town of Chapel Hill, so it is a municipally owned and operated service, it is actually advised by a partner's committee.
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      And that partner's committee is made up of three representatives from the town of Chapel Hill, all three council members, three representatives from the town of Carrboro.
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      So two were council members and one was the assistant town manager and three from UNC.
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      They have the associate vice chancellor for real estate and campus enterprises, and then both the director and the associate director of transportation.
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      And the nine member committee structure is actually what provides policy and financial guidance to the town of Chapel Hill who ultimately has to make the decisions.
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      They shared that they use a consensus based decision making model, which means if all nine members do not share consensus,
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      They do not move it forward to the town of Chapel Hill.
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      They come back and they work back through it until all nine show consensus.
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      This is their most recent approved budget or the one that they at least shared while we were down there for the 26 fiscal year.
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      The adopted budget was about $36.5 million.
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      6% of that is in federal revenues.
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      9% is in state revenues.
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      More than 60% is in local revenues.
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      And of that, you'll see the little asterisks that they included.
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      The two towns and the university share the annual operating and capital costs, and it's all based on a contractual service.
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      So once you apply both the federal and the state revenue, the university then pays 100% of the costs associated with the routes within the university.
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      And then they do a cost share on all of the other local routes in the ADA service.
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      There's also about 19% of their funding comes from the Orange County Transit Plan.
    • 01:32:04
      We didn't get a deep dive into this while we were on the trip, but there is a,
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      Triangle Transit Authority.
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      So that's more of a regional, super regional transit authority that has dedicated revenue that comes in that then puts funding towards specific initiatives.
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      And they do anything from you'll see there it says NSBRT.
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      That's the Bus Rapid Transit.
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      There's a slide on that a little bit later.
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      But they also do things like Amtrak service, regional commuter routes, things like that.
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      So there's some funding that comes in to the Town of Chapel Hill for that service.
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      And then they have 1.7 in other funding, which they did not detail.
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      The other thing that was important that they noted is it is 100% fare-free system for all riders.
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      They have a couple of very major initiatives that are going on right now.
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      The very first of that is facility expansion.
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      One thing that's unique is they own all of their property, so any expansion is within their own grounds.
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      They are putting in a couple of extra electric, but as you saw, their fleet was not primarily hybrid and electric, so it was more capacity that they needed.
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      They're also in the middle of their short range transit plan started with a planning study in 2019, which is currently being implemented, looking at increasing frequency, looking at equity in Sunday service, increasing ridership and the sustainability of the system.
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      Another major initiative is they did a bus stop inventory and improvement project.
    • 01:33:34
      They're looking at all of their different stops and what improvements can be put in.
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      You can see in the bottom is one of their standard designs for bus stops.
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      And then their largest initiative is the Bus Rapid Transit.
    • 01:33:47
      For anybody that was on that trip, we did a lot of other sessions related to affordable housing, zoning and planning, and there's a significant amount of development, housing development and otherwise, that's happening along this north-south corridor.
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      So they are putting in bus rapid transit as a massive investment in the area.
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      It's highly state funded.
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      It's about $125 million project.
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      It'll have about 3.5 million in annual operating costs of the 8.2 miles.
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      5.7 of that is exclusive transit lanes.
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      So your typical bus rapid transit, there's a couple miles that are integrated with other through traffic.
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      There'll be 17 additional stops.
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      They will be connecting existing park and ride lots on the north end and the south end.
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      And then they'll be serving the town of Chapel Hill, UNC's campus, and all of the UNC hospital system.
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      And it also will have connections to their regional transit service.
    • 01:34:44
      So we didn't learn a lot about this while we were down there, but GoTriangle is their regional service that goes between the three major metropolitan areas in that area.
    • 01:34:55
      I didn't do a ton of deep dive.
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      I wanted to share a pretty high level.
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      This system is really fascinating.
    • 01:35:02
      When we were down there, we learned a lot of really great stuff.
    • 01:35:04
      I think Councilor Ochsner and Mr. Solsdorf can add some more color if they would like to.
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      It is unique in that it is, it's not like our area because they have always been an integrated service through the town of Chapel Hill.
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      It's always been a single provider.
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      They've never had to do any kind of consolidation.
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      But it's also a fairly impressive service.
    • 01:35:23
      When we were down there, you know, as we went through all of our sessions, they're like, hey, just jump on the bus whenever you want to get back.
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      It'll take you where you need to go, and it'll be here within seven or 10 minutes.
    • 01:35:33
      So it was a really great opportunity for us to learn from another area that's very similar in size and makeup to Charlottesville.
    • 01:35:42
      I'm leaving Mr. Litchfield's information on here.
    • 01:35:45
      He was incredibly gracious to the team that was down here, even in follow-up questions that I sent him.
    • 01:35:50
      He said anything and anytime we can connect with you guys, we would, we would love to hear more, not only about your service, but how are we have similarities.
    • 01:35:59
      So I'm leaving his information.
    • 01:36:00
      He said that was okay to do that.
    • 01:36:02
      And then I'm happy to take other questions, but more than likely, I will log those questions and get back to you because I am not necessarily an expert on their system.
    • 01:36:12
      So high level overview, wanted to share it with you guys.
    • 01:36:14
      Happy to take any questions.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:36:17
      Awesome.
    • 01:36:17
      Great.
    • 01:36:18
      Thanks for the recap.
    • 01:36:19
      Before we open to questions, Scott, was there anything you wanted to add?
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:36:23
      I think that was a good summary.
    • 01:36:27
      I think the only other thing that I learned on that trip that Christine didn't say was, and I've heard this from other operators that are further down the road on electrification,
    • 01:36:40
      They had one fully catch on fire.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:36:51
      It was like a movie set.
    • 01:36:55
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:36:56
      And I didn't, I had to imagine that.
    • 01:37:03
      Well,
    • 01:37:03
      I mean, there were forcemen that happened at the depot after I was on it.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:37:11
      And then he was also honest about their hybrid buses, right?
    • 01:37:23
      Like us, they have the first gen that are over a decade old and have all sorts of problems.
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      and should we invest in new ones?
    • 01:37:34
      Have they solved that problem yet or is it just now we're going to be as good and we should avoid it?
    • 01:37:40
      So they're grappling with that question as well.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 01:37:44
      I would also, they have a very extensive park and ride lot system where they have a lot of lots that are surrounding the urban core where folks are coming in in vehicles and then coming into town and into the university
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      using the transit system.
    • 01:38:00
      And then also, I think it's important to note, but I don't know what weight it bears for the planning that we have to do, but the state of North Carolina is fairly different in that they don't have the incorporated cities that are separate from the counties.
    • 01:38:13
      And so the city is within the county.
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      And so when folks live in the city, they're paying a tax both to the city and the county.
    • 01:38:21
      And so they're sharing a lot of the responsibility on the provision of transit.
    • 01:38:25
      So I just think that's a really interesting difference.
    • 01:38:29
      But, you know, just something to note.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:38:32
      Yeah, I was just gonna mention the park and rides.
    • 01:38:34
      They talked about how they, they price them so that it's cheaper than parking on campus.
    • 01:38:42
      And it used to be free to do the park and ride.
    • 01:38:46
      But then they added a fare.
    • 01:38:48
      I don't remember if that was a COVID thing or not.
    • 01:38:51
      But then they added a fare.
    • 01:38:52
      It generated some revenue, but it also drove down usage slightly, but didn't seem to drive it down enough to revert back to fare-free.
    • 01:39:01
      And then, the woman since we have our bus stop expert in the room, something that they also noted was they work on 18 to 20 bus stop improvements a year, which seemed like
    • 01:39:18
      a lot.
    • 01:39:19
      Well, it seems like a lot because, you know, how many of them are going to be that easy if you have to do the full ADA?
    • 01:39:28
      I'm sure he's already staffed enough that he gets to that.
    • 01:39:31
      Yeah, that's good.
    • 01:39:33
      That's good.
    • 01:39:33
      They noted that 100 out of the 400 staffs have shelters.
    • 01:39:37
      So there's more staffs that they're working with.
    • 01:39:41
      OK, that's all I've got at the moment.
    • 01:39:45
      Anyone have questions?
    • 01:39:48
      Questions either for us who were there or for Christine to pass on?
    • 01:39:56
      Okay.
    • 01:39:57
      Thanks, Christine.
    • 01:40:00
      They're coming back.
    • 01:40:01
      They're coming to visit here at the end of September.
    • 01:40:05
      So, you and I have four.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:40:07
      I guess I have a question.
    • 01:40:10
      What sort of festivities do we have planned for them?
    • 01:40:14
      Yeah, normally we live to build we get.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:40:16
      But I think they're coming back Sunday, so I don't know if they're going to be here in time.
    • 01:40:22
      In the beginning, they might be here in time to be at the end.
    • 01:40:25
      I don't know, do you want to organize a bus for a video?
    • 01:40:30
      Yeah, if anyone has a fun thing that they're interested in, or a fun or educational thing that they want to incorporate into that trip, there's a very capable person planning that, but I'm sure
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      suggestions are going to be welcomed.
    • 01:40:47
      And Christine, do you mind if people send suggestions to you?
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 01:40:50
      Yeah, that'd be great.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:40:52
      Yeah.
    • 01:40:53
      Yeah.
    • 01:40:54
      You've got to, like, I think it would be really cool to, um, one of the things that was great about the NAFTA conference, those new transportation official conference, uh, that Zoe also was on with me.
    • 01:41:08
      was then coordinated with Line, which is their scooter bike share provider, to have free usage for all the conference attendees so you can get out and travel around.
    • 01:41:18
      So I think something like that for our video access to the Travelville guests, because Travelville does not have a bike for scooter share, and that was a notable thing.
    • 01:41:29
      We were at the valve a lot, and I kept wanting to just grab a scooter and get back, but there wasn't one.
    • 01:41:35
      And so I think it would be fun for them to see
    • 01:41:39
      That not just because it's something different, but if they did want to break out and go explore Charlottesville outside of what is programmed, that's an easy way to do it and have a little more flexibility than sticking with just transit.
    • 01:41:57
      Because I assume we'll have transit opportunities already, but if they get a free code of Bayo, I think that would be cool.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:42:03
      Yeah, if we can contact Bayo, we'll contact you.
    • 01:42:06
      It should be easy to do that sort of thing.
    • 01:42:10
      Yeah, there you go.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:42:13
      They want to ride in little cuties.
    • 01:42:16
      Yeah.
    • 01:42:17
      The cutie busters.
    • 01:42:18
      Cuties, what a good help.
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:42:20
      The eejests.
    • 01:42:21
      Yeah.
    • 01:42:21
      Not as fun as the cuties.
    • 01:42:23
      The cuties, yep.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:42:24
      Yeah, but that would be, if you...
    • 01:42:26
      They might even be rats, but... Yeah, we're going to see rats and inbred worms, though, like a little cutie, clementine.
    • 01:42:32
      Clementine is right, yeah.
    • 01:42:36
      Okay, great.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:42:39
      Well, that's actually a good segue to transition to transit agency.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:42:51
      I do want to know, since Mike had to leave early, he did send me a couple of bullets to read all of them.
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:42:59
      So I'm happy to go after.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:43:01
      Okay.
    • 01:43:02
      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:43:02
      Respecting the agenda, I'm left, so.
    • 01:43:04
      I don't really have much, as I alluded to, a lot of it is our busy student orientation, and I've been in a bigger role in that than I had in the past few years at UVA.
    • 01:43:15
      But it has been really fascinating, because I think everybody knows in the room that our first year is anchoring cars.
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      And so I've been trying to be like the Mr.
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      Transit, like, look, if there's ever a time to learn how to ride a bus, it's when you're a student at UVA, and it's like, we got free rides on cast,
    • 01:43:33
      We got three rides on UVA Transit.
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      Our drivers are all friendly.
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      It's a small and easy to understand little town.
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      So that's been kind of the thing that I've been trying to do.
    • 01:43:43
      It's been receptive, you know.
    • 01:43:46
      A lot of parents in the room ask me questions about who can ride and how do I ride and explaining them.
    • 01:43:53
      And then I
    • 01:43:54
      I didn't grab enough of these.
    • 01:43:55
      Well, I'll just pass it around.
    • 01:43:56
      It's just a small group.
    • 01:43:57
      But this is what we basically, we do as a two-day orientation, if you don't know, for all the first years.
    • 01:44:03
      So, and it's mandatory, they do, I guess, eight sessions.
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      It's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, all through July.
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      So the first two-year day is kind of students doing one thing, parents doing the other.
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      And on the second day, one of the things where they come together is the research fair.
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      And that's where we're all standing, you fit in with the ball.
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      It's everything from University Police to the marching band to P&T.
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      Like that's your chance for people to just walk up and ask basic questions.
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      So this flyer is what we have as our giveaway at that.
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      You know, we've got the braze on there, we've got calves on there, and QR pages all throughout.
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      I'll just pass it around.
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      It's like an example of just how we're trying to promote, then understand all the options that they have when they get here as new students.
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      So that's been pretty exciting.
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      It's still summer, so otherwise our service is pretty low.
    • 01:44:58
      I did say previously, yeah, previously we are officially rebranding, so this will be our new bus stop sign, which we're rebranding it up.
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      soon.
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      I don't know if it'll be before opening, but all of the bus stops just say, UTS currently will basically switch to this as our new, and this is, we're not going to go back and reroute a lot of old buses, so UTS is going to slowly kind of taper away, but we are officially going to get traffic.
    • 01:45:32
      The other big one is, I talked previously about the ParaTron service, UDA FlexRide,
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      Our soft launch for that is three weeks away.
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      So we've been doing a lot of work, technical analysis and super building with that to try and work with our Student Disability and Accessibility Center to get incoming students and existing students that have been using DART aware of what we're trying to do with the services.
    • 01:45:57
      So that's kind of exciting too.
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      You know, it's a little different than just peer instruction and stuff.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:46:05
      It's cool to hear
    • 01:46:07
      It doesn't feel like I was at UB that long ago, but I can hear the difference in what services are offered and even just the ability now to, this is really going to age me, but to pull up Google Maps on a phone and how transit is accurate on that, which is useful and kind of an easy, it's like a
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      thing you've already had, already know how to do.
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      So like she said, learning how to ride the bus for the first time, and like, okay, this is a method I already have, now there's just another option that's available.
    • 01:46:45
      And then the paratransit was just fall yellow cab, and then submit your receipt.
    • 01:46:53
      So, we'll see.
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:46:54
      Yeah, we're really excited.
    • 01:46:56
      It's a good time.
    • 01:46:58
      The other quick thing, actually, we talked about that, and it reminded me of another big thing.
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      I don't think, I think I said this before,
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      and the first day of classes, which is going to be the 24th.
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      This year we're actually going to start four or five days earlier on Thursday with first year move in.
    • 01:47:18
      Again, to that same theme of like, okay, you know, the buses are out there, so it's the weekend.
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      Go check them out, ride the buses, see how it goes.
    • 01:47:27
      So it's kind of a little bit in response to the fact that we had a perfect storm of a thunderclap, right, on top of the first year convocation last year.
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      The students hadn't been
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      They didn't know how to get to JPJ.
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      The last minute change from doing it on the lawn to JPJ.
    • 01:47:45
      Well, how did you get to JPJ?
    • 01:47:47
      Well, we've been in the process of starting my first day of movement.
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      It's going to be a little tricky this first two days to do all the cars for them, you know, dropping off all their belongings, but we're going to have at least four buses on the road and the ability for them to go out and explore the grounds.
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      So we'll see how it goes.
    • 01:48:05
      It feels like summer just started.
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      It's already wrapping up.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:48:13
      Are you getting students at orientation interested in driving buses?
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:48:17
      Yes, parents, when I tell them yes, we will pay you to get your CDL and we're among, if not the highest paid job on grounds for a student to get.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:48:29
      If you're decommissioning all the ETS stuff, where does that go in and how can you take your hands on it?
    • SPEAKER_11
    • 01:48:43
      Yeah, I guess the question is, I mean, the old signs are going to be the first thing.
    • 01:48:47
      I don't even, I guess we'll just, I don't know.
    • 01:48:50
      I know we don't talk about that.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:48:53
      Sure.
    • 01:48:55
      Great, great.
    • 01:48:55
      Thanks.
    • 01:48:56
      And again, guys, any other questions for this time?
    • 01:48:59
      All right.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:49:01
      Okay.
    • 01:49:02
      So the bullets that I have here.
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      First one, thanks to Demonstration Grants, we look forward to adding midday service to and from Loubana and Louisa for fiscal year 27 and 28.
    • 01:49:13
      Similarly, we will be scoping and adding an agreed net service during fiscal year 27.
    • 01:49:18
      Look out for a save the date for a late afternoon john celebration on September 30.
    • 01:49:23
      I believe that's for the 50th anniversary celebration.
    • 01:49:27
      Our microtransit and scheduling software pilot continues to be successful operationally, and we are working with our vendor, which is VIA, to refine reporting options.
    • 01:49:37
      The RFP for our migration to a four-year contract for scheduling software has closed, and we hope to select a vendor in the next 90 days.
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      This will allow on-demand service eventually and our entire service footprint.
    • 01:49:50
      It is our intent to participate in fixed route software selection with CAT later in 2026.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:49:57
      All right, and I didn't see that and I was wearing a new logo Jon shirt outfit.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:50:02
      He did wear a new one.
    • 01:50:04
      I just want to see, I know.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:50:10
      Every time I see that, if I chanted like in the middle of the night, it'll go chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp.
    • 01:50:21
      Okay, great.
    • 01:50:25
      Looking good.
    • 01:50:26
      All right.
    • 01:50:27
      Anyone online have any comments, questions to chime in before we adjourn?
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:50:35
      Wait, I do.
    • 01:50:35
      The jaunt and net new rap is even better than the jaunt.
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      regular wrap.
    • 01:50:42
      So if you haven't seen the next version of it, smoking up a lot.
    • 01:50:46
      It's great.
    • 01:50:47
      So sweet.
    • 01:50:48
      Good job.
    • 01:50:49
      Well done.
    • 01:50:50
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 01:50:52
      Councilor Rocha, I'll just put in a plug.
    • 01:50:55
      I had the pleasure of taking the Virginia breeze recently to the Virginia Local Government Managers Association down in Virginia Beach, VLGMA.
    • 01:51:02
      and knowing that I was going to be at a conference for three days and being able to ride the bus and do work on the whole way down while taking a single occupancy vehicle off of a congested roadway that is also under a lot of construction, it made for a very easy ride.
    • 01:51:19
      So I want to say thanks to DRPT for that service.
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      It was well appreciated.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 01:51:24
      Excellent.
    • 01:51:25
      OK, then if there's no other questions, comments, announcements,
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      concerns, then adjourn on time.
    • 01:51:38
      Bye, everybody.