Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordination Committee Meeting   11/17/2022

I mean this is Ryan's meeting so I feel like I'm kind of taking over at this point.

Are you good?

Sorry Ben, you've been here for like two weeks, but I don't know if you have any thoughts or if you guys have had any conversations you want to add to that.

I was curious if you've seen cost estimates from other regions and if they have had the same level of contingency applied to them as that bike pit bridge across the Rivanna.

I think the other projects though, most of them didn't quite double, but they came pretty close to doubling probably.

And that's because the right-of-way costs, but also they're just like expecting a whole lot of this money to be thrown at it for other random problems.

So

Ask very very early and try to see if we can just squeak out bits and pieces of land here and there to cut down the right-of-way cost because I think for that one the right-of-way cost would have been cut by almost a million dollars if we just acquired school land because that's where the um right about would have been but oh well next time I guess yeah so the the Rivanna River Bridge I mean now the cost estimate is just silly

I mean like that consultant report was like talking about like strip captains going off to fight wars and how we have to account for that in our cost estimates and like it just seemed a bit much, that's all.

So I think we're gonna have to address it from all of those different sort of facets.

Listen to your meeting.

So I think that like they are looking into it already and there is hopefully a solution as far as like equity among the applications and the cost estimates goes.

We're just like, okay, we'll have to be very, I guess, particular about what kind of projects that we think VDOT's gonna like to see as well.

Right.

There's no answer to this question, but I wanted your impression.

I've been to a few.

But we can certainly make sure that they're hearing from us as they decide what that process is going to, may or may not look like.

It is a small group, but shouldn't make assumptions about that.

Awesome.

OK, good.

Thank you, Peter, for doing what we should have done.

It just seemed like this was gonna be a small one, but maybe short too.

Did you wanna talk a little bit about One Map, Ryan?

I'm not sure who at the university participated in this in the past.

It was Bill Palmer.

With simplicity, I think I'm going to start with Albemarle first if no one objects.

He may have some good information for you on the map for UVA stuff.

Thank you, Ben.

So, yeah.

So, but yeah, I might reach out to you in the next couple of days as well.

Yeah, that's fair.

I've gathered a bunch of resources, for example, the draft attribute table, for example,

Okay.

Those are the attributes that I have.

We did speak about it over the summer, so you probably caught it then.

So yeah, I might have to go back and plug in some data where there is not.

But you could strip out probably 9 10ths of those fields, and it will still be fine.

Ben Alberic, I don't know if you all have any thoughts, and Lucinda as well.

I couldn't hear you, sorry.

Yeah, if you had any thoughts on that.

So if you want to send me a shape file or something like that, that'd be great.

How many of those projects include, say, sidewalks or,

But I can get back to you on that and see like how many products we have that are sidewalk to mostly sidewalk and start use path focus projects that you're looking for.

Any of those types of projects, whether it's bike facilities or pedestrian facilities, either associated with a new construction project or just out of the counties.

Are you all adding those as map layers now?

Like as those come in are those being updated as map layers?

So we can have a working document of where we know things are happening.

And then the third phase is, how do we make sure that we're continuing to update the information on an ongoing basis?

So I'm just writing this down.

So how those get added when they get built, I don't know how that happens in the county.

Whatever works best for you, basically.

So when the facility does get built, it just falls right into place.

How long has this process been?

I started in 2019 and there were conversations happening.

Ryan's job is to at least get the base map done.

It'll be a key piece of the city's mobility plan when that happens and just make things easier.

Was there anything else you wanted to discuss other than One Map?

So probably in two weeks, you'll see some product on this thing.

So.

OK, cool.

Chris?

But on our end, that's, I think, our major focus right now, and also working with the long range team to kind of work on the multimodal plan whenever that starts happening.

So I'll probably have more to report next time.

So I think when we reconvene on the hub project, we'll find out if any of that affects what is going to happen with the fifth street hub project and how that all ties together.

Are there any updates or like what's next for that, what that means?

I don't know that anybody on this, there probably are, but I don't know that any of us on this meeting have that information.

So we're gonna find out right away about like, you know, how much of the factor inflation really is.

That may or may not be true for projects that are being implemented right now.

Yeah, the ship captains may actually get back on their ships and it's all okay.

Yeah.

Maybe we could help our projects by going and captaining some ships through the Suez Canal for a while.

Sure.

One of the, like for this exact same project with no adjustments from, you know, an estimate a year ago for a building that Nelson County was looking at that the new cost estimates are now two and three times higher than what they were originally.

So it's like interesting to like see this test and hopefully it doesn't wind up being $17 million instead of $8 million.

There's always that possibility too, I guess.

So, and then if so, I could wait until January.

Okay.

So I mean, December is generally busy, but it's not like it's right up against Christmas.

Any updates on that end?

So I'll post a link to that in the chat as well.

I think it also overlaps with a number of other meetings, so we may or may not be able to listen in live to hear the big reveal, but I'll try to follow that.

Thank you.

Would be fine and stressful.

Maybe we'll all be surprised.

I'm pretty confident that we'll have at least one or two projects funded.

So you can place your bets on which projects you think stand the best chance.

Honestly, maybe better than we should have when you look at the collective regions.

It's nothing else.

Take a step back and it comes out average, right?

Yeah, exactly.

Thank you all for attending and we'll reconvene in January.

Have a good day.

Thanks, everybody.