Board of Supervisors Meeting   1/11/2022

I'd like to call the January 11, 2022 afternoon session of the Nelson County Board of Supervisors to order.

For business is public comments.

Just a quick review for speaking during the comment period.

I'll call speakers from the sign up sheet who signed up before the meeting.

When your name is called, come to the podium, speak in the microphone clearly, state your name and address for the record.

If you're speaking on behalf of the group, please identify the group you're representing and direct your comments to the board.

Individuals, we speak for three minutes.

If you're representing a group, you can have up to five, and the chair has the discretion to award additional time if he or she so desires.

And if anyone has not signed up, you'll still get a chance after those who have had their chance to speak.

Good afternoon.

I'm Edith Napier.

I live at 43 Napier Loop in Arrington, Virginia.

I'll come to you again regarding an issue that I've come several times before, and that is being able to get ambulance service to the hospital requested.

Recently, I personally experienced the incident when

The individual was denied being taken to the hospital where they were regularly serviced.

And then over the Christmas holiday, a neighbor who we had a medical need was refused to be allowed to take them to the hospital associated with her doctor and where she's been served.

I believe, Mr. Harvey, you said it had been taken care of.

but it keeps reappearing.

So I ask that please look into that and see that it's taken care of because when someone is upset with a loved one that needs immediate medical services, it's not the time to try to be argued with someone about the hospital they'll be taken to.

And once they get to the hospital, it means a lot that their records are there and their doctors did.

That's all that we have signed up on our list.

I'm just wondering if this stink bug is talking about today.

Oh, it's not talking.

It may have had something to say.

Would anybody like to come and address the board?

Okay, then I will close the public comment panel.

Next item on the agenda is the reorganization of the board for our annual organizational meeting.

The board's organizational meeting is required by state law.

No ordinance to be conducted at the first regular session in January.

The first order of business is to elect a chairman and vice chairman.

And as in the past, I would just open the floor for nominations for chairman of the board of supervisors.

Moved.

Any other nominations?

I'll move to close.

Second.

Mr. Garvey?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Garvey?

Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Hardin?

Yes.

Mr. Hardin?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Yes.

Thank you.

Congratulations.

Sounds like I'm in line.

Is there a second?

Amanda?

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Yes.

Mr. Parr?

Yes.

Okay.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Mr. Parr?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

I'll call the board's attention to Resolution R-22-01, which provides for the board's annual organizational meetings, statutes, dates and times, and locations for the board's meetings, and in addition here too, provides a listing of appointments the board needs to consider.

As it relates to the, I get the hammer now.

Thank you, sir.

I appreciate it.

As it relates to some of the appointments for this board's record, I do have, upon completion of my chairmanship with the TJPDC, I will be stepping down halfway through the year.

So my chairmanship I believe is up in July.

So I just want the board to be aware of that.

I do know as it relates to the Nelson County Planning Commission, I will say the Planning Commission has had a majority for some time.

I do have an interest in participating in the Planning Commission.

Then Mr. Reed has done a good job in the last couple of years.

I just can pass the baton.

Well, I respect that, Ms. Rutherford.

I, in the last year, have enjoyed my stint on the Planning Commission.

I think that the next year is going to be really critical as we launch the comprehensive plan

And I mean, that would be your, you will be completing your second year going into your third year, correct?

Correct.

Gotcha.

So how does all this work as far as the committee assignments?

I mean, is this list that we have right here, is that

Exactly.

I mean, I will say, and again, I appreciate Mr. Reed's service on the planning commission, but it would be nice to get a representative from this side

and with Mr. Rutherford probably stepping down on a Soviet TJPDC at the end of that term, I think it would be good to have his expertise on the Planning Commission.

Yeah, I've spoken.

I know that.

We'll deal with that later.

I think historically before our term, usually it was the chairman served on the planning committee, and that's not all the time, but a lot of the time it would be the chairman also served on the planning commission, historically.

And some of that changed with time constraints and also just levels of interest.

I would say just to resolve it, it would be just simpler if we just started making motions and see where they ended up.

All right, we have a motion on the floor.

We need a second.

Second for Mr. Harvey.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you, sir.

Mr. Parr expressed an interest to me in becoming familiar with what the Social Service Board did.

And I said that I had just started to get to understand it.

But it was important that all members of the board understand how that works.

And it's important to our community.

All right, we have a motion to approve Mr. Parr on social services.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

We have a second for Mr. Reed.

At this point, any further discussion?

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

All right, moving on.

At this point, do we need to approve after those adjustments the remaining organizational schedule?

Is there any other adjustments that the board wishes to make on this current setup?

All right, it is 3B.

with the adjustment, got it.

Is that okay?

All right, we have a motion for the presented with the adjustments that were made with the prior two votes.

Do we have a second?

We have a second for Mr. Parr.

Mr. Martin?

Mr. Parr?

Yes.

Mr. Osberg?

Yes.

Excellent, thank you all so much.

Moving on into further business, we have the consent agenda.

Special recognition today of Mr. Bailey.

Mr. Harvey, if I'm not mistaken, he's from your side of the county.

I was hoping we could potentially pull that from the agenda and you potentially read it.

Mr. Bailey, if you don't mind coming up real quick.

I have a resolution I'd like to read.

Resolution number 2000,

22-04, the Elser County Board of Supervisors recognition of Donald Bailey, whereas Donald Bailey became active in the Elser County elections in 2006, and whereas Donald Bailey served as an officer of the election in 2006 to 2010, as Donald Bailey served as member of the chairman of the Elser County Electoral Board until from 2010 to 21,

Whereas Donald Bailey has faithfully and falsely contributed to the fairness, accuracy, and integrity of the election of Nelson County for many years, the members of the Board of Supervisors wish to commend and thank Donald Bailey for his exemplary service to Nelson County, which is indeed appreciated by all our citizens.

Now therefore be it resolved

Excellent.

We have a motion from Mr. Harvey.

Do we have a second?

Second.

Second from Mr. Barton.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

Thank you so much, Mr. Bailey, for your years of service.

Thank you.

It's been a pleasure.

Yes.

As we all know, elections are a very difficult task.

I got you.

No.

Well, a little bit.

It's not always easy.

It's always an honor and a privilege to be working in a nonpartisan way on the board.

However, I really want to turn Jackie Britt in her staff because without them we could not do as a board, we could not do what we do.

And I want to thank you gentlemen for financially supporting

Certainly.

Mr. Bailey, thank you so much.

All right, moving on further in the consent agenda, we have the minutes for approval in a budget amendment.

It is the Chair's recommendation that we approve this consent agenda as presented with the remaining items.

So moved.

We have a motion from Mr. Parr.

We need a second.

Second.

Second from Mr. Harvey.

Mr. Barton.

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

All right, moving forward into presentations.

VDOT is not coming today.

However, we have a guest here with the Millennium Group.

If you don't mind coming forward, and if we could get the projector on and whatever else in presentations, that would be great.

Good afternoon, thank you so much.

My name is Johnette Perdette.

I reside at 135 Pine Hill Lane in Norwood, Virginia, and I'm here in representing the Millennium Group and the Nelson Heritage Center as the executive director.

We thank you for the opportunity to present and to give you an update on where we are with the Health Department renovation project and moving the Health Department to the Nelson Heritage Center located on 29th

We do have just a very brief PowerPoint presentation to walk through the process.

Again, I want to thank you for the opportunity to

to have this space in your grace in order to present a lot of work that has gone into the last two years through this process.

A very dedicated executive board, but a very powerful community support system that stands behind the board to get us to where we are right now.

So the Millennium Group and the Heritage Center is definitely a physical presence in the community, as we all know.

is well on its way to making history and cracking some glass ceilings here in the county and the country at large.

It's a beacon in our community and it's committed to its mission of a community coming together.

The Millennium Group serves the community as a whole, the North, the South, the East and the West by bringing issues of diversity, issues of equity and issues of inclusion to the forefront of the community and combating social injustice at all levels within Nelson County.

We have several projects that we just like to note really quickly here to just as an example of the work and the investment that the board as well as the members have put into the center and the Millennium Group.

In 2021, the Executive Board and the Millennium Group applied for a grant and they were able to secure funding for an executive director as I stand before you today.

The gymnasium project is currently underway as members of the board have reported before.

And many of you are well aware, a couple of you even have taken time out of your busy schedules to come into the building and to tour that.

So our gymnasium project, a true community asset earlier in its life as a school and as a center, it's coming back to life with a new roof that it's already on, with a new floor that is in phases where we're working to

to complete the floor plot project and to have the ceiling put back on, new interior rehabilitation, which will include windows and new paint and a new HVAC system that is also in.

All of these projects have been funded through grants that the executive board and the members of Nelson County, the Heritage Center and the Millennium Group have applied for as well as donations.

just as an example of the activity and the dedication that the community has in the center and bringing it to functioning status.

We also have a soul account project, which has been completed over the last couple of months.

That was another grant that was received, the United States grant to the Millennium Group.

And we're continuing to work on the health department

Renovations, which we'll talk about in just a few minutes.

In addition to that, we've been in conversations with Nelson County Parks and Recreation and utilizing the fields as well as the gym once it is at code and is acceptable for volleyball, basketball and such.

So as you can see, over the last two years and even

Further than that, the Millennium Group and the National Heritage Center have been extremely busy and have been continuing to invest in a community in which they love and respect so much.

The Nelson Heritage Center, as I said briefly, is located right on 29.

It is a community center and it is grounded in community foundation.

The feasibility of the building and having the health department to move to the Heritage Center

just seems like a win for everyone involved as far as the community at large and being accessible right on 29 and not even two miles from where the health department is currently located.

That brings me to what I'd like to talk about today, the actual health department and this project and talking again about the location, the community field, the community investments, the community passion for this project, as well as feasibility.

The Millennium Group approached the Gold Ridge Health Department almost two years ago after a Board of Supervisors meeting where the request for facilities was presented.

At that time, the Millennium Group was currently working with Moore Architect and Calvin Moore, who's here with me today as well, on the renovation project.

The center is centrally located in the county of Nelson.

and its location served the county well for decades as the segregated high school for African American students from all parts of the county, as well as the junior high school after integration.

Schools are historically a grounding fixture of a community.

The county invested vast resources in securing this location and vetting it as appropriately placed for the children of Nelson County.

who ultimately depended on public transportation to bring them from the north, the west, the east, and the south ends of the county.

One would only assume then that this location would be an acceptable place for the patrons of the health department who find it easily accessible, as I stated, only two miles from its current location.

Our journey over the last two years has been very interesting.

There have been a lot of hours.

There's been vast resources that have been invested in this project.

We did not embark on this journey lightly, and we've been extremely strategic every step of the way.

Over the last two years, we've secured an architect firm.

That's Moore's Architecture.

Again, they're here with me today.

We have held the initial meeting with the health department staff.

We've held subsequent meetings with the health department staff, both virtually and in person.

We've held meetings at the health department.

We hosted the health department there for a tour of the building in the very beginning planning stages to make sure that what we were presenting as acceptable and usable space would be appropriate for their use.

And also that it would be comparable to the space that they currently have.

We've had four to five iterations of plans, test-fit plans.

which Calvin N. Wall Construction can answer any questions if you have those after I finish this presentation.

And that test plan process was a extremely long process with a lot of revisions.

We took what the health department asked for, we looked at their code, their regulations based on the clients and the patrons that they service, the different groups that are housed in the health department,

We looked at the number of employees they had.

We looked at what the general services says as a requirement for space as far as square footage.

We looked at all of those things.

We looked at them in comparison with the existing space at the Heritage Center.

And we came up with multiple iterations of a test fit plan for the health department to look at.

the beginning stages of this work face to face in person with the health department, with representatives, with Dr. Bonds, with representatives from general service.

Then we hit COVID and we hit a delay.

And I don't have to speak on this or to reiterate what we've all lived through for the last two years.

COVID-19 definitely delayed our planning process, but it will not derail the plan and it hasn't.

We have been able to persevere.

We've been able to regroup.

We've been able to take what we normally would do as a in-person meeting, bringing people together around the table, hashing out plans with markers, with pens, with pencils, remapping out different areas in the building.

And we were able to do those virtually.

I think the whole world has learned

There's quite a bit of things that we can do and interact and continue to engage virtually.

And we were able to do that with representatives from general service, with representatives from the health department, with our architecture firm, the construction company, as well as members of our subcommittee for the renovation.

So we did hit a bit of a delay back in 2020, but again, it didn't derail our plans.

So our test fit plans have been reviewed,

have been revised, have been accepted for the health department for their use.

The construction plans have been developed.

They've been reviewed as well.

Our subcontractors have been selected and confirmed.

And a construction schedule has been developed and approved that will meet the needs of the health department to be in the building by the end of 2022.

And lastly, as of today, prior to this meeting, our permit for the actual project has been applied for.

So to date, as I started at the beginning of this presentation and saying the Millennium Group, the executive board, the subcommittee for the renovations has been extremely busy over the last two years.

This has not been a short process.

This has not been a process that was taken lightly.

I mean, I've always admired the millennium group in their house.

I still do think the health department should be centrally located.

I think community involvement is there's no reason for us to do a litmus test, Mr. Barton.

I mean, you're adding all several items to this.

I think the Malina Duba group have done an excellent job with that Heritage Center.

I think they've done lots and they've had great fundraisers before COVID happened.

and really, it's quite remarkable, isn't it?

Yeah.

And see some things like this being done in other parts of our community would be wonderful.

Sure.

Would it be, I understand there was a meeting yesterday with the building inspections office and the millennium group?

Gotcha.

If you could, yes.

If you could come this way.

So members of the subcommittee at the Millennium Group that's working on this project in particular had a meeting with the architect and the construction company based on the review that we received from Mr. Miller's office through Mr. Carter in regards to our initial plans.

I've got, it's kind of a, it's a tenant project and we've got, you know, there's very little input.

There's a group that's trying to make that happen.

And I know they're looking for the best interest for them, which having a tenant in that building would mean a whole lot to them, but

We've got to make sure that we're doing the right thing for the county and the people, of the whole county.

I mean, there's nothing but the location, okay, you know, but a mile or so from the county line.

And from my end, all the way up there, you're looking at 30, 35 miles.

That's not the main factor, but I mean, it's just, you know,

If I may, and again,

One thing I didn't say, but hopefully the board understands this, that in a county project, once the debt is retired, those lease payments come directly to the county.

It goes back to saying I was frustrated the whole time.

Looks like every time we give one of these schools away, we end up releasing it back.

I think we've got a long ways to go to get to the point.

Pardon me.

I think though that

in leasing those back that Rockfish and Nelson Center and hopefully these other schools accrue great benefits to the county.

I mean, they are important, the Rockfish Center is an important part of that part of the county and the Nelson Center is an important part.

That's what they want to do.

Well, I'm saying it's not like we are actually doing everything and then paying to operate it.

Well, certainly that could have happened.

But given the way that things have turned out, the Nelson Center has become a great example of the community stepping up with the Community Development Foundation that houses our Parks and Rec department.

And

You know, nothing nothing is free.

We have to pay for it one place or another.

I don't 100% agree with that.

I'd like to hear building inspections for their office.

Charles Miller with Building Inceptions.

I have reviewed the plans of preliminary as I told the, originally told Wall Construction that until you actually submit a building permit, an application, you know, I'm not gonna review the plans.

That's just not the process the way it goes.

As a courtesy to the county, I went ahead and did that and gave them a copy of just preliminary right now what I saw.

There are some things that need to be done on the plans to make it code compliant.

What other questions do you need?

I mean, some of my concerns, firewalls, supporting for that separation between is still an E at school.

It's never, the occupancy has never changed and they're going to a B in the center and they have an E on the other side.

So there's some issues with firewalls in there that need to be addressed from the foundational way up.

There's things that need to happen with HVAC.

The plans don't show anything for HVAC in there.

That's got to be code compliant to bring it up to 2018 and the Virginia Energy Code, along with the Building Code for the 2018 Commercial Code.

Yeah, my point was we know we're close to making a decision.

Sure.

Yeah, as it relates to the health of our whole lot of

And that may be a scenario this board needs to take, is take a step back from the health department conversation, see what comes to fruition, because there are probably several weeks to a month of getting a building permit potentially, depending on design, structural engineers, geo techs, whoever that might be.

I do think what we don't have to do is slow down the social services portion.

If you go build a building, if we go build a building and put both of them in, then it needs to be done together.

One of the building, I mean, the Regennis building has real questions, right?

What other offices could we,

with the social service, nothing.

You have to have a lot of jobs.

If I could just piggyback in on the building inspections comment, I'd like to hear comments from Mr. Wall, if that's appropriate.

Sure, absolutely.

Sure.

Thank you Chuck for that preliminary review and that's what it is part of this process.

John Natschek submitted

You're always in a formal application today that Mr. Miller will review for code compliance.

And what happens in this process that he will review it sheet by sheet and do it according to the continued construction code and respond his findings back to me.

And I will look at him, review that, and then respond to Mr. Miller's questions, concerns, clarifications.

And then he and I will get together

and so we're to come to an agreement if the building meets code and its life safety has been secured for that particular structure.

Once all that happens and we agree that this building is safe for its occupancy, then what we'll do if there's any comments that addresses a change to the draws that need to happen, then we will make that change at that point and then resubmit back to the county for a final building permit

which will also serve as the contract between the millennia group and law construction.

So that's just part of the process.

We're moving right along.

Like I said, Jeanette submitted the application today.

The process has moved forward in good faith.

We should have a quick turnaround.

Well, address the board if you could.

It probably wouldn't take a month or so.

Yeah.

You know, once we get those comments back addressed,

Kevin has addressed all the issues for Mr. Miller.

I'll get you to hear what you said.

We're going to send that back to Mr. Miller.

Can you pull the pass down so we can understand you?

So we filed for the permit today.

and what I have a project manager reached out to Mr. Miller just trying to get through the process of Nelson County.

You guys don't do a plan until you file for permit.

Permit localities do it different ways, but that does, we need to get that permit secured.

We've done that so we can get a full review from Mr. Miller to move through that.

But looking at your schedule concerns, I don't see any major schedule concerns and we've also built in budget contingency to get through the review process with the building inspector.

I think Kelvin and I went through his comments together.

We did that Monday.

And I think the preliminary review was to see from that review, preliminary review or initial review, was there anything that we saw that would add a tremendous cost to this project that would prevent it from moving forward?

And we reviewed it and we didn't find anything.

The firewalls, that's common code and things like that.

So we're going to address that.

And the other thing too, about schedule again, once we get to the dental permits review and address those concerns for a five permit set, one thing that I've done this week in particular is went to my long lead time subs, that long lead time material storefront, doors, area handlers.

Obviously COVID has made the supply chain issues

So we went through that process early this week to make sure that our subs understood our low bid subs.

We put this out in bid on construction at the bid clerk, all those commercial bid services and went through that process in November.

So we are prepared to move and secure contracts with our subcontractors.

And I do understand lead times.

You know, if we start, the biggest concern that I had was making sure we could source materials

Because what we're going to do is turn over substantial complete building by November 1st to do the punch out, final inspections.

But have you addressed the fact, I mean, this is a school.

Yes, sir.

And we're going to turn it into a commercial facility open to the public.

Well, the good thing is the school was built with non-combustible materials to store it for us.

So that really does actually help you get it into a commercial space.

If it was a residential multifamily wood frame, we'd have a lot of more issues to deal with firewalls.

And in the build section, we made some good comments about that.

We weren't going to address them, but luckily this building is a non-combustible.

I mean, it's metal stud framing, ratchet.

I mean, it's a commercial building.

And what we're going to do to demo it, you know, like the windows we're putting in a commercial storefront system.

So we're using commercial grade materials to meet the code and the fire ratings and everything.

So yeah, I don't have a concern with it being a school.

Yeah, it would be, to build a new one would be double what we're spending on the renovation.

You got a foundation roof.

We are salvaging a lot of the building itself.

But cost of construction has been out of control.

And I mean getting this thing done, if it's a critical thing for you guys to have a health department in another space by the end of the year, going through the design, and I saw architecture, probably that's a primary schematic level, and I know that if the inspector wants to get a final permit set, I would agree with him.

But we're much

from the state of Virginia.

You're talking maybe, luckily, starting construction in the summer.

And this is a new construction project that's going to run in 12 months.

The numbers that they showed, I think they're fairly accurate.

Thank you guys so much.

So a point for the board to consider is, are we still too early to make a decision?

I'd like to get some input on that.

I do concur with Mr. Harvey.

We're still a month away from getting anywhere closer.

I mean, it's on our agenda to make a decision.

Last month, the only reason we didn't is because we requested this meeting we're having right now.

Well, I don't see any benefit in making a decision today with possibly the exception of getting a more detailed standalone social service building plan together.

I just wanted to note two other things in this.

One of them is that there are benefits of having a standalone social service

which has to do with both security and the emotional stigma of dealing with social services.

So that is something that is worth considering also.

A health department building is really not, it's really a state building, I mean it's a state facility, it really is not a county facility even though it certainly is a county.

So I think that having a,

Well, Ernie, we are doing this building, not the center out there.

I mean, it looks like to me we need to get that settled first.

And you're talking about you can't have other things in there, are they going

There's no need to have them together.

I mean, you know, months ago I brought up the fact that coupling the two together was not necessarily in the best interests of

of each of them.

Financially, because you're doing two instead of one, there may be an advantage, but not in terms of the services.

I'm just so grateful for the powerful presentation that the Runium groups make today.

I feel very good about it.

I certainly want to see that go forward.

I certainly want to see a home for our department of social services.

It seems like we've got the best of both worlds here.

It doesn't serve the community well.

It doesn't serve 90% of the county.

I mean, that does serve it well.

I don't know, like we did the youngest.

I'm confused on your comment.

You said that earlier.

Well, the state is.

No, it's the county.

It's a split cost.

The state pays approximately just under 60%.

That's my point about the advantage of the county and the state with the county facility.

All right, board, so I just think you need to get together and get some understanding of how the whole thing, I mean, it's really no, don't even make an action if you don't.

Okay, so on this particular item, we don't have to make any motions.

We don't have a resolution in here.

We can consider this at a later date for social services and health department.

No.

I'm ready to.

Maybe in the budgets, if the budget session kicks up, well, is it?

I don't think budget sessions will kick in before February meeting.

No, I'm ready to be right away on.

Yeah.

We've asked the same question of do they want to be anywhere?

We can only get comments that they can't go public on.

So they will listen to us.

Sure.

I've talked to them over the past two years about this.

They are in a position of having to be fair and I don't think either

The money group has addressed the state's request for proposals.

The county obviously doesn't decide.

We've asked for Boise County's authority, but essentially the Department of General Services

Does the county build a facility or not?

So the question comes down to, are we to consider this at a later date?

Do we, you know, want to consider this as just one building, social services?

I think we need a dedicated meeting.

The millennial group, are they responsible for getting the money?

We're not privy to that.

That's my assumption.

They don't just show up.

Right.

I really don't think that's necessary.

If there are motions,

I don't know that we want to.

But I will do so if that's a concern.

And I'm sorry that you feel that's the message that's being sent because we're not going to vote on, we're either going to vote

To build a building, we're not going to vote at all.

So not voting on it does not delay anything for any other group.

Voting on something could, so I think it's better that we have

I'd like to make a motion.

We have a motion and a second.

Are you talking about across the road?

Yeah.

What are you talking about?

Okay.

Getting the social services at that.

Right.

Not exactly.

Sure.

That's correct.

We'll do that.

And that comes with the fiscal side of that as well.

That is the motion.

Yes.

Yeah, we'll set a special meeting either in January or February to address just directly.

January, get it done quick.

Motion and a second has been made.

No more discussion.

Mr. Harvick.

Yes.

Mr. Parvick.

Mr. Rutherford.

Yes.

Okay.

So, one item done.

Is there any further motions that need to be made on this subject or are we just... Or we can move on.

Board okay with moving on?

Okay.

Yeah, we'll do a five minute recess.

Thank you all.

Forward, we are going into new and unfinished business.

We brought this back to the board for hope of a final decision, including a resignation to the board's consideration.

As we reported last month, after some due diligence working through the legitimacy of the government, we followed up with the Alomar Charlottesville Regional Jail, which I'm the county's representative, so I knew about this.

The jail is contracted with Management Advisory Group International,

to conduct a compensation study and keep the county to piggyback to the cooperative procurement provision that the jails also utilize to retain management advisory groups to conduct a compensation study.

So I'd just draw the board's attention to the second page after the resolution, which outlines the cost proposal.

Let me get my notes.

The compensation and compensation study is $22,000 per MAGI's proposal.

Added to that would be $2,500 in travel expenses and its options, which I would suggest to board the option for assisting with development job descriptions.

I think we have 45 positions, or about 45 position descriptions

So that number 75 would add another, just to evaluate our current job descriptions, another $3,375.

And then if the board also would want to include the Department of Social Services, that would add another $4,000.

So with the base cost and travel expenses, the consideration of working on job descriptions, including DSS, the cost would be

It's something we ask you to consider.

to the constitutional offices where their salaries are basically set by the state, not by the county.

So adding the county, they're the only, I think, local department.

The county doesn't supplement through an annual supplement policy that the board adopted many years ago.

So the consideration is, do you really want to include either supplementing their salaries

at augmenting them further than the state does.

I would say yes.

From my experience on the board, you know, turn over is an enormous problem.

No, I really don't understand.

It's just for me just to reiterate

The state sets the salaries so if the board, through this compensation study, if the compensation study said they should be paid more than the obligation if the board decided to accept that information would be incumbent upon the county to pay that additional cost, not the state.

So that's the same with the constitutional officers.

All right.

Well, what is the pleasure of the board?

on the compensation study.

What are we voting on?

Yeah, we have to make a motion.

So what you would do is say, I move that we pass Resolution R 2022-05 with the inclusion of social service positions.

I do.

If I were to ask for consideration of the job description component, it would be $375 more roughly.

Total cost $318.75.

This was brought to the staff more so.

As I'm relating to a couple of members who discussed this with me, I think in November, I thought about this to make this recommendation for some time.

When we did this many years ago, it was a hiccup that I thought I never want to make again.

Steve, I don't like, we could have done something with three or four different scenarios into this thing.

The base cost to do the compensation study is $22,000.

The expenses of the consultant are $2,500.

So that would be $24,500.

If you consider including two options, one is the valuation of the county's job descriptions.

That would add $3,375.

If you include the Department of Social Service in the compensation study, that would add $4,000.

So with the two options,

The total cost would be $31,875.

Without the options, the cost would be $24,500.

When we polled three or four other localities about their recent studies, the average was in the $45,000 to $50,000 range.

So do we need an amendment to that motion?

I have to look at the resolution.

Okay, so you're the motioner.

I really don't have any feeling on that.

Discussing with Ms. McGarry when we first got this proposal.

We need to take a look at them.

All right.

He's amended both that there not to exceed the 31,000.

That's what you want in there.

Not to exceed the 31,000.

All right.

Do we have a motion?

Do we have a second?

We have a second from Mr. Reed.

Any discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Great.

Thank you.

All right.

Moving forward into our 2022-06, it's the school division request.

Well, Dr. Cox is here.

I guess if he has comments, the board can invite him up.

OK.

So we previously received a request through Ms. Irvin, the assistant superintendent of Brooksburg, supplemental appropriation of $503,190.

And the memo, the letter from Ms. Irvin to me is included in the board's package.

and the associated architecture and engineering fees, $503,990.

And then we noted that the funding source would be the unexpended operational funds for the school budget, school division's FY 2021 budget.

Counterpoint that I submitted to Ms. Irvin was in assessing the division's enrollment in relation to Governor Northam's, what is it called?

Caboose bill, excuse me, had to think about it.

It appears even with a decline in the estimated enrollment that the school division based its budget on in saving

They overestimated about 60 some students, so they had to make up approximately $154,246 based on Governor Northam's caboose bill, which would be applicable to the current fiscal year.

If that is endorsed at the end of the general assembly session, the division would realize another $316,199 in additional revenue.

So adding that to the savings, they would have approximately $470,445 towards the 503 that they requested.

And I suggest to Ms. Irvin that, why can't the schools carry the cost when you see what happens with this as a result of the General Assembly session?

Because that computer bill will happen.

It's just a question of, will it be the same as number

Of course, we have no idea whether that bill is going to survive as it is.

It'll just be additional revenue.

Thank you, Mr. Carter.

I will ask Mr. Cox, do you have anything to add?

And I think, I certainly appreciate the opportunity to work with the county administrator.

We kind of think a few things.

I think one thing is that we really don't know

I think as we have kind of looked at this is that we have several projects that we've committed to.

We have supply chain problems, which I know a lot of people have had a certain amount of need to us.

Several different appropriations.

We've got some staffing shortages and things like that that we're trying to deal with.

And I think as the economy should recognize that

with the new Governor and the new General Assembly, but we do make the request.

We do think the greenhouse is a very, very important project.

I do think that it would really be something that would make not only the community very private, but I think it would really enhance the education of our students at Nelson High School.

So we do ask for the appropriation

The only thing I would add is that we have entered into agreements to do the greenhouse and other projects based on the fact that we were going to use the CIP

The leftover budget money for CIP projects is something we've done over the years.

Maybe we need to formalize that process somehow between the boards.

But it was our understanding when we voted to do this that that's where we would be getting the money.

Yeah, I just think it's a disgrace to go up and see that nice complex.

Okay.

May I just add that the General Assembly session will be over around March 12th.

The cost can be carried until that time.

I think, I hope they'll find wonderful things in the surplus, and I hope they have.

I agree with Mr. Barton.

Being familiar with how money left over in the budget at the end of the year serves the school board and the schools is something that has been fairly consistent while I've been on the board and I'd like to see, unless we

Anybody else have any other thoughts?

I'd like to make a motion that we adopt Resolution 2022-6

All right, we have a motion from Mr. Reed.

We need a second.

Second.

We have a second from Mr. Barton.

Is there further discussion?

Mr. Reed.

Yes.

All right.

Our 2022-06 passes.

Moving forward into reports.

An update on, as always it seems like, the coronavirus.

As of last Friday the 7th, the county had 15 new cases of the virus and said they averaged about 22 cases.

We had a daily average from December 30 to January 2, 32 cases and a high of 49 cases on January 2.

And then fortunately, from January 30 to 7, the daily average declined a bit from 14 to 14.6 cases with a high of 18 on January 4.

So as I'm sure the board is aware, the virus continues.

Just updating the totals for the county.

Currently, as of the December 14th report, there are now 1882 verified cases of the virus in the county that occurred in the county versus 1575 cases that were reported last month, an increase of 302.

Hospitalizations

reported in November and December and deaths increased about 1 to 24 from 23 on December 4th.

The Center for Disease Control reported 156 cases of the virus as

January 10th, and lists Nelson and Virginia as areas of high transmission.

It begins to recognize that everyone wear a mask indoors in public settings, adding that masks may vary, mask requirements may vary from place to place.

We continue to, some wear masks, some don't.

And I've just included as an attachment

people who contract the virus, your status of what to do, et cetera, et cetera.

Redistricting, we have information to report about that today because of the, and I'll get to my report and then come back to this, because of the state's plan, the county's plan that the board has worked on previously has to be redone, so we have information to report on that today.

And we understand that

may have had this done by the February regular session.

We're working on that.

The general reassessment for 2022, Wal-Mart has completed its work.

They've included their hearings.

We're waiting for the final report, which Mr. Haynes told me last week would be forthcoming, hopefully sometime this week, and then we'll share that with the board of course.

We also asked the board of appointments to really try to appoint

broadband $1,380,000.

The board previously approved to be dispersed to Firefly, CPSI, while it's completed as of 12-31, including an agreement with Firefly committed to their obligations.

The general assembly session will begin tomorrow, and it's a longer session, 60 days, one or about, it's included, one or about March

County's budget, we're in process.

I still anticipate probably late February for initial presentations to the board.

We're trying to get there faster, but right now, probably February.

And lastly, maybe in conjunction with what the board discussed about the

Planning meeting, the board indicated they wanted to have another session not included within a regular meeting, so we asked the board to, as a part of today's agenda, continue this meeting to either a later date in January or early February to work on prioritizing CIP projects.

Back to redistricting, we'll put some

Callings information up on the screen and then discuss that with the board.

Questions about anything else?

I think what we're going to show you first are the House of Delegates, the state Senate, and the congressional districts, how they align for Nelson County.

We had included maps from the Supreme Court's redistricting maps that were approved at the end of December, which again split Nelson County into two House of Delegates districts.

The county is currently in the 53rd, as you see here.

and the 55th, which you see the remaining portion of the county there in green.

This is the state senate map where Nelson is with Amherst, Algernon, and a portion of the visa.

And then you've got congressional district map shown there.

So as a result of the House of Delegate maps,

We had to adhere to the pink boundary on the northeast side there.

We couldn't adjust that, and our previous proposed change deviated from that, so we had to come up with some other options.

First option that we came up with after we had to

to move away from our original thinking that we agreed to last time was to move these people here between 29 and minority tracts in Fall Park from the Central District into the East District in order to meet the population requirements.

And it may be easier

you know, look down the lower left corner and especially on the maps that you have printed.

A second option was to move the citizens who lived in the Glenthorne Loop area of Nellysford and that area actually continues

all the way down along 151, I believe, to Adell Road.

Let me just be on the south side.

I'm not sure.

Anyway, that was a second option.

A third option.

What's that option when you'd be spitting Nellys forward in half?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And all of these are kind of

Not going to be very popular, I don't believe.

Third option to move just the people on the west side.

I call this option Lower Beach Grove basically moves the people west side of Rockfish Valley Highway from the current line of the Beach Grove Road to Spruce Creek Lane and including

A little subdivision here and Horizons Village and Mill Hill and a short distance up Beach Grove Road.

Fourth option, I call this an upper Beach Grove, which kind of picks up there just above Mill Hill Lane and extends actually into the Fortunes Ridge Drive area of Wintergreen.

and then option five extends the North District further down along Route 6 and takes in HOA, Duncan Hollow Loop, and then people in subdivisions on the west side of 6 there and continuing down to Adall Road.

You know, I think, I don't think with plans 2 through 4, they're going to be very popular.

I've discussed with Jackie and we do believe that probably the easiest on the citizens of the county would be this plan 2-5, where people are getting a change from a Nellysford polling place to an Afton polling place.

And then probably

Second behind that, as far as convenience, would be moving people in the Farber area from the central to the east, which I believe would move them from voting in Farber to move to voting in Lovingston.

Is that correct, Schuyler?

As soon as you break out like show everybody's district just on one map.

What do you mean?

So we don't need to really see Skip's district in any scenario.

For each plan, what do you think?

Let's do a map for each one.

A screenshot of the area.

So for example, that last one where you had the North District was taking on a chunk of people, just showing the before and after.

If that makes sense.

It would be easier for us to kind of see and digest the cause and effect.

So I think it would just be easier for us to digest.

I do lean towards the two options that you had mentioned, the one with Afton taking that piece or the one with Fauver.

All right.

Yeah, we'll try to present some maps that are a little more defined as to the areas that are changing.

And I think, Steve, did we determine that?

We don't know yet.

So hopefully we'll know by the February meeting.

Perfect.

You got the green has gone over into the red and you get the red section, the green down there.

It looks like, I mean, just looking map wise, you could swap those two and

Really, but I don't have no idea what they had.

The last map you had right there.

We can't because if you... You can't go across.

Yeah.

This line here has to be maintained.

This blue line here cannot change.

So every change we make has to be along here or along here.

Right.

And that's that was our discussion.

And one of the scenarios sets the greater Davis Creek area.

It would absolutely, you know, they just kind of put us in a bind with the new law changes of what you can do.

I mean, what our change was made sense originally.

And then when they changed the law several years ago after a delegate race where you can't have a voting precinct giving out two different ballots with different delegate seats in them.

So that's where we are.

And that does make sense.

Yeah, no, I get that.

Yeah, it's because we have to adhere to this blue line and before we agreed upon before moved this line to here.

So we couldn't do that.

If we weren't a split legislative county, this would not have been an issue.

This would not have been an issue.

But they decided to split us again.

I live in the Bedford, the one that goes all the way to Bedford.

And Ernie is in the same kind of scenario except for his.

We wrote a letter.

We gave them specific information about the changes that we had already approved to our map.

The only avenue for submitting those was as a public comment to the Supreme Court.

They read every one but they ignored ours.

I mean it was a big formal

And as we've seen across the state, there is no sense in us, really, no sense in us in assuming that that was going to be it because they made dramatic changes across their draft maps everywhere.

And that's what we learned.

And there's several other scenarios in which that the Virginia government failed, their committee on redrawing failed.

So we would have had guidance prior to, but because they couldn't do their job, Supreme Court had to do their job.

And because Supreme Court didn't do their job until really recently, it made everybody's job just a little bit harder.

So here we are today and we'll be ready for next month.

Any other questions for Susan at this time?

Thank you so much, Susan.

We'll get back to February.

Alright.

Alright, moving forward.

On to board reports.

There is no unemployment.

We have full employment according to statistics.

It's like 2.5%.

And the problem of this board was to try to find workers as opposed to find workers' jobs, which was interesting.

And believe it or not, they actually had time to discuss this issue.

of why there's a shortage of labor in so many different areas.

And wages came up, you know, and in capitalism that everyone likes to applaud, you know, you have labor and you have capital and you have resources.

Well, labor is not getting their fair share.

Capital is

in growing enormously compared to labor.

And, you know, their discussion, how can you equalize that?

How can you make it so?

And, you know, one of the ideas was healthcare system, access to education, recreation.

Why is it that we can't get enough people to work?

Well, in capitalism, you're not paying enough.

But that is not really something that gets addressed too often in our society, which we have an incredible increase in the amount of wealth that the wealthy have.

So I think it was interesting meeting them.

Good job.

You know, the topic of labor is such a huge thing.

You can't solicit business if you don't have a stable workforce.

It's hard to solicit a stable workforce unless you have training.

It's hard to have training if you don't have a school populace that can support it.

Well, one of the interesting things is that in European countries, job training

Not preparation for job training, but job training itself is done by industry, not by government.

Is that all the reports you have?

All right, great.

No reports.

I met with Mr. Youngblood and Mr. Brown of VDOT regarding the 151 corridor and the reason was I wanted to get an idea leading up to the new comp plan what the status of

has been done and what options we were going to have for pedestrian and bicycle trails along 121 corridor.

They informed me about urban development areas and they also informed me that there is going to be a lot of money available to counties

for urban development areas, for 2D trams, and for transportation alternatives, which includes biking and hiking.

And so when we discussed how that might apply to 151, seeing as how, you know, that was a need that was identified both in the Rockfish Valley plan and in the one corridor study, we said, well, because of that, what we would need to do

was to get an amendment to our comp plan identifying the 121 corridor as an urban development area that would then, and Mr. Carter correct me if I'm wrong here, that and we go through that process that would give us an opportunity to qualify for those funds which might give us a step to be able to

create a piece, perhaps, as what we projected was something from the Rockfish Valley Foundation, Stony Creek.

And I also met with the new executive director of Wintergreen Resort, his name's Jay Gamble.

And we talked about the possibility of having a park and ride

area there.

Somewhere in that area it would help Wintergreen being able to get the workforce up onto the mountain.

It could also double as a drop-off location for pedestrians and bicycles.

So it seems like there are a lot of things, a lot of pieces in place that would allow us to not have to wait

for the end of a comprehensive plan process to be able to move on the sooners to the later especially since there's going to be money available.

So we've also contacted Rick Young, glad we hadn't heard back, so I'm going to speak with you today and follow up with Dylan and we're going to follow up with

and the company that we will be bringing back to get people to prove to sign a contract with the compliance.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

I appreciate that.

And meeting with them was about as good a meeting as I've ever had with VDOT.

I'm really grateful for their input and expertise on that.

And that's all I got.

Got to show it.

Thank you, Mr. Reed.

My only reports are PPC related.

We do not have a meeting this month.

Regional Housing Partnership, you know, we have some movements for another conference hopefully coming up.

Hopefully COVID will limit itself so that we can have a proper function.

As everyone knows, I've stepped down from the Water Authority, so we will need to appoint someone there.

Lots of big moving parts there, and of course, big capital projects that, you know, an environment with supply chain issues have also impacted it as well.

Beyond that, I have no other further board report at this time.

Is that?

Yeah.

So what we'll do, whoever who gets appointed today, likely Mr. McSwain, we will, he will finish my four-year term.

Yeah.

Six months or something like that.

All right.

So let's knock a couple of these.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We have a motion to second.

Do we have any other discussion?

No discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Great.

Congratulations.

Thank you, sir.

Appreciate it.

Alright, moving on to we still don't have anybody for the job report or is this a recent resign?

His term expired.

He did not wish to be reappointed.

Okay.

Gotcha.

Okay.

I will keep that in mind.

Board of Equalization staff have asked that if we could please expedite choosing folks, we cannot have any more than five, correct?

Minimum of three, so we could do three or do five.

I tend to err on the more the merrier.

We have five right here.

And Mr. Ballou and Mr. Nelson have both served on the last Board of Equalization.

Mr. Ballou does meet the real estate requirements.

Yes, the real estate requirements.

Mr. Bibb has had property management experience in real estate, even in short-term and long-term rentals, as well as work in construction.

Perfect.

So all five of those applicants, if we approved all of them, would satisfy the state's requirements.

Okay.

What is the Pledge of the Board?

Just a quick one.

Central.

West.

Div.

Div is south.

Phillips.

You have to appeal your assessment.

They can change the value on appeal, but they can't change the overall of the assessment.

So if I submitted an appeal, as the assessor's already doing, they could look at mine and comparatively look at the data from the assessor

Oh yeah, everything they do is public.

A few minutes.

Alright, Mr. McSwain.

If you want to think about it a little bit, we'll just hop on into correspondence.

Mr. Barton, do you have any correspondence you'd like to talk about?

No.

Nothing?

Mr. Reed?

No.

Mr. Parr?

No.

No correspondence.

Alright.

Yes.

East and North did not apply.

We've had a couple others who've changed their minds.

Alright, while you're still thinking, we'll go on to directives.

Mr. Barton, do you have any directives?

Nope.

Mr. Reed, do you have any directives?

Is it a complicated one?

No, I think it's pretty simple.

In discussion with Ms. Clara, who's the central district school board member, she reminded me that we had intended to have a joint school board or supervisor meeting before the end of the year, which of course, due to all of the things that have been going on never happened.

It's impossible.

I'm fine with doing that.

We have a few dates we need to talk about here and we could hit that when we get to my directives.

The CIP meeting, probably tie in the DSS at the same time and then we'll join school board.

We don't plan on having our budget complete until the end of February.

Before the budget.

So let's do it for the month of February.

And we go on to, huh?

Early.

No, no, no, no.

We're not.

No.

What I'm saying we could do the first couple of weeks of February, we could do after.

But what we do is we do a correspondence to see what everybody's schedule is like.

Especially the school board.

And they have a lot on their plate.

So let's just do an inquiry for the month of February and see where it ends up with a majority of those.

Is that OK?

All right.

If we find an opening that works before that, we'll go for it.

So staff, can you arrange that and coordinate with school?

Great.

Thank you all.

Mr. Harvey, you were reading those names.

Top right corner.

I have no directives at this moment.

It's on you, Mr. Harvey.

Can we make a motion?

We have a motion from Mr. Parr to approve all of the applicants of Carleton, Malou, Collins, Nelson, James, Biv, Evan Phillips, and Courtney Cook to the Board of Equalization.

As presented, do we have a second?

I will second.

We have a second from Mr. Reed.

Any discussion?

Mr. Parr?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Parr?

Yes.

Yes.

Great.

Send them a godspeed and have fun.

In directives, I have no other directives.

It's my understanding before we go to other businesses presented, we have a closed session today.

One quick directive.

Yes.

If you could mention to maintenance staff that the snow on Monday, there's a lot of debris in the parking lot of the Piney River Trail on the

Marker sign and all around it.

I know they don't carry the trail itself, but as of yesterday, the parking lot was still pretty big.

Perfect.

All right.

So we have a closed session.

I move that the Nelson County Board of Supervisors convene in

2.2-3711.

A3, discussion or consideration of the acquisition of real property for a public purpose or discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiated strategy of the public property.

You got a piece of paper.

Here you go.

Second.

We have a second.

Alright.

Do we have any discussion?

Mr. Harvey.

And before it starts, we're going to take a couple of minutes.

Thank you.

Thank you all.

Are you the new reporter for Nelson County Times?

What's your name?

Public comments.

These are not reflected towards any of the special use permits today.

I open the public comments.

Are there any comments?

Seeing none, I'm going to invite our new guest who's with Nelson County Times.

She's a new reporter.

If you don't mind coming up, saying your name and

Nice to meet you.

Thanks.

So, second day on the job, right?

Yes.

Great.

Well, we look forward to working with you.

If you have any questions, always feel free to email, call, and Steve is usually your point guy.

So, great.

Thank you so much.

All right, we're going into the public hearings.

This is a request to resume property from R1 Residential to A1 Agriculture with a concurrent special use permit for an office to allow the existing dental clinic to construct an addition to the existing structure.

Located at 9605 Chrysler Shop Road in Afton, and the parcel is just under an acre, funded by Azul Real Estate.

It's adjoined by both R1 and A1 Zoning.

The area's mixed use in nature was the combination of agricultural, residential, and commercial uses, and Blue Mountain Brewery joins the parcel to the north.

It's been UOS as a dental office since the late 1970s.

Because it's located within the R1 district where office uses are not permitted, this is considered a non-conforming use.

With the adoption of the revised non-conforming ordinance in March of last year, it became prohibited to expand a non-conforming use.

Applicants proposing an addition to the structure which will be utilizing additional office space for the clinic.

Staff recommended the proposed rezoning to A1 with the concurrent special use permit due to the existing zoning and uses in the vicinity.

It's accessed by an existing customer entrance to the north on Chrysler Shop Road and an access easement to the south for staff.

VDOT did provide comments and the existing access on Chrysler Shop meets the minimum requirements

but the southern entrance they'll have to do some upgrades to, which is reflected on the updated site plan as well as some other outbuildings that were requested by the Planning Commission.

The Health Department did not have any comments.

There are no proffers submitted with this application.

At their meeting on December 15th, Planning Commission voted six to zero to recommend approval of the request to rezone the property from R1 to A1 with a special use permit for an office.

I was not able to attend that meeting,

The Planning Commission, I believe, voted 5-0 to approve it with an updated sci-fi diagram that more accurately reflected what was on the ground

Thank you so much, Dylan.

Would the applicant like to say anything or?

Perfect.

All right.

We're going to open up the public hearing.

Open the public hearing for rezoning number 477 special use permit number 478 R1 to A1 office.

And nobody signed up on the sheet.

Would anybody in the crowd like to say anything?

Nope, sounds great.

We close public conference.

All right, moving forward.

Board, what do we want to do?

Sounds good.

We have a motion.

Do we have a second?

Yes, I'll second.

We have a second for Mr. Reed.

All right, any further discussion?

Yes.

Great.

Approved.

The two items that the planning commission gave are no longer attached to it, so it's why.

You're good to go.

Thank you guys.

Alright, moving on to rezoning number 479 special use permit 480 R1A1 to A1 restaurant.

Alright guys, similar concept.

Request to rezone property from R1 to A1 with a special use permit for a restaurant.

This will align the zoning with the existing agricultural use and allow the food service facility to be accessible to the public as a restaurant.

It's located at Veritas Winery at Saddleback Farm.

The whole property is approximately 28 acres and we're discussing rezoning the R1 portion that runs along Afton Mountain Road.

The properties are joined by R1 and A1 zoning.

The area is mixed use in nature.

The farmhouse currently operates as a bed and breakfast, which is by right use.

Applicants have recently upgraded the kitchen and are requesting to open to the general public.

As I said, properties located within the R1 zoning is currently in agricultural use for the vineyard and the existing bed and breakfast would remain a by-right permitted use.

The property is accessed by an existing entrance from Afton Mountain Road.

VDOT does not have any comments.

The existing entrance is adequate.

They're currently working through some permitting with building inspections in the health department.

There are no profits submitted with the application.

Great.

Any questions for Dylan?

They're working through those issues.

It's 15 years for a structure.

The use has to be grandfathered if it was already by right, but 10 years ago it may have been a farm event.

Perfect.

Thank you.

The Planning Commission did not have any

All right.

Any other questions for Dylan?

Hearing none, would the applicant like to say anything?

All right.

Sounds great.

We're going to open public comments.

Nobody signed up.

Is there anybody in the crowd that would like to speak to this?

Phil, all eyes on you.

No?

You got enough?

I look for a free lunch.

Free lunch, see?

There you go.

First client.

All right.

Hearing none, no public comments.

I close the public comment section for rezoning 479, special use permit 480, R1A12A1 restaurant.

Mr. Harvey, I believe this is in your... Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve rezoning number 479, special use permit number 480,

Excellent.

We have a motion from Mr. Harvey to approve.

Do we have a second?

Second.

Second from Mr. Parr.

Any further discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Harvey?

Is there any other business that needs to be presented?

I'm reminded of something me and you talked about with Mr. Parr.

We went to Mr.

Yes.

Okay.

He did.

I'd say we're still in the process of evaluating the need or not.

Mr.

Sheets didn't come to me as far as I know.

He recently communicated to the board.

One of the concerns that MPOA has experienced is they've had many of their paid staff out with the virus and they

The reasons for reiterating his request to the board, you know, what I reported to the board previously is we're looking at call volume to answer the calls and, you know, where the call is located, the frequency, and trying to justify another two verses of the room being established, which adds a lot of extra expense.

Well I know that at the last EMS meeting it was brought up and all the departments agreed that they all supported a second paid crew in the county just because of how thin their spread.

He's related that concern to us, too, both with Augusta and with both of your counties.

What those two counties and what Mr.

Sheets has reported are doing or implemented are, I think that the pay-through here looks like a 24-hour, only 48-hour off basis.

that work on an annual basis.

So that's a concern to handle as far as being able to treat people with respect to pay.

The information he provided to us, to the county staff, was on the front end of their pay scales, comparatively, the WPA actually pays more.

It's on the end of their scale where they don't pay as much.

So it's a question of is that

necessary to pay our crews more or you know we need to compare or assess what time frame does it switch i think it's based on longevity so i know that but i mean after having years i have to check i'm not sure he provided that but he noted that if i recall correctly the entry for wpoa is about 48,000

I think the examples from Buckingham and Ritz-McGuster was, you know, basing this on memory, was that, as I said, their entry pay scales are less than the PLAs, but as you advance through the classification system, you get to the end, which is not unusual, they pay more.

So unless they're recruiting people with

That's why we keep reiterating to the board.

We want to and we're not that far along.

So it's a question...

Right, yeah.

I think it would be good for us to have Curtis maybe approach the board in a subsequent meeting just so we can have some dialogue.

Ms. Wardwell, she had reported that concerning the board a few years ago related to responses to one of her family members and she said they asked that the squad, whoever answered, take them to the

It ain't two minutes difference.

Well, we did follow up on that.

I made a note, I'm going to follow up on that.

But it could be somebody that could be someone new.

Well, it could be somebody that

had run with the volunteers too and understood it.

Well, another thing we'll be presenting to the board is part of the budgetary process is the billing company for, you know, in their services, ambulance billing.

The county's rates haven't been changed for about seven years, nine years or more.

And they're proposing that we increase them.

And even if you go

But she wasn't here today talking about the same issue from two years ago.

No, no, no.

I tell you it's a new issue.

And as I said, I made it new.

I follow Mr.

Sheets on that.

We're certainly not avoiding the CMS issues.

It's a lot of funding that they're asking for.

All right, any other further business that we need to talk about?

Hearing none, we need to continue this meeting to January 25th.

Was it the week of the 17th you said worked?

The following week is a lot better for me.

How's that work for you guys?

That's a Monday.

All right.

All right.

Okay, make sure the motion that was addressed earlier, see how far along we've gotten with that.

Okay, great.

We don't have too much on that, just have them.

Perfect.

All right.

Without objection.

Hearing none.