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City Council Meeting 5/6/2019
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City Council Meeting
5/6/2019
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Thank you.
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I'm there to help.
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Thank you.
SPEAKER_22
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Do you mind if we swap?
Nikuyah Walker
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You want to stop and say hi?
SPEAKER_10
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Good evening.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
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Good evening, I call this meeting to order.
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Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
SPEAKER_11
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Nikuyah Walker
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Ms. Thomas, roll call please.
Kyna Thomas
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Dr. Bellamy.
SPEAKER_10
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Present.
Kyna Thomas
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Ms. Hill?
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Here.
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Ms. Walker?
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Present.
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Mr. Signer?
SPEAKER_10
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Here.
Kyna Thomas
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Ms. Galvin?
SPEAKER_11
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Here.
Kyna Thomas
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Are there any announcements?
SPEAKER_10
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I have an announcement.
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I'm distracted by Mr. Foley and Ms. Carpenter.
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I have a couple of announcements, Mayor Walker, if that's okay with you.
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One from Mrs. Maxine Holland.
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Proud to announce on the 19th annual June, I'm sorry, good evening everybody, hope everybody's having a great evening.
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19th annual June team celebration is gonna be called The Reverence.
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It is a three day, excuse me, a two day celebration kicking off on Friday, June 14th.
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to honor the local ancestors.
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And then on Saturday, June 15th, there's a party on the lawn.
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Now for those who are not aware, Juneteenth, dating back to 1865, it's a blend of June and 19th, is how you get Juneteenth, is the oldest known celebration of the ending of slavery in the United States.
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It grew out of a desire to remember the struggle that black people waged to free themselves and save the union.
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Now all of this will be taking place at the Jefferson School African American Heritage Center.
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That's at 233.
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Fourth Street Northwest, again on the weekend of June 14th and 15th.
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And then, if you need more information, there's flyers over there, Ms. Cherry, and a couple others have some over there.
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And then also, we really want to get everybody involved.
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Saturday, June 29th, we're going to have a four-miler, which is going to be called Run These Streets.
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It'll be kicking off at 8 a.m. at the Jefferson School African American Heritage Center.
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Now this four-miler is a little different from others.
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We're going to be running through traditional African American staples in the community as well as neighborhoods.
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So we'll be running past the Daughters of Zion Cemetery.
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You'll be going through four of the six public housing sites.
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You'll be going through the first African American school, the Jefferson School, and a litany of other different neighborhoods.
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So please feel free to register.
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You can look online.
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at WeCo2Cville.com backslash Run These Streets.
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You'll see the registration there.
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There's flyers up here for everybody.
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All proceeds will go to the digital skills training class for fellows that WeCo2 puts on.
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And again, we hope you all can come out.
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It's a run slash walk.
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So if you can't run, we are encouraging folks to walk, as Mayor Walker has made sure that I say.
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We have a running group that goes out every Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 6.30 a.m. at the Jefferson School.
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So feel free to join us.
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My man Peter, I thought I saw Peter Krebs in here earlier.
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Peter ran with us this morning.
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He smoked us, but it's all good.
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So there's a run and walk, okay?
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So if you can't run the four miles, you can walk through the neighborhoods with us, but it's just something good for us to all get fit.
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Mayor Walker has her four-miler coming up, so we need the ladies to get out there soon.
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She's going to be coming and walking, running with us soon, right?
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Yes.
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All my colleagues on council are down.
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I got confirmation earlier, Heather can't wait.
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Mike said he's going to put the knee pads on.
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Signer, he's with it.
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Kathy, she's going to walk, bike, triathlon, all of that.
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Mr. Blair's coming.
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Ms. Thomas is coming.
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Maybe.
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All right, well.
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So we hope to see you there.
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For real, let's have some fun.
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June 29th at 8 o'clock at the Jefferson School.
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That's all I have.
SPEAKER_18
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All right, we have an announcement from the voter registrar's office.
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Voters who still need to register to vote or update their information before the June 11th primary have until Monday, May 20th to do so.
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A voter registered at his or her current address does not need to re-register.
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17 year olds who will turn 18 by number 5th may vote in the primary if they meet the May 20th registration deadline.
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Applications must be received in the voters registration registration office or at DMV by 5 p.m. on May 20th or postmarked by May 20th if you have a Virginia driver's license or DMV issued ID.
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Applications can be completed and submitted online at VoteVirginia.gov before midnight on May 20th.
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Paper voter registration applications are available in the voter registration office, city hall lobby, DMV, and all local libraries, or can be printed from vote.virginia.gov.
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Oh, and there's one more.
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Virginia does not have a party registration and a qualified voter may vote in a primary.
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This primary will decide for this year the Democratic primaries nominees for the November election for three seats on city council and one seat in the House of Delegates.
Nikuyah Walker
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So I'll, while Wes has, Councilor Bellamy has his run these streets, the second annual Get Your Healthy On with Mayor Walker information will be coming out in the next two weeks.
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Last year we had over 50 women sign up.
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I partner with the Women's Formaller and we do the training with the training program and this year we will have
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at least one trainer I have confirmed, but two trainers who will do additional trainings during the week, so once I finish working those details out.
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So it will begin the end of May, and the official Women's Formaler Training Program starts on June 15th, and Race Day will be August 31st this year for the Women's Formaler Race, and so look out for that information, and please join us.
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So the 2019 My Helpless Award winners, the 5th annual Alexan My Helpless contest winners have been chosen.
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The contest is a thinking, writing, reading activity for students in K-12 in Charlottesville and surrounding counties.
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Students share their thoughts on the importance of helping others and five things they can, they have or can do to help someone.
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This year winners are Denise Lopez Saucedo, first grader at Greenbrier Elementary School,
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Delilah Becker, 5th grader at the Village School, Isaac Giraud, a 6th grader at Burley Middle School, and Hime Isabel Guierro, a 9th grader at Albemarle High School.
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The winners will be awarded a cash prize at a reception on Thursday, May 9th at 6.30 p.m. at Carver Recreation Center.
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The winners, guests, media, or sponsors are invited, not general public,
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Sponsors, the Shalsa Area Transit, Johnny Bates, Dave Chapman, Sheriff James Brown, JFL Funeral Service, Pace Real Estates Associates, LLC, Lynn Fox, and our partners with NBC 29.
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Any other announcements?
SPEAKER_11
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Proclamations.
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Are we ready for the proclamations?
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OK, sure.
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Okay, so we're now into the proclamations.
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So May is Bike Month, and whereas bicycling is a healthy, clean, efficient, and affordable mode of transportation and recreation used by thousands of citizens and residents of all ages throughout our great commonwealth and city,
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whereas commuting by bicycle helps alleviate traffic congestion and reduce pollution associated with vehicular travel and offers significant mental and physical health benefits to cyclists themselves and whereas our Commonwealth is the host to many cycling events including competitive races, sightseeing tours, charitable fundraisers and recreational rides which in total create a very real economic impact
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and whereas Shonsel has been named a Silver Level Bicycle Friendly Community by the League of American Cyclists and in the effort to improve upon this designation will continue to recognize the importance of cycling in urban and community planning and development and whereas Bike Month allows bicyclists to increase awareness of their mode emphasizing proper safety precautions for bicyclists and motorists while sharing our roadways
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and to promote the benefits of bicycling through organized activities such as Bike to School Day and Bike to Work Day.
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Now therefore be it resolved that the members of City Council hereby recognize the month of May 2019 as National Bike Month, encourage all who support bicycling to participate in the events plan and urge all road users to share the road safely.
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Signed and sealed this sixth day of May 2019.
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This is the mayor.
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Is there someone to receive the proclamation?
SPEAKER_42
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All right.
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Good evening, everyone.
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Another proclamation.
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This is for Mental Health Awareness Month.
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Whereas mental health is essential to everyone's overall health and well-being and whereas mental illnesses are real and prevalent in our nation and half of us will have a mental health diagnosis at some point in our lives,
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and whereas everyone experiences times of difficulty and stress in their lives and should feel comfortable in seeking help and support to manage these times and whereas engaging in preventive early identification and early intervention are as effective at reducing the burden of mental illnesses as they are at reducing the burden
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of other chronic health conditions and whereas there is a strong body of research that identifies behavioral health risks and supports specific tools that people can use to protect their health and well-being and whereas with effective treatment all individuals with mental illnesses even serious mental illnesses can make progress toward recovery and lead full productive lives and whereas jails and prisons have often become the default places of custodial
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care for even non-violent people with serious mental illnesses and whereas each business school, government agency, health care provider, organization, and citizen has a responsibility to promote mental health and well-being for all.
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Now therefore, Nikuyah Walker, mayor of the city of Charlottesville, does hereby proclaim May 2019 as Mental Health Month in the city of Charlottesville.
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and as mayor, she calls upon the citizens, government agencies, private and public institutions, businesses and schools in Charlottesville to recommit our community to increasing awareness and understanding of mental health and the steps our citizens can take to protect their mental health.
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And I thought I would, quick privilege, a personal point, my sister Mira is the deputy commissioner at the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services and Works.
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very hard on this set of issues in Virginia on a daily basis.
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I'm really proud of the work that she's done.
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And some people in the city know her.
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So, Mayor Walker, is anybody here to receive this?
SPEAKER_10
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On behalf of the, okay.
Nikuyah Walker
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and Ms. Myra Anderson, but she is ill and could make it tonight, and so we would have been presenting it to her.
SPEAKER_18
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All right, we also have a proclamation for Kids to Parks Day.
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whereas a May 18th, 2019 is the ninth Kids to Parks Day organized and launched by the National Park Trust held annually on the third Saturday in May and whereas Kids to Park Day empowers kids and encourages families to get outdoors and visit America's parks, public lands, and waters and whereas we should encourage children to lead a more active lifestyle to combat issues of childhood obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and hypercholesterolemia.
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That's a long one for me.
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and whereas Kids to Parks Day will broaden children's appreciation for nature and outdoors and now therefore Mayor Nikuyah Walker does hereby proclaim on May 18, 2019 as Kids to Park Day, signed and sealed on the sixth day of May.
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Is there anyone here to accept?
SPEAKER_11
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All right, let's give them a round of applause.
SPEAKER_10
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All right, and last but not least, the final proclamation of the night.
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We do have someone to get this one, Dr. Andrea Douglas from the Jefferson School.
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If she could come up, please.
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Thank you, Dr. Douglas.
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Y'all, hey, y'all clapping.
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Y'all don't even know what the proclamation is yet.
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Yeah, she's clapping.
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Y'all clapping for Andrea, okay.
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Hey, it's a good crowd, happy crowd tonight.
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So this proclamation is for Queen Charlotte Day.
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Whereas Queen Charlotte was born Sophia Charlotte on May 19th, 1744 in Mecklenburg, Struts, Germany to Duke Charles Louis, Frederick, and Princess Elizabeth Albertine of Saxe-Hollisburg.
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I think she died on November 17, 1818, whereas Queen Charlotte married King George III of the United Kingdom on September 8, 1761, making her Queen of the United Kingdom as well as the Electress of Hanover in the Holy Roman Empire, whereas Queen Charlotte was the mother of 15 children and is the ancestor
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of all the current royal houses of Europe, whereas Queen Charlotte was a patroness of the arts and amateur botanist.
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Botanists and dedicated philanthropists for orphanages and hospitals for expectant mothers.
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Whereas the city of Charlottesville, Virginia was founded in 1762 and named in honor of Queen Charlotte, consort of Great Britain's King George III, now therefore our wonderful mayor,
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Nikuyah Walker and the City Council of the City of Charlottesville, Virginia will recognize May 19th as Queen Charlotte Day, acknowledging her historical connection to the founding of the City of Charlottesville and for her service to humanity.
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This day is a very special one as Queen Charlotte, let me tell you about her pigmentation, is widely known as a black woman.
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And our city named after her means a great deal.
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Mrs. Peck, who isn't here, Mrs. Peck isn't here, she puts on a wonderful rendition every year celebrating Queen Charlotte's Day.
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But we're going to have our local historian, one of them, in which Dr. Douglas accept this proclamation on her behalf.
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So now you all can clap for Dr. Douglas.
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Running like you're ready to run these streets.
Nikuyah Walker
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Alright, next we have the consent agenda.
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Is there anyone here that would like to speak on an item that's on the consent agenda?
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Good evening.
Peter Krebs
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Good evening.
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I'm Peter Krebs, 1022 Tufton Avenue, the Belmont neighborhood.
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I have the honor to be on the CDBG priority neighborhood task force, and I know that CDBG shows up a couple of times on the agenda, sometimes on the main agenda, sometimes the consent agenda.
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But I think my matter is on the consent agenda where you guys are moving around funds just a little bit between
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Belmont-Carlton and Ridge Street and that's the result of some very creative thinking by Tierra and the NDS staff.
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I want to thank her and the rest of the staff for their creativity and their flexibility.
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That needs to happen because the funds are slated to be used for a sidewalk on Franklin Street which is a big, pretty dangerous street and this is a neighborhood with tons of kids and tons of change happening so I think it's good that you guys are paying attention to this important neighborhood and really prioritizing it and I just want to say thank you.
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That's it.
Nikuyah Walker
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Thank you, Peter.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the consent agenda?
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Ms. Thomas, could you read the consent agenda, please?
Kyna Thomas
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Consent Agenda A, Minutes, March 18, 2019, Regular Meeting, April 15, 2019, Regular Meeting.
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B, Appropriation, FM Global, Fire Prevention Grant, $3,268.
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Second of two readings.
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C, appropriation 2019 to 2020 community development block grant funding $395,052.82.
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First of two readings.
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D, Appropriation, 2019 to 2020, Home Investment Partnership Funding, $120,382.75, first of two readings.
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E, Appropriation, Amendment to Community Development Block Grant Account, Reprogramming of Funds for FY 2019 to 2020, $1,900.82, first of two readings.
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F, Appropriation,
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Local Emergency Management Performance Grant, LEMPG, $7,500, first of two readings, G, appropriation, funding requirements for SAP integration for the faster fleet management software, $48,000, first of two readings, H, ordinance,
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amend Charlottesville City Code section 15-131 for motor vehicle and traffic, second of two readings.
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Aye resolution, alleys and paper streets closing policy, second of two readings.
Nikuyah Walker
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I would like to pull C and D and vote on them.
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Do we have to wait until the end of the agenda or can we vote on them separately after the public hearing?
John Blair
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You can wait and vote separately.
Nikuyah Walker
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Right after we vote.
John Blair
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Right after you vote on the consent agenda right now.
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Is that what your preference is?
SPEAKER_18
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So I make a motion that we adopt the consent agenda without items C and D. Second that.
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All right.
Nikuyah Walker
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Are there any further questions or comments?
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All right.
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Please vote.
SPEAKER_18
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All right.
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And I move that we, sorry, go ahead.
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I'm just going to.
John Blair
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And then yes, if you want to just take them C now,
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Move and second and then have a vote on that.
SPEAKER_18
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Make a motion for item C of 2019-2020 Community Development Block Grant funding for $395,052.82.
Nikuyah Walker
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Second.
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I've had this conversation with some of you, but I'm pulling the items.
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It's the same thinking process that I'm having about the efforts with the ABRT and the revamp, who's sitting on committees deciding where money is going, how do we support nonprofits who may not be able to do paperwork well, but they're actually doing the work.
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Well and why I don't disagree with all the allocations for the funding.
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I do disagree with some of it and particularly looking at the task force and the makeup of the task force.
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The members who were present or not present the day that the allocations were voted on and if you look at
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For me, it's on page 26.
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If you look at the sheet that tallied the votes, along with some of the narratives in
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from the individuals on the committee.
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It's just back for me to the comments that I've been making about the need for us to make sure that accountability measures are in place and that organizations that are doing this work best are being funded and how to make sure we support that.
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So one of the comments here says, one member felt as though OED needed to provide evidence that entrepreneurship is a way out of poverty.
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I don't know why they would have been on the committee if they don't understand.
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They don't understand that.
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So just, those are the type of questions I had as I, I mean the whole, the entire page for me was highlighted and read, but those were some of the concerns that I had.
SPEAKER_10
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Michael St. Nix, and to share your concerns, you're welcome.
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I appreciate you bringing that up for the public to be aware of.
Nikuyah Walker
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Do we have a second?
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There's a second.
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All right, please vote.
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So it carries three to two.
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Alright, next we have the city manager response to the community map.
SPEAKER_18
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The 2019-2020 home investment partnership funding for $120,382.75.
Nikuyah Walker
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And I was making my comments as one so the same comments apply there.
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Please vote.
SPEAKER_18
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These items have certainly been discussed among many council meetings before we got to this point.
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I just want to acknowledge that to the public.
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During different phases of this and these allocations, we certainly had a chance to hear from the public and discuss this at length.
Nikuyah Walker
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And there was a, I think, March 12 planning commission meeting, joint meetings, and I've been clear about my position through all of them.
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All right.
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So now we're at the city manager's response to community matters from the April 15th council meeting.
SPEAKER_26
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Thank you, Mayor Walker.
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Two things for follow up in your consideration this evening.
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One, as you said earlier, Ms. Myra Anderson is not here, but you asked for follow up from my office and we did so on three fronts.
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And without going deeply into Ms. Anderson's complaints, I will say that
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She did come forward to the folks at the Office of Human Rights and they'll give that appropriate follow-up.
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I asked Ms. Dimock to meet with the Executive Director at Region 10 and she did so and I met with the Board Chair.
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We have given the appropriate follow-up on all the fronts and you're probably aware from some media that Ms. Anderson is also pursuing a civil rights complaint federally.
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Secondly, we discussed the matter of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and appropriate access.
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I met with Mr. Vandiver and others at the Independence Resource Center during the intervening period and I'm bringing before you a proposal for a group that we mutually agreed upon to address this issue.
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and those members are 13 in number and they are the following, myself, a member of NDS, a member of Parks and Rec, the ADA coordinator, a representative of VDOT, two representatives of the Dogwood Vietnam Veterans Foundation, Bruce Eads and Rich Severin, two members of the Independence Resource Center, Tom Vandiver and Jim Herndon, one member of the Disabled American Veterans, George Shadman,
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one member of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Julian Taliaferro, and two citizens at large, Jay Levine and Dave Norris.
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So, with council's permission, it's my intent to, with Mr. Vandiver, convene that group and hopefully bring to you at either the second October or first November meeting our joint recommendations.
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Perhaps there'll be some intermediate recommendations sooner, but that was the objective we agreed to at our meeting.
Nikuyah Walker
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All right, thank you.
SPEAKER_26
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All right, now we have... Might I ask you just to confirm that you're okay with the strategy while we're here together?
SPEAKER_11
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Oh, yes, sounds good.
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I'm fine, thank you.
SPEAKER_10
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I had a quick question.
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Mr. Murphy, I know there's not a great deal in which you can share with us in regards to Mr. Anderson, Ms. Myra Anderson's complaint, but is there
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anything in which you can share other than letting the public know that you met and followed up.
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I think in some regards people are looking for what action steps and if there's any that you can share.
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I know it's a personal, there's confidentiality involved, but if there is anything you can share, could you?
SPEAKER_26
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I would prefer to share as little as possible except to say that my role in speaking to the board chair is to convey the seriousness of the discussion that the city council had and that it is in keeping in my mind with discussions that you have been having on an ongoing basis about the evaluation
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of nonprofits and community partners and that there was a discussion during the meeting about the funding for the organization and how it might be in relationship to how they address this important issue.
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I think for my part that's what I'm most comfortable speaking to.
Nikuyah Walker
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Thank you.
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So now we're going to start the community matters.
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The first thing we have is Brad Slocum.
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Good evening.
SPEAKER_40
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Good evening, mayor and councilors.
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My name is Brad Slocum and I live on Harmon Street in the city.
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First off, I'd like to say thank you for bringing climate change more to the forefront in city decisions and planning.
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It's imperative that discussions around topics like zoning and affordable housing factor in issues like more frequent and more intense flooding and heat waves, sustainable construction practices, and energy efficiency.
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Underprivileged and underrepresented members of our community, such as racial minorities, low-income households, and the elderly will bear the brunt of climate change if we don't take action now and soon.
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So precisely for that reason, I encourage you to vote yes on agenda item number seven, a resolution in support of federal legislation for a carbon fee and dividend policy to address climate change.
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Passing this resolution would make Charlottesville the first municipality in Virginia to officially support such a progressive federal climate plan and signal to our representatives
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and Senators in Congress that we expect concrete action from them to address carbon emissions and economic inequality.
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This resolution is modeled on HR 763, also known as the Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act, which was developed over the last 10 years by the Citizens' Climate Lobby.
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CCL is a volunteer organization working on bipartisan solutions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions without further harming the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our society.
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CCL believes local action is critical for doing our part to reduce emissions, but we also need many deep and systemic changes to our economy and society at large.
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The mechanism we support is known as carbon fee and dividend, which I'll just say up front is not the same thing as cap and trade.
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Put simply, carbon fee and dividend means putting a price on carbon at the source like coal mines and natural gas drilling sites and taking that price to give it back to the people.
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More than half of all households and upwards of 60% of individuals in our country stand to come out ahead monetarily from this dividend and that's on top of health and environmental benefits that will come from reducing greenhouse gases and other pollutants.
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There are plenty of other details in CCL's proposed legislation, which I don't have time to cover here, but I'm excited to say that the resolution before you tonight captures the important points effectively.
00:37:38
CCL as an organization is founded on the idea that dealing with climate change means bridging gaps between those who've suffered from or been left out of the fossil fuel economy and those who have the power to change it.
00:37:49
That process has to be community led.
00:37:52
And so although our chapter is only seven months old, we're the 200 members strong and working out to reach more parts of the community all the time.
00:38:02
We thank you for considering this important part of the fight to enact solutions to climate change and greenhouse gas emissions.
00:38:08
And we hope you vote affirmatively in support of this resolution.
00:38:12
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:38:13
Thank you.
00:38:18
Emily Irvine.
Kyna Thomas
00:38:28
Hi, I'm Emily Ervin and I'm going to cede my time this evening to these young people.
Nikuyah Walker
00:38:33
And you can pull that up.
SPEAKER_45
00:38:36
Can you say their names?
00:38:37
Yes, they are Evan and Sebastian Cruz and Nora McElwain and Eleanor Trimble.
SPEAKER_38
00:38:45
Dear City Council, my name is Sebby Cruz.
00:38:50
I think we should use less plastic.
00:38:55
I forgot to say more.
00:38:57
Dear City Council, my name is City Goose.
00:39:12
I am worried about my family.
00:39:15
I think we should use less plastic, use less electricity.
00:39:20
Please help the earth.
SPEAKER_37
00:39:27
Dear City Council, my name is Evan Cruz.
00:39:30
I am third grade at Greenbrier Elementary School.
00:39:32
I care about climate change.
00:39:34
Do we want a sad and miserable life or a happy life?
00:39:37
Come on, people.
00:39:38
I want to see the solar panel source sold at with at least one solar panel on every house.
00:39:46
I think we should check every two years to see how we've done and learn from our mistakes.
00:39:50
I'd also like to thank the Charlottesville Climate Collaborative for everything they do.
SPEAKER_36
00:39:59
Dear City Council members, I'm Nora McElwain.
00:40:02
I'm in third grade at Greenbrier.
00:40:04
I'm worried about our future.
00:40:05
When we're off to college in nine years, is it going to be filled with gas and trash or a nice clean place?
00:40:11
If you care about your children, you should help them have a nice clean place too.
00:40:15
And fossil fuels, yes, we can use them.
00:40:19
but I think not we should totally use solar panels and it will mess up the food chain too.
00:40:26
We eat some of these animals but if they're all gone we won't live either and I think you would like to live.
00:40:33
You should really listen to me even though we're just kids we have a lot of ideas like more bike trails and don't take your car we could have buses daily.
00:40:42
You should check your work because if you're not checking it in two years
00:40:48
It will be the same as right now.
00:40:50
Hope you like my notes.
00:40:51
Sincerely, Norm McElwain Dear City Council, Hello, my name is Eleanor.
SPEAKER_35
00:41:01
I am in third grade.
00:41:03
I care about climate change because it is bad for the earth.
00:41:06
We should stop climate change because we would get harsh storms and it could wreck people's homes.
00:41:12
so they would not have homes.
00:41:14
I live in Charlottesville.
00:41:15
It is a beautiful city.
00:41:16
So please help me protect it.
00:41:18
I hope you set a good goal.
00:41:20
So thank you for your time.
Nikuyah Walker
00:41:28
Thank you.
00:41:33
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:41:33
Ravi Esso.
00:41:33
No, Wes was talking.
00:41:37
OK.
SPEAKER_46
00:41:39
That's a hard act to follow.
00:41:42
That was fantastic.
00:41:44
Advocacy starts young.
00:41:45
So thank council for having me here tonight, Mayor Walker for letting me speak.
00:41:49
On behalf of C3, a climate advocacy group here in town, I got involved with C3 probably about a year or two ago and they've worked diligently to bring the business community together.
00:41:59
With the broader community and myself, I work as the president at United Way.
00:42:03
So bring to nonprofit community together to look at how we thoughtfully bring climate change down at the community level and what are the things we can implement in our own businesses to improve our carbon footprint.
00:42:14
So I'll speak briefly about what United Way has done.
00:42:16
We've actually replaced our HVAC systems, our LED light systems, we've done putting in new windows, so enacting different
00:42:25
putting in new structures in our buildings so we can actually see a better carbon footprint for ourselves and then also working with other nonprofits in the community to also bring this kind of leadership into their businesses and then also looking out to the broader community of businesses to help them prioritize climate change in their business practices and work on what those strategies might look like.
00:42:44
So I'm here tonight to support the staff recommendation of a 45% greenhouse emission reduction by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2050.
00:42:52
I would say that the current goal is a 10% reduction by 2035 which is probably the lowest goal in the state of Virginia.
00:43:00
I feel that Charlottesville is a community that wants to be the best version of itself and to do that climate change needs to be a priority for all of us and we all need to be thinking about how we approach that thoughtfully in our businesses.
00:43:11
and then I'll also speak in terms of low-income members of our community that I've had the honor of serving over the past 10 years of my nonprofit work.
00:43:19
They often, as been mentioned tonight, struggle with the cost of not having homes that are energy efficient and so I've had clients that pay as much as four or five hundred dollars a month in the winter for their
00:43:29
heating bills because they have inefficient systems and they have homes that aren't well insulated and so these are a lot of the populations that United Way also serves with our direct services and they struggle to make ends meet and so again our goal is to bring awareness around this and look to our city council to be a partner with our business and nonprofit communities in setting better action goals and to also think about how we thoughtfully support our low-income neighbors in terms of how they're dealing with these issues and their homes every day so I thank you for having me.
Nikuyah Walker
00:43:58
Thank you.
00:44:01
I'm Jeff Vogel.
SPEAKER_39
00:44:11
Good evening.
00:44:12
I'd like to cede my time to Marissa Turner.
SPEAKER_10
00:44:15
Good evening.
SPEAKER_21
00:44:16
Good evening, everyone.
00:44:18
Good evening.
00:44:19
I'm here representing the People's Coalition.
00:44:21
As you see the flyers, I put some up there.
00:44:26
I am here tonight to express the needs of a strong civilian review board with original jurisdiction to review complaints, support staff and funding, especially push for an auditor and an executive director, and this is an entity issue that the council needs to pay attention to.
00:44:45
We'll hear from the people and give you a sense of how acute and urgent this is.
00:44:51
Police these police, because we need help.
00:44:54
Next.
Nikuyah Walker
00:44:57
All right.
00:45:03
So Marsha Guyer.
SPEAKER_22
00:45:06
You have seen what I've said.
SPEAKER_45
00:45:22
Hi, good evening.
00:45:23
My name is Susan Cruz and I am the Executive Director of the Charlottesville Climate Collaborative.
00:45:28
Thank you for prioritizing climate action as a council.
00:45:31
I'm grateful to your excellent staff who are working hard to develop recommendations and solicit community feedback as part of the climate action planning process.
00:45:40
I urge you to adopt staff's recommended target of 45% emissions reduction by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2050.
00:45:48
With minimal movement at the federal and state levels, the importance of developing successful models for local governmental action is more urgent than ever.
00:45:58
International scientists and policy makers are increasing their calls for drastic steps to decrease emissions.
00:46:05
The next 10 years will determine whether or not we are able to avoid the most serious impacts of climate change.
00:46:12
This community must do all it can to lead the way and build a small city model that can be replicated across the Commonwealth and beyond.
00:46:21
By adopting staff's recommendation, the city of Charlottesville could become the first locality in the state to adopt a goal of carbon neutrality.
00:46:29
The immensity of the problem will require cross sector solutions.
00:46:34
The city staff has offered some initial policy focus areas in their presentation to you this evening.
00:46:39
The Charlottesville Climate Collaborative works with many leaders in these sectors and has witnessed a widespread desire for technical support and community-wide action.
00:46:48
On the commercial side, business leaders are already taking steps to reduce their impacts.
00:46:53
Tonight you heard from Ravi Raspetto from the United Way.
00:46:56
While the city did not specifically ask the United Way to reduce their emissions, they have demonstrated leadership by implementing more than a dozen measures which will ultimately benefit our entire community.
00:47:07
I encourage council to meet with leaders like Ravi to learn from their success and implement tools that will incentivize others to follow her lead.
00:47:16
CPACE, recommended tonight, is one policy tool that should be embraced.
00:47:21
However, we should also explore other administrative or procedural incentives in the commercial sector.
00:47:28
On the residential side,
00:47:30
The Charlottesville Climate Collaborative is working with city staff and community partners to research and develop recommendations for financing energy efficiency and clean energy upgrades to homes at all income levels in the city.
00:47:43
As part of that research, the Charlottesville Climate Collaborative is examining the intersection of energy efficiency and affordable housing.
00:47:49
Rising energy costs due to climate change will place an even greater strain on low-income families whose energy burden
00:47:56
the percentage of their income they pay for energy costs is already a significant factor in housing affordability.
00:48:02
We would love to see the city's climate action plan address these concerns and take action to alleviate that burden.
00:48:09
Finally, I would be remiss if I did not insist that an ambitious target can only be met if we regularly check our progress to ensure that our policies are having the desired impact.
00:48:20
While I did not see a recommendation to measure emissions every two years, I am confident that staff and council agree that regular measurement is an essential part of climate action.
Nikuyah Walker
00:48:36
Thank you.
SPEAKER_22
00:48:43
Hi, my name is Ciara Gladfelter and I'd like to cede my time to the green grannies.
SPEAKER_10
00:48:55
The grannies are back.
00:48:59
It's lit.
00:49:03
It's officially lit.
00:49:05
The grannies are back.
SPEAKER_12
00:49:07
The grannies are back because we're wanting to add some spirit, some excitement, both on everybody's part in our community to be part not only of the local benefits, but the global benefits for the future of a planet.
00:49:27
So here we go.
00:49:28
We want to do it now.
00:49:32
We need to wake up, we need to wise up We need to open our eyes and do it now, now, now We need to build a better future
00:49:53
And we need to start right now.
00:50:02
We've got a planet that has a problem.
00:50:11
We've got to solve it, get involved, and bring it down, down, down.
00:50:18
We need to build a better future.
00:50:19
And we need to start right now.
00:50:20
Make it cleaner.
00:50:21
Make it cleaner.
SPEAKER_22
00:50:22
Take it fast, take it fast and do it now, now, now I'm here to build a better future and we need to start right now.
00:50:40
Don't be evaded, don't be desecrating.
00:50:41
If we just get by, they'll know why, then do it now, now, now We need to build a better future And we need to start right now We need to break up
00:50:58
Alexa, Alexa, Alexa,
SPEAKER_10
00:51:33
So David Redding Background singers, ad libs, this is dope.
00:51:50
Need to record a record man.
00:51:54
Take that show on the road baby.
SPEAKER_29
00:52:01
That's a hard act to follow.
00:52:05
I want to state that the United Nations came out today and said that in effect we may lose a million species if we don't do something about a number of things, a number of problems we have, climate change being one of the major ones.
00:52:28
I want to also talk to you about things that we're doing in town here.
00:52:32
If you look at community bikes, we're giving away 20-25 bikes a week and we're taking donations for, we take donations, put a donation amount on the bikes and people donate
00:52:48
and we give away bikes to kids if they're under 16 years old.
00:52:55
We give them a bike, we give them a helmet, we give them the lights and a lock for on the bike.
00:53:04
So we want to get more and more people on bikes.
00:53:08
It's an important thing.
00:53:10
We need better public transportation.
00:53:12
And I know you guys have a problem because we're not riding these buses and things.
00:53:18
And we have to find ways of getting more and more people on public transportation.
00:53:24
Ecovillage, Charlottesville, which is just a mile and a half from downtown here.
00:53:31
We've just gotten approval for
00:53:35
to build out 37 homes, energy efficient homes on the property and we'll be doing that in the next couple of years.
00:53:43
We're doing co-housing so we have a situation where we're trying to help people get away from living on social media and actually talking to people, talking to other people in the community.
00:53:56
It's going to be a big thing with us to have a real community.
00:54:01
So we're close to a bus stop.
00:54:05
We're about 100 meters from a bus stop that would bring you into town in 20 minutes or take you to the mall in eight minutes.
00:54:12
So it's a great place to stay.
00:54:16
Also, there's bike and ped trails right into town along the John Warner Parkway.
00:54:22
So we need more bike trails.
00:54:24
We need ways of getting other inputs into the Rivanna Trail.
00:54:31
I appreciate all that you've done.
00:54:34
Thank you very much.
Nikuyah Walker
00:54:35
Thank you.
00:54:44
And I'll, there's a great, well I thought it was pretty great, but I started trying to check out a little bit, a couple weeks ago I watched Our Planet series on Netflix.
00:54:55
And, well five of the episodes.
00:55:01
But.
00:55:02
but it's really informative and they do it in a very creative way.
00:55:10
My 16 year old was interested you know also so it's a great way to get maybe you know your youth kids some of the information too so I will recommend that Netflix series.
00:55:26
Rich Alibay
00:55:35
Good evening.
SPEAKER_00
00:55:36
Good evening.
00:55:37
My name is Richard Levy.
00:55:39
I'm a resident of Charlottesville, a business owner and an environmental advocate.
00:55:44
First, I'd like to say that the fact that we're here today discussing greenhouse gas emissions reductions is a testament to the great strides made by Mayor Walker, Councilmember Signer, the city council and the city staff.
00:55:57
You've all demonstrated professionalism, diligence and political leadership in making climate change a priority for Charlottesville.
00:56:03
I'm here today to represent the Charlottesville Renewable Energy Alliance, a group of local businesses who collectively represent over 400 employees, and we have developed more than $6 billion of renewable energy assets.
00:56:18
All of our companies chose to make Charlottesville our home, and we made that choice in part because of this city's commitment to building a brighter future for all of its residents.
00:56:27
My company, Sun Tribe Solar, shares this value as well.
00:56:32
what started as three employees in an old warehouse on Gleason Street today is the largest distributed solar energy company in Virginia because when it comes to building that brighter energy future we believe that a rising tide lifts all boats for us that means focusing on creating good family supporting jobs and those jobs are in the renewable energy field like the ones we've created through the GoSolar program developed in close partnership with the city where we've been able to hire some great employees from underrepresented communities throughout the city
00:57:02
With that said, the real question is why are we here today?
00:57:05
At CIVEL REA, we want to establish Charlottesville as the renewable energy hub of the Southeast.
00:57:10
Voting to establish a strong emissions reduction target next month would be an important signal to other renewable energy employers that they should want to call Charlottesville home as well.
00:57:19
Second, we support our community's transition to sustainable energy practices.
00:57:22
We want to make sure that as we transition to a clean energy future, nobody gets left behind.
00:57:27
It's clear that this council shares those values and we hope that with a supportive vote in June, it continues to display that commitment.
00:57:34
As many in this room know, this past October some of the world's leading scientists from every corner of the globe provided us with a roadmap forward that, if we choose to implement it, will help ensure the health and well-being of not just our earth but the communities throughout it.
00:57:46
A big component of that roadmap is ensuring that our globe doesn't warm more than 1.5 degrees Celsius.
00:57:52
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that a 45% reduction in emissions by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2050 would curb otherwise imminent catastrophic effects of climate change.
00:58:04
We're here today along with a number of advocates and citizens to lend our voice in support of Charlottesville's move towards setting a modern, comprehensive, science-based emissions reduction target that is consistent with the IPCC's recommendation.
00:58:18
We're asking you to vote yes to staff's recommendations at June's City Council meeting.
00:58:22
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:58:23
Thank you.
00:58:27
David Swanson.
SPEAKER_44
00:58:35
David Swanson, Gillespie Avenue.
00:58:38
I have a petition with hundreds of names on it I'd like to present to you asking for divestment from weapons and fossil fuels and I have five copies of a draft resolution that would permit the city as is found in the recommendations section of the city treasurer's report to act immediately on its general fund and to commit to acting in the near future on
00:59:01
The Retirement Fund.
00:59:03
So if appropriate, I'd like to present all of these to you.
00:59:10
U.S. weapons companies arm three-quarters of the world's dictatorships and both sides of numerous wars.
00:59:17
Without the U.S. government's support for fighters in Afghanistan, Syria, and elsewhere, there would be no Al Qaeda or ISIS.
00:59:24
Previous weapons customers turned enemies have included Hussein, Gaddafi, and Assad.
00:59:29
The United States creates its enemies.
00:59:32
But now, over less than my lifetime, the United States has led the world in creating the worst enemy ever seen.
00:59:39
An environment that will attack life on Earth with massive fires and droughts and floods for many centuries to come, even if we cease all planetary destruction this minute.
00:59:50
A principal cause of the weaponized environment is the wars fought primarily for oil with which to further destroy our environment.
00:59:58
Dick Cheney met with ExxonMobil to plan the war on Iraq.
01:00:03
Our city invests our hard-earned money in ExxonMobil.
01:00:07
One of the craziest things is how the environmental collapse is being used as an excuse for yet more wars.
01:00:13
But do you know what anyone who survives, what in best case scenarios is going to be several climate-caused holocausts will find hardest to understand about us, the people who built their hell?
01:00:26
It's our casualness.
01:00:28
It's our calm complacency.
01:00:30
It's our desire to carefully consider whether or not to do our bit to mitigate the destruction.
01:00:36
Even the US Congress is ready to halt the genocide it has been committing against the people of Yemen, but Charlottesville is pleased to go on funding Boeing.
01:00:46
The world's nations are banning nuclear weapons, but Charlottesville is delighted to dump our money into Honeywell, and Boeing for that matter.
01:00:54
Did the city of Charlottesville ask anyone in this room if that's where we wanted our money?
01:01:01
They didn't ask me.
01:01:02
The cost of the extreme weather that's coming including those storm wrecked houses that little girl just told us about will dwarf any possible difference in the income from investing in guns and oil versus investing in something less destructive.
01:01:19
I'd like to ask everyone here to please stand up with me if you want this city to stop using our own money against us and to act now without delay.
01:01:30
Now, now, now.
01:01:34
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
01:01:35
Thank you.
01:01:38
Virginia.
01:01:42
Virginia road map.
SPEAKER_05
01:01:48
Good evening.
01:01:50
I live in Albemarle County.
01:01:52
Thank you for allowing me to speak.
01:01:56
I also support
01:01:59
this petition to have the city divest from weapons manufacturers and fossil fuel producers.
01:02:08
I want to point out that even though I live in the county, I have standing on this issue because my taxes go to the county and $15 million of county money goes to the city through revenue sharing.
01:02:23
So I have standing on what the city does with its money.
01:02:29
I don't know if you know, but gun manufacturers give millions of dollars to the National Rifle Association, the NRA.
01:02:39
It's good for business.
01:02:41
The NRA then gives money to legislators and uses all its power to influence legislators on gun safety issues.
01:02:52
I have seen this action in person.
01:02:55
A year ago, January, I attended a meeting of the Virginia Senate Courts of Justice Committee, which heard 10 to 15 gun safety bills.
01:03:10
And the way it went, the bill would be read and an attractive young woman would come to the microphone and say, the NRA opposes this, and then she would sit down.
01:03:23
There would be very brief discussion and then they voted down, all of them,
01:03:29
Now, some of these were wide-ranging bills, like universal background checks.
01:03:37
One was very small and narrow, and it would have allowed the city of Charlottesville to ban weapons at permitted events, if it chose.
01:03:51
And, Councillor Galvin, you were there, you spoke for the bill.
01:03:57
but despite the fact, I mean it boggles the mind, this was five months after August 2017 that they would not allow Charlottesville permission to protect against an armed invasion such as we had on August 12th.
01:04:19
So I would like the city to take one small step by divesting from gun manufacturers and diminish very slightly what I call this unholy flow of influence and money that keeps us all from getting any reasonable, any tiny
01:04:48
Gun Safety Laws.
01:04:50
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
01:04:58
Thank you.
01:04:58
Tanisha Hudson.
SPEAKER_22
01:05:04
Well, Mike Murphy had me put something in my calendar.
01:05:07
It's not on the agenda tonight.
01:05:09
Remember, he told me he was going to talk about parks today.
01:05:12
But I'll wait.
01:05:13
I'm going to cede my time to Mr.
01:05:18
I was looking for you in the crowd, but give him some time because he just had surgery so he got a walk down here.
01:05:24
He got some things he wanted to talk to y'all about.
01:05:28
Y'all free from me.
SPEAKER_10
01:05:29
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_22
01:05:31
There's a snow outside.
SPEAKER_10
01:05:36
Snow.
01:05:38
Snow in May.
SPEAKER_22
01:05:40
I can talk if you want me to.
01:05:48
I'm ready for Mr. Gaines.
SPEAKER_10
01:05:53
Good evening.
Nikuyah Walker
01:05:55
Good evening, Mr. Gaines.
SPEAKER_32
01:05:57
My name is John Gaines.
01:05:59
I live at 214 9th Street, Northwest in the city.
01:06:08
It was interesting comment the last later made where I won't bother.
01:06:12
Let me move on with this.
01:06:14
I have a petition for traffic lights.
01:06:17
and the residents of the 10th and Page neighborhood, we're asking the city to install traffic lights at the following intersections, 10th and Page Streets, 8th and Main Streets.
01:06:34
Now the 10th and Page one is one that there's a flashing light there presently, but it's my understanding that
01:06:46
Many of the youngsters that live in West Haven in the coming year or the coming years will be going to Venable School rather than being bused to Burnham and Moran.
01:07:00
So it appears that it would be safe for the city to install traffic lights there so that they could cross over safely in their travel to Venable.
SPEAKER_31
01:07:17
Now, 8th and Main Streets.
SPEAKER_32
01:07:20
Main Street is the street that I think is on the agenda tonight to be discussed.
01:07:28
And there are many residents that live in neighborhoods adjacent to Main Street.
01:07:36
And presently, it's hard to get onto Main Street from 8th Street
01:07:44
because traffic travels like they own 64 on Main Street.
01:07:50
And it's really a problem for residents to get on Main Street.
01:08:00
Another street that I didn't ask to be placed on our petition is up at 8th and Preston Avenue.
01:08:13
Now there are a lot of violations that go on in that area.
01:08:18
There are trucks unloading right in the no parking zone and they pull up on the sidewalk and the next thing the city is going to be paying for is repair for sidewalks.
01:08:33
But it appears that truckers can do whatever they want to do in Charlottesville and that's unfortunate.
01:08:41
But I have the petition that I'd like
SPEAKER_10
01:08:55
Just for clarification, 8th and Main is the same spot that we had the discussion about the last meeting.
01:09:07
But nonetheless, there's still traffic.
01:09:09
Now, as we talked about in the last meeting with our traffic engineer, and there's a great deal of discussion in regards to how council has the ability to
01:09:20
to proceed forth, whether that is a light, whether that is the lights for the crosswalk.
01:09:26
And it was stated during the last meeting that we haven't heard a great deal of other community support in regards to it.
01:09:32
We've heard clearly from Mr. Gaines as well as he has a petition.
01:09:36
And I'm wondering, does this constitute enough for us to be able to move forward with getting something additional there at that stop stop?
Nikuyah Walker
01:09:45
So the last time it was brought up, Mr. Murphy was checking into it.
SPEAKER_26
01:09:51
I understood that the action by the council or the will of the council last time is that we revisit this down the road three to six months after we work on enforcement activity in the area from the Charlottesville Police Department.
01:10:10
and getting additional information from the traffic engineer.
01:10:13
Right.
01:10:14
That's what happened at the 415 meeting.
01:10:16
You know, with regard to Mr. Gaines's comments, you know, certainly the traffic engineer can provide guidance to counsel about whether the intersection of 8th and Main meets the warrants for another signal.
01:10:31
I would guess based on the number of signals on that street that that is probably not the case, but we'll provide you the information.
01:10:40
Certainly.
01:10:42
I would just say with regard to Dr. Bellamy's statement, it is true that council has acted in the past to direct staff to put in rapid flash beacons when they were not warranted.
01:10:57
However, I don't know that repeating the practice of overruling the traffic engineer is preferable and I do want you to at least get some legal advice about what the city's liability may be if we take that action as a council action rather than how it is regulated by the staff.
SPEAKER_10
01:11:18
So I appreciate that.
01:11:20
I don't want to belabor the point because I think I made my points very clear last meeting how I feel about it, but I will reiterate this one point.
01:11:28
If council in the past has used our authority to be able to place similar kind of lights on streets and paths in other neighborhoods, I think we definitely need to look at doing so here.
01:11:40
I understand that there are legal ramifications and different things that we need to look at, but we've heard, one second please.
01:11:47
Thank you.
01:11:48
We've heard on several different occasions and I think now hearing it from Mr. Gaines as well as from other community members including Ms. Parker who's been talking about this for years now that this should constitute us taking action and not waiting an additional six months for another study to come back about it.
01:12:07
But obviously we're there because you all know where I stand.
Nikuyah Walker
01:12:10
So could you let us know what have enforcement activity increased on the area since April 15th?
01:12:27
What has happened, like what conversations have you all had internally in terms of this
SPEAKER_26
01:12:34
Chief Brackney and I have talked about referring that to the Traffic Division.
01:12:38
Has it started already Chief?
SPEAKER_15
01:12:49
So there's a couple approaches that you take when you find out there is a problem or there is a problem that's brought to the community.
01:12:57
Either it's an actual or perceived issue around traffic flow, pedestrian
01:13:01
Flows and things like that at mid-block cross blocks or if they don't meet standards that the state would regulate understanding that when we have traffic devices that are put in place like stop signs like lights they are to regulate traffic they're not to be used as speed calming devices if you use them as a speed calming devices when you find yourself in legislative issues or even legal issues and Mr. Blair will be able to speak to that
01:13:26
I just text the sergeant of our traffic saying let's put out the traffic timing or speed timing device that you'll see in other places that will count the number of cars that go through that community the speeds they go through it the dates times locations and then when you couple that with sighting persons who may be
01:13:44
violating the pedestrian crosswalks.
01:13:49
We also probably need to do some educating on both the vehicular and pedestrian traffic about what is appropriate and legal conduct.
01:13:57
There's the assumption that the pedestrian has the right of way.
01:14:00
That is not the case.
01:14:02
The rules say that the pedestrian has the right of way and you must yield once they are in the crosswalk, not because they step out into it automatically.
01:14:11
So there has to be some education component as well as
01:14:14
I want to disagree.
SPEAKER_10
01:14:20
Literally, I wouldn't disagree with anything that you just said, but in my personal opinion, I don't think it has to be an either or.
01:14:32
I think it can be an and.
SPEAKER_15
01:14:33
I can do what is within my realm, and I know the engineer was here last time to speak to their assessment.
01:14:41
So in terms of what we can do to help assist with that or support those, we'll move forward on that.
SPEAKER_10
01:14:47
That's already been done.
01:14:48
I'm speaking more so to counsel.
01:14:49
I am rather frustrated with the fact that we are again thinking that we have to
01:14:56
Take six months or so to be able to further discuss and then have another analysis about the subject when we clearly hear from people that it's needed.
01:15:06
I don't want to compare this to other neighborhoods or the process before.
01:15:10
It's needed now.
01:15:11
It's a minimal amount of money.
01:15:12
We need to do it.
Nikuyah Walker
01:15:14
but that's just my thought.
01:15:17
Well, I just think we're talking about we would still need the engineers to come back and talk about what measure needs to be put in place.
01:15:25
They've asked for two different things.
01:15:27
Yes.
01:15:27
He just asked for a stoplight and then Ms. Parker has been asking for the flashing lights.
01:15:34
But I also think that the plan that we discussed before in terms of if there have been violations,
01:15:44
Well, we are in 8th and Main right now.
01:15:52
That the enforcement piece, which might, that conversation that we're having might change the numbers that we end up with during the monthly report.
01:16:07
from the chief of police about stops, how they're initiated.
01:16:11
I would also like us to think about that piece also.
SPEAKER_11
01:16:19
So Mayor Walker, can I piggyback on that because that was also what I was going to emphasize too is that there's two different solutions now being brought forth, the flashing light and then the stop signal, the signal at 8th and Main.
01:16:34
But there's also then the brought to our attention tonight 10th and Page,
01:16:37
and then 8th and Preston.
01:16:39
So those, if we can roll those into the discussion that we had from the last meeting to get an analysis on those conditions as well.
01:16:49
That's what I would like to see.
SPEAKER_10
01:16:51
I think that method just prolongs the solution.
SPEAKER_11
01:16:54
No, not within the same, I'm asking for within the same time frame.
01:16:58
Look at that all together.
SPEAKER_10
01:16:59
No, I understand that.
01:17:00
I'm just saying we've heard, when we convoluted the two and we say, well, Mr. Gaines asked for a stop light and Ms. Parker was asking for flashing lights.
01:17:08
She's been asking for this literally for multiple years.
01:17:13
We can do that in the immediate.
01:17:15
Even if we were gonna do a stop light, that would take,
01:17:19
So long for us to study, and then we're now talking about adding in Ethan Preston and these others.
01:17:25
The initial one that's been asked about and that we just had a long conversation about was Ethan Maine.
01:17:32
All they're literally asking for are more flashing lights right there so people can cross the street.
01:17:37
We've done it, councils have done it before.
01:17:40
We need to do it now.
01:17:43
It doesn't require more conversation.
SPEAKER_11
01:17:46
So, Councilor Bellamy, though, if I may ask, are you saying that we should ignore what Mr. Gaines brought before us today?
SPEAKER_10
01:17:52
Again, and that convalesces the discussion and that makes it...
01:17:59
Okay, thank you.
01:18:00
Thank you, Ms. Hudson.
01:18:03
I think when we say things like, let's ignore what Mr. Gaines is saying, I'm not saying let's ignore what he's saying, I'm just saying that the immediate need and the request has been made
01:18:14
for a very long time should have some precedent.
01:18:18
And that's something that we can do sooner rather than later.
01:18:21
And we have the authority to be able to do so.
01:18:24
It doesn't require another study.
Nikuyah Walker
01:18:34
So the you have the
SPEAKER_26
01:18:39
Mayor, there are two very different requests, so I just need to hear... action than we discussed last time on rapid flash beacons, or are you asking for the exploration of a traffic signal, because it's pretty different.
SPEAKER_10
01:18:58
I'm asking for a specific request to insert the flashing lights at 8th and Main.
Nikuyah Walker
01:19:08
So if you, the request that came before us just now with the signatures asks for a stoplight.
01:19:18
Are flashing lights and stoplights in the same place?
SPEAKER_28
01:19:23
No, ma'am.
SPEAKER_26
01:19:24
No, if there was a signalized intersection, then you would presumably have a pedestrian crosswalk there
01:19:37
You know, there'd either be a little red or white sign when it was time to cross at the appropriate time.
01:19:47
They would work in conjunction with one another, but the rapid flash beacon would not be at the same place that there was a traffic signal.
SPEAKER_11
01:20:00
I'd just like to stick to the plan that we agreed to last last meeting which was to have the review done within the next was it the next six months but I want to add into that discussion so so I want it but I want to understand where this but I want to understand as well what we need to do at 10th and Page and 8th and Preston
01:20:26
because those have come up for a long time as well, but within that time frame.
Nikuyah Walker
01:20:31
So you can add those two to the enforcement?
SPEAKER_18
01:20:37
I just think it's important for us to acknowledge and like to weigh with the public there's a lot of pedestrian intersections that are not safe pedestrians I think we heard throughout our budget cycle and we weren't able to allocate any money towards the Elliott Avenue any kind of crossings that are there and that's come from a number of neighborhoods and so I just think it's important that we kind of we have there's a lot of intersections that have been raised obviously some in more public forms than others but I just hope that we're able to take a systemic approach and really look at
01:21:07
You know where some of the biggest pain points are and I'm not saying this isn't one of them I'm just saying that we have to recognize that there's many that have come before council in different ways Are there any proposed changes there with the West Main Street streets gate?
SPEAKER_26
01:21:24
I don't know that's something that we could give more immediate feedback on at the May 20th meeting for sure what that street state calls for and I can tell you that while I believe one of the spots Mr. Gaines is talking about with the trucks is on Preston that there is also a great problem with that on Main Street
01:21:45
because of the streetscape and because there are very few loading zones on that and so I would encourage council when you ultimately approve the final streetscape of West Main to make sure that while there's lots of talk and lots of pressure about parking parking all the time that if there's no loading zones on the street that it creates these other problems for people too.
SPEAKER_22
01:22:12
Excuse me.
01:22:13
Is this one of the main problems, or?
01:22:19
Maybe, it's just the guys.
Nikuyah Walker
01:22:25
I want to say it's not a joke.
01:22:30
Okay.
SPEAKER_32
01:22:32
I'm gonna take the breast and the bone bone off the right hand side as you turn it off.
Nikuyah Walker
01:22:48
Next we have Katrina Turner.
SPEAKER_22
01:23:21
Good evening.
Rosia Parker
01:23:32
I'm very disappointed still in 8th Street because the cars still have to go over top of the pedestrian drive, the walkway.
01:23:42
Either you're going to get hit or either you're going to get ran over or you've got to stand still.
01:23:48
Thank you for the little signs that you gave us, but you got it from another neighborhood because it was bent up with stickers on it.
01:23:53
I mean, could we have got a brand new sign?
01:23:57
And you're always looking stupid every time I say something to you.
01:24:00
I don't understand.
01:24:01
I've been coming to you for years, Mike.
01:24:03
You take things personal like the rest of them.
01:24:05
We used to have a good conversation.
01:24:07
But when wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong.
01:24:09
But I shouldn't have to have a sign that I have to look up with stickers on the back with it bent up.
01:24:15
You know, we could have at least got brand new pedestrian signs and a little sign at least with the plastic that you've been saying that we had at the last few meetings ago that we still don't have, that's still dented up.
01:24:28
And also I want to talk to you too about, thank y'all for finally giving a say today after your police chief got caught in her stories.
01:24:40
Thank you.
01:24:41
Mr. Nolan for that report we want transparency and obviously we're not getting transparency we met our quota what we was asked to do so we appreciate if y'all do y'all's part because we do need a CRB because we're tired of going back and forth with the police department we're tired of being as a CRB members we're tired of being
01:25:04
degraded and dehumanized for things that we aren't doing and then when the city are wrong for what they're doing, y'all are not quick to throw out the press release but you're not quick to rescind the press release after Mr. Josh Bowers was degraded, which he should have not been because as the calendar shows, she was available for every meeting that was asked for.
01:25:28
and also I want to go back to another officer of yours that is in I believe your case and another case of another person.
01:25:37
As your police officers know, if we were supposedly the problem for the CRB and for the police, mighty funny, your police officer didn't see me sitting right behind him as he's harassing patrons for sitting in the Waffle House for minding their own business and because they do not want to engage in his conversations
01:25:58
He continued to harass that man, knowing that man had to come back into that Waffle House.
01:26:03
Mr.
01:26:04
Page wrote, yes, I sat right there and I watched him Saturday night, my first time in the Waffle House.
01:26:09
So no, I did not know him, but he also didn't know that I was sitting behind him as well.
01:26:13
And I will be sending a report, Miss Bradley, but I think y'all need to get an order and you're not going to be here, so you don't give a goddamn what happens to us, Mike.
Nikuyah Walker
01:26:29
So I do have a question on why you were thinking Nolan, because Nolan would be, and his reporting would be the issue here.
01:26:40
Excuse me?
SPEAKER_22
01:26:41
So Nolan's- Did it need to come out in the yellow fabric?
Rosia Parker
01:26:49
What?
01:26:49
Check it out.
Nikuyah Walker
01:26:50
So the CRB and the press release?
Rosia Parker
01:26:53
No, the press release was last week that y'all didn't-
01:27:01
The recipe was lying on the police chief and then the response that you gave to him was not very council-like because it wasn't his fault that whatever went in that paper became a he-she say and then it became against the CRB which was did wrong which it should have been apology.
01:27:20
So if I may, I just have a personal opinion.
01:27:25
I understand that, I'm just talking.
SPEAKER_10
01:27:44
So I'm responding to the comments, specifically in regards to Chief Brackney's calendar.
01:27:53
I read the article.
01:27:55
There's personal issues that I have with it.
01:27:58
It's neither here nor there.
01:27:59
But I do think that it's really difficult and challenging for us to expect Chief Brackney.
01:28:06
For one, you all don't see everything that's on the calendar.
01:28:10
And if there's an hour block, is she not allowed time to eat?
01:28:14
Like is she not allowed time to have phone conversations?
01:28:18
So even on my calendar, so I'm talking, that's fine, so like I said, when I'm talking, like you all, I just think that we take these positions, we take these positions with Chief Bragney in which we're like, she can do absolutely no right.
01:28:39
First of all, I'll never punk out.
01:28:44
You, Mr. Fogue, was the last person who could tell me to punk out.
Nikuyah Walker
01:28:48
Okay, so we're giving time for everyone to share their opinion.
SPEAKER_22
01:28:53
Thank you, Mayor Walker.
01:29:09
Harold Foley, People's Coalition.
John Blair
01:29:26
Can you hear me?
01:29:29
Harold Foley, People's Coalition.
01:29:30
I'm going to cede my time to Richard Cooks.
SPEAKER_14
01:29:39
My name is Richard Coons.
01:29:45
As I sit here and listen, and thank you Mr. Gaines, I shared a y'all with Mr. Gaines growing up.
01:29:54
He's like a treasure in Charlottesville, so I'll give him his due.
01:30:00
But the problem, and I want to speak on my criminal history first.
01:30:04
I have an extensive criminal history.
01:30:07
Three convictions over the course of 21 years and I've managed to serve over 17 years in prison for less than a couple hundred dollars worth of cocaine.
01:30:22
I had a substance abuse problem since the age of 19.
01:30:26
I've never been offered a treatment center.
01:30:30
I've never been offered a probation break.
01:30:36
I've been shot in the city of Charlottesville on two separate occasions.
01:30:40
Once in 1996, the result of me being shot, I served 21 months on a probation violation.
01:30:48
I was shot in 2004.
01:30:50
I grew up in an era where they called it a war on drugs.
01:30:57
Today, white kids use drugs and they call it an epidemic.
01:31:05
I grew up in an era when they had things called soda zones, stay out of designated drug areas.
01:31:14
But if you look at that soda zone map in the city of Charlottesville, there's no soda zones that ever crossed Avon Street, Avon Act, not a single one.
01:31:25
While this city criminalized entire neighborhoods, people who looked like me, we had to
01:31:34
have records, decisions that I made at 15 and I'm no angel.
01:31:40
I made a lot of wrong decisions as I began to transform my life and look at things different and hold myself accountable for the decisions which I made.
01:31:50
The importance of having a strong civilian review board is that when someone is sentenced to nine years
01:32:00
For $39 worth of crack cocaine, something is wrong with that situation.
01:32:06
To compound that situation, 46 years of unsupervised good behavior.
01:32:13
That's my story.
01:32:17
I know by coming here today that I kind of probably put a bullseye on my back.
01:32:23
I know that one false move, I could be sentenced to 46 years for jaywalking.
01:32:31
Right?
01:32:33
Then I look around in the audience, I look around at everybody here, I very rarely see people from my neighborhood.
01:32:40
I don't see nobody who look like me or who come from the background that I come from.
01:32:46
And that's because where I grew up at, we grew up in an era where city council don't care.
01:32:53
City council don't change anything.
01:32:57
I would hope today, especially Mayor Walker, with you that you continue to help facilitate change for people like me.
01:33:09
To be able to want to do something different.
01:33:13
I'm putting forth the effort to change my life today.
01:33:18
I wrote a letter to the judge.
01:33:21
You know, I'm paying all kinds of fines.
01:33:23
You know, it's part of my responsibility.
01:33:27
And I asked them, I said, can I serve community service in lieu of paying my court fines?
01:33:36
I never got a response from the judge, but I called the clerk's office.
01:33:40
And they told me, they said, well, we do have a thing where you could do community service in lieu of paying your court fines.
01:33:49
However, you have to be served in the active sentence at the Albemarle Charlottesville Regional Jail.
01:33:58
So as money gets tight for me and I continue to try to do the right thing, I try to be a positive role model for my daughter and the rest of my kids, it's incredibly difficult to do these things and then
01:34:16
As coming up, the police would do anything to us, to me.
01:34:22
Come over here, right, and I'm removed from the streets.
01:34:26
But I know it's still going on, they would.
01:34:28
Right, so I had a run in with the police in Garrett Square, and they told me that you either let me take your picture, it's a Friday night, or you can spend it way till Monday to get out.
01:34:42
That's a fact.
01:34:44
Then I was later given a probation violation for being in the solar zone with no crime committed, sentenced to 10 months.
01:34:55
So the stories, I have about 50, but I know we don't have a lot of time.
01:35:02
And I will hope that we could get this civilian review board so that the next people who make bad decisions at 15 will not have to spend over 17 years in their life inside and outside of prisons before they decide to do the right thing.
01:35:22
Because if I have to hold myself accountable,
01:35:25
Along the lines, the police should be held accountable as well.
01:35:31
I just believe that.
01:35:33
I just believe.
01:35:34
I'm no angel.
01:35:36
I'm no saint.
01:35:37
I did a lot of things that I had no business doing.
01:35:39
I take responsibility for that.
01:35:41
However, for police to make me take my clothes off out in the streets is wrong.
01:35:46
It was wrong then.
01:35:48
It should be wrong now.
01:35:49
But this city,
01:35:52
This city has a reputation of doing that in the communities that I grew up in.
01:35:56
I grew up in the 10th and Page neighborhood, and they could do anything they want.
01:36:02
So this is what I'm hearing that's still going on, and if that's the case, when do we stop?
01:36:07
Thank you for letting me share.
SPEAKER_22
01:36:28
So...
Nikuyah Walker
01:36:33
Just a couple of things that I'm thinking and acknowledging that I gave one extra time, because it's good when we hear from people who are not normally in the room.
01:36:47
And I think it's important for us to get as many people in the room as possible.
01:36:51
In terms of the CRB and the comments that I've been making,
01:36:59
In the past few months, I think it's very important for us to realize that when we are doing this work that we are doing, that we are remembering the individuals who have been and are
01:37:17
and all of those things that are truly affected.
01:37:19
And every conversation that I have with the councilors, city staff, it's about remembering the environment that we've created in Charlottesville and to make sure that we are undoing that.
01:37:38
which I'm sure someone will, I think someone has FOIA'd, to CRB members about the responsibility too for us to make sure that we are removing our egos from the equation at all times and looking at the bigger picture for this.
01:38:00
So what Mr. Koontz was just talking about, my family members were in those same
01:38:08
areas suffering from the same conditions, going to the same prisons as he was.
01:38:15
So I don't take any of this work lightly, but in the same breath, when I am challenging people to remove
01:38:28
their temporary feelings from the equation.
01:38:32
I am faced with the same backlash as if it hasn't been my friends, my family members, my loved ones who have been incarcerated, arrested.
01:38:42
Lives have changed for generations.
01:38:46
So I think we all need to take a look.
01:38:48
I spoke with Mr. Gathers.
01:38:51
We see you, but I'm pointing.
01:38:53
And we talked about just how important that is.
01:38:59
I'll be the first one to tell you the response that I got initially from CRB members.
01:39:04
I didn't meet with them regarding CRB issues after that.
01:39:09
I felt the comments, the conversations that I was hearing, it's for me, let my actions speak for
01:39:16
It was nothing that I felt that I would say that would change at that point the opinion that had been formed about me and my particular interest in this.
01:39:28
So this has been a really rocky process.
01:39:32
There were comments made about the last joint meeting we had, and I sat down there because everything I seem to say, there's some backlash for, so I sat down there at that time and didn't say much.
01:39:43
and I still got backlash and criticism for not saying much that time.
01:39:49
So I think it's just important for us all to realize why we're here, why we are doing this work and how to do it right.
01:40:00
We know that the advisory board that was in place before now, it was not effective and so there wasn't any oversight of the police department.
01:40:12
I talk since mid-2000s about some of the encounters my clients have had, my family members have had publicly with the police department, with Jade Task Force.
01:40:28
I openly call for the task force to be dismantled.
01:40:34
It is important for us.
01:40:35
I have never not had that conversation.
01:40:38
There is no one in the city who can say that I have came
01:40:42
to the conversation with a different perspective.
01:40:46
And I think it's just important for us to understand where we are in this process and what we're bringing to the table.
01:40:57
and to get this done is going to take true collaboration and we are not there.
01:41:05
And I will say it and this might get me in a little bit of trouble, the next council, who could fill these three seats looks very scary for even me and a lot of the work that I'm very passionate about.
01:41:18
And so I haven't had one conversation with one councilor
01:41:25
because this is a topic that if I had a conversation with Counselor Galvin Signer and especially Counselor Hill who wouldn't be affected by choices if the CRB didn't work, their family wouldn't be affected by it.
01:41:41
If I had a conversation where I thought they were not supportive of it, I would have that conversation with them and here with you all.
01:41:50
We haven't had those conversations.
01:41:52
We've all been trying to figure out
01:41:54
you know how to keep things going you know how to also support for me the conversations I've been having the past few weeks a police chief who was the only person who sat in the room and talked about reform at all and what that looks like trying to couple public safety in a community where
01:42:17
the perceived risk of safety versus the morality of it is often the perceived risk is often what's brought to the top of the equation by the wealthier members of the community and yet bring reform measures into it and when we do pass things like we funded
01:42:38
an intern for the prosecutor office.
01:42:41
That means that we're having conversations, Dr. Bellamy too, with Joe Platania about what maybe diversionary versus incarceration looks like.
01:42:56
How to take an office that's very white and diversify it to have a different perspective in there.
01:43:04
We funded and supported collaboration with the university to offer free housing for this person for the summer to get people who wouldn't maybe normally look at Charlottesville into the area for the summer to see if they could then go back and talk to their friends or someone in the
01:43:24
So we have an intern from Howard University who will be spending the summer here.
01:43:30
And I think we need to pay attention to
01:43:36
You know, just to the holistic efforts.
01:43:41
If we don't get the nonprofit community and that community accountable for the work they say they're doing with people who have had generational trauma, because I'm not hearing a lot of voices on understanding the magnitude of that.
01:43:56
then people lives are not going to change.
01:43:59
If you all are not starting the nonprofits, if you are not running them, then how are people going to get the assistance that they need?
01:44:09
I referred two individuals in the past week to Mr. Fogel who needed some assistance.
01:44:17
And did they not call you?
01:44:19
Okay, just got the look.
01:44:22
And I, you know, Jeff and I don't, we haven't been talking regularly, but I think that what their needs are that he could, you know, that he could be helpful, so I think.
01:44:32
But we also have to build the team so that people have somewhere to go when they can get, you know, adequate services and adequate, you know, support.
01:44:44
So, again, we
01:44:46
need to just make sure that we are, you know, that the right energy is, and I'm not saying that my energy hasn't always been right, I'm just going to claim that in terms of relationships with
01:45:05
because I didn't expect to have to fight you all and you all know who I'm talking to, the way that I'm having to fight you.
01:45:13
And to be told that I'm a part of a system, you can ask anybody up here if they feel like I'm part of the system or any staff member and they're going to tell you no based on the conversations that we're having.
01:45:27
And I think it's just very important.
01:45:28
We're wasting a lot of time.
SPEAKER_08
01:45:34
I'm here to support CRB as well and I'm going to read some stories of people who
01:46:01
wanted me to tell just a couple stories of things that have happened with police in this area.
01:46:07
A lot of people didn't want to come forward because repercussions of being harassed, because they know that they will be harassed.
01:46:15
But this is just a couple quick stories.
01:46:18
And this one starts out with, there was an incident in my neighborhood, and the police was called.
01:46:24
The call was made, and the operator
01:46:29
asked, was the person white?
01:46:32
And they are asking the question, what does the color have to do with the police responding to calls?
01:46:39
Then when they came, one of the officers made the comment about the cars parked in front of the homes, said he'll be glad when the city takes the street over so he'll give all the cars parked their tickets, knowing that all that was parked there was owned by blacks.
01:46:55
All right, this is a young man to whom it may concern, he writes, I was walking home in Belmont behind Brown's store when a police cruiser pulled up on me.
01:47:06
The officer jumped out and asked for identification at the time.
01:47:11
I gave him that and I gave him my ID.
01:47:14
He called me to see if I was, he called in to see if I was who I said I was.
01:47:19
After my identification came back, then he called backup.
01:47:25
They continued to question me for over 47 minutes to be exact.
01:47:30
They couldn't find anything on me.
01:47:31
I finally asked them, do you have any warrant for my arrest?
01:47:35
They finally got around to saying no.
01:47:37
Then my response was, what are you still holding me for?
01:47:41
Bear in mind, I'm a black man and I just came home from prison after doing a lengthy sentence of 27 years.
01:47:47
Thank you for the time, he said.
01:47:48
And I want to share a little bit because I know his story also.
01:47:52
So this is a good reason for a CRB to get on police officers because if he had been violated,
01:47:59
You see what I'm saying?
01:48:00
If he had have been violated right at that moment, he'd have been doomed.
01:48:03
That would have been it.
01:48:05
And along with that, there's a lot of harassment going on here with probation officers.
01:48:09
So I support the CRB.
01:48:11
And we all know that we have to have checks and balances on everyone.
01:48:16
Someone said the word accountability.
01:48:18
Everybody has to be accountable for their actions.
01:48:21
And if you're wrong, you've got to be accountable for that.
01:48:24
You know, and we want to make sure that all people are treated fairly in the city.
SPEAKER_22
01:48:40
That's your problem.
01:48:50
You have no respect.
01:49:06
at all, period.
01:49:08
And yes, I'm telling you that you have no respect.
01:49:11
You don't call a black woman a black bitch.
01:49:14
You don't do that.
01:49:15
You don't do that.
01:49:16
And she got a son that'll come down here and drag you.
SPEAKER_21
01:49:19
And I'm telling you, apologize to her.
SPEAKER_22
01:49:21
Don't disrespect her like that.
01:49:23
You need to apologize.
SPEAKER_21
01:49:25
Respect our mayor.
SPEAKER_22
01:49:27
All them jackasses signs you made, you need to hold it for yourself.
01:49:31
Calling her our day.
01:49:32
Don't Tanisha me.
Nikuyah Walker
01:49:34
No, I'm Tanisha you for my Pia.
SPEAKER_22
01:49:36
He's disrespectful.
01:49:38
Dis-fucking-respectful.
01:49:40
He is.
SPEAKER_15
01:49:41
Absolutely.
01:49:42
Positivism.
SPEAKER_22
01:49:43
Calling her a black bitch.
01:49:45
You know better.
Nikuyah Walker
01:49:46
He's disrespectful to his channel.
SPEAKER_31
01:49:49
Thank you.
SPEAKER_22
01:49:55
the Vietnam War was
01:50:22
So, Tanisha?
01:50:37
Then you want to talk slow.
SPEAKER_16
01:50:40
Talk fast.
SPEAKER_22
01:50:41
Talk fast now.
01:50:42
You don't do that.
SPEAKER_16
01:50:43
I just would rather.
01:50:45
Tanisha.
01:50:46
What hate is.
01:50:47
That's our problem.
SPEAKER_22
01:50:49
Y'all always trying to apologize.
01:50:51
To throw down hate.
01:50:52
No.
01:50:53
Let them learn what hate is.
01:50:54
That's hate.
01:50:56
You don't call her that.
01:50:59
Period.
01:50:59
Do you understand that?
Nikuyah Walker
01:51:01
OK, so.
SPEAKER_22
01:51:01
Do you understand that?
Nikuyah Walker
01:51:03
And so just.
SPEAKER_22
01:51:06
It's no good to hear, ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
01:51:07
There's nothing that's ever been presented that tells us that you would get an apology, right?
SPEAKER_22
01:51:18
Like we're not going to get it.
Nikuyah Walker
01:51:25
But we would rather for him to have his three minutes and go
SPEAKER_22
01:51:31
All right, Ms. Thomas, could you start, please?
SPEAKER_18
01:52:01
Mail.
SPEAKER_31
01:52:02
Thank you, Mayor.
01:52:05
The Vietnam War was a very divisive war, but no matter how you felt, the facts are that many Americans were killed or wounded.
01:52:15
I was glad to see that Ann Mallick was at the 53rd rededication of the Vietnam Memorial.
01:52:21
I was very disappointed that there was no one from this group there.
01:52:26
I know that you don't have to answer my questions.
01:52:30
but I know that you can if you want to.
01:52:33
So I ask you, why weren't you there?
01:52:36
Would anybody like to answer that?
01:52:42
Folks at home, take note.
01:52:47
Silence speaks volumes.
01:52:59
Folks at home,
01:53:01
You've had a good dose of what Charlottesville is like.
01:53:07
They laugh about it in here, but people outside of the area are taking note.
01:53:18
There's another good example.
01:53:20
I say the more that they act up, the more that they
01:53:25
Lower themselves.
01:53:27
So I encourage them to do more.
01:53:31
Nice day everybody.
01:53:32
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
01:53:38
So Anthony Guy Lopez.
SPEAKER_07
01:53:48
Hello.
01:53:57
It's a hard act to follow there.
01:54:01
Okay, my name is Anthony Guy Lopez.
01:54:05
I'm a University of Virginia graduate.
01:54:09
I'm a father.
01:54:12
I'm also an enrolled Crow Creek Sioux tribal member.
01:54:17
And I'm here to ask the city council to consider moving the Lewis and Clark and Sacajawea statue.
01:54:28
I came here to Charlottesville back in the early 2000s and I represented my tribe, the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe, in the Lewis and Clark commemorations.
01:54:45
and I have to say that most of the American Indians who came here to see the statue, well to commemorate Lewis and Clark's journey and his encounter with my people, we were shocked to see the statues in Charlottesville that so disrespectfully portray American Indians
01:55:10
as well as the statues that honored Confederate generals.
01:55:19
So there is a statue that I think you're familiar with, the George Rogers Clark statue.
01:55:25
I don't know if everyone here is familiar with it.
01:55:29
It shows general, or I don't know if he was a general, but George Rogers Clark, the eldest brother of William Clark attacking a family of American Indians.
01:55:39
And if you look at it closely, there's a woman there.
01:55:42
She's holding a baby in a cradleboard.
01:55:46
And she is being protected by her husband and maybe her father.
01:55:50
They're pleading with George Rogers Clark to stop.
01:55:54
And then meanwhile, he's reaching back for a rifle or a musket that he's being handed by one of his soldiers.
01:56:00
And on the other side of the horse, there's a guy running up with a pistol about to surprise attack them.
01:56:07
And the statue is called
01:56:09
George Rogers Clark, Conqueror of the Northwest.
01:56:13
And it celebrates, when it was made, it celebrated that image and that history in Charlottesville.
01:56:21
Now, the Lewis and Clark and Sacajawea statue, I was part of the effort 10 years ago that was led by Jennifer Hoyt Tidwell, where she led an effort to
01:56:34
wake the city of Charlottesville up and to consider having that statue removed.
01:56:40
And that was the last time I spoke before this body.
01:56:44
And the council wouldn't consider actually removing the statue.
01:56:50
They gave us the option of reinterpreting it or some kind of mitigation.
01:56:55
So reluctantly, a few of us agreed and we got funding from the city for a plaque.
01:57:01
and I actually found the descendants of Sacajawea and they wrote the plaque language and we had a big ceremony when we dedicated it and our esteemed mayor at the time, Dave Norris, was there and he said he hoped the city would wake up and start to see the role of women in our society in a different way, that there would be a major shift
01:57:28
and I think now 10 years later it's one of my regrets that we didn't, that I didn't fight harder to have the statue removed at the time but it just seemed like it was ahead of its time and now I think and I applaud everyone who's taken action to make this an issue again and I'm appealing to the council to consider moving it and I understand the Lewis and Clark Exploratory Center is willing to take it
01:57:56
where it can be better interpreted and placed in context because this statue, even though we put a plaque up, it's still offensive.
01:58:10
It's demeaning.
01:58:11
And it's not the way I want my relatives, the women in my family, portrayed.
01:58:22
It's just something that I'm,
01:58:24
I think we can agree that it's not a good portrayal of women or of Native Americans.
01:58:31
And I also want to acknowledge some other people in the room.
01:58:36
Dr. Andrea Douglas, one of the chairs of the UVA Commission on Segregation, and Vice Provost Nelson is here.
01:58:44
He's on that commission.
01:58:46
I think Mayor Walker, you may be on that commission too.
01:58:48
I'm on it, but I haven't been.
01:58:50
And I wanted to applaud because there's an effort right now to bring Charlottesville's portrayal and history to be more accurate in regards to Native Americans.
01:59:05
So we're trying to build a center, we're trying to raise consciousness,
01:59:10
but I wanted to applaud the actions recently of the commission where they've commissioned some kind of statement about the George Rogers Clark statue.
01:59:22
Thank you, Dr. Douglas and all the other commissioners.
01:59:27
But I think in our campaign to bring American Indians and women and people and African Americans into the interpretation of history in this town,
01:59:40
I think the commissions, they also need to bring in more American Indians into the commission itself because I think we're not going to be happy with just another statement about a statute.
01:59:53
We want action.
01:59:56
We want the city to grow and reflect and reinterpret but also teach and demonstrate for the future
02:00:07
What is the proper way to enshrine our legacies for the future?
02:00:14
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:00:27
So I'll say since the first meeting that I had as a council member last year that I asked, you know, that the statute be removed.
02:00:38
That is the conversation that I've had with staff at, Councilor Galvin and I were in that initial meeting together.
02:00:46
And I think it's very important to understand, I think that article was in the hook
SPEAKER_21
02:00:53
Mr. Norris, is that the case?
Nikuyah Walker
02:00:55
Where they did the ceremony and put the plaque on.
02:00:59
And earlier today, we received an email that said, the statue is important historically, artistically, and culturally.
02:01:07
While some see Sacagawea's position as demeaning, I, for one, always saw it as connected to her incomparable role.
02:01:15
She knew where they were going and had the skills to follow the tracking.
02:01:20
and this was a white middle-aged woman in town.
02:01:28
And it's often, so we have to make sure that, and this is the work we are doing in terms of
02:01:44
race since 2017 too, oftentimes we don't want to listen to the individuals who were affected and we want to listen to the individuals who again we're back to that you know perceived power.
02:02:01
And I think it's very important that we understand that this is on the agenda tonight, right?
02:02:07
I can't even remember now.
02:02:08
But it's important that I know we have heard back that it'll change the plan, but that's the intent for it to change the plan for West Main Street.
02:02:23
I support the statue being removed, but I support every statue we've been discussing to be removed.
02:02:39
Any other comments?
02:02:41
Alright, so we, 845.
02:03:00
All right, call this meeting back to order.
02:03:13
Call this meeting to order.
02:03:27
All right, next on the agenda we have the Community Development Block Grant and Home Funding First Year Action Plan, Fiscal Year 19-20, first of one reading.
02:04:00
Good evening.
SPEAKER_47
02:04:03
The consolidated plan sets forth the goals that support community development over a five-year period and the consolidated plan for CDBG and HOME was approved by City Council last year.
02:04:19
Each year of the consolidated plan there's an action plan and so we are bringing forth
02:04:25
the action plan for the 2019-2020 plan year and this encompasses the funding that we received as entitlement from HUD for both CDBG which all remains within the city of Charlottesville and for the home budget that is part of the TJPDC consortium of which ourselves and the five surrounding
02:04:53
Counties received those funds.
02:04:57
The action plan is currently gone through a 30 day comment period.
02:05:02
And so we've had we've had one set of comments which we're integrating into the document at this point in time.
02:05:11
And we are here for a public hearing this evening from City Council.
02:05:15
This went for hearing at the Thomas Jefferson Planning District last Thursday and received support to move forward at that point in time.
02:05:25
And so staff is here to provide assistance with any questions that may arise, as well as to hear any additional public comment that might result from the public hearing this evening.
SPEAKER_11
02:05:40
OK.
02:05:42
Mayor Walker, I just have a point of clarification that I'd like to ask, and I don't know if this could be Mr. Blair, but I see that there are two resolutions here.
02:05:50
One is for the approval of the annual action plan, and Ms. Creasy, I don't know if you're the one to answer this too, and there's a resolution for priority neighborhood funds for Belmont.
02:06:02
So do we do those consecutively or do we do those one at a time or together?
John Blair
02:06:06
I would do those one at a time.
SPEAKER_11
02:06:08
That's fine.
Nikuyah Walker
02:06:13
Any other questions from council?
02:06:18
All right, I would like to open the public hearing.
02:06:21
Is there anyone who would like to speak?
02:06:29
All right, we'll close the public hearing.
02:06:34
Is there a motion?
SPEAKER_18
02:06:39
I move we adapt resolution approving the fiscal year 2019-2020 annual action plan.
02:06:44
Second.
Nikuyah Walker
02:06:50
Are there any further discussion?
02:07:09
Nope.
02:07:11
All right.
02:07:13
Call for a vote.
02:07:19
Carries four to one.
02:07:21
Thank you.
SPEAKER_18
02:07:25
I move we adapt a resolution of the priority neighborhood funds for Belmont in fiscal year 1920.
02:07:31
Second.
Nikuyah Walker
02:07:35
Is there any further discussion?
02:07:38
And this is the, um, the street, the sidewalk.
02:07:45
Is that, yeah.
02:07:46
Okay.
02:07:47
Just want to, I'm trying to keep it together in my head.
02:07:50
Um, so any further discussion?
02:07:52
All right.
02:07:54
Call the vote.
02:07:58
All right.
02:07:58
And that carries, um, five to zero.
02:08:04
All right.
02:08:04
Thank you.
02:08:10
We have the next public hearing is to amend the conditions for closing a portion of Coleman Street right away and it's the first of two readings and our presentation by City Attorney.
John Blair
02:08:30
Yes, thank you Mayor Walker.
02:08:33
Before you tonight is
02:08:36
An ordinance that has been updated since August the 6th, 2018.
02:08:42
For your background, the council on August 6th, 2018 did approve closing a portion of Coleman Street.
02:08:50
But in that ordinance, it stated that a storm sewer as well as a sanitary sewer that were mines that
02:09:01
into the project that Habitat for Humanity was going to use.
02:09:06
Since that time Habitat for Humanity has obtained a variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals.
02:09:11
That variance may allow them to build more units on the parcels in question.
02:09:17
and if they do build six units instead of two units it is possible they may not use the existing sanitary and storm sewer lines and therefore this proposed ordinance before you would allow them the flexibility if they don't want to use the sanitary sewer and storm sewer lines to either tie into those or they may use different sanitary or storm sewer lines
02:09:46
and at their cost, at the developer's cost, not at the city's cost if they want to, in fact, change the layout of the sewer lines.
SPEAKER_11
02:09:59
I do have a point of clarification, if I may.
02:10:02
So, and because this is, it's fresh in my mind because of some of the issues coming up in the Fry's Spring neighborhood where there is a proposal to have their own sewer treatment plant, basically.
02:10:14
This is still going to be tying into some public municipal system.
John Blair
02:10:19
Correct.
02:10:19
This will be tied into the city system.
SPEAKER_11
02:10:21
It just gives them different directions they can go in.
02:10:25
Yes.
02:10:25
Okay.
02:10:26
Very good.
Nikuyah Walker
02:10:26
Thank you.
02:10:28
Okay.
02:10:29
Any other questions?
02:10:34
No.
02:10:34
Okay.
02:10:36
Um, so we'll open it up for public hearing.
02:10:39
Is there anyone who would like to speak?
SPEAKER_23
02:10:44
Hi, I'm Mandy Burbage, I'm the Land Development Coordinator for Habitat for Humanity and I wanted to just let you guys know that I was here in case you did have any questions specific to what we were planning to do and just remind you guys since it's been a few months that we came in July requesting vacation of the right-of-way
02:11:06
lamenting the fact that we wouldn't be able to build six units of affordable housing because of the by-right setbacks for that zoning district and we were able to get the front and side yard setbacks reduced by the Board of Zoning Appeals so that we can still be off of critical slopes and build six dwelling units instead of two.
02:11:26
So that's what we were able to achieve but the right-of-way vacation ordinance you all acted on referred to a plat that
02:11:34
showed those easements where the utilities currently are.
02:11:38
So we just wanted to create more flexibility in the ordinance language.
02:11:43
But I'm happy to answer any other questions you guys might have about our plans for development, if you have any.
SPEAKER_11
02:11:50
I just want to say that's great news.
Nikuyah Walker
02:11:55
All right.
02:11:55
Any other questions?
02:11:59
Or anyone else here to speak on the public hearing?
SPEAKER_17
02:12:03
This is the community hearing, right?
Nikuyah Walker
02:12:07
No, this is about Coleman Street and Habitat Project.
02:12:11
Okay.
02:12:12
So is there anyone else here who would like to speak?
02:12:14
All right, so closing the public hearing.
02:12:20
And so this is a no vote, so they'll just go on a consent agenda for next.
02:12:24
Everyone supportive?
02:12:25
Okay.
SPEAKER_22
02:12:26
All right.
Nikuyah Walker
02:12:27
Thank you.
02:12:31
Update from the city manager's advisory on organizational equity.
SPEAKER_26
02:12:43
You ended so quickly.
02:12:44
You see all these people running who've been waiting.
SPEAKER_28
02:12:46
They're like, man, how did that happen?
SPEAKER_26
02:12:50
Mayor Walker, I'm going to make a few introductory comments and then I'm going to ask Ms. Demick to make a presentation to you all.
02:13:02
The council is aware that at the very beginning of my time as the interim city manager, I expressed that we would focus on customer service and on equity issues.
02:13:14
and I started that with a discussion at the council meeting about the many kind of metrics by which we can know that in Charlottesville we have some significant equity issues and some racial disparities and while
02:13:38
For me, having spent most of my career in human services and then coming to the city manager's office four years ago, most of our energy has been focused on those metrics and on the work that different groups could do or the city could do to change those metrics.
02:13:59
I was interested in a little bit different approach where we say,
02:14:03
What about our house?
02:14:05
And that is, you know, we have found it more comfortable often to evaluate programs and non-profits and evaluate them rather than ourselves.
02:14:20
And so that's the basis for this work.
02:14:24
And I'm extraordinarily grateful to Ms. Demick and Ms. Green
02:14:30
Matthew Murphy, for leading some community volunteers, many of which who are here, Geordie Yeager, Andrea Douglas, Kelly Palmer, Dave Sonnier, I miss anybody who's waited all this time, Lance, and they've done great work in really
02:14:52
over the last many months capturing three things for us.
02:14:56
One is to do a brief scan of our internal departments and ask them some key questions so that we can know where we're starting from.
02:15:08
Two is to look out in the world and see, you know, we keep hearing about equity tools and I know we've talked about this sometime over the past year or two, Dr. Bellamy has brought that to you, I've talked about it, and to really look at what's happening in other communities.
02:15:27
And then third, a lot of the meat of the agenda memo is about looking at what are we doing as an employer.
02:15:37
And so with that context, I turn it over to Kaki to talk a little bit with you all about what the group has found thus far and what I believe is a lot more work that the city needs to do on equity going forward.
SPEAKER_16
02:15:53
Hi, everybody.
SPEAKER_18
02:15:54
Good evening.
SPEAKER_16
02:15:57
So as Mike suggested, we started with doing some review and analysis of what other communities are doing around equity, particularly in local governments.
02:16:08
And there are two approaches.
02:16:10
One is to think about your equity profile, so your impact in your community.
02:16:14
And the other was to have this really internal view.
02:16:18
There are fewer of those municipal governments looking internally.
02:16:23
Hard to do that and so we looked at some internal organizational assessment tools and started to borrow some questions and tools that other communities were using.
02:16:35
We took a lot from Austin, Texas who had recently done a voluntary organizational assessment and so we asked all of our department leads to
02:16:45
complete one for their department and it had the list of questions is in the memo it was a fairly wide-ranging group of kinds of questions with two important questions very important questions being there one is to ask whether the demographics of the employees in that department matched the community and then the second would be do the demographics of that department match their
02:17:09
actual consumers because that can be different from department to department.
02:17:13
And we also asked a number of questions around culture.
02:17:17
And then we moved on to looking at demographics for employees and then matching salary to that group of demographics.
02:17:25
This is a first look.
02:17:27
There's a lot more sort of analysis to be done, but there's a number of charts in your memo that demonstrate that we have
02:17:36
Pretty consistently, people of color make less than the average salary across bands, while white employees make more than the average across most of those bands.
02:17:47
There are some notable exceptions, but it's significant, and it reflects a concern.
02:17:55
What it shows us is that something is happening, but it doesn't show us why.
02:17:59
And so that is another set of questions for us to ask and get curious about as we move forward.
02:18:06
This group also then studied other kinds of tools for how municipalities improve their internal processes for getting to equity.
02:18:15
So decision making processes, how do you make sure that you're considering who is impacted, what kinds of things, who's paying for the process, both in terms of cost to communities but also in terms of practical costs.
02:18:30
These are often called equity impact tools.
02:18:34
This group has met and had pretty wide-ranging conversations using all of these data points and had come up with sort of four broad areas for recommendations.
02:18:43
The first would be to implement best practices around diversity, equity, inclusion in all areas of the organization.
02:18:52
HR has a particular sort of
02:18:54
There's a lot of ownership around some of these things because of recruitment, training, and support.
02:18:59
Also staff promotion, leadership opportunities for staff.
02:19:03
But there are lots of ways in which diversity, equity, and inclusion can improve all of the departments and particularly in customer service areas.
02:19:12
The second would be to have an office of equity and inclusion that would include staff so that one of the big concerns is these kinds of offices often are standalone so someone carries the flag for sort of diversity equity and inclusion but it doesn't necessarily it get embedded in all aspects and all sort of processes or practices or decision-making across the organization and so this
02:19:36
group has initially felt like that would need to be a pretty well staffed and well authorized and empowered group of folks to make some changes across the organization.
02:19:45
And then to use an equity impact assessment tool, there was a lot of looking at kinds of tools, whether that would be embedded in like a council memo that sort of think about like an environmental impact study if you were going to build something.
02:19:58
So thinking about an equity impact study, having a really robust understanding
02:20:02
of the kind of impact in our community any one of our decisions would make, our practice decisions, our program decisions, our investments.
02:20:09
And then finally to do some pretty significant improvement around the way we do community engagement across the board.
02:20:14
That's been one of the most consistent sort of implementation strategies across local governments.
02:20:21
But it is clear that this group also thinks we need to prepare our context for any one of those changes, that those changes could be pretty significant, and that we need to make sure that we're preparing staff for the change in expectations around behavior and for performance outcomes.
02:20:39
And so there's a recommendation around training and support for that before we get going on any one of these concrete kinds of steps.
02:20:48
Any questions?
SPEAKER_10
02:20:49
Outstanding.
02:20:50
I'm really glad that we were able to use a lot of the models from Austin.
02:20:55
I know when I went out there, I was absolutely blown away by their tools that they're using, as well as the staff that they have.
02:21:01
And they started small.
02:21:03
I had just one director, Brian, and then I think he has three staff members, four staff members, and they do a lot of work and all since like twice the size of us.
02:21:15
One question I had though in regards to the great work, sorry let me back up, thank you Mr. Murphy, Mr. Mc, Ms. Green, everyone else has been involved because this is really important.
02:21:26
I know you all have been convening community members and whatnot and I'm just wondering what is the next step in terms of diving down into the folks who may be affected by this by these policies but may not have been as open to joining the groups and coming in participating in the roundtable discussions that's one question and secondly some time back I sent to my colleagues on council
02:21:56
I'm a proposal for LGBTQ equity advisory panel and I was wondering if there was any way for that to be rolled into this.
02:22:06
I think that's a population in which we often leave out when we're talking about equity and while there's discussion about how we can support them I think it would behoove us to have a specific advisory group similar to how we have with the minority
02:22:22
Business Advisory Task Force as having a LGBTQAI Advisory Task Force as well so that they can tell us specifically what's needed.
SPEAKER_16
02:22:32
Well, this group's next steps really have to do with defining that preparation, sort of what is it that we would like to provide to the organization and to staff to help prepare them for some of these eventual changes and recommendations, implementation of these recommendations.
02:22:47
So beyond that this group is looking for guidance about how to move forward with that so that's well taken.
02:22:53
I do think that it is for a lot of communities very similar to Charlottesville that the approach to equity has been to address racial equity first.
02:23:02
as a way of priming the pump for being able to look at equity for all.
02:23:07
So there's most of the communities who are doing this sort of maybe started a little bit before us.
02:23:13
I think about Seattle and Portland are a little bit further ahead.
02:23:16
But this is relatively new work for everybody.
02:23:18
And so whether that's a promise that actually pays out in the end and whether if you approach racial equity first, you get to equity for all, I think is still a reasonably open question because this is relatively new work.
02:23:31
I do think it would be
02:23:32
that there's nothing that says that we can't sort of be more inclusive in our approach, but our approach has been because the issues around racial equity are so present, current, and engaged in all of the aspects of the work that the community, that the city is delivering, we started there.
02:23:48
So, well taken, as we can expand.
SPEAKER_10
02:23:51
First things first.
SPEAKER_16
02:23:52
Maybe.
SPEAKER_11
02:23:53
I have a question.
02:23:54
So, Mr. McPhee, thank you, and Mr. Murphy, this is great work, really amazing.
02:24:01
A collection of data and the recommendations are very clear.
02:24:05
Now what do you need from us?
02:24:07
Do you need us to basically in a way move to accept your recommendations as you've outlined them on page 92 of our document?
02:24:17
Or is there any action right now?
02:24:20
Because I do believe that this is
02:24:23
almost in the form of a resolution that we could adopt, but it's not quite.
SPEAKER_16
02:24:28
I don't think the group feels like we're quite there yet.
02:24:31
I think that there needs to be some more sort of going back and gaining some clarity about what the recommendations are, but also our recommendations for sequencing and preparation.
02:24:41
Do we have to do all of this work around sort of preparing staff to have a conversation around these issues in a really robust and meaningful way before we implement any one of these other tools, or can there be sequencing that's a little staged?
02:24:53
This group would like some more time before it makes formal recommendations.
02:24:56
This is an update and also an opportunity for us to take some direction as well if there's something you'd like us to include in the future.
Nikuyah Walker
02:25:04
So I have some from looking.
02:25:06
So in the first part of the memo, right under as an organization, we must create effective internal operations.
02:25:15
One thing that I just think we need to express, even though we are acknowledging that there are some internal issues, is that the city has perpetuated these behaviors.
02:25:27
So I think that we just need to, I would have liked to have seen that.
02:25:33
to have seen that here along with our role as public service.
02:25:39
We've become a community where black and brown babies, just the acknowledgement of the practices and policies coming from the city government have- We haven't gotten it right.
SPEAKER_16
02:25:49
At all.
Nikuyah Walker
02:25:51
You don't have to say it all, but you know.
02:25:54
The other thing is
02:25:57
just looking at the data, just kind of trying to figure out in terms of the, I think it was six, right?
02:26:11
Hold on, let me find it.
02:26:14
Yeah, the first chart, racial distribution of city employees, the 935, and was the under the city salary analysis, was that supposed to be 953 or 935?
02:26:26
It's 935.
02:26:26
Okay.
SPEAKER_16
02:26:27
Sorry about that.
Nikuyah Walker
02:26:28
Sorry, I just had that.
02:26:30
But my question is just how much those six individuals at the top
02:26:40
I would like to know just how much they are skewing the numbers for the rest of the I guess 214 employees because based on the chart a couple pages over it seems as if it's just a few maybe three dollars or so difference in the average
SPEAKER_16
02:27:02
Are you talking about the other category, the number of employees in the other category?
SPEAKER_26
02:27:07
No.
02:27:07
I think the mayor is saying because there are six African-Americans in the management band,
02:27:14
If we were to exclude those salaries, do they kind of bring the averages closer to the rest of their white counterparts?
Nikuyah Walker
02:27:26
We do on table 8.
02:27:28
Well not closer because I don't think that's going to happen, but I just want to note with that number.
SPEAKER_16
02:27:32
So yeah, table 8 gets to that by pay band, so it takes out that group at the top, that management group, and I will say that of all of the groups to use to draw conclusions, the management band is the one that's hardest to draw, some sort of conclusion based on those numbers.
02:27:49
and so they do skew which is why we looked at all of all four of the bands and so on table eight you can see the if you take them out you can see the difference in the deviation from the average salary by pay band by race.
02:28:08
Okay and
02:28:10
And I will say that almost 60% of the African American employees that we have are in the professional and technical bands and not in management or protection.
Nikuyah Walker
02:28:19
And so that's why I was wondering how those numbers were affecting.
02:28:24
and the temporary employee, do I need to read my disclaimer here?
02:28:31
Everybody knows.
02:28:35
I think that's an area that we really need to pay attention to is how the city has been using individuals for and what that looks like.
02:28:51
And my next question is the internal assessments and how much time I hope the group is, and especially internal management, how much time we're going to give individuals to
02:29:05
get on board with this and what does that look like because we're talking about adults and I'm not going to call people old but I'm just older people.
SPEAKER_26
02:29:23
I will say that one of the reasons for being here tonight is that the department heads, in all fairness, haven't had this as a lens by which they might expect to be evaluated.
02:29:40
And while this was extraordinarily important to me,
02:29:44
During my time as the interim city manager, that time is soon coming to a close and while I'll still be with the city, I want the council to understand the importance of the work and in part know that I hope that Dr. Richardson and I will agree that this work continues, right?
02:30:03
And that it will be an important way that we evaluate the performance of the department heads going forward.
02:30:10
and so there has to be expectation before there can be evaluation and I think that we've created some amount of expectation now.
02:30:19
We did take a snapshot at the beginning and part of the reason that the group is saying we need to build more foundation is because quite frankly the snapshot could be better.
02:30:32
We have more work to do before we can do the heavy lifting is how I would best put it.
Nikuyah Walker
02:30:36
And so my challenge there, because I have one, is just the expectation to be evaluated.
02:30:48
For us to really get this work done, you're going to have to have people in positions who get this at a certain level.
02:30:54
If you're training people,
02:30:57
If you are letting them know what they're going to be evaluated on and then evaluating them on that, there's going to be someone who has to carry it.
02:31:08
And so, I mean, what I'm thinking about right now, newborn, you have to do everything for.
02:31:14
There is a person that has to carry that load versus someone who is no longer a newborn who is able to do things on their own and help other people, you know, figure that out.
02:31:27
Thanks for watching!
Nikuyah Walker
02:31:30
Where we are in the world today, hopefully, you hear that people are looking at equity and inclusion.
02:31:41
This isn't the first time.
02:31:43
So we often talk about this as if this is something new.
02:31:46
I know we are doing maybe things for the first time, but if you look at historically, there have been moments throughout history, almost every decade, where people have attempted to do this work.
02:32:00
I know that I'm not a very patient person, so I'm putting that in perspective, but I also know that you have to have the right people at the table to really shift an organization.
02:32:10
And I just would like for the group to explore what does, at what point is it clear that maybe the leaders that are in place maybe can't do this work, and how are you all going to evaluate that?
02:32:25
And that's one of the questions that I do have.
SPEAKER_16
02:32:29
Our last two meetings have been a robust conversation about exactly that.
02:32:34
How can you have performance expectations?
02:32:37
At what point will we have provided enough information, guidance, training around our expectations where we could say, we expect you to get it now and we're doing this because it's the right thing to do for sure, but in the end we're doing this because we anticipate it affecting all of those things on the first page.
02:32:55
We are doing this because we anticipate that improving our internal equity structures and understanding will improve the way we deliver services to our community and outcomes for our community.
02:33:07
And so we can't afford to have it just be a couple of people to get it.
02:33:11
We really have to figure out a way to create a plan where this is embedded in the way we do business.
02:33:17
This really is
02:33:18
a lens with which we see stuff all the time not just on one day or around one particular issue or one particular neighborhood and so finding the way to get there managing our collective impatience because we share that but also providing as much bedrock as we can so that we can have that expectation in a really realistic way
02:33:41
It's going to take several years of work.
02:33:43
And so I'm not saying we don't implement the tools in several years, but this year we mapped out, I mean today at our equity meeting we mapped out like a four year process where we were thinking year one, every single employee gets blank.
02:33:59
and we support with the following ways.
02:34:02
Year two, every single employee gets this and we support in the following ways.
02:34:07
We really talk about ways that this becomes an implementation strategy and not just a thinking strategy.
02:34:13
So you bring up a great point.
02:34:15
I don't know that we have, we certainly don't have an answer now, but it is what we've been wrestling with right now is how we get to this place where we can prepare for really meaningful use of whatever tools we recommend.
SPEAKER_10
02:34:26
See, I think to that point, it's commendable, but I do think that there is value in us getting outside consultation or having discussions with other groups and entities who are indeed doing this work.
02:34:42
For example, there's a group, BGR, out of North Carolina, they basically train governments on how to look at equity tools.
02:34:54
There's groups out of DC.
02:34:55
I mean, I've been to a ton of these trainings.
02:34:56
There's so many people doing it.
02:34:58
But in any event, I think it's one thing for us to have access or, excuse me, get information just from analyzing other cities and municipalities.
02:35:10
But there's another for the city staff or even the lead team going and undergoing certain training.
02:35:17
Or even the counselors, for that matter.
02:35:18
We need to go through equity training to see how we analyze it.
Nikuyah Walker
02:35:22
I don't need equity training.
SPEAKER_10
02:35:23
Okay, we need to go through equity training.
SPEAKER_16
02:35:28
We have talked about field trips, where we would want to go, and we have applied to become members of GARE so that we can benefit from that collective wisdom of other communities doing this kind of work.
SPEAKER_10
02:35:40
GARE is known as the gold standard in equity training.
02:35:44
GARE, someone asked me the other day,
Nikuyah Walker
02:35:45
And so just my kind of challenge to what you're seeing now, Councillor Bellamy, is I look at the citizens who are spending their time on this committee and I think it's whether outside groups could give better information than they would.
02:36:06
We'll probably say no.
02:36:08
I think the challenge is, is the city going to listen to what the information that they receive from the group, rather than whether we need someone from outside of the area to come in.
SPEAKER_10
02:36:22
Well it's challenging.
02:36:23
It's difficult.
02:36:23
I mean the city
02:36:25
Change in all municipalities are often met with resistance when you're talking specifically about race.
02:36:29
We've dealt with it firsthand.
02:36:32
Talking about race oftentimes brings about a reaction in which makes individuals say, no, no, no, not me, not us, not here.
02:36:40
And then there's patterns and steps in which you have to go through to get to different points.
02:36:44
I do think, though, our community is more open to having these discussions.
02:36:48
and even looking at different ways in which we must operate from a not only political but philosophical perspective than many other localities.
02:36:57
And other localities are doing even more than us.
02:37:00
So if we're in a better place to be able to be open and deal with this stuff, which I think we are, then I think that we need to go forth with doing it.
02:37:08
And I think it's a boat that doesn't have to be an either or.
02:37:11
Like we all need to go through the equity training, but there also needs to be community equity.
02:37:17
because you are part of us and we need to go.
Nikuyah Walker
02:37:20
No, because this is part of the problem.
02:37:22
It's when you, and I really do feel this way, I don't need an equity trainer.
02:37:27
Why not?
02:37:27
So we're not going to say we to make everybody else feel comfortable.
02:37:30
You can say you and them, but I'm not an individual who feels that this is where I need to spend my time.
02:37:39
So why are you saying we?
02:37:41
Why do you feel like you need it?
02:37:42
Maybe you can address that with me.
SPEAKER_10
02:37:44
We have a discussion.
02:37:45
We have a discussion later.
SPEAKER_16
02:37:47
And the training is really how do we help other people learn it, right?
02:37:51
So whatever our perspectives might be, how do we help coach staff in all categories, particularly in managers and supervisors, to be able to support this as a mechanism for improving and changing the way that we implement our work.
02:38:05
And so some of that is not about getting the equity lens ourselves, but about helping figure out how we get that to other people.
SPEAKER_26
02:38:13
I just want to emphasize, right, this is about, at the end of the day, how are we best going to serve the citizens, right?
02:38:22
And that's by a huge kind of change in our practice by making this a primary lens, right?
02:38:29
Because I could tell you that that beginning of the document, all those markers, those are things I said in August, right?
02:38:39
And that's because I know
02:38:41
that I've been involved with countless initiatives over the past 24 years that said we're going to do this about prenatal, we're going to do this about getting kids ready for kindergarten, we're going to do this about health.
02:38:58
We have to look at our part in all of that and so you know it's not my intent to pick on any department because I really believe that there's an application for every city department in thinking differently about this but so much time has been spent over the years talking about like police tonight or social services or something like that
02:39:22
but until you think differently and approach it differently then we won't make any difference and progress so that's the whole purpose of this and it's easy to give money to programs and you know this is not a knock on the work.
02:39:41
Council's done great work on equity over the last year but we've also put a lot of money into more programming instead of changing how we think.
02:39:49
And so that's what I'm hoping ultimately will encourage folks to do with us.
SPEAKER_10
02:39:55
Which again is why we all need it.
02:39:57
So what's the next steps in that regard?
02:40:01
Is there an allocation in terms of funding from counties?
SPEAKER_16
02:40:05
I really appreciate that you guys have started with ways to give us money and so hold on to that thought because we're going to need it but we're not there yet and so this group needs to spend some more time thinking about best ways to do exactly this issue about how do you translate this from a one-time only training, a concept around sort of diversity to actually change the way you practice.
SPEAKER_26
02:40:27
I want to point out, Ms. Dimmick, that both the doctors back there, Drs.
02:40:31
Palmer and Douglas made faces when you turned away the money.
02:40:34
and they are absolutely incredulous in your statements.
SPEAKER_16
02:40:38
Give us whatever money you want to give us now but be prepared for another ask.
02:40:43
So that's the next step is for us to figure out to do a better job being able to map out learning from other communities but also wrestling with ourselves about how it is we want to prepare for this sort of roll out of this context and training and support.
SPEAKER_10
02:40:58
Is it possible for us to look at having gear training?
SPEAKER_16
02:41:03
Absolutely.
02:41:04
I can't imagine that we would turn down a gear training ever.
SPEAKER_10
02:41:08
I would love for us to pursue that in the immediate.
SPEAKER_16
02:41:17
We're waiting to hear from them.
02:41:18
So we applied.
02:41:18
You have to have made a reasonable effort in order to have them even give you some sort of thoughts on it.
02:41:24
So we started anyway.
02:41:26
We said this is what we're doing.
02:41:28
And is it enough for you guys to bring us into the party?
02:41:31
Because I do think there's going to be extraordinary learning to be done from other communities, particularly around this idea about how to influence impact and performance expectations and not just do a lot of training.
02:41:42
This is not about self-reflection.
02:41:44
This is about changing behavior.
SPEAKER_10
02:41:45
We're further ahead than most places.
SPEAKER_16
02:41:47
In some ways I think absolutely.
SPEAKER_10
02:41:49
We have equity packages, equity funds, like equity this and that, but there's still a lot for us to do.
02:41:56
There's definitely ground to plow.
SPEAKER_11
02:41:58
If I may add something too, I just want to say that what is so obvious to me and what you're trying to do
02:42:05
It is trying to change the culture of the organization.
02:42:07
And we can have as many programs as we want about sustainability, equity, all the five points of our strategic plan.
02:42:17
But the rubber hits the road when it's implemented and the people implementing our staff.
02:42:22
And if our staff aren't mission driven, it's not going to happen.
02:42:25
It doesn't matter how much we do as a council.
02:42:27
So I really appreciate the fact that this is an understanding
02:42:30
that the culture of the people that do the implementation has to be on board with the very principles of the organization.
02:42:39
And I'm seeing it, it's the equity lens, but it's having an application to justice and environment and health, everything.
02:42:51
And that's really insightful and it's going to be extremely hard, but it's essential.
SPEAKER_16
02:43:00
So thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:43:02
And I would just say, just to comment on that, it's not just staff.
02:43:07
I think council, the years that I've been coming before being here and after being here this year, I mean, how long have I been here?
02:43:14
A year and a few months.
02:43:19
The body as a whole will have to look at itself too and the direction that we give the staff members and the tone that we set in the community too.
02:43:33
And we'll just have to be mindful about this work as we are approaching three seats.
02:43:41
and how we feel about this work getting done.
02:43:46
So it's not just staff, because I've been in a lot of rooms where staff have had ideas or things that may get us to a more holistic place and we are giving them different directions.
02:44:02
So council will have to be on board with this shift too.
SPEAKER_26
02:44:13
Thank you again to these folks who are doing their work.
SPEAKER_10
02:44:24
Yeah, that's great.
02:44:25
But then when will we hear back in regards to the next steps?
02:44:29
So like what are our timeline for what happens next?
02:44:33
I know we're from gear, but then like that's just one component.
02:44:37
What else is going on?
Nikuyah Walker
02:44:38
When you want us to come back?
02:44:40
Well, I think one, I'm not just trying to answer, but I think part of this is that since, you know, Mr. Murphy made this
02:44:52
you know probably the most important part of his work during this interim time is that this is probably why we're being presented with this overview today and that as a council when we are discussing work plan with our new city manager then this is a time for us to have the conversation about this work continuing and
02:45:17
you know talking about the value that we place in it so I think that's the
SPEAKER_26
02:45:24
And in the meantime, if these folks are willing to keep meeting, I assume you endorsed that prior to the plan being approved.
SPEAKER_16
02:45:31
Yes.
SPEAKER_26
02:45:31
So is that making the group an official commission?
SPEAKER_16
02:45:33
I was flippant about when you want us to come back.
02:45:35
But this group is very specifically working towards identifying concrete goals and some expectations around process for you all to consider.
02:45:44
And that's when we'll come with a huge money ask.
SPEAKER_10
02:45:47
Yeah, that's fine.
02:45:48
That was a joke.
02:45:48
But I think we have to.
SPEAKER_16
02:45:50
We may need some money.
02:45:50
But some change in infrastructure and all that.
SPEAKER_10
02:45:53
But I think we have to look at formalizing that group into like so does that group become an official advisory task force?
02:46:00
Do they become a commission?
02:46:01
Because that's how it's done in other cities so that they can remain maintained on the books.
02:46:08
Because if this council changes and they say, well, we don't have a priority in terms of equity.
02:46:13
Like the last one does, you want to be able to have some kind of substantive policy measure and stuff that we've taken to ensure that this group remains just like the Planning Commission.
SPEAKER_16
02:46:25
This group was asked to commit to six months of meetings and so I can't commit to them.
02:46:29
that will continue to formalize that.
02:46:32
But this group has also identified the need for some continued, both staff and community member combo advisory board, however formal that gets defined.
02:46:45
And so that will be part of the recommendations for what the structure is for continuing to support this.
02:46:51
And the six months for this group is up when?
02:46:54
in like a month.
02:46:56
You can tell they want to keep meeting.
SPEAKER_10
02:47:00
So then we'll expect to hear from you guys again with the recommendations next month.
SPEAKER_26
02:47:05
How about, you know, they're going to work together for another three months.
02:47:08
That will coincide with when you're talking with Dr. Richardson about his plan and hopefully those things will align.
02:47:16
You know, I think why this has been an advisory
02:47:21
Coming out of the city manager's office is because it's very intentional to focus first on our internal business before we turn our views out to what we're going to do impacting out in the world.
02:47:35
And at that point, you want an advisory group and you want that to be council appointed?
02:47:40
I understand that.
SPEAKER_10
02:47:41
I understand that part of Audley.
02:47:43
I'd just like for us to communicate these things so that everyone is very clear in regards to our expectations so that no one's in the dark and we know what's what.
02:47:53
So I know clearly when I can hear back from you all or expect to hear back and then what the next steps may be so that we can play accordingly.
02:48:01
That's all.
SPEAKER_16
02:48:02
I hear that we'll be back here with our formal recommendations within three months.
02:48:06
And I hear that that will include some recommendation about how it is the work gets continued with either a formal commission or some other kind of advisory.
SPEAKER_10
02:48:15
And the go train.
SPEAKER_42
02:48:17
Just a quick question.
02:48:21
Do we have employee resource groups here?
02:48:24
Anything like that?
02:48:25
Because that's another way that in the private sector sometimes that you're institutionalizing diversity.
02:48:32
as a value is creating these employee groups that create more and they create a chain up to management about issues of concern and you can create more of them and it's a way to empower employees and create a much more dynamic organization around a lot of the topics that you're talking about.
02:48:56
But with the new city manager coming on, it's obviously key to know what he's going to
02:49:02
want to do but that's as opposed to one commission that would kind of talk about this topic in the way that that might be a way to go but these ERGs is another way that I know that
SPEAKER_16
02:49:15
So far our conversations have always been yes and, and so we haven't chosen one or the other.
02:49:20
We believe that we're going to need multiple methods, formal and informal, to sort of get to the outcome we're describing, and that includes interdisciplinary employee-driven groups where there's a sense of safety to be able to explore and take risks around this kinds of issue.
02:49:34
We do have some of those effective teams right now in the city, and so I think there's a culture for setting those things up that would be easy to ride on.
SPEAKER_42
02:49:44
Great, thanks.
SPEAKER_18
02:49:46
Thank you.
02:49:46
Everyone's covered.
02:49:47
I'm not going to.
02:49:48
All right.
02:49:50
Thanks very much.
02:49:50
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_11
02:49:51
I do want to thank Mr. Murphy as well for making this such a priority.
02:49:56
Thank you very much.
SPEAKER_42
02:49:57
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:50:01
All right.
02:50:02
Next we have the Charlottesville Retirement Fund and divestment considerations.
Jason Vandever
02:50:16
Good evening, Mayor Walker, City Council, members of the public.
02:50:19
My name is Jason Vandiver.
02:50:20
I serve as city treasurer managing the city's investment portfolio.
02:50:25
And I also sit as a member on the city's retirement commission, which is a 10-member body charged with oversight of the city's retirement plan.
02:50:32
I appreciate the opportunity to address you tonight.
02:50:35
Before I start, I'd also like to recognize Chris Cullinan, director of finance, and John Blair, city attorney, who helped prepare the memo that you can find in your council packet.
02:50:45
My role here tonight is to provide you with a fascinating overview of the city's investment portfolio and both within the city's core operating funds and within those set aside specifically for the city's pension plan.
02:50:59
This report was requested by council as there's a growing interest in the individual holdings within the city's portfolio.
02:51:06
There's some public support and council interest in potential divestment from certain asset classes and that's what we're discussing tonight.
02:51:14
So it's important to note again that there are two separate pots of money that we're talking about here.
02:51:19
The first is the city's core investment portfolio, and that's comprised of our operating funds.
02:51:25
And that's just used to conduct normal city business, and depending on what time of year it is, that portfolio ranges from 50 to $100 million.
02:51:34
and that portfolio is managed by our office with the primary objectives of safety, liquidity and yield in that order.
02:51:45
Permitted investments are governed by the Code of Virginia and the city's own internal investment policy developed by the city treasurer.
02:51:53
Within this portfolio, the city holds investments such as money markets, CDs, negotiable CDs.
02:52:01
There's an investment in a state government investment pool run by the state treasurer.
02:52:06
And there's also short and intermediate debt obligations from both federal government and corporate agencies or public corporations.
02:52:14
The second portfolio of note is the city's retirement plan.
02:52:18
And that is comprised of approximately $154 million in assets.
02:52:22
And these are funds that have been set aside for both city and employee contributions for the future payment of retirement and medical benefits for city employees.
02:52:32
The plan's assets are diversified across the market with holdings in domestic and international stocks, real estate, agriculture, and fixed income investments such as government and corporate bonds.
02:52:44
City Code stipulates that the funds shall be maintained for the exclusive benefit of employees or their beneficiaries and they're held in trust by the city.
02:52:54
So these are not general operating funds.
02:52:57
They are fiduciary funds held in trust for plan participants.
02:53:01
So included in your agenda memo is further detail on the plan's investment policy and more details on specific fund managers and what their specific mandates are.
02:53:12
So the primary questions before you today are what is divestment?
02:53:16
Why would the city want to divest from certain asset classes?
02:53:20
Can the city divest from certain asset classes?
02:53:22
And what would the process look like to divest?
02:53:25
This is primarily precipitated by an interest in our investments in fossil fuels and weapons manufacturers.
02:53:33
Specifically, the retirement fund currently holds about $1.6 million in direct energy investments and approximately $2.2 million indirectly through index funds and other commingled investments.
02:53:47
Just some examples of holdings that would apply there would be Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell,
02:53:54
your drill manufacturers and things like that.
02:53:57
So regardless of what sector you might be interested in, it's important to kind of first take a step back and understand some of the concepts in the social investing space.
02:54:07
There are a lot of different terms that are sort of used interchangeably.
02:54:10
They've changed over the years.
02:54:11
and the sector has definitely grown a lot and there's a lot more interest in it now.
02:54:16
And so the first area that is sort of the umbrella that all of this falls under is sustainable, responsible and impact investing, also known as SRI.
02:54:26
And this is sort of an investment strategy designed to generate both long-term financial returns that are competitive and at the same time generate positive social impact.
02:54:37
SRI strategies include the consideration of what are known as ESG factors, which I'll talk about in a moment, positive or negative screening, so either including investments that align with sort of your moral or ethical guidelines or screening out ones that don't, community investing, shareholder resolutions, and shareholder engagement.
02:54:59
So ESG factors, which I mentioned a moment ago, that stands for environmental, social, and governance factors.
02:55:07
And these are additional factors beyond financial performance that might be considered when you're constructing a portfolio.
02:55:13
And these strategies are sort of layered on top of a fundamental financial analysis.
02:55:19
And they may or may not be financially driven, but they're sort of additional qualitative or quantitative factors that someone might use when they're building a portfolio.
02:55:29
and then of course divestment, which is one type of SRI investing where certain sectors or companies are excluded from a portfolio based on specific criteria.
02:55:39
So it's important to note that any investment decision taken by the Commission or any guidance provided by Council must be done solely in the interest of the plan's beneficiaries.
02:55:50
So we all collectively have a fiduciary responsibility to plan participants, so I'm a fiduciary, everyone in the Retirement Commission is a fiduciary, you all are fiduciaries, and so that's just something that we need to keep in mind.
02:56:02
And I don't say that to imply that we can't pursue a socially responsible investment strategy, but that investment decisions can't be made solely on the basis of collateral social objectives.
02:56:13
They have to be rooted in a financial interest that aligns with the plan's members and beneficiaries.
02:56:18
So you have to kind of put the work in to get to that point to make those sorts of decisions.
02:56:23
Certainly the interest in responsible investing has exploded over the past few years.
02:56:29
Individual investors have a lot of options when it comes to this area.
02:56:33
In the institutional investor space, which we're a part of, private pension plans would be a part of that.
02:56:38
Most of the activity that we've seen has been within endowments or foundations.
02:56:44
They have a little more flexibility than public plans do.
02:56:47
Currently there are not any public pension plans in Virginia who have implemented a widespread divestment strategy.
02:56:53
Nationally there are several plans that have been in the press recently such as New York City who have indicated a desire to divest from certain asset classes and they've just started that process.
02:57:06
So that's something that we will be watching for sure.
02:57:10
So what does all of this mean?
02:57:12
For the city's operating funds, which does not have the same standard of fiduciary care, we have a little more flexibility than we do on the retirement plan.
02:57:22
So as treasurer, I'd certainly be open to a resolution supporting the divestment of operating funds from the sectors that we're discussing tonight.
02:57:28
There would still be a process involved in taking that step.
02:57:31
I just want to reach out to our investment manager, make sure they understand what we're asking them to do, and then if it's Council's desire, come back in June with potential language for resolution regarding the city's operating funds.
02:57:45
The retirement fund is a little bit more complex.
02:57:48
We have to be able to defend both the investment decision that is made as well as the process by which that investment decision was made.
02:57:55
And so the commission is currently engaged in an RFP for an investment advisor.
02:57:59
And there are several criteria in that RFP where we've asked them to detail the experience they have working in sustainable investment practices as well as any divestment strategies that they've undertaken for other public pension plans.
02:58:15
We're expecting to get those results back towards the end of this month and make a selection next month and hopefully have a contract executed later this summer.
02:58:26
So our recommendation in regard to the retirement fund is to allow the commission this summer to make a selection from that RFP process and then immediately engage the advisor on this issue.
02:58:36
So I hope you can see that there are a lot of moving parts and complexities involved in any investment decision that a prudent process takes time to develop and implement.
02:58:46
I've met with many of the representatives from Divest Seville.
02:58:49
Some of them have spoken at the Retirement Commission.
02:58:51
They've spoken before you as a body.
02:58:53
And I think we understand the importance and urgency of this issue.
02:58:57
And we look forward if it's Council's desire to dive into this topic over the next few months and come back with some actionable steps and a path forward.
02:59:05
So with that conclusion I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
SPEAKER_11
02:59:11
I do have a couple questions if I may, Mayor Walker.
02:59:15
So with regards to the retirement fund, because it's in the city charter, to change the criteria from say loyalty and care to
02:59:30
the more flexible criteria of the operating fund.
02:59:33
That would require an amendment to the charter which would then require general assembly permission and all that, right?
02:59:41
I just want to get a sense of the difficulty.
Jason Vandever
02:59:43
Yeah, I'm not sure we could do that.
02:59:44
I'll defer to Mr. Blair.
John Blair
02:59:46
Well, it's in the city code, but it's also part of state law as a fiduciary, responsibility as a trust.
SPEAKER_11
02:59:54
And then the other thing is that there is there ever a situation where a municipality would provide the pensioners a choice so that there was an option to have a much more socially responsible pension fund.
03:00:14
But that I can imagine that has very difficulty, a lot of difficulty in managing that.
03:00:18
But I just wondered if that was ever done.
Jason Vandever
03:00:22
I don't know of any examples of that being done.
03:00:25
I do know that not all of our employees are in the pension plan.
03:00:29
Some of them are in a defined contribution plan where they are able to select their own investment options.
03:00:34
And so one thing that we could look at is seeing whether it's possible to add socially responsible investment options to the contribution plan.
Nikuyah Walker
03:00:43
That would be great.
03:00:47
So they select their options based on a list that follows that?
SPEAKER_26
03:00:54
So people who have that particular contribution plan, they can be very explicit in the choices they're making and the selections of what they're investing that money in, or they can put that money into
03:01:17
A fund that is targeted for their year of retirement.
03:01:21
So I mean it runs the whole gamut and some people feel great comfort in really doing the research and picking and changing over time and some people I'm aware of chose the day they became an employee and have never moved the money.
03:01:37
So I mean it really depends on the individual.
03:01:39
There is a lot of choice though.
Nikuyah Walker
03:01:41
And how stable is our retirement plan?
03:01:47
Are you asking about the pensions?
03:01:58
Yes, so the retirement fund, is it a very stable?
Jason Vandever
03:02:02
Yeah, I think it probably depends on how you're looking at stable.
03:02:06
I guess I'll answer it in two parts.
03:02:08
One is that the asset allocation that we have is fairly conservative when it comes to pension plans.
03:02:15
It's broadly diversified.
03:02:16
So in that sense, I would say that it's stable.
03:02:20
The funded status of the plan which may be what you're referring to is currently about 56% funded and you may remember several years ago we implemented a sustainability study and plan of action where we were focused on improving the funded status of the plan and there were several action steps that council took to improve the funded status with a goal of doing that within 10 years.
SPEAKER_11
03:02:47
Which year was that?
03:02:50
That was like two years ago, two, three years ago.
Jason Vandever
03:02:53
Yeah, so we're a couple years into that.
Nikuyah Walker
03:03:00
So at 56% funded, and I guess based on your presentation, we wouldn't be able to do, make a decision that decreased that in any way, right?
03:03:17
So how do you all weigh the divestment in also making sure that people have their retirement when they are ready to retire?
SPEAKER_26
03:03:29
I think a couple different pieces of that, you know.
03:03:32
It is at 56 now.
03:03:34
We've been making some progress.
03:03:37
The goal at the time was to get it to 80% funded status by which year?
Nikuyah Walker
03:03:42
Within 10 years?
SPEAKER_26
03:03:43
Within 10 years when it started.
03:03:45
So, you know, hopefully that will
03:03:49
And is 80% the standard?
03:04:04
I think that's a goal.
03:04:07
I think that there's another side of this, what's the acronym, OPEB, stand for Jason?
03:04:11
Yeah, other post-employment benefits.
03:04:13
Right, which the city and I guess all localities are going to have to report on this.
03:04:20
We've been putting money aside into that for much longer than other localities, so we're in good funded status on that.
03:04:28
It's the combination of all these factors that we want to be looking at.
03:04:33
So, in that regard, it does stabilize the whole pot.
Nikuyah Walker
03:04:39
This other post-employment benefit?
03:04:41
Correct.
03:04:43
And so, was that part of the strategy to make the retirement fund more stable, or was it different?
SPEAKER_26
03:04:55
We budget for them separately, but I think it is strategic that the city started budgeting for it before it was necessary or measured.
SPEAKER_18
03:05:08
It's fair to say that one of the reasons we're going out for RFP is we're looking at other approaches that we can take to the overall fund and how we manage that fund.
Jason Vandever
03:05:17
I think to your point, Mayor Walker, about what impact would divestment have on the funded status, that's one of the things that we need to look at.
03:05:26
There certainly is competing research on whether you can attain the same rate of return if you divest from a significant asset class, such as fossil fuels and energy.
03:05:37
There are several very public studies that have said that you can absolutely achieve the same rate of return.
03:05:44
There are others that say something different and so that's why we would want to make sure that our investment advisor is looking at our particular asset class to understand what the implications would be for the city of Charlottesville and not some hypothetical fund somewhere else.
Nikuyah Walker
03:05:59
And would this be something that, would it be a retro decision or would it be a moving forward?
John Blair
03:06:11
I think it would be prospective.
SPEAKER_26
03:06:13
Yeah, moving forward most certainly.
SPEAKER_42
03:06:20
Mayor Walker, I wanted to thank also you for your work.
03:06:25
I think that I really appreciate the topic being raised because it could go in different directions like your memo lays out.
03:06:34
And to me, I'm really eager to get
03:06:38
advice and to look through the RFP the socially responsible track because it's just philosophically it's really different to say we're going to use this the funds that we have to fund new benefit-driven sectors so like solar companies that if you're saying we're going to take out we're going to divest that's super compelling because it does raise the parallel with
03:07:03
The apartheid era and that whole tactic, but it's different from saying we're going to use the wealth that we have to invest in and enable new sectors.
03:07:12
That's, and the country's going through this right now, like we reinvented
03:07:16
the whole corporate structure to have benefit corporations which allow the pursuit of socially beneficial purposes in addition to just maximizing shareholder value.
03:07:25
So we as a municipality could say we're going to put our finger on the scale.
03:07:29
We want to use this money to try to help build out whole new areas of value.
03:07:36
of the economy.
03:07:37
And there's lots of research that shows that your number one here, the SRI outperforms regular baselines, but it's different than saying we're going to subtract these classes.
03:07:48
It's saying we're just going to use all this money for an entirely different set of
03:07:53
investments in these new sectors.
03:07:56
And I'm very interested in getting advice on that.
03:08:00
And I'm actually like I'm looking around.
03:08:03
There's a lot of stuff online about SRI for entities that want to invest in municipal bonds.
03:08:09
But I want to know what's out there where a city has said we're going to use all of our money in these investment strategies that, you know, like a lot of private sector people are using.
03:08:20
And I just want to know more about it.
SPEAKER_11
03:08:22
Would that be something that we get out of the RFP process with the consultant?
Jason Vandever
03:08:27
Yeah, absolutely.
03:08:27
I think, you know, as it's detailed in the memo, so, I mean, divestment is just one strategy.
03:08:32
And, you know, Councillor Signer has mentioned other strategies that, you know, hopefully at Investment Advisor we can find one that has experience in that and kind of walk us through all the options that are available.
SPEAKER_11
03:08:43
I'm very interested in that as well.
03:08:45
So, because it sounds like those
03:08:50
Defining a certain terminology section in your memo where you've got the sustainable, responsible, and impact investing, and then you've got environment, social, and governance factors.
03:09:01
And then the third piece is divestment.
03:09:03
So I think what we're saying is that we're interested in the top two.
03:09:07
I for one am very interested in after the RFP is issued and the Retirement Fund Commission works with the consultant to come up with a strategy, an evaluation.
03:09:28
Then we'll convene in the summer here and we'll decide whether or not we can actually move forward with those four steps that you've outlined.
03:09:39
but then with the operating fund we could tell you right now tonight that we do want to move forward with a resolution supporting an effort to divest.
John Blair
03:09:54
That can come back in June and I do want to just sort of make it clear now ultimately those decisions do rest with the city treasurer but the council's resolution would be encouraging.
SPEAKER_11
03:10:08
Yes.
03:10:11
You need to speak still with your advisors to craft the resolution that we will be adopting in two months.
Jason Vandever
03:10:26
So for the operating fund, if it's your desire, I'd be happy to come back in June.
03:10:33
And we have some sample language.
03:10:36
I just would prefer to have a memo that's specific towards the operating fund and a resolution that just deals with the operating fund that we could bring back.
03:10:43
But it's basically done.
03:10:45
And we could have it ready for you in a couple weeks.
SPEAKER_11
03:10:48
Because that's just next month.
Jason Vandever
03:10:50
Yes.
03:10:51
OK.
SPEAKER_26
03:10:54
Perhaps move on to the next seven items.
03:10:59
We'll ask Mr. Vandiver to come to one of the two June meetings to talk about a specific strategy on the operating funds and his work with those.
03:11:08
By the time that we go out to RFP, select the advisor and they're able to do the work to advise us.
03:11:13
I think we're probably talking early fall, September, October timeframe to return to council as far as the retirement fund goes.
SPEAKER_11
03:11:20
Yes, but I would very much
03:11:23
I'd like to see a resolution about the operating fund in our council memo in June.
03:11:30
Is that correct?
03:11:31
That's what I'm hearing is possible.
SPEAKER_23
03:11:33
Okay.
03:11:34
Thank you very, very much.
SPEAKER_11
03:11:36
Thank you.
SPEAKER_26
03:11:36
Thank you, Jason.
Nikuyah Walker
03:11:37
Thank you.
03:11:42
All right, next we have the homeowner tax relief grant program 2019.
03:11:48
First to one reading.
Todd Divers
03:11:50
Hello Mayor Walker, Members of Council, Mr. City Manager.
03:11:55
You're halfway home tonight I think.
03:11:57
I should thank you for giving me the opportunity to say something nice that our office does now that personal property bills have all landed and everybody's kind of irritated with us right now.
03:12:08
I'm here to talk about the Charlottesville Housing Affordability Program.
03:12:11
You guys gained some familiarity with it if you didn't have it already back during the budget process.
03:12:18
There was some discussion of expanding the grants.
03:12:23
We actually expanded them last year over what they had been for a long, long time.
03:12:32
But I think you decided this year we were going to go even further.
03:12:35
This program is authorized or the basis for this program comes from
03:12:42
The city charter, it has to kind of roughly adhere to the parameters of the VHDA home loan program.
03:12:53
The maximum home value is set by that program.
03:12:56
The income threshold is set by that program.
03:12:59
Without going
03:13:00
giving you everything about it.
03:13:04
What we're proposing is to increase the income threshold this year from $50,000 to $55,000.
03:13:11
The maximum home value will remain at $375,000, which you raised last year.
03:13:18
The grants themselves, you're proposing
03:13:23
Applicants making $25,000 or less in annual income would get full relief from their real estate tax.
03:13:31
Those making up to $35,000 would get $1,000.
03:13:35
Those making up to $45,000 would get $750 and those making up to $55,000 would get $500.
03:13:42
It's a very generous program.
03:13:45
It's a very popular program.
03:13:46
When you consider this with our real estate tax relief program, we serve over a thousand families.
03:13:52
One of the things I know the mayor wanted me to talk about was some of the outreach work that we do.
03:13:57
We do a really deep dive on this.
03:14:03
We identify every single parcel in the city that is valued less than the threshold, in this case $375,000, and we literally send a letter to every homeowner who is not already in the real estate tax relief program.
03:14:20
So literally everyone should get a letter about this if they own a parcel that qualifies in the city.
03:14:26
We also run a few ads in the paper over the course of the year.
03:14:30
We have flyers in the real estate tax bills,
03:14:33
We do a little social media stuff.
03:14:34
I've recently spoke with Mr. Murphy, your outreach coordinator, and I think he's lining up some things to do.
03:14:43
You know, do a little radio, a little TV here and there.
03:14:47
We try pretty hard to get the word out and I think we do a pretty good job.
03:14:51
That being said,
03:14:55
Do you guys have any questions?
03:14:56
You can be here late.
SPEAKER_10
03:14:58
We're not going to be here late, don't say that.
SPEAKER_11
03:15:00
And I believe we talked a lot about this during the budget session, so I'm ready to...
Nikuyah Walker
03:15:05
I'm good, I'm ready to... Oh, I have...
03:15:09
I'm just...
03:15:10
Yo, you was about to get it.
SPEAKER_26
03:15:13
You was about to get it.
03:15:14
This is all the stuff we talked about in the budget, so I hope it's right.
Nikuyah Walker
03:15:18
I'm joking.
Todd Divers
03:15:20
So anyway, I hope I answered some questions.
Nikuyah Walker
03:15:22
Yes, you did.
03:15:22
Thank you so much.
03:15:23
OK, so any additional questions?
03:15:27
No?
SPEAKER_11
03:15:28
All right.
03:15:28
Is there a motion?
03:15:29
I move that we adopt an ordinance to establish a grant program to promote and preserve home ownership by low and moderate income persons within the city of Charlottesville.
SPEAKER_10
03:15:38
Second.
Nikuyah Walker
03:15:40
Any further discussion?
03:15:42
All right, please vote.
Todd Divers
03:15:43
All right.
03:15:44
Thank you all.
Nikuyah Walker
03:15:45
Thank you.
03:15:46
Next, we have a resolution to support federal legislation for a carbon fee and evident policy to address climate change, first to one reading.
SPEAKER_34
03:16:11
Good evening.
03:16:18
So this resolution is in support of federal congressional action to adopt legislation at the federal level for a carbon fee and dividend policy to adjust climate change.
03:16:29
A carbon fee is one of two leading economic approaches for placing a price on carbon to then bring its social costs that are currently seen as externalities into what the price point is in the market.
03:16:39
The other leading approach to doing this is cap and trade programs.
03:16:44
RGGI, which council has supported for a number of years, most recently in its 2019 legislative packet up to the General Assembly for Virginia, supported the RGGI.
03:16:56
In terms of looking at what the impact can be of having this adopted at a federal level, economists, depending on what their slant is, tend to prefer either the cap and trade model or the carbon model.
03:17:08
But there is, sorry, a carbon fee model.
03:17:11
But across the board, there's understanding that both of them can be effective in terms of moving the markets towards pricing carbon effectively.
03:17:19
When you start looking at a carbon fee model, what ends up happening is you have a revenue mechanism that ends up collecting fees in from that carbon.
03:17:28
The big question there is what happens with those.
03:17:30
And again, amongst economists, there's different approaches in terms of how to best use those funds that have been derived.
03:17:36
What's currently being looked at at the federal level is where it becomes a direct payment back to households across the country.
03:17:43
And so in this way, it's something that our households feel directly.
03:17:47
The way that they have it structured is it's on a per capita per household, the way that the money gets distributed.
03:17:54
And what they are looking at is different ways that it can actually be distributed monthly.
03:17:59
So in terms of what this impacts, back in November I was in front of you and shared some data that came out of our 2016 greenhouse gas inventory.
03:18:08
What we saw at that point were some significant reductions in terms of the carbon from City of Charlottesville, not just us as an organization, but community-wide on our electricity sector.
03:18:20
Those reductions were paired with an actual increase in the consumption of electricity during that period.
03:18:27
So the way that we end up consuming more electricity, but
03:18:30
having the equivalent reduction in carbon is because during that same time period Dominion changed its fuel source to something that was a lower carbon fuel source.
03:18:39
They started closing down their coal plants and instead they switched over to natural gas.
03:18:44
What these mechanisms, whether you're looking at RGGI or you're looking at a carbon fee, what happens is it brings that price point into businesses like that, that then creates competition in the market for them to actually have fuel sources that are lower in carbon be the more economical choice.
03:19:00
What that means in terms of Charlottesville and its carbon reduction goals is what we do on a day-to-day basis, similar to what we saw in the 2016 inventory, that doesn't necessarily change.
03:19:10
But the impacts that we're having environmentally, the impacts that we're having on the carbon that's getting released, that changes around us.
03:19:17
So looking specifically at what this is, RGGI, which would be if it's implemented at the state level, that has a narrower scope on it, that would impact 43% of the city's emissions profile.
03:19:29
A carbon fee and dividend policy at the federal level would impact 90% of what we have of our carbon emissions profile.
03:19:37
What this is structured as, particularly with the dividend and the way that they're proposing to reallocate those funds directly back to American households ends up benefiting city residents, including our lower income households.
03:19:48
By activating different market mechanisms, I already spoke about how that then changes the context around us of what we're doing.
03:19:55
But additionally, as was mentioned earlier, we have a host of renewable energy companies here locally.
03:20:00
Those are lower carbon fuel sources.
03:20:02
So it starts to stimulate that economic activity and their development and growth.
03:20:08
When we look at what Charlottesville has been in terms of a leader of supporting policies like these on the citizen climate lobby website, there's 130 US municipalities and states that have adopted resolutions in favor of a carbon fee and dividend policy.
03:20:23
And so if Charlottesville does this, it's similar to what Charlottesville's stance was with Reggie at the state level, but at this point it's supporting those policies federally.
03:20:33
So the resolution before you is in support of not a specific type of legislation or a specific bill at the federal level, but it is a resolution in support of having an annual fee, an annual carbon fee.
03:20:46
It is in support of the dividends being returned back to households and being done with, I want to make sure I read it correctly, a progressive incidence.
03:20:53
That's the economic term that is how that gets structured out so that it benefits what our households and our residences are.
03:21:00
And it also includes something that speaks about imports and exports so that our businesses as a whole of the country don't become negatively impacted by this if we're trading with partners that do not have those same type of policies in place.
03:21:16
Yeah, that's all I have to say right now.
SPEAKER_42
03:21:21
So I had a, I'm a huge supporter of this as probably the best federal mechanism to actually address the problem the best way.
03:21:31
I had a kind of killjoy annoying procedural concern which you sort of addressed a little bit but I wanted to ask about it which is if this council were to make a habit of talking about
03:21:44
compelling critical federal policy all the time we would be, that could crowd out large parts of our agenda because there's healthcare and minimum wage and social safety and I mean there's a lot of stuff that we get past resolutions about and talk about them and I wanted to try and understand what's the
03:22:04
limiting principle for like here why are we why would we do this now and or is there something special that we're gonna do with this like we make sure that it gets into the hands of the two senators and Congressman Riggleman and really that they understand that Charlottesville has stepped into this that we really want this as a municipality we're trying to but like what I mean just to talk through a little bit if somebody comes to us they say we need you
03:22:29
stepping forth on the need for a more complete federal health care bill.
03:22:34
Why don't we debate that and pass a resolution on that also?
03:22:39
Why don't we, I mean, I could go through 12 other issues.
Nikuyah Walker
03:22:43
Does that mean?
SPEAKER_42
03:22:44
Yes, that's my question.
Nikuyah Walker
03:22:46
No, I'm saying health care, you're just using that as an example.
SPEAKER_42
03:22:49
Minimum wage, I mean, you could talk about infrastructure policy, I could talk about, I mean,
03:22:53
go through cancer research.
03:22:55
I mean, you could go through lots of federal issues that would impact us as a city that we could be talking about here and passing resolutions about.
SPEAKER_11
03:23:04
I don't know if this is a question, or usually we have a debate after a motion's been made, so I'm not sure about the procedure right now.
03:23:14
Well, it's a question.
03:23:16
It's a question.
03:23:17
Yeah, this is a question.
SPEAKER_34
03:23:19
So I think there's probably a variety of different perspectives to take on that.
03:23:24
One, and I think it's part of what you're getting at, is what should Council's time be put towards?
03:23:30
If there are an infinite number of policies and positions that Council wants to support,
03:23:36
Our meetings could very quickly end up stretching out to do all those.
03:23:40
For this one in particular, I would reference a couple of different points.
03:23:44
One of which that this was actually brought forward by residents in our area in terms of for council to endorse this.
03:23:53
We have endorsed Reggie before as a city, and so this follows suit on that same track.
03:23:58
There is legislation in Congress right now that has
03:24:01
by party support.
03:24:04
And in addition, I would say I'd reference these are kind of part one and part two of the same sort of side of the coin.
03:24:10
When Charlottesville looks at what its reduction goals are, they're the things that Charlottesville can do within its own city borders.
03:24:19
The potential for something like this to be able to affect and change the context and the opportunities around us to affect 90% of that is, it's huge.
03:24:29
So to be able to support policies that can have that effect that are not within our control but to be able to signal and to stand with other communities to speak to our federal level and say this is where we are, I think that does carry meaning.
03:24:41
The other piece that I would say is that part two of that side of the coin is
03:24:46
The report that came out from the IPCC, which will be a little bit talked about more later, but also is talked about by the public earlier, that came out in October, made very clear what the environmental and climate crisis is that we're facing.
03:25:00
And also that we have a ten year timeline to make some significant changes, not just at a city level, but at a much larger level.
03:25:09
the role that this country plays and what those signals are to the world is a huge piece of that as well.
03:25:15
And so I think any, I would suspect in, you know, you need someone to go back and look through previous motions and meetings to say what are those issues that have risen to the top that make that the thing that council for that meeting addresses as its policy.
03:25:30
But that urgency and that very clear motivating message I would say is why this one is coming at this point in time.
Nikuyah Walker
03:25:41
All right, any other questions?
SPEAKER_11
03:25:45
I just want to say thank you very much.
03:25:47
It was a very good presentation.
03:25:50
Thank you.
03:25:52
Is there a motion?
03:25:53
I move that we adopt a resolution in support of federal congressional action to adopt legislation for a carbon fee and dividend policy to address climate change.
03:26:02
Second.
03:26:04
All I would like to say is the person that originated is that I think there's even more of a sense of urgency now since the regional greenhouse gas emissions initiative has been vetoed by the, well,
03:26:20
Governor Northam did not exercise his line item veto power to remove a line in the budget that was prohibiting Virginia from being a part of RGGI.
03:26:30
And that's in conflict with what the air commission recommended that Virginia do join a regional cap and trade program.
03:26:40
So that now is still off the table because Governor Northam did not exercise his right to do a line item veto.
03:26:50
To me, that makes this even more urgent and applicable to the fact that the climate crisis does not have a border that ends at our 10 square miles.
03:27:03
It is the very kind of thing that we must be in partnership with multiple communities, multiple states.
03:27:10
And that's why this is, in my mind, appropriate that we pursue this right now.
Nikuyah Walker
03:27:18
All right, any other comments?
03:27:20
All right.
03:27:23
There's a vote, so please vote.
03:27:29
All right, so that carries five to zero.
03:27:36
Next, we have support of key focus areas to address in the city of Charlottesville climate action plan, first of one reading.
SPEAKER_34
03:27:50
Thanks.
03:27:50
So that's me again.
03:27:54
So I just referenced a minute ago that I was here back in November, right around when the IPCC brought their report out.
03:28:02
As a reminder, back in June in 2017, City Council committed to the Global Covenant of Mayors on energy and sustainability.
03:28:12
And that was part of the City Council's response to the US withdrawal from the Paris Climate Agreement.
03:28:19
As part of the Compact of Mayors, it is structured that there are three different phases to it, each with a one year timeline.
03:28:28
The first phase was updating our greenhouse gas inventory, which is what I brought here in November to share with you that data.
03:28:35
We are now in phase two, which is to set a new greenhouse gas reduction target.
03:28:41
What we had looked at back in 2011, the city has actually surpassed, so this is timely for a couple of different reasons.
03:28:48
In addition, coming on the heels of what we've heard with the IPCC report, what they are seeing in terms of climate
03:28:55
data of what the changes are we're seeing ecologically and what the rate and pace of those changes are.
03:29:01
It also puts a good context around what it is that we're trying to address.
03:29:06
What we set out was an opportunity for the public to provide input during a part one public input period on what we should do as a reduction goal.
03:29:17
During that period, we had three different things available as avenues for residents to speak to us.
03:29:24
One was on the city's website.
03:29:25
We put a questionnaire where we asked questions about how did they want these structured.
03:29:31
When you get into setting climate reduction goals, you can get very, very in the weeds and very technical.
03:29:35
And so we structured these questions to be more about what were the type of things that people wanted to see in this.
03:29:43
How did they want us to spread those reductions?
03:29:46
How did they see Charlottesville as a leader and how important was that to them in how we set our goal?
03:29:52
We actually concurrently during this period UVA is undergoing an effort to set a new reduction goal and to update its climate action plans and the county of Albemarle as well.
03:30:02
All three organizations came together to work on our community engagement.
03:30:06
We set up a joint website called climateactiontogether.org.
03:30:10
And on there we tell the back story of what each organization is doing, what we're each trying to achieve.
03:30:15
And we're trying to use that as a platform to have a centralized place where people want to get involved in these conversations.
03:30:21
They can go there and then link to the individual websites about specific initiatives or programs.
03:30:27
Additionally, people could email us with what they want as their input and a number of our community groups actually took that and started reaching out to try to gather signatures and work with our business community and work with our local schools to understand what did they want
03:30:43
for the city to look at when it's setting its reduction goals.
03:30:47
And then they package those into letters that were then brought to you all on I believe it was the March 18th meeting.
03:30:54
So during that period, we had our we tried to
03:30:58
kind of coalesce all the comments and input so that we could have a discrete understanding of what was being provided into this process.
03:31:05
So that was from February 14th through March 17th.
03:31:09
In attachments to your council memo is every single piece of input that we received.
03:31:14
So every response that we received to the questionnaire, including the open comment fields, any letters that we received in, all the signatures that are with those.
03:31:23
All of that is in your attachments.
03:31:26
As a summary of what we heard from the community, we heard that it was very important to our community that we have goal alignment between the county of Albemarle, University of Virginia, and the city of Charlottesville.
03:31:39
When our residents think about Charlottesville, they don't look at it necessarily as stopping at that jurisdictional border.
03:31:45
They're looking at what the services are in their day to day experience, and they want to see that cohesion and cooperation regionally.
03:31:52
They understood and referenced what the IPCC had reported out in the fall.
03:31:58
And over 90% of respondents thought it was very important or important that the city's reduction goal reflect what the IPCC reported back in the fall.
03:32:08
They want to see Charlottesville as a leader, both within our state and our country, and then a little bit lower but still important within the world.
03:32:17
They want us to have interim targets as well as our overall goal.
03:32:20
In terms of how do we pace our reductions, if we offered the idea of if we have a 30 year target, do they want us to have even reductions across all of those 30 years?
03:32:30
Or do they want us to front load and have significant reductions at the front or significant reductions in the back?
03:32:36
Some of this speaks to what are expectations of what do we need to achieve?
03:32:39
Some of this also speaks to what is the believability of what can we achieve?
03:32:46
And what we heard back was that they wanted us to front load it.
03:32:49
They want to see steep reductions on the beginning of our goal and then accomplish the rest after that.
03:32:57
In terms of identification of sub-goals, they want to see that amongst both our individual sectors within there, but also across our strategies.
03:33:04
So that means when we move into our phase three of our planning, which is what comes after we set this target, they want us to be identifying goals around what are we doing on a renewable energy?
03:33:13
What are we doing in terms of efficiency?
03:33:15
What are we doing in conservation?
03:33:16
What are we doing in terms of our commercial sector, our residential sector?
03:33:19
And they want us to segment all those out as best as we can with what we're doing with our plan.
03:33:24
And what I've heard in talking anecdotally to people is they want us to do that so that we have something that is measurable and something they can anticipate and something that's actional and clear of what we're going to be trying to achieve.
03:33:36
We added a question in there about addressing equity and how clearly did they want equity to be addressed in our planning process.
03:33:43
Overwhelmingly, the response was that our residents didn't want it to just be one of a mix of strategies.
03:33:48
They want us to very clearly say, this is how this strategy addresses equity.
03:33:52
This is how this approach addresses equity.
03:33:54
These are the challenges that we've inherited from our built environment over the years, and these are how we're going to try to address those in this.
03:34:03
In terms of looking at measurements and accountability, and it was spoken to earlier, not just waiting until we're at the point of our goal to measure it, but having actual milestones and steps along the way where we can check in and see how much success are we having yet.
03:34:18
And in addition, the focus on recognizing that all of this isn't going to happen by waving some sort of a magical fairy wand.
03:34:25
We need to start looking at what are the investments with this, and not just looking at what comes out of the city's revenues, but what is out there in the private sector.
03:34:33
What is there in our financial institutions?
03:34:36
And how can we start putting structures into place that take these technologies that while they may have a high upfront cost,
03:34:43
over the lifetime they pay themselves back more than one time.
03:34:46
So how can we better align that with financial institutions and revenue, or sorry, with funds that are available so that those then handshake and make it easier for our residents and businesses to actually be able to make these investments and start reaping those benefits up front.
03:35:01
So what this means in terms of where this staff's draft goal, recommendations for a draft goal is, is that these are in line with what the IPC put out for targeting
03:35:13
a limit of a 1.5 increase.
03:35:17
What they recommend targeting for that is a 45% emissions reduction by 2030 and then a carbon neutrality by 2050.
03:35:28
In terms of all those different feedback points that I just shared, pretty much all of them align with that.
03:35:37
In terms of pacing our reductions and getting a bigger increase up front,
03:35:43
45% and then carbon neutrality doesn't quite match that, but it does give us an interim point.
03:35:48
And so I would suggest, and I'm laying it out for discussion, on the idea that what we do adopt has that 45% by 2030, but that there's also a spirit that if we see opportunities to exceed that, that there is an embrace of that and an interest in not just meeting those goals, but trying to achieve more than that if we can, because we know that carbon neutral is coming further after it.
03:36:11
In addition of looking at different sub-goals, we're going to have to go into our phase three, which is what comes after our target.
03:36:18
That would be by this time next year is when we would want to have a draft climate action plan.
03:36:24
And looking at, once we identify what those strategies are, what makes sense in terms of more refined sub-goals than just the two part of 2030 and 2050.
03:36:36
In terms of addressing equity, I think that is a conversation that, as we heard earlier tonight, there are a lot of different pieces to it.
03:36:43
And there are other communities that have been looking at how do you bring equity into these conversations around climate action.
03:36:49
I think it's something that knowing that our community wants us to address it at this level of specificity helps direct staff's efforts of how we are going to structure the development of our climate action plan over the coming months.
03:37:01
I included in your council memo a couple of points.
03:37:04
One of which, when you look at low income households, they dedicate up to three times as a percentage more income to their energy costs than to others.
03:37:13
Which means that for them, when they're looking at something that money is already scarce, a larger percentage of that is having to go just to pay your utility bills.
03:37:20
When we start translating that into what does that mean in our climate action plan,
03:37:24
We're not just looking at how are we addressing our carbon reductions, but we're addressing how can we improve what that quality of experience is for those residents.
03:37:33
Because if they're spending $400 a month on what their bills are for a small house,
03:37:38
That's money they're not able to spend on other things for their families.
03:37:42
That also means that their quality of experience in that home is likely not that enjoyable.
03:37:47
When it's cold out, they're cold.
03:37:49
When it's hot out and it's humid, they're inside their home is hot and humid.
03:37:53
Naseevo had an article about three weeks ago and
03:37:58
Small segments that they had in there was one of our local families that has had improvements on their home and the quote that they had in there that referenced the reduction in their energy bills but the majority of what they referenced was that their home stays warm when they heat it and it stays cool in the summer and that's to them what when I talk about how can we bring
03:38:18
equity and how can we improve the quality of life through these climate action strategies, I'm seeing those environmental benefits.
03:38:25
I'm seeing what those energy benefits are.
03:38:27
But for a lot of our residents, it's that day to day experience on what do they use that energy for.
03:38:32
And how can they accomplish something better for less and also contribute to the environmental benefits with it.
03:38:39
And so I think those are the sort of pieces that as we start moving forward we need to make sure we're weaving that into our climate action plan in terms of how do we talk about our strategies that we're bringing in these multifaceted pieces that reflect core values that echo across lots of different initiatives that we have as a community and as a city.
03:38:58
Moving through to not just the draft recommendations that are before you, if you have comments today on that, there's also a resolution.
03:39:06
And that resolution has four key focus areas.
03:39:10
This is not meant to encompass the totality of what our climate action plan would look at.
03:39:15
These are things that we have heard from our community members.
03:39:19
And so we were including them here because staff agrees with them.
03:39:22
and we wanted to provide the opportunity for that to be affirmed for our community members that they are being heard and that they have every reason to believe that these topics will be included in what comes out as their climate action plan.
03:39:34
Additionally, these are topics that in order for us to have a realistic conversation and actually get down to talking about what are these strategies, what are these impacts, what's feasible for us to include in an action plan, staff is going to have to do some advanced research.
03:39:49
which means we're going to be looking at deploying our time, deploying some resources, and also working with partners inside and outside of our organization to be able to look at and understand what context are we talking about to then be able to bring that into our climate action plan.
03:40:04
And so before we do that, we wanted to put it before you all and get that confirmation, get any sort of feedback on that that's where we should be putting these resources, that these are topics that are expected to be addressed when we bring together our climate action plan.
03:40:20
So moving forward for now, there's time for you all to discuss it.
03:40:24
In addition to that, we're opening up a second public comment period that will go through the end of this month through May 31st for you all or anybody else in the public who wants to provide feedback on our draft recommendations.
03:40:36
And then we will bring those package all that up into another council memo for you all with all of that as attachments And the goal would be to bring that before you on the July 1st meeting as a proposal for adoption of a new reduction target And that would be before our next reporting deadline, which is July 10th for the covenant of mayors in terms of updating them on our progress.
Nikuyah Walker
03:41:00
So the, um, I have a question.
03:41:03
Just when you all make recommendations, um, to the city La Seon, um, fleet, um, then what happens after that?
03:41:15
When you say when we make recommendations.
03:41:17
So you made recommendations for how to reduce the carbon footprint based on let's say electric buses.
03:41:25
The city will then do what with that?
03:41:27
I'm just trying to figure out like after the recommendations are made what happens after that point with what's being recommended.
SPEAKER_34
03:41:36
Yeah so I think that one of the first parts with it is starting to look at just doing a feasibility understanding.
03:41:42
The technology has been developing
03:41:44
and looking at how our actual usage is, the actual deployment of our buses in terms of when are they making stops, when are they available to charge, how many miles are they traveling in the course of a day.
03:41:54
And once we have a sense of what that means, looking at a 10 or 30 year climate action plan, it would then be looking at, well, what are those replacement schedules?
03:42:04
What's the potential cost impact?
03:42:07
Currently, there are resources with partners to help us do that analysis right now that we're a place that we're members of.
03:42:13
The state through the VW settlement funds has put out and they're going to be announcing, I believe it's next month, localities in Virginia that are going to be replacing buses with electric vehicles.
03:42:23
The federal level has a low no grant which will pay for both the infrastructure and the vehicle replacement fees.
03:42:30
So there's a lot of options and so what comes after?
03:42:33
in part is saying, well, what is the feasibility of the actual practicality of implementing this?
03:42:38
What are the anticipated costs for that?
03:42:40
And then looking at, well, what are the resources and those timelines so that if there's grant opportunities coming up and we know that aligns with the replacement of a vehicle and it's feasible and applicable to have that new technology, we make that part of the conversation.
03:42:55
The other piece of it is that while the technology
03:42:59
I suspect will be applicable for some of our uses at this point.
03:43:03
I suspect there are going to be other uses where it isn't quite there yet.
03:43:06
And so again, looking at a 10 or 30 year type of plan, it would be identifying through that feasibility analysis, what are those gaps?
03:43:14
And why is it that it's not ready right now so that we then can put into our plan
03:43:19
some sort of time point to say, okay, so either when it hits this threshold, we're going to start reengaging on this topic.
03:43:26
Or if we're not sure exactly when it's going to hit that, we can say, well, in three years, we're going to start doing an annual regular review every three years on this topic.
Nikuyah Walker
03:43:38
And then for households and energy improvements, how is it a value
03:43:45
How is it evaluated how much better it is than before?
03:43:50
Because it can be, you know, who is doing doing that work?
SPEAKER_34
03:43:54
Yeah.
03:43:55
So some of that depends on which program by which it goes through.
03:43:59
So what we I'll give you a couple of examples of it.
03:44:03
What we end up pulling in with our greenhouse gas inventory that's at an aggregate level.
03:44:08
So that is looking at the sum of all of our residential accounts all together.
03:44:12
And so if we start seeing a shift across that entire portfolio, it'll start to appear there.
03:44:18
When we're looking at programs that are funded
03:44:22
by the city or partially funded by the city.
03:44:24
And we know the providers.
03:44:26
We have opportunities to see some additional data that's a little bit more refined.
03:44:31
Some of that is things such as blower door tasks in terms of saying how leaky is your home.
03:44:37
Some of it, if you start looking at what the building code is, the city of Charlottesville can't enact anything that is stronger and require anything stronger than what the state offers.
03:44:46
But what the state has adopted is an amended version of the international code, which
03:44:52
Those amendments in the past have actually brought our energy performance back to two or three versions of the older version of the code.
03:44:59
So we have that, that's a standardized code that's out there that if the city was going to be investing in funds, we could say, or investing in building, we could say, well, this is what the state says, but if you want these additional funds or you're building these things for us, we want you to meet this actually international code.
03:45:15
This is the standard.
SPEAKER_11
03:45:19
Any other questions?
03:45:24
Just for later on just to make sure
03:45:29
that I'm not adding is attracting something and making things worse.
03:45:33
But number one, this is a great report.
03:45:37
And and I'm now just speaking about the resolution.
03:45:40
But the the questionnaire results was also pretty stunning.
03:45:44
How resoundingly clear the public wants to make sure that we are a leader in sustainability.
03:45:52
But there was a comment from the questionnaire that really stuck out for me, and it was one of the comments was, finally, improving urban mobility is the most cost-effective carbon reduction action available, largely due to the associated benefits from improved health outcomes, air quality improvements, physical fitness, associated with increased walking, biking, etc.
03:46:13
the city should commit to an overhaul of urban mobility, improving transit options to the extent that density allows and road dies to allow for safer and more frequent pedestrian bicycle trips.
03:46:24
That was echoed in several comments.
03:46:28
But when I look at your four directions, that doesn't pop out clearly to me.
03:46:35
And in your whereas is like it wasn't like the streets that work wasn't referenced.
03:46:40
So I'm just asking you
03:46:43
It would be better to put a little language in there to make sure it was, I underscored that this transportation mode shift and choice matters a lot for sustainability.
03:47:00
And one of the whereases does mention mode shift, which is having the
03:47:06
multiple modes like walking, cycling, and taking the bus.
03:47:09
But I guess this is just your professional opinion.
03:47:12
Are you getting enough direction that you know that we want you to focus on the transportation sector and with what you've written as your resolution or should we add something else?
SPEAKER_34
03:47:25
So that whereas that you're referencing where it kind of speaks to the I don't want to say smorgasbord because I feel like that diminishes it but the wide range of different transportation strategies That was partially included to acknowledge that there are a lot of different types of strategies that all tie into transportation
03:47:43
In terms of what the city has adopted around streets that work, its bicycle pedestrian plan, what's gone up to the MPO area, I feel like there's direction, at least for me, similarly with comprehensive plan, that that is all stuff that will be looked at when we go into phase three.
03:47:58
However, if it's something that council feels like they want to put a little bit of a finer point on, I don't have objection to adding it into this resolution, specifically with
03:48:07
the new technology of integration of zero-admission vehicles and supporting that transition in the community.
03:48:16
That's where I think there's a little bit more study and research that has not yet been done.
03:48:20
And so that's why that was included in this resolution.
03:48:24
But this resolution is not meant to be all-encompassing or just in the actual development of a climate action plan.
SPEAKER_18
03:48:37
And again this phase here is just to help give you all guidance on where you can kind of parallel path kind of moving forward and then again so you're saying it's the July date is when there's more of a formal support for those goals.
03:48:51
I'm just trying to understand how all these moving parts are fitting together because ultimately then we're going to see very discrete actionable things that can be done over the course of a long period of time so just trying to get a sense for
SPEAKER_34
03:49:02
Yeah, OK.
03:49:03
So as part of phase two, we're setting a target.
03:49:07
After we finish setting a target, we're going to move into the development of a climate action plan.
03:49:11
So in terms of the recommendation or the draft recommendations for our target, that's based on what we've heard from the community.
03:49:18
We wanted to bring it back to you all and also to allow a second public comment period before we brought a final proposal for adoption.
03:49:25
So that's one track.
03:49:27
The other piece with the resolution is starting to aim at is looking ahead to
03:49:32
When we get to that development of the Climate Action Plan, there's some things that we've been hearing consistently from the community.
03:49:37
They want involved in that.
03:49:40
And that there's also things that staff would really need to prepare more information for to be able to effectively address it.
03:49:47
So we're trying to kind of front load a couple of those things now to acknowledge whether we've heard from the community and to give staff direction to prepare for phase three, but not yet.
03:49:56
Jump into the planning development part.
SPEAKER_18
03:50:00
And there's really a lot of interest.
03:50:01
There's a lot of groups, and I'm still having my head spin trying to keep up with how everyone is organizing themselves.
03:50:06
But if there's a time where we should be tapping our local community, this is it.
03:50:10
And so what is your strategy for how you kind of maneuver the complexities of all of them and more?
Nikuyah Walker
03:50:17
And I'll just add before you answer that back to looking at programs and initiatives of the city through an equity lens.
03:50:28
I know when you start even talking about modes of transportation, if I had to rely on public transportation and not because it doesn't function that well, but because I have almost no time flexibility, then it wouldn't work for me to be able to get family
03:50:46
So just I would, you know,
03:50:58
Hopefully we're getting a wide range before we start making some of these presentations because we have to also understand the limitations that you know certain people within the community will have on this working for them and possibly not against them and hopefully that
03:51:22
taking in consideration.
03:51:23
And I fully understand that if the earth isn't, if we are wiped out, that that won't matter.
03:51:28
But while we're here, we would need to make sure that, you know, people are you know, that when we are recommending these policies that we're understanding that, you know, it wouldn't mean the same thing for someone who needs to get three.
03:51:47
Children somewhere to be able to bike.
03:51:51
Or if you have to make five stops within 30 minutes, then the bus isn't necessarily going to work for you.
03:51:59
So the holistic look at someone working two jobs.
03:52:07
you know three kids I'm just thinking about my life right now it would have been very hard and has been for me to use alternatives to you know transportation so
SPEAKER_34
03:52:18
Yeah, I mean, anytime you're talking about a behavior change aspect, you know, and that was one thing that I brought up before the carbon fee is it changes the environment around us, but we don't necessarily have to change the choices that we're doing.
03:52:30
When you start talking about behavior change, what that time is, how much of a hassle is it for somebody to either learn that new behavior or just that planning thing like
03:52:39
I don't have enough time to do this.
03:52:40
I can't take all these extra pieces into consideration.
03:52:43
That's, I would say, probably one of the most precious resources on that is, what's that time factor?
03:52:50
When you're looking at how do you do a plan for a whole community, how do you do it over 10, 30 years, there's not going to be one silver bullet.
03:52:57
It's going to have to have a lot of different ways, and I hope that that becomes part of the conversations, is looking at how do you move parts of the community, how do you move parts in.
03:53:08
And I think visually that really represents that there isn't one size fits all and you do need to have that plethora of options and really think about
03:53:29
you know maybe for like your household kids you know there's different options you have than what I have and some of that's going to be geographic based some of that goes into what are we doing with our land use and our zoning you know if you have to make five stops in 30 minutes and they're in different parts of the city
03:53:43
That's more challenging than if they're all co-located right in the same area.
03:53:47
And so that's part of a conversation.
03:53:49
Going partly to what you brought up of what does that look like moving forward, some of that is still being sorted out on how do we start bringing in all these different pieces of the conversation.
03:54:02
Hoping to do is in part build off of what we're seeing the county doing as its outreach and what we're seeing with UVA in terms of how they've effectively been able to handle these pieces of it.
03:54:12
And some of it I think is going to be identifying certain topics around what can we be talking with the community around at this point.
03:54:21
And then really try to bring in those different lines of conversation, but also doing some of that advanced research to tap
03:54:27
What is the expertise we already have here?
03:54:30
One of the things I brought up in the fall was in terms of how realistic is it for us to expect these sort of carbon reductions?
03:54:37
Then if you start looking at things like in the solar industry and how costs have come down, but also how you still have a single solar panel and what that panel will produce today than what a panel that was produced 10 years ago will produce are very different because the technology has advanced.
03:54:53
And so how do we bring these anecdotes in so that
03:54:55
It might not be exactly what we're going to, we can't necessarily predict what we're going to have as technology in 10 or 20 years from now, but at least speaks to what's possible so that we can then talk about strategies and also how do we build an iterative model into our plan that we can keep bringing these new opportunities in.
SPEAKER_18
03:55:12
I just think it's really important that we do tap all of the energy, no pun intended, but and like just you know both there's will currently here and there's a lot of folks who have just dedicated themselves both their professional and personal lives to this charge and I just even even selfishly speaking it does help us to know that you're coordinating with that because I've gotten you know we've getting I know Councillor Galvin I've had three different meetings or maybe half a dozen meetings with different groups and I'm just having trouble even just making sure that we're all
03:55:39
chucking along to the same progress and so it's just helpful to understand what strategies are being taken to engage these organized groups especially in a meaningful way to ensure that we are all kind of pressing on.
SPEAKER_34
03:55:51
I would say one thing is it ends up I feel like always this blessing and a curse that by having something that's still kind of in the molding and that has some flexibility it allows us that as we hear what's effective or we hear things that aren't effective we can adjust and take that into account.
03:56:07
One of the things which I've heard from you just now, but also from others, is that within the environmental groups that are focused on climate, they've also come together, or a number of them have come together in a coalition, which then helps with that communication through.
03:56:22
And so it helps with us to be able to have a point of contact to say, OK, this is what we're doing.
03:56:27
They can field all those questions and then bring them to us, and then they can
SPEAKER_18
03:56:30
I agree, but I also feel like a couple more popped up even after that, so I'm just, you know, even when we're trying to explain where some of the sources of these requests are coming from, it's just helpful to have as much streamlining as possible.
03:56:42
I think everyone has their own goals.
SPEAKER_34
03:56:44
Yeah, and I think if community groups in different focus areas can see that as a useful model, similar to on many of our committees where we end up with chairs that represent different topic areas,
03:56:57
There may be some of these strategy groups that make sense to do that, where then it's somebody who's kind of the coalition point of contact that coordinates within their coalition, but then it's part of a smaller conversation so that, you know, if you're doing a working group, you have a working group, not, you know, a room this size trying to do a working group.
03:57:15
Okay.
03:57:16
So is there a motion?
SPEAKER_10
03:57:17
So moved.
SPEAKER_11
03:57:19
and if I may just make one comment I have no amendment but if for the record if it could just be stated that it is my it is our understanding that the work of the Regional Transit Partnership by PED plan and the Streets to Org plan will also be factored into the criteria for moving forward with this resolution.
Nikuyah Walker
03:57:47
All right, so there was a second?
03:57:51
Yeah, it's been seconded.
03:57:52
All right, please vote.
03:57:55
All right, Curry's five to zero.
SPEAKER_22
03:57:57
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:57:57
Thank you.
03:58:01
All right, so we're going to take a break and come back at 11.
SPEAKER_18
03:58:05
So make sure.
03:58:05
I swear, we really need to come back at 11.
03:58:07
Like, for real people, 11, please.
SPEAKER_10
03:58:12
Calm down.
03:58:13
It was like 25 minutes last time.
SPEAKER_18
03:58:15
I got babysitter.
SPEAKER_22
03:58:22
Now we have the
Nikuyah Walker
03:58:51
Requests for approval for the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority to establish the Charlottesville Community Development Corporation, first the one reading.
SPEAKER_10
03:59:03
Mayor Walker, while Mr. Duffield is coming up, I'd like to just make a very short announcement.
03:59:07
I forgot to say this earlier, specifically for the housing authority and for all of her honor and valor.
03:59:14
Can we give a happy birthday to the honorable Ms. Joy Johnson?
03:59:19
Can we give her a round of applause for her birthday?
Nikuyah Walker
03:59:21
Happy birthday to you.
SPEAKER_10
03:59:25
Led by Brandon Collins on the G note, go ahead.
03:59:30
It's like an F note.
03:59:34
I don't know what that is.
03:59:38
Happy birthday to you.
SPEAKER_13
03:59:44
Thank you.
SPEAKER_10
03:59:47
Thank you, Mayor.
03:59:48
What?
SPEAKER_13
03:59:50
Yeah, I told you not to do that.
SPEAKER_10
03:59:52
What's this?
03:59:52
When do I listen?
03:59:53
There you go.
SPEAKER_30
03:59:58
Chair Walker, Members of Council, this evening before you, you have an item requesting approval to create the CC
04:00:20
Redevelopment Corporation.
04:00:22
This request comes on behalf of the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority Board of Commissioners and is a request that will enable CRHA to create the legal entity needed to house and further our tax credit
04:00:48
efforts under Virginia code were required to have a separate instrumentality to receive tax credit funding.
04:01:02
The nature of the instrumentality needs to be a four-stock corporation.
04:01:09
The existing Charlottesville, I'm sorry, the existing community development corporation under the housing authority is not a four-stock
04:01:19
Corporation.
04:01:20
Other than that change, the two entities will be structured identically and CRHA requires your favorable consideration this evening of this request.
Nikuyah Walker
04:01:40
And I do have one question that, where's my question?
04:01:50
Riverbend, they are helping to, I guess, just get the legal measures in place, but that'll be, will that be it?
04:01:59
In terms of will they have a?
SPEAKER_30
04:02:01
Oh no, they will have no vested interest in the corporation at all.
04:02:06
No, that's an excellent question, right?
SPEAKER_18
04:02:09
That was my only question.
04:02:10
And I was just confused.
04:02:12
Something came across and I'm moving from Braden, but, um, is it, does it have to be, I'm not going to modify this tonight anyway.
04:02:19
I'm just asking that and going forward, does this,
04:02:23
Does this corporation have to always mirror the CRHA membership?
04:02:28
I asked a question for, I guess, you or Mr. Blair.
04:02:30
I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_30
04:02:31
From what I understand, there is a requirement to have the membership mirror because the community development corporation will hold real estate assets on behalf of CRHA.
04:02:47
Should, for some reason, the projects themselves not come to fulfillment,
04:02:53
CRHA needs to be able to reabsorb the real estate asset.
04:02:59
I'm turning to my legal counsel here, Counselor Norris.
04:03:06
Would you mind joining me, please?
04:03:08
The questions are getting tougher.
SPEAKER_18
04:03:10
Did my legal counsel have anything to weigh in on that?
SPEAKER_43
04:03:15
And that's essentially correct.
04:03:17
As Mr. Duffield said, if it's an instrumentality with a mirror board, then the assets of that instrumentality automatically revert to the housing authority.
04:03:25
If it's not a mirror board, then they don't necessarily automatically revert to the housing authority.
04:03:30
And it's very important for the housing authority to maintain ultimate control of those assets.
John Blair
04:03:39
And that is accurate.
04:03:43
If you want the assets of the Community Development Corporation to revert back to CRHA, if the Development Corporation dissolves in some way, that would automatically allow those assets to be transferred to the Redevelopment and Housing Authority.
SPEAKER_18
04:04:04
The only reason I ask is just because there might be just some skill sets that might be beneficial for just more of this focus than wanting to be part of that broader organization, but I just wanted to understand what flexibility there was.
SPEAKER_43
04:04:15
And those skill sets are certainly represented on our broader development team that River Band and the Housing Authority and FAR have assembled.
04:04:23
We have a broad range of players on that team.
SPEAKER_18
04:04:26
Right, but they aren't going to be formally on this team.
04:04:29
Okay.
SPEAKER_11
04:04:31
I do have a question.
04:04:32
I'm not sure if I can phrase it right.
04:04:38
Can the Housing Authority and the CDC both float bonds, or is it just the authority that can float bonds and then the authority could then give that resource to the CDC to operate?
SPEAKER_30
04:04:54
I believe that's correct.
04:04:56
I don't believe the CDC has the statutory authority to float a bond issue.
John Blair
04:05:02
They do not.
SPEAKER_30
04:05:03
Right.
SPEAKER_11
04:05:04
But an authority does.
SPEAKER_30
04:05:05
Yes.
SPEAKER_11
04:05:08
And that's, I can see that that's why another, that's another benefit of this mirror kind of arrangement.
04:05:19
and you don't see you think you need, because one other way we could have, you know, to address Vice Mayor Hill's idea would be to give a preference to any future appointments to someone with a development experience or someone with a banking experience.
04:05:38
OK.
04:05:39
But it would be just kind of a preference, but it's not something we could obligate.
John Blair
04:05:44
Correct.
04:05:45
That's the statute itself doesn't enable the council to require or specify that somebody has to be an accountant or a banker.
04:06:00
But certainly when you're making the appointments and taking applications, one individual has to, by
04:06:08
HUD regulation received benefits from the housing authority.
SPEAKER_43
04:06:14
Is it two?
04:06:17
HUD says one.
John Blair
04:06:18
HUD says one, right.
04:06:20
And I was about to get to city says two.
04:06:24
But in terms of the other five members, I believe one has to be a council member for the city charter.
04:06:31
And then the other four are sort of at your discretion.
04:06:35
You can say,
04:06:36
When you take applications, we prefer somebody with banking experience, somebody with development experience.
SPEAKER_11
04:06:49
Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER_26
04:06:50
Thank you.
SPEAKER_22
04:06:57
Okay, any further questions?
SPEAKER_10
04:07:04
I believe it requires.
04:07:06
We can vote.
Nikuyah Walker
04:07:07
Yes.
SPEAKER_10
04:07:08
There's a motion.
04:07:13
I'd like to make a motion that council formally approve the formation of the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority, CRHA, of the Charlottesville Community Development Corporation, CCDC, a non-profit entity.
Nikuyah Walker
04:07:32
Second.
04:07:33
All right, any further discussion?
SPEAKER_10
04:07:36
Nope.
Nikuyah Walker
04:07:36
All right, please vote.
04:07:41
Yay!
Nikuyah Walker
04:07:44
Thank you very much.
04:07:44
That carries five to zero.
04:07:46
Next we have the Charlottesville Supplemental Rental Assistant Program update.
SPEAKER_30
04:08:01
Thank you, Mayor Walker, Members of Council.
04:08:04
This evening I have a brief presentation concerning the CRSA program.
04:08:11
As we prepare and as we begin, I would like to say initially thank you.
04:08:20
Not related to this item, thank you for your support of our tax credit applications recently.
04:08:26
We have received preliminary scoring.
04:08:28
It appears that both
04:08:30
of our projects will be funded, and it's absolutely huge.
04:08:33
It couldn't have happened without the hard work of city staff, particularly NDS staff, in making some very tight deadlines come together.
04:08:43
It just, it's phenomenal.
04:08:46
And certainly your support has been absolutely instrumental in making that happen.
04:08:52
Still have some hurdles to go, but it's a nice start.
SPEAKER_10
04:08:55
Great job, Mr. Duffield, as well as members of FAR, city staff, CRHA staff, and all community partners.
04:09:04
This is absolutely great news that we received in regards to the LaTeX application.
04:09:08
It took a lot of hard work.
04:09:09
We're at the deadline, but you got it done.
04:09:11
So kudos to you all.
SPEAKER_30
04:09:13
Thank you, thank you.
04:09:16
Tonight, before we have a review of the Charlottesville Supplemental Rental Assistance Program, I'm going to walk through some history and spend a few minutes and bring you up to date on where things stand today.
04:09:32
Let's see.
04:09:33
As you Council will likely remember in 2016 the RCL Co created a study on behalf of the city the direction of the hack that among other things requested that led to a request from Council of the hack to the hack.
04:09:54
to come up with a strategy by which five items could be implemented, the top five opportunities that the hack saw to impact affordable housing need in Charlottesville.
04:10:11
One of those recommendations was the creation of a supplemental rental assistance program.
04:10:19
That recommendation came from the HAC in March of 2017 NDS presented the recommendation to Council in May of 2017 The HAC also presented the program concept to Council in July of 2017
04:10:45
and then council in October of 2017 approved the CRSA program and initiated the project.
04:10:56
CRHA and the city finalized a contract in January of 2018.
04:11:06
The initial parameters included $900,000 of funding.
04:11:10
The initial funding agreement specified those funds to be expended within 2018, although the term of the project
04:11:22
ran to June 2019.
04:11:24
25% of the funding is required to be held back as a program reserve.
04:11:36
The concept being that should a future council determine they no longer wish to fund the program,
04:11:41
There would be ample reserve to let the program run out, if you will, and give folks enough time to find other accommodations.
04:11:51
Also involved was a 10% operating reserve to protect against any fluctuations within the rental market and the
04:12:02
The utilization of the program itself had left $607,500 available to the program for operational purposes, $292,500 for total reserve.
04:12:18
Parameters included a requirement obviously to provide assistance only to low income families.
04:12:26
No more than 60% AMI was eligible, and there was a requirement that participants live or work in Charlottesville.
04:12:40
The final piece of the initial parameters were that the program was to mirror CRHA's housing choice, federal housing choice voucher program.
04:12:50
That's broad stroke.
04:12:52
There are nuances involved there, as I'm sure some of you remember in drafting the agreement.
04:13:00
To date, we have served 89 families.
04:13:05
We are currently serving, as of today, we're currently serving 76 families.
04:13:11
Of those, there's 242 people housed
04:13:15
137 children under the age of five, 103 adults, two elderly and two disabled.
04:13:27
On our waiting list, as of today, we have 44 families that are waiting for assistance under the CRSA program.
04:13:40
Funds expended to date
04:13:43
$447,544, that's actually probably not accurate because we just had a May rent run.
04:13:56
Let's see, we have received
04:13:59
Additional funding at the initial time of this presentation, we had $2,000, a little over $2,500 in reserve.
04:14:06
We've since received $150,000 pursuant to the methodology within the grant agreement.
04:14:15
Our monthly rental expenses, $49,875.
04:14:22
We project by June 30, 2019, we'll expend approximately $550,000 on the program since its inception in February of 2018.
04:14:39
Our average rental assistance today is just under $650 per participant per month.
04:14:49
62% of our participants reside within the city of Charlottesville.
04:14:55
The average AMI of participants is 22% of the area median income.
04:15:05
and the median income, not the average, but the median income of participants is a little less than, well, $14,446.
SPEAKER_42
04:15:14
What's up with 62% being in Charlottesville?
SPEAKER_30
04:15:29
Yeah, there is the provision within the grant agreement is that a participant must first search for, attempt to obtain housing within Charlottesville within a 90 day period.
04:15:43
If at the close of that 90 day period they're unable to find housing, there is an option to allow that participant to continue to look in Charlottesville, but also then look in Albemarle County as well.
04:15:57
So that is the, but in those cases where that participant doesn't reside in Charlottesville, they must work in the city of Charlottesville.
04:16:08
There has to be some benefit to the city as a whole.
04:16:16
Let's see.
04:16:17
That's looking forward.
04:16:19
Our projected rental assistance for 2019-20 is about a little less than $700 per month per participant.
04:16:31
Total need, if we maintain 76 families as we are today, total need would be $635,000 approximately.
04:16:44
If we project an increase in the families served, if we move to 100 families, the total need would be $835,000.
04:16:54
All of this is based on what we've seen as a current trend of about 7% increase in costs.
04:17:07
in the coming year versus the current year, just based on the market trend.
04:17:15
What we're requesting is that council allocate the 945,000 that has been budgeted for the program for FY19 and 20.
04:17:29
In so doing, by using 835,000,
04:17:34
for actual operations, create an additional amount that flows to a reserve account that would enable us to fund a four to five month, it would wind down period should the program not be funded in future years.
04:17:51
We'd also ask that council direct staff, CRHA and the HAC to restructure the current CRSA agreement.
04:18:01
per the memo that council has, I believe, received in their council package from the HAC dated May 1st.
04:18:12
At this point, if the machine will let me do it, then it's okay.
04:18:18
I think I'm done.
SPEAKER_18
04:18:20
The 945,000?
04:18:21
Yes.
04:18:22
That was from fiscal year 18-19 though still, right?
SPEAKER_30
04:18:27
I believe that's correct.
SPEAKER_18
04:18:29
That's correct.
SPEAKER_30
04:18:33
If it please Council, I'd ask Phil Deronzio if you would mind coming forward and sharing your wisdom.
04:18:45
I'll come forward.
04:18:46
If that's acceptable.
Phil D'Oronzio
04:18:50
So, thank you Mr. Duffield, Mayor, Council.
04:18:59
What we have here is
04:19:02
We're at a point in this program where we have, when this program was put into place, we looked at it in some respects as a bit of an experiment.
04:19:20
and we designed it with the idea that this was a pilot in some respects.
04:19:25
So there were certain portions of it that we looked at that we weren't sure how it was going to work.
04:19:30
So for example, we reserved a certain number of these recipients specifically for
04:19:40
for homeless applicants.
04:19:42
We reserved a certain portion of them specifically for people who were in self-sufficiency programs.
04:19:51
And part of that was to gauge what the impact would be in each one of those.
04:19:55
And we are in the process of looking at that data.
04:19:59
One of the things that would come to this anniversary is looking at that data and evaluating it.
04:20:03
And a couple of points are that it looks like the self-sufficiency program has worked rather well in that.
04:20:10
We've had people come in and move out of the program.
04:20:15
So there's been some turnover in that, that they no longer were in need of that assistance.
04:20:20
We're also looking at the reason why we've asked for a redesign of the grant is that there are several things that we've learned as we've rolled this out about clunky matters, frankly, about the structure of the program.
04:20:34
So we want another opportunity to look at how we can administer this more effectively.
04:20:41
And a couple of things that are the nature of the reserve that we need.
04:20:45
Some of that is driven by how many people we are assisting and what the projections are.
04:20:49
It also is driven by how many people and
04:20:54
Vouchers are out there and when they are initiated relative to the fiscal years involved.
04:21:01
So it's a moving target, a reserve, sort of an arbitrary reserve number we don't think is really going to work.
04:21:07
We need to come up with something a little more dynamic.
04:21:09
And there are some other suggestions that we'd like to sort of sit down with CRHA and staff to sort of coordinate a way to streamline this and make it a little neater and cleaner.
04:21:19
There are requirements for banding of AMI that at the time
04:21:23
The program was put into place was a bit of sort of described as a solution in search of a problem.
04:21:30
We capped it at 60%, but we wanted to drive it towards the lower end of the AMI scale.
04:21:36
But the way it's built now is a little rigid.
04:21:39
we must use a certain percentage of the certain percentage of the vouchers or the dollars or the number of people involved must be in the 40 to 50 percent band and there's a question about is that people is that dollars is that number of vouchers and what we've learned is is that well we're wanted to drive this thing towards the lower end of the AMI scale anyway it's pointed towards and the original idea behind this the genesis of this that as some of you remember was to look at the
04:22:08
to look at the waiting list that CRHA has right now.
04:22:13
And there are no more Section 8 vouchers to be had.
04:22:17
What could we do to alleviate that?
04:22:18
Well, 84 percent of the people on that list are under 30 percent.
04:22:23
So if we attack from there, that's sort of where we were getting our recipients.
04:22:28
So there are some things we'd like to make.
04:22:30
We'd like council to sort of direct staff and CRHA and the HAC to sort of as we as we re-edit
04:22:38
this grant proposal to put it in a more efficient and based on lessons learned.
SPEAKER_26
04:22:51
You have a memo authored by Mr. Duranzio on behalf of the HAC and it comes after considerable discussion between City, CRHA and the HAC and so I think in great part there's some alignment on that.
04:23:08
I think that
04:23:09
In any event, the current grant agreement ends June 30th, so we do need to reissue a new grant agreement and I do think that there are a number of items that make sense to change.
04:23:25
I don't think that when we think over a three year period and nearly just under 2.6 million dollars that we need to be sitting on 35% of that and keeping people from getting housed.
04:23:41
That's the underlying premise for me about how much set aside is necessary and I can't
04:23:49
I think that we want to talk about a methodology that encumbers at the beginning 24 months of rent so that we know that we have that and then
04:24:05
We're kind of obviating the need for this four and five month cushion at the backside of it.
04:24:11
So I think that there's some, I don't want to bore anybody with the math, but I think that there's some things that we could do differently there.
04:24:19
And I feel very confident after talking with these gentlemen and Miss Kelly and
04:24:26
doing some more work on it, that we can serve about 110 people right now instead of 76.
04:24:32
Which is my interest, serve as many people as you can with the money that council has.
04:24:38
And we're partly in that position because we are 80 plus percent through this year and haven't spent any of the money that was for this year.
04:24:47
So I think we're in good position.
04:24:50
I think that we need to determine, it's really difficult for people to find housing inside the city and whether council would be willing to loosen up on that restriction.
04:25:04
and allow people to only look in the city for 60 days or 45 days instead of waiting 90 days before they start their search elsewhere.
04:25:13
I understand why it's there, but that's a limiting factor for a lot of people's searches.
SPEAKER_10
04:25:20
Can I jump in?
SPEAKER_26
04:25:22
Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER_10
04:25:23
Just to that point, so we don't lose it.
04:25:26
Mr. Murphy and I had a discussion last week and Mr. Blair and I had a discussion today and we worked on some stuff.
04:25:32
All of you should have received this earlier.
04:25:35
We don't have to vote on it tonight, but I want you all to review it of source.
04:25:39
It is a resolution essentially describing what Mr. Murphy just alluded to specifically in regards to the day limit.
04:25:47
So it's actually changing it from, as it's currently constructed, 90 days.
04:25:53
in which they have to look within the city.
04:25:56
And USCSS now therefore be a resolve to go into the second sentence, or little part of the first sentence.
04:26:02
Households receiving the CSRIP voucher shall have 45 days to locate and lease a rental housing within the city.
04:26:09
And then after that, they can look elsewhere.
04:26:11
So again, it's going from 90 to 45.
04:26:14
And then also, from the AMI perspective, I can hold off on that and allow Mr. Murphy to continue.
SPEAKER_26
04:26:21
Yeah, I think that Mr. Duranzio has correctly characterized that as far as I'm concerned.
04:26:28
We know that there is such tremendous need in the 0 to 30 or 0 to 50% AMI category that
04:26:38
to have the bands where we're requiring people at the higher to be part of the program.
04:26:44
While we certainly understand that that would stretch the dollar some, that's not where the community need is.
04:26:49
And until we start to satisfy that lowest need, I think that we need to concentrate our efforts there.
SPEAKER_10
04:26:55
So in the draft that I have for you all,
04:27:00
It expands that lower tier.
04:27:04
So essentially, it states that 75% of all CSRP vouchers shall be issued to extremely low income households, defined as households with incomes less than 30% of the AMI.
04:27:17
And then 25% for those who are between 30 and 50% of the AMI.
SPEAKER_11
04:27:24
Is that too restrictive?
04:27:27
Did you want more flexibility?
Phil D'Oronzio
04:27:30
To the extent we have thinking on this, and I'd like to say that I think it makes sense to really sort of woodshed this a bit between staff, CRHA and the HAC to sort of figure out, and some of this is in the grant language, that administratively all of those bans become complicating factors because then you don't want to be in sort of this sort of almost preposterous situation where
04:27:54
Well, we'd love to provide a voucher to you, but the percentage of people we have right now is a little offset.
04:28:00
So we can't give this voucher to you because you're at 28 percent AMI, and that would put us over 75 percent.
04:28:07
So, sorry about your luck for where you stood in the line, and again, you don't really know
04:28:13
what your future behavior and your future applicant and your future income is going to be so you can get yourself sort of tied up and sort of constipate the whole process trying to keep these bands going.
04:28:25
So in some respects...
04:28:26
It's a nice way to describe it.
04:28:28
At this time of night...
SPEAKER_26
04:28:30
Such colorful language, always from you.
04:28:32
I think that the key to this strategy is if your accounting for the program is dynamic enough that you have real time what's available in dollars, then you can change the requirements and have them not be quite as restrictive.
04:28:50
And it may mean that the number is 105 people instead of 110, but we know where the greatest community need
04:28:58
is, and we should serve those folks first because they're going to be the least likely to be housed in other settings.
SPEAKER_42
04:29:05
So I have a question.
04:29:07
So I find it very, it's kind of weird that over a third of the recipients are living in
04:29:16
Another jurisdiction as it ends up, even if they're working here.
04:29:20
And it's not that we need to, I mean these folks really need help, and the housing market here is what it is.
04:29:27
Is there any way that we could use this at long last to get us working with the county on housing, which is what we've been talking about forever?
04:29:35
It's not like giving them a bill, but let's have a meeting of the staffs and say, hey guys, we are helping a couple dozen families that are living in your
04:29:45
We're helping you get on board.
04:29:49
We need to treat this regionally.
04:29:51
We've been talking about it for a long time.
04:29:53
This is the opportunity.
04:29:54
It's not going to be let's start working on this.
04:29:58
Maybe this next budget cycle, but come on, you've got to
04:30:01
This is the reality, but it is weird that we're, I mean it's like they're not our residents.
SPEAKER_26
04:30:07
I think the trick is, Mr. Signer, that this program required them to look in the city and there was no stock for them to go get housed in.
SPEAKER_42
04:30:17
I know, but they end up not being city residents, so I get it.
04:30:21
I get everything you're saying, but it kind of is not,
04:30:26
If they're not city residents, then unless we're doing a regional approach to help them, which is what we do do sometimes with transportation or lots of other programs, it just seems like we ought to have something going on with the county if we're ending up recipients of a city program live in the county, that we ought to have something going on.
SPEAKER_30
04:30:44
Certainly, and as an individual lives in the county,
04:30:48
support a landlord that holds property outside the city and contributes to the tax base there using City of Charlottesville taxpayer dollars.
04:30:59
Now, if that individual is working within the city, certainly they provide benefit to city enterprises.
SPEAKER_42
04:31:07
But if they lose their job in the course of the year, we don't take away the benefit, I would assume.
SPEAKER_30
04:31:11
We have recertification periods.
04:31:15
I don't believe we have, at this point, taken away.
SPEAKER_42
04:31:18
Yeah, I can't, it wouldn't be here.
04:31:19
That would not be a good thing to do.
SPEAKER_26
04:31:22
I would just, we're going to, in exactly one month from today, be in a joint meeting with the council and the board of supervisors.
SPEAKER_42
04:31:33
This is explicitly under the MOU.
04:31:35
We did do an MOU requiring our staffs to work together on housing.
04:31:38
and Redevelopment, and this is a program where let's at least do a meeting with them and say, participate, let's work together.
SPEAKER_10
04:31:47
It's something that we can have the discussion on, but just for the conversation of tonight, I think just for the sake of time.
SPEAKER_11
04:31:55
I have one quick question, and it's not a quick answer, but the problem then with the city
04:32:01
property and the city rentals is that they're too high.
04:32:04
Can we change our limits on what the, so that more expensive units can be applied for with a voucher?
04:32:15
Because what's limiting the stock of housing?
Phil D'Oronzio
04:32:18
Well, there's an absolute limit in just sheer numbers and occupancy.
SPEAKER_11
04:32:25
Okay, so it's the numbers.
04:32:26
It's not just the rate of rent.
Phil D'Oronzio
04:32:33
There are a couple of recipients where the monthly is somewhere in the $1600
04:32:40
The monthly support is 1,600 and change.
04:32:44
So that's not so much a limit.
04:32:47
And that sort of leads into where this fits into the larger picture.
04:32:53
So we can provide these vouchers.
04:32:55
We can tweak this program so that it runs faster, leaner, and more efficiently.
04:32:58
We can sort of clean up the requirements.
04:33:02
We can look at the data coming back on our special little on the homelessness side and on all of that.
04:33:09
But we also need to coordinate things like this in available housing stock and types of housing and how we can, we may be able to expand this to 110, but we may not have another 40 units to find.
Nikuyah Walker
04:33:26
My apologies, I didn't read this.
04:33:29
I had Ms. Thomas send it to me Friday and then forgot I'd asked.
04:33:34
And so everything was sounding real foreign to me.
04:33:38
And that's why, but from what I'm hearing,
04:33:43
We also need to be clear about when we put the two year time limit.
04:33:49
That's not going to be enough time for most families to be able to afford a $1600 rental.
04:33:57
So when we're thinking about the restrictions that we're putting on the program and the time limit, then we definitely need to look at that if we're talking about price.
04:34:10
points within the city because how you know what would it reasonably take for someone to be able to move you know their income within a two-year period to be able to afford to stay under the 30%?
SPEAKER_26
04:34:25
I think at the onset the program imagines that that is the time where they would
04:34:30
I think that 24 months as I've articulated in the past
04:34:49
is the standard in housing subsidy programs for people to have that opportunity for at least 24 months because a lot of the movement has been towards this more rapid rehousing model where you have access maybe for 24 months, but you have to re-cert every three months, right?
04:35:11
We were trying to reduce the administrative burden on Mr. Duffield's staff and saying there wasn't any re-certification by his staff.
04:35:18
But at the same time, we did layer in like AMI and some of these other structures to what they need to do that make it more difficult.
04:35:29
And a good example of that is, this is 100% locally funded, but we said that they needed to mirror the HCV voucher.
04:35:37
when it comes to shared housing, right, where people are essentially renting a room and then sharing all the common space.
04:35:47
HCV doesn't allow that, but we could, and it would allow a lot of unaccompanied adults to get housed inside the city that we are prohibiting from doing so right now.
04:35:57
So that's another really important amendment, I think, to the grant agreement.
SPEAKER_10
04:36:01
I think that's a phenomenal point, but I mean if we're going to be honest, just from my perspective,
04:36:06
I think we have to also look at this from a comprehensive approach because our goal, in my opinion, just wearing a dual hat, council and housing authority, our goal should be trying to get people off of the assistance.
04:36:19
So we don't want to get into a situation in which individuals are dependent year after year and then you have multiple years in which individuals are dependent on this.
04:36:29
We want to be able to provide assistance in which individuals can gain the skills to be able to command the kind of salary or be able to have whatever it is that's necessary to be able to get into the job market so that they can kind of start up themselves.
04:36:46
Now obviously there's several mitigating circumstances and some people would just need this help, but I think that we have to also look at this as a comprehensive approach.
04:36:58
I saw a program not too long ago in which there was a partnership, just like we have residents on the job, but there was also a component in which they were teaching higher level skills with becoming an electrician, coding, programming and so forth.
04:37:15
We know that's what Section 3 is working on in some regards, but we want to get our residents these skills so that they can get their jobs that can change the trajectory of their life.
Phil D'Oronzio
04:37:26
Well, to circle back to Mr. Murphy's point on that, this is a local program, it's a laboratory, and we can be flexible, and we should.
04:37:41
And we should grab that opportunity.
04:37:43
And self-sufficiency program data is very interesting.
Nikuyah Walker
04:37:47
Yeah, and so the need for the program and what the community is doing holistically to address gaps in wealth and equity, you know, those are, I think, two different things.
04:38:04
I mean, it's sort of the debate that we keep having that has us in the situation even when we're discussing public housing and things, you know, of that nature.
04:38:15
So I just think that it's still, unless there's something that I don't know,
04:38:20
For the majority of people, there may be some individuals, but the expectation that someone would be able to move in a two-year time frame and be able to afford rent in Charlottesville when there are people earning $70,000 who can't afford necessarily rent in Charlottesville.
04:38:39
We just have to be realistic about that factoring into the decision-making about the program.
SPEAKER_26
04:38:47
And I just want to emphasize, you got it.
04:38:49
I really like family self-sufficiency programs, but this is not that, and there's never a mandate that any of the people taking these rental subsidies, and that's all this is, is rental subsidies, that they participate in any programming.
SPEAKER_30
04:39:04
So if that's something council wants to entertain... Well, there is a set-aside for self-sufficiency.
04:39:12
20 of the vouchers.
SPEAKER_26
04:39:17
Of the 89 people.
04:39:18
We don't require them to come.
04:39:20
We don't escrow money for them.
04:39:22
All the elements of the federal FSS program, we're not administering it that way.
04:39:28
So we can't imagine that those folks are going to have those same benefits unless you're going to put some dollars behind that strategy also.
Nikuyah Walker
04:39:38
And even, I mean, I remember when
04:39:41
I don't know who's running that program now, but I remember when it was being run before, I should say that.
SPEAKER_22
04:39:51
What program?
Nikuyah Walker
04:39:52
The Family Self-Sufficiency Program.
04:39:54
They are hard, they are difficult programs to make successful, you know, and to make sure because they are not really set up
04:40:08
I remember the conversations about what people could use the money for whether it was business, purchasing cars, homes.
04:40:18
There were a lot of different how much time it took and it was more than two years for them to
04:40:24
ask for enough money to be able to do that.
04:40:27
So there are a lot of different factors into making the programs like that work.
SPEAKER_30
04:40:34
You're absolutely right.
04:40:36
What we find in larger housing authorities that can absorb that administrative burden, an FSS program can work very well.
04:40:45
A housing authority that's our size, it's a challenge.
SPEAKER_18
04:40:52
So right now we're only looking at just the allocation of the funds.
04:40:55
We're going to come back at another time and look at the revised version of a resolution that addresses these concerns.
04:41:00
Because the other piece I would like to talk about at that time, not now, is just around that new agreement and making sure everyone is on board that we're going to be able to be aligned on that agreement and whatever those requirements are.
SPEAKER_26
04:41:12
It's necessary that we bring you that agreement by the June 17th meeting.
SPEAKER_11
04:41:18
Okay, great.
04:41:20
So right now we need a motion on the resolution.
04:41:23
Correct.
04:41:25
So Mayor Walker, I move that we adopt it.
04:41:27
It doesn't have.
04:41:28
It doesn't have?
04:41:29
Well.
04:41:29
It doesn't have.
04:41:30
We went to it for the funds itself.
John Blair
04:41:33
Right, the resolution for the supplemental rental assistance program.
SPEAKER_10
04:41:38
Yeah, but in the resolution, I'm requesting that we.
04:41:44
Understood.
04:41:46
Go ahead.
Nikuyah Walker
04:41:47
I don't have that.
04:41:49
Yeah.
04:41:51
No, what Wes is talking about.
SPEAKER_26
04:41:52
I gave it to you.
04:41:54
You gave it in the closer.
04:41:56
In the closer?
Nikuyah Walker
04:41:56
Well, it must still be in there.
SPEAKER_11
04:41:59
Tonight's business is just to pass this resolution.
SPEAKER_26
04:42:04
The mechanics of what we need from you tonight is move the money out of the calf so that they'll be able to access it.
John Blair
04:42:11
Tonight is a resolution purely on the appropriation I think.
SPEAKER_10
04:42:15
But I'm also requesting that at our next meeting we look at the resolution that I provided to you all in closed session and that is essentially again
04:42:28
changing the date of time from 90 days to 45 days and also adjusting the AMIPs.
SPEAKER_26
04:42:37
Whether you want to accomplish that through council resolution or we will take that in the group that I believe will be Ms. Kelly, these gentlemen, myself, and whoever else wants to be involved in creating the new grant agreement.
04:42:58
Well, just keep in mind, right, that in addition to just having, you know, released to Mr. Duffield $150,000, that we have just moved $945,000.
04:43:14
So I said June 17th so that it's ahead of
04:43:19
you know the fiscal year starting but in reality that money is never going to get tapped for months right you know we've got a $50,000 a month draw right now that takes us out 20 months if we put more people into the program it'll accelerate the pace of it but still it's likely that we're going to be at least halfway through the year before we need to have had the money tapped for 21 or 20.
SPEAKER_10
04:43:45
That being said, I'd like to make a motion for the allocation of Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund, the CAF, for the Charlottesville Supplemental Rental Assistance Program in the amount of $945,000.
04:43:56
Second.
SPEAKER_05
04:43:56
All right.
Nikuyah Walker
04:44:00
Please vote.
04:44:04
All right.
04:44:04
That carries 5-0.
04:44:06
Thank you.
SPEAKER_30
04:44:09
All right.
04:44:10
Thank you very much.
Nikuyah Walker
04:44:10
All right.
04:44:11
Now we have the residents on the job training program.
SPEAKER_30
04:44:16
Thank you.
04:44:17
Mayor Walker, Members of Council, for you this evening I believe under item 11 on the agenda is an update on the residents on the job program that this council
04:44:39
I guess a previous council, this council, initially funded.
04:44:43
Yes, right, thanks.
04:44:52
It's all a blur.
04:44:56
Let's see.
04:44:57
Let's begin this evening.
04:44:59
I want to thank Council for their support of this program.
04:45:04
As I emailed earlier today, I've got to share with you how much we appreciate it.
04:45:13
As the report that went with the email that
04:45:18
Report to Council on the Residence on the Job program.
04:45:23
The pilot project has accomplished many of the goals established for the effort.
04:45:28
Given the experimental nature of the project and the coordination needs among multiple partners, the year-long effort revealed numerous systemic strengths as well as areas for program enhancement.
04:45:41
These findings are greatly informing and shaping the development of a resident-led Section 3 program modeled on the community's successful resident-led redevelopment effort.
04:45:54
It's worth noting that although limited in its initial scope and breadth, the Residents on the Job pilot project has gained significant national and statewide attention for its successful approach to improving both lives,
04:46:08
of Low Income Families and Charlottesville as a whole.
04:46:13
This success would not have been possible without the vision and leadership of this city council and its investment in Charlottesville's low income community.
04:46:24
I believe that you received a staff memo concerning the residents on the job program.
04:46:34
I believe we've been forwarded the report to council that was submitted to the city in early April of this year.
04:46:46
I'll walk through the summary presentation and then certainly take questions as we need.
04:46:55
It's a background context.
04:47:00
In mid-2017, the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority identified 23 public housing units requiring substantial rehabilitation.
04:47:11
We initially proposed very much a traditional approach to addressing this kind of need.
04:47:17
We proposed that we contract out the repairs,
04:47:22
In so doing, we would anticipate that in the contracting process and given the limited capital funds available to CRHA, in order to tackle these 23 units, we'd have to take an incremental multi-year approach.
04:47:37
We foresaw this taking over a two year period in order to satisfactorily address the needs.
04:47:46
We received initial estimates of the work at a little over $400,000 in total cost to do the contracting approach.
04:47:59
And we're absolutely prepared to move down that path.
04:48:03
In the fall of 2017, FAR approached the CRHA Board of Commissioners, I believe this council, and suggested rather than invest in a contractor to come and go, we ought to invest in our residents.
04:48:22
We ought to take that approach.
04:48:24
So that we can enhance the skill sets among certain residents, give back in the community, and reinvest as part of our total redevelopment effort.
04:48:35
As part of the proposal that FAR brought forward, suggested, look, for the structural items that need repair,
04:48:41
Absolutely.
04:48:42
Let's contract those out.
04:48:44
We need a general contractor, a specialist who are capable of doing that.
04:48:49
However, for the things that are non-structural, let's invest in job and soft skills training, residents who very well then walk away from this experience and obtain employment.
04:49:04
We could also, under FARS,
04:49:08
Farr's proposal leveraged nonprofit resources and collaborations to further the project.
04:49:18
And we could gain significant insight into what a Section 3 program actually looks like and could work in Charlottesville.
04:49:31
In late 2017,
04:49:34
CRHA retained centennial contractors.
04:49:39
They came in and did the structural work for us.
04:49:44
This council very much, again, very much appreciates.
04:49:48
I appreciate councils willing to invest CIP redevelopment funds.
04:49:55
We've put $81,000 set aside for the structural repairs.
04:49:59
Council also budgeted, allocated $110,000 for the non-structural repairs.
04:50:07
Based with those budgets, we implemented the Residence on the Job program in early 2018, refined the project scope.
04:50:16
Council approved $39,200 out of an off-cycle, I believe a strategic initiatives fund to help start up the project.
04:50:27
Project partners recruited, retained five public housing residents in March of 2018.
04:50:41
Let's see, April of May of 2018, pre-field work training began.
04:50:46
This was work with PVCC, Piedmont Virginia Community College.
04:50:53
They had OSHA 10 training also through PVCC, tools and equipment training with Habitat for Humanity.
04:51:02
This is some of that training taking place here.
04:51:06
Of the five, I'm sorry, from June
04:51:11
2018, March 2019, program participants worked four days a week with Habitat for Humanity.
04:51:20
Of those four days, three of those days were spent, at least three of those days were spent on CRHA sites.
04:51:28
The work days were Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
04:51:32
Saturday was frequently time that
04:51:35
The construction assistants had on-the-job training on Habitat for Humanity sites.
04:51:43
In addition, there was one day a week that the construction assistants worked with CRHA staff.
04:51:48
So there was a total of five working days.
04:51:51
Tuesday, typically, was the CRHA day, and then flowed into Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday with Habitat for Humanity.
04:52:01
Integral piece of this was soft skills training that was provided through the city's DSS program.
04:52:09
We came to realize that that was absolutely invaluable and DSS was a critical partner in the project.
04:52:19
DSS for absolutely legitimate reasons, needed to step back from that soft skills training during the course of the program, but their involvement was absolutely, again, critical to the successes that were achieved.
04:52:35
During this time, we had routine updates to the CRHA Board of Directors, Board of Commissioners,
04:52:42
Discussions with city staff concerning the progress of the Residence on the Job program.
04:52:48
And as council will recall, in November of 2018, during a redevelopment workshop, we touched briefly on the success of the Residence on the Job program at that time.
04:53:02
Accomplishments and findings, okay?
04:53:08
We had initially scoped 23 units to complete.
04:53:11
We completed 18 of the units, of the total of the 23 that we intended to do.
04:53:18
A key finding here is that we were probably a little too ambitious in our initial piece.
04:53:23
I know that that's given staff some concern about whether or not funding should be allocated.
04:53:29
It's just a case that we were overambitious, but the work that we did was solid.
04:53:38
of this five construction assistants completed the PVC NCCER core craft credential.
04:53:48
Say that frequently or quickly, you know.
04:53:51
That's called the National Center for Construction Education and Research and it is a credentialed certification program.
04:54:00
Each one of the construction assistants completed and passed that.
04:54:04
All of them completed OSHA 10 training, which is basic safety training required in the construction industry of the five participants.
04:54:16
Let's see, two completed the year-long program.
04:54:19
One construction assistant obtained trade employment.
04:54:26
Let's see, and there were a number of, I'm sorry?
SPEAKER_18
04:54:28
That same person who completed, one of the two that completed also had the trade employment, or is it a third person?
SPEAKER_30
04:54:34
I'm sorry.
04:54:36
Say again?
SPEAKER_18
04:54:36
So there's two that completed the year-long program.
04:54:38
Right.
04:54:39
The person who got trade employment is one of the ones that completed.
SPEAKER_30
04:54:42
One of the two that completed the year-long program.
04:54:44
That's correct.
04:54:46
Yeah.
04:54:47
I'm sorry.
04:54:49
And there were a number of key administrative findings that were
04:54:57
accomplished as well, understood as well.
04:55:00
I mean, out of the pilot project, absolutely, as you'll read in staff's report, a memo to council, there's heavy focus on the fact that reporting did not occur as it was required within the grant agreement.
04:55:18
I take full responsibility for that.
04:55:21
I will say, and
04:55:25
Based on staff comments prior to the memo, there's a finding that says, facetiously, don't aim too high.
04:55:35
Look, there were staff comments that said we shouldn't be funded because we didn't hit 23 completed.
04:55:43
Okay, lesson learned.
04:55:45
In the future, we won't set that lofty goal.
04:55:51
Beyond what I have to say feels a very negative staff representation of the residents on the job program through the memo, there's some real world findings that I know I'm proud of, I know our project partners are proud of, and council should be proud of.
04:56:10
Section 3 works.
04:56:14
It improves families, it strengthens the community, and it produces results.
04:56:19
And you'll see, out of this project, it produced great results.
04:56:25
We found again soft skill components are absolutely key.
04:56:29
We need that involvement.
04:56:31
The other piece was this partnership that was put together with FAR, CRHA, PVCC, Habitat for Humanity, and the city has tremendous potential to be extremely successful and in many ways was.
04:56:47
There are things that can be improved, absolutely, but one of the things we walk away with is a recognition that that's a solid team.
04:56:58
And regardless of, and again, what was presented to council in the memo, there's value here.
04:57:07
The residents certainly see the value.
04:57:10
Kresge Foundation has funded in part a portion of the recent Kresge Foundation grant, which CRHA and FAR are part of, goes to fund
04:57:27
some Section 3 startup, I think about $30,000.
04:57:32
The National Low Income Housing Coalition recognized and featured the Charlottesville Section 3 Residence on the Job program in April of 2018 at their annual conference.
04:57:50
The Residence on the Job program has been selected by Virginia Housing Development Authority as one of two Pay for Success UVA lab projects to be undertaken within the state of Virginia.
04:58:05
That funding is $50,000 to help craft the Residence on the Job concept into a Pay for Success model that can be replicated easily across the country.
04:58:20
The Virginia Association of Housing and Community Development Organizations featured Charlottesville Section 3 residents on the job program last month as part of its annual conference as well, highlighting one of the keynote features of successful cross-partnerships within the housing area.
04:58:44
and then NARO, the National Association of Housing and Redevelopment Organizations invited the project team to speak in San Francisco concerning the residents on the job program.
04:58:57
We didn't have the funding to make that trip, but it was absolutely an honor to be part of that.
04:59:06
The residents, we have housed 74 additional people.
04:59:15
I'm sorry, 58 of which are kids within the 18 units that we completed.
04:59:24
Within the staff memo there is questions that require to be addressed in order to release funding as a condition precedent.
04:59:36
that apparently were not clearly stated within the residents on the job memo that went to report that went to city and to council.
04:59:47
One of the questions is how many construction assistants or CRHA residents?
04:59:51
Well, that's five and it's clearly delineated within the report to council that went to city in April.
04:59:59
How many construction assistants completed the program?
05:00:01
Two.
05:00:02
Again, clearly referenced within the
05:00:05
within the report that went to the city.
05:00:08
What's the current status of the assistance?
05:00:12
One of the questions is, are they still employed with CRHA within the program?
05:00:16
Well, the program's ended at the end of March.
05:00:20
They're not.
05:00:21
One former CA is currently employed by CRHA.
05:00:25
One is currently seeking employment.
05:00:28
One former CA left the program voluntarily, and two were asked to leave.
05:00:34
Activities conducted, again, clearly defined within the closeout report.
05:00:43
Percentage of construction assistance time spent on CRHA projects and percentage of time on Habitat projects.
05:00:50
By design, no less than 80% of the construction assistance time was spent on CRHA projects.
05:00:58
No more than 20% spent on Habitat projects.
05:01:01
But even on the Habitat projects, that was part of job skills development.
05:01:07
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
05:01:11
Credentials earned, if any.
05:01:13
We had OSHA 10 certification.
05:01:16
We had the NCCER core credential certification.
05:01:21
And number of additional families served, residents served, 18 families, 74 people, 26 adults, and 58 kids.
05:01:33
Let's see.
05:01:35
As to funding at this point, Council's released $39,211 which has been used to support the project.
05:01:46
Council budgeted $106,400 out of strategic initiatives.
05:01:52
None of that has been released.
05:01:56
The report that CRHA and the project partners submitted to the city requested rather than release $106, $400 in total.
05:02:08
Let's prorate that based on the fact that not all 23 units were completed.
05:02:14
So on a prorated share based on the actual work completed, just as you would if you were a contractor.
05:02:22
That number comes to $74,748.
05:02:24
Let's see.
05:02:25
The 2017-18 redevelopment CIP, $81,032 was allocated and that has been released.
05:02:41
Those were funds that were used to support centennial contractors.
05:02:45
And there's $110,000.
05:02:48
in the 2017-18 redevelopment CIP that has not been released for non-structural materials, equipment, project cost related.
05:03:02
We request a release of $61,088, again based on actual cost incurred.
05:03:14
It also asks for the balances on the strategic initiative and on the redevelopment CIP.
05:03:21
It asks council to release those balance funds.
05:03:28
so that we can reinvest those in our section three efforts.
05:03:37
Ideally, I hope council can agree that the residents on the job pilot project provided benefits to the community.
05:03:46
Again, that is not apparent in the documentation that's gone to council and the public.
05:03:54
I think that needs to be redacted and readdressed.
05:03:57
There is benefit that needs to be communicated absolutely and needs to be part of the ongoing public record.
05:04:03
So, please, yeah, let's agree that there is benefit that has been had.
05:04:11
And please, if it please Council, release the funding as listed here to reimburse CRHA for labor and non-labor costs
05:04:22
to help seed additional startup costs around Section 3 and to fund recent modernization and unit turns.
SPEAKER_29
05:04:34
Let's see.
SPEAKER_30
05:04:39
From here, we're taking the residents on the job into a Section 3 program.
05:04:47
And this is something that we see as absolutely resident driven.
05:04:51
CRHA has adopted a Section 3 policy, program policy.
05:04:58
We have a Section 3 implementation coordinator on staff.
05:05:02
Dave Norris is serving in that role at this point, as well as redevelopment coordinator.
05:05:08
We've had compliance training completed for CRHA staff within the past four months.
05:05:15
The retained Section 3 Consulting Contractors Motivation, Inc. has been on site on two occasions and conducted workshops, which I believe Council has been invited to.
05:05:30
We also have GMC Consulting, Cornelius Griggs, a company that is in process of being
05:05:40
being contracted as part of our redevelopment effort.
05:05:43
And we have partnerships with the Chicago Housing Authority to serve as consultants in our Section 3 efforts.
05:05:53
Again, what we are trying to do at this point is assemble the Section 3 project funding components using the Kresge grant funding, using part of the VHDA
05:06:07
to pay for success model funding using existing CRHA funding out of its budget and hopefully funding that's remaining from the residents on the job program.
05:06:21
All of which is to help put us into a position to be able to take advantage of the more than $25 million in capital work that's going to come to Charlottesville and to the
05:06:37
specifically to the Housing Authority in the near-term redevelopment projects.
05:06:44
By policy, by statute, a third of that funding should be reserved for Section 3 businesses and individuals.
05:06:59
Lastly, I think, come on, here we go.
05:07:05
Yeah.
05:07:07
All right.
SPEAKER_42
05:07:08
Well, that's not cooperating.
SPEAKER_30
05:07:18
That's a shame.
05:07:19
Yeah, exactly.
05:07:20
It is a sign.
05:07:21
It's a sign.
05:07:21
It's late.
05:07:22
We need to get it done.
05:07:23
There we go.
05:07:24
All right.
05:07:25
Project partners, sincerely.
05:07:27
All right.
05:07:28
I want to thank City Council.
05:07:31
You've embraced a vision that includes a continued commitment to improving the lives of our city's low-income residents.
05:07:38
And by so doing, you're enhancing the Charlottesville community as a whole.
05:07:43
You need to take some pride in that and be recognized for that.
05:07:46
That's outstanding, and I'm certainly appreciative of all your vision and your commitments.
Nikuyah Walker
05:08:04
Question just in terms of what you learned doing this initial project, like how moving forward with future investments are you, what you have in place to ensure that
05:08:27
the requirements because even these other grant you know which will probably be more than me and then sure what the city was asking for what would do you have in place to know and that's you know one of the key findings is we approach this as
SPEAKER_30
05:08:47
on a somewhat a shoestring budget with an anticipation that we could integrate easily the residents on the job program into existing maintenance and related functions.
05:09:02
Certainly our ability to do that with the supplemental rental assistance program and our HCV administrative structure, proven that's possible.
05:09:12
If we had it to do again, I would build more funding in on the front end for administrative costs to help address some of the reporting requirements that, again, I absolutely own.
05:09:26
We missed that, and yeah, that's a key finding.
SPEAKER_18
05:09:32
But what's challenging is that I understand the perspective of the staff memo, but the reason that we have even this in front of us is because I understand it would not have required to come in front of us if those requirements had been met, but it's because of those requirements were not met that this is why we're having this memo.
05:09:48
I'm trying to run a meeting here so that this presentation request is required because of non-compliance with the request and the funding agreement.
05:09:55
So I'm just trying to say, even one check-in I think would have helped, because now we're at a point where we have to do this.
SPEAKER_30
05:10:00
Well, I think absolutely in the future a quarterly check-in would make good sense.
05:10:06
If you look at the deficiencies that are listed, for instance, in all fairness, there is a July 2, 2018 presentation to council.
05:10:18
You didn't meet on July 2nd.
05:10:20
That meeting got canceled.
05:10:22
I'm getting dinged.
SPEAKER_29
05:10:25
But that's what's specifically in the funding agreement.
SPEAKER_30
05:10:32
All right?
05:10:34
I'm owning, I'm telling you, I'm owning the reporting pieces.
05:10:39
And if you choose not to fund me, that's okay.
SPEAKER_18
05:10:44
I'm just trying to figure out how we move forward feeling differently because I feel like the way it's been positioned is that we're not being partners in this because we're
05:10:52
We're having questions around some of these things and I just don't I don't think that's fair I think it's we should be in a position where we have an agreement it was signed with all of these things identified and there were things that were missed and that's why staff is coming back to say that this is kind of what's being put in front of council they want us to be aware of where some things did not get followed through on and I think that's a fair question for them to have put in front of us okay and is it would it be fair for them to have put successes in front of you as well?
SPEAKER_30
05:11:19
Because there were absolutely none within this memo.
05:11:24
If you can point to me that says, Mr. Murphy sent an email this morning that says he enthusiastically supports section 3.
05:11:32
Find me something in this memo that enthusiastically supports what's happened, I'll be oppressed.
SPEAKER_26
05:11:39
To be clear, the staff memo is to ask you all to facilitate the request that Mr. Duffield has made, which is to release $74,000.
05:11:55
And I would point out that despite whatever the administrative shortcomings were, that the staff recommendation is to release those dollars.
05:12:04
and the agreement was that Mr. Duffield would come in and make presentation about the program.
05:12:11
Not that the staff was going to be responsible for representing what happened in the program.
05:12:16
Staff doesn't have that information.
05:12:18
Mr. Duffield does.
05:12:20
And if there was a need to represent that in the staff memo, then that information should have been supplied to our staff person who wrote the memo on Mr. Duffield's behalf.
SPEAKER_30
05:12:31
No, absolutely.
05:12:32
It was provided to you April 2nd, okay?
05:12:37
Report to council and many of the items that are listed as deficiencies in the additional information required are listed within this memo.
SPEAKER_26
05:12:47
some of them and I would say that there's a lot of new information in the PowerPoint tonight including brand new requests for funding for Council that staff has never fielded.
05:12:58
So I would encourage Council to release the $74,000 to Mr. Duffield and the Housing Authority this evening as was the recommendation of staff.
05:13:11
releasing parts or all of the $110,000, which has never even been a request of the Housing Authority to staff in the moment because it's in a PowerPoint, I don't think meets the agreement.
05:13:24
I don't have any objection to the prorated amount that Mr. Duffield has asked for.
05:13:29
If there's going to be a request for a total of $79,000 that was left and set aside between the two programs to carry forward to Section 3, I think that that's probably a good consideration for the Council.
05:13:42
But I guess the question will be, what's the program agreements for what that money is going to be spent on, the $79,000?
05:13:48
And as soon as that's crafted, I think Council should entertain the question.
Nikuyah Walker
05:13:53
I have a question about, so there were the two individuals who completed, one is now employed by CRHA and so currently there is or is not a individuals who are in a program or you all are ready to create a
05:14:17
Next phase of the program.
SPEAKER_30
05:14:20
And I'd probably like the project partners to speak to that directly.
05:14:25
At this point, the construction assistant residence on the job program has been suspended.
05:14:33
It's outside the scope of the initial agreement with the city.
05:14:39
I think there is certainly appetite to revisit that.
05:14:46
I think the part of the report that went to Council, went to staff, titled Report to Council, certainly addresses materials expenses out of the 110 in the project budget.
05:15:02
If staff feels that we need to continue to look at that, absolutely.
05:15:08
And I would certainly welcome the opportunity and hope the Council would embrace the opportunity to look at Section 3 efforts as part of our ongoing projects.
05:15:20
And I will turn it over to someone who has more birthday.
SPEAKER_33
05:15:31
and we absolutely are excited.
05:15:34
I'm with Habitat for Humanity.
SPEAKER_13
05:15:37
What's your name?
05:15:40
I'm John.
SPEAKER_33
05:15:41
We are very excited about taking this program on again and we would love to see it funded and be able to move it forward.
05:15:52
We're humbled to be part of it and excited to see some.
SPEAKER_13
05:15:57
So to answer your question about moving forward, the partners need to meet again because we decided that
05:16:09
We learned some hard lessons in this first piece.
05:16:16
Soft skills was definitely a big problem and that's definitely needed.
05:16:22
We didn't do a big orientation because we were trying to do something different.
05:16:30
orientation definitely have to happen to talk about all of the things and you know about getting to work on time and you know being at your workplace and those kind of things and so those are some things that we're moving forward we definitely have to put in it put in we will be putting in place the other thing to put in place also is a the selection like you know we basically
05:16:57
We gave residents a chance, especially residents who had barriers.
05:17:03
But what we found out is that we have to treat it as if they're in the real world.
05:17:09
getting a job.
05:17:11
So those are some of the things that we have identified.
05:17:14
We haven't meant to put it in place and social service, DSS was a big help and so we know that we need someone who can be there also to kind of like case manage.
05:17:29
However, if it's two, if it's three, if it's five, that there needs to be some case management for people who are in that program and giving it that chance.
05:17:40
But we have not met, we have to have a meeting to, we need to meet again to put that together before we can move that program.
05:17:49
We do have residents who are asking
05:17:52
why we haven't started another program and we basically say we have to revamp it and it's going to be totally different from what we experiment with with this first five.
SPEAKER_10
05:18:05
Is there a timeline for when that may be?
SPEAKER_13
05:18:08
I think they were way I think
05:18:11
We were waiting to make sure that because we found out that the report was you know we needed to give staff a report and it didn't happen so we were trying to focus on making sure that happened because we fall short on that and so that's what they were working on but yeah we do need to meet because we have residents right now that are saying when are you all going to start?
SPEAKER_10
05:18:33
So who all will be in this meeting?
SPEAKER_13
05:18:35
Habitat, CRHA Habitat and Farr, and DSS.
05:18:56
It became a little difficult with the clients.
05:19:04
It just became a little difficult.
05:19:06
There were things that need to be in place that wasn't in place, such as we should have done an orientation with Habitat and we should have done an orientation with Housing Authority so they understood what Housing Authority employee policy says and what Habitat employee
SPEAKER_10
05:19:24
So now it seems as if we're well aware of where the shortcomings were.
05:19:30
So I think the lesson's been learned.
SPEAKER_13
05:19:35
You all have articulated that.
SPEAKER_10
05:19:39
So with that being said, I think it would be great if we could get a date.
05:19:43
It doesn't have to be right now.
SPEAKER_13
05:19:44
I was just trying to answer the Mayor Walker's question because we've talked about it but we haven't set a date to meet and I've been asking when we're going to meet again but the report making sure that you all get what you needed and you know
SPEAKER_10
05:20:05
I had to be first.
05:20:06
That was part of your task.
05:20:08
So is it possible to have a meeting before the end of May?
SPEAKER_32
05:20:12
Yeah.
SPEAKER_10
05:20:13
Yeah.
05:20:13
So I think if so, when we talk about like releasing the funds or even next next steps, it may behoove us since there were successes that may not have been highlighted in the way that Mr. Duffield would have wanted to.
05:20:27
But there's still also some questions from seems like staff as well as
05:20:32
our city manager.
05:20:33
Would a possible solution be that for you all to set your meeting for your next date, provide us with the outline of when you'll be having your orientation, kind of outline of exactly what you want to do, then maybe come back before us and then we can review that portion and then look at releasing the funds?
SPEAKER_11
05:20:52
So one thing that I heard that I just don't want to lose is there was a
Nikuyah Walker
05:21:16
I guess Habitat's policy, CRHA policy and I would hope that it's being looked at of what needs to be put in place for a new kind of startup program like this with individuals who may not have been hired for either organization and what
05:21:44
agreement both organizations can come to so people are not trying to meet the needs of two separate organizations and they're working for one because if they were expected to meet varying requirements that in itself would have produced some confusion that could have made them less successful.
SPEAKER_13
05:22:06
There was a lot of intervention, there was a lot of
05:22:11
drop what you're doing and go deal with this, right?
05:22:14
Because, you know, they were eager.
05:22:17
The participants were very eager and wanted to learn.
05:22:21
And I must say that all five of them completed the course of PVCC.
05:22:26
And for me, that's a success.
05:22:28
They all got that training.
05:22:30
They were very excited about the training.
05:22:33
They wanted to come in and change how Habitat did things and how CRHA did things.
05:22:39
And so,
05:22:40
that kind of had a little rub because they had learned something new from PVCC.
05:22:47
So there were some things that we learned that we know that has to be at the front end of selection, starting, and then being right in the midst of it.
Nikuyah Walker
05:23:00
But I think something, not knowing the full story, but if people who are actually doing kind of pilots, if they come with new ideas, is there a way for people who've been doing things for a while, a certain way to incorporate those new ideas instead of being really firm about
SPEAKER_13
05:23:22
Habitat worked with, they were doing a lot of work with Habitat, I mean Habitat really was working with them and like some of the units that I saw that they have done and even though I know we didn't meet the quota for the 25 or whatever it is and that was ambitious, it's just that some of those 25
05:23:45
was really, really above and beyond what Habitat and those folks can do.
05:23:51
So it's not that they couldn't do it, they didn't want to do it, they wanted to do it, but it was much more substantial than what they could have done.
SPEAKER_22
05:24:00
So I don't know if they...
05:24:06
Okay.
05:24:07
Thank you.
05:24:08
Thank you.
SPEAKER_18
05:24:10
Can we move forward?
SPEAKER_30
05:24:10
If I may, let me, Councilor Hill.
SPEAKER_18
05:24:13
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_30
05:24:14
I apologize.
05:24:15
I think what you're hearing is from me and from project partners and 18 months of really invested in passion for what we were trying to accomplish and what we saw, what I saw in the staff memo was
05:24:34
really deflating and I'm sorry that that came across that way.
05:24:42
I would ask if council could, if council would release the 74,000, absolutely that would be welcomed.
05:24:52
If council could acknowledge, make an acknowledgement that yeah, there were benefits that came out of this program.
05:24:58
That would mean a lot to me and to the project partners.
SPEAKER_13
05:25:05
Hopefully y'all did get the memo that Brandon sent out and so we wanted you all to see it from our perspective.
05:25:15
is that, yes, there were, being that it's a pilot program, yes, on the front end, there was a lot of things we missed that we had a lot of, I don't know, I guess I want to say, we were excited about getting it done and going, but there were some things that we missed and we can't miss that going forward.
05:25:39
because part of it, the big part of this program and the big part of what happened was soft skills.
05:25:47
It was definitely the whole soft skirt and we did not address that before going into it.
SPEAKER_10
05:25:53
So thank you, Ms. Johnson.
05:25:54
I'd like to call the questions.
05:25:58
And I'd like to make a motion.
05:26:01
One, acknowledging the diligent work of CRHA, Habitat, FAR.
05:26:07
So thank you, Mr. Duffield.
05:26:09
Thank you.
05:26:10
Lessons learned.
05:26:12
But I would like to make a motion that we release the $74,000.
SPEAKER_11
05:26:17
I'll second it if I just make one comment too.
05:26:24
And this is not to say that staff was not being responsible and diligent as well.
05:26:31
I think we now have a meeting of the minds here.
05:26:34
I appreciate staff's accurate analysis from the perspective of what we usually expect from programs and having the presentation tonight was helpful for me because the clear pilot nature of this hit home again and that's what a pilot is supposed to do.
05:26:57
It's supposed to get us to
05:26:59
I want to just make it clear that I do believe staff was doing their job as they understood that to be.
Nikuyah Walker
05:27:18
Yeah, and I would say that I think it's important, you know, I'm glad that you all are addressing whatever issues and looking forward to make sure that the paperwork side of things and the updating and the reporting
05:27:34
happens but I said it often and I was talking about it earlier when we were talking about CDBG and home funding that there are individuals who can do the paperwork part but they're not necessarily making the impact part and so for the individuals who are doing the work but it's not necessarily showing up on
05:28:02
Paper, it is very important for us to figure out how to make that happen so that there aren't questions surrounding whether it's being done and whether it's effective.
05:28:13
And especially hopefully moving forward with the conversations that we'll have around taxpayers' money and funding of
05:28:24
organizations and nonprofit within the city, whatever we can do to help fix that or the conversations that you can have with city staff.
05:28:37
I mean, I was thinking of the economic development and whether I know they put some soft skills training in, so whether that would be a possibility if ESS didn't work.
05:28:48
So just brainstorming
05:28:52
along the way and as problems come up versus you know trying to you know figure it figure it out because I think that's going to make you know things work better.
SPEAKER_18
05:29:04
I agree it has to be a partnership and I think that determining what are the barriers that prevented this kind of reporting from happening maybe we have to just rethink it going forward but the bottom line is you do have to have mechanisms in place by which we
05:29:15
kind of come through on agreements.
05:29:17
And if I can understand, and even when we're talking about the rental assistance program, there is things that are making that difficult to administer.
05:29:24
And so what can we do to make it easier so that we all are well communicated with?
05:29:27
Because frankly, we haven't talked about this since we allocated the funds.
05:29:30
And so, I mean, with council, that's all.
SPEAKER_10
05:29:32
And so I'm just- Okay, so- Lessons learned, great.
Nikuyah Walker
05:29:37
All right, please vote.
05:29:41
That carries five to zero.
05:29:45
All right, next we have the West Main Street Skate Project update.
SPEAKER_10
05:29:56
Did someone order us breakfast?
SPEAKER_22
05:30:00
It's like an omelet.
Alexander Ikefuna
05:30:09
I don't know.
05:30:13
Good evening, Madam Mayor.
05:30:15
Good morning.
05:30:18
Good morning.
05:30:20
You're right.
05:30:23
Tonight, we are bringing a city councilor an update on the West Main Street streetscape project.
05:30:36
On May
05:30:40
On March 21, 2016, Council approved the conceptual design for the project.
05:30:48
Subsequent after that, on May 15, 2017, the City Council also approved the schematic design plan that set the stage for the current phase of the project, which is a design developed for the whole stretch of the project.
05:31:04
Street, and then construction drawing for phase one, which runs from Bridge Street to Sixth Street.
05:31:12
In the process of completing this phase, some issues came up, and since Council designated itself as the sole reviewer of the project, so we decided to bring those issues to the City Council to get some directions.
05:31:31
One of the issues is Lewis and Clark and Sakagawa monument relocation.
05:31:43
As part of the schematic design, it was recommended that the statue should be shifted to the southwest of the current location, about 20 feet, 20 feet from the current location.
05:31:58
and staff also learned that there was expression at the city council to completely relocate the monument to out of the current location and staff had a concern for this particular issue raised by the city council so we wanted to get some kind of direction from the city council
05:32:28
What the council position is, staff will prefer that City Council reaffirm the decision it made as part of the schematic design, which was to move, shift the statue to the southwest of the current location, about 20 feet.
05:32:47
The reason being that
05:32:50
If the statue is completely relocated from this project site, it could result in some kind of impact in the funds that were currently funded by the state of Virginia.
05:33:12
and the other issue we had was the historic interpretation.
05:33:16
This was a directive from the City Council to go back to the community and then work with the stakeholders in terms of identifying potential sites that will reflect some kind of cultural interpretation so that there will be inclusive representation on the street once the project is done.
05:33:40
There are several recommendations that staff had that is before the City Council tonight.
05:33:49
Some of those recommendations regarding the historic interpretation includes the bridge and bridge builders' recognition, wayfinder signage, which will include ways to
05:34:00
to direct folks to the Thomas Jefferson School and Heritage Center gateway element and then etched pavers that will indicate historic sites and locations which have been carefully considered and vetted.
05:34:20
And prior to working on this with the stakeholders, Jeff Warner,
05:34:29
Jake Warner is back there and Miss Green, Charlene Green.
05:34:37
They play a critical role in terms of coordinating the stakeholders.
05:34:40
There were several meetings that took place in the neighborhood and at the church of West Main in terms of discussing the potential interpretation
05:34:51
locations and at the end of the day we are able to come to some kind of consensus and recommendations and those recommendations are contained as part of this staff report.
05:35:06
The other issue we have was the raised crosswalks that were originally part of council directive but in the course of
05:35:17
The design project, there were several issues raised by a certain city department, fire department, drainage department, some engineering staff at NDS raised those issues.
05:35:33
The consultant decided to ask that council provide some kind of clarification because staff
05:35:44
I was requesting that the crosswalks be eliminated as a result of those issues raised by staff.
05:35:51
So tonight we have the consultant here that can respond to some of the questions that the city council has if staff cannot.
05:36:01
and what is before the city council tonight is to provide direction to staff in the form of attached resolution to the staff report regarding the monument, historic interpretation and the raised crosswalks.
05:36:22
I can answer any question that the council may have and again the consultant is here and then Jeff Warner
05:36:30
who is the historic preservation and staff for NDS is also in the building.
SPEAKER_42
05:36:38
Mayor Walker, do you mind if I just procedural question?
05:36:40
So this actually came up with Mr. Murphy.
05:36:44
So it's listed on the agenda as a report, but this is actually a resolution.
05:36:49
We're making a decision tonight.
05:36:52
And there's a draft resolution that has these packaged, there's four items in it.
05:36:57
So we could ask questions now, but in terms of getting
05:37:01
like if we're gonna have debate it should somebody should make a motion for that draft resolution and which has all four items unless there was something that's what that's what staff is recommending just because it's 1245.
SPEAKER_11
05:37:19
Mayor Walker I do have a question.
05:37:22
So, with regards to the spot that's being reserved for the statue as it moves, there's nothing that's prohibiting that from being the location for any statue, correct?
05:37:40
It could be some other statue moving forward.
05:37:43
It's not something designed specifically for the statue that's there now, is that correct?
05:37:53
because it sounds to me that I'm continuing on this train of thought that there could be another track of process that is initiated
05:38:08
sooner or later.
05:38:09
Not tonight, it's too late, but maybe next month, where we begin the process.
05:38:14
And I was rereading the Blue Ribbon Commission on race in public space that did talk about that there are other public places that need to be looked at.
05:38:25
Didn't cite the particular statue in question that we're talking about tonight, but
05:38:32
It did seem to me that there was a series of steps that need to be undertaken to bring the public into full discussion about this.
05:38:41
And we're not there tonight at all.
Alexander Ikefuna
05:38:43
That's correct.
SPEAKER_11
05:38:44
So I just want to know that the way this has been designed is their flexibility in whatever goes there.
05:38:53
It's not like this statue needs to be there to make this design work.
05:38:59
If there's another statue in there in the future,
05:39:01
That's fine.
Alexander Ikefuna
05:39:03
I think the issue is the statue that is right there now.
05:39:06
So the statue that is right there at that particular location right now, I think that's what the issue is.
05:39:15
There is a space to the south.
05:39:20
Southwest of the current location that could hold a statue.
05:39:26
There is a proposal for a new statue.
05:39:29
But what staff is recommending is to shift the current statue so that the street can be realigned.
05:39:36
And then this particular location, we are proposing to shift the statue.
05:39:45
It would be designed like a mini park.
SPEAKER_11
05:39:48
And I understand that, but there's no reason why that that couldn't, if over a process, when I think we need a process, but if over a process this community decides that that statue should be moved someplace else, it's not going to destroy the design.
05:40:04
No.
05:40:06
And so I'm saying that it's not something that we need to be allocating money or taking money away from the West Main Street project.
05:40:16
There's two separate things.
Alexander Ikefuna
05:40:18
Yeah, it will but I think it could, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it could impact on the time, the timeline for the project.
Nikuyah Walker
05:40:32
Just a question about, has anyone looked at a redesign of that space that didn't include the statue, and if there's another statue commissioned in the future, that we, and if that was the location that we wanted to put it in, that we would... We want to make that flexibility.
05:40:53
But not just to move the statue there just because it's what works, is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_39
05:41:01
In order to build the triangular park, we have to move the statue.
05:41:13
in order to create safe traffic and pedestrian circulation.
05:41:19
So through the design process we identified an appropriate location for that statue.
Nikuyah Walker
05:41:26
And so that's what I'm asking, did you all identify, do drawings where there wasn't a statue?
05:41:35
Yes.
SPEAKER_39
05:41:37
We identified an ideal location where either that statue or some other sculptural element could be located.
05:41:47
So the park could be developed without the statue being moved.
05:41:55
It would have to be moved in order to create that space.
05:42:01
If it were moved, we've identified in the future, and it could be next year, five years, ten years down the road, that there would be an ideal place for where something sculptural could go.
05:42:19
It was pretty straightforward through that process.
Nikuyah Walker
05:42:25
But the current recommendation is to keep it in place and move it but keep it there.
05:42:34
Moving it in that part.
05:42:37
And I think that we would get something actually done if it wasn't just moved into the new space.
SPEAKER_11
05:42:47
That's a discussion that we have to have.
05:42:49
But Mayor Walker, I think we need to make this a public discussion and not just a decision on council that that statue goes.
05:42:55
I want that's my my view.
05:42:58
And I think right now, I just wanted to find out that that was nothing that was going to be it wasn't the design of that park wasn't dependent upon that statue being there.
05:43:09
It's actually a very versatile design that when this community decides that it wants to get that statue out of that location,
05:43:17
It's not going to be a problem for this particular park.
SPEAKER_42
05:43:21
In other words, it's not as if the redesign of the park depends aesthetically on that statue being there.
05:43:28
You could swap out.
SPEAKER_39
05:43:29
You could swap it out.
Nikuyah Walker
05:43:34
I understand that, but it's very convenient.
05:43:38
It's going to get this project moving.
05:43:41
That's what everybody wants, this project to continue.
05:43:44
No one is taking into account when do we speed up the process so that this community engagement.
05:43:52
This article in The Hook was back in 2009 where Sacajawea's descendants were quoted in the paper, when I saw the statue I was very sad.
05:44:01
Those are part of the comments.
05:44:07
Although portraying this expedition in a romantic style,
05:44:14
it's a painful reminder of oppression.
05:44:16
So that is when Mayor Norris, there are pictures with Vice Mayor Holly Edwards in the pictures of the plaque.
05:44:28
I understand what you all are asking and I understand that that would be the easiest route to take.
05:44:34
What I'm saying is that if we just move the statue, then the statue will probably be there.
SPEAKER_18
05:44:46
And I thought we were saying that even if we remove it, we're just wanting to know that even with the removal that this design can go as planned with a placeholder for something to be there in the future.
05:44:57
That's what I'm hearing.
05:44:58
Yes.
SPEAKER_42
05:44:59
What is the cost of moving it this 20 feet?
05:45:02
I saw a figure somewhere a while ago.
SPEAKER_39
05:45:05
It's in the cost estimate.
Alexander Ikefuna
05:45:07
Yeah, it's in the cost estimate.
05:45:09
I don't think I remember it offered, but it's part of the cost estimate for the project.
05:45:14
Just to shift.
SPEAKER_42
05:45:15
$45, $50,000 just to move it 20 feet.
SPEAKER_39
05:45:21
Wow.
SPEAKER_42
05:45:23
Okay.
05:45:25
I thought it was less.
SPEAKER_04
05:45:28
It's not just the cost.
05:45:31
So I think what's kind of getting missed in the discussion is that this statue, whatever you think of it, has been placed on the National Register of Historic Resources and Places.
05:45:44
So because we've accepted state funding for this portion of the project, we need to coordinate and complete environmental work.
05:45:53
Part of that will be working with VDHR.
05:45:57
Virginia Department of Historic Resources
05:46:03
So we will need to complete a state version of section 106, which requires coordination with consulting parties.
05:46:13
It's quite a process.
05:46:15
We have reached out and talked with the department about moving the statue 20 feet or moving it out of town.
05:46:28
It will be an adverse effect.
05:46:30
Moving it 20 feet.
05:46:32
will be a process that they will be able to work with us on.
05:46:37
The first step is avoidance of avoiding any impact to the resource.
05:46:43
The second step is mitigation to minimize the amount of impact to the historic resource.
05:46:51
And to completely remove it, we've heard would be quite a different process.
05:46:57
So we're going to be adding time
05:46:58
to the process.
05:47:00
So to move it would be, we could mitigate its impact.
05:47:05
If we remove it completely, we will receive pushback from BDHR.
05:47:11
So I think the idea put forth- Pushback, but it's not impossible.
05:47:15
It's absolutely not impossible.
05:47:16
It would just impact the schedule of West Main, and we just want to disclose that.
05:47:21
So whatever direction we get, we just want to let you know based on your decision what the result will be.
Nikuyah Walker
05:47:30
And the impact of the schedule on West Main does what in terms of the funding streams?
05:47:37
I mean, what are you losing there?
SPEAKER_04
05:47:41
We are not losing anything other than time escalation.
Nikuyah Walker
05:47:47
So there's no money.
05:47:49
That's been allocated towards the program that would be lost if we take an approach to figure out what the community
Alexander Ikefuna
05:47:58
I don't think any money will be lost.
05:48:01
However, cost escalation could be huge because the value of the contract right now might be maybe $30 million but $5 million.
05:48:12
But by the time we finish the historic review, if it's 106 review, Section 106 or what have you, by the time we finish that and come back and continue the project,
05:48:23
The construction cost could increase by 20%, and given the community we live in, it's very easy for construction costs to escalate.
05:48:36
You know, so that alone, although we're not going to lose any money, that alone could be a huge expense for the city.
05:48:45
And secondly, VDOT, two or three, two and a half weeks ago, we went to training in a court.
05:48:55
and one of the issues they raised with localities was timeliness completion of the project otherwise they take the funding and locate it to other priorities so we have to keep that in mind even though we are not going to lose anyone
05:49:17
But the cost escalation coupled with the timeline we have with VDOT could be a huge expense to the city.
Nikuyah Walker
05:49:28
Sahir, I've heard you all since we've been meeting.
05:49:34
But I also think back to just what we were talking about earlier in terms of looking at equity in the city.
05:49:39
In this case, if there was an equity lens here, what would it say?
05:49:43
And would it say that the most important
05:49:47
The other thing the Council can consider is
Alexander Ikefuna
05:50:02
Maybe we have farm staff recommendation.
05:50:08
We shift the project 20 feet and did minimal mitigation with the Department of Natural Historic Resources.
05:50:20
And then when the project is done or sometime in the future, we can set up some kind of community-based group to discuss
05:50:31
Maybe what to do with the statue relocation and the replacement of the statue sometime in the future.
SPEAKER_11
05:50:38
I still think that can be initiated sooner, like now.
05:50:49
We could move forward with your resolution with also the understanding that we want you to be working with.
05:50:56
What's the historic resource acronym?
John Blair
05:50:59
VDHR
SPEAKER_11
05:51:03
work in tandem with them to say that we're in a process now of a community discussion about what to do with this statue.
05:51:10
And we don't we don't want to slow down the construction process for the improvements because, you know, when you're talking about people that ride the bus and people that walk and safety, there's there are issues with that, too, that need to be taken seriously.
05:51:26
Yeah, we can.
05:51:27
So I but I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
05:51:30
I think you can begin the process with the community like we put before council a resolution next month and we bring in the Native American tribes that were excluded in the other discussions and to be part of a new commission to look at this because it also sounds like the other statue's an issue.
05:51:55
but it's not something that needs to slow this down.
05:52:01
I don't see why.
SPEAKER_39
05:52:02
I think the way in which it would be slowed down is that we could handle the statue as an ad alternate or a deduct alternate where it could be just kept on the side and you just proceed with the rest of the construction documents for phase one.
05:52:20
So I think it is a separable item to enable everything else to be followed.
05:52:26
Can you go on the path of discussing immediately?
SPEAKER_11
05:52:32
I don't know if our historic planner wants to say anything.
05:52:40
Is there any comment?
05:52:41
Mr. Warner?
Jeff Werner
05:52:46
Jeff Werner and I can share what I shared with Alex and primarily sort of first-hand experience and most of you know what I used to do and the way we stopped the Western Bypass you know it was an interesting dive into history in the community but the identification of the Sammons Farmstead and the cemetery which
05:53:13
You know, we stumbled, I went onto VDOT property and found, but the process is, as I told Alex sitting in his office, I said, you know,
05:53:27
Delay is how you fight projects and so you find ways to delay things if you're opposed to something and my very candid recommendation to him was that if looking at West Main as a state-funded infrastructure project, which has its timelines to go on, I said it would probably be wisest to
05:53:52
If this is the will of the city to do something with that statue, then do that separately and separate it from the process that we would have to go through.
05:54:03
And again, having been through the section 106 on a couple of projects, it is
05:54:13
Deliberate, it takes time.
05:54:15
And I think that my advice to him was to weigh what was that threshold of delay that we were willing to put into that road project.
05:54:26
So that's one way to look at it.
05:54:28
And another way, another piece to throw into this is also when you alter
05:54:36
Those statutes also would have to go to the Board of Architectural Review.
05:54:41
So that's another element of this.
05:54:44
So the city's process would call for a decision or a recommendation by the Board of Architectural Review, which certainly could be appealed to council.
05:54:59
by our rules couldn't be City Council says you must.
05:55:03
The BAR would make that recommendation.
05:55:05
So that's another thing to take into consideration, if that helps.
05:55:10
I'm not saying I know the outcome of what would happen.
05:55:13
I'm just saying weigh that in this relative to the infrastructure project that we're talking about on West Main.
SPEAKER_11
05:55:22
So, Mayor Walker, I'd like to make a motion that Council adopt the resolution before us
05:55:29
as written by staff and that we begin a separate process to decide the future of the statue via resolution next month when we have time to write it and determine how to structure it with the pattern that we've got in place already with the Blue Ribbon Commission of Race and Public Space.
SPEAKER_42
05:55:58
I'll second.
Nikuyah Walker
05:56:03
Okay.
05:56:03
Any further comment?
05:56:07
And Mr. Murphy, you got that.
SPEAKER_26
05:56:12
Move to approve the consideration of the statue resolution or in a public process separately at a June meeting.
Nikuyah Walker
05:56:20
Yes.
05:56:23
And just because I would need to know more information for voting on this, my vote is going to be no, but I don't see where items two and three on Be It Resolved are problematic.
SPEAKER_22
05:56:39
All right, please vote.
Nikuyah Walker
05:56:44
It carries four to one.
05:56:51
All right.
05:56:52
That's it.
05:56:53
Community matters.
05:56:56
If you would like, was there any other business?
05:56:59
No?
05:57:00
Community matters or matters by the public, if you would like to speak if you could come up.
SPEAKER_40
05:57:12
Good morning.
05:57:14
I know we'd all like to go home.
05:57:15
I'm Brad Slocum.
05:57:17
I'll keep this brief.
05:57:18
Just want to say thank you for passing the supporting resolution earlier.
05:57:23
Very much appreciated.
05:57:24
And just to respond to some of the questions and comments that came up around that.
05:57:29
cities as small as Ithaca, New York, and Asheville, North Carolina, all the way up to Philly, Austin, San Francisco, and the state of California have passed similar supporting resolutions.
05:57:43
So Charlottesville is now part of that national group where the
05:57:48
First municipality in the state of Virginia.
05:57:52
So we're taking the lead on that.
05:57:53
And so things like that, when volunteers with groups like Citizens Climate Lobby go to our Congress people, they ask, you know, where's the support for this?
05:58:06
Where's the community support for this?
05:58:08
What buy in have you gotten?
05:58:10
So a lot of our process involves reaching out to businesses, other community groups,
05:58:15
and other represented people and governments like city councils.
05:58:20
So that's part of our toolbox to try to get national change, which was noted earlier.
05:58:26
You know, we need this to go beyond just regional and local borders.
05:58:31
And so that takes me just to my other really quick point.
05:58:34
It was heartening to hear some of the greenhouse gas reduction recommendations.
05:58:40
But as part of the city's climate plan on the website,
05:58:44
Climate Protection Program.
05:58:48
By joining the Global Covenant of Marriage, Charlottesville is committed to taking action in three phases that include requirements for covering climate mitigation and climate action.
05:58:58
The city of Charlottesville is currently in phase two of that commitment, where we will set a new greenhouse gas reduction goal and assess climate vulnerabilities.
05:59:07
I know everyone hears basically daily about millions of species dying, disasters.
05:59:14
All over the world, but what I haven't heard is what our action plan is here.
05:59:19
I know that the Thomas Jefferson Planning District released an updated hazard mitigation plan.
05:59:26
It's a nice 200 pages.
05:59:28
I haven't had time myself to read it, but the last time before that it was updated was in 2011.
05:59:34
I did see updated language reflecting the idea of climate change but it seemed like relatively scant things so I really don't know who on staff might be tasked with that part of the climate plan besides the greenhouse gas reductions but I highly recommend that we put that at the forefront because the only other mention I could find
05:59:57
and the planning was for that to be worked on in July of 2020, which is a year from now, one hurricane season from now.
06:00:08
So I highly recommend that we take a look at that part of our commitment.
06:00:12
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
06:00:13
Thank you.
SPEAKER_28
06:00:18
I'd like to speak just for a few minutes, practice my speaking.
06:00:22
Here's my address to city council.
06:00:25
titled Equity in Affordable Housing and more facts about Queen Charlotte.
06:00:35
I am John Edward Hall of the Fry Springs neighborhood in our city.
06:00:41
The poor and undereducated in our city community
06:00:46
cry out for equity that is justice, fairness, impartiality, and affordable housing with our city government providing stewardship and care.
06:01:00
I have a feeling that help is also coming from our private sector, which I am now a part of.
06:01:10
We all wish for equitable government to bring about correction for past and present injustice, unfairness, whether we see black or white or in between in our race relations, police and domestic relations, and government service relationships.
06:01:34
We view our physical world and the events that occur in it
06:01:40
with great interest, sometimes curiosity as we look in from outside and inside this chamber.
06:01:52
So let us hallow this hall in our attempts to help lead and continue to bring new light into this council forum.
06:02:01
That said, and for the future, I wish to point out
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that Charlottesville is no longer a ville, and by this I mean a small town or settlement as it was when patented.
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As you know, we are now a city of roughly 50,000 people.
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We are honoring Queen Charlotte on May 19th, but not her husband, who was George III, who we rebelled against
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in benign sedition and treason as thought by many at the time which brought us into conflict and war with our mother country, Great Britain.
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So therefore, at this time, for today and the future, I propose that we, the people, upon petition of them and then city council vote,
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Put on the November 5, 2019 ballot resolution.
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Change our name from the city of Charlottesville to the name Charlotte City, Charlotte City, Virginia.
Nikuyah Walker
06:03:29
Thank you.
SPEAKER_24
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Good morning.
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I'll make this quick.
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I just wanted to enter something into the record, which last Friday's promotion for the police, this is something that was discussed in various sectors of the community and on social media, but I wanted to enter it into the record that there were some concerns, particularly about Corporal, now Sergeant, Logan Woodsell and his
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kind of chumminess with those very fine people of the highwaymen in one case and the American Warrior Revolution attendees of the August 12th Unite the Right rally here and it was very disturbing to members of the community that he would just be promoted and that this would not seem to form any sort of stumbling block for that.
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So I just wanted that noted.
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I noticed that there weren't a lot of people coming to the consulting forum that y'all hired to get input from the community.
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At least at the meeting I was at, I was at the first one, which was out in the county, but there were only half a dozen of us from the public.
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So I don't know how representative a sample that was in terms of just the data they were able to gather.
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So that two things about police and then about this Sacagawea statute.
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I just noticed there that.
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When I'm trying to turn onto Ridge from Maine, it's just very dangerous.
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I'm trying to nose my car out.
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It's just a very dangerous intersection, just period.
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And there shouldn't be something protruding, just quite apart from the insulting nature of the imagery itself.
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It's just practically speaking,
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It's dangerous there.
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I mean, somebody got killed at that intersection just not two weeks ago, you know?
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And it just struck me, you know, in hearing all this, it's like we literally and figuratively cannot see our way around our racist statues.
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It's like it just shouldn't even be there.
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We need it to be very low profile so that we can see because it's a very busy intersection.
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and there are, you know, we have an institution that's already agreed that they would be happy to take in, you know, the Lewis and Clark and Sacagawea statue and provide them adequate contextualization that it needs and deserves and it shouldn't be in our public space for many reasons.
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Anyway, that being said,
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If you were to set up some sort of BRC type, I don't know, consideration process.
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Mr.
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Guy Lopez, who was here earlier, who spoke earlier.
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My friend Grace Hale, who's not able to be here tonight, she herself is Chicasa and these are statues which is really.
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It's been painful to her and to her family as well and so I'm here also speaking in her stead because she can't be here.
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But there are people who have expertise, Corinne Woods, Monica Elder, who's been here before as well.
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There are resources.
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Anyway, all right, good night.
Kyna Thomas
06:06:44
Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_24
06:06:44
Jelane Schmidt, J-A-L-A-N-E S-C-H-M-I-D-T, resident of the city.
Nikuyah Walker
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And in terms of the promotions last week, I heard a lot of community feedback.
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I had some concerns myself and I did have conversations with staff and the chief about those concerns.
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So we had discussions.
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Is there anyone else?
SPEAKER_17
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Clough Hall, 806 Concord Avenue.
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I'll make it short and sweet.
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I met the majestic John Crow in 2002.
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And he told me that an average weekly tithe was $10,000.
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A better tithe was $15,000.
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Wikipedia means he's making $100,000 if he's tithing $10,000.
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He's making $150,000 a week.
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Enough needs, I don't need to say anything more.
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So Wikipedia, John Crow.
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All right.
Nikuyah Walker
06:08:11
OK. Is there anyone else here who would like to speak?
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All right.
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Meeting adjourned.
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Thank you.