City Council Meeting   10/19/2009

We're going to be a model for local food production.

And the bill has, although it still has bills on it.

He said, but you ain't never going to block these flat ground ain't got any rocks in it.

It's about market access.

Plants don't have personalities.

And I got one, so.

We have a great solution to some of these crises that we're now facing.

And you're watching.

So tell me, how did you get the idea to start in the kitchen magazine?

And as a result, I've gotten more questions and more people commenting about the meal planner after at least 10 years.

How's it affecting you?

And so on October 20th of this year, we're going to launch our website.

Oh, big new website?

Yeah, big new website.

InTheKitchenOnline.com So it's the same website address that's current, it's just going to change format on the 20th of October.

We call it the companion.

And so this program will be linked to that website and people can watch the program.

Oh, won't that be exciting?

And you're now a video star.

And now kicking and screaming.

The next thing we know we'll see Rowena texting.

I swear I will not Twitter or tweet.

How did you get that to go?

Good writers.

You're going to continue doing it for another 10 years?

Yeah, I probably will.

So you're really living what you're writing.

As a matter of fact, I have some of her cooking utensils here in the kitchen, and I still bake fruitcakes in her fruitcake pans.

So this is your real heritage that you're talking about?

I learned to make biscuits at her side so I knew the feel of combining the ingredients and you know we had plenty of butter and buttermilk and all of the ingredients and we would take our corn to the mill and trade it for for some flour and so yeah this is my heritage.

the situation with your grandmother and there really weren't a lot of measurements or things documented and written down and now you're having to convert all that and write it down for people that want to know precise temperatures and measurements and exactly how it's going to work out.

And that's how I learned to make Brunswick Stew, which is now in several good Virginia cookbooks.

So it's interesting that your love and connection with food kind of parallels that with the producers and the people that you're supporting when you write that magazine.

from various beat bombers around here.

So is this like the Beverly Hillbillies?

But when Ron wants to pick the squirrel every now and again, I won't let him do that.

So what, we've got 120?

It's one of these days I might get around to writing a book.

You never know.

I started with tomatoes and as I looked through getting things ready for you to see, I noticed that I have eight covers that have tomatoes.

You must like tomatoes.

Talk about shorthand.

That's why you had to explain all those abbreviations.

But this is one of my favorite covers because I love that old rooster and my friend who lives in Atlanta has just done this in oils for me which I proudly display in my kitchen.

Now where was that taken?

and we didn't have to alter what was our traditional menu except for those two things.

You know, the hunting party might be gone for days and travel many miles and then bring the food back, but I mean, you wouldn't declassify them as local because they went on a hunting trip.

So I've learned a lot doing in the kitchen.

I see another one of those chickens on there.

And there's a chicken at the end of each article.

Yeah.

Nice summary, Michael.

So is there anything that we didn't touch on that you really want

Well, by the time you've gone to the grocery store and bought the cake and made sure you, you know, it takes the same time.

And then you have all that stress of driving and the traffic and a huge carbon footprint.

Not only that, you have ingredients in it that you have not chosen yourself.

Not something that your grandmother would have as a list from the root cellar or from the paper.

I can't tell you how much money that saves, but the companionship and the doing it together is wonderful.

So there's really not only this increased nutrition, but there's an increased emotional and spiritual health of cooking food in the kitchen.

Take the time to show them how to do it, because they like to do things and they like to be helpful.

So you don't need an Xbox or a Wii, you just need a kitchen.

What's a Wii?

It's some funny electronic game that you play.

Oh.

It's like you hold a mouse or you hold something and you can be like it's a baseball bat or a golf club and the TV mimics, whatever you're doing.

It's just that my kitchen is simple.

Well, you started with wood stove.

Yeah, and a wooden bowl and your hands and pitcher of milk that didn't have to be refrigerated because you got it from the cow that day.

Is there something you'd like to ask of the readers and subscribers of In the Kitchen?

And remember that the launch is on the 20th of October.

Well, thank you very much.

It's been a lot of fun.

And thank you for joining us for another Meet the Farmer TV.

Today, we're at the White House Farmers Market.

From arugula to zucchini at the White House Fresh Farm Market.

and I would love to plop a piece of flat ground banana rocks in it and he thought for a second he said you'll probably live long enough to sell a two dollar pound of mayo he said but you ain't never gonna plop a piece of flat ground any rocks in it and it's the truth

Culpepper's Channel 21, helping to preserve the agricultural history of Virginia, and Flavor Magazine, serving the Piedmont's local food and wine culture.

It's me.

What?

She came to school with like a broken nose, black eye.

At our school recently we've actually had a locker first and then we bought the gun.

These teens are speaking out about violence in their schools and in their communities.

Um, broken, windshields, stuff like that.

Experts say violence among teens, especially when it comes to bullying, is out of control.

When kids do kill themselves because they can't take it anymore, it's known as bullicide.

Let's find out more about each one of them.

Truly idiotic.

If they would have kept fighting they would have went into like the stairwell and fallen in love with people and a lot of people would have gotten hurt.

No, I'm going to teleport.

I might as well just follow it and not get in a teleport.

I have witnessed that youth are destroying people's property.

And since we didn't have cameras on the outside of school, they didn't catch her doing it.

The only time I would advise to fight is if you're actually in one already and that's the only way you can, like, defend yourself.

I don't feel like my life's in danger or anything.

Tell us what happened.

It was after class and I was going out to the parking lot in my car and I was just walking along the sidewalk and a car about next to me and a girl got out and actually ran up behind me and started punching me in the back of my head and so I just turned around and asked her what do you think you're doing and she laughed and got back in her car and just drove off Anybody have any situations like this and no stuff like this going on other than their school or community similar things?

It didn't happen to me but one of my friends, her name was Chelsea and one of her other friends, I'm not sure of her name, they were at a park and some girls just came up and attacked them and took their purse and stuff and then had their brother's cousins, who knows, come and attack them too because afterwards they called someone and I guess the girls that attacked them saw that so they came.

Wow.

She was just telling about it and she came to school with a broken nose, black eye and it was pretty crazy.

I have.

and what happened right on the stairs right above us and we were watching it from the bottom and we were afraid that people were going to start falling over down the stairs onto us.

Has an effect on Angelo?

I don't think that it's just men.

And so by doing that, it's almost like we think that we'll be cool or we think that we'll be high enough if we do some of the stuff that men are doing and we take some of the ideas.

I think it does because I see a lot of shows.

Okay, so you hear music, you actually hear artists dissing each other in their songs, going back and forth and creating conflict.

I think that people see, like the media says this is cool and people watch it because that's what's on TV and then they hear and it's kind of just a general trend.

Yeah, Brian.

I think that's all in the person themselves, because I know a lot of people, and even myself, when we're angry or anything like that, music and games calm us down.

Tessa, what's your thought?

Like they have their right to search and seizure and that a search of a locker is a total invasion of privacy and I see how if it could help students it's such a good thing.

You don't feel it does, it sounds like.

It's our privacy, and really, who's going to, you know, store a gun in their locker when they know a search is imminent?

Stephanie, what do you respond to that mean?

I don't think anything should be taken lightly.

Yeah, Karime.

Yes, it was my freshman year and I had like, I don't know, like all these girls were like hating on me and they were talking trash about me and I felt threatened and I had times that I would skip school because I would feel

That does get me mad.

What's your reaction to that?

Home to our parents?

So take a look.

It's just specifically on those evenings we want them to be supervised by a parent or guardian and in doing so our focus is still the same to create the safest shopping environment for everyone who comes to the shopping center.

This is kind of sounds like targeting weekends when like you have this free time to go and so what's your reaction to this?

We've heard a lot of opinions and attitudes about team safety, but that's just the first step.

We'll be right back.

And remember, the U.S. is all of us.

Explain to these teens just how dangerous bullying can be and what we can do to combat it.

They have contempt for that other person, which is what bullying is.

All right, so let's brainstorm some ideas that you have.

I think cameras are a good idea.

Cameras, okay.

Because there are a lot of cameras around my school, but none going to the parking lot or in the parking lot, and it would have been a lot.

What are the key challenges that you see regarding teen safety in school and communities?

to be those role models, they usually are going to show us the way to go.

Do you have any suggestions that our teams could try to take on on how to solve this problem?

When you as an individual student step up and show to your peers that you can engage and lead, I think that is the best thing any school environment can have.

Okay, and how would you do that?

If you kind of take, say like you have two religious youth groups, like a Jewish group and a Christian group, maybe you have them do something together as opposed to always staying with their own religion or, you know, like maybe kind of getting groups to come together.

But what if, would you be willing to give that up if you felt it created a safer environment?

I really like the idea of cameras.

So you'd give up that privacy, cameras would help cover that?

The surveillance would observe people and that way they're not in our personal space but they're still making sure that we're safe.

Sarah, did you have a thought?

I always come up with the idea to go clubbing, like cause there's a lot of clubs throughout the school, Oasis, which is a Christian club, just Geek Club, which is a science club, and there's a bunch of clubs, and the way they said to integrate it, so if we go clubbing, like one day while they have a meeting, our Unity club will go check out what they're doing, and

Sit in other meetings and kind of hang out with them.

Absolutely, and see what's going on with that.

We'll be right back.

And remember, the U.S. is all of us.

And today, you'll meet one student who is determined to take action against the fear of violence that faces him and his classmates every day.

Lauren Martinez is a senior at Wheat Ridge High School.

He was hit hard by the violent deaths of some of his classmates.

As the students were leaving, they pulled out their guns and they did shoot out the house and one of our students was killed.

In the past two years, a total of four Wheatridge High School students unexpectedly lost their lives because of violent crimes,

Welcome to the Power of One.

After showing the motivational video, the Power of One committee was formed.

Kids sitting around the table talking about what they could do in the school and out of the school that would make a difference.

It's just a way to get the whole school together and show that we can help other people.

We wanted to unify the community and our school and so we wanted to put together a safe place where us kids can come together and have some fun.

With some creative thinking and hard work, Lauren and his team raised more than $7,000 for the first annual summer jam.

We had music, we had festival type atmosphere.

I wanted to get kids involved and wanted to have a night dedicated just for kids.

So myself, Mindy Duncan, and Kayla Navi, we were able to go to the Carnation Festival and recreate what we did at the Summer Jam.

People were out there seeing teens have fun in a great positive way.

Lauren and the committee has since presented their campaign to other schools at various conventions that address teen issues.

Lauren's always fun with David.

He's very, very enthusiastic about it, for sure.

Lauren Martinez, one person helping kids feel safe again, one student's voice being heard.

The power of one as a whole, as a whole world.

What do you think about what he did?

I didn't hear about the power of Juan at all and I only heard about the negative media attention that school got and I think it's sad that we don't hear about the good stuff that happened but I think what he did was really great.

Tessa, you got an idea?

You can make things that will show the community your true voice, kind of like the show.

Debbie, what are some of the things that students can do to take action like Lauren did?

Sometimes that can be a stopper for a young person but if we partner and if that young person reaches out and we do that partnering we have started the beginning of one plus one equals two and that just ripples right on out.

Barbara, what are your final thoughts on what kids and teens can do to take action in this situation?

Final thoughts, Adam?

Excellent.

I'm Bryan Harper, thanks for watching, and be sure to join us next time on Student Voices.

When I first moved to the US in 2001, my family didn't have a car and it was a little bit difficult to adjust to the new lifestyle.

When I first moved to Charlottesville 40 years ago, I checked out this library first thing.

As far back as I can remember, I remember using the public library because my mother used to take me to story programs.

I love books.

I can leave a bag and she'll take out the old ones and put in the new ones.

We really do have books and materials that are of interest to everyone.

It's a nice place to sit and comfortably read books, magazines.

Reading things, novels or non-fiction, opens up new worlds.

It's important for children to be exposed to books when they're very young and that's what helps to create lifelong readers.

So we really have something for everyone at the public library.

I'd like to call this meeting to order, and we're going to start with the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Ms. Koch, can you call the roll, please?

Are there any other announcements or other items to be added at the end of the meeting?

Thank you, Ms. Edwards.

And I would like to ask other councillors if you have any thoughts you would like to share before we actually take a vote on this resolution.

I don't know why it did not happen so we had to waste 20 years but I'm glad to be part of it and I think this is the right thing to do.

Thank you.

So I think it's important that we recognize that.

meaningful changes and take meaningful action so we can make sure that several years from now, when my daughters are on council, they aren't apologizing all over again for the decisions that we're making then.

Yeses.

Yes.

Mr. Martin, is there anything you would like to share with us tonight on the occasion of passing this resolution?

So I applaud your efforts and your willingness to do this.

The first person is Anne Carter.

I'm happy.

and I want to publicly thank you as well and our legacy for your efforts in that endeavor.

So I would say, dredge here, dredge now.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Marion.

Thank you.

The next speaker is Collette Hall.

Stop wasting rate payer's money on uncoordinated lawsuits.

Paul Nam.

And I want to thank all of you for your time.

Jay Ferguson.

The Paramount Theatre, mindful of its own history and dedicated to a better future for all, is honored to support this resolution and to provide a venue where we, the entire community, can join together to celebrate the arts, our community, and our future together.

Thank you Mr. Ferguson.

for actual projects in addition to providing a consultant team that would find practical applications that are cost effective for these systems might actually give projects for companies like mine to bid on and it's the projects that I need to hire workers, not job training in schools in addition to that.

Stratton Salitas.

The city never agreed to that and the process is going on right now as if the city had agreed to an at grade intersection and I hope that you all will direct the staff to clear this up and to really make sure that you are following federal laws if you plan on doing this.

Thank you, Mr. Salinas.

I tried talking things out with her, but there was nothing basically we could come to an agreement with.

Mark, what was the exchange that you had with the people?

That's why I'm here today.

Kevin Lynch.

You know, the original RFP had 10...

Your time is up, so if you want to wrap up.

Thank you sir.

I will now open up to council member responses to matters by the public.

He's a friend of mine and I'd certainly would be a reference to his character.

Ms. Edwards?

is a part of that and maybe this would be a good opportunity for that to happen and in terms of restorative justice, I think that's the message I always hear from Betty Mooney and Dee Dee Smith and even from Kevin Mooney, what's your concerns about the plans for our water supply?

If I could, I'd be interested in seeing it.

We do our own research also, just like Dr. Brown, I also went to visit the class and there's more information if you don't want to make a decision but sometimes concern when you do make a decision just because you always don't speak at the City Council meeting the one that you thought about it or worked on it, researched it, so it's a different kind of style, I also like to speak

Are there any items to be pulled from the consent agenda or any comments or motions of the law?

There's someone.

Ms. Hildebrand.

Do you have some introductory remarks, or do you just want to start with the PowerPoint?

I've got Tom here, Jim Talbert, Craig to answer any questions.

Questions for Ms. Hildebrandt or other staff?

Thank you for the landscaping that you had asked.

In the language for the Ease of Deed, a landscaping plan was added and it was also modified to incorporate preservation of trees wherever possible and the language that was in question was basically omitted from the Ease of Deed that was a concern from the last time.

Ms. Edwards, you looked deep in thought.

If it weren't so, I guess, divine intervention that VDOT is available to make the contribution, what would be the plan?

And the city would be responsible for 100% of the cost since the city contributes the only flow to that line.

Would there be another way of planning this?

So I would say it's pretty close to the route that it would probably ultimately be in.

And so what we're doing now is state-of-the-art sewer lines and any other technology that we could be using for management of wastewater and sewer and everything is state-of-the-art.

sometimes four to five times the cost of open cutting but it's usually only used where like if you're crossing Melbourne Road because you might necessarily want to open cut Melbourne Road so you use it in short lengths boring and then you don't have to open cut but other than that with replacement it's usually open cut

This is a line that only serves city properties, is that correct?

That's correct.

Is there another alignment that we could use for this line that would not result in as much impact on the environment of McIntyre Park, specifically trees and foliage?

Unfortunately, when you're installing sewer lines, they do have an impact and it is unfortunate sewer lines have to be put, the bigger lines have to be put along creeks and riverbeds in order to maintain gravity flow.

Maybe you could talk about that a little bit more because we have that around the city where we have high point sites, which is the case here.

That's right, that's right.

If you look around the city, that's the case all over the city.

Most of the line was 25 to 30 feet deep and we were within 100 feet of the waterway.

That's crack.

That's exactly crack.

Other comments or questions before we bring this to a vote?

And when will the work actually start?

It's currently in the five year plan that was published as a number two priority.

We started about five years ago.

You should just be able to talk into that mic too, Tom.

provide for the safe and effective operation of the system in the future that recognizes environmental priorities and eliminates some of the concerns you saw on the screen.

I guess my question was then when, if it's been a number two priority for the last five years, when will the work begin?

Well, the idea is they'll address it after they've completed the MediCrate, the Semiline, which I'll give you.

Not work independently, but to work together and coordinate these efforts that we needed with the proposal that the city had with respect to the park and the roadway.

And two, since there's still a lot of unanswered questions regarding the parkway and the road, is it appropriate to make this decision now, wait until some of those things are answered or until the other interceptor line is completed?

So it would make sense to go ahead and take the opportunity to reduce the overflows and speed up the process.

When do we take into consideration the rest of the line?

The downstream portion will be brought to you with the Meadow Creek easements.

I'm sorry, I'm talking about South.

Yeah, that's their next priority, their capital program.

Is that, I think that's what he's trying to ask.

There'll be as well.

From our point of view, again, that one works too.

But in terms of the need and priority and the environmental benefits associated with improving that system, that work could begin, if you were doing it based on those criteria alone, that work could begin immediately.

Is it safe to say, I think you said earlier tonight, that I think it's important for the public to know that for the stretch of the pipe that we're talking about tonight, it's to be built in the existing right-of-way, or most of it would be built in the existing right-of-way for the parkways, for a magnetic diode extent, is that correct?

All of it is within the already approved VDOT temporary easement.

We're not going to be talking about any additional clear... Where the line was built or not, that would occur.

That's correct.

But that's not necessarily true for the southern part of the park, is that correct?

I don't think we know at this point because we don't know the final design for the interchange.

I think somebody mentioned to me that our best guess is that it will require additional, it will result in additional impact beyond the BDOT construction easement for the remainder of the interceptor south of what we're talking about tonight.

I know that the

I think that's one of the unknowns at this point, as Tom said, but the other is that there's a portion of that easement, since the interchange project is our project, that VDOT won't be involved in, and so there won't be temporary construction easement, it's just where the line is drawn, what's the interchange and what's the road extended, so at this point, the reason, as he said, we can't move forward is we don't have the final design for the interchange quite yet, so it's premature to finalize the sewer design.

10, 15 feet or 20 or whatever it could affect where the sewer line would go.

So I think that's an important consideration when we talk about why the need for priority with the line.

the route for the pipe to be adjacent to the road and again I think that it's been pretty well explained to me that because of the topography the road's just up on a hill and on a ridge and this is down next to the creek and there's some real challenges to do that and those are the things that I left last meeting thinking we really need to clear up and I feel like CATEC have done a good job of doing that and I appreciate it.

Listen, I feel like I'm in an odd place because right now I serve on the city council and I also serve on the Red and Water Sioux Authority and I'm not even willing to grant the easement to myself because there are just too many unknowns.

and the parties in the south section the mayor was talking about were still to be decided because of the interchange, should it affect the interchange?

But I don't feel that I could move this forward in good faith without having the final design for me to change.

Is that in motion?

So I think it was ready for a vote.

I think that reflected in the motion that the language was changed, just so it's...

But the attachment to it, you don't...

Does the law need to be changed during the last several years?

That's probably a good idea to have that in practice.

I'd like to move that we amend the previous ordinance to reflect landscaping and any other changes that have been brought for us today.

And the easement passes.

Thank you very much.

Ms. Tucker.

I'll just pause to see if you have any questions regarding our upcoming public hearing.

Can you address the concern that Mr. Salinas raised earlier about VDOT apparently saying that the submitted plan shows an at-grade intersection even though the city has said very clearly that we will not approve an at-grade intersection?

Would they then go back to the remainder of their full project term and I and complete their project?

At what point does the city just correct the record?

Should we then move forward with the interchange?

I mean, the real purpose, I mean, maybe I shouldn't say, isn't I'm sure what the real purpose is because we don't want to link the projects and therefore federalize this road.

that would improve the accident rate at this, that currently exists at this intersection that's three times the statewide average.

I remember asking, I asked personally to see designs that showed how a grade separate interchange could work without McIntyre extended and we never saw that in any of the designs that we...

statewide transportation plan, transportation improvement plan, the MPO's long-range plan, and we have to consider all of those projects in the context of designing the interchange.

Other questions, comments?

Is that the first open?

It is not being relocated.

And then also as far as the egress from Charlottesville Albemarle Rescue Squad, they are just being moved and relocated, correct?

that is proposed for relocation closer to.

It should be safer and better, aren't they?

Yes.

And coming out right at the intersection.

We believe so.

Okay, I would think so too.

Other questions?

When do some of this programs come back to city council for decision or action?

We have an open comment period through November 9th, so once we summarize those comments into the overall public hearing transcript, we anticipate coming before council at your November 16th meeting.

Thank you.

I just don't think we can allow VDOT to portray it otherwise.

And may I ask what form that clarity would take?

I'm not sure what the best opportunity to relay that.

We've worried about what is the best thing to do, but there is all the work to do.

We've certainly done that and I don't have that here before me but if that

And I'm not suggesting tonight that we go there, but I'm just saying that the default position isn't necessarily an accurate intersection.

It's the question whether or not there's another opportunity to

I don't want to go there tonight, but I think the point you just raised about whether it's just documenting the paper trail or just making it explicit in writing what the city's position is for all to understand, that would satisfy my concern.

and you'll receive a full transcript of all written, court transcribed and publicly given comments between now and November 9th.

Okay, next on our agenda is a report on water supply issues from Rivanna Water and Sewer Authority, Mr. Frederick.

I think the cost would be fairly substantial to do that.

Schnabel is saying it might actually cost more.

I hope that helps you a little bit.

How do you explain that discrepancy?

They're both experts in their field.

Are we referring to just repairing them or making it taller?

Well, the question is not always in the context of making it taller, not simply repairing the dam.

I don't know.

So you've got 15 million versus 16 million.

Right, right, and I'm just asking you guys- The panel has extensively questioned the estimates, again, that he came up with.

Sure.

There would be some fairly substantial costs, but I'll leave that for you to consider or ponder.

Are we talking 50,000, 500,000, 5 million?

So that was the completion, as best I understand, that completes that particular study in terms of the question that was asked.

I'm assuming that modeling was based on the projections that are reflected in the current water supply permit and plan in terms of a 5% smaller per capita consumption of water.

So hydrologics did in their model show 20% conservation during a drought emergency declaration and they also told us what triggers to look for as to when to invoke that emergency.

Is that 20% over