CRHA Meeting   1/24/2022

Governor Northam issued executive order 53 restricting public gatherings of greater than 10 persons according to code 2.2-3708

to A3 permits public bodies to meet electronically to discuss business required or necessary to operation of the public body in discharge of its lawful purposes, duties, and responsibility in times of emergencies and to address COVID-19.

Therefore, this meeting is being held electronically pursuant to Virginia law

because the COVID-19 pandemic makes it impractical and unsafe to assemble a quorum physically in a single location.

Commissioner Wicks.

Commissioner Wicks.

Present.

Commissioner Parker?

Commissioner Green?

Here.

Commissioner Goldblatt?

Okay, now we'll just do a moment of silence.

Okay, so now then I'm gonna turn to our announcements and our next CRHA board work session is Thursday, February 10th at 4 p.m., excuse me, 5 p.m. And the CRHA regular meeting is Monday, February 28th at 6 p.m. And it's actually gonna be in 2022.

Okay, so safety meetings are every other Tuesday and the next one being February 1st and February 15th and then March 1st and all are at 6 p.m. and you can get the passcode I guess it's on the Facebook page

Then the Redevelopment Committee meeting is every other Thursday of the month at 4 p.m. And the next regular meeting will be February the 3rd and then February the 17th.

Resident Services is every second Tuesday of the month at 1 p.m. And their next one is February 8th.

and then the maintenance slash, I guess that's parallel track committee meeting is it says joins the Zoom meeting and there's no particular date given at this time.

The personnel committee is every third Tuesday of the month at two o'clock.

And then the finance committee is still to be arranged.

Anyone else have any other announcements?

Sorry, that's me, I forgot.

I'm doing double duties today.

Welcome to the CRHA regular meeting.

If you would like to speak during the public comment period, please raise your hand.

This is starting with PHAR.

So Shelby Edwards, I will allow you to talk right now.

Good evening, everyone.

All righty.

My name is Shelby Marie Edwards.

I use she, her and hers and I'm the Executive Director of PHAR, the Charlottesville Public Housing Association of Residents.

We are the duly recognized and federally mandated housing association.

We are pleased to give an update on what our organization has done in collaboration with our residents since the last board meeting.

PHAR is continuing to host camera-related meetings with the intention of receiving more feedback from residents on the camera policy created by CRHA.

On January 20th, 2022 at 1 p.m., we hosted a virtual meeting which was attended by eight individuals and it lasted roughly an hour and a half.

We plan to have two more, one occurring tomorrow at 1 p.m. and the other at 1 p.m. this Friday, January 28th.

Both will be via Zoom.

We plan to bring the feedback to the safety committee for further consideration, so we are looking forward to active CRHA participation in future safety committee meetings.

We are looking forward to having more robust conversations about the capital fund plan in the coming weeks.

We plan to also have a large amount of resident engagement in that area as well.

I also know that last meeting I commented on the need for CRHA to address more maintenance requests both on the day-to-day as well as systems concerns and we are pleased to learn that the maintenance committee will be up and running soon and we look forward to continuing to work on these issues together.

It is a pleasure for PHAR to amplify the voices of the people.

I appreciate the audience of the CRHA Board of Commissioners.

Thank you so much and have a good evening.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The next person to talk will be DeeDee Smith.

Okay, I think I am on.

Oh, no, you are muted.

Let's see.

Hold Alt.

Oh, I am unmuted.

Great, thank you.

This is Dee Dee Smith.

I live in Fry's Springs in the city, have for 40 years.

And I'm just here tonight to just let you know about a situation that has come up recently that I'm going to be speaking to tomorrow at the Rivanna Water and Sewer Authority.

And it is a project that really has only recently been

been introduced whereby Rivanna and which has had zero public input or even, you know, the ability to give public input.

And it is a project to put a five mile 24 inch pipe along the south side of the railroad tracks from Fry's Spring to Sixth Street and up to

to High Street, and the goal of which is to link the observatory water treatment plant with Pantops, all of which is on the north side of Charlottesville.

And for some reason, they think it's wise to come over the railroad tracks on the

Westside, all the way across the south side of Charlottesville and back up to High Street instead of going north of the railroad tracks.

I've been following this now.

I've been trying to get information, but they've not been very cooperative.

There is a meeting tomorrow, which I'll be speaking to, but basically the route goes from Fry's Springs down JPA, down Cleveland, all the way across Cherry Avenue, across both

passed both schools, both parks, then down Elliott, passed Mount Zion, up Sixth Street, right past First Street, Sixth Street, and Friendship Court.

It's gonna take a little jog and go up to High Street.

There is no benefit to this pipe for our Southside community, none, zero.

There is benefit for the North side of Charlottesville, and there's a lot of benefit for the county, North and East.

I find it outrageous that there's been absolutely no community input even sought or allowed.

So anyway, I'm following this and I just wanted to bring it to your attention because it impacts y'all.

Thank you.

The next speaker is Kimber Hawking.

Yes, I'm also here to second everything that Dee Dee Smith has mentioned.

I myself have been contacted by a few people about this just recently.

We knew nothing about it.

I live in the Belmont Carlton neighborhood as well.

Rather dazed and confused why the public was not involved in this.

Also concerned about a benefit which appears to be to the north side of town in Pantops, which is in the county, and why the south southern part of town is shouldering the brunt of this.

And I also noticed some of the strange language in the presentation about

impacted neighborhoods to the north and middle part of town.

And there wasn't that language about the southern route.

And it just seems like we too have, you know, we have our residences, we have our schools, we have our parks, and it appears as well that perhaps the hospital back entrance would be impacted.

And so we're just looking for more communication and knowledge in the community about this, and then hoping to get

Some way for the public to get involved and to comment on it.

And so that's about all I have to say.

Thank you.

If there's anyone else that would like to speak during the meeting, can you please raise your hand?

I did not mean to raise my hand.

Seeing no hands up.

We will need to go on to the next agenda item.

And I'm apologizing because my internet just went out in the middle of all of the discussion.

So I apologize.

But the next update is recognition of former mayor, Nakaya Walker.

And I'm going to be reading a resolution and then letting the board discuss and decide on adopting it.

And it is called resolution

1434, a resolution recognizing the dedication and effort of Mayor Nikaya Walker in her service to the residents and HCV slash CSRA program participants of the Charlottesville Redevelopment Housing Authority during her tenure on the CRHA Board of Commissioners.

and here it goes, whereas Mayor Walker was appointed to serve the CRHA.

and the CRHA community as a commissioner of the CRHA board of commissioners beginning in January of 2020.

And whereas during her tenure on the CRHA board, Mayor Walker worked diligently to represent the needs of CRHA residents while ensuring the ongoing health and well-being of the agency.

And whereas Mayor Walker

Parker's commitment to a resident-centric approach to the management of CRHA demonstrates the fundamental values of public service and true asset-based community leadership, and whereas the Board of Commissioners of the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority wishes to express its appreciation for the admirable work

that Mayor Walker has done on behalf of CRHA and community over these past two years as she has sought to redefine our agency through partnerships with residents, PHAR, the City of Charlottesville, HUD, and numerous supporters and stakeholders.

Therefore be it resolved and known by all that with much gratitude, the Board of Commissioners,

The Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority do hereby recognize and formally commend Mayor Nikaya Walker for her admirable efforts exercised on behalf of the residents of CRHA, thus benefiting not only those directly served, but the greater Charlottesville community as a whole.

Resolve this 24th day of January 2019,

22 by the board of commissioners.

And then there's space for each and every one of us to sign.

Commissioners?

I think it's a good idea.

She deserves our recognition.

Okay.

Would you like me to call the roll?

Yes, please.

To see whether we accept.

Sure.

Commissioner Wicks?

Yes.

Commissioner Parker?

Commissioner Green?

Yes.

Commissioner Goldblatt?

Okay.

Well, it passes.

unanimously among those of us present.

And so it will be accepted.

And so then we want to, I just wanted to say also, thank you, Nikaya, for giving us a taste of what two-party government might look like.

Anyhow, moving right on to the next HCV utility allowance update and resolution 1435.

Yes.

Good evening, commissioners.

Our HCV manager, Consuela Knight, will be presenting this, the two items.

She has a presentation.

The presentation is really short.

So it's combined the utility allowance and the payment standard adjustment that we are recommending.

Okay, I can share.

Okay.

Okay, can everyone see the screen?

Yes.

Okay.

I have the display of metal going across the screen because what we've seen is everything is going up since the pandemic.

I want to state that changes in the housing market for families under ACV program

Since 2019, rent and utilities kind of remain the same.

In 2020, the rent and utility estimation of 5% increase.

Now, since the eviction, 2021 eviction moratorium, we have been seeing an increase of rent and utilities, especially with utilities due to the families remaining home, doing virtual and things like that.

So we have been seeing an increase of utilities.

The next thing I wanted to discuss about the program, when we're doing calculating the family's rent, we are using 30% of their income and total tenant payment.

The total tenant payment is what we use to calculate the rent and utilities, which is considered gross rent.

and we don't use our actual utility bill.

We use a estimation according to the utility table.

So what the 30% plus utility needs to be below the payment standard.

So what we are asking for is a increase in our payment standard to give families more of a flexibility to search for a unit inside of Charlottesville.

I have the table what the current payment standard is for a zero bedroom, 949, one bedroom, 1077, two bedroom, $1266, three bedroom, $1575, four bedroom, $1965, and five bedroom is $2260.

So what HUD has done, they published, October 2021, they published a Charlottesville Housing Authority payment standard based on the bedroom size.

What we are doing is we asking for the board approval, because the payment standard had went down.

If you look at the next table, which is in the,

The document regarding the payment standard.

The payment standard for 2022 has increased a little bit for a zero bedroom.

The payment standard for a zero bedroom is 1024 of the increase.

The one bedroom went from 1077 to 1063.

For two-bedroom, $1,266 with its current, if we go by the table that HUD published, it is $1,264.

Three-bedroom is currently $1,575.

It's gonna decrease $1,572.

Four bedroom, $1,965 currently, and it's going down to $1,959.

I'm sorry.

I can't see the...

I have to move.

So even that, I just want to make sure I'm understanding right.

So even though it's gone up by, what we saw is that it's gone up by about 20%, the HUD standard has it going down.

Yes.

Okay, so what we are proposing, because we do not want to make the family's rent burden.

Anything that the family pays over 40% of their income is considered rent burden.

So what we are proposing, 105% of what the FMR, published FMR from HUD, so the zero bedroom,

will increase, let's see, 1075, the one bedroom, $1,116.

The two bedroom will increase to 1327.

The three bedroom will increase $1,651.

The four bedroom, $2,056.

and the five bedroom, $2,366.

So we are going up, we asking permission to go up to 105%.

Because at this time with the housing market, the rent has increased and what we are seeing with our families are they becoming rent burden.

And the housing market, I just wanna say some of the apartment complexes that we are,

is mainly our vendors like Mallside, Rio Hill, Sparks of Charlottesville.

I think they are the main ones.

They are going market rate right now.

So basically we want to have some type of opportunities with assisted families in the city of Charlottesville.

Okay, the next thing I have is the several factors that play a role and determine what the family can afford.

What we, as I said, if we go by 30% of the adjusted gross income, the fair market rent that is established by HUD, which is the payment standard, the contract rent, we do not have anything to do with the contract rent.

The owners

Decide they contract rent.

What we do is we do the rent reasonable and determine if the rent that they requested is rent reasonable.

And then we would determine if it's affordable to the family's income.

What utilities are responsible for in a particular unit?

I have,

I just wanna go over the last bullet.

Individuals may also qualify for certain deduction when we doing the adjusted income at the family's elderly or disabled, medical expenses, or the family has dependents and childcare.

Now, due to the families, they are having an increase in expenses also.

And when we are requesting about the payment standard, we wanted to let you know the payment standard we requesting is only for new admissions.

That is for families that's currently coming off our waiting list.

Annual recertification, the annual recertification is done annually.

So if the family is coming in, we bring them in every 12 months to complete their annual recertification.

And it's only applied at the recertification.

Now if the family is relocating from one unit to another, then a new payment standard will apply.

The payment standard does not apply for an interim if they remain in the same unit.

It's only at annual.

The last thing is the utility basis.

The utilities are considered the gas heat, electric heat, stove, other electric hot water heater,

water, sewer, trash.

Unit allowance is based on the voucher of the unit size.

So we do not give the utility allowance based on the unit size unless the voucher number match.

So say for instance, if a family is a one bedroom family and they want to select a two bedroom, the utility allowance only applies for a one bedroom.

and I wanted to, the utility allowance worksheet that is determined the unit is the promise two exposed walls, townhouse, three exposed walls and the four exposed walls is considered the detached house.

The last thing I have is questions and answers.

I have one question.

So you were saying that the families are rent burdened, because if this standard is like lower than what their rent actually is, it means if I'm understanding it correctly, the family is paying CRHA, their

No, the total tenant payment is the income that is used to determine the rent.

and Commissioner Green.

We don't receive any payments.

I just want to make sure that's clear.

For the voucher program, the payments go straight to the landlord and CRHA also makes the payment to the landlord.

The difference of the contract rent and the tenant's portion is what CRHA pays.

So let's say the rent is $1,000 a month and a tenant only has to pay 100.

Well, CRHA would make the $900 payment

Yeah, so I guess this means that when HUD's evaluation isn't high enough, there's simply not housing available at that rate, right?

Right.

Yeah.

So the federal regulations allow any housing authority to go up to 110%.

At one point we were using at 110%.

Hype went through our

through our tenants to look at the tenant rent and the contract rent.

And we didn't have anyone that was using more than 100.

So HUD requested that we reduce it back to 100 to get more vouchers on the street for other families to lease up.

Now HUD is allowing housing authorities to go up to 120% due to the pandemic, but you have to have the money to actually do it.

And we are not, we don't believe we'll have the money to actually go up to 120%.

We have ran the numbers and 105

is we have, we can do that.

Financially, we can do it and still lease up additional vouchers.

The biggest thing that we have an issue is if the family doesn't have any income.

That is the main issue that we are having if they do not have the income to secure the unit.

But we are,

Dr. Henry, Shelby Edwards from PHAR does have her hand up.

Yes.

Good evening, Board of Commissioners.

I have a few questions.

One of them is, so if we increase this pay standard, would people who are current voucher holders be able to move?

I thought I heard that the answer was no, but I wanted to ask, so I'm gonna pose it again.

So if someone's currently a voucher holder and the pay standard goes up and they wanna move to a different unit, can they move to a unit with that pay standard?

And what's the answer?

Yes.

Yes, they can.

That's correct.

If you, in a current HAP contract and a lease agreement, during the initial term, you cannot move.

A little more up.

Uh-huh, one more again.

I think it might've been slide number three.

Oh, three, okay.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm checking in the slide.

And can you go to slide six, please?

And the fair market rate is up top.

And then the pay standard that the proposed pay standard is the one on the bottom.

And that's a correction.

The payment standard FY2022, that's the FMRs.

That's the proposed F, well, those are the FMRs for the new year.

Gotcha.

The crossings, we have quite a few and we also have some in some other PHA properties where they have studio apartments.

And a lot of developers are starting to build studio apartments.

600 West Main has several studio apartments.

Okay.

No further questions at this time.

Thank you.

I just have one final question.

I would say through the CISRAP program, yes.

and not as many in the regular HCD program.

With the SISRAP program, we were able to get the payment standard increase even higher than an HCD program.

And that's just because the city can control the payment standard relatively easy by just the city council vote, unlike HUD system, which is not that easy to navigate.

and it has a cap of 110% typically.

So no, not as many in the city with the HTV program, but it's far easier with the CISRAP program.

Yes, I was trying to have an understanding.

I didn't hear much about the mobile home.

You can, because we don't really have mobile homes on our program.

So the federal government at one point did not allow mobile homes to be used, vouchers to be utilized in mobile homes.

They have now made a way for it to happen, but they use a really low payment standard.

Okay, and what did that mean?

Okay.

I can.

CRHA Resolution 1435, Resolution Adopting, Revise Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority Utility allows for Session 8 housing choice voucher program for year 2022 through 2023, whereas Charlottesville Redevelopment Housing Authority operates the Session 8

Housing Choice Voucher Program within the guidelines set forth by the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

Whereas the CRHA has the duty to review agency-wide utilities consumption and adopt utility allowance rates according with the Code of Federal Regulations.

The CRHA have reviewed the utility allowance schedule and determined that best practices

will be to follow the utility allowance schedule set by Virginia Housing Development Authority, VHDA, which study and rate shall be used to calculate utility allowance for CRHA and any assets utility charges pursued thereto.

CRHA had conducted an annual review of its agency-wide utility consumption and utility allowance rate

and satisfaction and requirements of the code of federal regulation now there for be it resolved that CRHA by any through its officers hereby adopts the attached utility schedule into the session eight housing choice voucher program effective February 1, 2022.

Okay, thank you.

I have one question.

So what we do is the gross rent and the utility allowance schedule is calculated to see which one is the higher of, if it's the contract rent and the utilities, or is it the payment standard?

If it's less than the payment standard, we use the utility allowance and the contract rent.

If it's over, then we use the payment standard.

So in essence, this would stop the tenant from being charged too much utilities versus rent.

Okay.

And what we do is when we're doing the calculation, our software alerts us if you're ready to be 40%.

because with relocation of a family or they've been admitted to the program, HUD will not let us move the family into the unit if it's different to be over 40%.

But we are really looking into the families that's currently being assisted in their unit.

So when we do their recertification and the owner's asking for an increase of the rent, we're trying to prevent them from being rent burdened.

because of the market.

The utility is a taper that we go by what the utilities are.

Some of the units that we have, we have two apartment complexes don't really charge all the utilities.

They increase in the rent and that's Hawkwood and I'm trying to think the other property because they pay for the gas and stuff.

Sorry, one more.

Well, that's a part two regarding inflation and material and things like that.

And then some apartment complexes are having a hard time of getting back rent also.

I will add the back rent issue is the reason why a lot of landlords are charging more in rent.

They're trying to make up for it by increasing the rents on everyone else.

and Commissioner Wicks, I don't think your question was fully answered.

No, we can not dictate what the utility allowance is going to be or control how much utilities they use.

So it's an average amount and it's after a study is conducted by Virginia Housing to determine what the true utility allowance should be based upon the market itself and how much

Water, electricity, gas, someone of that housing size would use.

So it's really just an average.

Thank you.

That's where I was going.

I don't think they offer discounts, but they do have certain plans, I believe.

It's not a payment plan, but it's a plan where you lock yourself into an average

but they tend to make it up.

Like if you were to go over, they tend to get that money back anyway.

I have one last question.

Yes.

So HUD has not given us additional money to increase the payment standard.

We're projected to get additional funds next year in general due to increased funding from the Congress.

And so we'll use those funds to cover the gap, the increase that we're proposing now.

So less families will be able to be assisted through this program.

because of this action.

But the families that are assisted now will be able to continue getting assistance without having a harder time finding housing options that will accept a voucher at the current payment standard.

And that's the other thing we have to remember.

The payment center is supposed to go down.

So you already have families that may be leased up at the very top.

So at the end of the day, they would have to come out of pocket additional money to continue staying in that housing unit, which will push them closer to being rent burdened.

Dr. Henry, Shelby has her hand up again.

Why can't I see the hands on people?

But anyway, go ahead, Shelby.

I do have a question.

And I think Dr. Henry referenced this, but forgive me if I didn't hear it.

This should increase the ability of folks to rent in the city.

We're still not increasing the payment standard to the true market.

So the true market is two or $300 additional to all of the, to the payment standard.

So really a one bedroom is running for $1,300 and not $1,100 that we're proposing to go to.

Hey, Consuela, can you pull up slide seven so I can see what we're proposing?

So we get closer to the market, but we're still not right at the market rate.

So one bedroom really rents between 1200 and 1300.

And we're only asking to go to $1,116.

So all of these payment centers are off by between two and $300 each.

So we're reducing the gap, but we're still not getting to the actual true market rent.

I'm happy to say we moved to adopt the resolution.

I second.

Commissioner Wicks?

Yes.

Commissioner Parker?

Yes.

Commissioner Green?

Yes.

Commissioner Goldblatt?

Yes.

Okay.

CRHA resolution 1436, the resolution approving the Charlottesville Redevelopment Housing Authority 2020-2022 voucher payment standard schedule.

whereas pursuit 242 USC, section 1437 C1, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, HUD, annually published in the federal registry, fair market rent, FMR for each market are in the United States.

And whereas under 24 CFR982.503,

A1, the housing authority must adopt a payment standard schedule that establish voucher payment standard amounts for each FMR area in the authority's jurisdiction for each unit and size.

Whereas unit size is based on the number of bedrooms.

Whereas the authority may establish the payment standard amount for unit size at any level between 90%

and 110% of the published FMR for that unit size, 24 CFR 982.503B1I and whereas the authority must revise the payment standards amount no later than three months following the infected date of the published FMR if change is necessary to stay within the basic range, 24 CFR 982,

DOT 503B11, and whereas HUD has published a 22 FMR for Charlottesville City, which shall take effect on February 1, 2022.

Whereas they have been determined that an additional increase in payment standard is necessary to keep the pace with the regional and rental market and trends and limit shelter burden.

and whereas increased payment standard amount were firmly further fair housing objectives in the Charlottesville city region and surrounding counties.

Whereas the FMR for efficiencies has increased and the FMR for one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom, four bedroom, five bedroom units has decreased based upon the published 2022 FMR for Charlottesville city region.

and whereas the authority has reviewed the current average contract rents for the unit under a housing assistance payment contract and has determined that the payment standard should be established at 105% of the published 2022 FMR for the Charlottesville City region and surrounding counties.

Now therefore be it resolved by Charlottesville Redevelopment Housing Authority Board that the following payment standard schedule need to be adopted for zero, 1,075, one bedroom, $1,116, two bedroom, $1,327, three bedroom, $1,651, four bedroom, $2,056, five bedroom, $2,366.

resolve this 24th day of January, 2022 by the CRH Board of Commissioners.

I'm just curious about something.

I cannot give you a good answer on that one.

I can't give you a good answer at all.

They say they look at the overall market in average, but that can't be the case in the Charlottesville area.

And one issue is they look outside of just Charlottesville.

So we know surrounding counties other than Albert Mall rents are a lot lower that fall under the Charlottesville area.

And so that could be a cause of it.

But historically everywhere, the FMRs are way below the market.

And that's why families have a hard time finding units.

When I got here, we had a success rate of 51%.

So about 49% of the vouchers we put out were coming back because they were unable to find housing.

Another reason they want to assist more families.

That could also hurt a lot of families who are unable to find units.

So they call themselves helping, but they also do hurt a lot of families who are unable to find units in a compressed market like Charlottesville, where it pays a lot more to not have a unit accept a voucher.

And so those are the conditions that we're competing against right now.

And so we're looking, and Miss Knight is working on ways where we can get more landlords into the program.

If it's an incentive bonus, which we were doing at one point, if it's just a little more education about the program and the pros about the program, because the program has a lot of benefits

such as like when a lot of families weren't unable to pay their rent.

That was not a problem with this program.

We were still processing rent payments even when families were negatively impacted by loss of income.

Their tenant portion went down, but CRHA's portion increased.

And we saw, I think it increased by about $60 per voucher on average.

about a year ago is what we were looking at.

So

There's a lot of issues with the system.

We're not going to be able to correct it with 105%.

We're not going to be able to correct it with 110%.

It's probably going to be something that's at 125%, which is where we are with the CISRAP program.

But HUD doesn't allow us to get to 125%.

And financially, we would have to take back vouchers and mortar to make that happen.

So we would have less families getting assisted.

No, because that would be the complete opposite.

because honestly the areas where you want to, where they say deconcentration, you can't find a unit even close to the fair market standard.

So if they really believed in deconcentration, you would increase the payment standard in those areas to encourage individuals to go out there and landlords

They wouldn't have to reduce their rental rates so much in order to make it work.

Right now, it does not encourage that at all.

In fact, it does include opposite.

Last thing about leaving town altogether, moving to cheaper villages or something.

You'll run into the same issue.

Yeah.

Just like Lynchburg.

Lynchburg has the same issue that we're having.

No matter where you are, your payment standard adjust.

Okay.

Any other questions, commissioners?

Not Vice Mayor, but no, I don't have any questions.

I guess one question that came to mind actually is you said it would, like you ran the numbers on what was affordable in terms of setting that rate at 105% for like CRHA as an agency.

I did not run projections to get up that high because we would have to take other things into account such as us project basing vouchers.

It would remove that possibility of us doing that just because I think right now,

The reason we're able to go up to 105 is we have the possibility of leasing up 20 additional vouchers.

It would eat that up, that 105%.

So it would go to the possibility of leasing up zero additional vouchers by going up to 105.

But what we are banking on is none of this is going to happen all at one time.

So it's going to happen over time as individuals start to do their recertifications or new emissions, which we won't have many except for I think we have some mainstream that we need to lease up, right Consuela and some emergency housing vouchers that need to lease up.

But I don't think we have any or many

tenant-based vouchers that are on the street that would be impacted by this.

Commissioner Parker, do you have anything?

No, I'm good.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Call the question to vote.

Commissioner Wicks?

Yes.

Chair Henry.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Hello.

Hi.

I do want to let the board know that every month we have a hard deadline with HUD on the 22nd.

And it's pretty difficult to get our financials done by then.

I'm hoping to shoot for the 15th.

I actually have done that for quite some time.

And then once they're done we can work on, I work to get the

Reports out to the board.

So it's typical that they're not going to come with the packet.

And I hope that that's okay.

I'm continually working on an earlier date, but for now I'm happy to be able to get your current ones at least by the meeting time.

So hopefully that's acceptable.

I lost my notes here.

One second.

So there was not a lot of

Out of the ordinary activity, I do think if you focus on the month to date numbers in total, or if you look in really any of the cost centers, any of the individual properties or programs, the month to date is a little bit high because the December has the oddity of having that extra payroll.

There's 26 pay periods in a year.

Most months only have two.

but twice a year there's a third payroll.

The budget was never done to reflect that additional payroll.

We will going forward, we know when it happens.

It's easy to calculate by the calendar.

So this past fiscal year, it was July and December where the third payrolls hit.

So the numbers are a little bit inflated if you were to look like month to month on the payroll issue.

We've talked a lot about the shortfall, the one-time revenue with shortfall funds and PPP money.

The PPP money is done.

It is in there.

This fiscal year, there was $129,000 put towards primarily the COC in administrative salaries.

So that expense was pulled out.

and there's I believe around $550,000 of shortfall funds in this budget year to date.

There will be nearly an additional 100,000 that'll come in next month that'll help us out too.

So that kind of goes to the positive bottom line.

I'm trying to think what else happened.

The big thing was on our monthly, or I guess biweekly HUD calls,

You know, we've been hearing it that there was CARES money available to this organization.

And on the public housing side, there was a limit set.

And as you spent it, you could request to get those funds.

On the HCV side, they gave it all to you.

And we didn't spend it as of the end of the last fiscal year, we had $68,000 left.

So,

It's pretty specific HUD guidelines on what it can be spent on.

I think, you know, their regulations were dating back to the early days of the pandemic when they like buy a lot of hand sanitizer and face masks.

And obviously those weren't large expenses for us in the relatively recent past.

Maybe they should have been, but we did have plenty on stock.

I shouldn't say that.

but so we were able to identify some lines that fell within the parameters and we were able to utilize all that funding.

If we didn't, we would have to give it back.

And John really, really didn't wanna have to do that.

So we were able to spend it and the HCV program, the Rent Cafe program is the interactive piece of it that ties right into our, really our whole accounting

It's called YARDI and a system that we use to handle all of our transactions in public housing and HCV.

That was a big piece of it along with a vehicle for HCV, cause they're constantly doing inspections and incurring mileage there.

And there were a bunch of other miscellaneous line items.

We are updating wiring and connectivity in each of our offices, but the HCV office probably needed it the most.

And they were,

We were allowed to charge rent or to pay rent.

The HCV program was allowed to pay rent against the CARES money.

And that money went in as revenue to the 6th Street program community.

So that was an area that we were focusing on towards the end of the calendar year to make sure that that money was spent.

And

I'm not sure that I had too much else to add to that.

I don't know if anyone has any questions or if we need to put the financials up there.

I think that's about it.

Our audit took place in December also, which obviously was a very time consuming in preparation for my department and the programs too.

They had to pull files for onsite review.

The onsite piece of it was done.

There's still some pieces continuing.

We have gotten requests for our financials and they're not completed yet.

We're working with the auditors that are continuing to get

Schedules and information and documentation from me and some of our other partners like the recent one today had to do with Crescent Halls and the LIHTC program and construction and development project that's going on there.

So hopefully they will wrap it up soon.

I'll be happy when it's done.

I had a question.

I'm sorry, my internet is still going in and out on me.

So I apologize for some, but I think I was looking at a financial page that was showing the monies owed by units.

Not on the report that I provided.

Okay.

Yeah.

On the public housing report, that's the report you're talking about, Dr. Henry.

Give me one second.

Let me pull that up.

It is extremely high.

It means that we have roughly a third of our public housing residents not paying their rent.

And CRHA is not receiving

So we're not receiving the rental subsidy on it, which negatively impacts the overall financial standing of the housing authority.

You do not show it in, Councilor Payne and I were talking about this during our meeting.

Typically, when you have a very high tenant accounts receivable, it reflects in your budget.

It's not reflective in our budget this year due to the shortfall funding that has been able to mask it a little bit.

But if it continues at this rate future years, you would definitely be able to see it in.

HUD is calling it out at every meeting.

It's asked about like, what are we doing to address it?

So on the financial statements that I've provided to you, there's a line item for tenant rent.

It's actually on the very first page and it's the second line.

And that's the rent that we're receiving from people in our communities.

That number is as if everyone paid all the rent.

It's due to us.

It's what we're owed.

It's what we're allowed to claim.

So if in any given month or on this month in particular, we were able to charge $86,625 of rent is the tenant portion.

Year to date,

That number is 796,000.

So what'll happen at the end of the calendar, or excuse me, the fiscal year, we'll look at the accounts receivable.

It's now 100,000.

If it doesn't get better, it's probably going to get worse.

And if it's 150, we'll sit down with the auditors and we'll probably go through those accounts line by line and see which ones we would expect to recover.

If it only ends up being 50,000, there'll be a negative entry and it'll go to bad debt.

And it'll reduce this number from say we end up at 1 million and it would reduce it down to 900,000.

That's the impact of it.

So it isn't affected month to month.

Sorry, stabilization coordinator position.

That's a position that we need to be able to work, needs to work kind of liaison between finance and working with the residents and their accounts and eviction prevention of which payment is a piece of that.

to make sure that we kind of don't let these snowball.

Right now that position is vacant.

We haven't really, and so much of the year the rent was covered.

If you look at the fiscal year up till October, I don't know, it's three or four of the six months between the start of the fiscal year and the fall were actually paid through other sources, primarily the city.

So

What that means to be honest with you is that $100,000 receivable is actually worse than it looks because it's not based on a full year.

There was several months where the rent was covered.

So like Mary Lou just said, this is five months worth of tenants being fully responsible for their rent.

We covered, or the city through grant funding, covered April, May, and half of June.

We still had some money available and so

and other sources were able to cover some rent in July, I believe.

But after July is when the tenants became fully responsible for their rent and it has

It's been really bad far towards ever since then.

I mean, we went from, I believe the first month it was 15,000 to 45,000 to 80,000 to a hundred thousand.

We received $25,000 worth of commitments from the state to cover some of the past due rent.

And now we're back over a hundred thousand again.

So on average, about a third of our residents aren't paying rent a month.

We're working through this.

We knew it was gonna be an issue because it was an issue last year.

We thought we would have a good system in place where we had an eviction prevention coordinator that was actively looking for rent relief and submitting applications as families became delinquent.

That did not happen.

in August or in September.

As of September, I think we only had one application submitted.

In October, we had a total of three applications submitted.

But since then, the housing staff has submitted applications for everyone that owes Housing Authority more than $500, which is a significant amount of people.

I think the largest

The delinquency we had was over, I want to say it was over $10,000.

It was a flat rent tenant who had not paid rent.

And as we go back and look hasn't paid rent since the pandemic started.

but their wages have not changed because we also tracked that.

Anytime that someone loses their job, they can submit an interim change and we will reduce their rent based upon their income.

And so we've tracked a lot of these and they have not been changes but they have stopped paying their rent.

So we will have a eviction prevention coordinator housing stabilization position.

We will have that field.

And that person will be working with the families.

There's a policy now where the housing authority has to work with the families before moving forward with any eviction proceedings to at least get them to attempt to get the rent relief program.

and get the paperwork signed and turned in.

If the families are not willing to work with us to do that, then we are allowed to move forward evicting families.

We have not done that.

We've made a lot of phone calls, sent a lot of notices out, and that has been the extent of our enforcement.

If numbers continue to go the way they are going, we won't have a choice but to move forward with evicting families in order to try to get the rent paid.

That is the absolute last resort that anyone wants to go to.

But HUD would not allow us to continue to run this program if we're not collecting the rent.

That was one of the things that we were

that were identified in the audit as the housing authority having poor management because they were not collecting rent.

And so we have to make sure that we are attempting to collect rent.

And if we're not collecting rent, we are moving forward with enforcement.

Okay.

Anyone else?

I have a question that's a little bit more like zoomed out than just these finances.

I know when we were talking about Crescent Halls and how those units were changing from public housing units to some more voucher units, hopefully I've got that correct.

Like we just were talking about how the

Vouchers have a certain highest limit of what you guys can pay for it.

No.

No, HUD really, they will adjust our operating funds, which we have not received that dollar amount yet.

We have to submit our reports to HUD.

If you keep going down, John, Crescent Halls is there on its own.

might be towards the very end.

Oh, there it is.

And so this is what Crescent Hall currently looks like.

That will drastically change as we've moved the last resident out as of Saturday.

So the building is completely vacant.

But what I wanted to point out was the operating fund.

So this amount right here that each amp gets will change.

It changes yearly based upon occupancy.

So previous years, the housing authority operated under very low occupancy numbers.

That has changed.

The only site where we have current vacant units

South First Street, which is getting demolished, so we're leaving those vacant on purpose.

We have two at Sixth Street, which we're working to turn, and we have vacancies at West Haven.

We only have, I want to say, let me not say, and let me just pull it up.

We have a total of 21 vacant units.

13 are at West Haven.

Six are make ready, which means they count against us as active vacant units.

So the true number at West Haven where we're not getting any money for is six units.

At one point, that was a total of 26 units that we were not receiving any operating subsidy for.

So now we are only not receiving operating subsidy for six units.

Three of those units are at the final stage of being prepared to rent.

I believe after the inspections today, the property manager said one is ready.

Everything's done.

It's cleaned.

One was getting its floors buffed today.

And I believe the property managers found some cleanliness issues in the third unit.

So those will get addressed this week.

And then those units will be ready.

to be occupied.

We have seven units that are offline.

We don't receive any rental subsidy for them, but we do receive operating subsidy for them.

HUD recognizes those units are in need of a lot of work and it can't get done in two weeks.

So HUD allows us to take those units offline.

They will continue to give us operating subsidy for those units, but of course we're not collecting rental subsidy.

Our average rental

Rental payment is $247, I believe.

So we are losing money with those units being offline, but we are also not having to pay larger utility bills because in public housing, we also do cover the utilities as part of the rent.

At South First Street there's six offline units.

They are demo-disposed so we're not touching them for new families to move in.

At Sixth Street there's two units.

One is make-ready and one is offline.

I believe we had a ceiling fall in from a water leak that had

went unaddressed for months.

So we had to move that family into a new unit that we had just turned.

And so we took that unit in as a vacant unit and took it and put it offline.

Hopefully that addresses that question.

Or maybe it didn't, maybe I just added, maybe do you think of more questions?

I guess my, just like the numbers question is,

Is that operating subsidy?

or is it like nothing?

Not even close, it's like half.

So a lot of housing authorities are getting out of the public housing business just because the money you get from a public housing unit is roughly half what you could get for a voucher unit.

So a lot of housing authorities are taking their public housing and converting them to voucher units because housing authorities are allowed to do that.

So they're doing that to increase the operating in the feasibility of that development in the agency.

We are not doing that.

We're mixing.

We're going to, so like at Creston Halls, Creston Halls was 100% public housing.

Now it's 53 public housing units and 52 voucher units.

So the voucher subsidy you're going to receive, it's really going to help that property financially over a long term.

Unlike where we were a year ago, where Crescent Halls was losing on average a quarter million dollars a year.

And those are gonna be project-based vouchers, is that correct?

That's correct, they will be project-based.

Anyone else?

I have one question.

Just being new, like what is, you mentioned the one-time funding.

Yeah, if you want to scroll up to the first page,

that's the combination.

And John can speak to the shortfall funds methodology probably better than I can, but HUD makes it available to us, go up to page one all the way to the top on our fiscal year.

So we had funds available, I believe from the previous fiscal year,

and the last request that we did in November exhausted it.

And so that 28,000 was a portion of the request that we made, which was like around 100, I want to say 125,000 for public housing, primarily wages and benefits for maintenance staff, maintenance and admin staff and public housing.

The remainder of it, they, I don't know, John, the terminology, but they approved us to be able to access the next fiscal, this current fiscal year's funds.

And we got the remainder of that request in January.

So next month on the report, you'll see shortfall funds of about, I want to say it was $96,000 maybe was the balance of that request.

I'll take you.

I'll take that.

So when the housing authority submitted its financial

financial statements in position two years ago, it was deemed that the housing authority needed a bail out of, I wanna say it was $653,000 in order to get the housing authority to $0.

So the housing authority was averaging a net loss and had absolutely no operating reserve to cover any issues.

So if HUD,

If there was a government shutdown, the agency would ultimately shut down as well because there was absolutely no money to continue running the agency, running the public housing programs specifically.

So I'm gonna pull down to just the public housing program so we can analyze that a little bit.

So our monthly operating expense for public housing is $265,927.

That was for this most recent month.

And so the housing authority was a negative.

I can't remember the exact amount, but it was negative over $100,000.

and so HUD looked at that and looked at our expenses and said, okay, well, you qualify for this dollar amount in shortfalls to get you to zero and so you are sustainable for that year.

Well, then we submitted our financials the next year and based upon those financials, it was determined that in order to get to a month of operating reserve of two, two months operating reserve,

The Housing Authority qualified for another shortfall of about $630,000.

HUD has a way of determining when those funds are accessible to the Housing Authority.

They set it up in three tiers.

Tier 1, which is

Last year was $125,000.

This year was $98,000.

And so those are the tiers that you can draw down immediately.

Tier 2A and 2B are then, there's some restrictions set based upon your current financial position.

So when we submitted our financial position, I want to say was in May, we were operating on a two month of reserve.

So that opened us up to receive all of the shortfall funds from last year.

And so those are the funds that you can see, two seconds.

though the 542,000 right there.

So that's a total that we've accessed this year after using the first tier at the end of last fiscal year.

So I think we used it.

And I wanna say January, February, and March.

So starting April 1, we were able to start using tier 2A and 2B, but only if we were, we met the goal of HUD, which is to reach one MOR, month of operating reserve.

We got to two, so that opened us up to all of the funds without any other restrictions.

So we were able to draw down all those funds.

The new set of money,

It's over a half million dollars, it's 500 and I want to say 573,000.

And those funds, we can actually access them now, but we're choosing not to.

We're planning for the next fiscal year.

We're at a really good position in public housing, financially, or goodness,

There you go.

So john, the one thing that I want to add to if you can scroll over to the right just a little bit to show the budget column, and then the difference.

So here,

I have a program that it takes the, actually part of this financial statement is it takes that period to date actual, and it adds the budget for the remainder of the fiscal year.

It's not really that useful early in the year and the budget really, because it's just divided by 12 in the past, hopefully going forward, it'll be a little bit more meaningful, especially in the big ticket areas.

The good news on this is that, well, if you deduct the one-time funds of shortfall and PPP money, we would still be in a surplus area or a surplus situation at the end of the year, we would not meet the budget, but we wouldn't be in a deficit.

And that is projected through the end of the year is what I expect is that we would have, if,

using the budget as the last two months of actual or three months of actual, excuse me, we'd have about $775,000 surplus.

And if you back out the one-time funds of shortfall and PPP money, it still leaves us in a surplus situation.

Short of the budget, yes, but relatively healthy.

And the larger, and John correct me on this if I'm wrong,

Absolutely.

And so Mary Lou and I were talking earlier, this is gonna change some more.

I mean, we still have, I wanna say over $200,000 in capital fund operating money that we need to pull down.

And it's gonna go to one of the amps, which is gonna increase this by at least $200,000.

and that's not including the next few months operating on a positive.

So we'll be fine financially this year and probably financially next year.

But the big concern needs to be the tenant accounts receivable being so high.

I mean, is it impossible to look past that number?

Because if we had not had the rents covered the first few months, that number is easily $200,000 based upon the rents that aren't being paid and the high value, the dollar amount on those rents.

We've actually reduced the number of units

over time.

So at one point we had 50 something units at Crescent Halls being occupied.

We no longer had those 50 units and we still have a really high TARS.

So we were removed 50 units or so off of our list and we still in the numbers continues to increase.

So if

If you look at projections, I mean, we would easily be at $200,000 in TARS right now.

There are some housing authorities, Richmond, I think they were close to a million dollars.

They're a lot larger than we are, but I mean, it's an issue everywhere, but a lot of them are dealing with it and they're dealing with it through evictions, something that we have not done and we really haven't talked about a lot.

just because we know it, no one wins with an eviction.

The housing authority, we don't get the money back and the family is out of housing that they could actually afford and are forced to go to other options.

Once you get evicted from the public housing program, it removes you from the chance of using like a voucher.

Yeah, I think that answered my question.

No, I don't see a cliff.

We're going to get

the TARS that you addressed.

We have to, I mean, there's no way around it.

And so we're gonna do that.

And we continue to look at ways to cut costs.

Mary Lou, I'm sure she could give you probably 15 examples without thinking about it of ways she's found waste.

like helium tanks, unused services that we were paying for over the years, I mean multiple years paying for uniforms that half of staff wasn't using, water services where no one was using it, I mean and all these things just add up.

And so we're constantly looking for ways to cut costs, but we're also looking for ways to increase revenue.

So taking care of the units, we had a bunch of vacant units.

Well, filling vacant units is the best way to increase funding.

It increased your operating reserve and also increases your rental income.

So we're looking to do that.

We've shown that over time that we're turning the units and getting them in the field.

So we just have to continue doing that.

We've directly invested in that.

The board has made that a position in an initiative.

We've invested funds in there.

We've more than doubled the maintenance staff to make that happen.

So those things are happening.

I don't see it being a cliff.

Thank you.

Sorry, just one more question is, do you know, have a sense of when that eviction prevention position you referenced would get filled?

Yes, the position is posted.

I can't say when it's going to be filled.

It's really hard to hire folks nowadays.

It's a competitive market.

So we were trying to get it filled.

We have some applicants now.

I know I browsed it this morning and I know I found one that seemed like it would be a really good fit.

based upon the individual's experience.

But we don't have a timeframe of getting it filled, but I know Mary Lou wants to get it filled and I know Melinda Hite wants to get it filled.

And I definitely want to get it filled because I think that's going to be one of the main ways we can reduce the tenant accounts receivable.

We have a physical audit taking place March the 16th at West Haven.

That will be the first step to getting out of the troubled status.

And then we'll have a couple of program audits, one in May and one in June, I believe.

One for the HCV program, one for public housing.

Good job.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Okay, so now it's back to that same old issue.

that we've been going through in regard to committee appointments.

And the first one is in regard to a vice chair of the board.

And it is to be a community-wide person.

And I can say that the three that I know, I would be happy with any of them.

So I would,

The vice chair runs the meetings when you're not able to, Dr. Henry?

Correct.

Okay.

Commissioner Wicks?

Yes.

Chair Henry?

Yes.

USU would serve whenever I couldn't be here.

And as well, it would be a training for whoever's next when I'm finished.

Okay.

Mr.

Yes.

That's what I was getting ready to go to.

Okay.

And so that's okay.

That's quite all right.

Let's go on to the next ones.

And from what I can see, we have folks for the Redevelopment Committee.

That's what I wanted to ask you about, Mr.

Sales.

Mayor Walker's spot was actually a CRHA board spot.

Maddy has that one.

Okay, we're good.

Okay, so that one's full.

And then the resident services, that one's full.

And then the parallel track, someone told me that I had to be on that one and I would like to have Mr. Payne to serve on that as well.

and you can tell them what this committee is about, please, Mr.

So the maintenance of parallel track committee is, the maintenance committee is where we have, goodness, that's hard to explain.

All right, so it's there,

They're connected to redevelopment.

So the parallel track is the initiative that the housing authority is undertaking to address the public housing units that are not going to be redeveloped within the next five years, five to 10 years.

So it's Mickey Madison and Riverside and the scattered homes.

Brandon Collins is working with PHAR and the residents to identify what their priorities are when it comes to capital items, such as window replacement, AC installation, bathroom upgrades, kitchen upgrades, new siding, exterior upgrades to include parking lots, playgrounds,

anything on the ground.

And then the maintenance committee, they're all the same, they're both on the same committee, but maintenance is really addressing, and what we're looking to address now is more of like the policy and process issues to ensure that like when a resident calls, the work order is entered, and then the work order is addressed, and then there's follow up with that resident to ensure that all of their issues and concerns were addressed.

So what I envision the maintenance committee as, it's really a policy committee.

And that's what all of these committees should be.

It should be based on policy and not operations.

because operations are what I handle.

And so if they're operational issues, those should come to me on the housing authority and where the maintenance and parallel track committee issues are really policy issues where the board is determining the policy for the maintenance and parallel track.

Hopefully I explained it well.

Is that okay?

Yeah.

Okay.

I think that'd be a good one because it's what they're gonna do.

And some of it might center around modernization too, as opposed to demolition.

So, and maybe some of the residents might even want solar panels.

Just being funny.

All right, now personnel committee.

We have Ms. Wicks and that deals with the evaluation of the executive director and as well dealing with some of the policies and procedures.

We were meeting often.

We were meeting often before then too.

Our personal handbook is really dated and so we have a lot of work that needs to happen there.

So I do think it needs to meet monthly instead of quarterly.

We ran into a lot of

with the Housing Authority.

I'm blaming it on you.

Okay, so we'll put you down for that one too.

That's it.

John, put you down for something.

Let's see.

Okay, financial committee.

That's myself and Laura.

We'll be meeting on that one soon.

You know, guys, I'm gonna have a lot of meetings to go to.

Okay, and then CACF Strengthening Systems Project.

That's a PMT.

Okay, and this is the one that

You're on already, Mr. Payne.

I see your name on here, right?

Right, John?

I didn't know I was on it, but okay.

Oh yeah, I did know I was on it.

I guess PMT, yeah, okay.

Yeah, I knew I was on it.

I've been to the meetings.

Mayor Walker served on this committee as a representative from the city in CRHA, the board.

This is a strengthening systems between CRHA, the city and PHAR.

Yeah, so CRHA has one seat, well had one seat on the hack.

I don't know if that's going to continue.

And so we'll be waiting on the city council to determine how

how the board will or committee will be made up of for the HAC.

So I think at the last or one of the previous council meetings, I don't think CRHA had a permanent seat.

I do think it's important.

I think CRHA and a couple of other organizations, PHAR being one of them, should have a permanent seat on the HAC.

We are a board, the housing authority is a board that was created by the city.

So in my opinion, and I've shared that opinion with some city staff, that CRHA should have a permanent seat on the HAC.

And there was one other thing, Dr. Ram, sorry to cut you off.

During the redevelopment meeting, the admin meeting last week, there was a recommendation from the entire committee to add former mayor, Nakai Walker to the redevelopment committee as an at-large position.

We have several of them already on the committee.

Okay.

Well, since it was approved unanimously, then I'm adding her.

Yes.

I can't tell you yes, but.

Okay, yes.

We're adding her to this.

Either everyone can come to my office or I can make visits to everyone.

I do need to print and get it framed up really nice.

Okay well you may have to make a visit to get all these things we approved tonight signed by me because Brown has decided that they're not finished or they haven't started or whatever with my car yet so I'm still careless I can say I understand that position I don't I don't understand it at all but anyhow that's where I find myself right now

So basically that does it for our committee assignments until March.

The only other thing too, at some point I want to have, we want to have a retreat so that we can just go over some policy stuff and deal with ourselves as a board in terms of the bylaws and where we think they might need ways to be strengthened.

Joy has her hand up, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Okay, so anyway, I'm gonna conclude with that and we're getting ready to go to public comment anyway.

That's when we get to Joy.

So anyway, let me just finish.

Okay, so at some point we do wanna have a retreat and hopefully that will be when Miss Goldblatt is back among us.

So I would say maybe we would wait until we get the person in March.

Does that sound right to you guys?

When we have a full house, Mr. Payne?

Yeah, sorry.

I just wanted to, about the housing advisory committee, just, I'll definitely relay that to council about the desire to have a CRHA and PHAR position on it.

We really haven't even begun to discuss how we're gonna change that.

Thank you.

So now we can go to public comment.

Hi, good evening.

Welcome, Councilman Payne.

Looking forward to working with you.

What I wanted to say was that PHAR in whatever charter they had, PHAR does have a permanent seat on the HAC.

It represents the low-income community.

Yeah, CRHA does as well, but I think the proposal from city staff was to change that to having no permanent seats with only, I think, three housing providers, maybe.

I may be wrong on that.

They would have to apply and from those, the city council would select.

That was a proposal from city staff.

Okay, that's all I wanted to say.

The next speaker will be Ken Powell.

I'm sorry, I did not mean to raise my hand.

Oh, good.

You have a good evening.

Shelby, I saw you had your hand up at one point, but you lowered it.

Did you want to speak?

Good evening, Board of Commissioners.

I just wanted to reiterate what Joyce said earlier about, Michael, yeah, if you could follow up with city councilors about that, that is something that we definitely wanna make sure PHAR continues to have that seat on the hack.

And...

Didi Smith, if you are still on the call, could you reach out to me in regards to the, or anyone from that team, in regards to the Rivanna River Pipeline situation?

If there's anyone else that would like to speak on a public comment period, please raise your hand.

I move that we adjourn.

Third.

Commissioner Wicks?

Yes.

Commissioner Parker?

Commissioner Green?

Yes.

Chair Henry?

Yes.

Meeting's adjourned.

All righty.