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City of Charlottesville
City Council Meeting 8/20/2007
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City Council Meeting
8/20/2007
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It is estimated that over 40,000 people have either witnessed or participated in the sport of dog fighting in the United States.
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And in Virginia, we're certainly not immune from this horrific sport.
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Because of the nationwide awareness of this issue, we will be dedicating this episode of Whiskers and Tails to the battle against dog fighting.
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We hope to provide you important information to help battle against this crime against animals.
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Hello once again everyone and welcome to the August edition of Whiskers and Tails, a show all about your SPCA and on this edition we are going to be talking about a very serious issue that's been in the news very much lately and that's dogfighting.
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We want to warn you that some of the video you're going to be seeing may be a little bit disturbing to some folks in your household but we'll get to that in just a moment.
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In the meantime, of course, joining me as always is Suzanne Kogut, Executive Director of the SPCA.
SPEAKER_03
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And as always, I brought a friend with me, too.
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I brought Fergus here.
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So we can tell you more about Fergus in a little bit.
SPEAKER_28
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Great.
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Now, this is our second edition of Whiskers and Tails.
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And the name may sound familiar to folks that frequent the SPCA.
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Of course, it's the newsletter that comes out every month or every quarter.
SPEAKER_03
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Actually, we have two newsletters that we send out during the year.
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And we also have an annual report just to update people with what's going on at the SPCA.
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So our next newsletter should come out probably somewhere around the end of August.
SPEAKER_28
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Well great, well we look forward to it and of course we're in the midst of summer and summertime you might be looking for more volunteers because some of your regular volunteers are either at school or now not at school or on vacation, right?
SPEAKER_03
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And we're just very busy during the summer so if anyone is interested in volunteering come by the SPCA, we have a quick orientation class and we can move you on your way and get you involved in something you really
SPEAKER_28
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Enjoy with whether it's a cat, dog, a guinea pig, or a bunny.
SPEAKER_03
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We have opened up our new rummage store and this is just very exciting for us.
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It gives everyone the opportunity to shop all year long.
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Thank you Fergus, I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_31
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Fergus is excited too.
SPEAKER_14
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Fergus is very excited about the store.
SPEAKER_03
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It also gives people all year long to donate to help the animals at the SPCA.
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The store is located at 943 Preston Avenue.
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and that's right by Shenandoah's Coffee and Martin's Hardware.
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So it's really going well.
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It's just, you know, I think it's the new era for the SPCA rummage store.
SPEAKER_28
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I went by there last week and noticed there's a lot.
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I mean, you typically expect some items in the rummage sale, but you get some unusual donations, which I guess is good.
SPEAKER_03
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We've had a lawn tractor, almost brand new lawn tractor donated.
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We have an inflatable boat, a big boat.
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We have a telescope.
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Wonderful furniture that was never used.
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It was used in model homes.
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So we get some fabulous items donated.
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Wonderful children's clothes.
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Just go ahead.
SPEAKER_28
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Well good.
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Well we hope that folks find the time to make it down.
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It's a permanent location now, right?
SPEAKER_03
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It is a permanent location.
SPEAKER_28
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Good.
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Last month's edition we had Mosby and Mosby ended up having a good experience.
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I think he's got some good news to tell us.
SPEAKER_03
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Our old man Mosby did get adopted.
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He's a wonderful senior dog.
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and he went to home and they just said he's absolutely the greatest dog ever.
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They said two days, it only took him two days and he has his little routine, he goes for walks with his new owner, an hour walk every day and then they just sort of hang out during the day and they said he's just wonderful.
SPEAKER_28
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That doesn't surprise me.
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We've got another wonderful adoptable pet here and this is Fergus.
SPEAKER_03
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This is Fergus, and Fergus is a pit bull or a pit bull mix, and we brought Fergus to show the true side of a pit bull, one that's raised right and traded right.
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And this is not a dog that wants to fight, this is a dog that wants to give kisses and hang out and be in a family.
SPEAKER_28
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And there's really a special type of family that you would want for a pit bull, right?
SPEAKER_03
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We do think that people that come in to adopt a pit bull, what we're really looking for is that they're very responsible pet owners.
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So you know, Fergus may be a great dog, but there's a lot of people that are going to be afraid of Fergus just by the way he looks.
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He should never be running anywhere, not on a leash and not under control.
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So that's what we're really looking for in pitfall adopters is that you're going to maintain your dog under control at all times, put some time into training them and making sure they're just sort of ambassadors for their breed.
SPEAKER_28
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Okay, well he, Pergus has a lot of energy and we hope to find him a very good home this month.
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And coming up we're going to be talking about dog fighting and dog fighting of course has been in the news lately and we've brought down a special guest from Washington.
SPEAKER_03
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We brought down the Humane Society's top dog in combatting dog fighting, and that's John Goodwin, so it'll be a really interesting discussion.
SPEAKER_28
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That's a special gift for us and something to look forward to.
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But before that happens, we want to take a look at, of course, the adoptable pets that we have for this month, and we've got some great ones to choose from.
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And coming up next, the Humane Society's John Goodwin joins us to talk about the cruel reality of dogfighting.
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It's an important discussion you don't want to miss.
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You taught him how to hit a baseball, how to hit a receiver, the strike zone, a nine iron, the net.
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You even taught him how to hit the open man.
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How much time have you spent teaching him what not to hit?
SPEAKER_01
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The order was overwhelming and the dogs were found in their own feces in their own urine.
SPEAKER_31
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Most of those rescued so dangerous they often must be euthanized.
SPEAKER_04
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Chewed up and mugged and
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They take little innocent animals and use them as bait.
SPEAKER_12
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I had a couple of dogs where, you know, he lost and I was spending some big pound money.
SPEAKER_09
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And once he lost, I took him outside and blew his brains out.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
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A loser either is left to die of its wounds, its gunfire, its shock, its amount of sense, and the message is this is what happens to a loser.
SPEAKER_28
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Welcome back to Whiskers and Tails.
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We're about to get into a segment that's right on the serious side.
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And we want to warn you that some of the video you may be seeing is going to be disturbing.
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But we thought it was important to bring you this segment to talk about an issue that's been in the press a good deal lately for good and bad reasons.
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And we're going to be talking about dogfighting, of course, and the VIC trial that's going on here in Virginia.
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And we've brought down a special guest from Washington with the Humane Society.
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I thought Suzanne Kogut could introduce him.
SPEAKER_03
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Today we have John Goodwin and John's the manager of animal fighting issues at the Humane Society of the United States and I'm sure with that position you've been quite busy lately, John.
SPEAKER_27
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We certainly have.
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This VIC indictment and this trial that's coming up have really put a spotlight on dog fighting.
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And I think a lot of people didn't realize how pervasive this is in their communities.
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And I'm hoping that now that there's some attention on this, we can really tackle this as a community, as a whole, an American community.
SPEAKER_28
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Try to eradicate this scourge from our towns.
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Hey John, we've got the 19 page indictment here.
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Read through it.
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It's tough reading.
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There's some really disturbing details in this.
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What can you tell us more specifics on what's going on here in the trial?
SPEAKER_27
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Well, this 19th page indictment goes into some very graphic and gory detail about what was going on in Surry County on that property.
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I mean, this property was the nerve center of an interstate network of dogfighters that went up and down the East Coast.
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And this indictment alleges that these people were executing dogs that didn't perform as well as they wanted them to in the fighting pit, hanging them, one dog doused with water and electrocuted,
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One dog slammed to the ground violently to kill him.
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Just all sorts of brutal horrific things.
SPEAKER_28
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Is this abnormal for other dog fighting rings that are prevalent in Virginia and other places in the country or is this generally the rule?
SPEAKER_27
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Well, dog fighting rings generally will kill dogs that they don't believe perform up to par the way they want them to.
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Meaning the dogs that don't show enough aggression towards other dogs.
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The dogs that don't show a willingness to keep fighting when they're severely hurt.
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Now the means of killing those dogs in these criminal dog fighting circles is usually gunshot or electrocution.
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In this indictment they talk about dogs being hung, dogs being drowned.
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I found that shocking that they put that much extra energy into making these killing methods just that much more cruel and sadistic.
SPEAKER_03
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It was actually, it was hard to read the newspapers and really even to think about the dogs in those situations and what they went through.
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I think anyone if you even
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When I read the paper, I almost didn't even want to think about it because if I did, I just couldn't even imagine it.
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It's a tough thing.
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I will say that one thing with this case, though, is it's highlighted and it's brought attention to the cruelty and the fact of how horrific this sport is and that it exists.
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And it's really brought it to people's attention that we need to stop it here in the state of Virginia and everywhere.
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I mean, this just shouldn't be happening.
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It's hard to understand why it happens.
SPEAKER_27
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Well, there's no question that what we've had here is one culture, which is the predominant culture where dogs and other animals are seen as family members, as loyal companions, and we spend a lot of money buying them treats and taking them on vacations with us and just really having meaningful relationships.
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And there's this subculture that use dogs as nothing but tools that they put in these pits to fight till one dog is dead or so injured you can't continue.
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and then if they don't fight well enough they're disposed of by cruel and brutal means and these dogs are seen just as some sort of commodity in a gambling and in a violent animal fighting industry.
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Those two cultures have had a head-on collision here.
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Hopefully with this spotlight on this issue we can start to tackle dog fighting and eradicate it.
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That really depends on how we all respond, though, from here on out.
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If you talk about money, how big of a business is this?
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Well, there are some very large sums of money that are bet at some of these dogfights.
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Now, in the indictment against Michael Vick, they discussed a night where he is alleged to have bet $23,000 in some dogfights, and he had that money in a backpack in cash and handed it over after the dogs he was backing lost.
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Now in Texas last year there was a dog fight between two dogs they described as grand champions.
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Now in the dog fighting world a grand champion is a dog that has won five contracted matches and has zero losses.
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These dogs fought for $100,000.
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Now the way we know about this is the person whose dog won and took home that $100,000 was later murdered in his home by people that probably were at that dog fight.
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and Ransack that home until they found what was left to sell that money.
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This is a very violent world, it's a very cruel world and the cruelty extends even beyond the dogs.
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In Chicago, the police department took 332 cases where people have been arrested for dog fighting or animal cruelty.
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They analyzed them and they found that 86% of the people arrested for these crimes had been arrested at least twice.
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59% have known gang affiliation and two-thirds have been arrested for narcotics related offenses.
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Another two-thirds have been arrested for some sort of violent crime, whether it be assault and battery, domestic violence, or something along those lines.
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That's the profile of the dogfighter.
SPEAKER_28
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So these criminals are getting back on the streets.
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Are laws not
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It varies from state to state.
SPEAKER_27
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Now in Virginia, dog fighting is a felony, attending a dog fight is a felony, but we need police to put time and energy into targeting these people for arrest, and we need prosecutors to prosecute these, and we need judges to give out good, strong sentences.
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When you look at the Michael Vick indictment, and you see these allegations of bets for $23,000
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You have to think about this.
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This can be, for the winners, a uniquely profitable gambling crime.
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So you have to have a sentence that's strong enough to offset the gain that take on from breaking the law.
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And so you have to have good, long jail sentences, good, high fines.
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Otherwise, you're just not going to deter this activity.
SPEAKER_28
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Questions for both of you all.
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How is Virginia?
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Are we tough?
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Are we lenient?
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What do we need to do to change it?
SPEAKER_27
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In my view, the law is fine, but we need prosecutors, we need these commonwealth attorneys to really apply the law to the max if we're going to get serious about eradicating dogfighting.
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And communities benefit, animals benefit.
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It's win, win, win.
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Prosecute dogfighters and get these people off the streets.
SPEAKER_03
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No one wants this type of violence breeding in their community and there's all sorts of dog fighting.
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There's the organized ranks and there's also sort of just the street fighters and these are the young kids that are tougher if they see someone on the street and they have a dog and their two dogs fight.
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So there's different types of dog fighting and we need to be really trying to attack it from all areas.
SPEAKER_27
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Well that's right.
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In one particularly rough neighborhood in Chicago, some folks went into an elementary school and they asked how many of them had attended dog fights.
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One in five kids at this particular inner city elementary school had attended dog fights.
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So you've got children that are going to these events and watching these dogs maul or destroy each other.
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The adults they come with are cheering these fights on.
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They're being desensitized to cruelty.
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They're being taught that this is normal behavior.
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And really their minds are being warped.
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So if you have a generation brought up like that, it does not bode well for the future of the country.
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So this is an animal protection issue, this is a community issue, this is something that everyone has a stake in.
SPEAKER_28
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I guess one of the things that surprised me among others in the indictment was how organized everything seemed to be, that there were trips that they would take to
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I don't think people are aware of just how widespread dog fighting is and I think a lot of people are probably surprised to learn just how cruel and brutal it is.
SPEAKER_27
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Now I've gone along with law enforcement on raids
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In one raid this past March in Ohio, we found a female pick bull and the front half of her lower jaw had been completely broken off.
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Now this dog fighter who owned this dog did not put her out of her misery.
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He had kept her alive.
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This was an older injury that had finally healed over.
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He kept her alive for breeding so that they could get more fighting dogs.
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And, you know, that's dog fighting right there.
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That's the face of dog fighting.
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This poor girl admits pain in this breed, but that's what this dogfighting world is about.
SPEAKER_28
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Suzanne and I were talking, I know that you brought along a booklet here.
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We were going through some of the equipment issues that they used to create a more aggressive dog, and certainly in the breeding process.
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I don't know if you had a comment about that, but it's just, it's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_03
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I think people think naturally these dogs like to fight.
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And I think what we need to get across to people is they're trained to fight.
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I mean, you hear about fighters taking a tire and getting the dog to latch onto a tire and putting that 40 feet in the air so if the dog lets go,
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You know, that dog can die or, you know, it'll fall off there.
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Or things with the treadmill.
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I'm reading information about, you know, putting animals, small animals, and putting a dog on a treadmill and getting them to run after the small animal and then actually giving them as a reward to kill that animal after they're done.
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I mean, what other types of conditioning, you know, sort of things do you see with these dogs?
SPEAKER_27
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You know, the dog fighters have come up with so many different ways to get these dogs in shape.
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It's almost like an NFL team, you know, with their trainers getting these guys in shape.
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I mean, there's just a plethora of means these guys use.
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They'll have the flirt pole, which is basically like a fishing rod with a
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A little string dangling down with some sort of knuckle object attached.
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They'll bangle over the dogs just to get them kind of on their back legs moving back and forth to increase the muscles on their back end so when they're fighting they'll have that leverage from the back end of the body.
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Of course the treadmill is a very common tool dog fighters use for the same purposes to build up stamina and to burn off fat.
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These guys have just a range of exercises these dogs put them through and it's usually a period of time of about six to eight weeks prior to a fight
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In that whole time period they're going through these conditioning and training methods to get the dog ready to kill the other dog.
SPEAKER_28
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Is this a problem in the Charlottesville area?
SPEAKER_03
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About a couple years ago we did have one dog fighting case.
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It was about
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There were five dogs that were confiscated and there was a prosecution in that case and the gentleman did go to jail.
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I think it's a problem everywhere in Virginia and clearly the Charlottesville area is not immune to it.
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If you just look at the sheer numbers of pit bulls that we take in, pit bulls not well cared for, skinny, emaciated, with scars, with wounds,
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and so it exists out there.
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I think it exists everywhere in Charlottesville and in Virginia.
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You know, how do you combat that?
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I know we have the Virginia Animal Fighting Task Force as a resource for animal control officers throughout the state of Virginia and the Humane Society has been a wonderful resource, right?
SPEAKER_27
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Right, right.
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We have a lot of information at Humane Society.org about dog fighting, what people can do to get dog fighting out of their community,
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and just to really get active on this issue.
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Now, you mentioned the Virginia Animal Fighting Task Force.
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This is a new entity in the past year so that it's made up primarily of animal control officers and people of law enforcement background.
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I'm on the board of this organization as well, though I'm not in law enforcement, but just provides some more expertise on dog fighting.
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And this is a task force that's available to assist any community around the state that needs
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We have helped with confiscating animals, expert witnesses, people to come along on these raids and help identify paraphernalia that would constitute evidence in a dog fighting case and this is an organization that people can contact me through HumaneSociety.org and I can put them in touch with the
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folks, the Virginia Animal Fire and Task Force, if this is an organization that could be of use to them.
SPEAKER_28
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John, thanks for coming down to talk to us on this very difficult issue.
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I know that we all hope that this discussion will help us to shed some light on this really horrific practice of dog fighting.
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We appreciate the work that you do at the Humane Society.
SPEAKER_27
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Well, I hope it does shed some light on this, and thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_28
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And if you suspect dog fighting is occurring in your neighborhood, alert these local law enforcement agencies immediately.
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And here's a list of other resources that will provide information on dog fighting and other animal abuse.
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And when we come back, Suzanne joins us with another success story.
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Whiskers and Tails will be right back.
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SPEAKER_28
00:26:32
And welcome back to this month's edition of Whiskers and Tails.
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And this month, a little bit of a difficult edition to deal with.
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Of course, dogfighting has been in the news.
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And we hope that we've created an environment where you know a little bit more about what goes on with dogfighting and hopefully giving some tools to the public to make sure that we can combat dogfighting and keep it out of our neighborhoods.
SPEAKER_03
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It's a tough reality, but it exists in communities throughout Virginia and throughout the country.
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Hopefully now people are more aware and we can stop this because it should be stopped.
SPEAKER_28
00:27:01
That's true.
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And of course one other thing that should happen is Fergus needs to get a home and he's been with us for this half hour and he certainly has been well behaved and I hope that we can find him a great home.
SPEAKER_03
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He's ready.
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He's ready.
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If you're looking for some love and some kisses, Fergus is the dog for you.
SPEAKER_28
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Now at the end of every segment we have our success story and I know you've brought a very special one today.
SPEAKER_03
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Well, you know, and I think this story shows that you can have a success with a pit bull that has had a rough start.
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We actually had a little pit bull mix that came in and when she first came into the shelter,
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She was really terrified of everyone and everything and so much so she wouldn't even stand up to go to the bathroom.
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She would just lay down and go to the bathroom and urinate on herself.
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We really actually thought this was a dog that may not come around.
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Within a short time she did come around and we put her with some other dogs and she played and she had a wonderful time at the shelter.
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She has now been adopted.
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She's a little pitbull mix.
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She may have something else in her.
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She's very skinny for a pitbull.
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But she now sleeps in bed with a little Bichon Yorkie mix.
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And she's got a neighbor, another lab mix, who's one of her best friends and they play all day.
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So it's just a wonderful example of, you know, pitbulls can make wonderful dogs.
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You just need to give them the love and attention that they really need.
SPEAKER_28
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and Fergus is one of those wonderful dogs that we hope to get adopted this month and I want to thank you once again for being with us this month and certainly thank you for being with us on Whiskers and Tails for this August edition.
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We hope to see you back here next month.
SPEAKER_09
00:29:36
Properly inflating my tires, burns less fuel, and saves me money on gas.
00:29:41
Yeah, I'm saving Mother Nature from pollution, but more importantly, she saved me 11 bucks!
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Ow!
00:29:48
Environmental events!
00:29:49
Get green!
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
00:29:51
By keeping my car regularly tuned, I save money on gas and repairs.
00:29:55
That also means cleaner air.
SPEAKER_09
00:29:57
You know, feels good to help save the cash planet.
00:30:02
Environmental events!
00:30:03
Get free!
SPEAKER_33
00:30:04
For more tips, go to getgreen.com.
00:30:30
He was born in the wilderness of the English colony of Virginia, and 33 years later the words he wrote would shape a new republic.
00:30:52
But had he never written a single remembered word,
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It would still be said of him that he shaped the spaces and dimensions and the taste of the American nation.
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The cultivation of the instinct of beauty, he observed, is a primary practical concern especially under a government that makes no plans for an aristocracy.
00:31:45
On a day in 1760, young Thomas Jefferson rides into Williamsburg, Virginia.
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Back home at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mountains, he had already begun his study of Greek and Latin.
00:32:06
Now he will enter the College of William and Mary to gain what he called a more universal acquaintance.
00:32:20
Though he is critical of the government of the architecture in Williamsburg,
00:32:24
He will return here many times over the next 20 years to study and practice law and eventually to take up residence with his family as the second governor of Virginia I was bred to the law he once reflected and that gave me a view of the dark side of humanity
00:32:59
Then I read poetry to qualify it with a gaze upon its bright side.
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The books he was purchasing in these years embraced the whole spectrum of 18th century knowledge.
00:33:16
None were more treasured than his books on architecture and one man made a profound impression.
00:33:29
Andrea Palladio had measured the ruins of ancient Rome and recreated her buildings with his pen.
00:33:43
From the books of Robert Morris and James Gibbs, Jefferson learns construction as well as design.
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Then at the age of 24, he begins to envision and plan his mountaintop house in the Blue Ridge.
00:34:04
Self-taught, he does the Palladian calculations and drawings for what would be an art gallery, a library, and a house.
00:34:13
The first Monticello.
00:34:23
A visitor from France said, Mr. Jefferson is the first American who has consulted the fine arts to know how he should shelter himself from the weather.
00:34:35
In collecting what will become the finest library in America, his eye discovers another art form, never before seen here in the wilderness.
00:34:45
The sculpture of the ancient world.
00:34:53
From his art books, he draws up a list of his favorites The statues for which he has designed the place at Monticello Though chosen from a picture in a book, she proves that Jefferson, even as a young man, had come to appreciate the best The Medici Venus was the first on his list
00:35:31
In the year 1784, Jefferson observes life through the eyes of a widower.
00:35:37
Yet he is on a journey that may help lessen the pain of his loss, crossing the Atlantic as an American diplomat to discover Paris.
00:35:59
They hold me at length on the vaunted scene of Europe, he wrote It is not necessary for your information that I should enter into details concerning it But you are perhaps curious to know how the new scene has struck a savage of the mountains of America
00:36:28
were I to proceed to tell you how much I enjoy their architecture, sculpture, painting, music I should want words it is in these arts they shine
00:36:58
The hospitality of Paris is beyond anything I have conceived to be practicable in a large city, he writes.
00:37:09
His close friendship with Lafayette's aunt, Madame de Fassé, brings him many times to her house for long talks on politics, architecture, gardening, art.
00:37:21
And in his own townhouse, the Hôtel de L'Angeac,
00:37:28
Jefferson entertains the leading figures of the city of Paris.
00:37:33
From here, he can look out over the Champs-Élysées and decide which part of the city he will explore next.
00:37:49
About a mile away, he pauses often to watch the construction of a building that will become one of his favorites.
00:37:57
I was violently smitten by the Hôtel des Sommes, he later wrote.
00:38:01
Sitting on the parapet each day, twisting my head around to see the object of my admiration, I generally left with a stiff neck.
00:38:19
There was a pure pleasure in watching the construction of the Hôtel des Sommes,
00:38:25
But something else was happening on his long walks through the city Jefferson was storing up a reservoir of images that would echo in his memory for years Early in 1786, some friends take Jefferson to a studio at the College of Four Nations to observe a sculptor
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In sculpting the most famous men of Europe, this man had become one himself, Jean-Antoine Houdon.
00:39:05
He is the world's foremost artist, Jefferson wrote to George Washington, destined to consecrate to immortality famous men in every walk of life.
00:39:28
After negotiations with Jefferson, Houdon travels to Mount Vernon to sculpt President Washington, establishing for the first time in America the use of public money for art.
00:39:45
Mr. Jefferson would also sit for Houdon.
00:39:49
Before leaving Paris, he would see himself on display at the Paris Exhibition of 1789, in a building that he much admired.
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the Louvre a treasure house Jefferson was here for three of the great Paris exhibitions the unerring eye which had discovered Houdon now leads him to another artist daringly inventive for his time
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in any pencil but that of David.
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The best thing here is his Death of Socrates.
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That is a superb one it is.
00:40:52
In the same modern vein as a painting by a younger man, Jouer.
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All Paris is running to see it, said Jefferson.
00:41:02
It fixed me like a statue for a quarter of an hour.
00:41:12
In another part of the Louvre was a painting of a structure that had already touched Jefferson's life in a significant way Early in his stay in Paris, the request had arrived at the Hôtel de Lanjoc A new capital building in Richmond was in need of an able architect Jefferson contacted Charles-Louis Clerissot
00:41:39
who had drawn the ruins of Nimes in the south of France.
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With Clarisseau's assistance, Jefferson worked out the modifications that would turn the Roman temple, Maison Carré, into a modern public building.
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It would be the first American building designed to accommodate the three branches of a democratic government.
00:42:07
Their plaster of Paris model was shipped across the Atlantic along with Jefferson's plans to guide the builders on the banks of the James River in Virginia.
00:42:26
Jefferson's inspiration was to give the fledgling state government the symbolic structure, thus launching the classic revival in the United States.
00:42:41
I have met a young man of increasing reputation, wrote Jefferson in his fourth year in Paris, who proposes to employ himself solely in painting the events of the American War.
00:42:53
John Trumbull of Connecticut, invited by Jefferson to pursue his work at the Hotel de Mont-Jacques, they become friends.
00:43:03
The central figure in Trumbull's most famous painting is Jefferson at 33.
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His Declaration of Independence is being presented by the Committee of Five to the Congress assembled in Philadelphia.
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In Paris, Jefferson would sit with Trumbull for hours describing his room, even sketching the floor plan.
00:43:30
He described the appearance and location of the members, remembering clearly the men with whom he had shared this moment.
00:43:41
Now, a decade later, the aging Franklin had retired.
00:43:46
Jefferson, the new minister, is urgently invited by John Adams to come to London for negotiations with the British.
00:44:05
Jefferson has never gotten on with the English too well.
00:44:09
Their architecture is in the most wretched style I ever saw, he says, not meaning to accept America where it is bad, or even Virginia where it is worse.
00:44:31
But the gardens of England are another matter.
00:44:39
The gardening in this country, he says, is the article in which it surpasses all the earth.
00:44:48
Jefferson has read for years about these romantic places where all nature seems to have been turned into a garden.
00:45:06
But it is in the parks of Paris where Jefferson's life will be for a short time transformed.
00:45:16
He has met a young woman.
00:45:18
His capitulation is complete.
00:45:25
His love letters to her are unlike any other words he has ever written.
00:45:31
Our friendship is precious, he writes.
00:45:33
Not only in the shade, but in the sunshine of life.
00:45:37
And on the days we have lately passed, the sun is indeed shone brightly on the presence of my charming companion.
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She is Maria Cosway.
00:45:51
At 27, she has a musical voice, an air of intelligence and sophistication, and a husband.
00:46:00
They had met here, the Al Oblai,
00:46:04
What Trumbull had introduced them, Jefferson had pronounced the design of the dome as the most superb thing on earth.
00:46:19
How beautiful was every object in the right of her later.
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The gardens of Mali, the chateau, the statues, the hills along the Seine, and recollect to Bagatelle, the pavilion of Lucian.
00:46:34
The Desière de Re How well I remember them all How imprudent it is to place my affections without reserve On an object I must so soon lose But every moment has been filled with something agreeable
00:47:00
and the wheels of time have moved on with the rapidity of which those of our carriage gave but a faint idea.
00:47:08
What a mass of happiness have we traveled over.
00:47:30
I feel more fit for death than for life.
00:47:35
But when I look back on the pleasures of which this is the consequence, I am conscious they were worth the price I am paying.
00:48:01
Jefferson's trip to the south of France just a few months later may have been an attempt to put Maria Cosway out of his mind.
00:48:11
But it was also a business trip.
00:48:14
He would see if it might be possible to transplant grapevines, olives, rice, and other useful plants to America.
00:48:29
From the ancient city of Nimes, he writes to Madame de Tessay, From morn to night I have been nourished with the remains of Roman grandeur.
00:48:45
For I to attempt to give you the news, I shall tell you stories one thousand years old.
00:48:57
Now it appears before his eyes for the first time.
00:49:08
His replica of this building that was put up in the time of the Caesars is now coming into being again in the wilderness of Virginia four thousand miles away.
00:49:27
In September 1789, Jefferson embarks for America, where he will continue to serve the New Republic for two decades.
00:49:42
On arrival, he learns that the nation's new capital is to be carved out of the Maryland and Virginia forests on the banks of the Potomac River.
00:50:02
He immediately sends to the designer of Washington maps of European cities he has collected on his trip.
00:50:19
A stream of suggestions and ideas for the new city flows from Jefferson's pen.
00:50:27
Recalling Paris, he suggests that rows of poplar trees be planted along Pennsylvania Avenue.
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enhancing the grand boulevard that will link the executive and legislative branches of the new government.
00:50:44
He suggests that lots in the city be a minimum of 50 feet wide.
00:50:49
He sketches several ideas of his own for the town, favoring a block plan running east and west at the confluence of the Potomac and Anacostia Rivers.
00:51:05
When Major Pierre L'Enfant lays his own wide radial streets over the blocks, there emerges the most famous city plan in America.
00:51:23
Jefferson now proposes a design competition for the President's House, submitting his own Palladian entry anonymously.
00:51:41
Though he endorses the winning design by James Hoban, when he takes up residence in this building a decade later as president, he immediately calls on architect Benjamin Latrobe to help him add terraces and a portico.
00:51:57
Again, Jefferson finds many ways to improve the space in which he lives.
00:52:05
Designing, encouraging, collaborating, inspiring.
00:52:09
Thomas Jefferson had become over the years the most influential figure in American architecture.
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The supreme statement of his genius stands on the top of a hill near Charlottesville.
00:52:57
In 1796, the original Monticello was torn down to make room for his new design.
00:53:06
From his pen came a complex monumental house and many of the objects in it all finely attuned to the needs and the taste of the architect's most discriminating client.
00:53:25
I don't know what to say.
SPEAKER_33
00:54:05
At the age of 74, Mr. Jefferson will build, in the shadow of Monticello, his most enduring monument, celebrating his belief in the power of education and of the rights of man.
00:54:26
Instead of one great building containing everything and everybody, Jefferson explained to Latrobe, we propose to build an academical village
00:54:39
Perhaps there was a memory of Morley, when he went to his drawing board to lay out the grand design of the University of Virginia.
00:55:02
This institution of my native state will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind, he said.
00:55:09
Here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate error so long as freedom is left to combat it.
00:55:37
It was only fitting that the building which dominated the entire design was a library.
00:55:55
The University of Virginia was his final creation, his final vision realized.
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You see, I am an enthusiast on the subject of the arts, but it is an enthusiasm of which I am not ashamed, as its object is to improve the taste of my countrymen, to increase their reputation, to reconcile to them the respect of the world, and to procure them its praise.
00:57:20
John F. Kennedy
SPEAKER_05
00:58:08
I don't know how many of you know the history of Arbor Day, but I draw some inspiration from it.
00:58:13
It was created by a group of pioneers who moved out west and didn't like the barren landscape that they found.
00:58:20
And in response, they basically challenged each other to plant trees and completely changed that landscape to a beautiful wooded landscape.
00:58:28
I'm inspired by that.
00:58:30
I hope that spirit will carry through in our organization and help lend itself toward the creation and maintenance of additional parks and street areas in the city and the surrounding area.
SPEAKER_06
00:59:22
The City Parks and Recreation Department needs to spend about 30 million dollars in the coming years to repair, renovate and upgrade its offerings to the public.
00:59:38
We have gotten together and formed this Friends of Charlottesville Area Parks and Recreation to be a vehicle in providing funding to parks and recreation projects as well as to create new and improved facilities.
00:59:51
and more opportunities for children in the area.
SPEAKER_28
01:00:02
Citizens Group is coming together to help save Charlottesville's parks.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:00:06
The Parks and Recreation Department needs additional funding that there just aren't tax dollars for.
01:00:11
A non-profit organization can accept public donations.
SPEAKER_32
01:00:14
Among their goals, making playgrounds handicapped accessible and removing graffiti from park benches.
SPEAKER_06
01:00:23
We are in the process in helping to achieve those goals and to serve as founding members of the board of directors of that organization or otherwise to become actively involved in the organization to help it really get its feet off the ground and accomplishing the purposes that we envision.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:01:27
Welcome everyone and call tonight's city council meeting to order and first is the Pledge of Allegiance.
01:01:58
Are there announcements of community interest or of items to be considered at the end of the regular agenda?
01:02:13
I'll start, then I'll make a few.
01:02:15
First, I'd like to just take a second to kind of
01:02:25
We can have to go.
01:02:26
The city lost an important public figure, a formerly important public figure, George Tremonton, a former superintendent of our schools who led the schools in a tough time when we were trying to desegregate.
01:02:40
And he also was very involved after he moved back here with the library board.
01:02:45
So the city will certainly miss Mr. Tremonton.
01:02:49
Secondly, I'll call to
01:02:52
Everyone's attention, people here and people at home, that the city is accepting applications for our second annual Neighborhood Leadership Institute and we're accepting these until September 26.
01:03:05
The purpose of the institute is to increase effective citizen participation by providing a combination of speakers and workshops.
01:03:12
There's 12 sessions on a variety of topics.
01:03:15
Last year's class we had 30 participants.
01:03:18
and I think everyone thought it was a great course.
01:03:21
Amy Kilroy from Neighborhood Development Service had a lot to do with its success.
01:03:24
I think everyone who participated got a lot out of it.
01:03:26
I think some of the counselors attended some of the sessions and it's really a positive way of getting people involved in the city and so we'd love to have people sign up for it.
01:03:38
And I'd also like to mention something I'd like to bring up on the other business.
01:03:42
This last week in the newspapers there were stories on how the mayors of a couple cities, San Francisco and Salt Lake City, have banned the city use of plastic water bottles.
01:03:53
And I'd like to see us talk about that as a sustainability issue, the use of plastic bottles, it takes a lot of energy to make the plastic bottles, a lot of fossil fuels, and it also takes some
01:04:04
Just something really quick.
01:04:14
I don't think that we should
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:04:30
I'm not necessarily ready to discuss this, but I thought the public would be interested in a follow-up.
01:04:34
We had a discussion at our last council meeting about predatory lending and the impact on low-income homeowners, and staff has gotten to us a model ordinance from another city, I believe it's Norfolk, and so we're going to be looking at that and talking with people like Habitat and
01:04:55
Pupa Housing Alliance about coming up with ways to protect our own citizens from these predatory interest rates that are putting them in jeopardy.
01:05:07
So, thank you.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
01:05:09
Okay, any other announcements?
01:05:11
I'd just like at the end of the meeting to spend two or three minutes discussing a letter that we received from the Rutherford Institute regarding surveillance cameras.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:05:20
Anything else?
01:05:22
Connected on the agenda is awards and recognitions.
01:05:24
And first, what I'd like to do is to recognize Heather Kellams, who's been running our summer youth internship program.
01:05:32
And Heather, why don't you come tell us all about it?
SPEAKER_08
01:05:42
Well, about five weeks ago I stood before you with about 24 interns and was sort of hopeful toward being able to stand before you tonight with some successful outcomes and I'm very pleased and thrilled that I do have some successful outcomes to share with you, two of whom stand right before me.
01:06:00
I'll be preparing a full report for the council and the city manager's office so
01:06:05
My comments will be brief tonight but I'd like to let you know that for six weeks we have served 32 at-risk city youth in the program and these youth have worked about 18 and a half hours every week and they've also attended a weekly workplace readiness group.
01:06:23
They've met with their job coach every single week.
01:06:26
They've met with their supervisor.
01:06:28
We have been fortunate enough to find about 28 excellent service opportunities and internship opportunities in the city.
01:06:35
nonprofits, city departments, schools that have just been excellent in taking these young people under their wing and really teaching them and helping them grow.
01:06:45
And out of the 32 youth that we placed in the program, 29 of them actually successfully reached the finish line as of last Friday, August 3rd.
01:06:57
One of those 32 actually had to leave the program earlier due to a family issue, not anything due to his performance.
01:07:06
So we feel like that percentage is really high.
01:07:10
Many of the interns learned a lot of valuable workplace readiness skills and lessons and I'm really excited to be able to share with you the report that will include everything from
01:07:21
site supervisor testimonies to evaluation to more demographic logistics and also just a lot of the lessons that the interns learn through being exposed, some of whom, this is their very, very, very first workplace experience.
01:07:38
So thank you very much again to City Council, to City Manager for this opportunity.
01:07:43
It's been a joy and a pleasure for me to have coordinated this program because there's been a lot of just really interesting, very valuable lessons learned.
01:07:51
And I feel like everyone should be very proud of the City of Charlottesville site supervisors and adults because
01:07:58
I can go on and on and on about stories of really going above and beyond to nurture and mentor some really positive youth and some youth that had had a lot of challenges.
01:08:08
But I think what's most important is to hear briefly from our two speakers tonight and what I'd like to say is I'd first like to introduce Asha Howard and Asha is a 10th grader at CHS and Asha was probably one of our best interns placed at Camp Excel at Johnston Elementary.
01:08:26
and she single-handedly ran the preschool program along with the staff.
01:08:30
Asha is almost 16 and they're interested in hiring her next year and I chose Asha to come present today briefly because I think Asha represents to me that an internship, as we heard from the comments of the celebration by Ms. Flora Kelly, sometimes internships can really actually create a pathway for an actual job and Asha is very excited and obviously
01:08:53
She was just floored to work with the little kids at Johnson.
01:08:56
So I'm going to pass it to Asha.
SPEAKER_07
01:09:00
Good evening, everyone.
01:09:01
My name is Asha Howard.
01:09:03
I'm here to tell you about my experience at the summer internship.
01:09:14
This internship has taught me how to work in a real working environment, how to work with kids, and also how to push myself to go to work every day and work hard.
01:09:27
What I really liked about my internship was getting to know the kids, getting to know the staff, working in the real working environment, the job itself, and yeah.
01:09:46
I contributed a lot of things.
01:09:48
Some of the most important things was assisting the teacher, helping with lunches, cleaning up after the children, and giving them more attention.
01:09:58
And I want to thank you all for giving me the opportunity to have a really good working experience and putting me in for internship.
01:10:06
Thank you.
01:10:10
Miss O'Connell, I would like to present to you a summer internship t-shirt.
01:10:26
Nice shirt.
SPEAKER_08
01:10:32
Secondly, Patra Okela, intern all summer at Cedars Nursing Home and Patra actually just heard that she's going to be the recipient of the Virginia State Volunteer of the Year Award through Beverly Healthcare Enterprises.
01:10:49
And she gets to travel to the homestead to receive her award.
01:10:54
I asked if there was some in there for me, but I don't know.
01:10:57
So, Petra will have a lovely celebration.
01:11:00
Petra, actually, Cedars Nursing Home couldn't have done this summer without her.
01:11:06
She ran bingo, she did manicures, she visited many, many elderly.
01:11:10
and she's definitely been successful and I have to brag on her just a little bit to let you know that the internship ended Friday and Petra is still looking on the bus and going to Cedars three days a week on her own time until school starts on the 22nd.
01:11:24
So, Miss Petra.
SPEAKER_00
01:11:29
First of all, I would like to thank you all for this opportunity.
01:11:32
It's been fun.
01:11:34
Trust me, it's been fun.
01:11:35
Well, feeders, nursing homes, I love working with the elderly, so I enjoy it every day.
01:11:41
So it's just great working with them, knowing their names.
01:11:44
Sometimes I forget and they kind of get annoyed with it when I call them the wrong names.
01:11:50
It's kind of fun, you know.
01:11:52
It's really great.
01:11:53
I've interacted with the staff members because I kind of thought, you know, okay, it's weird because I'm the youngest there, so how are they going to take me?
01:12:00
So it's been fun, you know.
01:12:02
They come for help, they ask for help, you know, and I help them.
01:12:05
And so it's fun.
01:12:07
Right now I'm just learning how to interact with, you know, in these situations and how, you know, if I get into a situation that I can't handle,
01:12:16
How am I going to do it?
01:12:17
So like when we came to classes every Thursdays, we kind of like learned everything, you know, about how you can handle this and handle that.
01:12:24
So out of this I've taken a lot and I've applied it in my lives and I talk to a lot of people about it and I'm really encouraging most of my friends to kind of like volunteer or just, you know, try and give it a shot because it's really fun and I just want to thank you Heather for this opportunity and I love you guys and thank you so much.
SPEAKER_08
01:12:47
On behalf of the other 29, 30 kids, we thank you very much for these valuable opportunities and we appreciate your time tonight.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:12:55
Thank you.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:13:01
I think it's very fitting after having these two very poised and I'm sure who are going to be very successful young women come up here and share their stories.
01:13:09
that I now issue a proclamation from the city of Charlottesville resolving that August 26, 2007 will be Women's Equality Day.
01:13:20
And in remembrance of all those women and men who work to develop a more equitable community, which acknowledges both the real similarities and important differences between women and men with liberty and justice for all.
01:13:30
And so I'd like to present this proclamation to someone.
SPEAKER_14
01:13:46
And thank you all for recognizing how valuable women are.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:13:55
Next on the agenda is matters by the public.
01:13:58
And as most of you probably know, we allow public comment of up to three minutes on any topic you'd like so long as we don't have a public hearing scheduled or we have not had a public hearing.
01:14:10
And the first person signed up is Lilia Brown.
01:14:25
Jefferson School.
01:14:27
I don't recall, have you had public meetings on Jefferson School?
SPEAKER_04
01:14:32
I was called and told I couldn't speak.
01:14:34
If I can't, I will sit down.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:14:36
Well, why don't you speak quickly?
SPEAKER_04
01:14:38
It will be quick.
01:14:42
My name is Lilia Edlo Brown.
01:14:44
I reside at 316 8th Street Northwest.
01:14:48
I look forward to this day.
01:14:51
Jefferson High School is the last vestige for African Americans.
01:14:55
I remember Benica Hill, which no longer exists.
01:15:00
This was a thriving community of black businesses.
01:15:04
Recently I had an opportunity to visit Jefferson.
01:15:07
I walked through the halls, which I once did as a student.
01:15:12
I saw the stage in the auditorium where I played the clarinet.
01:15:16
I was a student, graduate of the last class of 1951, chair of the Jefferson Task Force,
01:15:25
I attended the historical designation when it was awarded.
01:15:29
And now, finally, in my latter years, hopefully I am going to see a new era in my lifetime.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:15:38
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02
01:15:50
Good evening Mr. Mayor and Members of the Council.
01:15:53
I wanted to spend just a few minutes with you here this evening to talk about the 2008 TJPC legislative program and process for putting that together.
01:16:02
You may recall last year we tinkered with the process a bit.
01:16:05
We're going to stay with the same process as last year, focusing on prioritizing our positions as a region.
01:16:11
and developing a smaller wish list of what we would like to see happen and to get that wish list to our legislators farther in advance of the legislative session begins in January.
01:16:22
So here in August I'm going around and visiting with council and boards of supervisors to get input into the next program, hopefully to have a draft to you of the program by the middle of September and then would like to come back to you in October to seek your approval of the program.
01:16:38
I think already this year that we're off to a good running start.
01:16:41
The mayor and chairs group, which has been meeting quarterly over the past year, has recommended the Comprehensive Services Act as the top priority for the legislative program for this coming year and for the next General Assembly session.
01:16:55
And Mr. Mayor, I certainly appreciate your active involvement in that group along with Mr. O'Connell.
01:17:00
and also as I've been working on this CSA issue the past several months, I want to thank Buzz Cox and his staff for the assistance that they've provided to me in that endeavor.
01:17:11
As I said, this will be the top priority in the next legislative program.
01:17:16
About 10 days ago, the group met with a couple of the area's legislators to talk about the continuing concerns that the localities in the region have with this program and the challenges that it poses.
01:17:27
I think we had a good discussion and coming away from that meeting,
01:17:32
We are charged, I am charged with developing some specific proposals, legislative and budget wise, to take back to them, really following some of the general recommendations that we made at the meeting that day.
01:17:43
Beyond CSA, I would anticipate that public education funding would be a top priority.
01:17:48
The Board of Education
01:17:49
has learned within the past couple of weeks that the preliminary price tag for updating the state's cost for public education in the next two years is going to be about $1.1 billion.
01:18:00
And as you know, as state costs for public education increase, so do your costs here at the local level.
01:18:07
In addition to these priority items, I will continue to include in the program a section of ongoing concerns and this is where
01:18:15
We generally find the specific requests from the different localities placed in the program and certainly we'll be working with your attorney's office on your legislative platform that they typically bring to you in conjunction with the regional process.
01:18:31
Again, I hope to get the draft program to you within about a month and then come back before you in October.
01:18:37
If you have any specific input as to the priorities or any specific items that you'd like to request,
01:18:43
If you could get those to me in the next several weeks so that they can be incorporated into the program, we'd appreciate it.
01:18:50
Thanks for your time.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:18:51
Thank you.
01:18:53
Next is John Games.
SPEAKER_15
01:19:08
My name is, well first, good evening Councillors, Mr. Mayor, my name, and staff, my name is John Gaines, I reside at 214 9th Street, northwest in the city of Charlottesville.
01:19:26
Several months ago, I presented you a petition that was signed by some of the residents that live in the 10th and Page area.
01:19:38
We were asking you to eliminate parking spaces in the 800 block of West Main Street.
01:19:47
This request was not made to upset the merchants in that area.
01:19:55
The request was made for a safety reason.
01:20:00
At that meeting, one counselor agreed that motorists have a visibility problem
01:20:07
at this particular intersection.
01:20:11
Our request was given to the traffic engineer.
01:20:15
The traffic engineer is saying these parking spaces will not be eliminated, but the police department will be asked to closely monitor violators.
01:20:29
This solution does not solve the visibility problem that motorists have
01:20:37
when they enter Main Street from 8th Street Northwest.
01:20:42
Why not place a traffic light at this intersection?
01:20:48
And lastly, why are concerns that come to you from residents that live in predominantly African American neighborhoods given so little attention?
01:21:07
At least that is the perception that's held by so many people that I've spoken to.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:21:18
Thank you.
01:21:20
Thank you.
01:21:20
Jerry Daley.
SPEAKER_32
01:21:30
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Councilors, staff.
01:21:32
My name is Jerry Daley.
01:21:34
I live in at 1309 Carter Lane in Charlottesville.
01:21:37
and I'd like to address an issue regarding the Meadow Creek Parkway.
01:21:41
There have been newspaper reports of contention between the city and county about who builds what when and this is a concern to me about delays.
01:21:51
It's an important project and it's especially important at the McIntire 250 interchange.
01:21:57
I travel that area regularly.
01:21:59
There's a safety issue there.
01:22:01
Traffic for coming down westbound often backs up.
01:22:06
All the left turn traffic backs up out into the travel lanes.
01:22:11
This noon, due to an incident, there was even a backup as far as the Park Street Bridge.
01:22:16
I might even farther because I entered there.
01:22:19
In any case, this is a very dangerous situation and the interchange design offers a solution.
01:22:27
So I would say don't hold the interchange hostage to what appears to be playing games with the county.
01:22:33
I'm not sure who's responsible for
01:22:35
Whatever games are being played, but I would say you have funds for the interchange you have a design every month of delay increases the cost and So regarding the interchange to use a popular expression I'd say get her done Thank you Anyone else you'd like to come offer comments?
SPEAKER_23
01:23:04
My name is Lewis Schultz and I live at 1809 East Market Street and I'd actually like to respond to the gentleman that thinks that the city council doesn't pay attention to African American neighborhoods.
01:23:14
I think the city council doesn't pay too much attention to citizens in general.
01:23:18
I've come here tonight to restate my intention to petition the court to remove the current city council from office.
01:23:23
Anyone who'd like more information is welcome to contact me at recallcouncil at gmail.com, that's one word, r-e-c-a-l-l-c-o-u-n-c-i-l, at gmail.com, or take a look at my blog, recallcouncil, again, a single word, no space, at blogspot.com.
01:23:38
It isn't easy to quickly answer questions about why one could go to the trouble of gathering signatures on a petition to recall Charlottesville City Council.
01:23:45
Actually, I don't want to do this at all, but I don't see an alternative at this point.
01:23:48
The story of all that has happened is far too complicated to go into detail about tonight, but quite simply put, the city has taken a piece of private property in violation of the law and council refuses to acknowledge the matter.
01:24:00
Steep Hill Street in the Woollen Mills neighborhood is a private road that has always been private property.
01:24:05
According to a memo written by Charlottesville's own city attorney, a street like Steep Hill Street is, quote, a private way and there are no public rights interests or obligations therein, end quote.
01:24:15
Yet, the city has seized and now claims ownership of a portion of the street.
01:24:20
If the city were interested in taking Steep Hill Street for public uses, it could have followed the procedures dictated by the Code of Virginia.
01:24:27
The city made its first encroachment upon the property in question in 2000 and expanded its claims in 2003, 2004 and 2006.
01:24:35
To date, none of the procedures required before government seizure of private property, as allowed in the Code of Virginia, have been followed or even acknowledged.
01:24:43
Seizures of private property without following the procedures required by the code are violations of my rights guaranteed by both the Virginia and U.S. Constitutions.
01:24:52
I've repeatedly brought this matter before council and asked to have the matter addressed.
01:24:56
I've made serious accusations of violations of my constitutional rights by the city.
01:25:00
I've provided documentary evidence in support of my position.
01:25:03
Other than a brief note from Councilor Lynch in April, which stated that the mayor had directed the city attorney not to spend any time on the issue.
01:25:12
and a very brief comment from Councillor Lynch at the last city council meeting have so far received no response from council or anyone else representing the city.
01:25:20
According to the charter of the city of Charlottesville, city council has both the authority and responsibility to address the issues I've raised.
01:25:26
Additionally, councilors have sworn an oath to uphold the constitution.
01:25:29
Finally, council's own vision 2025 statement has as one of its nine themes a call for smart, quote, citizen-focused government
01:25:38
and a directive to provide, quote, world-class customer service in all city departments.
01:25:44
Council has failed in all three of those.
01:25:46
It's sad that it's come to this, but as a citizen, I see no alternative but to petition the court as allowed by law for removal of counsel from office for incompetence and neglect of duty.
01:25:56
Again, I welcome comments.
01:25:57
Office of Health for questions can be reached at RECALL.
01:26:01
C-O-U-N-C-I-L, one single word, at blogger.com, oh, sorry, at gmail.com, or recall counsel, again, single word, dot blogspot.com.
01:26:12
Thank you very much for hearing from you.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:26:24
Mr. Mason?
SPEAKER_12
01:26:28
My name is Raymond Mason.
01:26:29
I live at 937 Charlton Avenue and I have a problem with the incident concerning the Charlottesville Police Department.
01:26:36
On Saturday, July the 14th, I called to file a missing persons report for a person I hadn't seen for over 50 hours and the police officer told me that after asking me a few questions, was the person of age with their sound mind, which had nothing to do with it, it was my wife, I hadn't seen her in over 50 hours and I wanted to file a missing person report and also
01:26:58
Quentin, I believe it was his name, Officer 46, at 1701 Saturday, told me that it wasn't that they couldn't file a missing report, but he would not file one.
01:27:07
And to me, I just spoke to the lady at 9-1-1, she said 24 hours is all you need to file if someone's missing for 24 hours.
01:27:13
And this was her place of residence, so it should have been filed, but it wasn't.
01:27:17
Later on that night, I was arrested at 939 Charlton Avenue, which is next door, another piece of property owned by my wife.
01:27:23
I was arrested.
01:27:24
When the police came in, I was unconscious.
01:27:27
on the floor unconscious and they hogtied me, arrested me, hogtied me and took me to jail.
01:27:32
I stayed in jail for all of 10 minutes when they realized that something was wrong.
01:27:36
The officer on the scene, I believe it was Officer Sanders, asked my mother did I have seizures or had I been drinking or was I using drugs or anything like that.
01:27:43
He said when he came in my eyes were in the back of my head and I was clearly unconscious.
01:27:47
Well, instead of calling 911 and getting a rescue squad for me, you know, because I'm clearly out of it, they just took me to jail.
01:27:55
The jail saw what was going on and they immediately called the rescue squad and I spent the night in jail, I mean in the hospital, and when I woke up there were no policemen, no deputies or anything.
01:28:05
and I just don't don't quite understand how if someone is unconscious I just don't think it's proper to take them to jail when I mean clearly unconscious and I need somebody to investigate this you know Mr. Norris you said you were going to try to get an outside panel to monitor the police department we spoke before you got elected I don't know if you recall but
01:28:25
Now would be a good time and that would be a very good issue because it's clear that something is going on with the minority people in Charlottesville.
01:28:32
The police department, they don't seem to recognize minorities for anything.
01:28:36
I mean, I've been told I don't have to use a single right.
01:28:38
I've been almost hit by police with numerous things, but something has to be done.
01:28:42
And I'll be available tomorrow all day if anyone would like to speak to me about it at 434-295-4944.
01:28:49
but I wish somebody would talk to me about it because it's a serious issue and I'm not the only person I mean I could have died in their hands with the poor you know the way they handle the situation and you know I don't think that would have been good for the city for you know someone to die in the hands of being arrested I mean you don't arrest a person that's unconscious that's not that's not very good
01:29:06
That's all I have to say.
01:29:06
As far as what Mr. Gaines was saying, as far as being concerned about, you know, concerns of black citizens not being addressed, I've been trying to get a crosswalk at Ross Avenue and Preston Avenue, so kids that's coming from that area, Great Avenue area, can cross the park because that is the entrance.
01:29:19
As a matter of fact, it's probably the oldest and the main entrance to Washington Park.
01:29:23
No crosswalk, but at the bottom of the park.
01:29:25
And where Legal Aid is, beautiful crosswalks.
01:29:27
But the kids have to dodge cars just to go play before they play.
01:29:31
I mean, that's ridiculous.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:29:32
Thank you.
01:29:32
Thank you.
01:29:33
Anyone else like to...
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
01:29:35
We've been hearing a lot about young people that are causing problems and committing crimes in our community and I think it's wonderful to see a group of young people 30 strong
01:30:00
who have been spending their summer doing something positive and we don't hear enough about the kids that are doing positive things in our community.
01:30:07
I just want to publicly thank them and thank Heather Kellams and her staff for making that possible.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:30:17
Other comments?
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
01:30:19
I'll just respond to Mr. Gaines and I think there is an Asia up there with visibility.
01:30:29
from time to time that you come up 8th Street and try to get out onto West Main.
01:30:36
It is a little difficult at times the way people park and you really can't see very well and I would hope that maybe we could take a second to look at this.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:30:50
Yes, I'd like to say I would like to see that traffic report that is saying that there's not a problem at 8th Street Northwest onto Main Street because I find that a very difficult intersection to negotiate myself.
01:31:11
I also would like to respond to Mr. Schultz.
01:31:20
What I would like to say, Mr. Schultz, is I feel that you're perfectly within your rights to have a blog, to start a recall campaign.
01:31:30
That is absolutely fine.
01:31:32
But I think it is very unfair to say that no one has tried to help you in the last four years.
01:31:38
Repeatedly, over the years, people have tried to help you and have tried to assist you.
01:31:43
and the situation that you're in right now is a result of your own abusive and unreasonable behavior with city staff.
01:31:52
And, you know, that's really all that I can say about that.
01:31:56
There have been, there are different ways of interpreting the situation with Steve Hill.
01:32:01
Staff felt that they were responding to what you were asking them to do.
01:32:04
When they did it, they discovered that you didn't want them to do it.
01:32:08
People, it's a very complicated situation.
01:32:10
I'm sorry that you're unhappy, but
01:32:13
Mr. Gaines, you can see that there are people all over the city who are very upset with city council.
01:32:18
It's not just African American citizens in African American neighborhoods.
01:32:23
As for Mr. Mason, I did have a conversation with him after the incident happened and I'm going to be trying to follow up to find out exactly what's going on.
01:32:32
So, thank you.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
01:32:35
One other thing, I'd just like to ask the city manager if he would follow up with the chief of police on Mr. Mason's complaint, if possible.
01:32:45
He called me the other night and talked for a long time.
01:32:49
In fact, my answering machine locked up.
01:32:53
And I did try to get back with you.
01:32:55
But anyway.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:33:00
Any other comments?
01:33:05
Before moving to the consent agenda, I'm going to make a comment, make one change to the agenda tonight, which is we're not, we advertise that we're going to be considering a resolution to authorize drought warning stage restrictions, and I think that that's kind of driven by some percentages of
01:33:27
of where the reservoir is and water use.
01:33:29
And I think whatever the model is, it's not needed to be done at this time, but it will come back to us.
Gary O'Connell
City Manager
01:33:35
If it stays dry, it'll come back to you.
01:33:38
If we have enough rain, hopefully we'll be delayed.
01:33:41
But we encourage people to conserve their water.
01:33:44
There's simple things that you can do.
01:33:47
Probably the biggest one is not use water outdoors, either washing cars or
01:33:52
Water in your lungs.
01:33:54
Those are the largest users of water at this time of year.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:33:59
Okay, so next on the agenda is the consent agenda.
01:34:01
The consent agenda tonight consists of item A, which is the approval of the minutes of the June 15th, 18th, and July 2nd, 9th, 12th, and 16th meetings.
01:34:12
Item B, a report which is the Human Services Strategic Prioritization Report.
01:34:18
Item C, an appropriation of $250,000, which is funding from Albemarle County for transit service.
01:34:24
Item D, an appropriation of $439,000 which is a transfer from the Housing Initiatives Fund to Piedmont Housing Alliance and Habitat for Humanity.
01:34:33
Item E, an appropriation of $30,326, a restorative justice grant through OAR.
01:34:41
Item F, an appropriation of $182,500 which is a drug court grant.
01:34:47
Item G, an appropriation of $160,721, which is the Fire Department Fitness Program grant.
01:34:54
Item H, an appropriation of $82,522, which is a sponsorship agreement for Friendship Court, i.e.
01:35:03
the funding for expanded lease coverage.
01:35:05
Item I is an ordinance, which is the lease of Towel Park property for Lewis and Clark Exploratory Center.
01:35:11
Item J, an ordinance which is closing a portion of Valley Road.
01:35:14
and Item K, which is changing the name of the Charlottesville Industrial Authority to the Charlottesville Economic Development Authority.
01:35:21
Are there any items to be removed from the consent agenda or is there any amendments to the minutes?
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:35:30
Is there a motion?
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
01:35:34
Second.
01:35:36
Before voting on it though, I would like to say I want to
01:35:39
I want to express my appreciation for the work that went into the Human Services Strategic Prioritization Report.
01:35:45
I think in some ways it's almost a disservice to just pass it on the consent agenda.
01:35:50
But I think we have a couple of things coming up on a regular agenda, both the Community Development Block Grant priorities and the Council Vision Statement where some of the recommendations from the Human Services Report are relevant and we might want to discuss it.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:36:10
Any other comments?
01:36:12
I'll offer a comment just to call to everyone's attention that the increase in funding this year from Albemarle County for transit is a quarter million dollars more than last year and I think that's a good omen for working together to try to create a regional transit authority, expand transit in the region.
01:36:29
I think it's a show of good faith for the county to go ahead and get started and try to expand the bus service.
01:36:35
Any other discussion?
01:36:38
Now I'll call to the vote.
01:36:42
Okay.
01:36:43
Next item is an ordinance which is a conveyance of Jefferson School.
01:36:48
Mr. Connell, did you want to introduce that for us?
Gary O'Connell
City Manager
01:36:53
We have in front of you a contract for the conveyance of Jefferson.
01:36:58
I think this is an exciting night.
01:37:01
We've been many years at work visualizing what Jefferson could be, and I think we finally have a mechanism in place.
01:37:08
Since the previous council meeting, the Jefferson
01:37:11
Our partnership, which has named itself the Jefferson School Community Partnership, has gone through the creation of a number of legal documents that are bringing the partnership forward.
01:37:23
We've included those into the package, and in a few minutes I'll have Mr. Brown take you through a couple of those documents.
01:37:30
But before we get into the specifics, I wanted to recognize the members of the partnership that are here.
01:37:36
I think several of them are sitting down front.
01:37:40
Mr. Martin Burks has been selected as the president for the partnership and he'd like to make a few comments to the council on this item.
01:37:48
Mr. Burks.
SPEAKER_09
01:37:52
Mr. Mayor, Councillors, I'm Martin Burks.
01:37:56
Yes, I would like to make a few comments.
01:38:00
First of all, I'd like to say that the members of the Jefferson School Restoration Incorporated are outstanding members of the community.
01:38:09
that bring a vast array of talent as well as integrity.
01:38:14
There's an architect, an attorney, a retired senior vice president of a major corporation, and a publisher, just to mention a few of the occupations of the people that are volunteering their time for this very important community project.
01:38:34
For me, it's very significant.
01:38:37
I attended Jefferson Elementary,
01:38:39
My father is a graduate of Jefferson High.
01:38:42
My mother is a long time teacher at Jefferson School.
01:38:46
The family business, my family business that I now manage, has been a neighbor to the Jefferson School for 80 years.
01:38:56
Again, we look, we the Johnson School, Restoration Incorporated, look for the council's full support
01:39:09
and this major project.
Gary O'Connell
City Manager
01:39:25
Thank you.
01:39:26
Since we did a presentation on actual contracting conveyance, I thought I would have Mr. Brown take just a minute to
01:39:32
Talk about the documents that we have received from the partnership and answer any questions that you might have.
SPEAKER_24
01:39:42
Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, as the City Manager mentioned at your last meeting, you moved and seconded an ordinance on first reading, which authorized the execution of an option and purchase agreement for the Jefferson School property.
01:39:58
There have been a couple of changes since the first reading that are reflected in the documents in your notebook tonight.
01:40:06
First and foremost, the name of the purchaser is being changed from Jefferson School Rehabilitation Associates to Jefferson School Community Partnership.
01:40:18
That is a change in name only.
01:40:21
None of the various individuals involved have changed from what the information previously provided to you.
01:40:30
Section 5A of the agreement, and you'll find the updated agreement immediately after the ordinance in your notebook, specifies that any rehabilitation work performed on the property will be done in accordance with the Secretary of Interior's standards for rehabilitation.
01:40:50
If these two changes are acceptable to council, one, the name change, and two,
01:40:55
There are a number of additional documents that have been provided to you with the ordinance and the option and purchase agreement.
01:41:21
Those include both the articles of incorporation and the bylaws for the corporate entity Jefferson School Restoration Inc. Jefferson School Restoration will be the general and managing partner
01:41:35
of the limited partnership that is acquiring the property.
01:41:39
If you look at the very last paragraph of the articles of the corporation, you will see that the 12 initial directors of the corporation are identified, and I think all 12 of those names are familiar to you.
01:41:56
In addition to the articles and corporation and bylaws, there's also a shareholder buy-sell agreement, which places what I think are some significant restrictions on the transfer of the stock of the corporation.
01:42:09
And last, but certainly not least, there's the partnership agreement for the Jefferson School Community Partnership itself.
01:42:17
And those have all been filed with the state corporation commission.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:42:30
Does anyone have any issues with the proposed changes?
01:42:48
Okay.
01:42:51
Comments?
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
01:42:53
I do have a question for Seth, not on these changes, but on the Shareholder by Cell Committee.
01:43:01
and let me just explain for the public that the board that is Jefferson, it was Jefferson School restoration, Jefferson School Community Partnership is actually composed of 10 shareholders.
01:43:20
the community members, the non-council members that are serving as directors.
01:43:28
The city does not have any stock ownership in this endeavor, which is a concern of mine, but I'll get to that later.
01:43:40
The shareholders have a buy-sell agreement by which
01:43:43
They agree that no shareholder will sell their shares without the consent of the other shareholders, the other nine, I suppose.
01:43:55
Now there's concern that I have is that there's a problem with the death of any shareholder.
01:44:00
or the resignation of any shareholder, that those shares would then be sold back to the corporation.
01:44:09
So it actually seems to me that the number of shareholders over time becomes fewer and fewer.
01:44:16
And I guess I'm concerned, I'm hoping that once the Jefferson School is renovated, that this will become at least a 50-year, maybe 100-year renovation.
01:44:30
And one of my concerns about this whole way that this deal is structured is I have tremendous faith in the partners that make up the 12 directors and 10 shareholders starting.
01:44:47
But I hope that this deal lasts for at least 50, maybe 100 years.
01:44:52
Not everybody who's a director now may be around in 100 years.
01:44:57
What happens to the corporation as, how do shareholders get replaced as shareholders leave?
01:45:13
Or are we seeing control over time become in fewer and fewer hands?
01:45:20
And is there somebody from staff that could address that?
SPEAKER_13
01:45:34
Thanks.
01:45:35
My name is Tara Boyd.
01:45:36
I'm at 726 Monticello Avenue.
01:45:38
I'm here actually on Steve Blaine's behalf.
01:45:40
He's been working with the Jefferson School partners and I've assisted him in putting together these agreements.
01:45:49
My understanding of the
01:45:52
One of the formation documents for Jefferson School Restoration Inc. is that new shareholders that would in your situation be admitted to the corporation would have to be approved by a majority of the directors.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
01:46:13
But if the director were simply to pass away or resign, there's no provision for their replacement.
01:46:20
It's just automatically their shares go back to the corporation.
SPEAKER_13
01:46:23
That's correct.
01:46:24
The corporation may issue additional shares for the same size.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
01:46:38
It may or may not.
01:46:39
Let me ask a follow-up question, then, which is,
01:46:43
Although the city is contemplating under this agreement putting a piece of property that's worth, according to our estimates, about $5 million into this deal, and although the city council, there will be two city councilors serving as directors
01:47:05
at least initially, the only individuals that have a vote as the project goes forward on how the project is managed are the initially 10 shareholders.
01:47:20
Under the tax credit guidelines, my understanding is that the city can't have a majority interest in the project.
01:47:30
But it concerns me that the city apparently would have really no interest at all.
01:47:37
I want to be clear as I say this.
01:47:40
Again, I have a lot of faith in the individuals that make the initial shareholders and partners of this.
01:47:49
But I've been on council for seven years now and I've seen a lot, many many deals that have been done.
01:47:55
Only about a half a dozen have
01:47:59
I think resulted in outcome that wasn't anticipated or that the city wasn't happy with and just about all those except that I can think of for one, the reason that that happened is because the control of the project transferred for one reason or another.
01:48:16
from the people that we started dealing with to somebody new.
01:48:20
And that somebody new didn't have the same goals as the original partner that we thought we had.
01:48:29
So I'm a little concerned that the city doesn't have an ongoing way of not so much keeping control over this, but at least having a way to be apprised of what happens
01:48:44
as the composition of the shareholders changes over time because I think we can reasonably assume that the composition of the shareholders will change over time.
01:48:57
Since the shareholders have agreed that they will agree who gets admitted, perhaps some of the shareholders have already discussed this and can come up with an answer to that.
01:49:10
But what I guess I'm looking for assurances is how do we as a city know if we're going to put Jefferson School into the hands of these individuals
01:49:19
What discussions have you had that as you retire or as you go on to different phases of your life, how do you replace yourselves in a way that is true to the mission of what we've started with here?
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:49:39
I'd like to make a comment that kind of partly in response to that, partly is more just a general comment.
01:49:46
When we got into the idea of trying to renovate Jefferson School, it seemed obvious that the best way to do that was to get tax credits because that's a big chunk of money and will allow us to do the kind of job that Jefferson School deserves.
01:50:08
But we were told at the beginning of the process that in order for that to happen, council has to be willing to let go.
01:50:14
that we have to find a group of good community people, get those people on board, and then let go.
01:50:22
And we were told over and over, and that's going to be hard.
01:50:24
Council's not used to letting go.
01:50:26
Council's used to controlling things and having people report to us.
01:50:29
And I think we're at the point where we're being asked to let go.
01:50:32
And I think that the succession issues, which is part of what Kevin's bringing up, is how we appoint this initial wave of good people.
01:50:40
And I think there's some great people on this board, a bunch of them sitting here.
01:50:44
people who really have been looking over everybody's shoulder to make sure it's done right.
01:50:49
But it's not unlike other organizations where the board has an interest, whether it's OAR board or the United Way board.
01:50:58
There's a bunch of organizations in the community
01:51:01
they keep going because they have good people and they recognize the need for some new members of the board and what are the talents we need to find and who would be good and I have a lot of confidences to move forward and I think that to get bogged down into the nitty-gritty of how this is going to happen this is what we were warned we'd have trouble with and so I guess what I would ask if there's other counselors who would like to spend some time talking about
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
01:51:26
I think they've heard loud and clear that we expect that as the membership turns over they'll continue to recruit and select good leaders to move this project forward and I hope the conference will do so.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
01:51:58
I think you make some good points, although the difference between Jefferson Partners and a board like OAR, which is another good community board, is that this board, the members of that board, as individuals, will own, as individuals, a valuable asset.
01:52:20
that is essentially a public asset right now.
01:52:22
So I think we have some fiduciary responsibility to the public that not just these individuals will be the right thing with that asset, but that in perpetuity that there is some
01:52:38
I'm a little concerned that what doesn't seem to be, certainly not in writing, I can see that in the good faith in the individuals here, but again, having done this a few times, when people say, trust me, we'll get this right, I have a little bit of concern about that.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:53:06
I'd like to just make a quick comment.
01:53:09
I really believe that many of the organizations that you're comparing Jefferson Managing Partners to, it's like they're apples to oranges comparisons.
01:53:19
This is, yes, it is a community-wide asset, and we are very concerned about making sure that that asset is developed properly and that it does not fall into bad hands over time.
01:53:36
But the managing partnership that we're talking about right now is a managing partnership that is coming together for the redevelopment of the property.
01:53:46
There will be another group that that will spin off into that will be controlling the cultural center and managing the project into perpetuity.
01:53:58
This group right here is coming together for the purposes of raising money and making this project happen
01:54:06
in line with the vision that the community has set out for us.
01:54:11
And it's a big vision.
01:54:12
And it's going to take a concentrated effort, but we have a short period of time in which to do it.
01:54:20
It's not going to, you know, 50 years, I am certainly not going to be on the, I'm not going to be alive, but I'm certainly, if I am alive, I'm certainly not going to be on the Jefferson Managing Partnership Board.
01:54:35
You know, I think that some of these groups that you are comparing us to, Charlottesville Parking Corporation, for example, I know that that has been mentioned in a couple of your emails, do not in any way have the broad community purpose or the broad community scrutiny that this project is going to have.
01:54:56
There's going to be a lot of eyes on this project, not just Council's eyes.
01:55:00
And so I think that we're back to what David says, that it's hard to let go.
01:55:06
But at some stage, you know, Council does not have the time and staff does not have the time to manage this project to the degree that it properly needs to be managed.
01:55:18
You have to turn it over to some people who can put their full attention on it, or it's never going to go anywhere.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
01:55:25
I'd like to make a motion.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:55:47
I'd like to move the ordinance for conveyance of the Jefferson School property as amended
01:55:55
as Mr. Brown has mentioned in his previous remarks.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
01:55:58
Second.
01:56:00
Second.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:56:01
It's been moved and seconded to further discussion.
01:56:07
Okay, this is on the amendments.
01:56:10
The first vote on the amendments.
01:56:12
Amendments have been moved and seconded.
01:56:13
Any discussion on the amendments?
01:56:15
Hearing none, I'll ask for a vote on the amendments.
01:56:20
Okay.
01:56:20
And now the motion is before us as amended.
01:56:23
Any further discussion on the motion?
01:56:27
Hearing no discussion, I'll call for a vote on the motion.
01:56:47
Anybody else?
01:56:48
I'm glad that one's done.
01:56:51
Thank all of you for coming forward to make this a reality.
01:56:57
Next on the agenda is a public hearing on an ordinance granting underground utility easements to the University of Virginia for the South Lawn Project.
01:57:05
This is the first reading.
01:57:07
Mr. Brown.
SPEAKER_24
01:57:08
Mr. Mayor, members of Council, as part of the South Lawn Project, University
01:57:13
needs easements from the city in order to install and maintain certain utilities.
01:57:19
Those easements are at five different locations under Jefferson Park Avenue and are indicated on the class in the council notebook.
01:57:27
The utilities to be installed include a storm drain and chilled water main, those two are located within the same easement, a hot water main, a communications duct bank, and an electric duct bank.
01:57:42
These proposed easements have been reviewed and approved by the city's Department of Public Works and Neighborhood Development Services, including the city engineer.
01:57:52
I should note that I've been told by the Department of Neighborhood Development Services that the university has been extremely cooperative in working with the city and addressing the city's concerns.
01:58:05
So this is offered tonight on first reading and a public hearings report.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:58:14
And then I'll open the public hearing.
01:58:15
No one signed up ahead of time, but if anyone would like to speak on these easements, they can come forward now.
01:58:22
Seeing no takers, I'll close the public hearing and open it to council discussion for a motion.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
01:58:30
Mr. Mayor, I move the ordinance.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
01:58:33
Second.
01:58:33
OK.
01:58:33
It's the first reading, so this will carry over to the next meeting.
01:58:36
The next item on the agenda is a public hearing on a resolution approving the comprehensive plan.
01:58:42
and Lissy Creasy.
Gary O'Connell
City Manager
01:58:48
She's on her way.
01:58:52
I think we went quicker on the agenda than you thought.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
01:59:05
Lissy, you're up.
SPEAKER_10
01:59:09
I was actually listening and thought there was an item in between me, so I'm sorry about that.
01:59:20
Great timing.
01:59:22
Well, I'm here to speak back about the comprehensive plan.
01:59:27
As you all recall, the 2001 Comprehensive Plan, we determined that we needed to update that as of 2005 and we've been working on the updates ever since.
01:59:41
We updated the neighborhood plans and we went through a neighborhood design day process, if you remember that, in 2005 in October, which was a great success on a Saturday with a lot of different citizens that we had involved in that process.
01:59:54
And then that information was used to build upon the neighborhood plans as well as to feed into the comprehensive plan process.
02:00:04
As soon as the neighborhood planning plans were to a completed portion, we were able to begin moving forward more so with the generalized comprehensive plan, which we've been working on pretty diligently
02:00:19
since 2006 and we have finally brought it before you all for hopeful adoption this evening.
02:00:27
If you had an opportunity to take a look at the different chapters we have a lot of new information that we haven't had in past comprehensive plans.
02:00:36
One being our community characteristics chapter which used to be a demographics chapter but includes numerous other items as well as demographics.
02:00:47
We have a
02:00:49
A very good housing chapter now that has a lot of different information and a lot of different groups assisted us in putting that together.
02:00:57
As well as an environmental chapter that is very, very extensive and we had some assistance from the University of Virginia in putting that together.
02:01:08
So we think the Conference of Plan is in pretty good shape.
02:01:13
And as of the joint public hearing that was held last month, Planning Commission was in agreement.
02:01:19
We received numerous comments at that hearing.
02:01:22
One citizen was concerned about the legality of the Conference of Plan and we've worked with that citizen and provided her information on the Conference of Plan since and were able to answer questions at that hearing.
02:01:36
We also had some concern from folks about the public participation process and so we were able to talk through that process with the citizen and hopefully have that solved.
02:01:54
We also had a concern from a citizen that the draft was very long and a large undertaking
02:02:01
and we agreed but we were hoping to have been able to focus on some elements of the plan and it just happened that once we got into it we found that many different things needed to be revised.
02:02:14
The bulk of the comments came from
02:02:17
and Ms. Keller from North First Street and Ms. Heilman who is with the Southern Environmental Law Center and we spent a lot of time working through their comments and the majority of the additions that we have to the comprehensive planner as a result of their comments.
02:02:34
Now I will let you guys know we had a lot of citizen participation and comments that came throughout the process but this was
02:02:42
The information that came towards the end.
02:02:45
And in your report, there are three pages of editions that we have recommended to add into the text in addition to the draft document that you received.
02:02:56
And one edition to that that you all do not have in your packet is one that came forward.
02:03:02
And this would be to Chapter 5, which is the land use chapter on Page 20.
02:03:07
and it was removal of the first sentence in the middle of the page which read, industrial land within the city limits is very important to our economy.
02:03:16
And that was in response to a concern that we received from the Woollen Mills neighborhood that we're continuing to work through with them and also have let them as well as others know that this is a really fluid document and there are many opportunities to amend it in the future if things do change.
02:03:36
But that was one item that we were able to work with that neighborhood on in order to hopefully move forward with this.
02:03:45
I will note that the city attorney has placed a copy of a resolution in front of you all, so you have that for review.
02:03:53
And if you do determine that you'd like to approve this this evening, that the approval needs to be contingent on whichever of these changes you would like to add to the document.
02:04:04
and I'm available for questions.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:04:08
In addition to the changes that have been suggested by the community, the number of which you're recommending, in the drafts which are up on the website right now, are the ones that we got on July 10th?
SPEAKER_10
02:04:21
Yes, that day we actually took all of them and made sure they were the exact draft that everyone was looking at.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:04:29
I've noticed that they're in, some of them have different formats, some of them still have things, notes that say like insert graph here, insert table here, notes to say don't forget this, it's still very much a draft and if we approve these changes
02:04:53
here.
02:04:54
I guess I'm sort of a technical, but what exactly are we approving?
02:04:58
Because it seems at some point the thing ought to be final, and even at each chapter some of it says draft, some of it says
SPEAKER_10
02:05:07
You're approving the text of the document with the associated graphs and items that are in there.
02:05:22
We have a young lady who has spent a lot of time doing the editing on this and we're going to have a very nice bound copy edited version of it including the pictures and things that illustrate the items that are in there.
02:05:35
and that is continually a work of progress.
02:05:38
We hope to have that done pretty soon after, but the text that you all have received is the text that you're approving and will be what the text is there.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:05:49
I just want to make sure that I understand what you were saying about the Willow Mills neighborhood because I got that email from Laura Covert also.
02:05:58
So you're saying that if we approve tonight's text, they can come back and give an amendment
02:06:05
of the sections that they're worried about, but not to let those small concerns hold up the entire document.
02:06:13
Is that what I'm getting?
SPEAKER_10
02:06:14
Right.
02:06:15
There is an opportunity, of course, to amend this at any point in time.
02:06:19
And we're hoping to, planning to continue to work with them to see if we can come to even ground on their concerns.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:06:29
What's the relationship between the individual neighborhood plans and this document?
SPEAKER_10
02:06:34
Well, the neighborhood plans are an appendix, and so they're not specific to the meat of the comprehensive plan.
02:06:43
A lot of the information that came from the neighborhood plans that ended up being city-wide issues fed into the main issues of the comprehensive plan.
02:06:53
So they're related, but they're two separate entities.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:07:00
Any other questions?
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:07:03
Later on tonight, on the agenda, we are being asked to approve our strategic plan as a city that city council and staff and citizens came up with.
02:07:13
And just as an overarching question, did anybody sit down and compare the comprehensive plan, which is a roadmap for city action in the next
SPEAKER_10
02:07:23
Councilor Norris, I was involved in FOCAL's activities
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:07:54
Many of the things that are in the strategic plan grew out of the comp planning process and there are no conflicts that do support each other.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:08:05
Other questions?
02:08:06
If not, we'll go ahead and have a public hearing and then we'll move on to conflict discussion.
02:08:11
So I will open the public hearing and I notice that Bill Emery signed up.
SPEAKER_25
02:08:20
Mr. Mayor, City Council, my name is Bill Emery, I live in 1604 East Market Street.
02:08:29
I want to thank NDS for all the hard work on this and of course the Planning Commission.
02:08:34
I'm not really privy to what's happened since the public hearing in July 10th.
02:08:37
I'm hearing the first time tonight that a long hard look has been taken to Southern Environmental Law Center's recommendations about the greenways, which are very important, and also
02:08:49
Portions of the comprehensive plan on Chapter 5, the land use plan, where specifically I think maybe you guys got letters from the Willam Mills co-presidents about some areas that didn't reflect what was in the neighborhood plan.
02:09:03
The only thing I wish that we could talk about a little bit, I mean I would ask them not to vote on it tonight, but I guess we're going to vote on it tonight.
02:09:13
How do amendments, using amendments to, what's the procedure?
02:09:17
If you could clarify that I think that everybody would be a lot more at ease.
02:09:21
And if you did feel like
02:09:25
Thank you.
02:09:27
Anyone else like to come comment?
SPEAKER_16
02:09:57
Good evening.
02:09:58
I'm Peter Kleeman.
02:09:59
I live 407 Hedge Street in the city.
02:10:02
Just prior to my coming up here, Councilor Norris mentioned that there is a vision that's being considered, this Council's 2025 vision, and this is a 20-year time horizon plan that's being considered a comprehensive plan.
02:10:18
and at the joint hearing I pointed out, and I would like to encourage, a consideration of how to take actual projects and relate them to both the vision and to the comprehensive plan.
02:10:31
In the last few meetings, there have been a number of considerations of items that were discussed earlier today.
02:10:38
For example, the South Lawn project was brought before the Planning Commission and Council to determine if that is, I'm not sure if it's been brought before Council,
02:10:47
to determine if that is consistent with the comprehensive plan, and at that time it was the old plan since the new plan has not yet been approved.
02:10:55
Or the Meadow Creek Parkway interchange was also a consideration, looking at whether that was consistent with the long-range plan.
02:11:02
And what was a bit disconcerting to me was that
02:11:05
Just like the issue brought up by a previous speaker that there's no clear process by how this gets amended, there's also no clear process by which a major investment project is evaluated as to being consistent or not consistent.
02:11:20
So we have a text that's being considered, and the text stands as a model of some sort for what this community is wanting.
02:11:32
but there's no real link between what that model is and how we take real projects that we spend real money on that are going to impact whether we meet or don't meet our 2025 vision or whatever.
02:11:46
So my feeling is that once this is actually concluded and you have the plan that the next logical major step I think that should be taken and perhaps as an amendment right away is to
02:11:59
is to bolster the strength of this plan and having some clear linkage between projects, the comprehensive plan, and satisfying the community's vision as to how this all fits together.
02:12:12
And I think that's a good dialogue to have with the community and with the staff and council, I believe, and I hope that some joint effort could be started.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:12:23
Thank you.
02:12:24
Thank you.
02:12:24
Anyone else like to offer comments on the comprehensive plan?
02:12:31
Close the public hearing and open it to discussion.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:12:42
I just wanted to ask Ms. Fossey to respond to those two comments.
02:12:53
What is the process for getting amendments made and also, you know, how do projects get related to the comprehensive plan?
02:13:01
I think that those are great questions.
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:13:03
I think they were very good questions and we probably, on our page, to explain or get to this may not have gone in detail.
02:13:11
An amendment is really simple.
02:13:14
It first is considered by Planning Commission.
02:13:16
It can be raised by citizen assets.
02:13:18
We look at something the Council can ask Planning Commission or Planning Commission can ask that something be able to study something.
02:13:25
and by the same process that is approved, it can be amended.
02:13:30
They can review and make a recommendation after holding a public hearing.
02:13:34
This body will hold a public hearing and then can adopt an amendment and that can occur at any time after the adoption date.
02:13:44
One of the chapters that's in the plan and it's one that I think that is unusual, it's not in a lot of comprehensive plans, it's something that I believe in and we put in the 2000 plan
02:13:55
is an implementation section and if you go back to the 2000 plan there was a thing called key action section there with 150 some odd actions that were specific things to do to implement the plan.
02:14:09
We accomplished the vast majority of those during that ensuing time.
02:14:16
Those that hadn't been accomplished were generally things that
02:14:19
ideas changed and we decided to go a different route.
02:14:22
This plan has in Chapter 11 an implementation strategy that also includes, I believe it's 11, includes key actions and it's again another set of those that for transportation, land use, housing, all are implementation items.
02:14:41
That's one of the key things that we made sure was tied to the strategic vision, making sure that the actions that are in the vision are the same actions in different conflict with any that are in the comp plan.
02:14:54
There may be more things in the vision than there are in the comp plan, but generally the comp plan deals with land use type of issues and capital issues and that sort of thing, and the vision is much broader and may include other items, but the two are
02:15:10
We're reviewed, they are linked, and there is that implementation section in the conference of plan to make sure it's not just a document that gets adopted and nothing moves forward out of it.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:15:22
I have a follow-up question.
02:15:24
How long do you think it will take, presuming that we move on this, adopt it with the recommended changes, to actually get a final version of the document that has all the formatting consistent, has all the graphs,
SPEAKER_10
02:15:42
It's about 95% at this point in time.
02:15:44
We were awaiting any changes that might occur tonight to finish up some of the details on that.
02:15:54
Should be pretty close.
02:15:55
Maybe a couple weeks, 34 weeks.
02:15:58
So the bulk of it will be done by then.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:16:04
First of all I want to publicly thank the Planning Commission and all the citizens that were involved in putting this plan together and the staff.
02:16:12
It really is a terrific document and I'm particularly proud of the fact that for the first time ever this comprehensive plan includes a section dedicated to environmental sustainability.
02:16:22
and really challenges, raises a bar for our community to take proactive action on the environment.
02:16:29
And I particularly want to thank Karen Firehawk for really stepping up and her students for making that happen.
02:16:35
Two items specifically related to that chapter.
02:16:40
There was an amendment offered by staff on page six of your memo.
02:16:50
There is an amendment regarding page 50 of the implementation chapter.
02:16:57
First of all, the wording on this is just really askew.
02:17:01
The wording says action, this is new language, action review and implement appropriate a streamlined environmental review process for all new projects and developments to coordinate environmental concerns between and among agencies' recommendations.
02:17:18
This was reflecting a recommendation that came out of the Citizens Committee on Environmental Sustainability.
02:17:29
I appreciate the fact that it was incorporated.
02:17:31
However, I agree with the Southern Environmental Law Center that it doesn't go quite far enough and I'd like to offer for our consideration
02:17:41
A replacement, some replacement wording, basically to say review and implement a streamlined environmental review process for all new projects and developments and improve coordination of environmental monitoring and protection efforts
02:18:10
including the inventorying of natural assets.
02:18:16
And this, I think, fully captures the recommendation of the Citizens Committee on Environmental Sustainability.
02:18:22
It doesn't commit us to creating a new position, per se, although some of us would like to see that, but all we're asking is improving coordination of environmental monitoring and protection efforts, including the inventorying of natural assets, and I wonder if you would comment on that language.
SPEAKER_10
02:18:44
And just a note on those kinds of things, we have someone who's editing for this kind of thing.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:18:53
Secondly, on the environmental chapter, I understand Southern Environmental Law Center and the Willam Mills neighborhood both expressed an interest in the city joining with Albemarle County on a Rivanna River corridor plan to look at land use, redevelopment of land and lots and other issues.
02:19:09
and I understand the staff felt like it wasn't necessary because we're already doing things to improve the corridor there and maybe you could elaborate on that.
SPEAKER_10
02:19:25
That was a response from, we had some assistance from Parks and the Environmental Office on that question, so let me see if I can get to the crux of that.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:19:45
As I recall, the issue on that was that we felt like most of our land along the river we already had a plan for.
02:19:56
But I think that part of what it sounds like, what I think the Center for Environmental Law Center and Dave is getting at is for us to participate in the overall planning would involve more than just our property.
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:20:14
Thank you.
02:20:14
I don't think that's an issue with the council of elections.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:20:16
Okay, thank you.
02:20:30
I was a little bit intrigued by your comment, Ms. Creasy, when you say that you removed a line that said that industrial land is not important to our economy.
02:20:43
I personally think that industrial land is vitally important to our economy.
02:20:47
We have to mitigate its impact on the neighborhood and make sure it's sited appropriately, but
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:20:53
We've got one sentence there, counsel, that's been a concern in the Willamette neighborhood.
02:21:12
I've got it right here.
02:21:13
It was my suggestion to Missy that we just eliminate it.
02:21:15
It starts off on the Willamette and says industrial land and sea land is very important to our economy.
02:21:19
That paragraph goes on to talk about the dilemma of having land, but they felt like that was almost an inflammatory kind of statement.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:21:27
Is that because it's got woolen mills at the front of it?
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:21:30
It's in the woolen mill, it's talking about the woolen mill.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:21:32
Okay, well that helps, because I thought you were making a general blanket statement, and now that I see it, I withdraw my...
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:21:38
Right, you just felt like it would be appropriate to cut it out, but the discussion needs to be handled.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:21:45
Thank you.
02:21:46
That's all.
02:21:46
You know, that's...
02:21:48
I kind of agree with the process that you described for amending the comprehensive plan because I think there can be lots of things where as this plan gets read more thoroughly and we get more comments from people after it's like up on the web and fully implemented and people start thinking about it, there's going to be a lot of areas where councils are going to need to pay some attention.
02:22:11
In an example, I agree with Mr. Norris and I think that having some land
02:22:15
The industrial is very important.
02:22:18
Our businesses need places to have a warehouse and we can't rely on all that need to be outside the city limits.
02:22:25
But at the same time, I think we have to work hard to make sure that doesn't negatively impact the neighborhood.
02:22:31
But those are big discussions.
02:22:32
I think those aren't discussions that easily come tonight in 10 minutes with council.
02:22:37
I think it comes through the Planning Commission and gets lots of citizen input.
02:22:40
And I think that on that issue and probably a whole bunch of other issues, we will be amending this plan as we move along.
02:22:49
And so for that reason, you know, I also, I forwarded the Woolen Mills concerns to the Planning Commission to kind of get their take on, you know, to get their input on those issues.
02:23:01
And their take was that they didn't see a reason for those issues to slow the process, for the fact that those issues that could be considered
02:23:10
So maybe it should be considered and there might be potential future amendments.
02:23:15
So I think the Planning Commission, if I give them a chance to say these concerns now being expressed, slow this process up, or should we go ahead and move ahead.
02:23:23
I think the comments I received were on the, let's go ahead and get this document done.
02:23:29
I'd like to thank the people, two in particular, Jenny Keller and the Southern Environmental Law Center because I feel like they put a lot of time into going through a long complicated document and coming up with some really thoughtful suggestions, many of which we're incorporating.
02:23:47
I think that's an important part of this process and I think they deserve some credit.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:23:55
Let me just ask a quick question.
02:23:58
When did we do this again?
02:23:59
Isn't it pony time?
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:24:05
No, you're supposed to review every five years and determine if you want or need to make an amendment.
02:24:16
It's not a requirement that you re-adopt every five years of an amendment.
02:24:20
So, in theory, July or August of 2012, we would take a look again at this plan.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:24:27
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that we started this current process in 2005.
02:24:33
In the spring of 2005, looking to see if we wanted to make amendments.
02:24:37
So I am therefore anxious for us to conclude this stage and to continue to work with the neighborhoods to get the sections that they're still concerned about amended.
02:24:50
But at two years, I think that
02:24:54
I think we've made a pretty considerable change in the document that you guys inherited in 2005.
02:25:03
I want to congratulate you for all the hard work that you put in.
02:25:08
I'm comfortable with making a motion.
02:25:15
I would like to move the adoption of the 2007 comprehensive plan.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
02:25:22
I'll second that.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:25:23
And we'll just be incorporating the recommended changes from staff and Mr. Norris.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:25:32
As amended with the recommended changes from staff and Mr. Norris.
02:25:39
Thank you.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:25:39
Move in seconds for further discussion?
02:25:46
Okay.
02:25:46
Hearing none, I'll call for the vote.
02:25:49
Thank you, everybody.
Jim Tolbert
Director of Neighborhood Development Services
02:25:52
Please, just real quick.
02:25:55
Thank you all for the kind words for the folks who worked on it, but also as the director and leader of these folks.
02:26:02
I don't know if you all realize this, but many communities pay a substantial amount of money to consulting firms to do this work.
02:26:10
And this is the second time that this staff has really stepped up to the table and missed its leadership to get this one done.
02:26:16
But some folks that never have written a comp plan, including some interns and some young planners
02:26:21
have really put in a lot of time and a lot of effort, a lot of guidance from Craig in the legal office, Preservation of Piedmont, the people you mentioned, Karen Tyrock in particular.
02:26:29
A lot of effort and a lot of work and a lot of value for the community that their efforts put in.
02:26:35
I just wanted to say that publicly to thank them.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:26:39
Thank you, Jim.
02:26:41
Next on the agenda is another public hearing on a resolution for the Community Development Block Grant and housing opportunities may equal the priorities for fiscal year 08-09, Ms. Kilroy.
SPEAKER_14
02:26:54
Good evening.
02:26:56
As you just mentioned, I'm here to talk about setting the priorities for next fiscal year.
02:27:00
To get started, I thought I'd give a brief recap of what the current year's priorities are, since our projects are about two months underway.
02:27:09
This time last year, council decided that workforce development, economic development, homeownership programs, homeowner rehab, and rental rehab were its top priorities for the use of these two pots of federal money.
02:27:22
In addition, council determined that the Charlottesville Housing Authority was designated as the priority neighborhood.
02:27:29
15% of our entitlement was allocated to admin and planning, and another 15%, which is HUD's maximum allowance, was dedicated to social programs.
02:27:39
Two items to note as we move forward with the 0809 planning.
02:27:43
0809 begins another five-year planning document for us, the consolidated plan.
02:27:51
which we will be updating at the beginning of the fall and will bring to council in the spring.
02:27:57
In addition, council has asked that the CDBG task force begin reviewing a new set of applications for the new affordable housing dollars that council has set aside.
02:28:09
So as part of that process being added to the CDBG task force's load, we will be starting our application process for the 0809 CDBG money approximately two months later than we normally would.
02:28:21
in order to get the new KHIP dollars out into the community faster.
02:28:27
That being said, after the public hearing, staff is asking council to make a few decisions about where to go for 0809.
02:28:35
The first being the set of priorities.
02:28:38
The ones I mentioned earlier have been council's priorities for the past two or three years.
02:28:43
In addition, the task force would like to see
02:28:47
Two additional priorities set up, not necessarily to that list, but just for counselors to keep in mind.
02:28:53
The first being one of neighborhood stabilization, coming up with ways for existing residents of our community to stay in our community, including the homes that they currently own, including rehab programs for both owners and renters, assistance for weatherization, drainage issues,
02:29:11
other property maintenance concerns and any programs that we can continue to come up with and fund that provide assistance with property taxes and keeping homes more affordable in our community with a special focus on the elderly.
02:29:27
In addition, the task force will continue to brainstorm ways that it will expand its mailing list and other ways to advertise to reach a broader amount of organizations that are doing work that meets the priorities that council has set
02:29:40
I'm going to ask that you look at the priority neighborhood designation again if you'd like to keep the housing authority or choose another neighborhood.
02:29:49
The percentage for social programs, we'd ask that you keep it at the maximum 15%.
02:29:54
We didn't see it in administration.
02:29:56
We've paid for that out of the social program budget for the past couple of years, and I know you hear me bring it up every year, but we'd like, if there are any other options, for paying at least part of that money to restore some of the money to our social program budget.
02:30:09
and then any other additional guidelines that council would like to see incorporated for the 08-09 planning process.
02:30:17
We have several members of the task force here for questions, if you have any for them.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:30:24
Other questions before the public hearing?
02:30:28
If not, I'll open the public hearing.
02:30:30
I don't think anyone signed up, but if someone would like to come speak about these priorities, we'd love to hear it.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:30:38
Just a point of clarity, there was a proposal made in the NSA adopted by our housing advisory committee that the housing funds under community development block grants and home all be targeted to the housing authority for its redevelopment initiative.
02:31:03
It's become clear that they're not going to be ready yet by the time these dollars are hitting the streets, so that proposal is not on the table for this year.
02:31:13
However, I will be bringing it back next year, but I just wanted to clarify.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:31:23
Other discussion?
02:31:26
Can I go through this list in order or we can make some general comments?
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:31:30
Well, I thought it might be a good time to go to the report that we got from the Commission on Children and Families and look at some of the priorities that they have, many of which are eligible under the CDG and I think a number of them we're already addressing.
02:31:49
But a couple things specifically, they were looking at youth development specifically.
02:32:04
And I think while we've made economic development, it's always been a top priority of workforce development.
02:32:07
And we've got programs that's been pretty successful in the summer internship program.
02:32:09
I'd like to see
02:32:10
I think there's a number of things we can do beyond the internship program.
02:32:21
So, you know, right now we have a textbook, for example, that all economic development
02:32:35
And I look at all the issues that we wrestle with as a city, it seems to me that if we could just focus on increasing our high school graduation rate, that would probably be the single best thing that we could do for the city because it has so many knock-off effects.
02:32:58
and that really isn't, doesn't really fall under, specifically under CBG activities, maybe under, you know, under the social development piece, but certainly a part of that is good youth workbook development.
02:33:16
I think that's a key to that, making that relevant.
02:33:18
The CCF also made recommendations about affordable housing.
02:33:29
I think that's been part of the, I don't think that really changes anything.
02:33:33
I think if we can put those two, which are, they weren't the only recommendations, but those I think spoke to in a lot of suspense and maybe focus our workforce development specifically
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:33:49
I think that's a good idea.
02:33:51
I also wanted to, I think that this would have occurred to me when I was reading the list of things, especially the neighborhood stabilization piece, was one of the things that was mentioned with, in our previous discussion on the comp plan, this notion of making sure that the economic development activities that we had, that we were undertaking
02:34:18
that we were mitigating their impact on the neighborhoods.
02:34:25
So I'm not sure how you would, how you would, you know, word that or, but I think that that's something that I'd be interested in exploring a little bit, a little bit further to see if there's some way that we can talk about that loop between economic development, the neighborhoods and CDBG activities.
02:35:00
I would say that, I mean, I think a lot of these ideas that we've come up with are a bit ad hoc, and I don't know if I'd feel comfortable voting on these as priorities tonight.
02:35:25
I don't know if they're being called upon today.
02:35:27
Yes, I'm sure they're part of approval.
02:35:28
Is it possible to vote to approve the consolidated plan
SPEAKER_14
02:35:30
and then to say that we will come back with some priorities, or do you want us to do the whole thing tonight?
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:35:50
Ideally, if we could do the whole thing tonight, but I think since we're starting the process later now, if we brought it back in September, we'd still be okay.
02:35:55
Okay.
02:35:55
All right.
02:35:56
Well, I'd like Kevin's suggestion of, you know, somehow indicating in the workforce development, you know, obviously when they do the comma with an emphasis on key programs
02:35:59
Young adult programs would be a good way to see a need that wouldn't prohibit other necessary programs.
02:36:13
That would indicate what we're looking for.
02:36:15
I also like the concept of neighborhood stabilization because I think it makes a bigger picture instead of just saying we want to have so much money in the rental but to really look in a bigger way at what we're trying to accomplish in the neighborhood.
02:36:33
Somehow I think it almost fits in with having a priority neighborhood if you think of it comprehensively like that, otherwise it might not be quite what we were able to do.
02:36:47
I like these concepts of neighborhood stabilization and maybe some discussion on whether that changes
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:36:52
with neighborhood, with then home ownership and home owner rehabilitation and rental rehabilitation those three things essentially become sort of parenthetical subsets of neighborhood stabilization like neighborhood stabilization we can either eliminate those three or we can say for example those three
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:37:14
I would be comfortable with that, but that's kind of why I wanted a little bit more time, so that we could just refine a little bit more what we mean by seeing these things.
SPEAKER_14
02:37:36
Well, in the meantime, if there's anything that council feels that could be supplemental for what I gave you in my staff report, please let me know if you're going to take more time and have it provided additional material.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:37:46
The other thing is the question of the weed and seed administration.
02:37:49
We've been asked for this, like, several times, so this is a decision that has a budgetary impact.
02:37:55
And so, you know, we have to make a decision as to whether or not, you know, we're going to absorb that $50,000 into
02:38:01
Why don't we work through the rest of the recommendations to see which ones we can go in and decide.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:38:14
And some of them might have implications for the bigger picture.
02:38:20
So, whether or not to have a priority neighborhood.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:38:27
I mean, how many years have we, has it been two years for the Housing Authority?
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:38:31
I'm fine, I think they can use the additional cord, you know, I don't have a problem with that.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:38:51
Everyone comfortable with good things out there in the housing authority?
02:38:55
Okay.
02:38:56
And then, the administration planning to be at the same level with normal increases of salary and inflation.
02:38:58
Comfortable with that?
02:39:00
If no one has any disagreement there, look at whether the funds will be used to fund the
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:39:17
And I think that if we do, this area, particularly if Kevin is talking about this notion of making an impact in the youth area, $35,000 is a huge chunk of
02:39:32
I believe the split is 85% to infrastructure and 15% to social programs, is that correct?
SPEAKER_14
02:39:39
It's a little less than 85% because the administration comes out.
02:39:42
Right.
02:39:43
But, yes.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:39:44
So, only 15% of the funds anyway go to social programs, so $25,000 is a really big chunk.
SPEAKER_14
02:39:54
It's about a third right now.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:39:55
Yeah, it's a lot.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:39:57
We could stretch that in a lot of different directions.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:40:11
Is there any reason why the social funds under CDBG can't be merged with the Weed and Seed fund which also covers youth programs, a lot of the same initiatives?
SPEAKER_14
02:40:32
That's a great idea.
02:40:34
I have to defer to Missy on that.
02:40:35
I'm not sure if that's ever been considered.
SPEAKER_10
02:40:37
I think the grant sources has different reporting requirements and different requirements for how the money can be spent and how you, so you know, though we're able to collaborate some, there's many regulations we've received with those funds and so we have to keep them separate.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:40:59
My ongoing problem and concern with these federal pots of money that we get is the amount of bureaucracy and the amount of red tape that's attached to them.
02:41:12
And it's a source of continuing frustration.
02:41:15
It's not your fault, but it's a source of continuing frustration that we spend so much time and money on administering these funds rather than using them to improve our community.
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:41:30
In the interest of nailing the priorities down, I'd like to make a suggestion for the neighborhood.
02:41:35
What if we say neighborhood stabilization, including but not limited to, and then list the home ownership, homeowner rehabilitation.
SPEAKER_09
02:41:47
OK.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:42:00
Why do you want to, where do you want to put your idea about the youth?
02:42:20
I thought babies.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
02:42:20
Just to say, workforce development, common with an emphasis on youth and young adults, teens and young adults, teens and young adults.
02:42:28
On neighborhood favor,
02:42:30
Can you say something in there about the importance of code violations?
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:42:43
I think that's important.
02:42:43
Really.
02:42:44
Is that a priority that we want to put these funds into?
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
02:42:48
I'd like to see it, too.
02:42:49
And I think we're doing a good job, but I think it's an issue in a lot of neighborhoods.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:42:54
You mean helping low-income people address code violations that they don't?
02:42:58
Okay, got it.
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:42:59
I think that's accomplished.
02:43:01
I agree, and I think we accomplished that through emphasis on rehab, modernization, property maintenance.
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:43:09
Yeah, but there are, you know, cracks, things that slip through the cracks.
02:43:17
Trees, for example, owls, and berries.
Julian Taliaferro
Member, City Council
02:43:19
I just like to keep it on the front burner because as I ride around different sections of cities and find the time to see things and you kind of wonder and I know everybody seems to be everywhere I'm not being critical but I think y'all really do a great job Mr. Tom, I need that So where are we on funding
Gary O'Connell
City Manager
02:43:45
between this item and the next one coming up you would use up your council reserve for next year but you could do it this is talking about not this fiscal year though right
Dave Norris
Member, City Council
02:44:13
So this could be folded into our budget, not out of our council reserve.
02:44:28
So we have time to work in the budget if we decide tonight to pull it out of CDBG and home.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:44:36
Sure.
02:44:36
Thanks for our consent.
02:44:37
Sure.
02:44:37
It's your job.
02:44:41
Okay, so are we agreed that we would like to have the city administrator come out of the general fund?
02:45:18
So are we happy with the priorities or do we want to bring this back to us another time?
02:45:38
Someone want to make a motion?
02:45:40
Somebody's been paying close attention to everything that's said so far, please.
SPEAKER_14
02:45:46
Or someone who can read my notes.
02:45:52
The first item would be the priorities of neighborhood stabilization and workforce development with the emphasis on teens and young adults.
02:46:11
Is there a third priority?
Kevin Lynch
Member, City Council
02:46:15
My intention in proposing that was that we would keep the list essentially the same, but make two changes.
02:46:31
Workforce development would be emphasis on teen and young adult economic development, and then neighborhood stabilization, including without limit to home ownership, home labor rehabilitation, home labor rehabilitation, and how do you say that?
02:46:40
Code enforcement is code compliance.
SPEAKER_14
02:46:45
The Housing Authority will remain a priority neighborhood for 809.
02:46:51
Administration and planning and social programs will remain at their existing percentages for next year.
02:46:55
And the weed and seed administrator's salary will now become a percentage.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:47:07
Okay.
02:47:07
Is there a motion to that effect?
02:47:08
Second.
02:47:08
Okay.
02:47:09
Move to second.
02:47:09
Any further discussion?
02:47:09
I'll call for the vote.
02:47:13
Thank you very much.
02:47:18
We're going to take a 5 minute break.
02:47:26
It's 9.50 so we're going to come back at 9.55.
02:53:22
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02:53:58
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02:54:30
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02:55:00
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David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:55:40
Okay, we're back in business and the next item on the agenda is a resolution which is a request for $11,000 from ASAP, the Advocate for Sustainable Albemarle Population, for a study to identify the optimal sustainable population size for Albemarle, Charlottesville community.
02:55:59
Jack Marshall is here to briefly
02:56:03
Tell us about this request.
SPEAKER_17
02:56:04
Good evening.
02:56:05
Thank you.
02:56:06
And since you have the memo that was distributed a week ago, I won't go into great detail.
02:56:13
Let me, though, remind you that this request has been endorsed by, among others, the local League of Women Voters, the Sierra Club and the Rivanna Conservation Society.
02:56:25
and last month the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors set aside some qualifications, $25,000 toward this project.
02:56:38
There are some underlying assumptions that I think are important.
02:56:42
First, we believe that Charlottesville and Albemarle County together comprise a single vibrant community and that long-term planning should recognize this fact.
02:56:56
The continued growth in the community, as in any finite area, is simply unsustainable.
02:57:01
The City of Charlottesville has in many ways expressed its genuine concern about achieving community sustainability.
02:57:10
We should identify the point or the range, roughly, of which our population size remains sustainable and effective for future and current residents.
02:57:21
And we can, though it's not going to be easy, get a rough fix on this number.
02:57:28
Armed with this information, transitioning to a stable population can be done by means consistent with our laws and our respect for human rights and individual conscience.
02:57:41
Delaying efforts to stabilize the population will increase the difficulty and cost to future generations of achieving this goal.
02:57:52
We're asking you to extend your vision for planning far beyond the 20 years or so that the comprehensive plan we just discussed considers, to acknowledge the decisions you and the county make this year next have implications for the shape and size of our community, and thus it's very careful for generations to come.
02:58:16
Let me emphasize, though, that the research we're asking you to support only, or that
02:58:22
The money we're asking for only covers the research to examine possible methodological approaches and data sets that are potentially appropriate to calculate an optimal population size and to assess the feasibility of this innovative initiative.
02:58:39
Though we're doing the research because we believe it will have important public policy implications down the road, we're asking for your support now simply to get the research covered.
02:58:52
If we really want to pass on a healthy and sustainable community for future generations, this initiative is pretty important.
02:59:03
If the city's size is held steady for 35 years, Charlottesville has an obvious stake in growth in the larger community of certificates and essential private.
02:59:13
This research is an uncommon blend of common sense and cutting edge.
02:59:19
We hope you'll support the ethic and be part of it.
02:59:23
And Francis Fife, whom you may know, and I will be happy to answer any questions.
David Brown
Mayor, City Council
02:59:31
Well, Mr. Fife, you should come on up here then.
02:59:42
So questions for the ASAP?
Kendra Hamilton
Member, City Council
02:59:45
I just want to be clear on exactly what it is we're funding.
02:59:50
Are we funding a consultant who is going to create a report on the optimal size?
02:59:58
Are we funding some sort of preliminary research leading to the hiring of a consultant?
03:00:03
I'm not really clear on what you said.
SPEAKER_17
03:00:05
The consultant is only one small part of the set.
03:00:09
Most of the work will be done by