Bicycle and Pedestrian Coordination Committee Meeting   1/21/2021

As you can see, I have our agenda up for today's meeting.

It's a little bit different than what was sent to you and what's posted on our website just because we have some really great information coming from Michael Barnes from VDOT that we wanted to make sure everyone heard today, so that's added in here.

As well as some, we'll talk about SMART SCALE updates because that was some exciting news that came out since I made the agenda.

All right, so I'm going to stop sharing my screen so we can all see each other better.

And let's take a few minutes to do introductions.

So if you're a staff member, just your name and your position and the locality that you work for.

And if you're a member of the public, just your name, the locality you live in, and if you want to say why you're joining us today.

So I'm Jessica Hersh-Ballering.

I am a transportation planner at the TJPDC.

Let's start.

I'm just going to go down the list.

Hey there, I'm Amanda Poncy.

I'm the bicycle and pedestrian coordinator with the city.

Hello, Chris Gensic.

Thanks, Dan.

Yes, I live in Carsbrook.

Thanks.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning, everyone.

Thanks for joining us.

Good morning.

I'm Tom Fitzpatrick.

I'm the VDOT Culpeper District Lab Program Manager.

I'm also in the process of transitioning with Project Coordinator Michael Barnes and picking up TJPDC.

Awesome.

That's right.

OK.

So we'll come back to Tim if Tim can join us.

Right.

Or not.

That's OK, too.

All right.

I'm going to bring up our agenda again.

Okay, so the first thing on our agenda is a one map update.

Yeah, which is our good news?

The bad news is, is that Bob Brown, our city's GIS analyst is going to be leaving us at the end of the month.

So

We're going to be needing someone to kind of pick up this

pieces, I guess, of the One Map Project.

Based on what he has told me, we are still waiting on the county to get the data in the One Map format.

We also are waiting on the county to get the portal, get their GIS portal so that we can link the two city and county portals so that we can have the map displayed in a public format.

And what else I have on that list of things that needed to do.

But we do have the city's data and UVA's data merged and ready to go.

Thanks Amanda and I'll add when Amanda first told me about this there was some talk about things moving over to the TJPDC and I think unfortunately we just do not have the technical expertise needed here to kind of finalize this project.

We're happy to host it as we talked about previously but we just don't have the staff who know enough about GIS to take these final steps that Amanda just talked about.

I think it would be helpful to hear a little bit from the county to know where your information is and if we might get that to Bob before the end of the month.

Well, what I was told from Bob was that the data that you have is not in the one map format.

So I don't know exactly what that means, but that's what I was told.

The county has not submitted a version with the agreed upon field names.

I asked a while back for an updated submission, but haven't heard back.

I'm just kind of shocked because I really, I even said this last meeting was, you know,

There was no update to anything data wise, so what we submitted in the fall I thought was what was needed.

I will follow up on this.

I'll say I haven't been in those conversations through our GIS team and

Bob, so I could be out of the loop, but I just wanted to confirm that I really thought we're in the process of merging and getting this going.

I had no idea that we still needed to update or correct anything, but I'll see what's missing or get the right people discussing that.

I'm not sure what it means by what was agreed upon, meaning the new data.

I don't know what that,

what that means.

I thought we, you know, ironed out all of that stuff.

So if something else was decided on since last, you know, summer, then that's news to me.

And I thought we submitted what was needed early fall with minor, obviously minor updates, minor edits needed and stuff like that.

So I do know about the portal thing is the county's going through an upgrade with their Esri enterprise.

That's past me, but they had been just keeping us updated with that.

That's in the process and this should get that.

Rolling, so I have no clue how that factors in, what is delaying, but I do know like internally, data wise, it's a whole new upgrade and everything like that.

So I assumed the geodatabase, one map geodatabase that we submitted was sufficient and to the protocol that we decided on.

So I'll follow up on that.

I'll make a note and say,

From the county's perspective, from a board member, there is concern about that we do have what is specifically for Ragged Mountain being communicated accurately.

Data wise.

So just to express that point, and being able to, I don't think that that should be a big deal at all.

Data is very, we could portray it however we want.

And being able to, we have notes fields and be able to communicate uses and where they are allowed.

Yeah, sounds good.

I mean, I get that.

Yeah, those are the two spots that would be similar for uses.

But, you know, I do believe that Ragon Mountain is data that the city would be, that would be city data.

And we provided the Ivy Creek data.

Yeah, I've got Ragged Mountain and Hayward, but I think it's already in there.

We can double check.

Great.

So it sounds like Dan or the GIS folks at the county are going to get in touch with Bob hopefully before he leaves.

Amanda, do you know what the next steps are for that position?

Is there someone coming in to take Bob's place or

Yeah, I don't have any idea.

Okay.

I'd have to talk to our GIS group if they would have any capacity to.

And the Piedmont Environmental Council has got a GIS division.

I don't know if it's worth approaching them.

I don't know if Peter's on this call or not, but they do have a GIS division.

Yeah.

I don't think we actually have the bandwidth.

Michael, we had also had a conversation yesterday.

Yeah.

Again, Michael Barnes with VDOT, a local coordinator.

I guess the conversation that you and I had yesterday, Amanda, was sort of related back to sort of doing some prioritization and using the map as prioritization tool since

In theory, we could have all of the facilities on a single map.

We could probably start looking at the proposed and existing and try and match those up with the various funding programs that VDOT helps to build these facilities with.

That being said, yeah, the one map stuff as far as what VDOT can provide as a service is somewhat limited.

I'm happy to put some of my time into it.

Amanda was kind enough to send me the city's one map data last night and I pulled it up this morning and had a few minutes to look at it.

It does look like there's just a couple observations looking at it really quickly.

Like for example, we were just talking about the trails around Hayward.

They look like they're really rough and there's not

I don't think all of them there so there is like need to add a few things which I'd be happy to do as far as I think it's the other thing I'd say is looking at the the quality of the data just the trail types it looks like there's a lot of varying names like shared use path is shown on all caps is one then shown as shared use paths not all caps there's a lot of data cleanup that looks like needs to happen in the one map stuff at least coming from the city

I think I could potentially take the county's data and the city's data and sort of merge them together for this group so we can sort of look at them.

I definitely am not in a position to put something together that would be, I think one of Ural's original concepts was to have this something that would be on a website that the general public could look at.

But I don't think I could do that, but as far as like

trying to show how it might be a planning tool for this group.

I'd be happy to do some preliminary stuff to sort of do a proof of concept with some of the GIS.

I'm not a GIS expert, but I've played around enough to know, I think we can use as a planning tool.

And again, when I come back to talking about as a planning tool, I think of it as we've got all of these facilities in the GIS,

And because they're there, we can probably start to add new fields that would be criteria for which we might pick a project and those things could be based on certain factors, whether they are socio economic

Maybe it's in an area of high concentrations of either low income folks or it's in an area that is targeted for economic development and that we could create a weighting tool that if the trails in that area would get

say 10 points whereas if it's not in that area maybe we get zero points.

We could do stuff like is it of the planned trails in areas where we already own the right-of-way like parks or something else and might be a means of trying to winnow out and try to get the you know if there's I don't know how many

I think the trails are in the data set right now, but if there's a 100 or 200 proposed trails, maybe we can pick out the top 20 or so that meet a defined set of criteria that the group might agree upon.

And that those could then serve as a priority basis for upcoming grants that VDOT would be working on.

But I'd be willing to do that type of general sort of proof of concept.

and help bring some more value to the One Map exercise.

But again, as far as creating something that is going to be ready to be put out on a website, I think that's probably going to be beyond what VDOT's going to be able to provide.

Yeah, so I do think the prioritization is like the second step conversation that we might not quite be at.

I just wanted to clarify on the basics of what you're offering.

Are you offering that as like an individual or as a VDOT staff member?

I think that VDOT would be interested in seeing how we could help this become a prioritization tool.

Because I think one of the things talking with folks on my side is, I think there's a potential that we could sort of help create better applications in the future.

And by better applications, I mean, finding projects that are, once the city and the county have prioritized what are the projects they want to work on in the next several years, we might be able to help step in and

Help develop better concept plans, better estimates that would lead to better applications and hopefully help create projects that are adequately funded.

and that are ripe, whatever that might mean.

I mean, obtaining right away is always a difficult aspect of these programs.

So maybe that's one major factor of what ripeness is or areas that are a high priority for various other criteria.

I mean, I'm talking in generalities right now because I don't want to prejudge what this criteria could be.

But I think that's what we could do.

I think it's what VDOT would

would be prepared to do, but it seems like you all have a major barrier to even doing that.

And the first thing is trying to integrate the two platforms.

Hopefully, I think what Dan was trying to say is the county already has their fields and the data in the table as they think it's needed.

And if that's the case, and if Dan can provide it to me, I can try and help do a little bit of QAQC on some of the information.

and sort of help us get to a step where one of Ural's technical GIS people, maybe the replacement of Bob or somebody else could then take that data and sort of start working on a front end forward facing towards the public to present this information.

I think that just again, looking at it quickly, I think there's some data cleanup that needs to be done.

And that could be helpful.

But again, I'm trying to really create something separate for you guys, which is different from what you're talking about.

I think the, you know, we always knew that data cleanup was kind of a next step.

Like once we had it all in one place, we could look at it.

You know, we hadn't gotten that far yet.

So, you know, I appreciate that comment because that is definitely something that needs to happen before

Just piggybacking.

Can you all hear me OK now?

Yes, we can.

Piggybacking on what Michael said, where using this as a prioritization tool and where the rubber meets the road is the V-Trans needs.

So I'm not 100% sure on what one map entails.

Is it all the plans in addition to all the facilities?

I look at the data, that's what's in there, John.

It definitely is existing facilities down to like, you know, UVA's sidewalk system.

Just to be clear, it's also planned facilities.

It is proposed routes.

And we narrowed it down to infrastructure by categories of sidewalk, shared use path, trails, bikes, infrastructure.

So what's been happening with V-Trans is every round, they're kind of like ratcheting eligibility

and getting more and more refined.

And what I've been trying to tell MPOs and PDCs and stuff is you guys really need to like get all your plant facilities on a map.

And then there's that V-trans layer of the needs and match them up and see what projects are going to be eligible for the VDOT grant projects and what projects might not be.

And if you have your own prioritization for bike ped projects,

How does that compare to what's eligible?

Is there your top project that's not even eligible and is there a good reason that that's the case?

Because a lot of this featuring stuff is being made on incomplete statewide data sets.

Thanks for that information, John.

Staff, anyone who's been here longer than me, can you talk a little bit more about our Jefferson area bike ped plan and how prioritization for that project aligns with what you guys were picturing for, or aligns with like V-trans, or how did you guys come up with the prioritization for that plan?

So I didn't write the prioritization part of the plan, but my memory is that there were a series of filters and tools such as socioeconomic factors, but also

Trips that could be substituted to bike rides rather than ours, like trips that are less than half a mile or whatever it was.

So then there was a prioritization rubric based on that.

And then city and county and university staff, this group, looked through those and had a sort of

ripeness slash alignment with what's already going on because there is no tool that could just automatically pop up like, hey, this is like part B of an ABC plan that the city's had in mind forever.

So like, I don't know.

So for example, the Monticello connector is one that had those

those like source destination stuff, but also factored in that the city was building bike lanes on Monticello Avenue and also had plans to push on the other side of that project.

So it made sense.

There's no like algorithm that would highlight that or an awareness that a piece of land is about to become available

Thank you for that, Peter.

And I'm going to kind of catch myself now, because I think we've started to have a prioritization conversation.

which I think is valuable to have.

So I've made a note to add it to our February agenda.

With a little bit of time left to talk about this one map update agenda item, I want us to come back to this technical expertise question.

So it sounds like, Citi, we don't know when someone is going to step into Bob's role.

There might not be someone in the near future to take on this.

GAS expert role for this project.

Maybe there's someone at the county, maybe there's someone at UVA, maybe there's someone at PEC, but there's questions about the

The political nature of a nonprofit holding on to locality data.

One other idea I want to throw out there, as you guys might know, I used to work at a university, so I'm a big fan of reaching out to professors and seeing if they want to work out an MOU to hold onto that data and do the work for us as part of their classwork.

Is that something that's of interest for either the PDC to pursue or the city?

Any thoughts from anyone about any of those options that we've just talked about?

That's a good, I think it's good discussion.

I'll basically

I would kind of back something that Daniel said earlier is I think once this data is in and loaded, I don't see it changing, you know, at all rapidly.

So it's almost an annual,

Quality Control Check that things are still what they are because I remember like with the TJPDC plan and the city plan, those plans haven't drastically added a whole bunch of new routes because the city and county like don't have a whole bunch of new roads and areas that weren't here 10, 15 years ago.

So my guess would be when whatever agency picks it up and like Michael Barnes offered to do, like getting it to a point of calling it good is probably a huge first step.

And then we might not mess with it again for a little while because these things don't change.

Yeah, it's a good, I think that's true.

And then having a place to host it and provide it as an open data source, then I think that might be after that point where, you know, getting like a professor or a class involved in it to kind of more consume the data rather than be responsible for like updating it and maintaining it.

Cause they can bring that kind of,

Yeah, he'd probably be really into that.

It's a question of hosting as well, you know, whether the library might, yeah, I mean, that's a good point.

I didn't even think about Scholar's Lab as another potential, you know, place to host the data.

So just for everyone to keep in mind, the PTC is still interested and able to host the finished product on our website once it's done.

We just, like I said, do not have the GIS expertise to do these last few steps.

So I think at this point, unless anyone has any final comments, what I'm going to do is encourage you all to talk to your GIS experts at your location and see what kind of time people have available in the next few months.

We'll revisit this conversation in February, and we'll try to take the next steps from there.

Amanda, does that sound OK with you?

Yeah, I think so.

You know, to be honest, I feel like it would be better, you know, not to put you on the spot here, but like, if you're able to kind of take over just the different pieces of this, because I feel like that was kind of thrown in my lap just because Bob was the one that said, I'll write the app.

But it's not necessarily something that I've been doing a good job of keeping on top of.

And with him going, I don't know that

I think that's a great point, Amanda.

And so I'm just going to give you a little bit of homework.

If you can send stuff my way, send files my way in whatever way these files are shared, I can hold onto that.

And then you don't need to feel like you're stuck holding onto everything as Bob leaves.

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks.

All right.

Jessica, before we move on, somewhat related, VDOT is developing a statewide bicycle facility inventory

And is there any way we could get the one map data?

Because at the end of the day, we want our map to jive with any locality map.

And just looking at what we have and being a local resident, I know that we do not have all the facilities in the Charlottesville, Albemarle area.

And we've also asked for help to see in this, but I don't think we are exactly

I know we don't have everything that is on the ground.

I was just wondering, is there any way to get the data so we could compare our data and update our map just so there's no discrepancy between when this thing ultimately goes live, what you guys have and what we have.

Again, we're just looking for existing facilities.

Yes, so Shane I think I can once I get the info from Amanda which is going to be the city and UVA data and maybe county data.

Dan, you might have to follow up with me as well and give me your data.

I will send that along to you.

And like you're hearing, it sounds like it might not be perfectly cleaned up, but it should be a good starting point for you.

And then you can follow up with me if there's anything else you'll need after that.

We basically just digitize from whatever you guys, we've re digitized whatever you guys have.

Again, we're not necessarily looking to merge anything.

We're just looking to QC what we have and add any missing facilities that I would assume you guys would be a little more detailed or I would think

Great yeah so you can look for something from me soon.

All right moving on from this item let's talk about TAP grants that are coming up.

Yeah, it's fine.

I think I can be quick about this.

I just want to bring everyone's attention that VDOT will be doing another round of TAP grants this year with the pre-apps opening on May 17th and the deadline for your pre-applications being July 1st with the deadline for the application itself being October 1st.

So it's not too early to start planning for potential projects that you all are interested in.

I know in sort of a little preparation for this meeting, I talked with the county folks.

It sounds like there is a list of prioritized projects that they have out there.

I didn't get a chance to talk with you, Chris, but briefly talked with Amanda yesterday.

It sounds like the city

may need to do a little prioritization before you all are ready to pick a project or maybe two that you want to have put into the hopper to consider for this year's application.

I know that both Tom and I are interested in helping

make sure that these applications are as good as possible.

So perhaps we should be either through this group or through the localities individually trying to target a couple projects for submission this year.

Again, for those who aren't familiar, the TAP program is a federally funded program that puts roughly $350,000 to $400,000 a year

into a project, but since it's a two-year funding cycle, you can pretty much double those fundings.

That's not a given, but it's a good planning figures to aim for when picking a project and thinking about the application.

Michael, you and I'll have a conversation, because we've obviously got some triangulation going on, but

We may find that we would apply to supplement one of these ones that needs a little bit to get over the hump.

Is that an option or do they all have to be new projects?

I mean, we'll have a, let's have a conversation later.

Obviously we've got some details to work out.

Let's say, the Creek bridge, for example, if we decided that needed to get a shot in the arm, that could be one of our tactics is to give that a shot in the arm and perhaps then pursue another project as well, as well it's new.

Exactly.

I mean, that is always something that we need to be considering.

Part of what it was is I thought I'd bring this, put this on the agenda.

I wasn't as familiar with what the county has planned.

And Kevin provided me a documentation that the county has a significant amount of planning already gone for the projects they want to do.

Sounds good.

Thank you, man.

All right, yeah, if people have any additional questions, feel free to follow up with Michael.

All right, moving on to PDC and MPO updates.

Administrative changes, so I'm assuming you've all heard that Chip has taken a position as the City Manager for City of Charlottesville.

We're very excited for Chip and we're very sad to lose him.

He will be continuing in his current role at the PDC until February 12th.

So we still have them for a little bit.

And after that, Christine Jacobs, who's our current COO, will be stepping up as interim director.

I don't think that we're in a super big rush as the PDC to find a replacement for Chip.

So we'll be taking that slowly.

Does anyone have any questions?

I don't know that I have too much more information.

OK. All right, SMART SCALE updates.

I'm going to stop sharing this right here.

And I'm going to now show a list of projects.

Unfortunately, Chuck wasn't able to join us to talk in more detail about these.

But just a congratulations to everybody, city and county.

There's a lot of SMART SCALE funding that we will get to be working with.

Does anyone want to?

discuss anything about SMART SCALE.

I will point out that the Fifth Street Hub and Trails project is a go.

We'll be moving forward with that.

I have a question.

Sorry, I'll let the staff go, then I have a question.

Quick update on Fifth Street, and this is not yet completely a done deal, but the entire land swap

of that piece of property that was going to be the bike hub.

That may finally be going forward.

It's been separated from the notion of a land swap.

And at that point, I spoke with the property owners the other day.

They were like, if it's not tied to this other project, you know, strong chance they're just going to sign it over to us.

Because at that point, its value to them in a poker game is different.

So we may finally acquire that big square block of land that may or may not

The easement over that parcel sewer line is getting signed.

Well, everything's going crazy right now.

But the owner tells me more than likely the entire parcel would then also come to the city, whether via donation or a small fee purchase.

And we'll hopefully stitch that up in the next couple months.

I just had one thought.

I don't know if staff is prepared to do this, but it might be helpful to go down this list real quick and just kind of point out like the pedestrian and bike components of any of these kind of, you know, not all of them have like a big pedestrian bike component, but a lot of them do.

No, that's a great point, Bill.

And I forgot for a second that we have some interested members of the public here too, so I think that would help them.

I am not super familiar with all of the MPO and PDC projects.

Like, I don't know the bike pad details on hydraulic, but I can come back with that information at a later date.

Sure.

Bill, that was a good point to point out, yeah.

Basically, I know even if we have intersection improvements, we have requested some form of

bike pad infrastructure improvements on that.

Specifically for hydraulic and 29, we have the roundabouts and I know that we should be having the sidewalks and bike lanes added in those.

For 250, though, I do know that it's median and

improvement that way.

And I know there's no bike lanes on 250 there.

We did not find that that would fit, but I would need to double check about any sidewalks being implemented in that project.

I don't have to look in the application.

I don't remember offhand right now, but for Old Lynchburg and Fifth Street, there definitely be a shared use path connection on that with pedestrian crossing.

Same thing with Rile Road and John Warner Parkway roundabout.

Old Lynchburg 5th Street is a roundabout as well.

For 20-53, right by Monticello there, same improvements as well.

And I don't remember offhand if it was on what side the shared use path connection was for 20 and 53, what side of route 20.

For our park and ride a lot, I know that we requested to have

I don't know if it went through with a charging station separate from the bike and ped, but I think we do have bicycle infrastructure for parking bike racks.

And for the shared use path on 29 is obviously a nice connection for the North Town Trail there.

Fifth Street and let's see here.

There will be a shared use path for the Fontaine Avenue, this place left turn.

That will be, yeah, there'll be a shared use path connection as well on that one.

Thanks, Dan.

Sure.

So we've got Ridge Street safety improvements.

That is the area between Cherry Avenue and I believe Monticello Avenue might be the end point there.

And it's got some bike and pedestrian improvements along that stretch primarily.

And I think also removing some parking to

create some additional flow through the intersection.

I believe that that is what that all included.

West Main streetscape phase three is just the continuation of the West Main project between 8th Street and Roosevelt Brown.

So that includes streetscape improvements, bicycle pedestrian improvements, street trees, things of that nature's ADA compliance.

Preston and Grady is still, I think we've got some public outreach that needs to be done in order to really determine what that project entails.

But as presented in the application, it included some reconfiguration of that intersection to allow traffic

to create more of a T situation.

So traffic would be able to flow from Preston Avenue up to Barracks Road a little bit more in a straight path rather than this kind of funky configuration that we have with two intersections or three intersections.

I don't know how many intersections are there currently, but again, we heard a lot from the public about the

Hope of that project.

So we will be doing some sort of outreach before that funding is available to really finalize what that scope looks like.

And I was trying to find more information.

It's there.

Further down, yeah.

OK.

So that is a continuation of the shared use path and protected bike lanes on Emmett Street between Arlington and Barracks.

And so that connects the project that's currently funded between Ivy and Arlington, and then the project at the Preston, the Barracks Road and Route 29 intersection that will create a shared use path

along the frontage of 29 up to Barracks Road or along Barracks Road to Buckinghams.

We'll have a bit more of a continuous bike connection along 29.

Whoa, 20 million for that?

Sorry, that was not the amount that we put in for that project.

The projects have like, you know, the first year you get money is six years from now and then it's a six year cycle.

So each of those years for like the next 12 years has some level of inflation and all types of cost overrun stuff in it.

I think there was also a fair amount of discussion about some of the costs that that project would have

at the district level.

Real quick, because I had to step away, are these approved?

It's not.

It's not a go list yet.

It still has to go to the CTB and still got a little bit.

This is the staff recommendations and what the analysis came back after they did the scoring.

Cool.

You know, one other thing they're discussing too is there was in this COVID relief bill that was passed in December, there was some money for state DOTs in there and VDOT hasn't gotten the word from Federal Highway on how much that's going to be and what's eligible for it.

But, you know, depending on revenue projections, as you know, before the final CTP vote, it's possible that that could be more money.

I believe so.

Hey, Jessica.

Sorry, it took me a second to unmute.

So my question was partially answered.

So what does the CTB do next?

Do they look at the list and either accept the full list or subtract the list?

Is that what their next step is?

This is not like semifinalists, in other words.

This is a pot of projects that can be added or removed.

I see John has unmuted himself.

That's pretty much right.

I mean, you know, I've seen mostly projects get added, but if that was like a really high priority project that

You know, everybody wanted, and then for some reason, something they didn't want got funded.

Just for everyone's information, moving forward, February and April, the CTB board is going to develop a potential revisions to the staff recommendations.

and then in April and May public hearings and the staff recommended scenario will happen.

Thanks for that clarification, Michael.

I just noticed in the chat, Chris asked a question about old Ivy Bridge.

Yeah, there was a question about

An update on the Old Ivy Bridge.

There was, long story short, this was a bridge replacement.

And because of the funding, state good repair funding that VDOT was using for this, they could not necessarily just enhance bicycle pedestrian infrastructure since there's no infrastructure on either side of the bridge.

But in discussion, the county endorsed VDOT's recommendation by

Reviewing public comment and providing accommodation of a four foot shoulder on one side.

This was supported by resolution of the county board.

Yeah, I mean, it seems like one of those it's better than it is now.

That's awesome.

It's kind of a

Once in 70 year chance to get a bridge as good as we can.

So I guess, you know, the long shot would be we put in a tap or a SMART SCALE to add to the state of good repair to make a really, really good bike ped crossing on it.

But my guess is this bridge project, you know, they're not gonna stall and wait for more and more and more so that the forefoot shoulders

Again, much better than it is now.

So I applaud them for taking that shot and getting some bike bed accommodation on it.

I mentioned a few years ago, a good exercise would be to go through all the state of good repair projects and see anything with a general condition rating of

Is it five or less?

And that might give you a good idea of what's scheduled to come up on SGR too.

Yeah, that might be a good conversation almost at the state level because, you know, a bridge replacement, you know, when you look at a Three Notch'd Trail project, that 250-29 Ivy Road knot is the hardest piece for the Three Notch'd Trail.

It's so technically challenging to replace a bridge there.

And I realize that's the current way the game's played, but John, it might be worth looking at going forward if there's an SGR that also happens to be on a major statewide trail or a bike ped, blah, blah, blah.

Can the SGR program be reviewed where, you know, again, a hypothetical locality could put TAP money into adding to an SGR.

So the SGR is not, like when the trucks hit the Park Street Bridge and Locust Street Bridge, they couldn't make them any wider because it was an insurance claim.

You are allowed to add TAP and we're trying to get a document out and who knows how long it's going to take, but that kind of explains it and provides some good examples on all that.

But STR is a CTB policy and it's also in the state code.

Any change would have to come at a high level.

Yeah.

Okay.

John, I'm glad you mentioned that.

I do think it'd be good to gain some traction on that with the VDOT crew in this meeting.

We've had

That would be a very useful analysis.

Peter made a comment by just about how the one map and comparing

that data with, you know, you mentioned VTRANS earlier and then comparing it to state one map data with the state of good repair and data.

And I also think Shane mentioned this too about regular paving programs, being able to see where, what roads are going to be getting paved.

I know from the county's

We've had these conversations but we're not really gaining much traction and I think that that would be helpful to start seeing how we can, we did this on Whitewood I believe, got the bike lane

Is it Whitewood?

Yes.

And that was a regular paving and we had that as a bike route called out and we were able to get bike lanes in there.

And so I do think that that's a conversation we need to kind of continue to have and that would be helpful.

Side note is we had some concerns about why a bike lane was being dissolved on Whitewood going to the hydraulic intersection.

And I will say the residency, we had a conversation with them.

They are evaluating that.

I mean, I would encourage you if you have a list of roads that could be restriped to send the list to the district.

You know, send it to the district traffic engineer and say, you know, also, you know, all VDOT's pavement data is on Virginia roads too.

So we're getting into all types of GIS efforts here, but you can look at them and say, you know, we've got these 10 candidates we want and you know, you can, you can yourself rank them by pavement quality.

And just say, you know, when this comes up, we'd really like to see, you know, whatever improvement it is.

Okay, thanks.

I did, I think, I'll have to re-look back on Virginia Roads.

Yeah, part of the problem is like you could, if something was paved this year, it'll say like it's really bad condition, but it could have already just gotten paved and it's not updated yet, so.

If you start that conversation with the district, the district maintenance engineer and the district traffic engineer have all that data and should be able to review your list and see.

Okay, thank you.

All right, any other comments, questions, discussion around SMART SCALE?

Okay, I'm gonna stop sharing this list.

All right, the next thing on our agenda, oh, it was going to be,

The Bike and Head Count Next Step.

So we've already looked at the results of that data.

It is on our website for people to look at, use as they see fit.

I want us to start thinking about the spring count already.

So the plan is to go back to those same 10 locations that we counted in the fall.

I think we did a really good job working together to come up with the right locations.

So let's stick with them and then we'll have that data over time already getting started.

Let's see, I wanted to call out, especially since we have Shane on the call, before we started the fall count, Shane reached out and talked about wanting to ensure that the automatic counters that VDOT has would get put out at some of the same locations where we're doing

volunteer counts and then there would be the opportunity to compare that data.

I just didn't get things together quickly enough for Shane to be able to put out those automatic counters at these locations.

So I wanted to bring up that discussion again just for a few minutes.

That is certainly potential with enough advance notice.

However, there has to be certain conditions.

There has to be something to attach the counters to and different things.

I think I owe her a cable at this point.

So really quickly, locality staff, do you guys have any of those 10 locations,

If you need me to, I can bring up the list of the locations, but do you have any locations in mind as being a high priority to put those automatic counters out at?

We will still have the volunteer counters out there at the exact same time.

You will get the exact same data, but you'll just have the automatic counter data as well.

Yeah, the nearest location I can think of was our count location at Emmett and Angus.

So a little bit south of Hydraulic.

I'm not as up to speed on what exactly is going on when with Hydraulic and the Zand Road thing.

That was just to put out there maybe to the larger group to get a pre-count.

Is there collection data on Hillsdale?

Because this would be part of the Hillsdale suite, really.

But the thing that sort of highlights the problem with doing a data-driven approach is the, shall we say, gravitational urge to travel up and down Hillsdale.

is not the same as the gravitational urge to get from Hillsdale to Stonefield.

And so it's very limited and it's almost like a, you know, how many people are swimming when there's no bridge, you know, so.

We have,

We have bike counters on Hillsdale currently kind of over near the Marshalls, where Marshalls is, and it is now it's only a bike counter, but the numbers are very, very low.

Great.

Okay.

So unless there's additional comments, I would think that my next steps are, so I'm going to wait for emails to come from you guys.

Real quick thought, Fontaine and headed out to Ragged.

Have we already counted that area?

Is it already on the list?

Fontaine's getting some work done soon.

Amanda might know more, but between Dirty Nellie's and 250 Bypass area, is that an area we've ever counted?

Should we count?

Could be for next round.

I mean, I'm sure we have counts from when the, you know, when we started the design process for the project.

And I'm guessing with, you know, the number of bikes that aren't at Ragon Mountain, but they are, and with the Hayward property being what it is, I'm seeing a lot more bikes riding down Fontaine, you know, headed out of the urban area.

So right there at the 250 interchange,

Cool.

Great.

Any other comments?

All right, so I'll take those next steps, and we'll only talk about the BikePad account again at this meeting as we get closer.

I'm just seeing a chat come in, so I'm going to peek at that.

All right.

These other two items under our updates is really just to let you guys know about some other projects that the PDC and MPO are working on.

I don't have any slides to show you.

I'm just going to talk about them really briefly.

There is going to be a transportation corridor study of the northern end of Route 29, so a little bit in Albemarle County and a little bit in Greene County.

This is using both MPO and rural money.

So we've already had an initial meeting with Albemarle and Greene Counties to think about the project boundaries for that project and a little bit more about what exactly we're trying to get out of the corridor study.

But I wanted to make you guys all aware of it and just keep it in mind because I think that biking and walking and

transit stuff is going to be it's going to come up as part of this transportation corridor study and I just want it to be on your radar so that you know as we're we're working on it you can offer your input about biking and walking in this corridor so that's just more for your information also I actually do have slides for this one so hold on

Okay, so the PDC also received two transit grants from their planning grants from DRPT.

One of them is the Regional Transit Vision Plan.

So those of you who are MPO Tech, you've already heard this, I'll be brief.

The whole point of this study is to come up with a clear vision for the future of transit in our region.

We have quite a bit of money to create this vision with.

It's $350,000 in total, half of it coming from DRPT.

A quarter of it coming from Albemarle County and a quarter of it coming from the City of Charlottesville.

This is going to be an 18 month process.

The reason I bring it to you guys is because pedestrian access to transit stops, the way that bike lanes interact with transit stops, all of that should and should be part of this vision plan.

So I want to put it on your radar and ensure that you guys feel that biking and walking is represented appropriately in the transit vision plan as we move forward.

And then the other grant we got for transit is this Admiral County Transit expansion and feasibility study and implementation plan.

So this is a feasibility study and implementation plan for expanded transit service to three particular places in Admiral County, the Pantops area, Monticello, and along Route 29 North.

It's a really nonspecific area, but up there on 29.

Point is to look at not just fixed route options, but also some innovative transit options that might include on demand service.

This is going to be about 12 months.

And again, I bring it to your attention because biking and walking should be considered as part of this feasibility study and implementation plan.

Yeah, so I think the easiest way for you to get updates initially is going to be coming to our Regional Transit Partnership meetings.

The Regional Transit Partnership will serve as the official advisory group for the Vision Plan project.

That plan, as we're writing the scope of work right now, is also to have an interactive website that people will be able to continuously offer

You know, public feedback on the project.

So there's going to be a huge public engagement component of that project.

So I'm sure that you will hear about it, not just as staff, but again, as members of the public.

The Admiral County project is going to be a little bit different.

We haven't decided exactly how that advisory group is going to be formed or how they're going to be meeting

But similarly, that's going to include some public engagements, hopefully a website, but we have to see how the money all shakes out as we go through the RFP process.

So short answer is yes, we'll keep you updated.

It'll be on our website.

Any other questions?

Okay.

All right, going back to our agenda.

Okay, so now we're going to talk about the work plan for the upcoming fiscal year.

So Sandy and Lucinda and I have been working together on what our plans are for the MPO work plan for next year for members of the public that starts in July.

Sandy has done the hard work of budgeting out all of the MPO money that we expect to have and has put all the things that we absolutely must do as an MPO already into the work plan and accounted for how much money that's going to take

But even after we do all those things that we have to do, we still had money left over.

One of the things that we are strongly considering doing as an MPO, especially in light of Chip leaving and us looking for new leadership as a PDC and MPO, we are thinking of doing a strategic plan for our organization.

And the purpose of that would be to really get a better sense of who are we serving and what is our main goal as an organization.

So that's something that we're considering spending some of that extra money on.

But even with that, there is even a little bit more money left over to do other projects.

So that's why I'm coming to you guys to hear what would be useful in the bike-ped world that the MPO could do or could help facilitate for the localities.

Is this for just one year or you guys do a longer term?

This is just for the one year.

I want to clarify for the Rivanna Bridge, we're not currently doing anything.

If there's something that you want MPO to do regarding- That could be one I would, you know, if there's a phase two of the bridge, I don't know, we wouldn't talk about that, but that would be one project I would put to the city and county to discuss, is there something that PDC could do in their work plan this year or not?

That would be one.

Yeah, I agree with Chris, that definitely

I would agree with that.

Is there a way to regroup and whether that depends on Chuck's SPR money or not, I don't know.

That maybe it does, maybe it doesn't for either one of those.

How Chuck hired those consultants to actually do the work and the PDC wasn't, you know, they were the broker in a sense.

That would affect your work program if it's not a Chuck consultant doing it.

Okay, great.

Any other broad products?

I see Michael has his hand up.

I think we should look at an area

like a parallel bike ped network that's not on the main roads.

Some like parallel grid network that we started putting in like Hillsdale.

But I think there should be a bike ped parallel network that's not connected with the major roads.

That should be looked in region wide.

Yeah, that's a great idea.

Any other thoughts?

I don't know if this is something that everybody would be interested in, but I'm just gonna throw it out there as an idea.

It's some sort of a household travel survey that kind of tries to get at what are the travel patterns?

How are people getting to and from their different places?

Where are the opportunities to just modes and things like that?

And that might be phone, some sort of

Yeah, Jake Cabraly tipped his toe in there with the bike ped plan.

Something else that comes to mind is just the prioritization of projects we're going to look into.

I mean, there was a lot of

discussion and just concern on how, from the bike ped plan, how the Route 20 and the Rivanna River Crossing, how those projects were pushed to the top.

Just being involved, I know that it was for looking for city, for city county and collaboration on these projects that were called out on the approved bike ped plan.

So maybe polish up, make that more public involvement

Um...

Yeah, basically that whole process.

And, you know, I think we're just talking about last round of SMART SCALE, but I think with the PDCs new steps that they're taking with the whole SMART SCALE process, that's gonna be right around the corner.

I'd like to second what Dan just said.

So the Jefferson area plan revealed, you know, there's all kinds of barriers to getting bike-ped, like generating will, having money, acquiring land, all that stuff are common problems that are faced everywhere.

In our locality, we also have the related issues of

Process where we have a city council and a board of supervisors that are both democratic processes that sit side by side, not necessarily overlapping as much as we'd like.

So some kind of work in that, and then it also manifests itself with the data as well, which is why the one map is important.

So as you're thinking about this and you're thinking about a strategic plan, some kind of data housing,

capacity, I think would be good.

It would be great if it could live at scholar's lab, but at best, that'll work in practice.

It won't work in theory.

These are great ideas, and I want to thank you guys so much for coming up with them.

So it looks like I have, well actually I want to follow up a little bit more on the Rivanna Bridge.

Yeah, I guess being able to, I could go look at my email, but I think just see how we're going to work from the public comment that we got from the November public forum.

And just, you know, from the county, we need to know how, what are we going to do with that?

Like take that to the board.

What are our next steps after this public?

So obviously it wasn't a SMART SCALE application this last year.

So we need to kind of see how we're going to proceed.

So I guess it would be kind of evaluating the public comments, bring that information to the board, let them know how the public feels about that study and see how to proceed.

That's what I would I would second that somehow taking the project to the Planning Commission and Council or something to say we did this exercise we have this data we have this information in public comment where does it fit on your priority list you know does the Planning Commission or Council say yeah go for the next big smart scale or you know wait a couple years because COVID hit like we're not doing that right now

I think to keep the momentum going that that bridge project went over so well at that joint meeting of the boards a couple years ago.

They were all lit up when we talked about this bridge.

How do we bring back to them so they can advise staff?

What are our next steps between the city of the county and the PDC to move it forward or put it in the freezer or, you know, whatever it might be.

So creating a presentation and taking it to each board.

Dan, I don't know if you would say your planning commission and your board

or at least the one presentation that you can hand off, give to the planning commissions and then we take it to our board and council, I don't know.

But presenting the data and asking the question to the higher ups, what's our next step?

Awesome.

So I just want to, I'm looking at you, Dan and Chris, because you guys were my points of contact for this project.

Is there any, do you really need the PDC to help you take it to the board and the planning commission or city council?

Like, or is that something like we put together the summary document for you.

We have all of the list of public comments.

I would book enough time that you can

Get paid to come to those meetings.

To your point, you know, I imagine we can bring it or I could bring it.

Amanda is still here on the phone.

We could probably find a way to bring it to our planning commission.

We'd probably want a PDC rep in the room because you guys kind of led the project in that sense.

So to your point, Jessica, maybe you don't have to develop much more material, but at least you probably want to book enough hours to attend the meeting so it doesn't show up as an extra on your, I know you guys have to book your hours by the quarter hour.

I used to do that too.

Right.

Yeah, I don't, I think this is something that we could take to our board or city takes to their council if they want, but

Basically, I want to confirm that from the public comments that we answered every question, provided responses, and this might be in an email that I'll have to go back and double check.

Okay, great.

So I do think that you have all the information at this point.

I will also let you know that we are, I will be giving a small update to the Policy Board at their January meeting.

So the MPO Policy Board, so at least some elected officials are going to hear about it again there.

So I think you're well placed.

I think that if you want to consider moving forward with this as a potential SMART SCALE project, I don't think that we can wait until next fiscal year to take it to the boards and the commissions.

There's probably enough to, Sandy would be mad, but I feel like there's enough time that I could make an appearance at board and commission meetings and council meetings just to get it out there.

Because even with Chip leaving, we're still sticking with this new SMART SCALE policy.

Okay, so that does, yeah, so we do need to kind of get this going to our board at least.

Yeah, and I can always just give you guys the slides that I

used for the webinar as well.

So why don't, again, I'm gonna give you guys homework, reach out to me, set up a meeting and we can make a plan to move forward and get this out there so that if it's gonna be included in SMART SCALE, we're gonna be on the right timeline.

As for work for the next MPO work plan, I have from you guys just now, the Route 20 connection, potentially a steering committee to look into that further.

A parallel bike network, like a low stress bike network, I think is what Michael was referring to.

A potential household travel survey, which Amanda, I will also add that that's something that Lucinda and Sandy and I thought about as well, just because of how

Travel behavior is changing with the pandemic.

It will be useful to think about travel that's not just commute travel.

Let's see here.

And you also noted an analysis of travel behavior by streetlight.

Let's see, and polish up prioritization of projects in the Jefferson Area Bike Ped Plan and polish it up with some public involvement.

This would be related to SMART SCALE so that we can, you know, more quickly and more clearly make decisions about which projects we would be applying for funding for in the future.

Anything else anyone has to add?

Nope.

Great, well, thank you for all of those comments.

I'm just quick looking at my agenda and all we have left are round table updates.

I know we've talked quite a bit about SMART SCALE stuff, but if anyone has any additional updates, let's just go sort of around the room.

I don't have too many like updates on projects or anything like that.

We do have our students coming back.

February 1st, I believe.

Again, we're going to pretty much look like the fall with most classes being online, but there will be a few more students in town, though they might be sitting in their apartments or dorms taking classes.

Does, I mean,

Thanks, Bill.

Sounds like Amanda, you should go next.

Yeah, I can follow up on that.

You know, at this point, we are expecting VEO to resubmit their application.

So we have an annual permit process.

And so they're going to be submitting an application to continue to provide bikes and scooters in the city.

We don't anticipate any major changes.

But the ridership really has been pretty low.

Well, it's really hard to know how much of it is COVID related, how much of it is pricing related, how much of it is their staffing because they were sort of without some local ops staff for a bit this fall.

So the ridership was very, very low September to December.

But I think

They're starting to get things back on track and we'll see what happens come student return.

No, I can't think of anything.

Yeah, not at this point.

They did talk a little bit about, and this was something that we had considered before we all went into lockdown in March.

They have a seated scooter that they potentially might like to roll out at some point this year.

That would be a big change, you know, just in terms of additional types of vehicle types on the road.

But that's really the only

potential thing that I could see being different.

Another thing that we're working on, I guess we're on Thanksgiving.

Well, we had been looking at completing the on-road bike network between 10th Street and Buckingham Road on Preston and Barracks Road.

and had posted we realized that in order for us to be able to make that final connection we would probably need using the current roadway width we'd need to remove some parking so we posted a notice in the affected sections got some

A lot of pushback from those that were affected.

So we're going to be doing some additional parking demand studies in the coming months.

And we'll likely have some sort of a public meeting for people to discuss the results of that and the proposal.

Great, thanks Amanda.

Other than still working to get Rugby Avenue Trail out to bid that comes into McIntire Park there, the Washington Park Bicycle Connector from Madison to Madison I think will be under construction, hopefully built before the next school year starts, both for local students and I think there's some UVA students in that area.

I'm mostly trying to wrap up

The existing large projects to get ready for the next round and have had on the Viking single track AT style trails, a number of property acquisitions we've been waiting for for quite a while are finally clicking into place.

So that's more for Rivanna trail level kind of stuff, not the urban system as much, but it's nice that my 14 year old dry erase board just finally got a few things erased from it.

I can move on to the next step.

Thanks, Chris.

Sure.

So SMART SCALE was definitely a good update for us.

I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but you know, the decision with the previous submitted round for TA revenue sharing projects were basically kind of reevaluating what we submitted for Tabor and High Street and Crozet, sidewalk improvements on how to proceed with that.

We have a Berkmar Drive Extension Airport Road that's going to have a shared use path on it, bike lanes.

Looks like the county is still going to follow through with that.

and Old Lynchburg Road, Morris Creek.

That was decided.

It was kind of broken down into the Greenway and then the sidewalk improvements on Old Lynchburg.

And so we're going to work with the county with Chris or with the city with Chris and get that connection to Azalea Park on Old Lynchburg Road, the sidewalks there, and then re-evaluate the Greenway at a later time.

Let's see here, just an update on some older TA projects.

Greer Drewitt, that shared use path connection there should be going for construction this winter and

Avon Street, Mountain View School there.

We have some pedestrian crossing improvements there that will be constructed this winter as well.

That was older TA grants.

And then we have Berkmar is in design right now.

Berkmar shared used path connection from Ryle to Hilton Heights Road.

That's currently underway in design.

And

Let's see here.

It's kind of some projects I wanted to highlight and Fifth Street extended corridor study that was VDOT led corridor study, some improvements there, a lot of bike pet improvements as well, and suggestions in that corridor.

So they will be going to the board for further information in February.

Real quick, Dan, on the old Lynchburg, I talked to Kevin.

I might need to wrap Amanda into that conversation because there's on street sidewalk work and if the city's mic is going to kick in some money, I may need to talk to her about if she's got any money in the upcoming fiscal year because I think she got zeroed out this year too.

Yeah.

Pretty much all the conversations on that one.

Thanks, Dan.

Tom, did you want to say anything?

I just had one question.

From an intermodal transportation perspective, and given the fact the state recently acquired that east-west rail line from Albemarle County through the city, is there any planning being done long range to somehow figure out how the rail would affect pedestrian bike usage and interconnectivity with the region?

We've certainly been, you know, the people working on the Three Notch'd Trail are really excited that that rail corridor will become Commonwealth property.

Doesn't mean we could slap a trail next to it physically on the entire length, but in places where the Three Notch'd Trail would want to be next to it or cross it, that's really exciting news.

But to your larger point, yeah, there's like, there's a

An old railroad crossing down by Woollen Mills that was closed by CSX.

And I'd be interested in the urban area where there's crossings and things like that.

Does the Commonwealth taking ownership of the right of way reopen some considerations?

I think, Dan, there's some in Crozet that were closed some years ago completely.

Can we renegotiate those things when the Commonwealth takes over the right of way and at least get the bike ped option back in?

That's an interesting question.

So Thomas, your view of it, I don't see that being purchased in the next couple of years, but is that moving faster than I assumed?

And you're right.

Yeah, I don't particularly know the details of the sales transaction, but I do know like just looking at what happened with the VRE in Stafford County, Stafford County was really kind of caught off guard when things went so rapidly.

So there could be opportunities to at least have some on a very broad scale strategic plan as to how it may impact transportation in the region.

And it could actually be quite favorable for bikes and pedestrians.

Yeah, we at least put a plug in with Nick Ruiz at DRPT, who I think is somewhat involved in that transaction.

So we've put the very conceptual flag out there.

We ought to keep our ear to the ground and see our ear to the rail, right?

And be there when the deal closes and make sure we move that to the next step.

Yeah, the other thing I would comment on is I think there seems to be a lot of good progress with the different corridors and trying to work interconnectivity.

But just to kind of reinforce what Michael was saying,

The One Map really pretends to be an opportunity to communicate to various approvers, particularly CTB, how the city and county projects tie in together.

At the same time, we've seen some challenges, projects like

Commonwealth and Dominion drives having fairly significant right of ways, Ivy Road having a fair amount of build up and cross slope connections or corrections that have to be made to make some of these road and bike and pedestrian improvements.

So I think if you can get the one map to a point where it can be used as a baseline,

And then you can start to look at it from a marketing perspective as to are there any low hanging fruit type projects that can be quickly executed that don't require extensive right away.

On the other hand, a smart scale project like the hydraulic 29 which gets a bridge across 29 that's huge for interconnectivity between the north south and the east west trails are being done by their respective localities.

So I think

You're on the cusp of having a lot of good tools to help articulate what you're trying to get and to fund them.

But I would just ask that knowing that we can get caught up in a lot of right of way issues, that should be a pretty good barometer as to how quickly you might be able to execute some of these projects.

Great.

Thanks for those comments.

That's really helpful.

Let's see.

Thanks, Amanda.

Sorry, Jessica.

It's been a long year.

So a couple of things.

So PC is hosting three events that are all related this in the next month, which I'll get into a second.

But we're also following a whole host of state-level legislation, and two pieces have bicycle implications.

One is the Bicyclist Safety Act, which

I think you all probably know about it, and Amanda sent out a link about it to be packed, but would make some changes to rules at the stop sign, allowing a bicyclist to make a rolling stop in certain situations, allowing them to ride to a breast, and also changing, this is maybe the most significant, is changing the three-foot rule to

must change lanes to pass a bicyclist.

So that could really change what it feels like to ride a bicycle.

And then the other one is an interesting $5 million for long distance trail planning in the governor's proposed budget.

So we're following both of those.

They seem to be advancing slowly.

and then the events that we're hosting.

So registration open for the active mobility summit, which is in February.

And I'm about to post information in the chat about those.

So that'll be an opportunity for organizations to come in and almost do like a pitch fest for projects that they're working together on or that

they see an opportunity to work together on that'll be facilitated.

And that's a Friday, February 26th.

We're also co-hosting with the city and the public library is safe streets book club where we're reading Angie Schmidt's right of way.

And that includes a free book for anyone that would like to participate information about that in the chat.

and then also the Active Mobility Alliances meeting tonight at five o'clock.

And the two main items are talking about the summit and picking a name for the group.

And also we have a new breaking item which is one of our members city bikes needs a new, I mean, community bikes needs a new home.

Thanks, Peter.

Peter, I have a really quick question.

The $5 million governor's trails thing, does that go into a competitive grant program?

Yes.

So I've heard mixed information about that.

So my sources implied that there is a project attached to that.

and similar was reported in the Mercury News, but I'm also hearing people saying, no, no, no, that's not at all.

I guess it's got to go through the general assembly budget process and all that.

Correct.

And we see it as no matter what it's good news, as long as it's a sustainable ongoing funding and obviously hopefully equitably distributed across the Commonwealth

Okay, that's going to wrap things up.

I just want to remind Amanda, your homework is to send me the GIS info so I can take the One Map stuff off your hands.

And Dan and Chris, your homework is to reach out to me with a meeting date so I can set you up with all the presentation materials so you can talk about the Rivanna Bridge project to all the people who need to hear about it.

I think that's it.

Thanks everyone for attending.

Send me any emails with any follow-up questions or comments.

That's it.