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Louisa County
Planning Commission Meeting 6/12/2025
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Planning Commission Meeting
6/12/2025
Attachments
06 12 2025 - Regular Meeting Agenda.pdf
PC 06 12 2025 RM Packet.pdf
Public Notice.pdf
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. ROLL CALL
3. INVOCATION
4. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
5. I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
6. II. APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
7. 1. Planning Commission - Regular Meeting - May 8, 2025
05 08 2025 PC Minutes.pdf
8. III. CONSENT AGENDA
9. IV. PUBLIC ADDRESS
10. V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
11. VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS
12. 1. CUP2025-01 Louisa Properties LR2.5 LLC & Louisa Properties LR1.5 LLC, Applicant/Owner; Kelsey Schlein, Shimp Engineering, Agent – Conditional Use Permit Request
FINAL - CUP2025-01 Weber.pdf
Enclosure 1 - Application.pdf
Enclosure 2 - Concept Plan.pdf
Enclosure 3 - GIS Zoning Maps.pdf
Enclosure 4 - Site Photos.pdf
Enclosure 5- Notice to Adjoining Parcels.pdf
13. 2. CUP2025-03 Builders Cabinet Company Inc., Applicant; Joey Bryant, Owner – Conditional Use Permit Request
FINAL- CUP2025-03 Builders Cabinet Company - Bryant.pdf
Enclosure 1 - Application.pdf
Enclosure 2- Concept Plan.pdf
Enclosure 3 - GIS Zoning Map.pdf
Enclosure 4 - Site Photos.pdf
Enclosure 5 - Builders Cabinet Company Sales Catalog.pdf
Enclosure 6 - Notice to Adjoining Parcels.pdf
14. 3. CUP2025-04 Amelia AD1, LLC dba Vanguard Renewables SPV LLC, Applicant; Columbia Gas Transmission LLC fka Commonwealth Gasline Corp, Owner; TC Energy, Agent – Conditional Use Permit Request
FINAL-CUP2025-04 Columbia Gas Transmission Vanguard PC Report.pdf
Enclosure 1 - Land Use Application - CUP2025-04.pdf
Enclosure 2- Narrative- CUP2025-04.pdf
Enclosure 3- Deed & Plat.pdf
Enclosure 4-Concept Plan - CUP2025-04.pdf
Enclosure 5- Surface Lease Agreement.pdf
Enclosure 6 -Chain of Ownership - Columbia Gas Transmissions LLC.pdf
Enclosure 7- Chain of Ownership -Vanguard Renewables.pdf
Enclosure 8-Environmental Site Assesment.pdf
Enclosure 9-LCEMS Acknowledgement Letter.pdf
Enclosure 10 - GIS Maps.pdf
Enclosure 11 - Site Photos.pdf
Enclosure 12- Notice to Adjoining Parcels.pdf
Enclosure 13- CUP2017-02 Action Letter.pdf
15. VII. NEW BUSINESS
16. VIII. DISCUSSION
17. IX. REPORTS
18. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND ADJOURNMENT
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:06:43
Meeting of Lewis County Planning Commission to order.
00:06:48
Ms. Johnson, can we have a roll call vote please?
SPEAKER_14
00:06:52
Mr. Barlow?
00:06:52
Here.
00:06:53
Mr. Brooks?
00:06:54
Mr. Painting?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:06:55
Here.
00:06:56
Mr. Disosway?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:06:57
Here.
SPEAKER_11
00:06:58
Mr. Dickerson?
00:06:59
Here.
00:06:59
Mr. Quarles?
00:07:00
Here.
SPEAKER_05
00:07:01
Mr. Goodwin?
SPEAKER_14
00:07:01
Here.
SPEAKER_02
00:07:02
Mr. Kersey?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:07:03
Here.
SPEAKER_14
00:07:04
Mr. Purcell?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:07:06
Thank you.
00:07:08
Please rise while we have the invocation led by Commissioner Dickerson followed by the Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Quarles.
SPEAKER_07
00:07:16
Let us pray.
00:07:18
Father God, thank you for establishing Louisa County.
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For those who came forward to perpetuate what is here now, help us to be good stewards of the human and the physical resources of the county so we leave it better than we found it for future generations.
00:07:33
In Jesus' name we pray.
SPEAKER_11
00:07:34
Amen.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:08:01
We'll move on with the approval of the agenda.
00:08:03
You have the agenda before you here.
00:08:05
Do I have a motion to approve as presented?
SPEAKER_05
00:08:08
So moved.
00:08:09
Second.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:08:10
Moved and seconded to approve as presented.
00:08:12
Any comments on the agenda?
00:08:17
Can I have a roll call vote on approval of the agenda please?
00:08:22
Mr. Pinking?
00:08:22
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
00:08:24
Mr. Disosway?
00:08:24
Yes.
00:08:26
Mr. Dickerson?
SPEAKER_11
00:08:26
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:08:27
Mr. Quarles?
00:08:28
Yes.
00:08:29
Mr. Goodwin?
00:08:29
Yes.
00:08:29
Mr. Kersey?
00:08:30
Yes.
SPEAKER_26
00:08:32
Very good.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:08:33
The agenda is approved.
00:08:35
We'll move on to approval of the Planning Commission meetings from the regular.
00:08:40
The minutes of the Planning Commission meeting from the regular meeting on May 8, found on pages two through five in the packet.
00:08:47
Do I have a motion to approve the minutes as presented?
00:08:50
So moved.
00:08:52
Second, moved and seconded.
00:08:54
Any comments on the minutes as presented?
00:09:01
Very well, Miss Johnson.
00:09:02
Mr. Quarles?
SPEAKER_08
00:09:04
I'm going to abstain from that because I was absent.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:09:06
Understand, abstain because you're absent.
00:09:08
Miss Johnson, can we have a roll call vote, please?
SPEAKER_11
00:09:12
Mr. Painting?
00:09:12
Yes.
00:09:14
Mr. Disosway?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:09:14
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
00:09:15
Mr. Dickerson?
00:09:15
Yes.
00:09:16
Mr. Quarles?
SPEAKER_08
00:09:17
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
00:09:18
Mr. Goodwin?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:09:19
Yes.
SPEAKER_26
00:09:20
Mr. Pearson?
00:09:20
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:09:22
Very well.
00:09:23
The minutes of the May meeting are approved.
00:09:26
Move on to the consent agenda.
00:09:28
We do not have a consent agenda for this month.
00:09:31
So move on to the public address period.
00:09:33
The public address period is a time when the public can come forward and speak to the Planning Commission on any item that is not a public hearing tonight.
00:09:43
So I'm going to open the public address period.
00:09:46
The public address period is open.
00:09:49
I have several cards here.
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I'm going to call names for the cards to come forward to speak.
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You'll have three minutes to speak.
00:09:58
If you represent an organization, let me know the organization that you represent.
00:10:03
That would give you five minutes to speak.
00:10:06
So the first card I have for the public comment period is Lynn Kogel.
SPEAKER_24
00:10:21
Good evening commissioners.
00:10:23
Thank you very much for this opportunity.
00:10:25
I'm Lynn Kogel and I am from the Mineral District.
00:10:28
I want to discuss this evening a little bit about homeless shelters and I know you have just recently this afternoon redefined them into humanitarian shelters.
00:10:37
I think that's a good move.
00:10:39
It's a little bit different and maybe puts a little different spin on things.
00:10:43
I want to talk a little bit about where we were with the Louisa Homeless Coalition over the last few years
00:10:48
and what is really needed in our county.
00:10:52
Over the last three years, much research has been done to identify best ways to help the homeless in our county.
00:10:57
We conducted a point-in-time study in January of 2024 according to National HUD guidelines in an attempt to quantify the homeless situation here.
00:11:06
We found people in cars, in tents in the woods, and other places not meant for habitation.
00:11:12
We also found many doubling up in already overcrowded situations in homes and apartments.
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Our research included talking to many existing shelter coordinators in cities and rural counties throughout Virginia to find out what works and what doesn't work for processes for taking care of homeless people.
00:11:30
We've put in place best practice policies to provide safety for all involved.
00:11:35
And I commend you for what you are trying to do with the ordinance and the things that you identified and updated this afternoon I think are very good.
00:11:43
Most of our plans incorporate and do already include most of what you suggested for the safety of our citizens and the homeless, everybody that will be involved.
00:11:54
Our plan is simple.
00:11:55
It's to provide dinner and a warm place for these folks to sleep at night to prevent people from freezing to death.
00:12:01
I know none of us want that.
00:12:04
Just some reminders, the First Amendment of the Constitution basically says, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
00:12:15
I know you're not Congress, but you are local government.
00:12:18
We look to you for guidance.
00:12:20
And I guess the question would be, why would local government want to take on liability or be overly involved in non-government activities if the churches are handling all of it and not asking for financial support from the county?
00:12:33
If you must create a definition, I like the description humanitarian shelters.
00:12:38
I think that's good.
00:12:39
But you still need to take into account that could
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include all different types of shelters.
00:12:44
It could be those that are the families sleeping on their neighbor's couch, the overnight warming shelters like the Homeless Coalition has proposed, and the large-scale full-day homeless shelters, which we know that would be a long way off for Louisa.
00:13:00
Charlottesville and Richmond have them.
00:13:02
That's not what we're looking to do.
00:13:04
We're looking for a very simple process to help people as soon as possible.
00:13:08
So all of those things require different oversight.
00:13:10
And I think as you move forward with the ordinance, it's important to remember how we're defining it.
00:13:16
And maybe these warming shelters and churches should be a separate little piece, maybe an exemption from that ordinance.
00:13:24
If you do feel that the only way to do this is with an ordinance and requiring the cup process, I would ask a couple of things.
00:13:33
One would be, because the cup process is so time consuming and so costly, that's not beneficial to churches and this group of citizens trying to help homeless people.
00:13:43
Even if, like, I believe the way it's defined now, we'd have to have a cup for each church.
00:13:48
And if we have to do a cup, I would ask that at least we make it one cup for all churches in the county that would cover anyone who wants to offer that.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:13:57
Ms. Kogel, your time is up.
00:13:59
OK.
SPEAKER_24
00:13:59
Thank you very much.
00:14:00
I appreciate it.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:14:01
Thank you.
00:14:04
Next up, we have Sue Frankel Street.
00:14:09
And again, I forgot to mention, please state your name and your voting district when you come forward.
SPEAKER_12
00:14:17
I want to start by saying that I really didn't want to come tonight because I feel like you have made up your minds a long time ago not to do much about homelessness and that you don't actually have the application to help the least of these.
00:14:35
But I got a phone call this afternoon at two o'clock from a disabled 54-year-old lifelong resident of Louisa who was homeless.
00:14:43
and he told me that he got my number from the Louisa County Social Services.
00:14:47
So I guess I'm supposed to be here.
00:14:50
But the draft that I was looking at and the reason why this hearing is being held and why we're all here I just find extremely disappointing at best.
00:15:00
The first requirement basically makes it illegal to build a homeless shelter which I've been asking for for years because I get these phone calls.
00:15:10
So that's
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Right there, kind of says it all.
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We can't, you're not going to build a homeless shelter.
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Now we have to jump through a bunch of hoops to house people.
00:15:23
And if we actually get it together to build something, it's not going to be permitted.
00:15:29
Requirements 3 through 5, yes, those are reasonable and we already do them.
00:15:35
But now we need permission and we have no guarantee that you're going to give us permission.
00:15:39
Especially if people have to get CUPs, we don't even know if that's going to be finished by the time people start getting cold.
00:15:46
Requirement 8, Community Impact Statement.
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Maybe this is where the metal meets the road.
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We have to explain how we're going to be impacting surrounding properties.
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I call it the property value requirement.
00:15:59
How are we impacting the people right now when we have nothing to give them?
00:16:04
Oh, and the EMS services.
00:16:06
You don't want us to cost EMS any extra money by housing people.
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I don't even know what to say about that.
00:16:12
It's gotta be more expensive if people freeze to death.
00:16:15
Finally, a good neighbor's policy.
00:16:18
We have to have a plan in place to take complaints.
00:16:21
And where is Mark, who I talked to today, and the two other people that I talked to last week, where are they supposed to go to complain?
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That's what I want to know.
00:16:31
So I am begging you, please don't do this.
00:16:34
I know you're not going to house homeless people.
00:16:36
We all know that.
00:16:37
We're actually, at this point, resigned to that.
00:16:40
But just let us do it to the best of our very limited ability.
00:16:45
And we don't have time to go through all these cup hearings because currently, we have to make money so we can pay $100 a night to house homeless people at the Loyalty Inn because that's all there is.
00:16:57
Thank you.
00:17:02
Next up is Bill Street.
SPEAKER_02
00:17:20
Hi, my name is William Streit.
00:17:22
I'm from the Patrick Henry District.
00:17:26
You've already heard from my better half, my wife, Sue.
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I don't think I'll need that much time, although I'm a part of Yanceyville Church.
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I've been privileged to have been asked to preach there numerous times.
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I'll try not to preach now.
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But I was a part of sheltering homeless people last winter.
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It worked out great.
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It was a privilege.
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You know, as Scripture says, what we do to the least of those we do to Jesus.
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So we were sheltering Christ.
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And we did it for
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a week and it was simple.
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Other people from around the area who weren't even involved in the church seeing the genuineness of what we were doing brought food, they brought clothing, they brought drinks.
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Very supportive of the people around the area who aren't even involved with the church.
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So we don't need
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Government laws or state laws to tell us how to do the works of mercy.
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Seeing the hungry, sheltering the homeless is church work.
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Please don't stand in the way of the churches.
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Let the churches be churches.
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Don't make a bunch of laws that people have to jump through hoops.
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It's very simple.
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If you're not going to take care of our fellow human beings, let the churches do it, because that's what we're about.
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So, just an ending.
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You know, when the early apostles went before their planning commission, called the Sanhedrin, when the Sanhedrin stood in the way of them,
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They told them, better to obey God rather than men.
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And since you have God we trust there and start with a prayer, Louisa would be a much better place, as we prayed for, if we were humane and welcoming and human, taking care of our fellow human being.
00:19:46
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:19:48
Thank you, sir.
00:19:51
Next up is Christina Marshall.
SPEAKER_20
00:19:58
Good evening.
SPEAKER_00
00:19:59
I'm Christina Marshall.
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I believe I'm in Patrick Henry 1.
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I was a missionary the last 32 years in Ecuador for indigenous tribes.
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Last year I returned to Luisa after having been gone for half of my life.
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I returned under circumstances I did not expect to return.
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The country that I was ministering to suddenly had drug cartels come in and we had to leave.
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I brought my husband and my son with me.
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We came back to Liweza where we have a small piece of property but we do not yet have a home.
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This winter, my husband and stepson, who are Amazonian indigenous people, have never seen cold, never seen snow.
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They've never experienced low temperatures.
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We got a winter.
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This winter, when the temperatures were so low that we were unable to maintain our own heat systems, Yancyville Church helped us.
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We slept at Yancyville Church to be warm, to be saved, to have some food.
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Not only did we do that, but my husband began staying there every night.
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As in his country, he's trained to help elderly people and trained to help homeless people, help them find their way.
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This is what he did.
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So he began staying every night just to make sure that these people, whom in his tribe would be considered respected elders, neighbors, friends, to make sure that nobody had to be on the street and be cold.
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We ran carpools at six in the morning and carpools at six in the evening.
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to get people off the streets.
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We picked up a 63-year-old man who is a lifetime resident of Louisa, homeless, from a camp where he had a car with no windows that he was sleeping in and brought him in every night, gave him a blanket and a pillow and a cot, gave him some hot coffee for breakfast and some warm food in the evening that kind neighbors brought in.
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took care of him.
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This is what churches do.
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I've been a missionary and a church person my whole life.
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I cannot imagine that Louisa County wants to relegate and make regulations on how the churches reach out to the least of us.
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And I would declare myself the least of us.
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This last winter, without those shelters, my family would have suffered terribly.
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That saved us when temperatures were well below freezing.
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I'm not an unreasonable person.
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I'm not looking for homeless shelters, not looking for daytime things, but I do believe that if a church decides that they want to help those people who are sleeping on the street or who do not have adequate heat in their homes, if they want to open their doors and warm them, I cannot imagine any government body trying to stop that or regulate that.
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It is inappropriate.
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It is the mission of the church to show mercy and to help the least of us.
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I saw that you all would be discussing homeless shelters.
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Homeless shelters would be great.
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We need them everywhere.
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But Louisa Moore needs just a simple warming shelter when emergency temperatures are below 40 degrees.
00:23:47
Ma'am, your time is up.
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Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:23:50
Thank you.
00:23:52
Next up is Dwayne Surgeon.
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And Mr.
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Surgeon, I have attached to your request the email that you sent that is a part made a part of the meeting record.
SPEAKER_03
00:24:11
OK, great.
00:24:13
My name is Dwayne Surgeon.
00:24:14
I live in the mineral district and I'm representing the Louisa Homeless Commission, so I might take five minutes.
00:24:23
So you've heard pretty eloquently from a different variety of people about this whole issue and I was here for your work session.
00:24:37
Frankly, I left very disappointed.
00:24:40
I do appreciate the effort to make some changes since the original version came out, however
00:24:47
I'm hearing from the commission you want citizen input, and yet I don't see you listening to it or changing anything as a result.
00:24:54
Now, maybe those changes came as a result, and that's OK.
00:24:58
It's not fine, though.
00:25:02
So you had a planning meeting, and I thought a lot of times when you do things like this, you involve citizens.
00:25:09
There are people that are involved with it.
00:25:10
And to my knowledge, no one on the coalition was contacted to participate in.
00:25:15
Looking at this and making suggestions for revisions, so I was disappointed even here I didn't know you had that meeting on Tuesday with whatever commissioners and staff participated But I don't know why citizens or people who are involved in this issue couldn't have been included So what I want to say to you is to With in mind what's been stated in front of you to ask yourself a few questions
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And I'm going to reiterate a couple of things.
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These warming shelters we're proposing would only operate from November through March of the year.
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They would only service Louisa citizens between the hours of 5 PM and 9 AM.
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The warming shelters would have a maximum capacity of 20 citizens.
00:26:11
Your innocence for a much bigger issue, a much bigger thing.
00:26:15
That's not what we're looking for, asking for at this point.
00:26:19
The warming shelters will be hosted by churches in Louisa County.
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And the warming shelters would work with law enforcement to make them aware of where the shelters are being hosted.
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So if there are any concerns, which our parent organization in Charlottesville has operated the same protocol that we're looking to do, which is rotating from a church to churches for one to two weeks at a time at each church.
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In 20 years, they've only had one incident that involves some issues with law enforcement.
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So I want you to consider a couple of questions for the commission and the county government, county board of supervisors as a whole.
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Does Louisa County want to be known for supporting a novel idea of partnerships between churches and community organizations to help the most desperate in our county without additional burden on county services?
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Or does Louisa County want to give the appearance of making it difficult for churches to accomplish their mission of helping those in need by sheltering them from the cold
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i.e.
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requiring a CUP for the churches.
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That could be 20 CUPs of 20 churches participating.
00:27:33
Looks like a little extra work for staff in the county to me and the commission to review each of them.
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Does Louisa County want to find religious organizations or clergy for performing the church's mission to provide warm, safe shelter during the cold months of the year without county approval?
00:27:52
Would this requirement add to the workload of county staff?
00:27:56
Doesn't having a safe, designated place to stay at night rather than vehicles in tents or tents throughout the county make less of a burden to law enforcement to police these people?
00:28:08
And does the Louisa County want to insert itself into churches accomplishing the mission of outreach in the community?
00:28:17
So I would remind you again to think about the Constitution and the protection and separation of church and state, the religious freedom to accomplish your church's mission without interference or without regulation that's unnecessary by the governing agency in that area.
00:28:41
Why would the local government,
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want to assume reliability by getting involved in nongovernmental religious activities.
00:28:50
I'm very puzzled by that.
00:28:53
And from the county we're in, and we know the political leanings here, I'm frankly surprised you aren't more supportive of this effort.
00:29:03
So the definition, again this has been said earlier,
00:29:09
You are creating a situation where there's all kinds of potential requirements kicking in for people who want to take people in to help them in their own homes or anywhere.
00:29:22
So I submit to you that the Commission needs to revise the ordinance and add a provision
00:29:34
that exempts churches from doing what we're trying to do.
00:29:38
And there's the list of things I just gave you of the criteria of the five things that would qualify churches for an exemption to do this.
00:29:47
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:29:48
Thank you.
00:29:50
These are all the cards I have.
00:29:53
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
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Please come forward.
SPEAKER_10
00:30:02
Mary Kranz, Mountain Rogue Voting District I know you all have been working really hard on this and I know that being on the Planning Commission can be a thankless task
00:30:18
So bad that a lot of people just don't want to do it.
00:30:22
Thank you, seriously, for being on the Planning Commission.
00:30:26
I also know from the people I've talked to that you've worked very hard to come up with a compromise, which on the face of it looks like the perfect compromise.
00:30:38
Both Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Disosway have asked me, what's so bad about a CUP?
00:30:46
Well, here's what.
00:30:49
First, it's expensive.
00:30:52
Three to five thousand dollars to apply and a thousand dollars for the advertising.
00:31:00
Small churches can't do that.
00:31:04
I have heard that county staff might waive that for churches, which would be great and very considerate, but current staff might be sympathetic, but that is not an assurance that we can count on.
00:31:20
Two, it's just not right for churches to be asking the government if they can carry out their sincere mission of helping less fortunate people.
00:31:34
Three, small churches don't have the experience in dealing with government officials and meetings and standing in front of people and stating their case
00:31:49
And I'm afraid that this process, in it of itself, besides the money, would make small churches say, I don't think that's something we can do.
00:32:02
IV This process is kind of making a mountain out of a molehill.
00:32:09
In the case of my church, Yanceyville,
00:32:12
We're talking about letting a few people, fewer than six, sleep in a church on the coldest nights of the year.
00:32:20
And we should be able to just do that without regulations and zoning and fines.
00:32:28
Five, and this might be one of my strongest points, the process itself indulges people's fears.
00:32:41
People, there's this image of homeless people as being criminals and dangerous people.
00:32:49
I hear my friends say things like that.
00:32:55
When we have people staying at our church, we have the opportunity to get to know them as individuals.
00:33:03
And it's not just me getting to know them, it's our neighbors who bring food getting to know them.
00:33:10
It's the whole church board getting to know them and hear the stories about people who you would think would be dangerous.
00:33:19
We had this guy who spent 30 years in prison.
00:33:23
They turned out to be very helpful when our pipes froze on that cold night.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:33:31
Ma'am, your time is up.
SPEAKER_10
00:33:33
Oh, no.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:33:34
I'm sorry.
00:33:36
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_10
00:33:37
I was just going to say, so different from our actual experience when we decided to break the law last winter.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:33:45
Thank you.
00:33:47
Would anyone else like to speak?
00:33:50
Yes, come forward, please.
SPEAKER_20
00:34:01
First, let me apologize.
00:34:03
I thought I had registered to speak and evidently if there was not a card, I didn't follow the correct process.
00:34:10
So I'm glad to learn what I did wrong for next time.
00:34:14
My name is Alan Smith.
00:34:15
I am not a resident of Louisa County.
00:34:17
I serve as the pastor at Mechanicsville Baptist Church in the Boswell's Tavern area.
00:34:22
So I'm here speaking on behalf of that organization, which I think
00:34:26
So thank you very much for your time.
00:34:32
I will share briefly I've been served I've been serving at Mechanicsville Baptist Church for a little bit more than two years but prior to this I have experience in
00:34:42
Many other cities, many other states serving as a pastor where these types of programs have existed for years.
00:34:48
I know it's been referenced.
00:34:50
There's a parent program in Charlottesville I've been aware of.
00:34:52
I've also dealt with similar programs in North Carolina.
00:34:55
So obviously this is nothing new.
00:34:57
And when I learned last summer of the coalition here in Louisa County interested in bringing something like this to our area, I was excited to help our church grow more involved.
00:35:08
And yes, as you've heard from others and other communication,
00:35:12
I do believe that simply
00:35:16
In our religion as Christians, as followers of Christ, it is my belief as the pastor of our church that faith is not just something we do by sitting in our pews on Sunday morning.
00:35:27
It is something we literally practice 24th Sunday.
00:35:30
And yes, I do believe that we are called to care for those in need in our communities to do what, as I would say, to help bring the kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.
00:35:40
And so I do consider what we do to care for the poor, or in this case, the homeless,
00:35:45
to be actually part of what it is to practice our religion.
00:35:49
And so, as others have said, I do consider our opportunity to respond and meet the needs of others to be a part of practicing our religion.
00:35:59
Recently we had a project at our church where a local gas pipeline company asked to do some community service for us.
00:36:07
And as a part of that, I didn't do it.
00:36:09
I'm not one to look for headlines, but some from our church invited the local paper to come do some interviews with us and with the pipeline company to do a story about it.
00:36:20
I reference this because one of the lines that I use often that actually became a quote in the paper is that our church property is not an asset to be protected.
00:36:30
It is a resource to be shared.
00:36:32
And I think anything we can do as a church to find ways that we can help serve others in the community is our calling.
00:36:39
Now let me say, I'm not dumb.
00:36:42
I have no doubt that you are getting all kinds of feedback, all kinds of comments, all kinds of communication about topics like this from all angles.
00:36:50
I have no doubt that when there's language in things like
00:36:55
What I've read about the proposed CUP policy.
00:36:58
I'm not going to use the correct term for it, but what I've seen that you've been discussing.
00:37:03
I have no doubt that there are people that frankly are worried about the homeless maybe being in their neighborhood or staying overnight in the church.
00:37:10
But like many have said, personally, I feel it's much more organized for churches to provide this housing rather than for people to be in yards or in woods.
00:37:20
I don't mean roaming around, but at least there's some organization to it.
00:37:26
And I also feel like churches are just trying to help.
00:37:29
Now, I would love it, as others have said, if we could have homeless shelters all over the world, but in Louisa County where we serve.
00:37:38
And I would love if there was such a shelter for our church to be a part of doing whatever we could to help that be supportive towards people no longer needing to live in a homeless situation.
00:37:50
however if that's not the case the first thing we can do is help people meet their basic need food, shelter, a safe and warm and dry place to stay especially on cold nights into winter and frankly reading language in what's been I'll say proposed at this point I know nothing's gone in final that suggests that even if churches were to go through this CUP process that
00:38:16
The Planning Commission or whoever would manage that process could even begin to impose other things on churches is troubling to me.
00:38:24
I think we as a church, at least in our church, I'll admit we did not participate this past winter.
00:38:30
We have been discussing it as a church.
00:38:32
We are interested in moving forward by the time we as a church in our leadership.
00:38:36
We're involved having those discussions.
00:38:38
It was through the winter season, so we are just looking forward to staying involved for next year.
00:38:43
But we have had extensive discussions as church leadership about how we can make sure this is safe both for individuals, obviously a small number, it's typically been I think less than five for the most part throughout this winter.
00:38:57
who stay at our church and also for our church and the activities and things in our building if we need to have access, obviously supervision, things like that.
00:39:06
So as you've heard, I would add my voice to so many, which is to say, to me, this feels unnecessary.
00:39:13
And in fact, infringing on some of our ways of practicing our beliefs and what it means to be church.
00:39:18
I'm glad to answer any questions.
00:39:20
I don't know how this completely works, but I understand that my time for the most part is up.
00:39:24
So I do appreciate your attention this evening.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:39:27
Thank you.
00:39:30
Would anyone else like to speak tonight?
SPEAKER_18
00:39:39
My name is Pamela Bickley and I'm a community health worker and I work around the region and I work with Louisa and I worked with
00:39:48
Help forming the warming shelters and going to them and listening to their stories and I can tell you because I do it from the back end to the front end and if with all the cuts now with the 80% with HIV and all of that that's good and a lot of cuts with some
00:40:09
Like going to methadone clinics and everything there's going to be more people on our streets Okay, and it you can't get somebody clean if they don't have a warm bed and I worked on a program for four years at the university and
00:40:26
You know, if you, we brought them in, we put them in a hotel, a nice hotel that had brat was in dinner for them.
00:40:34
And, you know, out of that 20 game, we have eight today that are still drug free that is some of them had been on cocaine since they were 10 years old.
00:40:45
And so, but that's called the 101 housing.
00:40:49
And if you don't have a warm bed, they're not able to even try to start to understand their depression or their trauma or what they have been through.
00:41:02
And if these churches are going to offer their warming shelter, that's the first block of having a shelter one day.
00:41:11
and proceeding you know because some of the laws while we brought it up in a hotel is that we were having a hard time written apartment complex and so we did it through the hotel but if they have a warm bed at night and have structured counselors to see the next day or you know time to meet
00:41:34
You're going to see more of them willing to participate and stay clean and not go back to jail, not go back to prison because that's not driving them to death.
00:41:44
And just give these churches and what we know of our faith to be able to supply this shelter to them.
00:41:55
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:41:57
Thank you.
00:41:59
Would anyone else like to speak tonight?
00:42:04
Very well, then I will mention that I also have an email from David McWilliams that will be entered into the record for the meeting also.
00:42:14
And with that, I'm going to close the public address period.
00:42:19
And public address period is closed.
00:42:21
And we'll move on to the next item, which is unfinished business.
00:42:25
And under unfinished business, I would like to request Commissioner Goodwin, if you could restate your motion from the work session, please, so that we can put this on the record.
SPEAKER_05
00:42:41
Yes, Mr. Chairman.
00:42:43
As a result of our discussion during the work session, I move that we place the
00:42:54
of the definition and conditions of a humanitarian shelter along with the accompanying zoning matrix changes on the agenda for the July meeting.
00:43:13
I also move that we
00:43:17
Vacate, put on the July meeting for public hearing, the topic of vacating the definition of emergency shelters.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:43:32
All right, we have a motion.
00:43:32
Do we have a second?
SPEAKER_07
00:43:36
Second.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:43:38
Moved and seconded.
00:43:39
Any further discussion?
00:43:43
Very well, Ms. Johnson.
00:43:44
Can we have a roll call vote, please?
SPEAKER_14
00:43:47
Mr. Painting?
SPEAKER_17
00:43:48
Yes.
SPEAKER_14
00:43:50
Mr. Disosway?
00:43:50
Yes.
00:43:51
Mr. Dickerson?
00:43:52
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
00:43:53
Mr. Quarles?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:43:53
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
00:43:54
Mr. Goodwin?
00:43:55
Yes.
00:43:56
Mr. Kersey?
SPEAKER_26
00:43:57
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:43:58
That motion carries.
00:43:59
We'll move on now to the public hearings.
00:44:02
First item up is CUP 2025-01 Louisa properties.
00:44:09
LR 2.5 LLC and others.
00:44:14
Ms. Polycrons.
SPEAKER_19
00:44:16
All right.
00:44:28
So I'm recently married, so now I'm Mrs. Casamano.
00:44:32
Such a little name change there for you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:44:35
You're just making it hard on me now.
SPEAKER_19
00:44:37
I know, I had to go from one Mediterranean name to another.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:44:40
Very good, thank you.
SPEAKER_19
00:44:41
All right, so good evening, Chairman and members of Planning Commission.
00:44:44
My name is Kayla Casamano, and I'm an Associate Planner with Louisa County Community Development.
00:44:52
Before you tonight is a conditional use permit request for an equipment sales and rental operation and a contractor's office and shop requested by Mr. James Weber, owner of Luisa Properties, LR 1.5 and LR 2.5 LLC.
00:45:08
The property is made up of two parcels located on the north side of Louisa Road, Route 22, directly west of the intersection of Oakland Road, Route 613 in the Louisa district.
00:45:22
And it is made up of 4.0812 acres zoned commercial C2, designated rural.
00:45:30
These two parcels have been zoned commercial C2 since zoning districts were created in 1969.
00:45:40
So currently the subject property tax map 24-45, there is one vacant single family dwelling and historically tax map 2446 was used for storage and resale of secondhand items and antiques.
00:45:57
There is an existing structure on the property that is shown here that is proposed to remain to support the proposed use for contractor's office and shop.
00:46:08
The surrounding parcels are utilized as an appliance store, a lumber store across the road shown on the right on the image on the screen, and the historic Travillian Battlefield Station on the left just across from the railroad tracks.
00:46:23
The parcel adjoining the property to the west, or behind me in these photos, would be the Travillian refuse site.
00:46:33
The applicant's concept plan proposes an additional 4,000 square foot structure to be constructed to support the proposed use of equipment sales and rental.
00:46:42
The building is planned to be served by a new commercial entrance off of Route 33.
00:46:46
The existing entrance at the eastern portion of the property is planned to remain.
00:46:52
The site will have on-site parking to support proposed uses and to allow for outdoor storage of equipment.
00:46:58
The site is designed to have multiple gravel outdoor storage areas as indicated by the green stars on the screen.
00:47:07
The applicant is present tonight to give additional information on the concept plan as needed.
00:47:15
Staff believes that this business would provide essential goods and services and support to the surrounding area by providing essential equipment to farmers, homeowners, commercial contractors, and would address the current challenge of diminishing support systems for agricultural supplies, as stated on the screen and shown on the 2040 comprehensive plan.
00:47:39
Both the applicant and staff believe that the impact of these conditioned uses would be minimal to Louisa County public facilities.
00:47:47
Further detail on this can be found on page 10 of your packet.
00:47:51
The neighborhood meeting held on March 12th only had one neighbor in attendance who expressed concern about the importance of maintaining the existing vegetative buffer between the historic Travillian Station battlefield at the rear of the property.
00:48:06
Those concerns have been addressed by recommended conditions number 5 and number 6 on page 12 of your packet.
00:48:15
So this concludes my portion of the presentation.
00:48:17
The applicant is present tonight.
00:48:19
They do have a brief presentation to give, and I stand ready to answer any questions you may have.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:48:24
Are there any questions for staff at this time?
SPEAKER_05
00:48:29
Mr.
00:48:29
Chair.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:48:29
Mr. Goodwin.
SPEAKER_05
00:48:32
Packet page 7 refers to a waiver for setbacks.
00:48:43
I understand that is not part of our discussion or consideration tonight.
00:48:48
No, sir.
00:48:49
Okay.
00:48:54
Packet page 12, referring to paragraph 6, buffers.
00:49:02
Not really a fair question for you, but I'm wondering when we've had several discussions about changing the application process whereby the applicant submits a landscape plan for approval.
00:49:20
When can we expect the language in the
00:49:25
application to change.
00:49:27
It's been on our agenda now, at least discussion agenda, for I'd say close to a year.
00:49:36
And yet we're still involved in trying to do landscape planning and community development.
SPEAKER_19
00:49:47
I will refer to the zoning administrator on that one.
SPEAKER_15
00:49:50
Those amendments were part of the phase three amendments that went to public hearing with the Board of Supervisors at the June 2nd meeting, and they were tabled and will be back on the board's agenda for further discussion and hopefully decision on Monday the 16th, this coming Monday.
SPEAKER_05
00:50:14
Okay.
00:50:15
All right, I get the follow-up.
00:50:17
So it is on track, but not ready for prime time.
SPEAKER_17
00:50:21
Correct.
SPEAKER_05
00:50:22
Good.
00:50:22
We're close.
00:50:24
And I, one final?
SPEAKER_04
00:50:26
Mr. Goodman.
SPEAKER_05
00:50:27
Actually, I've got another one.
00:50:30
We don't have any reference in the conditions to any architectural expectations.
00:50:40
Other things, we refer to whatever's in place, we say section, da, da, da, da, da, covers this information, but we don't see anything about architectural requirements or references to them in this particular application.
SPEAKER_19
00:50:55
Not for this one because it is outside of a growth area.
00:50:57
We don't have anything in our code for an architectural rendering requirement like you would if it was in a growth area for earth tones or whatnot.
00:51:08
But if that's a condition that you want to bring up, the applicant's willing to discuss it.
SPEAKER_05
00:51:16
Mr.
00:51:17
Chair, just to follow up on that, when I'm not prepared to discuss it tonight, I'm just, I was prepared to wonder about it.
00:51:25
I mean, because it's pretty much wide open of what you can build.
00:51:31
Okay, that's a comment.
00:51:35
Last thing, packing page 24.
00:51:42
This is not your work, this is the work of SHMP Engineering and it says under project proposal line 3 and 4 the owner requests two conditional use permits.
00:51:59
One for contractor's office and shop, one for equipment sales and rental.
00:52:06
Is he mistaken and we can take care of this in one CUP?
SPEAKER_19
00:52:12
It's for both uses for both parcels.
SPEAKER_05
00:52:17
I'm just reading what he says.
00:52:20
The owner is requesting two CUPs, one for the contractor's office and shop, one for equipment sales and rental.
SPEAKER_08
00:52:31
but we only have one.
SPEAKER_19
00:52:32
We can, I mean, we can do it on the same one.
SPEAKER_15
00:52:35
I was gonna say historically we have allowed multiple uses under one conditional use permit with one set of conditions.
00:52:46
We could defer to the county attorney if there are any legal questions about that processing but historically we have allowed multiple uses to be processed through one condition.
SPEAKER_05
00:53:00
Okay, I just want to make sure that we didn't have a disconnect there.
00:53:11
Thank you very much, thank you, and thank you Mr.
00:53:13
Chair.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:53:16
Very well then I'm going to open the public comment period.
00:53:21
Public comment period is open as is our custom.
00:53:24
The first speaker during the public comment period is the applicant who will have 10 minutes to make the presentation and then we'll move to the public part of the public comment period.
SPEAKER_23
00:53:39
Good evening, Chair Disosway, members of the Planning Commission.
00:53:45
My name is Kelsey Schlein.
00:53:46
I'm a planner with Shimp Engineering.
00:53:49
I'm here tonight representing Louisa Properties LR 2.5 LLC and Louisa Properties LR 1.5 LLC.
00:53:58
The applicant, Mr. Jim Weber and his wife Dawn, are also in attendance tonight and so available for any questions that you might have.
00:54:08
So thank you Kayla and Tom for all your work on this application.
00:54:13
I think that we've, in working with staff, have a good application and proposal that we hope we can get your support on tonight.
00:54:24
Mr. Weber operates, he has a segmental wall, retaining wall business operating out of Northern Virginia.
00:54:33
He acquired this property and intends to use it for contractors, office, and shop, and for rental sales and equipment likely to something that you might see from like a Sunbelt rentals or a similar type of user on the property.
00:54:50
Kayla kind of already, you know, went over the site and I'm sure you all are familiar with it but in the in the Travillians area which this portion of Travillians has a mixture of uses of industrial commercial and it's this kind of cluster of business activity largely surrounded by agricultural uses and so we feel that you know this is an ideal location
00:55:16
The site distance along the front of the property to get vehicles in and out safely is excellent.
00:55:24
And the location just kind of being eight minutes from the town of Louisa is very ideal.
00:55:30
Also, it being clustered around other commercial users is really ideal and supportive for these type of users.
00:55:37
And so summary of the request.
00:55:42
So we're requesting conditional use permit for contractor's office and shop and equipment sales and rental.
00:55:48
The existing structure on the property is proposed to remain.
00:55:50
If you've driven by recently, Mr. Weber's already trying to clean up the property a little bit by re-facing the existing building.
00:56:00
A new 4,000 square foot building is proposed in the northwest property corner.
00:56:06
And as you all discussed, an administrative waiver for a setback reduction is being pursued concurrently.
00:56:12
That we'll be working through with staff.
00:56:15
As you can see with our concept plan, we're dealing with a very long and narrow parcel.
00:56:21
And so given the setback requirements in this area, we're needing to pursue the 20% reduction.
00:56:29
And we'll work through that with staff if this application hopefully continues to move forward.
00:56:35
And I also just want to note all the, as Kayla did, just the consistencies with the comprehensive plan, with the application.
00:56:45
This type of user is kind of really supportive of the agricultural economy, obviously is going to grow the business tax base in Louisa and contribute to making a property that has
00:57:01
Let's get through the public address part and then we'll come back for questions.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:57:22
Okay, wonderful.
SPEAKER_23
00:57:27
Thank you for the opportunity.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
00:57:30
Would anyone like to come forward and speak on this particular CEP?
00:57:42
Please state your name and your voting district.
SPEAKER_25
00:57:46
I live in Prince William County, so I guess I really can't vote here.
00:57:50
But I don't know if you remember the site before I bought it.
00:57:54
I mean, I didn't really know what I was getting into.
00:58:00
Cleaning it up, if you guys remember, it was junk everywhere.
00:58:04
It probably took me 25 dumpsters to get the stuff out of there.
00:58:09
I think we made a big improvement just from getting that trash out of there.
00:58:15
Finally, we've got someone that would take that bus.
00:58:18
But my long-term plan is to get this place looking good.
00:58:22
Like I said, I'm just putting all new metal on it.
00:58:25
That should be done in about three weeks.
00:58:29
So we took off all that old metal, put on new metal.
00:58:34
like a charcoal gray or light gray with charcoal wings coating halfway up.
00:58:40
It's going to look good.
00:58:41
It's going to make that whole area different looking.
00:58:44
In my company we do pavers.
00:58:46
So in the little parking area I'll put interlocking pavers on the sides.
00:58:53
It's going to look, it's going to make it look a lot nicer.
00:58:57
Also, we build retaining walls.
00:58:59
Well, Louisa has a lot of retaining walls coming.
00:59:02
That's kind of why I wanted to put that 4,000 square foot building, because we are going to be bidding a lot of the retaining walls in this area.
00:59:11
So it would help us out a lot to be this close to Louisa.
00:59:16
And there are a lot of good workers in Louisa that I've met since fixing up
00:59:23
Building, they come along and I'm amazed at how hard of workers they are.
00:59:29
I could probably utilize some of them, which I would have never thought, but they're actually really hard workers here.
00:59:35
As far as plantings, everything I buy I make look nice.
00:59:40
I mean, I buy a lot in Front Royal.
00:59:43
And if you went there, I bought places like that, turned them into like eight unit apartments, dressed it all up, worked with the county.
00:59:52
I had the parking, it used to be on 55.
00:59:56
I reversed it and had everybody so they had to go through the back.
01:00:00
So I worked with the county.
01:00:02
If you guys really wanted something, we'll do it.
01:00:05
But I really think it would help you guys too because it wouldn't be such an eyesore like it is right now.
01:00:13
And that's I guess all I have to say.
01:00:15
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:00:19
Would anyone else like to speak?
01:00:24
Very well, then the last speaker is always the applicant who can address anything that they've heard during the time.
01:00:33
And since we didn't hear from anyone else, then I'll just close public comment period on this.
01:00:39
And we'll bring this back to the commission for discussion.
SPEAKER_05
01:00:44
Question for the applicant, Mr.
01:00:46
Chair.
01:00:50
Question for the applicant.
01:00:55
I thought you were... No, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_23
01:00:58
Sorry, sorry about that.
SPEAKER_05
01:01:00
Talk to me about the need for a second entrance.
01:01:04
We have one there that's been used.
01:01:07
Why do we need a new entrance on 33, which is a major thoroughfare?
SPEAKER_23
01:01:11
Sure.
01:01:12
So it has to do just kind of with the
01:01:17
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:20
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:23
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:29
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:31
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:35
Thank you so much for having me.
01:01:39
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_07
01:01:46
Mr. Dickerson, the proposed new entrance, there seems to be a temporary gravel entrance there now.
01:01:58
How close to that gravel entrance is the new proposed entrance?
SPEAKER_23
01:02:01
The new entrance to meet site distance requirements is likely going to have to shift to the east about a hundred feet or so.
SPEAKER_07
01:02:12
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:02:21
Any other questions from the Commission?
01:02:28
Very well hearing none, the Chair would be looking for a motion, Mr. Kersey.
SPEAKER_26
01:02:34
Mr. Chairman, I had an opportunity to talk to the applicant.
01:02:37
I think we will have a good product put together on this site.
01:02:42
I would move that this be approved with the conditions, the eight laid out by the county staff.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:02:51
have motion to approve CEP 2025-01 with conditions stated.
SPEAKER_05
01:02:58
Do I have a second?
01:03:00
Second.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:03:02
Moved and seconded.
01:03:03
Any further discussion on this?
01:03:07
Very well.
01:03:08
Miss Johnson, can we have a roll call vote please?
SPEAKER_14
01:03:11
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:03:14
Yes.
01:03:15
Yes.
01:03:17
Yes.
01:03:20
Yes.
01:03:22
Very good.
01:03:23
CUP 2025-01 is recommended for approval.
01:03:29
Move on now to CUP 2025-03 builders cabinet companies.
01:03:36
I've got to write the name down because I can't remember.
SPEAKER_19
01:03:39
It's on the screen.
01:03:41
I got it on the screen for you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:03:43
Ms. Casimano.
01:03:45
Perfect.
01:03:46
Great.
SPEAKER_11
01:03:46
I can't keep up.
SPEAKER_19
01:04:00
All right, so good evening again, Mr. Chairman and members of the Planning Commission.
SPEAKER_18
01:04:04
My name is Kayla Cosimano and I'm an associate planner with Louisa County Community Development.
SPEAKER_19
01:04:10
Before you tonight is a conditional use permit request for a custom manufacturing use of cabinets and countertops in a contractor's office and shop requested by Mr. Joey Bryant, owner of Builders Cabinet Company.
01:04:24
The property is located on the east side of Belmeade Road, Route 701 in the Jackson District, and is made up of 6.09 acres zoned Agricultural A2, designated rural.
01:04:38
This application was initially for a home occupation Class A as a secondary use to the applicant's primary residence next door.
01:04:47
However, after further concept design, the applicant felt the carpentry workshop would work better on the adjacent parcel that he owns, thus prompting the requirement for a conditional use permit.
01:05:01
The applicant currently operates his business in Richmond, Virginia.
01:05:05
Builder's Cabinet Company offers custom cabinetry and countertops for purchase and installation.
01:05:11
Example of Mr. Bryant's work that is proposed to be manufactured on site can be found on page 76 of your staff report.
01:05:20
The applicant is proposing business operations take place inside a 4800 square foot building about 650 feet more or less set back off of Belmeade Road as indicated by the star on the screen.
01:05:36
Mr. Bryant anticipates leaving existing vegetative buffer less necessary for clearing of the building.
01:05:42
While the subject property is designated rural area outside of a growth area, staff believes that the business would provide essential goods services and support to the surrounding area, which is mostly agricultural and neighborhood oriented.
01:06:00
Staff believes the proposed use would not impact the rural character of the area as the applicant will have little to no traffic to the site as his business is delivery based.
01:06:10
The recommended conditions number one, two, five, and six on page 58 and 59 of your staff report address maintaining rural character and recommended condition number four will require an administrative site plan to ensure that development standards set by the code are met.
01:06:32
Both the applicant and staff believe that the impact of these conditional uses, custom manufacturing for cabinet and carpentry and contractor's office and shop would be minimal to Louisa County public facilities.
01:06:44
Further detail can be found on page 57 of your staff report.
01:06:49
The neighborhood meeting held on May 21 had no neighbors in attendance and staff has not received any calls regarding the zoning action.
01:07:00
So this concludes my presentation.
01:07:02
The applicant, Mr. Bryant, is present tonight to speak and I stand ready to answer any questions you may have.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:07:09
Are there any questions for the staff at this time?
01:07:15
Very well, then we will move on to the public address period.
01:07:21
Public address or public comment period is open.
01:07:24
And the first speaker and public comment period is the applicant.
01:07:30
Please come forward and you'll have 10 minutes to make your presentation.
SPEAKER_01
01:07:36
Basically, we're just going to create a workshop on the property, our shop, we've been in business enrichment for
01:07:47
I've been doing it for about 40 or 50 years.
01:07:50
I've been around it 50 years.
01:07:52
I've been living it for 40.
01:07:53
My son who currently lives near on this, you know, similar property is following in my footsteps.
01:08:01
But
01:08:03
against my recommendations as I did with my father.
01:08:06
But anyway, that's what we're just trying to do.
01:08:09
We do a lot of assembly work.
01:08:11
And we do do custom work as well.
01:08:14
So the shop would be there for that.
01:08:18
We don't have most of the
01:08:21
One concern I had heard was a lot of people coming to the shop and most of our work is actually done presentations, designs and stuff like that are done usually at the people's homes that we would be dealing with.
01:08:38
So it wouldn't be a lot of increased traffic on Belle Meade with people coming to the shop.
01:08:45
Basically we serve commercial and residential and you know small commercial work and residential work so it could be a benefit to the county to have a local shop around.
01:08:59
That's all I've got unless you guys have some questions for me.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:09:03
Let's continue with a public comment first before we get back to that.
01:09:07
Thank you sir.
01:09:09
Would anyone like to step forward and speak on this application?
01:09:19
Very well then, seeing none, with no need for the applicant to speak about what he's heard since there won't be anything to hear, we're going to close the public comment period.
01:09:31
So the public comment period is closed, and we'll bring it back to the Commission for discussion.
01:09:38
Any comments or discussion items from the Commission?
01:09:52
Very well.
01:09:53
Then, hearing none, Mr. Painting, the Chair would be looking for emotion on this.
01:09:59
Very well.
01:10:00
Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER_17
01:10:02
I met with Miss Bryan on his property and the proposed shop is over 600 feet from Bell Mead Road.
01:10:10
It's completely enveloped in a mature forest.
01:10:14
It's
01:10:16
would be advantageous to the community to have his skill set in that area.
01:10:21
So I'd like to make a motion to approve the conditional use permit number
01:10:26
2025-03 for Mr. Bryant to operate a custom manufacturing and contractors office and shop with the eight conditions recommended by staff.
SPEAKER_07
01:10:37
Second.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:10:38
Motion and second to recommend CUP 2025-034 approval.
01:10:45
Any further comment on this?
01:10:49
Very well.
01:10:50
Ms. Johnson, can we have a roll call vote, please?
01:10:54
Mr. Painting?
SPEAKER_14
01:10:54
Yes.
01:10:56
Mr. Disosway?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:10:56
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
01:10:58
Yes.
01:10:59
Yes.
01:11:02
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:11:03
Very well.
01:11:04
The CUP is recommended for approval.
01:11:08
And we'll move on now to see if he 2025 days here for this custom on us.
SPEAKER_19
01:11:18
You got it better.
01:11:21
I just have to do three cases back to back.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:11:26
July is going to be another month, though, I'm afraid.
SPEAKER_19
01:11:39
All right, so good evening, Chairman and members of Planning Commission.
SPEAKER_18
01:11:42
My name is Kayla Casamano, and I am an associate planner with Louisa County Community Development.
SPEAKER_19
01:11:48
Before you tonight is a conditional use permit request for a utility service major for a natural gas unloading station requested by Columbia Gas Transmission LLC and Vanguard Renewables LLC.
01:12:02
The property is in the southeastern quadrant of the intersection of Brickhouse Road Route 637 and Poindexter Road Route 613 in the Patrick Henry district.
01:12:13
And it is 5.6 acres zoned Agricultural A2 designated as rural.
01:12:20
It is important to note that the parcel is adjacent to the Green Springs Historic District.
01:12:29
Currently on the adjacent parcel, Tax Map 3745, there is an operating compressor station that is owned by Columbia Gas Transmission LLC.
01:12:40
In 2017, a conditional use permit was granted by the Board of Supervisors to expand that compressor station with 19 conditions that are listed on pages 266 and 267 of your packet.
01:12:58
On this screen you will see the current landscape of the area.
01:13:02
The yellow star indicates the view facing east on Brickhouse Road.
01:13:06
Clearing for the existing pipeline is on the right of that photo and Quaker Hill Farm is on the left of that photo.
01:13:14
The blue star indicates the existing entrance to the existing facility.
01:13:18
and captures the line of sight facing west on Brickhouse Road.
01:13:23
The applicants are proposing a new facility and an additional entrance to be placed between the two stars on Tax Map 37-44.
01:13:37
The applicant's narrative proposes an unmanned offloading facility for renewable natural gas to be transported to and injected into the pipeline twice a day, seven days a week, for the purpose of transmitting gas throughout the region.
SPEAKER_18
01:13:54
The developed area of the site is proposed to be just under an acre.
SPEAKER_19
01:13:58
The concept plan as shown on the screen and printed out separately for you measures the front setbacks off of Brickhouse Road at 48 feet with the existing vegetation and proposed additional landscaping of double staggered rows of eight foot evergreen trees to be added between the driveway and the facility.
01:14:19
Using the GIS, we've measured existing vegetation between the existing clearing where the pipeline is
01:14:26
and the adjacent parcel at 140 feet more or less.
01:14:31
A couple of hours ago the applicants submitted an additional concept plan to staff that is not in your packet but has been printed out for you and is shown on the screen here.
01:14:43
The applicants are present tonight to give additional information on this concept plan and operations as needed.
01:14:54
Both the applicant and staff believe the impact of these condition uses would be minimal to Louisa County public facilities.
01:15:00
Further detail of this can be found on your staff report in page 102 of your packet.
01:15:10
The neighborhood meeting held on May 21st had four neighbors from the Green Springs Historic District in attendance.
01:15:18
Staff additionally received written correspondence and calls from four additional neighbors who were unable to attend.
01:15:25
The questions and concerns brought up were centered around visual screening and existing road conditions and traffic.
01:15:33
These questions and answers from the applicants can be found on page 83 of your packet.
01:15:42
Staff would like to clarify a statement made by the applicant at the meeting where they advised neighbors that they would have to, quote, go through the entire CUP process again if there were to be future expansion.
01:15:54
If this CUP request were to be approved, the use would be for the entire parcel.
01:15:59
If there were to be future expansion of this site, a public hearing would not be required unless an additional use not permitted or covered under the scope of a major utility service is requested.
01:16:13
or an approved condition needed amending.
01:16:16
Future expansion would require a site plan review just by staff and or a state agency review.
01:16:25
This concludes my presentation.
01:16:26
The applicant is present tonight.
01:16:28
They have prepared a presentation as well to give you, but I do stand ready to answer any questions you may have.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:16:34
Are there any questions for staff at this time?
01:16:40
Very well, then I'm going to open public comment period.
01:16:44
Public comment period is open.
01:16:46
The first speaker is the applicant.
01:16:50
If you would come forward, please.
01:16:51
You'll have 10 minutes to make your presentation.
SPEAKER_22
01:16:54
Good evening, Chair.
01:16:55
Good evening, Board.
01:16:56
My name is Dario Rafiza.
01:16:57
I am from Vanguard Renewables.
SPEAKER_20
01:17:00
OK, how is this?
01:17:02
Is it just down?
01:17:04
Perfect.
SPEAKER_22
01:17:05
So what we're proposing tonight is a virtual pipeline on the parcel.
01:17:10
Basically, what a virtual pipeline is, we have a dairy that we're working with in Amelia County.
01:17:16
We're producing renewable natural gas.
01:17:19
What we're proposing to do is bring compressed natural gas from that facility to the TCE site to inject the RNG into the transmission line.
01:17:29
Basically how this would work is the trailers are filled up at the RNG facility in Amelia County and be transported to Louisa County and then when the truck pulls in it would sit there for about roughly three hours while the trailer is unloaded so the driver will be present while the trailer unloading is happening.
01:17:45
When the truck's empty the truck will leave, go back to Amelia County, get another trailer that's been filled and bring it back so right now we're looking at two trips a day for seven days a week.
01:17:57
The trucking route that we have currently comes down off Brickhouse Road.
01:18:01
We were staying away from Poindexter Road, so we just wanted to make sure that was known.
01:18:08
Currently, based on the new site plan that we submitted this morning, we tried to be more conscientious of the buffer.
01:18:16
So we added more vegetation so that you could not see this M&R station from the road.
01:18:22
As you can see, you have a house across the street.
01:18:25
So we tried to add more vegetation on that side to block the view of the M&R and then the house.
SPEAKER_20
01:18:31
to the right on the plan over here.
SPEAKER_22
01:18:33
Right now, the buffer is about 21 feet on that side, and you have about 24 feet on the Brickhouse roadside vegetation.
01:18:46
So basically, this explains the process of how the renewable natural gas happens.
01:18:50
So the organics are collected and centrally pumped to a truck.
01:18:54
Therefore, they're sent from that truck to the injection station, and then they're compressed into the injection line.
01:19:03
The partner that we partner up with from a logistics standpoint, they have one of the highest ratings in the trucking industry for Hazmat.
01:19:10
They've won numerous safety awards.
01:19:12
Safety is a big priority of our company.
01:19:17
Going back, let's see.
01:19:21
It's, the trucks are about 53 feet long as they're coming into the facility.
01:19:25
These are just pictures of the truck.
01:19:27
As you can see in the customized logistics logo, that's sort of, you can see the unload station in the back over there.
01:19:32
That's what basically this station looks like as the trucks are being emptied.
01:19:38
This talks about the safety record of the trucking company we partner with.
01:19:41
As you can see, they have zero recordable injuries, zero vehicle incidents.
01:19:47
That's one of the reasons that we propose the 7 AM to 7 PM operation hours, because truck safety is a big proponent of what we're all about.
01:19:56
And that's all I got.
01:20:00
Any questions?
SPEAKER_17
01:20:02
Let me get the other comments, and then we'll come back.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:20:06
Very well.
01:20:06
Would anyone else like to speak on this, please come forward and state your name and your voting location.
01:20:14
You can miss Miss Cusimano will get it.
01:20:19
Okay.
SPEAKER_09
01:20:27
My name is Abby Fossberg.
01:20:30
I own 83 Brook House Road.
01:20:32
I don't live here at the moment.
01:20:34
I rent it currently, but the idea was to retire down into that beautiful agricultural area.
01:20:41
My house is the house directly across from the brand new driveway.
01:20:47
Currently, there is a pretty large wood buffer.
01:20:51
You can't see the gas.
01:20:53
The current gas facility at all.
01:20:56
With the new driveway, it would be completely visible.
01:20:59
It's literally, can you put that up at all?
01:21:04
It's literally directly across from my house.
01:21:07
We'd just look into the and watch the trucks go back and forth.
01:21:10
So I think it would very negatively impact the value of my house and the feeling that
01:21:20
the reason I bought the house.
01:21:22
Secondly, the trucking coming down Brickhouse Road, you know it's a small winding road.
01:21:29
You said you wanted to avoid Poindexter, but it seems to me it makes much more sense to come up Poindexter and take a right-hand turn at the corner, not even get on Brickhouse Road as opposed to having to take a left-hand turn with those big trucks on Brickhouse Road after you've been winding around.
01:21:45
So I see
01:21:48
Would anyone else like to speak on this?
SPEAKER_07
01:22:13
Please come forward.
SPEAKER_13
01:22:22
Thank you.
01:22:25
My name is Lynn Sigman.
01:22:27
I live at 615 Brickhouse Road, roughly a quarter mile from the proposed site.
01:22:34
I've never noticed any disruption with the current business that's there.
01:22:40
I bought my house knowing it was there.
01:22:43
However, with my neighbors' concerns,
01:22:50
Those big trucks on Brickhouse Road, I'm telling you guys, that's going to cause problems.
01:22:57
It's a very windy road, it's very narrow, doesn't have a double line.
01:23:02
The pictures of those trucks, those are 18-wheelers.
01:23:06
I mean, it really doesn't look like a good idea to me.
01:23:11
And honestly, that is my only real concern as far as this proposal.
01:23:19
So I really hope you guys take a good look at that.
01:23:22
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:23:23
Thank you.
01:23:25
Would anyone else like to speak?
01:23:30
Very well then.
01:23:31
The applicant has five minutes at the end here before I close to address anything he's heard from public during the comments.
SPEAKER_22
01:23:44
Sure.
01:23:45
As far as gas, there is no odor that comes off this facility.
01:23:49
The trucking route, basically we're down to Brickhouse or Poindexter, so we thought Brickhouse would be the better road to come down than Poindexter.
01:23:56
Again, we're open to either, but we were looking at Brickhouse originally.
01:24:01
As far as the landscaping on the house across the street, we tried to do as much as possible to add a buffer, vegetation to hide the station as much as possible.
01:24:12
Any questions?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:24:14
That's all right.
01:24:15
We'll get back to you.
01:24:16
All right, very well then.
01:24:18
Public comment period is closed.
01:24:19
I'm going to bring it back to the commission for questions and comments.
SPEAKER_08
01:24:27
Mr. Quarles.
01:24:31
Mr.
01:24:31
Chair, I guess this question is a series of questions for the applicant.
01:24:42
We have numerous changes in this application, and I understand that there was one today.
01:24:50
It seems to be the hours of operation have changed since we sat down and talked.
01:25:01
You're seven to seven now, and then the last one was 6.30 before, wasn't it?
01:25:11
And then seven days a week, where we had talked last week was seven and then six days a week.
01:25:20
Why the changes?
01:25:23
Maybe you can help me with that.
SPEAKER_19
01:25:26
So the application has always been for seven days a week.
01:25:33
The parcel next door is the one that is only operating six days a week.
01:25:39
And that was part of our recommended conditions by staff.
01:25:43
So the applicant is still proposing seven days a week, seven to seven.
01:25:49
Staff is recommending six days a week, seven to 6.30pm.
SPEAKER_08
01:26:04
And you need the seven days a week?
SPEAKER_22
01:26:07
So the reason for the seven days is because to keep the trucks, because it's one truck that's going back and forth.
01:26:12
So it's to keep the truck on a rotation.
01:26:14
And patterns also help reduce accidents, incidents, things like that.
01:26:19
Do the staff recommendations, we'd be open to going to six days.
01:26:25
The only thing that I would ask if it was possible to reconsider, maybe on Sunday we could do a shorter window just so one trailer could come in maybe in the late afternoon.
01:26:33
We're open to that.
SPEAKER_08
01:26:35
That would still be seven days.
SPEAKER_22
01:26:36
It would be.
SPEAKER_08
01:26:42
And you said you'd be open to what hours?
SPEAKER_22
01:26:46
So staff recommendation is 7 to 6 30 p.m. and we would be open to that.
01:26:55
And Sunday's exclusion would be what?
01:26:59
We could be open to that too.
SPEAKER_18
01:27:02
Sorry, I'm going to interrupt you.
SPEAKER_19
01:27:03
I was just made aware of a correction.
01:27:06
It's seven to seven per condition number four that we're recommending.
01:27:10
The construction is seven to six thirty p.m. that we're recommending.
01:27:15
Okay.
01:27:16
Sorry, I got those two mixed up.
SPEAKER_08
01:27:18
All right.
01:27:20
But the operation is still seven days a week.
SPEAKER_22
01:27:23
We would be open to the six-day operation.
01:27:26
As I said, it just helps logistically if we could have a smaller window on Sunday.
01:27:30
But if that's not possible, we're open to the six days.
01:27:33
We would just have to fit in another two trailers during that six days.
01:27:38
Because if you're doing two trailers a day, there'd be a day or two where we'd have to get three in to make up for those two days.
SPEAKER_08
01:27:49
That's all for now, Mr. Chairman.
SPEAKER_05
01:27:53
Mr. Goodwin.
01:27:56
I don't know how this discussion is going to go.
01:27:58
My preference would be if you go with one delivery on Sunday that it be Sunday afternoon and we're not bothering people's Sunday morning services.
SPEAKER_22
01:28:11
I totally agree with that.
SPEAKER_05
01:28:12
It is a very rural area of the county and
01:28:16
It can be disruptive.
01:28:22
Have you looked at, is it possible to put a curve in your drive, your entrance driveway so that it blocks this false bird?
01:28:33
Am I correct?
01:28:34
So it blocks her view so that it comes in on a gradual curve to get around to the back where the offload is instead of a straight in?
SPEAKER_22
01:28:42
Yes, we would be open to that.
01:28:44
As long as the truck, the sweat path analysis on that could make the turn, we would be open to that.
SPEAKER_05
01:28:48
Absolutely.
01:28:49
And can I kind of do this open style?
01:28:54
Sure.
01:28:54
Ms. Foster, would that satisfy you if he would have put like a curve in there as they went in?
SPEAKER_09
01:29:01
Well, that would.
01:29:04
I mean, I'd refer that to what's now.
01:29:07
But once you get to the problem with Brickhouse Road, if you're going to address that, what I would suggest, and this is a complete redesign,
01:29:16
making a turn, a right-hand turn off of Poindexter, never even going on to Poindexter, which would be, which would then, you know, that you wouldn't need that because there's nothing across the street from that little piece of land they owned right on Poindexter.
01:29:31
So that's what, that would be my ideal, to come in on Poindexter, avoid Brickhouse altogether, particularly the left-hand turn.
SPEAKER_05
01:29:39
Okay, thank you.
01:29:41
Mr.
01:29:41
Chair, follow up.
01:29:43
So, not all is going to get what we want out of this.
01:29:47
You're agreeable to working with her on the driveway entrance.
01:29:51
Yes.
01:29:51
And staff, can you all work with the two of them to come up with something that's, I'm the compromiser in this bus.
SPEAKER_22
01:30:05
If you could move the driveway, would you be open to that?
SPEAKER_07
01:30:29
Chairman and members of the Commission,
SPEAKER_21
01:30:46
One detail we do need to remember as we're talking about moving the driveway around is safety is paramount to the facility.
01:30:57
We want to make sure that emergency services has proper access.
SPEAKER_20
01:31:01
The NFPA, which is the Fire Protection Association,
SPEAKER_21
01:31:05
does have standards as far as how far a fire truck is able to pull into a site and more specifically back out of a site.
01:31:14
Firefighters don't like backing up too far pretty much.
01:31:17
So we have shown the preliminary site plan to the local fire district.
01:31:23
ahead of submitting the administrative site plan just to make sure that they had a chance to look at it.
01:31:28
And we're in agreement that what we're currently proposing does meet their standards.
01:31:33
So while we are amenable to adjusting the driveway and making sure this is a solution for everybody, I do want to keep that one item visible for everybody as well.
01:31:43
Mr.
SPEAKER_05
01:31:44
Chair, I feel pretty certain if we can get a 54-foot truck in there, we can get a fire truck in there.
01:31:51
I would ask again that you and staff work together to see if we can't redesign that driveway so it's not a straight-in pipe from Ms. Fallsberg's house to the business itself.
01:32:07
If we can do that, I would really appreciate it.
01:32:10
I have one more question for the applicant.
01:32:14
I noticed that this is going to be monitored like full-time 24, I think 24-7 monitored.
01:32:22
That's correct.
01:32:22
I assume that's electronic monitoring.
01:32:24
Yes, sir.
01:32:25
What I don't see in here, sir, is any mention of automated emergency shutoff or fire suppression.
SPEAKER_22
01:32:34
So the emergency shutoffs they are in, that will be the case electronically.
SPEAKER_05
01:32:40
So it will happen without off-site interference?
01:32:46
Yes, that's correct.
01:32:47
Okay, I just didn't see it anywhere in here.
SPEAKER_22
01:32:49
That's all built into the electronic system.
SPEAKER_05
01:32:51
And that's all I've got and I really appreciate you working with Ms. Valsberg and staff on that and thank you Mr. Chairman.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:33:00
Mr. Quarles.
SPEAKER_05
01:33:03
Thank you Mr.
01:33:03
Chair.
SPEAKER_08
01:33:05
Tell me about the, we're wanting to make a left turn as opposed to a right turn, correct?
01:33:15
The right turn would be from Pondexter.
SPEAKER_22
01:33:19
Yes.
SPEAKER_08
01:33:19
And the left turn would be?
SPEAKER_22
01:33:22
Do you mind if I pull the plan back up?
SPEAKER_11
01:33:23
Sure.
SPEAKER_22
01:33:33
So if we're looking at this plan, Poindexter is to your left.
01:33:39
So what was your question, sir?
SPEAKER_08
01:33:40
So my question is why, I know that there's a difference in the roads.
01:33:45
Poindexter has a double line, is that correct?
01:33:48
That's correct.
01:33:48
And the other is a much smaller road.
SPEAKER_22
01:33:53
Yes.
SPEAKER_08
01:33:55
Speak to me about why we're taking a tractor trailer from a double line road to a non-marked road.
SPEAKER_22
01:34:05
So originally when we started speaking to the county about this, the idea was to stay off Poindexter because of the historical district, and it was to come off Brick House.
01:34:14
But we are open to either route.
SPEAKER_08
01:34:20
Historical district versus safety?
01:34:23
I mean, I don't know.
01:34:25
I'm kind of getting the feeling from the residents that if you're driving down Brick House, it may be a possibility that the road's not wide enough for a tractor trailer and a would-be truck or car.
SPEAKER_22
01:34:39
Is that…?
01:34:40
I'm not a traffic expert, but I understand what you're saying.
01:34:46
Yes.
SPEAKER_19
01:34:48
I'm going to pull up the photos of the current position.
SPEAKER_22
01:34:58
Okay.
01:34:58
Is that Point Dexter?
SPEAKER_19
01:35:01
No, that's Brick House Road.
SPEAKER_22
01:35:02
Okay.
SPEAKER_13
01:35:03
But that's not Brick House Road.
SPEAKER_19
01:35:05
Where the yellow star is.
SPEAKER_13
01:35:07
That is the beginning of Brick House Road when it first comes from Point Dexter.
01:35:12
But that's just the first strip.
01:35:14
It's right after that.
01:35:16
It goes up and down and around and around and if it is enough.
01:35:19
So you're amenable to using Pondexter.
SPEAKER_22
01:35:43
That's correct.
SPEAKER_08
01:35:44
You vacated that because of a historical?
SPEAKER_22
01:35:48
Because of the historical district.
01:35:57
When we were first meeting with the county, one of the things that came up was it was suggested that it would be better to come down Brickhouse than it would be to come off Poindexter.
01:36:05
So we ended up sticking to Brickhouse.
01:36:12
The way the driveway is designed is the driveway can come from the left or the right.
01:36:24
So the issue with coming off Poindexter, like right off Poindexter and not making a right onto Brickhouse, is you'd have to cross the pipeline that's there.
01:36:32
Give me one second.
SPEAKER_08
01:36:35
Mr.
01:36:35
Chair, Tom, can you address?
SPEAKER_19
01:36:43
Yes, Mr. Quarles.
SPEAKER_08
01:36:48
Staff recommended this brick house entrance versus a pond extra.
01:36:55
It would be taken 53 foot trailer down a non-marked road versus a double lined state road.
01:37:08
Why is that suggested?
01:37:09
It doesn't make sense to me.
SPEAKER_19
01:37:13
We're not traffic engineers with staff.
01:37:18
We go with what is provided on an application to us.
01:37:21
It was always down Brickhouse Road.
01:37:25
The concept plan submitted by Bowler Engineering, which is what we have been looking with until 3 p.m. this afternoon, was always off of Brickhouse Road.
01:37:37
In pre-application discussions,
01:37:41
We asked for an S curve to be put in due to screening.
01:37:47
The engineers in the meeting advised us that was not possible.
01:37:56
The neighborhood meeting had several concerns.
01:38:00
about traffic down Poindexter Road, that it was not safe, that it was windy, variable speeds, active and active farm.
SPEAKER_08
01:38:11
So you're saying that they were concerned about it being on Poindexter, which is actually a better road.
01:38:21
They'd rather it on Brickhouse, which is a road that's not possibly passable for two large vehicles.
SPEAKER_19
01:38:28
The neighbors did not want it on Poindexter Road.
SPEAKER_08
01:38:36
We've got two neighbors here now that's saying that they want it on Poindexter Road.
SPEAKER_19
01:38:39
Because they're on Brickhouse Road.
SPEAKER_08
01:38:50
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:38:56
Oh, absolutely.
01:38:59
I did have a question, though, for the applicant.
SPEAKER_11
01:39:04
Question for the applicant?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:39:08
So, you all are in partnership with Adair and Amelia.
01:39:13
That's correct.
01:39:16
Just to clarify, there is no location closer than Louisa to Amelia to inject the gas?
01:39:25
There is not.
01:39:28
What would be the next nearest location?
SPEAKER_22
01:39:31
I'm going to have to let Cedric Klein, who is a part of TCE, answer this because it's their transmission line.
01:39:37
I see.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:39:38
I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_22
01:39:40
I would not be the correct person to answer that.
01:39:41
He could answer that.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:42
It's OK.
01:39:42
When you're Cedric Klein, TCE Energy, Columbia.
01:39:46
Yes, sir.
01:39:47
When you're talking about physical location, we already have that.
01:39:51
Is that what you're asking?
01:39:52
Yes.
01:39:52
That would be probably our Boswell compressor station here in Louisa County, 26 miles.
SPEAKER_17
01:40:00
going towards Charlottesville.
SPEAKER_04
01:40:02
I don't know all the streets here.
01:40:03
So that would be the closest facility.
01:40:05
And then south of here would be Goosland Compressor Station, which is down near 288 in Goosland County, another 26, 30 miles from here.
01:40:15
So those are our two closest physical locations.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:40:18
All right.
01:40:20
This one is the Boswell one.
SPEAKER_04
01:40:22
This is the Louisa compression.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:40:24
We have two compressors next to each other.
01:40:26
I see.
01:40:28
What's the distance between this one and the Boswell station?
SPEAKER_04
01:40:35
about 26 miles there.
01:40:36
That's pretty much standard in between.
01:40:38
I'm not sure the exact distance.
01:40:40
That's a good guess.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:40:41
I see.
01:40:43
I see.
01:40:44
Okay, thank you.
01:40:44
Yes, sir.
01:40:52
Mr. Painting.
SPEAKER_17
01:40:53
Would it be possible to take this entrance to the east and get it out from the front of her house?
01:41:08
and bring that entrance in from the east, down Brickhouse, if it were to stay as it is, where it looks like it's almost lined up right in front, at her front door.
01:41:19
Could you bring an entrance to the east and still get a tracking trailer in there?
01:41:22
It looks like, is this a turnaround so we can pull the truck up and then back in?
SPEAKER_22
01:41:25
That's correct.
SPEAKER_17
01:41:26
Okay, so he could do this, have the same effect with that.
01:41:29
Yes.
01:41:31
And if you could, don't mind help me understand this on what I'm looking at here, is there a structure here, a building?
SPEAKER_22
01:41:37
The building, so that's an M&R station, yes, there will be a building there.
SPEAKER_17
01:41:41
The big square, I'm looking at that and another one here.
01:41:46
So that large, sure, that would be great.
SPEAKER_22
01:41:49
You're talking about this building right here?
SPEAKER_17
01:41:51
Yes, sir, that is a structure.
01:41:52
Yeah, there is a structure within that space.
01:41:55
How large is that?
SPEAKER_22
01:41:57
I don't know off the top of my head.
01:42:00
And what is the rest of that, that square?
01:42:06
So you have, so this is like a whole space for all the different components.
SPEAKER_17
01:42:10
Is it stone, is it gravel?
01:42:12
Yes.
SPEAKER_22
01:42:12
Okay, okay.
01:42:13
And then down here would be the unloading station so the trucks would come in and turn around back in the year.
SPEAKER_17
01:42:18
Okay.
01:42:19
So if you could stay right there, if you've moved that easterly, the entrance, the entrance up off of Brick House?
SPEAKER_11
01:42:26
Yep.
SPEAKER_03
01:42:28
If you move that entrance to the east, yes sir, and came in, you almost be doing a U-turn to get your truck back in.
SPEAKER_17
01:42:37
Just a thought there.
01:42:39
And also, can I continue, sir?
01:42:41
Please.
01:42:41
Thank you.
01:42:44
Is there any noise associated with the offloading of the
SPEAKER_22
01:42:49
Is the truck idling the entire time?
01:43:09
It is not.
SPEAKER_17
01:43:15
My one concern I do have to alleviate the neighbor is the hours of operations that does concern me so much, just until it gets dark, wintertime, and those headlights would be right in her front door.
01:43:30
We've got to figure out a way to adjust that.
01:43:32
I certainly appreciate the added screening and force of products that's been put there.
01:43:39
And I have one more.
01:43:41
Oh, is it a tanker or is it a box truck?
SPEAKER_22
01:43:43
It's a box truck.
SPEAKER_17
01:43:46
Well, I saw the picture, but I'm picturing gas and I'm picturing a tanker in my mind, but you showed me a picture of a box truck.
SPEAKER_22
01:43:52
Yeah, so if I can find this thing.
01:43:54
So inside the actual trailer, there's four cylinders that hold the compressed natural gas.
SPEAKER_17
01:44:02
Now is that something that the operator hooks up from the outside?
SPEAKER_22
01:44:05
Yes, from the back of the trailer.
01:44:07
As you can see in this picture.
SPEAKER_17
01:44:09
Sorry.
01:44:09
I see it now, got you.
01:44:10
Right there, that's the hull loading.
01:44:12
And that's the back of the truck on the bottom picture here?
SPEAKER_22
01:44:14
Correct.
SPEAKER_17
01:44:17
And what would the estimated build-out time be to get this operational?
SPEAKER_22
01:44:20
About three or four months.
SPEAKER_17
01:44:22
Oh, it's pretty quick then?
SPEAKER_22
01:44:22
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:44:28
That's all I have.
01:44:29
Thanks, sir.
SPEAKER_07
01:44:30
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Dickerson, one question under the conditions waste disposal.
01:44:36
At the end of the project, it says it's not to be disposed in the Louisa County landfill.
SPEAKER_22
01:44:41
Where's it going?
01:44:45
is that party?
01:44:48
Yep.
SPEAKER_07
01:44:55
Just like with the solar farm, everything that they put on the piece of property.
SPEAKER_11
01:45:10
Yeah, that's where I'm going.
SPEAKER_22
01:45:29
So that was just recommended tonight by the staff, so I'm looking at that for the first time.
SPEAKER_07
01:45:34
All right.
01:45:34
There's five words I really like added to that sentence, and removed from Louisa County.
SPEAKER_19
01:45:44
Go ahead, Mr. Dickerson.
01:45:45
What would you like to add?
SPEAKER_07
01:45:47
Removed from Louisa County.
SPEAKER_19
01:45:50
Where at?
SPEAKER_07
01:45:51
At the end of where it says Louisa County field, landfill, and removed from Louisa County.
SPEAKER_19
01:45:59
and will be removed from Louise Academy.
01:46:09
OK.
SPEAKER_07
01:46:10
Thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:46:12
Mr. Goodwin.
SPEAKER_05
01:46:14
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
01:46:17
I guess I have a statement and a question.
01:46:19
I'll ask my question first.
01:46:22
All this is coming from one dairy farm in Amelia, as this is written up.
01:46:29
Is this like a test case or is this, do you have plans for expanding this operation beyond just one farm?
SPEAKER_22
01:46:40
Not currently.
01:46:43
So yeah, so we're building multiple of these projects all over the United States.
01:46:52
The first one in Amelia County is in Amelia County in Virginia.
01:46:55
We're looking at some other sites in Virginia, but not close by in other areas.
SPEAKER_05
01:47:00
So this has no reasonable expectation to ever grow beyond what it is now with two trucks per day.
SPEAKER_22
01:47:11
That's correct, but just to rehash the two trucks a day, if we do not operate on Sunday, we will have to make up the extra two loads during the six day time period.
01:47:21
Yeah, essentially it's 14 loads a week.
01:47:25
So if we're only operating six days, we still need the 14 loads.
SPEAKER_05
01:47:30
I just want to make sure that we're not, because we're already running, we haven't run this thing in the ground yet about
01:47:39
how you're getting there.
01:47:41
And if two trucks a day has got some concerns, then if this thing goes to four and six and whatever because the project grows, then we really got a problem.
SPEAKER_22
01:47:53
No, I understand that.
SPEAKER_05
01:47:57
I don't know how we get an answer to that when you say not currently.
SPEAKER_16
01:48:02
So one thing I would just add is the most project we ever plan to build in the state that could ever deliver to this terminal would be two.
01:48:09
And so we don't know currently because we haven't done any due diligence on exactly where that second site will be.
01:48:14
And so there is potential that it could come here.
01:48:16
There's potential that it couldn't.
01:48:17
We just don't know today.
SPEAKER_05
01:48:18
It would be a maximum of four trucks a day.
01:48:21
Correct.
01:48:21
Can we put that in the language?
01:48:23
Yes, absolutely.
01:48:24
Can we do that, staff?
SPEAKER_19
01:48:30
We can add that to...
SPEAKER_05
01:48:36
However you want to do it, but I just want to put a cap on this to make sure no more than four trucks a day.
SPEAKER_19
01:48:43
To and from?
SPEAKER_05
01:48:45
Yes.
SPEAKER_19
01:48:45
Well, currently it would be
01:48:49
for trips if they're just doing two offloading operations a day.
SPEAKER_08
01:48:54
What does it currently say?
SPEAKER_19
01:48:56
Well, we don't have any condition limiting how many trips.
01:49:00
We just have a condition recommending the hours of operation.
SPEAKER_08
01:49:07
Why wouldn't we make it two trucks or three trucks a day minimum?
01:49:11
Why would we make it four?
01:49:13
I'm just saying that he's saying that the most that he'll need is three.
01:49:20
Let's leave it at three.
SPEAKER_16
01:49:21
No, no.
01:49:22
It was four deliveries per day would be the most we would ever do on the station for the two currently planned.
01:49:29
So 28 per week would be the most we would ever do on the station.
SPEAKER_19
01:49:33
Is that per state regulation right now?
SPEAKER_05
01:49:37
We don't have to figure out the language now, but if you all can figure out what it is, I just don't want this thing growing to 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and whatever to put some sort of a cap.
01:49:53
If he's saying there will never be more than two generators, then that's going to put a cap on our end.
01:50:01
If it's two for one, then it's going to be four for two.
SPEAKER_16
01:50:07
The way we'd like to put it would be 28 per week.
01:50:10
We would start with the 14 deliveries per week, which would be the two deliveries per day, and then potentially the years down the road, we might add the second, we might not.
SPEAKER_05
01:50:19
I understand that, however, that allows you to put 28 trucks on Brickhouse Road in one day.
SPEAKER_22
01:50:25
No.
01:50:29
You can do it all in one day.
01:50:34
There's no way that that would ever be able to support up the station.
SPEAKER_05
01:50:38
That was my scale question, and I hate to just leave it on you all, but I can't do this off the top of my head, but I do want to kind of put a top on this thing
01:50:48
So a cap on an amount of how many trucks to the site per day?
01:51:06
and I think what he is saying, it would be no more than four trips per day if the second generator ever comes on line.
SPEAKER_16
01:51:16
With a full seven day per week operation?
SPEAKER_05
01:51:20
Yeah, you all work that out.
01:51:22
Thank you.
01:51:23
You know where I'm going, you all work it out.
01:51:27
And this is the comment that I was going to make, it's not a question.
01:51:32
said that there were three locations, Boswell Tavern, Goosland, and Brickhouse Road.
01:51:46
Without visiting the other sites or even familiar, it looks like you have chosen the worst of three, in terms of access and safety.
01:51:55
Can you speak to that?
01:51:56
Because Boswell Tavern, I got interstates getting there, and I'm not going... Like I said, I haven't been there, and certainly
01:52:13
and Goochland has got primary roads radiating out of Richmond that is a lot closer to Amelia.
01:52:21
I'm not trying to throw something away from Louisa County.
01:52:27
Let me finish saying what I'm saying before you start because I can't hear you and speak at the same time, please.
01:52:34
But Goochland's got a lot more major roads than we've got radiating from Richmond and a lot closer to Amelia.
01:52:41
So just
01:52:42
Looking at the three options, it really looks like you've chosen the worst one.
01:52:50
I understand.
01:52:51
Okay, thank you.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:52:54
Mr. Quarles.
SPEAKER_08
01:52:58
This process has changed several times.
01:53:04
I would like to see them go back and
01:53:12
Re-figure this and figure out what we can do.
01:53:15
I don't really feel comfortable with these trailer trucks on this small road.
01:53:22
And then there's a possibility of four trips, again, on this small road and could be up to seven days a week.
01:53:37
I don't feel comfortable with that.
01:53:44
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
01:53:45
I'd like them to go back and re-figure this and see how they can make it safer.
01:53:53
I'm here in Windy with unmarked road tractor trailers.
01:54:01
That's not a good formula.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:54:03
So Mr. Quarles, as this is in your district, are you suggesting that you would like to hear if the applicant would like to postpone this for a month and work on it?
01:54:18
Defer, yes.
01:54:19
Defer for a month?
SPEAKER_08
01:54:20
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:54:23
Would the applicant be willing to defer this for a month and work on this, or do you prefer to go ahead and have the vote this evening?
SPEAKER_22
01:54:33
We'd be willing to work on it.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:54:36
Very well.
01:54:39
Ms. Smith, do we need to have a vote on deferral, or if the applicant requests deferral, are we done?
SPEAKER_11
01:54:46
You should go ahead and just vote on it.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:54:50
Very good.
01:54:53
Very good.
01:54:54
All right.
01:54:55
Then in that case, Mr. Quarles, the chair would be willing to entertain a motion for deferral.
SPEAKER_08
01:55:03
I'm going to recommend that CUP 2025-04
01:55:14
being deferred to give the applicant time to figure out some of the safer ways that we can egress in this process with the vehicles and so forth would be entranceways, alternate and
01:55:44
to come back to us at a later time with a different plan.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:55:49
I understand that you're making a motion to defer CUP 2025-04 to resolve the issues we brought up tonight until the July meeting.
01:56:01
Correct.
SPEAKER_07
01:56:03
Do we have a second?
01:56:04
Second.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:56:05
Moved and seconded.
01:56:06
Any further discussion on this?
01:56:11
Ms. Johnson, can we have a roll call vote please?
SPEAKER_11
01:56:15
Mr. Painting?
01:56:15
Yes.
01:56:16
Mr. Disosway?
01:56:17
Yes.
01:56:18
Mr. Dickerson?
01:56:18
Yes.
01:56:19
Mr. Quarles?
01:56:19
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:56:21
Mr. Goodwin?
01:56:21
Yes.
01:56:22
Mr. Kersey?
01:56:23
Yes.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:56:24
Very well.
01:56:25
The motion for deferral is approved.
01:56:29
And that completes the public hearings for June.
01:56:32
Next item up is new business.
01:56:36
I believe
01:56:40
This would be a good time to make sure we have this in the record.
01:56:51
And that would be Mr. Goodwin and Mr. Dickerson.
01:56:54
I believe we had you all slated to work on the comprehensive plan.
01:57:05
A.M.S.
01:57:09
Jones
SPEAKER_20
01:57:24
Official in the record.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:57:26
Any other new business?
01:57:27
I'm not aware of any other new business that we have at this time.
01:57:31
Very good.
01:57:33
No discussion items for tonight.
01:57:35
Move on to reports.
01:57:36
Ms. Buckler.
SPEAKER_15
01:57:40
Not a whole lot to report.
01:57:46
I believe there are several applications slated for public hearing next month.
01:57:49
As I indicated earlier,
01:57:53
They were tabled for clarification on a couple of items that we've been working on and they that will be back on the board's agenda for this coming Monday the 16th
01:58:09
I believe there are two towers, two cell towers for next month and potentially everything that was at the neighborhood meeting yesterday, potentially on the July 10th agenda, the two towers and potentially the conditional use permit for the data center.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:58:31
Yes, July could be a long evening but very good.
01:58:39
Anything?
01:58:39
Very good.
01:58:41
Thank you Ms. Buckler.
01:58:42
Yes sir.
01:58:44
That completes reports.
01:58:45
We have no announcements so Chair would entertain them.
SPEAKER_11
01:58:48
I would like to... Ms. Quarles.
SPEAKER_08
01:58:54
I would like to
01:58:58
We have the members and people listening to keep the Barnes family in our thoughts and prayers.
01:59:10
Recently, the supervisor lost his wife.
01:59:24
If you would keep them in your prayers, that would be a good thing.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
01:59:28
Thank you for that.
01:59:29
Thank you.
01:59:30
Appreciate it.
01:59:31
Very good.
01:59:32
Then the chair would entertain a motion to adjourn.
01:59:37
So moved.
01:59:46
Second.
SPEAKER_07
01:59:49
Move and second.
01:59:52
You're adjourned.
01:59:57
yes I can't hear
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:00:20
hang on wait wait wait before you do additional research because Chris Coon sent this charge and what it says this is out of this one includes CUP applications
02:00:43
It says, it's just a clip, division fees, all applicable applications, reviews, permits, inspections still required, structures or projects to be used by religious organizations.
02:00:57
Non-profit or not-for-profit eligible to have permit fees waived.
02:01:06
So now what it doesn't do is it doesn't remove the fee for advertising.
02:01:11
That's the paper and that's like a thousand bucks.
SPEAKER_07
02:01:14
And the mailer out to them.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:01:16
So, there are some fees.
SPEAKER_07
02:01:20
I don't know if I was hiring their attorney, Torrey Williams, to represent me in the C.U.P., then it might cost me $5,000.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:01:29
Well, if you were going to do that.
SPEAKER_07
02:01:31
So, it depends how they derive their number.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:01:34
well we never even talked about cost yeah I know
02:02:00
I said, I said, but I said, the county's gonna waive that.
02:02:06
Yeah.
SPEAKER_07
02:02:06
So should we put that in the ordinance that the county waives it?
02:02:11
It's already there.
02:02:12
Is that what he was texting you?
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:02:13
Yeah, he was texting you.
02:02:14
It's already in there.
02:02:15
Yeah, it's already in here.
02:02:16
So we just gotta point that out.
02:02:16
That the county has the ability to waive that.
SPEAKER_07
02:02:19
Yeah.
02:02:19
Or not the ability, should we put it in there that it is waived for?
SPEAKER_08
02:02:22
I wouldn't go there.
SPEAKER_05
02:02:33
My suggestion is to leave it out.
02:02:37
The ordinance already says, or whatever that is, a regulation or a way that churches will waive, but this is not
02:02:48
churches.
02:02:49
This is anybody who does mandatory shelter.
02:02:53
So if you come in as Jim wants to open one of his properties, guess what?
02:02:58
Jim's gonna have to pay the fee.
02:03:00
I'm gonna be a short term rental and I can do whatever I want.
02:03:03
Charge my penny today and I can already figure out my business model.
02:03:07
But that's what I'm saying.
02:03:08
Otherwise, we're the exact opposite of what they're saying.
02:03:27
Hey, she responds to me.
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:03:42
I get a meeting face to face.
02:03:54
857 next month.
SPEAKER_05
02:04:02
Well, it depends on what's going on with the public here.
02:04:06
Still not sure.
02:04:19
I think it's
George Goodwin
Member, Planning Commission
02:04:28
A little bit.
SPEAKER_15
02:04:59
I'm sorry I'm moving a little slow.
SPEAKER_11
02:05:15
I've got a little knee injury that's last year and I've just put it off and put it off.
SPEAKER_15
02:05:29
A couple of things that I want to just want to make sure.
02:05:49
So we'll talk to them about the entrance location.
02:05:52
So I've got that
02:05:55
and then the traffic, figuring out the traffic pattern and what I suggested to Kayla and I think about this because the trade winds trucks used to always go by our house and they would take that same route in or out but yet they had 618 going
02:06:14
both ways that they could have made a loop so I'm sitting here going why don't they come in one way and go out the other so maybe come in Poindexter because it's a better road it's a loaded truck go out Brickhouse with an unloaded
02:06:33
I'm just talking about the vehicle trips, so they're not all on one road or the other.
02:06:51
Split them.
02:06:54
Have a one-way in and a one-way out.
02:06:58
Right.
SPEAKER_11
02:06:58
The only thing I was, you could easily go down four next to me.
02:07:04
You'd just turn and come over there and come in the place.
02:07:08
Right.
02:07:09
That way most of the traffic's on the four next to me.
SPEAKER_08
02:07:12
I don't really like that seven days.
SPEAKER_11
02:07:25
I mean, I understand that you want a certain amount of trips, but that's not my problem.
SPEAKER_08
02:07:42
And the only problem with that, looking at it way up from higher altitude, who monitors whether he's doing three trips every day?
SPEAKER_11
02:08:00
See that's the thing.
SPEAKER_15
02:08:07
It's one of those things with conditions that you try to put conditions on that are easily enforceable but you're also trying to come up with conditions that
02:08:29
You know, protect the neighborhood and meet the concerns.
SPEAKER_11
02:08:37
I can't remember what you said.
SPEAKER_08
02:08:40
Yeah, that's what you said.
SPEAKER_11
02:08:43
Kayla.
02:08:44
Kayla.
02:08:44
You can, I mean, this is a conditioner.
02:08:50
So, I don't know, and I asked, George and Jordan, I don't know where to put it.
02:09:01
But you can, I know we've done it.
02:09:06
You can close another commission and have it any experience, but this requires an amendment to the same debate.
SPEAKER_15
02:09:13
And that took care of George and some of the other people.
02:09:18
I like that.
02:09:18
The question came back into the committee, and what I had brought up was that they said it would be, when they said it would be required, and I said,
02:09:31
to where it may be required depending on the type of expansion.
02:09:39
But if you all can recommend a condition that
02:09:50
The one Amelia facility and they added a second facility and went and wanted the four full or the 28 deliveries a week.
02:10:02
You could put that as a condition that if they they have to come back they would have to come back.
SPEAKER_08
02:10:07
I like that that would that that tentatively put that down because yeah because I don't I don't like the open
SPEAKER_11
02:10:14
expansion to receive from a second facility.
SPEAKER_15
02:10:37
to receive product.
SPEAKER_08
02:10:38
We'll come up with something, but that gives me some... See, originally they weren't talking about seven days a week.
SPEAKER_11
02:10:47
No.
SPEAKER_08
02:10:49
They keep changing this.
02:10:50
They keep changing.
02:10:51
They've changed this, what, three times?
SPEAKER_15
02:10:54
It was two different meetings, and then they changed it once today.
SPEAKER_08
02:10:57
I mean, you know, at that point,
02:11:03
You know, and I get the expense of applications and that kind of stuff, but you know, I expect more.
SPEAKER_15
02:11:14
Right.
02:11:18
Chris gave you a paper to look at?
02:11:22
He did.
SPEAKER_11
02:11:24
Okay.
02:11:26
I haven't looked at it.
SPEAKER_15
02:11:29
Well I'll be at work.
02:11:31
He handed it to me as he was going out the door and I was coming in here so I haven't had a chance to look at it, but after you get a chance.
SPEAKER_11
02:11:39
I think it's fun, it's just when you start thinking about it and what it is, or something like that.
SPEAKER_15
02:11:46
Unfortunately, we'll never cover everything.
SPEAKER_11
02:11:49
No, we can not write a perfect article.
02:11:54
We can't do anything.
SPEAKER_15
02:11:56
Or do away with it altogether.
SPEAKER_08
02:12:01
You want to call me?
02:12:03
And I'll come in and we can chop it up a little bit.
SPEAKER_15
02:12:07
We can chop.
02:12:08
We can chop away.
SPEAKER_08
02:12:11
All right.
02:12:12
So yeah, let me get through this.
02:12:15
Well, I am sorry that you are having all those.
02:12:30
Well, they're just hitting threes.
SPEAKER_15
02:12:33
I mean, it's like boom, boom, boom.
SPEAKER_08
02:12:39
They're like, whoa.
02:12:43
So anyway, but yeah, call me.
SPEAKER_15
02:12:49
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_08
02:12:49
Okay.
SPEAKER_15
02:12:50
See, we will get together.
02:12:51
Thank you.
02:12:52
All right.
SPEAKER_14
02:13:17
I packed up the tomatoes.
02:13:27
Can you finish two of those tonight or are you going to eat them tomorrow?
02:13:36
The tomatoes are going to be great.
02:13:38
No, it's just in one to-go container and you'll see the cucumbers.
SPEAKER_15
02:13:47
There's only one container of cucumbers and it's with the onions.
SPEAKER_14
02:13:55
No, please take them London, nobody's going to eat them.
02:13:57
I was so happy when Mr. Painting
02:14:02
He saw the other tray of cucumbers, the one without onions.
02:14:06
It was about halfway.
02:14:07
And he was like, I could eat that whole thing.
02:14:09
I was like, me too.
02:14:11
I was like, but only one of us is going to tonight.
SPEAKER_11
02:14:13
Here you go.
02:14:15
And he said, really?
02:14:16
I said, please take it.
SPEAKER_14
02:14:18
Yes.
02:14:19
So he said he's going to eat it on the way out.
02:14:24
He didn't get dinner.
SPEAKER_15
02:14:27
Yeah, he didn't, he said he had a snack.
02:14:31
He didn't have any fat.
02:14:32
I mean, I didn't try to roll the thing through the wide legs or what.
SPEAKER_11
02:14:46
Something keeps moving on the table.
02:14:47
I don't know why.
02:14:53
There's a food back there.
SPEAKER_14
02:14:55
It's in the fridge.
SPEAKER_15
02:14:58
All right, so I'm going to go send the other two to Alex because she I'm going to send the other two to Alex.
SPEAKER_11
02:15:24
I think I'm going to shut that door for a while.
02:15:52
Mm-hm.
02:16:32
Is that Tom's keyboard?
SPEAKER_15
02:16:59
It is.
02:17:02
What does this have to do with this?
SPEAKER_14
02:17:10
Does this go over here?
SPEAKER_11
02:17:18
This is his keyboard?
SPEAKER_14
02:17:23
I think so.
SPEAKER_11
02:17:23
It's either his or...
02:17:26
Does it go out here?
SPEAKER_14
02:17:28
I'm not sure if he uses that or if it goes in there.
02:17:35
I don't know what he did and what he didn't do with the computer.
SPEAKER_15
02:17:39
Oh, I see his computer right there on those papers.
02:17:42
Maybe I should slide the paper so he sees it.
SPEAKER_14
02:17:48
What did he do?
SPEAKER_11
02:17:58
Just her age.
02:18:18
Can you say her name?
SPEAKER_15
02:18:19
Mm-hmm.
02:18:19
If there's chicken salad in Croissant, and she has, I think it's just butter, it's just butter.
02:18:21
I don't know what I'm talking about.
02:18:22
I'm scared to fall in love and just see what you've got.
SPEAKER_11
02:18:23
Don't take an airplane with you.
02:18:23
No, because if it's not with chicken salad, I don't think you need it, because I'm very, I'm seriously, I'm seriously very
02:18:26
You ever done a chicken salad with a chick?
02:20:40
Thanks for watching!
02:39:18
James Dickerson
SPEAKER_15
02:45:37
I don't know anything about this conversation.
SPEAKER_17
02:46:05
I purposely talked to Jim and the engineers that we all know the reason why it's on brick house.
02:46:10
You came up because you don't want to cross an acre to serve us.
SPEAKER_15
02:46:14
Well, they're not going to get an entrance off of Poindexter.
02:46:16
It's too close to theirs.
02:46:18
So they're going to blame staff?
02:46:20
They can cross the gas line easily.
SPEAKER_17
02:46:22
So yeah, so let's just blame staff.
02:46:24
You know, oh staff told us the green team is going to avoid it.