Planning Commission Worksession   4/10/2025

I'm coming back in right now.

I can't hear you through the mics though.

Excellente.

That's a good sound.

I got nothing.

I unmuted the mic.

Oh, there we're good.

Ellis Quarles, he's such a miser, he's the worst not ever won.

It's a family joke.

Look at all those people smiling.

He always wants to... What is this?

I don't know.

Somebody, George, and he's saying... Oh, let me look.

All right, well, are you substantially involved in that effort?

I'm going to go ahead and get us started.

We have him on board.

Very good.

You know what's happening?

So, I guess if you have a forest and don't cut trees down, you're superculturist and you fall away.

I mean, is that what it ends in?

All right, welcome to the April work session for Louisa County Planning Commission.

We will begin now and we're going to begin the order of business with focus area plans.

Good evening, Chairman and members of the Commission.

We made good progress in the last meeting talking about the focus areas.

There was two bits of language that was requested to be added to all of the focus areas.

Mr. Quarles, are you present with us?

I am.

Very good.

So the first bit of language we added to design characters was promote shared driveways and interpersonal connectivity for commercial industrial uses.

That was the request to be added to all of the focus areas, that second part of the sentence.

And then you also have at the bottom, future development near the interstate should contribute towards transportation solutions.

So obviously, not all the growth areas are located near interstate.

So if you go through your packet, some of them called out specific names.

So for example, if we scroll on down to the Ferncliff growth area.

Actually, it's not a good example.

Let's go down to

Future development near route 15, route 33 in Clarkner Road should contribute toward transportation solutions.

So what I did is pulled out the main routes that go through those growth areas and called them out by name.

But obviously, the goal of that sentence would be is if you are a new development and you are going to have transportation impact, then you should contribute towards a solution of that during your process.

And one of the reasons we deferred this item to another work session was to give an opportunity for Commissioner Quarles and Commissioner Goodwin to participate, especially since Commissioner Quarles shares a growth area with the Green Springs District.

All those things are in that area.

There we go.

I can't see the screen.

So I'll visually depict it.

So obviously both Commissioner Dickerson and Commissioner Quarles are well aware that Route 15 pretty much divides their election districts.

And then on the left side of 15, where you have the Best Western IHOP 711 and other things, you have a large pocket of low density residential designation for the future land use map for 2040.

On the right hand side you have a majority of pink for mixed use.

So everything in the Walmart distribution center area, Walmart, other side of the road going down to 250 and then going down to 250 is a strip of mixed use.

that there actually are two industrial parks that are in this area, but they have the designation mixed-use and not the designation industrial, which you would think that they would have.

And there's also some residential parcels that have designation of mixed-use as well.

And so going through the

design criteria, a lot of the things we had in there were, again, future development near interstate should contribute towards transportation solutions, large and regionally sized businesses should mitigate their impact to fire and EMS, sheriff's schools and general services, which is usually handled by a public facilities review of a rezoning or a conditional use permit.

We should be promoting agricultural and small neighborhood scale business because there are a lot of farms not only in the Route 15 corridor where the Green Springs Historic District is, but there are a lot of farms on Route 250 heading towards Ferncliff.

Walking networks should be established in the area.

Believe it or not, if you park in the Walmart shopping center, you're playing Frogger to walk to Lowe's because there is not a crosswalk.

You're also playing Frogger to go across the street to main Asia or a cell phone store or anything on the other side.

So that ends up you having an individual getting in a car from Walmart and driving to several other points within that traffic intersection.

adding on to transportation congestion issues.

So one of the reasons that walking networks should be established is more for the future development and making sure that if you park in one place you can perhaps walk to another store in the same parking lot.

Avoid supporting commercial strip development.

That goes without saying.

Solar development should be encouraged on parking lots and rooftops of commercial industrial structures to preserve agricultural integrity.

There isn't a lot of agricultural within this growth area but there is a lot of impervious surface that perhaps solar could co-locate on.

if that was a project that was coming before us for review.

And then looking for small mixed use commercial development and kind of promoting a small town mixed use development.

So a lot of the planning and developments we've seen come through Zions Crossroads, our apartments and townhomes and single family and commercial all kind of spread out, but not usually buildings that mix those uses together.

such as commercial on the first floor, residential on the second, some parallel parking in there to allow for workshop live in one area and so that's the gear as opposed to separating out the uses perhaps when we're future planning developments and resort developments so we ask for a combination of uses and get the most use within the acreage that we have.

I guess the best bang for your buck, right?

And so that's just going, as you can tell from the last meeting, we have a lot of character items within here because we have a lot of growth in this area.

Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Goodman.

Tom, you and I have had several discussions about this.

I'm going back to the general transportation introduction.

There are a couple of topics that we have discussed that I'd like for the Commission and staff to consider.

One is that we talked about increased setbacks in the growth areas, in these focus areas.

That's for two reasons, to enhance traffic flow, number one, cut down on distractions, and also to allow for future road growth requirements.

The other thing that we discussed is coordinated landscape plans so that we don't go from one landscape layout to the next one is

replica of the Sierra Desert because it's a Mexican restaurant.

There's no flow of landscape plans through the area, through the main roads.

Show the VDOT plans where they exist.

I know they exist for the New Bridge area, Route 208, Lake Anna.

We ought to show that for the readers' interest so that they're thinking about coming here.

They know that they're going to be asked to respect that in case we can get it funded one day.

And then the other one we talked about was enhanced architectural.

standards that every business has an array from the simple cinder block up to the brick façade and we want to make the entrances into the county.

I'm going back to the gateway concepts in these areas.

We want to make the entrances

as nice as we possibly can.

So I'd like to keep that on the agenda as we go through these.

Commissioner Goodwin, you bring a good point.

I want to hit a couple of existing code sections that address that, but we will talk generally about the existing code sections because perhaps we want to add more unique things to different focus areas, right?

So if you are designated mixed-use pink or industrial gray, your front setback

Typically it's going to be, if you weren't designated that 100 feet from route 15 or 250 or the major roads, you actually have a decreased setback as part of the growth areas when it was passed in February of 2021 where it's only a 50 foot setback.

So we would have to change the code section 86-115 and 116, don't quote me, on like

on going back from 50 to perhaps 80 or 100.

But we did we did allow buildings to be closer to the road in February of 2021 with that designation.

There are pursuant to 86-124 and 123 in the growth area architectural standards in these areas and landscaping standards

And as you mentioned, the transportation study, this particular growth area is the only one that has a recent transportation study available, which I put into the focus area, as you can see on your screen.

And it was a joint through the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission.

It was done in 2022.

It was called the Zions Crossroads Small Area Study Map Transportation Plan.

It was a joint plan between Flavana and Louisa County and the TJPDC.

and it called for things such as a roundabout of 250 and 15 which we constantly apply for in smart scale but haven't gotten funded.

We did attempt to apply for a bow tie in the years past but we haven't brought that idea back.

We also, and there's also in this plan an idea for

Future development having off streets as opposed to everybody using route 15 that the future development start having hammerheads to connect to each other as they develop out So that you can get into the perhaps I just say the Walmart shopping center because everybody knows where that is That you could actually have more than one way out I mean, there's two ways out on 15, but you can't turn left on 15 when you're going down towards the Dollar Tree

So there's really only one way to go left and that's at the main light.

There are already some mechanisms for architecture renderings, landscaping.

This is the only focus area that has a recently updated transportation study.

I assume it's from an earlier transportation study, but there is a set of plans for the Lake Anna 208 area that I am very adamant about protecting that land.

I don't know when we'll get it funded.

But if we start building within those right-of-ways to straighten those curves, we'll never get it funded.

As soon as you put real estate...

I think that

So we, I did add the sentence into the lake antigrowth area, the future development along route 522 and 208 should contribute towards transportation solutions.

We could add on to that sentence if you want if you think that's too broad.

The challenge we have though is again if you're designated pink or gray on the map you're gonna have a 50-foot setback to one of those two roads as opposed to the standard 100.

I would like to see that plan, some smaller version of it, if it's not included in this section.

I'd like to see it included as part of the appendix and referred to in this section so people can see what we're talking about.

If they want details, they can come in and look at it, but at least enough to give them an idea that we have an intent to protect.

that area because it is a goal one day to get those roads straightened.

We're still having the accidents.

We can reach, Linda and I can reach out to VDOT and see if they're... With respect to setbacks.

I know that this was maybe two years ago, Josh was heading up to the department then and we showed a video of Parham Road between Route 1 and Route 33 Staplesville.

If you drive down, most of the members that were here remember that, if you drive down that road you have no idea

that there's a J. Sargent Reynolds over there that there's a Ferguson Plumbing and then we did a fly up and a look down and you could see all the commercial businesses were on Perrin Road but when you were on the road you saw nothing and it did not impede traffic and that was one of the goals we wanted to do with these gateways coming into the county where we encouraged growth but it's got to be out of the way enough so that when you come in

You have a welcoming view of Louisa County, the county you're coming into and not another commercial strip.

So I'd like to pursue that as well and not let that fall off the table.

So currently, parking is allowed in setbacks, pretty much up to the property line.

I know that.

The growth area is a calculation of trees and shrubs.

There is not a requirement for a certain width of vegetation between the right-of-way line and the front, and so really it would require

We seem to have kind of forgotten it, and I haven't.

I want to see us get back into the discussion on that.

I mean, we even talked about getting videos and some of the verbiage from Hilton Head.

When you drive into that, I know we're not Hilton Head, but the way they manage completely

The changing of the setbacks, I don't agree with.

I don't see where that helps.

I think that it's going to hinder businesses.

When you're talking about parking lots and everything else being included in the setbacks, with respect to Commissioner Goodwin,

You know, we don't have a Parham Road situation.

We have a situation at Zion where we have businesses there and businesses that are slated to come.

And I think if we put those setbacks in place, we may limit the possibilities there.

I don't think that, I think we have

Setbacks that are set up now as far as in the growth areas, and I think we should probably leave them where they are, especially when you're including parking lots, especially for the sign crossroads area.

Maybe that works at the lake or that district, but it would hinder things at sign crossroads.

No, that's the only thing, I don't know if you could hear me, it kind of delayed for a second after.

We heard you clearly.

Okay, alright.

I just want to double check on Zahn's Crossroads.

Chair.

Just one observation.

When you look at the Shannon Hill focus area plan, we have a Shannon Hill industrial park, but everything's labeled Shannon Hill Regional Business Park.

The formal name is Shannon Hill Regional Business Park.

I can obviously make that correction for you.

Excellent.

Thank you.

No problem.

Anyone else?

I believe the next steps would be for us to, if you would like to direct staff to inform county administration that you believe that this is ready for the board of supervisors to perhaps take a look at or do a work session on, or perhaps have a committee to review, that if you'd like to put it through to the board of supervisors level, just let us know.

All right.

Mr. Goodwin.

I have ideas of, as Mr. Englund said, we're going to have to go to several sections in the code and amend them if the commission as a whole agrees.

I'd like to see us finish out on those four or five topics that I brought out to see what the sense of the board is, to discuss it, and then when we take it, it goes as a package so that the board knows what they're voting on, not, well, here's a little piece of it and here's another piece of it.

So I suppose then at the next commission meeting, if possible, if we could get all of these pieces tied together so that we could have a more thorough discussion where we want to see it put.

I again offer my time to come up and sit down with, I've talked with Tom and I've talked with

We haven't gotten it done, but again, final time and I'm here.

I'm retired.

I know you all are not.

I respect the fact that you have other jobs to do in your position.

and anybody else that wants to be a part of that, I'm fine with that.

I don't want to work behind a curtain, but I want to address the issues to see what it is we really would like to see in these five entrance points.

I'll be honest with you, and with respect to Commissioner Quarles, Zion's Crossroads is too far gone to put anything into place now.

You're only affecting a couple of things and most of those are on the south side of 64.

The rest of it is already there.

But we've heard citizens input about and I'll take some of the more damning descriptions.

It looks like a truck stop.

and those types of things because we didn't get ahead of it.

We didn't describe what we wanted before we got attracted to the business.

Commissioner Quarles, yes, we want business and I think businesses will come here under our terms if we've set them there.

But if we don't have terms, we're going to end up with whatever they want.

They're going to come in, we're going to see the dollar sign.

And that's not what planning is all about in my mind.

So just for a point of clarification, do we feel like we're okay with the focus areas as we have them drafted now?

We want to create a memo that goes with the focus areas to talk about decreasing the setbacks, having a minimum landscape requirement, making sure parking is not in the front.

Mr.

Chair.

Mr. Goodwin.

I think we need to have a reference in the general, the introductory section.

Just like we have references there now as bullets.

And then we're going to have to go through the code with different places where that's covered.

and try to decide as a group what we, are we satisfied with what we got?

Do we want to see something different?

And we're going to have to look at each one of those code sections and say, okay, if the setback's 10 feet and we want it to be 200 feet, then we can propose a change.

Mr.

I listened to Mr. Goodwin's comments, Commissioner Goodwin's comments.

I think if you look at all the new growth, anything that's grown or been produced since the truck stop, I mean the truck stop was years ago, so I mean that was there long before the Lowe's and the Walmart and everything like that, but I think if you look at those

The model for those things, I don't think that, in respect to what Mr. Goodwin said, it doesn't look like a truck stop.

The new things that are there were under the old code of 50 feet, and I don't think that it looks horrible.

I don't think that you can do better than that.

When you talk about the gas stations and the truck stops there, they were there long before all this other growth.

So I don't understand why we would want to change, you know, when you say it's too far gone, well, I don't know how you're going to get rid of a truck stop that's been there for years.

How are you going to get rid of gas stations that have been there for years?

But when you talk about the things that have come since then, I think that we have a plan.

It's not like we weren't operating with it without a plan.

I think that the designation now is 50 feet, and you want to move it to 100 feet, including parking, I don't think that makes any sense.

I would say I think that's probably a part of the discussion we need to have in each of the areas, not just Zion.

Zion Crossroads, maybe it's not prudent to do that there, but for each of the other areas we need to have some discussion.

I do agree with the

Route 208 from New Bridge to Whereas Crossroads, because of the transportation opportunity there, we ought to limit the amount of

We ought to increase the setback to limit the amount of encroachment on the setback we'd have so there's opportunity for transportation fixes in the future.

So I think there are different of these

possible improvements.

I mean, when you're talking about, I think you're talking about 208, I think that that would probably fall under intimate domain, wouldn't it?

Well, I'm sure there's an eminent domain piece if you have to come in and condemn real estate to build a road.

But if you've put in a requirement that you can't build less than 100 feet from the road, then all you're doing is condemning real estate.

You're not dealing with structures and parking and all that sort of thing is what I'm saying.

When you negotiate the cost of taking that structure, whether it's a supermarket or whatever, it doesn't come free just because you use the imminent domain.

Right, so I think if you all, if Mr. Quarles, you and Mr. Goodwin are in agreement, then what we do is we get Mr. Eglin to produce all of the

That was my exact thought.

Go ahead Commissioner Quarles.

So code sections that come to mind are 86-115 which is parcels that are outside of a growth area that are along certain corridors such as 208-15 that are specifically marked 100 feet.

86-116 which is the growth area that allows it to go down to 50.

86-123 which is landscape standards within the growth area.

and then I can get with Linda about any other code sections.

Very good.

Last meeting, I believe you agreed with me that we would request the number of lots in the low density residential areas in these growth areas.

Do we have that information?

Kersey, I thought you weren't going to ask.

You can always count on me coming back.

So we work with our GIS coordinator, Mathias Smith, to pull some information.

And of course, you know, he was talking to me.

He asked after this meeting if there is a way that you all wanted something visually represented and I need to get some information so that you could create a map to give you a visual representation.

So he ran some numbers based off 27,000 parcels in the county and he calculated that of the 27,000 parcels there are 1,356 parcels that are 1.5 acres or less with road frontage.

We know the minimum lot size for constructing a home is 1.5 acres.

He came up with 1,356 parcels that are 1.5 acres or less with road frontage that could possibly be divided because they have frontage.

There are 412 parcels that are 1.5 acres or less with road frontage that is vacant.

currently, which means it doesn't have an address on it at this time.

Let's see if I have any other information on here.

And again, this information excludes the towns, parcel of the zone, commercial, industrial, other things of that nature.

And so with kind of that basic information,

Obviously tonight I could pull up on the GIS map.

We could zoom down and see all the green stars and they indicate all the places that an address exists.

Now it doesn't mean that everywhere has an existing home or building, but it's a pretty good visual indicator that we could see what's going on around that growth area.

But of course we're happy to create a map

If you're looking for specific data such as I want to know how many parcels are 1.5 acres or greater that are zoned agricultural residential within around the growth area.

We could create a visual representation for you but I kind of want to throw a few numbers at you and see what it is you're really looking for.

I think it certainly would be helpful to have that visual.

I don't know whether the other commissioners are interested or not.

So what would you be looking for a certain acreage?

Reasonable distance within the growth area.

I mean, we're already discussing that we're growing too fast.

And maybe we want to reduce that residential portion.

Maybe we already have enough lots.

So does the county want to encourage more growth in these growth areas of a residential nature?

I'm not sure.

I'm going to drill down a little further because that's why I'm glad we're having this conversation and I just want to throw a couple figures out is that each group, not all the growth areas, but a lot of them have low density residential designation in them.

Doesn't mean that all the parcels are residential, doesn't mean they're not all agricultural, and it doesn't mean they all don't have something on it.

We could pull, and it sounds like you might want us to, in every growth area that has the designation low density residential, pull

How many parcels are zoned agricultural and residential?

We could drill down even further and go, how many are 1.5 acre or more?

So it's just a matter, we could do a meat cleaver, I could drill on down, right?

And so would that help if we start with a map of all of the yellowish orange color, low density residential, how many parcels is that?

How many are 1.5 acres?

I want to take a few notes.

All right, so that could be one map.

We could also create a map for mixed-use and industrial the same way.

I don't know, but I don't think that's really the topic of the conversation.

I don't think the question is how much industrial and commercial do we have in each growth area because you can easily

I will talk to Matthias about first calculating how many parcels in a growth area, each growth area, and then how many of those are designated agricultural and residential.

and then drilling down on those a little further of how many of those are developed if we can pull that number and then that'll leave us how many undeveloped parcels we have and then if he has the time we'll see if he can also give us which of those are 1.5 acres with road frontage.

I certainly appreciate your effort.

Any other questions from the Planning Commission on the focus area plans?

Very well.

Thank you, Mr. Eglin, for your work on that.

So next up, we have ordinance draft amendments.

And what I would like to do at the beginning here and talking about ordinance draft amendments is go into executive session so we can get a response from Miss Smith on some questions we'd asked.

Uh-oh.

Well, can you hear me now?

Tom?

Hello.

Can you hear me?

We can hear you.

Very good.

I will now pull members to certify to the best of your knowledge only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and as identified in the motion for which the closed meeting was convened were discussed and considered by the board.

If any member believes that the, I'm sorry, the commission, if any member believes the commission varied from the purposes stated for the closed meeting, please state so and the reason prior to casting a vote.

No.

Mr. Painting.

No.

No.

Mr. Kersey.

No.

Mr. Quarles.

No.

And Mr. Disosway.

No.

Thank you.

So at the last meeting we briefly went through the the items that we had been working on and we're going to bring for further discussion at this meeting and in the memo I'm just going to run through those again really quickly we have amendments to several definitions

Two of those emergency shelter and religious assembly, the Planning Commission has received

of email correspondence from some individuals who would like to have further amendment to those definitions and I believe you all and we can go through that we've got update to the short-term rental of a dwelling which basically corrects the effective date of the original ordinance and to add the resort development zoning district

the yard regulations for the A2 zoning district, remove the increased setback for other permitted structures greater than 50 feet in height, amend provisions for subdivisions in the A2 zoning district.

And this is just an, you know, this is something that staff has been dealing with regarding the three bonus density lots for affordable housing purposes.

subdivision platte requirements and standards, we were

included language to require submittal of a performance agreement for new subdivisions that require completion of those improvements, specifically road improvements within a set time language added that clarifies the county has no obligation to install or maintain any of those improvements.

as part of the subdivision development based on language in the state code, permits a maximum of two private lanes to be used in a subdivision and requires that the guarantee posted with the county is renewed and reviewed every 24 months to ensure sufficient funds remain in place.

Language has been added for plat approvals that the private road disclosure language be included on all subdivision plats with new internal roads that the roads are private until they have been accepted into the state system and they will include a note that an insurance permit must be obtained from VDOT for access to each lot shown on the subdivision plat.

Under the Lake Anna shoreline use and design standards

We've included language that clarifies that dry hydrants and restroom facilities will only be required in common areas if they are required by the Department of Fire and EMS and the Virginia Department of Health respectively for those facilities.

and if those facilities are required, the location will be coordinated with Dominion Energy.

There are proposed changes to the telecommunications regulations that clarifies that generators may be located on site, but only operated during power outages or testing.

There's also additional information that I believe you have in a handout email as recommendation from the telecommunications consultant of additional language that they feel our ordinance needs to help with the review process of telecommunications facilities.

Sign regulations.

In your package, there is there's an original proposal, there's an alternative proposal, and we handed out an alternative number two, because we have, we're mostly dealing with electronic or electric message signs and the intensity of the lighting.

And as we are doing more research, we're trying to come up with the best language that is the easiest to enforce

and to make the ordinance better as far as electronic message signs are concerned.

And then we include it in your package a copy of the current interim road maintenance agreement that is used and a draft performance agreement.

to be used for subdivision development that would require the improvements to be completed in a certain period of time and the developer would sign that performance agreement as part of the subdivision process.

It's on the page one, the changes to the division parcel, and that we talked about last time, that is 300 feet before is crossed through.

It's not 4300 feet like that.

Yeah.

And so we now have a division parcel that the residue parcel has five acres or more or a minimum of 300 feet of existing state road frontage.

It doesn't have to have both to be considered a residue parcel for emergency shelter.

The proposed definition is there in front of you and the language that we have received

Comments on through the Planning Commission has received comments on through email would be to that a religious assembly may operate an emergency shelter for the duration of a state or locally declared state of emergency.

The additional language states or to provide hypothermia shelter from November through March without benefit of a conditional use permit.

So that's

Your question for staff on this, or at least a comment, observation.

Spent quite a bit of time in the state code.

And I believe that between the current ordinance, the proposed ordinance, the community interest, we have confused issues.

In the state code, there is an emergency shelter, and they also refer to a homeless shelter.

In the language here and in some of the correspondence that I have received, I think it crosses the line into homeless shelter, which in this section of the code, we are talking about emergency shelter.

Now, according to the Code of Virginia, only the governor in a statewide event or local government

in a local event can declare a state of emergency and activate an emergency shelter that's in the code.

Now, the code is less clear on requirements for a homeless shelter.

But on a homeless shelter, there is no reference to temperatures.

Emergency shelter, yes.

So I think

And yes, a religious assembly can be part of an emergency response.

But they have to be part of the county's emergency management plan.

It's not a

A last minute decision we want to open the doors because that plan is submitted to Richmond.

It's maintained by the Department of Emergency Services in a database.

that talks about capacity, points of contact, all of that sort of stuff.

So whether it's a state or local emergency, they know how to reach out and activate.

But it has to be activated by the governor or local government.

I think, and Mr.

Chair, I'm making this to the commission, I think we need to be really clear

on whether we are talking about an emergency shelter or a homeless shelter because the verbiage that I'm seeing mixes the two.

I will add that with respect to the limit of 40 degrees

The three winter months in this part of Virginia average 32, 34, and 37 degrees.

So if you take the difference between 32 and 40 and 34, it's going to be well over

50% of the nights that would qualify.

And I've looked at other localities.

They set that breaking point at 32 degrees.

Not all of them, but

Certainly lower than 40, just because that is what you get this time of the year.

But again, if we're talking about a homeless shelter, it has nothing to do with temperature.

It has to do with the homeless population and how you want to help manage that.

It does.

I'm hoping that Chris is going to be around.

This was initiated through administration so we will make sure that Chris

Regards this section, this section of the code is on emergency shelter and the only thing that I would recommend that we consider, staff and the committee, the commission, is that religious assembly may operate an emergency shelter

if included under the local emergency management plan for the duration of the state of emergency.

They have to be part of that database.

Again, not homeless, emergency.

And we will be, I think, well served if we can keep those two separate and deal with them separately.

I have a question.

They have to be included

in the emergency response plan of the locality or the state, because the database of all of the states and local assets are maintained by the Department of Emergency Services.

So if they have an emergency, let's just say in a surrounding county, and they overflow their capability, they know that there's a certain capability in Louisa.

that they can call and say, hey, can you help us out?

And if you're not part of the emergency plan, then Department of Emergency Services doesn't know to call and say, hey, can you help us out?

So yes, according to the code, there's a database that is maintained by the Department of Emergency Services.

I think so, George.

So all the churches have to be registered with that.

If they intend to operate an emergency shelter according to the code of Virginia.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Coon, before you walk away, and Ms. Buckler for both of you.

So, Louisa County operates emergency shelters for emergencies under the Code of Virginia, I'm sure.

I'm sure we do.

In our ordinances, we have something called an emergency shelter here that addresses only temporarily or permanently homeless people.

the way it's currently written.

So if we have an emergency shelter that operates under the Code of Virginia for emergency purposes, what's that defined as?

I mean, it seems like this definition is not pointing to that, like it's pointing to something else entirely.

So do we have a problem right now within our ordinances to where we are not

Okay, so it looks like we have several things we need to reorganize here to look at and maybe fix these problems.

It's a statement.

You don't have to.

Very good.

Well, what I think the discussion is here is that if we're operating emergency shelters within the county,

Under the guidance of the Code of Virginia to respond to emergencies, then our definition of emergency shelter should correctly state what that shelter is rather than this because this is not what that is.

Well, I mean, we can always add the state definition for emergency shelter, but the definitions here in front of you, what options do you guys think it should be called?

Mr.

It is an emergency shelter, and you're required to have an emergency management plan.

The issue that we're bringing up is an emergency shelter has nothing to do with homeless.

That sentence needs to come out.

What needs to go in is the purpose of an emergency shelter and

A good example was three years ago, January, when we lost power, almost had nothing to do with homeless, but we opened up emergency shelters.

So what's before you today that we are calling emergency shelter as of right now and have been for quite some time?

What is it suggested?

Edit for this definition is before you today because we can add emergency shelter as defined in the state code.

It will replace emergency shelter.

We'll make sure we add that.

So when we go to do the public hearing that get emergency shelter correctly defined.

But what's here in front of you today

Okay, I would suggest a facility complying with the definition of an emergency shelter in the code of Virginia and quote that section, period.

Then a religious assembly may operate an emergency shelter

If included in the county's emergency management plan for the duration, they got to be part of our plan.

We're trying to solve two problems here because we recognize one definition is wrong.

We'll take emergency shelter from the state code and we'll replace that with this one.

And if a religious assembly is operating a facility

As an emergency facility, they have to be part of the county's emergency management plan because all that gets submitted to Richmond and it's kept statewide database by the Department of Emergency Services so that they know.

So if they're not part of the county's plan, they cannot operate.

an emergency shelter.

The emergency shelter we will use from the state code.

We will update that to the emergency shelter as defined in the state code will replace emergency shelter.

But the.

Alright, then if you're going to rename this.

Homeless shelter.

Then the second sentence doesn't start out with emergency shelters.

It starts out with homeless shelters.

A religious assembly may operate a homeless shelter, delete for the duration of a locally declared state of an emergency.

Can I speak to that?

Sure.

So that was done intentionally, because of the situation that yes, while we're operating during states of emergency, there are individuals that may need assistance through these churches as well.

So if they want to provide service, in addition to what the county's doing,

The code doesn't provide for that.

I'm not sure we can do something that's out of compliance with the code.

The code says if you're going to have a recognized emergency thing, which you're talking about here, it's got to be registered in Richmond.

That's what we're talking about.

And it doesn't have anything to do with the duration of a locally declared state of emergency.

Sir, the reason why it's in there is so that they don't have to obtain a CUP to do that use.

So they can provide temporary homeless shelter housing during states of emergency without a CUP.

If they want to do it outside of a state of emergency, they would need to obtain a CUP.

That's the sole reason that language is in there.

So if you remove that

So essentially what Mr. Kuhn is saying is that a church who wished to do this under this provision, the way it's written, would not be a part of the state's database, would not be relied on for the state's database.

They would simply be operating this shelter, and they would be allowed to do it without a CUP, but only during

Sometimes when state emergency is declared, which is, it doesn't draw them into any of the requirements of the state emergency response or the local emergency response plan.

It just allows for them to do it without a CUP during these periods of time.

All right, so we've got

Boy, this one really, couldn't see some of this in print to get happy with it finally.

Why don't we, let's see.

We're gonna have to talk about all this tonight anyway.

Momentarily, for the short term.

Go ahead, Ms. Buck.

Off-grid construction, a definition has been added for building a home without connecting to utilities.

They're self-sufficient and generate their own power and water.

These are allowed in the building code and would have to meet all requirements of the USBC.

There was just nothing in our ordinance that really addressed

off-grid construction and we've had several requests to the building official for that type of construction.

For private lane we have removed the words and divisions for residential use serving less than three lots only and removed for agricultural use which

Since we've already made the corrections to what we're now calling a homeless shelter, can't we just eliminate that last sentence?

That's not really the definition of religious, that's a function.

Just stop it at bioreligious organization.

You know, it seems to me like it should be, since that's accessory to more or less, I'll use that word, but maybe that's not the right word, but we're allowing it under religious assembly, it seems to me like the Senate should be over here and not under homeless shelter.

Because here's when you're saying what the religious assembly can do.

I know, but you don't need it over there.

Okay.

If we had the emergency and then we had the religious exemption, you're right.

That wasn't exactly where I was heading.

I thought it was probably a good idea to have a definition of homeless shelter.

We just didn't need, under the definition of homeless shelter, to say who can operate.

Yeah, put that under religious assembly because they're the ones that are getting the allowance to operate that thing at a certain period of time.

You just defined what that thing is somewhere else.

Why wouldn't they be able to operate a homeless shelter during the state of emergency?

They wouldn't.

Exactly.

That's why we included the religious assembly specifically in that definition.

That's what I was explaining.

The conversation was just we can remove homeless shelter because we're going to include it in religious assembly.

I understand, but you call them non-profits.

There's a difference.

Correct.

Okay.

Mr.

Mr. Goodwin.

I remember reading in the code that churches may not be restricted in their activity

more stringently than other organizations.

I don't remember others saying that other organizations, the inverse of that, that other organizations cannot be restricted to the extent that the churches are.

Sure, my only point in all of this is,

You either come in for a CUP or you operate it without one, okay?

And you come in for a CUP, anybody can do that, anybody can get a CUP, anybody can operate one.

If you write religious assembly over here may operate without a CUP, then you're saying only a religious assembly can do that.

If you put the same words over here under the definition of homeless shelter,

But it's just okay.

But I mean, that's, when we go to enforce a zoning code, this is the type of information that is helpful.

All right.

I don't have anything else to add.

I just think we need to have a clear vision of what the two different things are, addressing individually and clearly for what we want.

I still believe we came into this meeting mixing issues and the two issues are emergency and homelessness.

That's okay.

residue or residue parcel or lot the same adjustments have been made to the 5 acres or more or have a minimum of 300 feet of existing state road frontage and we removed house of VDOT approved access subdivision

We removed the Senate subdivided lot should generally be less than five acres in front of less than 400 feet of existing state road frontage.

That's why this vegetative buffer we added the Senate's terms, the terms buffering or screening yard or any variation of these terms, as used throughout the ordinance in conjunction with vegetative buffers shall include a yard or designated area with certain screening.

Like opaque fencing or landscaping materials required between abutting zoning districts or differing use intensities or between adjoining land uses for decreasing the adverse impact of differing uses and districts.

Ms. Buckler, is there a reason why we're adding resort development here?

Thank you.

Mr. Goodwin?

Just a suggestion.

I know you've verbally corrected this but if you do a search on 4300 the IV ought to have a strikethrough.

It is there but it's right through the line of the IV.

So it is really hard to see.

I did the same thing when we were putting this together, and why isn't it stricken?

But thank you.

For the yard regulations in the A2 district, removing the additional setback for structures that exceed 50 feet in height.

In the R2 district for minimum lot width, this was just left out of this section.

It's in all of the other sections that the minimum road frontage shall be provided is in section 86118.

For subdivisions,

Again this is just a suggestion by staff is to remove the three additional lots for the density bonus for affordable housing.

Because currently there is no mechanism in place or guidelines for enforcement of that.

When this was originally adopted, there was an affordable housing committee with the county.

There is no longer that committee that the developers can meet with and get recommendations from.

We've only had one subdivision that actually do the three density lots and that was in 2012.

We have one that is in the process now of trying to obtain those three additional lots and they are working through their mechanism of how they are going to enforce those provisions that they wanted the county to enforce for them.

For under subdivision plat requirements, we have removed third party review firm and added an engineer license in the state of Virginia.

We can add that.

So that's under 86.5.67 for a engineer or surveyor licensed in the state of Virginia.

We've added the language for the requirement of the performance agreement, along with the interim road maintenance agreement that is currently in there in the ordinance.

we've added the language regarding the dedication of rights of way for streets and alleys as provided for in the state code, and that nothing in that section obligates the locality to install or maintain those facilities unless otherwise agreed to by the locality of it lanes.

It was suggested that we require that the security for project be reviewed every 24 months and be increased based on the market or the cost at that time in looking at surrounding counties and other look and other localities.

This language actually came from Green County and I

I added the link there in the document to the engineering news record that is the publication that Greene County uses to look at the cost every two years.

It does require a subscription.

Staff is open to any other suggestions that the Planning Commission may have on how to

We have added language that would require the what we call the private road disclosure statement now

on all subdivision plats with a new internal roadway that basically would state that that road is private until it has been accepted into the state secondary road system by VDOT.

And language that an entrance permit must be obtained from the Virginia Department of Transportation for access to each lot shown on the subdivision plat.

Under the Lake Anna shoreline regulations,

Under 86655 we corrected the waiver section from 8622 to 119 and we added language that the dry hydrant or restroom facilities may be required if required by the Department of Fire and EMS for the dry hydrant and the Virginia Department of Health for the restroom facilities.

and would be placed in a location in coordination with community development and those individual departments and Dominion Energy.

Ms. Buckler, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stop here if we can, because we need just a few minutes before the seven o'clock meeting starts.

So I appreciate it.

Unless any of the commissioners has anything more at this point, we'll pick this up again during the discussion.

Mr. Goodwin.

To your knowledge of the electronic signs that the churches have in the county in compliance with what we're proposing.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

Very good.

Let us pray.

Father God, thank you for bringing us together tonight to work on the business of the county.

We thank you for those who came before us who established Louisa County and perpetuated.

Help us to be good stewards of the human, physical, and environmental resources of the county as we make decisions tonight.

Bless and protect each and every one of us and give us safe travels home once the meeting's over.

We'll move on to the approval of the agenda.

You have the agenda before you.

Do we have a motion to approve?

And a second?

Moved and seconded to approve.

Any comments on the agenda?

Mr. Brooks?

Yes.

Mr. Painting?

Yes.

Ms. Disosway?

Yes.

Mr. Dickerson?

Yes.

Yes Mr. Goodwin?

Very good.

The agenda is approved.

Next up, we have the approval of Planning Commission minutes for the regular meeting, February 13.

So moved.

Moved and seconded to approve.

The minutes appear in packet pages two through six.

Are there any comments on the minutes of the February meeting?

Mr. Goodwin.

That would be the same for me.

No, that was February, right?

Never mind, I was there then.

Very good.

Any other comments?

Very well, Ms. Johnson.

Mr. Brooks?

Yeah.

Mr. Masey?

Yes.

Mr. Dickerson?

Yes.

All right, minutes are approved as presented.

Next up is consent agenda.

We do not have a consent agenda for April.

So we'll move on to the public address period.

Public address period is a time in which the public can come to the microphone and speak to the Planning Commission about any topic that is not a public hearing tonight.

I have

I have several cards, so we'll get to those in a moment when I open the public comment period.

You'll have three minutes to speak.

If you're representing an organization, please let me know.

That will give you five minutes to speak.

The public comment period is open.

And I'm going to call on the folks with the cards first, and then we'll move on to anyone else.

Thank you for allowing me to speak.

I'm here to speak on behalf of the Louisa Homeless Coalition and would like to encourage the committee to adopt ordinance that allows for warmer hyperthermia shelters during the winter months from November to March in religious organizations, churches, et cetera.

As you know, it's mighty cold out there in the winter and it's hard to sleep in your car in the middle of the winter or in a tent.

So it's much more of a problem than many people realize here in Louisa and I

Hope that you will take good note of that and think about those people that are less fortunate than all of us here in Louisa that deserve to be cared for in these dire circumstances.

Thank you, Mr.

Sergeant.

Good evening.

My name is David Nick Williams.

I'm the pastor of Zion United Methodist Church and live in the Greenspring district.

As you all know, there's a proposal to amend the definition for religious assemblies.

And I would like to suggest an additional amendment that includes the opportunity for religious assemblies to provide hypothermia shelter from November through March without the requirement of a conditional use permit.

In my opinion, it's an essential historic practice of the church to provide shelter and therefore shouldn't be subject to community or government approval.

But in our current zoning laws, it requires two public hearings plus two government boards to vote on whether or not a church can do or not do a ministry of the church.

And it just makes me wonder if we have so blatantly abandoned the separation of church and state.

It makes me wonder if churches really should need the approval of their communities before they do something as simple as loving their neighbors.

Because in Scripture, when Jesus talks about loving neighbor, both in the parable of the Good Samaritan and in his conversation with the rich young ruler, on both occasions, it becomes abundantly clear that caring for the physical needs of the poor and the marginalized is essential to what Jesus means when he calls his community, his disciples, to love their neighbors.

And so I believe it's the present responsibility of the church as the followers of Jesus within Louisa County to provide emergency winter shelter for persons experiencing homelessness in a county where there's otherwise no shelters available.

I want to share with you a modern day parable written partially by Luther Smith.

He writes that, imagine our community is one giant skyscraper.

The wealthiest people in our community, wanting the best views, elect to live in the penthouse, the top floor, and relegate the poorest members of the community to the bottom floors.

Then a fire breaks out within the bottom floors and the fire threatens the structural integrity of the building and the fire alarms ring throughout.

And so the people on the middle and the upper floors send down the best possible firefighters so that they can put out the fire and save the building because otherwise the building comes crashing down if the bottom floors burn.

But then imagine that there's a small fire just in the apartment of one particular person and it threatens that person's life but doesn't do anything to threaten the structural integrity of the building.

Will they do the same in sending the fire department down?

My invitation for us today as a community is that we wouldn't be so self-centered that we don't care about the poor unless it directly affects us.

Thank you Mr. McWilliams.

Would anyone else?

That was all the cards I have, so is there anyone else that would like to come forward and address the Planning Commission?

Very well.

I'm going to close the public comment period.

Public comment period is closed.

And we'll move on to unfinished business.

And I don't think right now we have any unfinished business that we're not currently dealing with.

We were discussing small area plans previously and that is work ongoing.

So we can move on then to public hearings.

The first one being ordinance 2020 ordinance change 2025-02 proposed amendments to chapter 86.

Good evening, Chairman, members of Planning Commission.

Starting on page seven, you can see my memo.

all the way through 10.

You can see the proposed changes to include the districts that would require CUP.

The only update that I do have before you today is that in the definition to account for the cardinal news article that I believe was shared with all Planning Commission that we changed the definition to actually state the sale or transaction

of legally authorized controlled substances.

So the item where somebody purchased something and they get a gift can be addressed.

And then I sent an email just articulating the agricultural activity passive as the reason why we would want to include that is

to avoid any risk that the cultivation of a regulated crop such as hemp or marijuana should have become legalized would be interpreted as a retail activity simply because the end product is a controlled substance.

This is just something to avoid subjecting farms inappropriate zoning regulations intended for commercial retail operations.

And just to address one other question, I got the entity that does regulate current hemp growth is the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.

So of course, if marijuana becomes legalized, the growth and cultivation would more than likely be managed by that organization as well.

Does anyone have questions to the staff at this time?

Very well then, we'll move on to the public comment period.

We're going to open the public comment period.

Public comment period is open.

Typically the first person to address on the public comment period is the applicant.

Since this is a staff presentation, we'll dispense with that.

and we'll move directly to public address.

I do not have any cards for this topic.

If anyone in the audience would like to step forward and address planning commission on this topic, please do so.

Yes, sir, please come forward.

State your name and your voting district and you'll have three minutes to address the commission.

My name is Bridge Hamilton.

I'm from the Cuckoo District.

I'm just here to see what was going on first and foremost but I'm here to also just let you guys know that I like what y'all are doing and I think it's appropriate for the time and I think if we do it right and with white gloves it'll be safe and very healthy for the economy and just for people in general as we find out more about medicine

And I just want to encourage you guys to be open-minded and just really do some research if you're curious about it because there's enough research out here that doesn't involve the DEA website, that's medical research here.

And I just encourage you guys to dive deep into it because I think the biggest thing is miseducation.

I think we need to be informed on this and educated on this and just understand like what cannabis and hemp is.

So I just, I don't know, I just felt like I just should share this and I, thank you.

Very good.

Thank you.

Would anyone else like to come forward and speak?

Very well.

Seeing none then, we'll close public comment period.

Public comment period is closed and bring it back to the Commission for discussion.

Very well then this is not associated with any particular district so the chair will look for a motion in general to approve or deny.

So moved.

Is that what I heard?

Yes, to approve.

Yes.

Moved and seconded.

To approve with the noted changes.

Any further discussion?

Mr. Brooks?

Yes.

Mr. Painting?

Yes.

Mr. Goodwin.

Yes.

Mr. Kersey.

Very well.

The ordinance change passes.

So that completes the public hearings for the month.

Under new business, I'm not aware of any new business that we have to be brought forward.

So we can move on to the discussion item.

The discussion item tonight is a suite of ordinance changes.

2025-01.

Ms. Buckler, we were in the middle of discussing those during the work session.

If we can pick up where we left off there and we can move forward with that.

The language here is as I stated earlier language that has been suggested by the telecommunications consultant to help in reviewing telecommunications applications for co-locations

and modifications to existing towers.

Good evening again everybody.

So you have emails been handed out to you this evening.

I apologize it's at the last hour here.

We have a relatively new consultant on board to us started towards the very tail end of 2024 and as we continue to get applications and we've received many colo applications so far this year as well as a couple at least one new tower.

We're continuing to learn some of the things that the

The consultant needs to have added to our code so that they can request certain information that they would like to have in order to do a thorough review.

So in your packet you have the language in black font that you see in the email that was passed out today and our consultant has suggested that we not only adopt the language that is in your packet but also add the language in blue.

And then there's some language in a yellow highlight and I'll explain the difference between the black, blue, and yellow language.

So the black language allows the county and the consultant to request a five year study of the tower itself to confirm that the tower has been inspected.

So that when a company comes to add equipment to the tower,

The blue language is pretty much the exact same thought process but for the actual structural mount that the equipment is going to on the tower.

So the black language is for the tower, the blue language would be for

Typically a tower has four RAD positions and each one of those RAD positions they could request a study that that position is in a good enough condition that it would support new equipment on top of it or adding equipment for the first time.

And then the yellow language is something that is a recommendation that the consultant puts in their analysis reports for the colocations that we get.

But putting in the yellow would allow the county to require that after the equipment is placed on the tower that a report is provided signed and sealed by an engineer stating that the work has been done in accordance to what was reviewed and approved by our consultant.

And if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them.

One thing I'll add on with the yellow language, and I've spoken to the building official just to kind of give some idea of why the language is in yellow, is the building official does not have the authority under the state building code to request an inspection.

after the equipment is placed on there.

So our consultant reviews the application, they give a recommendation of approval based off of the information such as structural analysis and things like that, but our building official's not strapping on a harness and going up to 198 feet on the tower to check out the equipment, right?

And our building official's not a licensed PE or engineer who specializes in telecom.

The second change to the public communications regulations is to indicate that generators cannot be operated at policy communication facilities as WCFs except during paralogies or during

We are striking the language store because the writers are a standard piece of equipment at a telecommunication facilities when they are constructed.

The last part of the proposed amendments deals with the sound regulations and electronic messaging signs.

There has been a lot of conversation and communication to staff about the brightness or the light intensity of electronic message signs at night.

So we are looking to strengthen the language in the ordinance.

It currently just states that signs have to be dark sky compliant.

So there was an original draft

There have been two options after that.

We are open to suggestions of, we're trying to find the most efficient and easiest way for both the applicant and staff to enforce and regulate the lighting of the electronic message signs.

The more research we do, the more information we find, so it's kind of evolved.

That's where we have three different grants in front of me.

One, the last one that we handed out tonight labeled as alternative option two at the top.

Right now seems to be the option that the staff that's been reviewing this is most favorable and

There will probably be some other minor adjustments under just the general provisions.

The language is a little confusing because it combines both flashing signs and electronic message signs under one category and they're two different defined sound types.

So we will be doing additional work to help clarify those issues as well.

As far as the interval for the change of the messaging, we have reached out to VDOT in order to try to be consistent with the portable VDOT signs that have put out what change interval they use for those signs.

We are also looking at purchasing a light meter to measure some of the existing signs to gauge

If this is going to work properly, so we're going to be doing that in the very near future, hopefully within the next week.

We're headed in the right path with this language, but we've done a lot of research in other localities.

We've contacted six different sign companies that have applied for permits with the county.

We got a lot of really good information from one of those sign companies about the electronic messaging signs.

where newer signs can be equipped with automatic sensors that are programmed to dim at night and or cut off.

A lot of localities require that electronic message signs cut off at 11pm

come back on at sunrise.

Older signs, electronic message message signs can't be retrofitted.

But what he indicated was that the operators or the owners of those signs have the ability to control the brightness

of them.

So that's one of the reasons why we're looking to get the light meter so we can kind of just gauge some of the signs that we've heard concerns about and and see how they comply with either dark sky lighting or how they may be way off from what we're proposing.

One thing strikes me is it sounds like great research and I appreciate that.

Before you spend money on a light meter, I think most of these things have light meters in them.

There's probably an app.

I've done that with sound meter for this.

Save some money.

Anyone have any commentary on the three options on signs?

And that is staff's thought as well.

I'm the one that we are leaning to being air preference.

That is all the proposed changes.

We have included a draft subdivision agreement, the current interim interim road maintenance agreement.

We've provided those to miss to look at along with all of our bonding forms that you know, as we move to

Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Goodwin.

Question for staff.

Like the Chairman, I think the

Alternative number two is much clearer, much cleaner.

There's a lot of I'll call it scientific language in the third option that I had to read about four or five times and I'm not sure I still got it.

Is there something in there that we need to capture?

Or is that just

purely another option.

Anything that we really want to get out of this?

The more research we did, we found language that made it easier to regulate and enforce and

So that's why we prepared the second option that didn't include all the distances and that sort of thing.

All right, so we've heard and discussed all of these ordinance changes.

I'd like to make a proposal because of some discussion we had earlier, because one of the things we're trying to do tonight is move through these

Ordinance changes and get them ready for public hearing, which I think we've largely we're good on most all of them.

But we did identify some things earlier with problems with definition for emergency shelter regarding code of Virginia versus our code and how we apply that along with religious assembly.

I think that particular issue could

It's going to take some research from the staff's point of view to make sure that we properly define what we have with regard to the state for an emergency shelter and also whether or not a homeless shelter needs to be added to correct

our local code so we have something we can work with and that all wraps up into the religious assembly.

I believe staff needs time to look at that and get that worked out right and we need at least one more work session to go through that and to understand it more carefully what the staff comes up with and

How we make sure that we get into alignment correctly with the Code of Virginia.

So I would propose that we remove those items from this package of ordinance changes for now and we consider the ordinance changes outside of those items for public hearing.

Next meeting in May and we'll take the shelter and religious assembly issue and move that into a work session next month and make sure we get that worked out correctly so that correctly reflects

What we do, what the code of Virginia requires, and how we're going to address the whole religious assembly issue and then we'll have that ready for public hearing.

But I don't know that we have enough information, particularly without the staff investigation, to act on that tonight.

I'd rather give it time to get it right.

So we know what we have.

Very well.

Is there a reason why when it comes to the state code and on the last issue versus ours, why wouldn't ours mirror that?

I think it's unclear to us why our code is different and that's part of the research that staff is going to do to help us understand if there's any difference that we don't perceive right now that's not clear to us.

They're going to let us know that.

Okay.

I understand.

It just seems to me that it'd be very simple just to mirror the state code.

Very good.

All right.

Are there any other discussion on any other parts of this code change proposal?

I move that we move the collection of order changes to public hearing stage at our next meeting with the exception of the issue of emergency shelter, homeless shelter, and religious assembly.

Getting that correct.

Option one, not the original.

This is the first option.

In my mind, we have two options.

We have three.

Alternative option number two.

Very good.

Okay.

Just to clarify, we have a motion on the table.

Moved and seconded.

Any further discussion?

Very well.

Mr. Brooks?

Yes.

Mr. Painting?

Yes.

Mr. Disosway?

Yes.

Mr. Dickerson?

Very well.

The ordinance is we'll move to a public hearing next month.

And also, Ms. Buckler, can we can we rely on you all to do some research and to prepare Mr. Kuhn and prepare

a new definition for emergency shelter and let's talk about the changes we had, make the change we had for religious assembly and we'll also look at can you do some research on homeless shelter in surrounding localities so we understand what other localities are doing for that and whether or not there's a conflict with those

And we'll, we'll do that for for work session in May.

Yes.

All right.

Well, that brings us to reports as Buckler.

If you have one for us, or if you don't have one for us, it's fine.

I have no announcements so the chair will look for a motion to adjourn.

Very good.

Thank you, sir.

And thank you for reminding me of that, keeping me straight.