Board of Supervisors Meeting   11/9/2021

Please stand for a moment of silence.

I'd like to ask, do we remember Johnny Parton, the ex-board member for this festival?

He did pass.

Yes.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

Christian Barker.

Thank you.

Florence Hernandez, because you're speaking for the Fleetwood Community Center, you can have that.

Thank you in advance for your contribution to our amazing community.

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So with that, I'll move to the consent agenda.

Second.

OK, now we'll take a vote.

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Next we have Mr. Blount with the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission Regional Legislative Program.

Again, just to highlight a few of those in the Health and Human Services section, putting some additional emphasis on community-based services and some language that's been added to address census pressures at state hospitals.

What's in it?

Glad to discuss any items that I've mentioned during the program and again ask you all to give your endorsement this afternoon.

Okay, thank you very much.

Second.

OK. Any further discussion?

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Yes.

OK, we'll pass on that and move on to the next item, which is the Firefly proposal.

Anyone here speak to this?

I see.

Well, when these people arrive, we can incorporate that into the agenda.

Amanda, if you'd probably be good to ask our lady to send them in.

I know they are.

Okay, that brings us to the VDOT report.

So I know that's a song.

We're just asking to reduce it to 35.

Okay, I thought the request was to extend to 25.

Well, I think if we just do the whole thing, 35 would make a lot more sense than anything.

The other thing is to have some signage about the school bus stop, which is one of the problems.

Because I think I was counting.

It's at the intersection of Lakeland.

So really, see if we can establish a 35 beyond the 25?

So I think it needs to be in their minds.

You got to the geometry, alignment of the run, control, pretty much control the speed.

When you're trying to get from point A to point B.

And doing the 35 with a snow sign, leaving the 25 miles an hour.

National Social Security, we put up a bunch of those when we did that last study.

Well they are up and it would have really helped if they would have taken care of the problem.

Mr. Martin?

Mr. Harvey?

Okay.

Just talked about that much so we're good.

How are things going down in Wood's Mill?

The safest way to do it would have been to go there.

They're not looking forward to having the construction completed on the bridge because they know that it'll be open season on Route 6 again.

DMV would be the ones that issue those exceptions.

I just know that people come up with suggestions and I don't have any point of reference in terms of seeing if we can do them or not.

That would be a hardship.

There's no truck accident over there.

They're going to have a hardship for the trucking.

But I mean, they actually, I've seen a lot of times where they actually slow the traffic by running 55.

It just depends on, you know,

My gas comes in that way every time.

But typically those vehicles will get a permit from the DMV to do that.

The long trucks.

Mr. Reed, why not make a comment about that?

We had public comments earlier in this discussion.

I don't, I don't think that signage has been put, been upgraded, so I, I will follow up on that.

So maybe you and I, you can help me understand the logic behind that 15, 20 foot stretch that has a stop sign.

There's no payment mortgage there, and really to fix that, you would need some payment mortgage and to reduce the signage.

That's not always been one right there.

All we need to do is cut off that one section right in front of the store and make them all come straight and make a 90.

It's still 45?

Then we can go on with the Regional Jail Renovation and Capacity Study presentation.

Superintendent Martin Coomer, Colonel Coomer is here from the Regional Jail Authority and then Tony Bell from Mosley Architects is working with Regional Jail on a study pertaining to renovation of the Regional Jail

David Gotz at this point was over.

So we've already introduced ourselves, so we don't need to go through that again.

Tony Gilderoy, and here Tony Gilderoy, you can talk about the schedule.

So when you come to the facility, you could start you off on a good first net

Where do we go from here?

And it's important to say that even if the needs assessment anticipates an increasing population, it doesn't necessarily always dictate into an increased rate of capacity.

What do I mean by that?

So although we may not add any weighted capacity, one of the improvements to the facility may be the creation of a day reporting center to enable those citizens who meet the criteria to then go and do that.

I thought what they normally do is reverse of that.

What's that?

That they spend the night at the jail and then go out and work and stuff during the day.

Because like you said, it could be workforce, work release programs, and those other kinds of alternatives.

Do they still do that?

They've turned it

We've always had a work lease program.

It's actually reduced our operating costs quite significantly to the state of Charleston County and the state of Charlottesville County.

So it's an effective program, but work lease was being promoted too.

We continue moving through the process.

And so we're welcome to communicate with the board as much as Steve requests.

I can do it in 30 minutes.

I have heard from people who I respect their opinion that your jail is the most humane in the state of Virginia.

Thank you for the presentation, sir.

Somebody else is going to want that.

We do.

and Dark Hollow and in those areas they have a project down from Shipman over towards Schuyler.

Some of those would be places that would be a little further down the line.

If we look at this, if you have any additional funds and are willing to commit them, we will pay for the extra fold.

We have to change out those areas and get them all done next year.

So that's my offer.

So thank you Gary so much for again helping pioneer our way through Nelson and of course your support staff here today and I think generally speaking that we were very much interested in seeing you know a couple years shaved off relatively speaking for most people you know I guess obviously the question that we always have is you know they see the fiber sitting in front of their house and drives them nuts you know installations yeah right all right so um

So moving ahead of that a little bit is another advantage to the site.

You said that all of the CARES projects are all complete.

Main Road, and we connected a number of folks on Shady Lane, but we had to actually get permits to go underground across because we had some underground connections and things.

And that held us up.

I'll get with you.

When you say we, you actually do the work or you subcontract the work or who's doing the work?

Their name is Connecton and they're one of the larger fiber designers.

So the co-op isn't actually doing the work.

It probably won't need one.

I would much more like to give you funds from our contingency funds or from general revenue, because it's much more likely you'll get that money, you will get that money, and then that money that is within the CARES Act could be directed to the schools, to the people,

But it can come from anywhere.

I mean, are you giving us like a three, four or five month window to do this or is it something that has to be done immediately to get this?

Does that make sense?

Yeah, but I still want to know from you, what are the time frame requirements?

If you wait until mid next year, again, you're going to be in.

Everybody's going to be getting that money in.

Yeah, that's helpful.

I think we could find the money, you know.

We may have more before then.

Thank you.

Second.

OK. Any further discussion before we bring it up for a vote?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

That would be helpful as we discussed with our constituents.

I'm going to admit to you today that Daniel will provide you

Once a month would be great.

If we get a call and they say we got stuff right outside the door and we're not getting the service, who should they call and find out when it's coming?

But yes, ultimately they can call me and there's a lot of people in Nelson County who know my phone number.

Now, December 31st, 2022, does that mean that someone in North Fork is going to be streaming Netflix for New Year's Eve?

I'm trying to hit that, but yes.

That's what I'm asking.

We'll make sure we have them.

Thank you, sir.

What's the role of broadband authority these days in terms of moving forward?

So I imagine a year and then we can transfer the rest over to the county.

Okay, something else to look forward to.

We only meet a couple times so we ain't too worried.

First item is the Fleetwood Community Center funding request.

We haven't reached out to them for any more information.

I think you can decide that.

make the money available

But I wouldn't want to hinder your goal of raising the other 50 and being able to leverage this in your fundraising efforts.

And then that way we can save the roof and stop the deterioration of the entire, which is hugely important.

I don't want to complicate this,

So the way the Nelson County Community Fund framed it was quarterly you could submit how many funds you have raised and then that amount would be matched.

And just, I understand that you want to do it in a way that the community doesn't think that you've gotten a bunch of money.

And we revisit the subject after the 12 months.

Well, the things that need to be done right away and the roof being one of them,

What kinds of ways we can work together?

But we can have the money available so that you can get this roof done as soon as you can.

Mr. Chairman, I mean, Mr. Carter.

Yes, it strengthens the community, strengthens our county.

Yes, I move that we allocate the $50,000 in matching funds for the Fleetwood Community Center earmarked for repairing the roof and other repairs needed.

Do you mind moving the mansion?

You can make the motion and we can have more discussion if we need to.

Second.

Mr. Harvey, did you want to?

We're going to give them that money and

And I understand and appreciate you not wanting to tie their money up, but I think it's missing a potential opportunity to double their money.

I think we can give some level of assurance just that in the event that they need to make their repair on that roof in three months that we'd be amicable to adjusting.

I'm sure that's something that Candy and Steve could work on and

Well, that's why I'm trying to get done now so that they, when they get ready, that they are ready to go.

Okay, we can take a vote.

Great.

We do have some expertise in bidding.

We do have someone who's interested in sponsoring a master plan and I spoke with David about those that you all have used for repairing roots in South Chicago County and reaching out to them to see if they can

And it may be easy for the county to look to bed for you.

I would just suggest we give them, provide the names of folks we can ask them in.

I mean, do they have a relationship between any kind of working relationship or availability?

I'm not sure we've been using the fields there at Fleetwood, but certainly what you want to.

Yeah, there's a lot of rocks sliding on that field.

Next we have the National Opioid Settlement Resolution.

Better than not just presented afterwards.

Any questions for Mr. Carter?

Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve resolutions R 2021-61 and R 2021-62 as presented.

Second.

Discussion?

Thank you.

And now, this is the Nelson County Public Schools Appropriations Report.

None of this new renovation or new building whatever is involved in any of the other areas but the roof is going to be or the... Do you have a question again?

I just want to make sure that the route that we want to do is not involved in any of this new stuff so that we don't go in and redo the routes and then go in and do something on top of it.

I think that what Mr. Carter was saying is that as we plan forward a possibility of meeting with and talking further in December is to look at how could this roof and brick project become part of a larger project.

And depending on how it can be done, the roof and the brick work could be there, but it may have to be phased in for input that Mr. Irvin provided us earlier today.

Yes, because part of our challenge is with the $2 million that we want to give to the project and the timeline on that and the stipulation and restrictions to how that $2 million is used, which is what Mr. Carter is speaking to.

And that's something I think we need to do and do it immediately.

Their timeline doesn't say it will be built in six months.

I mean, it's a dangerous situation.

Well, even if you build and that's an inside addition, it's still got to be done.

Do one, two, three projects at once.

Does the timeline, if we follow staff advice on this, does the timeline, is it detrimental to you in any way, or is that?

And this allows you to go ahead and get started.

The motion stands amended.

I amend my second.

Just as a side note to keep it in perspective, every year that that project

Redistricting update and uh Almost.

I see you.

While Grace is doing that, we're going to show the board a timeline for this redistricting and how it sort of plays out.

Can we adjust a little bit?

Zoom in.

Can we focus on a little bit?

Rachel, can you zoom in?

Yeah, right here.

maybe a little bit back and forth in here and I'll explore of course but the staff is ready

Of course, you can put the 30-day comment period with a public hearing, with a charter, etc.

So subject to questions.

Do we want to show the map?

In the meeting with Mr. Rutherford and Russia Reed, we agreed to which involves moving 120 citizens in the Woodsville South Division area from the Central District into the East District.

So that's a solid boundary.

Where does that happen?

There shouldn't be any changes.

No, you lost 250 people, but you didn't leave the percentage threshold.

If the people move from your district, I always wonder where it's at.

We only moved, the only changes we made to the election district boundaries this year was the one change, kind of the Davis Creek to

Well, not Davis Creek.

Well, how do I decrease the number of those people?

So you decreased in your overall number, but see, we have a 5% variance at each break.

The boundary didn't change anything for you.

Are you talking about change from 2011?

All right.

Yeah, and you know, just like Mr. Rutherford pointed out, we are within the 5% or less deviation required for the districts to conform.

Mr. Chairman, I move that we pass the redistricting update, R2021-63, as presented by staff.

Okay, any discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Brown?

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Okay.

The Afton Mountain Renaissance Project letters.

Project in Nellysford, so that everyone knows who picked the same name twice on the same road.

We can take questions, especially the Master Plan initiative by Augusta County to look at the top area of Afton Mountain, particularly that east side where the hotel facilities

So they actually did meet with Delaney.

Excuse me.

Were they, you know, were they, they're kind of interested?

As I said, they are willing to, for the study to go for, if it's, the funding's approved, but they're not committed to anything.

That's a start.

We weren't sure if we should just go ahead and send the letter on behalf of the county without the board's review and endorsement.

Questions?

Okay.

We can just do consensus, Mr. Reed.

General consent here?

Yeah, that's fine.

Is there any objection to having consensus?

No.

It's time for your report.

So we were six years later and never really completed the study.

Put pressure on them and the board comes up and helps step in some and that's less than we have to fill in the gap.

If we did it in-house, I think it would be difficult to complete it timely and probably more arbitrary.

I'm curious, does the TJPDC legislative agenda include anything along these lines?

That's the law.

If we control the avenue, we're not going to ask anybody but us, but that's where the question comes up.

They're subject to the state's classification system.

A lot of these employees have made advancements and stuff and not see compensation.

It just depends on how it's classified and what the salary range is.

So what action do we need to authorize you to begin the salary and pay scale?

Well, if the board is open to this and you're willing to allow the staff to recruit a consultant to do this, we would issue requests for proposals, interview with bonding firms, contract with them, and move forward with the study.

So if we were to have a study and then we have results from the study, what are the benefits for us in terms of what we would be accomplishing from the results of that study?

for implementation.

I believe we could go on and do some adjusting and probably accomplish the same thing instead of having cleverly do the whole thing.

We don't have a lot of offices, but we have some.

It just helps gives you a concrete, this is what the region's doing, and then we can adjust it from there.

Yeah, or do something or do that.

But do you think there's time value in this?

I think it pertains to if the board has definite concern about the compensation levels of those employees.

I don't think it is an immediate problem, but it doesn't need to be a problem at all.

We understand that.

Well, we're not on the verge of losing a bunch of employees because of our pay scape.

That sounds good to me.

I wish there was a way that somehow, and the inability to find qualified candidates to fill the vacancy, but I wish there was a way we could

Staffing is difficult for everybody.

We certainly wouldn't have any objection to that, of course.

They're already working overtime.

Maybe with a sense of extra staff down there.

Oh, okay.

And for these people, opportunities to get a job.

And the person that's hired lives in Nelson County.

It doesn't always make up for that, but right.

So let's circulate the ladder and then bring it back in December with some inquiries.

Let's see what we can do to help out that office in the short term.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

If the board has any of your calendars available then.

We want to do it on a Tuesday?

I'd rather do it on a Tuesday than a Thursday.

7th or the 9th.

I'm voting.

I'm flexible in both days.

I can do either one.

I am too.

Is there some discussion about having someone from the schools there as well?

Don't we have something Thursday?

Thursday what?

It's the holidays.

So we're looking at December 7th.

We just put a call out if that's okay.

Morning and afternoon?

Probably.

Okay.

We have lunch and everything for the board.

The seventh, sure, we don't know the, okay, I'll just put a whole date.

Yes.

Okay.

We are at board reports.

That was the purpose of the retreat as we talked about it at that time.

Can we make comments on some of these issues?

Board Reports, Mr. Barton?

that she was interested in is what's the process of... We have to do that in appointments.

Okay.

That's it.

Okay.

So, and Steve might have, what?

Right.

At some point, the board, they sit down and discuss their stuff and decide

At this time I would say call up Dean if you got a chance and talk with him a little bit and he'll go through some of those details.

They're just worried.

So, beyond touching some of that, as it relates to the Water Authority, I believe that for Ernie, he's got something and that's all I got for the moment I can think of.

Now we have appointments.

This is where you make the motion for Claudia to get on the social services.

Thank you.

Agreed.

Mr. Chairman, point of order, Mr. Chairman.

Yes, we haven't gotten that far yet.

We need to appoint.

Make your motion for Claudia.

Claudia Van Tova.

Motion.

Any discussion?

Yes.

Directives, real part?

But at this time, I just don't see much.

I think it's really out of order to do a directive when we have a public hearing scheduled for this evening.

We can also remove the public hearing.

We will take it up.

That's fine.

I have a question.

You know, I would post a cigarette tax because it's a progressive tax, but that doesn't stop us from being able to participate in some other sort of taxes.

Correct.

So if there's no other business, we can move into closed session.

I think we have enough time.

It is after four o'clock.

It's hard to be meeting you.

Okay, so we'll start with Barbara Larson.

Thank you very much.

Phillip Purvis.

I just want to talk about the decision to access

General public comments?

You can read them as you count sheep.

And I'm open to any questions if you have them.

I can't tell you what's happened most recently.

It's probably one of the biggest ones in the county.

We would love to see them at Celia X, believe me.

They're very happy where they are.

I hope I didn't over my three minutes.

You got five.

You all are very kind.

Afton and Dylan, please tell us about it.

If you have any questions for me, of course I'm available, and the app panel has presentations.

Mr. Trent, do you have a presentation?

I have the slides and we need to give you a little more context for those not familiar.

Let's see.

And then maybe there was a small pond there we would leave

I'm sorry, what was your Christmas tree on the back?

This is relative to the back of the property, then ideally you'd have a Christmas tree, this is a good land for here, and down this slope between the apartments of Sycamore and the creek there.

Okay.

I'm trying to answer any questions that you have.

The first person on my list is Terry Baum.

So I'm not sure why you would need to change the zoning.

Anne Landry.

Okay.