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City of Charlottesville
City Council Meeting 3/18/2019
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City Council Meeting
3/18/2019
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MINS_20190318Mar18-APPROVED.pdf
SPEAKER_22
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Listen, here it is.
Nikuyah Walker
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Good evening.
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So I apologize for our delay.
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We were in our closed session a little bit longer, so we appreciate your patience.
Heather Hill
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Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
SPEAKER_20
00:10:43
I pledge allegiance to the flag and to the
SPEAKER_31
00:10:52
All right, Ms. Thomas roll call please.
Kyna Thomas
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Dr. Bellamy?
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Here.
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Ms. Hill?
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Here.
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Ms. Walker?
Nikuyah Walker
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Present.
Kyna Thomas
00:11:07
Mr. Signer?
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Here.
Kyna Thomas
00:11:09
Ms. Galvin?
Nikuyah Walker
00:11:10
Here.
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Are there any announcements?
Heather Hill
00:11:16
I'll just follow up.
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I think this was mentioned last time.
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Mr. Alexander presents the fifth annual My Help List contest, a thinking and writing and reading activity.
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Entries of 150 words or less to share in writing.
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It's important to help people because list five things that you've done to help someone or how you can help someone.
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Eligible to all students throughout the Charlottesville and surrounding counties in grades categories K through two, third through fifth, sixth and eighth, and then high school ninth through 12th.
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One winner from each grade category will be chosen and win a $100 cash prize with a reception to be held in their honor.
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Winners will be announced on NBC29 and alexan.com.
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It runs through Friday, April 19th.
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You can drop or send all entries to Carver Recreation Center under the title My Help List at 233 4th Street NW.
Nikuyah Walker
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Are there any other announcements?
SPEAKER_14
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And we have a couple proclamations.
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Milwaukee, I'd like to defer my proclamation after yours.
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Could we have a moment of silence for the members of the Islamic community, as well as reading yours?
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So if we could have a moment of silence, please, for those affected in New Zealand by the terrorist attack.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
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and we have a proclamation that we want to present tonight.
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In the wake of the horrific terror attacks at the mosque in New Zealand, the Charlottesville City Council reaffirms our commitment to the values of love and peace that led us to declare ourselves a welcoming city in 2016.
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We embrace our Muslim friends and neighbors, we celebrate their vital role in our community and we reject the hatred, extremism and division they have too often had to suffer.
SPEAKER_31
00:13:17
Madam Mayor, I think we have a couple of representatives from the Islamic Society of Central Virginia here to receive this.
Nikuyah Walker
00:13:24
Would you come up please?
SPEAKER_01
00:13:44
Good morning.
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Well, good afternoon and thank you for being here.
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It's our pleasure to be coming here tonight and to talk about how grateful we felt in Charlottesville to be part of this community.
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When I woke up Friday to the news, I initially felt saddened and slightly felt scared of going to the mosque.
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And it's because of the
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these sentiments that have been brewing in our political atmosphere and it's not only anti-Muslim sentiments, it also goes to be anti-Semitic, anti-Hindu, anti-minorities, Blacks and Hispanic.
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These sentiments have been growing lately and this act is not isolated, it's rather reflecting this atmosphere.
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But while this act receives a lot of media attention, what it fails to receive is the generous reactions and contributions that we received to our mosque.
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When I went to Friday prayer, so many new faces, a lot of them are non-Muslim, who came to show support for our community.
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We saw many packets of flowers that were delivered, many kind letters and donations that were received by the mosque.
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And these things fail to grab media attention.
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When we look at the media, we only feel that this environment that we live in is very unwelcoming and unkind to all.
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But the reality is, it's not like that.
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It's very welcoming and very accepting.
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But what this act indicates for us is the amount of hard work that we need to place on creating a welcoming society, a society that accepts all and respects all.
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Thank you.
Michael Payne
00:15:42
Thank you.
SPEAKER_14
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So we have another proclamation for the 2019 Virginia Festival of the Book.
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And is that representative here to receive this proclamation?
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Okay, Ms. Jane is here.
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All right, so whereas the City of Charlottesville believes that
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That literacy is critical to active and engaged citizenship and is committed to promoting reading, writing, and storytelling for all, both within and outside its borders.
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And whereas reading stimulates the creative and intellectual growth of individuals, while also building community through shared experiences, discourse, and understanding.
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and whereas the annual Virginia Festival of the Book draws attendees, authors, illustrators, and publishing professionals from the region, the commonwealth, other states, and indeed the world serving as a significant, economically beneficial event for this area while providing the majority of programs free of charge to attendees and whereas
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Virginia Humanities, the Virginia Center for the Book, the University of Virginia, local businesses and schools, and cultural and civic organizations collaborate with the Virginia Festival of the Book to explore the world through reading, foster empathy for the stories of others, and promote literacy for all.
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and now, therefore, our mayor, Nikuyah Walker, the mayor of the city of Charlottesville hereby proclaims Wednesday, March 20th through Sunday, March 24th, 2019 as the 25th annual Virginia Festival of the Book and encourage community members to participate fully in the wide range of available programs and activities signed on this 18th day of March by our mayor, Nikuyah Walker, and we have Ms. Jane Lotz receive the proclamation.
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Let's give her a round of applause.
SPEAKER_07
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Thank you very much for this proclamation and the recognition.
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We know this is fairly boilerplate, that this is something that's sort of easy for you to get behind, but that does not take away from the fact that we appreciate your support and we appreciate this recognition every year.
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We're grateful for the city's longtime support for the Virginia Festival of the Book.
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We know that city staff and counselors appreciate the value and the impact of the festival that it provides to city residents and to the entire community through accessibility to almost 135 free public programs.
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The diversity and inclusion of speakers and attendees
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author presentations to thousands of Charlottesville students and the many thousands of attendees who travel more than an hour to attend including coming from 40 states and the economic value they provide to local tourism, restaurants and hotels.
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We look forward to seeing you all at the festival this week.
Nikuyah Walker
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Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_14
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And I will say, I know, Ms. Cummings, there's a commitment to talking about equity as well as justice this year.
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And there are several different events dedicated and predicated around both factors.
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So if you can, please come on out and enjoy.
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It's going to be some good stuff throughout the week, so I'm looking forward to seeing you all there.
Nikuyah Walker
00:19:01
All right, thank you.
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Are there any other announcements?
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Okay.
00:19:08
Is there anyone who would like to speak on the consent agenda?
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Ms. Thomas, would you read the consent agenda, please?
Kyna Thomas
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Consent Agenda A Minutes March 4, 2019 Special Meeting March 6, 2019 Special Meeting March 7, 2019 Special Meeting B. Appropriation State Criminal Alien Assistance Program SCAP Grant for 2019 $14,086 First of Two Readings C. Appropriation Domestic Violence Services Coordinator Grant $49,336 First of Two Readings
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Appropriation, Virginia Behavioral Health Docket Grant, $50,000, first of two readings.
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E-Resolution, Capital Funding Transfer for Smith Recreation Center Air Quality Project, $300,000, first of one reading F-Resolution, 10th and Page Park, Land Acquisition, $60,800, first of two readings G-Resolution, VDOT Programmatic Project Administration Agreement, first of one reading
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H, Ordinance, imposition of fee for fire department inspections, second of two readings.
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I, Ordinance, telecommunications franchise to MCI Communications, second of two readings.
Heather Hill
00:20:33
And colleagues, just for the public's benefit, I just wanted to note that the minutes that were posted to be included in our packet originally had to be curtailed just because of some technical issues that we've had with our minutes software.
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So they will be available as soon as possible.
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I just know that they were originally intended to be included in this packet.
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So I just wanted to make sure the public knew that we recognized that those were not included in what she has just read off.
Nikuyah Walker
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I would like to pull B for us to discuss later.
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Any opposed?
SPEAKER_22
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Is there a motion?
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Move to adopt the consent agenda.
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With be pulled.
Nikuyah Walker
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Second.
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Any further questions or comments?
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Please vote.
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So that carries five to zero.
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Next we'll have the response to the community matters from our March 4th meeting by interim city manager, Mr. Mike Murphy.
SPEAKER_04
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Thank you Mayor Walker.
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A few things that have been mentioned at previous council meetings that I want to follow up on this evening.
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The first is the traffic situation which has been of some concern at the Willoughby intersection and we have
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I've been out there doing the striping that has been recommended by the traffic engineer to make the pathway or to make it more clear what the pathway is.
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I believe the residents were concerned that perhaps we didn't have all of the data
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about the number of crashes in that area.
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So we did go back and pull that for the entirety of the last year, March 1 through March 6 of this year.
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And we went two blocks on either side of that intersection.
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In total, there were eight reportable crashes and 14 non-reportable crashes in that area.
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The definition of non-reportable for these purposes is any damage less than $1,500.
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Actually, of the eight reportable crashes in this radius, only four were in the intersection we've been talking about at the council meetings.
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and three of the four were rear end collisions by trailing drivers who were at fault for not paying attention.
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So we do have some good data.
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We're going to continue to look at other solutions because we know that past this one year look back that there was a very serious accident with a fatality there.
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But I do want you to know that we are providing the additional study that we had discussed and that the Traffic Engineering Department and Public Works continue to work on a solution.
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Let's see.
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We discussed benches on the downtown mall and the cultural landscape, making sure that that cultural landscape, when it goes out, analyzes the return of benches and should that happen and where and what that design might be.
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But in the meantime, I had said to you, hey, we've got some of the old benches and we can see just how many of them are serviceable.
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and since they are a design that was already approved by the BAR we wouldn't have to deal with the issue about these backless benches that were installed in front of City Hall and after talking with Mr. Daley it appears we have about 12 of those benches that we could put back into service.
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There are already locations that were predetermined where those benches would be appropriate because as you know the previous city manager in response to some public comment had those benches pulled out
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So I'd be happy to receive Council's feedback, but it would be my inclination to work with Mr. Daley and install those 12 benches.
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And primarily where they went out of were Central Place and down by the Violet Crown.
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Is that correct, Mr. Daley?
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Yeah.
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So we'll look for the locations that are pre-approved.
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They would, as is the case with the other benches on the mall, be bolted down.
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I know that in the way back, they were freestanding, and you could pull them around.
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But with our issues with fire lane access and all that, a decision was made during the re-bricking that they would all be in place.
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Happy to take counsel's feedback on that after I get through these few items
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You all are aware that we've talked about in a couple meetings having a pilot of altering the trolley route.
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And so I want to make you aware of the results of that pilot, which were conducted a week ago today.
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So essentially, we could alter the route and come straight down Main Street onto South Street, making a left hand turn onto Second Street and going straight through the mall crossing.
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This would call for the reversal of traffic on Second Street as currently you have to turn off of water to head up to South and it would be the reverse in this case.
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There are a total of three and possibly four parking spaces that we would need to remove in order to execute this.
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And so the first is as soon as you pull onto South Street, the two hour parking spot that is on South Street, the next is right when you want to turn left in this new traffic pattern, kind of in front of the South Street Inn, and then
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Because we would move the parked traffic from the east side to the west side of Second Street, we would lose one and possibly two spots because of how the street is constructed there.
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Again, this is something I'd love to have Council's input on.
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However, by policy, what we would do is post signs for the next 14 days about the potential of removing those spots, take public comment, and we could either act from a staff perspective at that point or return it to Council based on your pleasure.
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Let's see, there's been some discussion in chambers and of course in the news about the posting of our police data on the interactive website.
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I want to thank Chief Brackney for her work in that regard and make sure that the public and the council are aware
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that immediately after the initial launch we worked towards what our original intent was to incorporate additional demography, chiefly race and gender, and all of that is now active on our website.
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Finally, there's been some discussion here and via email about the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
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We have installed some general parking
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directions or parking signs, about seven or eight of them in that area.
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There is the request for some additional wayfinding.
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And chiefly, what we still need to address is, you know, how do we continue to facilitate better access if that is possible?
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And so we are looking at a number of solutions.
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I know that one of the requests is a roadway and a parking lot.
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There is a both access and cost and design issue there.
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And so we are just be honest, looking at other solutions like bringing people over there by other means of transportation, perhaps through a reservation system in order to facilitate that access.
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So bring you back more on that at a future meeting.
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So if there's any questions you had on those five items, happy to address them now.
Nikuyah Walker
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The efficiency of that, providing transportation too, we don't know that yet.
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You still explore an option.
SPEAKER_04
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Well, that really becomes a policy matter for the council whether they'd like to enhance that service and the cost benefit.
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I think it's the stance of staff that, you know, the memorial was constructed and improved at the time of the Warner construction per ADA standards and so it is suitable in that regard.
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I do realize there's a lot of community discussion right now
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about whether the access point and the parking is too far away.
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And should you want to entertain some solutions, I would say that some sort of shuttle reservation system in a Polaris is going to be a much more effective and efficient use of city resources than it would be to construct a roadway from Melbourne Road all the way across the park or from the YMCA all the way across the park.
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There are many ways to provide the access that's being discussed.
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You know, it would be a matter of the combination of resources and the council's pleasure.
SPEAKER_22
00:30:08
Okay.
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Mayor Walker, I have a question for you.
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Any responses from the public with regards to the use of the pilot bus pilot down South Street?
SPEAKER_04
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I've heard from several people who would be in favor of the idea.
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I did hear from one individual who left me a message at the manager's office that she was not in favor of it and didn't want to have an increase in bus traffic or fumes on South Street.
SPEAKER_22
00:30:38
But overall was there it was mainly positive?
SPEAKER_04
00:30:41
Correct, yes.
Nikuyah Walker
00:30:44
So I would support
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The 14 days and then staff acting, is that where, where are you all at?
SPEAKER_22
00:30:54
On the, on the bus.
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For the trolley it was posting Yeah, I mean I, it sounds like it's a good solution.
SPEAKER_04
00:31:04
Just procedurally, my main point is to confirm with you all that based on the feedback staff will act or do you require another council agenda item?
SPEAKER_22
00:31:13
I think staff acting is.
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I don't see the need for another agenda item.
SPEAKER_04
00:31:18
OK, thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:31:20
And then we have the benches.
SPEAKER_14
00:31:25
Yes, ma'am.
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I would like to proceed forth with the benches.
Nikuyah Walker
00:31:31
Yeah, that's.
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OK, thank you.
SPEAKER_04
00:31:38
All right.
Nikuyah Walker
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So next we have Community Matters.
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The first speaker is Ellen Farina.
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Ellen Farina.
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All right, next we have Harper Willingham.
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Harper Willingham.
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Next we have Liz Reynolds.
SPEAKER_00
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Liz Reynolds, I live in town.
Nikuyah Walker
00:32:36
Good evening.
SPEAKER_00
00:32:39
I'm going to start off by saying that no one has the solution to racial inequity and injustice in this country and that there are a multitude of potential avenues working to decrease the disparities between whites and blacks in this country.
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I'm here to talk about just one of these avenues, the one that has been transformational for me in furthering my awakening as a white person living in the racial hierarchy of our country.
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Since the beginning of 2017, I've participated in a white racial affinity group through the Insight Meditation Community of Charlottesville.
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Although most white people in America are unaware, being white in this country comes with a heaviness, accompanied by a range of very difficult emotions.
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Shame, anger, defensiveness, guilt, frustration, hopelessness, apathy, overwhelm, and sadness, just to name a few.
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In white affinity groups like the one I'm a part of, we create a safe container in which white people, myself definitely included, can reflect, share, and learn about the deeper implications of being in the dominant racial group of this country.
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I've been involved in many racial justice initiatives in my adult life.
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Being a member of a racial affinity group that is based in mindfulness and meditation has been crucial to transitioning me from feelings of deep guilt, hopelessness, and overwhelm about racial injustice to a path of action and determination.
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Having a place where I can talk about the shameful, embarrassing, and politically incorrect thoughts I have and actions I take around race has allowed me to process many of the obstacles that were holding me back from working towards change.
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Since September of last year, I've been leading a class series through Common Ground Healing Arts Center at Jefferson School called A Mindful Exploration of Whiteness.
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It's a meditation-based class that uses Ruth King's work on meditation and racial justice as a foundation.
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I'm speaking to you today because Ruth King is spending several days with us in Charlottesville this week as part of the Festival of the Book.
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Ruth teaches nationally on meditation and racial justice and has been pivotal in leading our local Insight Meditation community to a greater understanding of why our group remains all white.
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And this is a pattern in Charlottesville, the all white institutions.
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Institutions and power structures have been and remain dominated by white people.
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There is much work to do amongst ourselves as white people, those in positions of power both great like the white members of city council and the less powerful but still influential white people like teachers, business owners and retirees in our community.
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I've brought copies of Ruth's book for all the council members, and I encourage you to pass it along, whether you read it or not, to others who might benefit from her wisdom.
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I've also included the dates and times Ruth will be speaking around town this week, and hope that you'll consider attending one of her events.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:35:34
Thank you.
00:35:41
Thank you.
00:35:41
All right, next we have Walt Heineken.
SPEAKER_08
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Hi, I'm Walt Tyneke, 1521 Amherst Street.
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I'm one of two representatives from the People's Coalition on Criminal Justice Reform that's going to be speaking to you tonight, so when I'm done with my statement, be prepared for part two.
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So I just want to point out that next summer,
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The media will inevitably be back in Charlottesville asking questions about what has happened in the wake of 2017 in Charlottesville.
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What have we done?
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How have we responded to the attacks of the white ethno-nationalists and the racists in this town?
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And how have we become awakened to our own complicity in generations of racial discrimination in this town?
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And I think you'll be able to point to at least two crowning policies next summer when that question comes up.
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One of them is your stance on affordable housing, which we'll talk about later.
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But the other one is your support for a civilian review board.
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and oversight of the police.
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So our community has come together to define core elements of what we consider to be a meaningful CRB and that is able to adequately fulfill our city's needs.
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We presented this list to the Interim Police Civilian Review Board during their last meeting, but we believe it's important for the counselors to hear this list as well.
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For each of these elements, we ask that the city attorney give us his opinion of whether it is achievable under current Virginia law in terms of what the CRB task force is presenting.
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If you believe it is not, please provide us with a citation to the authority on which you base the opinion.
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Second, we ask that the city attorney explain how he would advise the CRB to achieve the articulated goals in its bylaws.
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If he believes the precise goal is not possible under Virginia law, he should suggest a mechanism for the bylaws to get as close to the desired end as possible.
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The following are the core elements of what our community considers to be vital powers and responsibility of the CRB.
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Because of limited time, I'll read off the first core elements and you'll hear from our second coalition speaker later.
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Firstly, the CRB membership should reflect Charlottesville's community with particular care given to representation of communities that have historically experienced disparate policing.
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Designating organizations and communities that get reserved seats on the CRB, for example FAR, NAACP, Sin Barreras, Jefferson School, would be desirable.
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The CRB will only have one ex officio retired member from law enforcement.
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The CRB must have investigative power.
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Specifically, the CRB should be able to perform additional investigations of complaints through an investigative staff and have the ability to compel the production of documents and people, witnesses in fact.
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The classic mechanism for this is subpoena power, but we realize other avenues may be necessary.
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Please note the broad definition of document, which includes cell phone and body camera video as well.
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The CRB must have investigative power.
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In addition to our previous points in regard to this, we emphasized lastly that this investigative power must not be limited to determining whether internal affairs work was sufficient, i.e.
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some appellate jurisdiction, the CRB must be able to conduct a full and independent investigation.
00:39:09
Thank you for your time.
Nikuyah Walker
00:39:13
Susan Cruz
SPEAKER_02
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My name is Susan Cruz, and I have been a Charlottesville resident for 20 years.
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In that time, I have been active with both the environmental and social justice community.
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I worked at the Legal Aid Justice Center for 10 years, and I am now the Executive Director of the Charlottesville Climate Collaborative.
00:39:37
The next 10 years will be critical for climate action, and the City of Charlottesville will be setting its emission reduction targets by June of this year.
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Through its climate action planning process, I believe that Charlottesville has the opportunity to stand out as a community not just by setting a leadership goal, but also by the solutions we put forward to address community vulnerabilities.
00:40:01
The intersection between affordable housing, transportation, and fossil fuel emissions is undeniable.
00:40:08
And as global temperatures rise, so will energy costs.
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This will have a disproportionate impact on low income communities who have the least ability to mitigate dramatic temperature shifts with energy efficiency upgrades and clean energy technology.
00:40:24
Charlottesville's Climate Action Plan should address the need to provide sustainable, energy efficient, affordable housing in order to move our whole community forward.
00:40:35
The first public comment period for city residents to weigh in on community-wide emissions reduction goal closed at midnight last night.
00:40:43
The Charlottesville Climate Collaborative submitted three letters in that comment period.
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The first was on behalf of 41 local for-profit and non-profit businesses, representing nearly 3,000 employees, including businesses such as Centaur Martha Jefferson Hospital, the CFA Institute,
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Champion Brewery, and nonprofits such as Virginia Organizing and the Legal Aid Justice Center.
00:41:06
We submitted the second letter on behalf of seven independent schools, including the International School, Peabody School, and Village School.
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The final letter was submitted on behalf of 827 citizens, 422 of which were city residents.
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Each letter asks the city to set a leadership emissions reduction goal of 45% by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2050.
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Each letter also asks that the city conduct an emissions inventory every two years to keep us on track.
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The Charlottesville Climate Collaborative is well positioned to work with businesses who are ready to invest in sustainable practices,
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schools who are educating the next generation of climate leaders, and nonprofit organizations advocating for affordable housing, energy efficiency, food security, and climate justice.
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We believe that our work can support city and county leaders by convening sectors and developing common sense policy solutions.
00:42:03
2019 is an important year for climate action in Charlottesville, but the next 10 years will truly determine whether or not citizens and local governments capitalize on this momentum to lead our whole community forward.
00:42:15
I am looking forward to working with each of you and city staff to build a climate action plan that builds energy independence, stimulates our economy, and protects vulnerable residents and our planet.
Nikuyah Walker
00:42:25
Thank you.
00:42:26
Thank you.
00:42:30
I'm Mary Carey.
SPEAKER_24
00:42:40
Good evening.
00:42:44
Good evening, Mayor Walker, Mary Carey, city resident, as you know.
00:42:56
Thank you, Mr. Murphy, for getting this pilot started.
00:43:00
I think more people will get on board once they get the literature out because
00:43:09
I talked to a lot of people last week that rides the trolley that gets off at 4th and Main and have to walk to Friendship Court and Reed Street and Dice Street and stuff.
00:43:22
So by that trolley coming down South, we just saved them a couple steps.
00:43:27
And like I was saying earlier, I saw
00:43:32
One of those big buses come out of Second Street the other day, 65 Passchner, take that wide turn and go down South Street, so I know it can be done.
00:43:44
Last month was Black History Month, and Ms. Galvin, I was thinking that you might have had the decency to apologize for what you said in November about Venable Hill and Starr Hill being one and the same,
00:43:59
But I don't know why you didn't do it.
00:44:03
It would have been appropriate.
00:44:05
And Ms. Reynolds stated a lot of things about black disparities and things and how people feel about things like that.
00:44:16
That's black history.
00:44:17
You don't cross that line.
00:44:18
You ought to leave a lane when you do that.
00:44:21
But all you had to do was just come out and say, I misspoke.
00:44:28
And I would like to let the black community know that I didn't speak about that.
00:44:34
It wouldn't have took no skin off you.
00:44:37
And see, when you go to Richmond with you trying to throw your hat in the rain to be a delegate, you got to understand there's a lot of people that live in Richmond from Charlottesville that know what you said and don't like it.
00:44:50
and a lot of people in Charlottesville that are voters, black people and white people that know what you said, don't like it.
00:44:59
And when you start going around talking about black history and you read it somewhere, I lived it.
00:45:06
And I'm still living it.
00:45:08
24-7, 365 plus one sometime.
00:45:14
And see,
00:45:16
I got this green off because I'm a leprechaun.
00:45:19
I got this green on because this represents Jackson P. Burley High School, which I attended, and see a lot of my classmates from there didn't like what you said, Ms. Gavin.
00:45:31
It's not that nobody don't like you, because if they don't, hey, I'm Kevin.
00:45:36
but I don't like what you said and November and this is March and we're still waiting on our apology if we can wait for 450 years for freedom we can wait a couple more months for you to apologize so when people that's looking at this go to the polls to vote remember what I just said remember your black history and remember how many people have
00:46:06
I tried to put it down and don't respect it because I respect mine and I'm going to stand as tall as I can.
00:46:14
And Mr. Bellamy, you should back me up.
00:46:17
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:46:24
Harold Polley.
SPEAKER_14
00:46:29
Good afternoon.
00:46:33
I give my time to Lynn.
SPEAKER_37
00:46:37
Hello, my name is Lynn, City of Charlottesville, and I am the second representative for the People's Coalition.
00:46:45
In continuing with the community's list of core elements of what we consider to be a meaningful CRB that is able to adequately fulfill our city's needs, I continue where our previous speaker left off.
00:46:57
Again, I would like to reiterate that for each... Oh, can you hear me now?
00:47:03
I'm short.
00:47:03
Okay, thank you.
00:47:05
Again, I would like to reiterate that for each of these elements, we ask that the City Attorney 1.
00:47:10
Give us his opinion of whether it is achievable under current Virginia law.
00:47:15
If you believe it is not, please provide a citation to the authority on which you base the opinion.
00:47:20
And 2.
00:47:21
Explain how he would advise the CRB.
00:47:24
to achieve the articulated goal in its bylaws.
00:47:27
If he believes the precise goal is not possible under Virginia law, he should suggest a mechanism for the bylaws to get as close to the desired end result as possible.
00:47:37
Continuing with the community list of core elements, all police misconduct cases will come before the CRB with the full authority to resolve complaints against officers, including taking disciplinary action up to and including dismissal.
00:47:53
If this is not possible, please explain who must retain final disciplinary authority and why.
00:48:01
In addition, we prioritize the ability to make public robust data on policing.
00:48:07
This involves monthly supervisory review of stop and frisk data, including CRB access to both summary reporting and raw numbers.
00:48:17
and 14 days after a complaint is lodged, the department must make a publicly accessible statement of what actions have been taken and why.
00:48:28
Also, the CRB must have adequate staffing and resources to fulfill its mandate.
00:48:34
This includes, but is not limited to, the ability to access outside counsel, aka lawyers other than the city attorney, for the CRB when necessary, and for its auditing arm, hiring a staff person to do the auditing.
00:48:49
And for our final two points, the CRB will report to
00:48:52
and answer to the mayor and city council.
00:48:55
And the CRB will be provided with semi-annual reports from the police department related to officer diversity and use of force training and annual reports on minority officer recruitment and hiring.
00:49:09
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
00:49:17
ideal act on.
00:49:21
Hi.
SPEAKER_34
00:49:21
Good evening, everyone.
00:49:22
My name is Edie Lockton.
00:49:23
I'm one of the city residents.
00:49:25
I'm here representing the Human Rights Commission of Charlottesville.
00:49:29
As you know, the Human Rights Commission acts as an advisory body to the city council and matters pertaining to human and civil rights.
00:49:35
Affordable and safe housing is one of those topics most frequently addressed by the commission, largely because there are frequent client encounters in the Office of Human Rights that try to address this issue.
00:49:46
We have reviewed the Charlottesville Supplemental Rental Assistance Program,
00:49:52
that provides monetary support to those in low income households to pay for housing.
00:49:57
The Human Rights Commission has endorsed a resolution to continue, expand and review the Charlottesville Supplemental Rental Assistance Program or CSRAP.
00:50:09
The resolution has stressed four key points.
00:50:11
The first is to continue to provide funding to current CSRAP recipients.
00:50:16
The second is to expand funding to cover all vouchers that are already provided.
00:50:21
The third is to expand funding to cover applicants who are currently on the waiting list for vouchers.
00:50:26
And the fourth is to ask for accountability of the program with a review of the CSRAP.
00:50:32
We advocate that the City Council budget include continued funding for those citizens that already have received vouchers for rental assistance.
00:50:40
According to figures from the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority, or CRHA, which I'll refer to as such,
00:50:47
From January 31st of 2019, there are 77 households currently living in housing supported by CSRAP.
00:50:55
According to CHRA, it will cost $627,000 to continue to support these families in the fiscal year of 2020.
00:51:04
CRHA reports that 16 additional households have received vouchers and are currently searching for housing and current funds do not fully cover the number of awarded CSRAP vouchers.
00:51:18
We recommend the appropriation of additional funding to provide for all families who have already been given vouchers for the 2019 fiscal year.
00:51:25
According to figures provided by CRHA, this would include appropriation of $131,000 for the fiscal year of 2019.
00:51:34
Additionally, we support increasing the funding for CSRAP in the 2020 fiscal year.
00:51:39
At the end of January, CRHA reported 28 households are on the waiting list for vouchers.
00:51:45
Supporting these individuals in the fiscal year of 2020 would require an additional $229,000.
00:51:50
So to reiterate, to cover all voucher holders who are still searching for housing in this fiscal year of 2019, that would require an appropriation of $131,000.
00:52:01
to cover all current voucher holders plus those on the waiting list requires a total budgeted amount of $987,000 for the fiscal year of 2020.
00:52:12
And finally, our resolution supports a thorough review and assessment of CSRAP by the Neighborhood Development Services.
00:52:19
We recommend this review to be done prior to funding appropriations with the goal to ensure that the figures are current and accurate
00:52:26
and that the program is functioning as prescribed by the city of Charlottesville affordable housing fund CSRAP grant agreement.
00:52:34
At this time, I would like to invite all audience members who are in support of continuing and expanding the CSRAP program to please stand or snap.
00:52:46
And thank you for your time and attention.
00:52:48
I greatly appreciate it.
Nikuyah Walker
00:52:49
Thank you.
SPEAKER_14
00:52:51
So just for FYI, I'm the council rep on the Housing Authority Board.
00:52:58
It's currently in the budget for us to continue funding the vouchers.
00:53:02
And I think it's a discussion that we'll have to have with the Housing Authority.
00:53:10
Mr. Duffield isn't here, but I see Mr. Collins from FAR.
00:53:15
In terms of expanding, because I don't think council has got that direct request, have we?
00:53:22
So we would probably need to, from the housing authority board, place that on our agenda and then send that request to council.
00:53:31
It's my opinion, since I've been on the housing authority board, council has been rather generous in terms of ensuring that the housing authority gets the funding that they need.
00:53:41
So it's just that in terms of continuing that we just have to follow the process.
00:53:46
So I'll speak with Mr. Duffield or Mr. Collins and some of my colleagues on the Housing Authority Board about the way in which we want to go in order to see some of the increase come to fruition.
00:53:57
But I think we have to have a discussion about that first because there's some other things that we're working on as a Housing Authority Board that may complicate that.
00:54:08
Yeah.
SPEAKER_31
00:54:10
If it's okay, Mayor Walker.
SPEAKER_04
00:54:12
So, thank you for the comments from the Human Rights Commissioner.
00:54:17
This is an area that I was aware you all would be coming forward, so I've been asking questions both of our staff and Mr. Duffield.
00:54:25
We actually have a meeting scheduled for next Friday, which is the 28th?
00:54:30
27th.
00:54:33
8th, 9th, somewhere in there.
00:54:35
Next Friday, how about that?
00:54:36
10 a.m. And so I will say that upon the initial examination based on the dates at which council has appropriated monies in the past that all of the figures that are being discussed and the numbers of people who are receiving rental assistance are your FY 18 appropriation.
00:55:00
which means, as I've discussed with Mr. Duffield just last week, the entirety of $945,000 is available in this fiscal year for the remaining three months.
00:55:10
So there is no shortage of funds.
00:55:13
We would need to move that money out of the CAF, Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund, and appropriate it at a council meeting.
00:55:22
But that's not been requested by the Housing Authority at this time.
00:55:26
So I want to say that, you know,
00:55:27
$900,000 is level funded in our proposed budget for all five of the years.
00:55:34
So I would say that when you look at the $131,000 or the $200,000 plus and having the entirety of over $900,000 available for only one quarter, that we are well positioned to not only take care of the needs of the people in the program, but to lease additional folks moving forward.
00:55:55
I want to caution that I'm very interested in an audit of the program.
00:56:00
I'm working with staff on that because here is my concern as somebody who's interested in appropriately housing people and making sure they get the support that they need.
00:56:10
Most best practice in any kind of housing or supplemental rental assistance
00:56:16
would give you the capacity at least should you need it to serve people for up to 24 months and as it stands right now we did spend a lot of money in the first year without having the backstop but as it looks as though we've tapped none of the 19 money we find ourselves in good shape so we'll make sure that going forward that anybody who gets a lease
00:56:39
If they have the circumstances where they continue to need rental assistance for us, that that is, as we continue to recertify folks, possible for them to get that for up to two years.
00:56:49
There will be people who will move or not need assistance for the full 24 months and we need to be carefully tracking that in an audit so that we know when to unencumber those funds and allow new people to get leased up.
00:57:02
So this is definitely top of mind and I do think we have adequate funding to take care of the request.
SPEAKER_22
00:57:09
Thank you, Mr. Murphy, for being on top of that.
00:57:13
Thank you.
00:57:15
Tanisha Hudson.
Tanesha Hudson
00:57:20
Don't push the button yet.
00:57:21
Thank you all for that.
00:57:23
voucher stuff.
00:57:25
People appreciate it, the community appreciate it.
00:57:28
Tanisha Hudson, 711 Prospect Avenue.
00:57:31
I want to talk about a couple different things.
00:57:33
One, Mr. Swingler who runs Rose Hill Market is requesting that two parking spaces on Rose Hill be designated for 15 minute parking so that people can come in and out of Rose Hill Market and Jones Heaton and Ayer because the little
00:57:48
Cafe on Dale Avenue and Rose Hill Market.
00:57:51
A lot of the people that go there are taking parking spaces.
00:57:54
People are actually staying in these places and people can't park to get to his store.
00:57:58
And we have similar parking setups in Belmont, Grady Avenue, and other little convenience store locations all throughout Charlottesville.
00:58:07
The next thing is we do a lot of conversating about climate change and making Charlottesville a green city.
00:58:14
Open source recycling is a place that takes a lot of old computers and computer equipment from different businesses and they recycle them and they pass them out to low income people who can't afford technology.
00:58:27
They've been really grasping for some type of funding so that they can find a building since they've been displaced out of Virginia organizing due to politics.
00:58:38
So I think that's something that the city should definitely consider funding.
00:58:41
I mean, there's no recycling place near Charlottesville.
00:58:45
So when you think about dumping old computers, old laptops, once you actually swipe the information off of them, they're willing to take that equipment
00:58:54
and then repair it and pass it out to people that need it.
00:58:57
And not only do they give them a laptop or a computer, they fix it and replace it if it breaks or anything.
00:59:06
The next thing is property taxes in the city of Charlottesville, because a lot of family members of mine are affected by this.
00:59:13
If we're going to increase assessments due to new developments and new buildings being put up around certain neighborhoods, we have to levy, you know, the
00:59:24
the tax levy needs to increase so if right now the income limit I'm just making up a number because I don't know the number if the limit is $30,000 right but 65 is it 65 okay we probably need
00:59:42
Oh, 65 is that?
Nikuyah Walker
00:59:45
It's 50,000 right now.
00:59:45
50,000?
SPEAKER_04
00:59:46
Okay.
Tanesha Hudson
00:59:48
Can we get it up to about 65 or maybe 66 for people who, cause I mean we got to think about gentrification right?
00:59:57
Like this is one of the reasons why the city has been successful with allowing gentrification to happen.
01:00:02
Taxes has always played a part.
01:00:04
If you look at the Starr Hill community, if you look at the Vinegar Hill community, if you look at certain communities, we know that this is the reason why they were able to take people property.
01:00:13
And I had a meeting with some of you gentlemen, and you know I found some information that proved that very point on how they were going into these communities, Cedar Street, Run Street, Page Street.
01:00:25
Pearl Street and taking people property because they owe $25 worth of taxes at the time.
01:00:30
We don't want to allow that to happen moving forward.
01:00:33
We want to do our best to try to keep the Natives in the communities in which they chose to purchase their homes.
01:00:40
Thank y'all.
01:00:41
Y'all doing good.
01:00:42
You know what?
01:00:43
Sorry, I need like 10 extra seconds.
01:00:45
Not everybody may be happy, but I feel like y'all are trying to right some of y'all wrongs and I think people in the audience need to give the council, the city manager, and everybody credit because they are doing some positive things.
01:01:00
Whether people like it or not, I'm gonna say it, some of y'all ain't never gonna be happy.
Nikuyah Walker
01:01:05
But they are doing good things.
01:01:06
Thank y'all.
01:01:08
Rosia Parker.
SPEAKER_14
01:01:12
Must be freezing outside.
01:01:16
We got a compliment from Tanisha Hudson.
01:01:20
Check the weather.
Rosia Parker
01:01:21
Where's the Dave Rogers?
01:01:25
It is cold outside.
01:01:26
Mighty, mighty cold.
01:01:28
But good afternoon.
01:01:29
Good evening.
01:01:30
I want to talk about Rosie.
01:01:33
I'm Rosie Parker, AKA Rosie Parker.
01:01:36
I want to see me tonight.
01:01:38
But I'm coming to you, Mr. Murphy, again about 8th and Main.
01:01:42
8th and Main is still, this has been three years, and it still has not been solved.
01:01:48
Even though it's been told that it's been solved, the problem still has not been solved.
01:01:53
It's still more dangerous to get across that street.
01:01:56
I'm tired of bringing it to City Council.
01:01:58
I'm tired of hearing about all these other different neighborhoods getting all this good lookout, you know, with the crosswalks and traffic, this, that, and the third.
01:02:07
I need that to be fixed.
01:02:11
CRB.
01:02:14
I need the Chief to apologize to the CRB board because still, like I say, I own minds when I'm wrong or I'm right.
01:02:28
But when you have my whole board looking bad for something that the chief felt that two individuals are doing, call us out by name.
01:02:41
Don't call my whole board out and make my whole board look bad saying that the CRB is what's keeping the police officers from being hired when it's y'all's incompetency of paying y'all's officers.
01:02:55
Not only that,
01:02:57
The data that was given last week just before the CRB meeting, as a citizen I'm not happy with that.
01:03:05
Don't put it in the paper as a CRB member, as a citizen, put that no link.
01:03:10
I'm not happy with that because that felt that to me that was just thrown out there and I would like to know when is that process gonna start?
01:03:17
Was that process supposed to start particularly that day that it went out or when is that process gonna you know start because I haven't seen it been taken care of in any form or fashion of the process and the data that was given at that CRB meeting.
01:03:34
Two,
01:03:36
Y'all talk about how the CRB supposedly, like I said in that paper when we was made to look bad, well let me go back on your officers.
01:03:46
If we want transparency, we all need to be on one accord because when I have two officers coming at me in a CRB meeting that we weren't arguing about knowing, we was having a disagreement, I need not to be
01:04:04
I came as an activist.
01:04:07
I was an activist before I became a CRB member.
01:04:10
I was a community leader and a community organizer before I did anything.
01:04:15
But when I'm being told that it's not my right that I can't say what I want at a protest,
01:04:22
and I'm wrong and I'm this and I'm that.
01:04:25
And then when one of my members have to speak on to another officer and tell them that you're not going to disrespect two black women in here, we have a serious problem within your ranks of your police department.
01:04:38
So I think that needs to come under control.
01:04:41
with your police department.
01:04:43
And as far as city managers, we need to have a damn good city manager that comes in here.
01:04:47
Because if you keep holding up the wrongs of what your police department is doing, I think that is serious a problem.
Nikuyah Walker
01:04:55
So, Ms. Parker, I have a question about the, could you?
Rosia Parker
01:04:59
It was one of your lieutenants, matter of fact.
Nikuyah Walker
01:05:01
The data?
Rosia Parker
01:05:02
Yes, ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
01:05:03
What was the concern?
Rosia Parker
01:05:04
This is the way that it was presented.
01:05:06
The way that everything came out, particularly just before that CRB meeting in general.
01:05:12
Like, we should have had that information before that day because, like I say, when did that process start?
01:05:19
Is that process starting when it was launched?
01:05:22
the new process of the complaint procedure.
01:05:26
How is it going to be done?
01:05:27
Was that when that was sent, that data that was presented at that meeting, was that when that that whole process took place or when is that process going to take place?
01:05:37
Because that process has not been in place all this time.
SPEAKER_26
01:05:44
Do you have your chief back here?
Rosia Parker
01:05:51
Can we ask the Chief when did that process start?
SPEAKER_04
01:05:58
Ms. Parker, I'll just say that thus far all the responses that I've heard from the CRB about the Chief's presentation last Tuesday were positive.
01:06:08
I'm happy to take your feedback.
Rosia Parker
01:06:10
But not all, that's what I'm saying, not all of us were happy because like I said as a citizen and being still in those areas
01:06:18
That don't affect my whole CRB board.
01:06:21
It affects me as a citizen.
01:06:23
I'm speaking as a citizen, not a CRB member.
01:06:26
So that's what I'm saying.
01:06:27
When did that policy take effect?
01:06:30
When it was presented that day?
01:06:32
Or has that policy been in effect this whole time?
01:06:35
That's what we need to know.
SPEAKER_04
01:06:37
As we have discussed, you know, previously last Friday or whenever we most recently had a media discussion about reforms in the police department after Chief Brackney came here in June and after we got past August she set herself to a complete review of department protocols including internal affairs and including transparency with the data
01:07:03
and so all of those have been in the works for some time.
01:07:07
They did not happen simultaneous to your meeting on Tuesday.
Rosia Parker
01:07:10
Well obviously the complaint process must have happened simultaneously because we have been coming back a couple of times in the last few months since January continually bringing back
01:07:23
asking about what's going on with the complaint process.
01:07:27
Why are things being regenerated?
01:07:28
Why are things being this and why are things being that?
01:07:31
But what was presented to us is not saying that these are the things that are being done.
01:07:36
It's saying that these processes are going forward as if nothing has been wrong with what's been going on with the complaint process.
01:07:44
That is false.
SPEAKER_04
01:07:46
We're in complete agreement that the closure of cases during 2017-2018 were unacceptable and that the Chief has taken steps to change the process.
Rosia Parker
01:07:57
But as a citizen, I understand that y'all are saying that it was whatever you're saying it is, but still something still isn't right because
01:08:07
The citizens of Charlottesville still do not know what the indication, what took place.
01:08:14
I mean, you can't say with personnel files, I understand that, but still as a citizen, we do not know what is being, what is the disciplinary actions that are being taken with the police officers.
01:08:27
We don't feel that it's helping us any because all it's doing is going around in internal affairs and it goes back to you.
01:08:34
So as a citizen,
01:08:38
As a citizen, we still need to have, like ditto to Walt and what Lynn said about these reports that need to go out.
01:08:45
We need to have that because what she said and what's being done, it's not.
Nikuyah Walker
01:08:50
So your complaint now is that you don't, you all are requesting to know what the actions are on complaints.
Rosia Parker
01:09:03
Okay, now what I'm saying is what was presented to us in the CRB meeting is not the process of what's been going on in the complaint procedure.
01:09:18
What we're saying is, this is what I'm saying now, this is what I'm asking, when did that policy start?
01:09:26
Because that's why I say, did it start the day that it was launched, as he said, when it came out to the CRB?
01:09:33
Because we've been to this mic quite a few times since January, bringing the same stuff back up about these complaints.
01:09:43
And even in the reports of certain things from
01:09:48
The Chief.
01:09:51
What was presented is not running concurrent as to what's being told to us as citizens what was presented and actually the actual process.
Nikuyah Walker
01:10:01
Okay, so could you and Mr. Murphy connect to see?
Rosia Parker
01:10:05
I don't have no problem.
01:10:06
That's why I asked, when did this start?
01:10:08
That's why I was asking, would he be able to ask her when it started?
01:10:12
Because it started that particular day as a citizen and the citizens who listen to what was presented from the newspaper, a lot of us, not just saying me in particular, we're not seeing that.
SPEAKER_04
01:10:25
I'll just say that we have made some changes to the process in order to improve the citizen response and in order to be transparent.
01:10:39
It's my understanding that those same files that the CRB received are online and as each case is closed they will be updated and it will be known what the disposition of each of the cases were.
01:10:51
Will you know
01:10:52
In the case where somebody was there was a sustained finding what the discipline was for a particular officer, you will not but you will know in each case with each day whether it was sustained, exonerated, etc.
Rosia Parker
01:11:03
That's the problem because a lot of everything has always been exonerated, exonerated, exonerated, exonerated.
01:11:10
So you're saying that you all don't agree with the outcome and that's the question.
01:11:14
Exactly.
01:11:15
Okay, so
01:11:16
because everybody is being exonerated so it's made to seem that the citizens are lying as they're putting these complaints.
Nikuyah Walker
01:11:24
So I was in the room when the chief went through the list and read that there were actually cases that had been sustained too.
Rosia Parker
01:11:33
Yeah but not as many.
01:11:35
Very, very, very little.
01:11:37
Very little.
01:11:38
But I'm just saying, compared to what's been shown and the complaints that have been put forth, not only with, you know, I'm not talking about Miss
01:11:47
Turner's complaints.
01:11:49
I'm talking about other ones that have went, you know, that we have been dealing with.
01:11:53
And it's, you know, they're not saying the same thing.
01:11:56
And it, like we said, we're steady coming back with the, you know, the generated every 30 days, you know, generation, generation.
01:12:02
So what she is saying that it's not coming through this way.
01:12:06
But that's what I'm saying.
01:12:07
What was presented and what was told how the process goes is not how the process is actually going.
01:12:14
So that's why I'm just trying to ask, when did the process start?
Nikuyah Walker
01:12:18
Thank you.
01:12:20
Peter.
Peter Krebs
01:12:26
Good evening, Peter Krebs, Piedmont Environmental Council and City Resident.
01:12:32
First of all, I wanted to just endorse that trolley reroute pilot.
01:12:38
I think it's a great idea and I love when you guys just try stuff, right?
01:12:43
Tonight, I just wanted to talk about two opportunities that are bike pedestrian related this week.
01:12:50
This Wednesday, Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission is hosting a public meeting on the 5th Street Trails Project.
01:12:58
The scope of the project's changed a little bit, and they're going to talk about it and have a discussion.
01:13:05
That's Wednesday, 4.30 to 6 at TJPBC's Water Street Center, which is 407 East Water Street.
01:13:13
The second event is Friday evening.
01:13:17
PUC is co-hosting a social with Safe Routes to School at Three Notched Brewery and Restaurant.
01:13:28
There will be volunteers fixing up the city's school's bike fleet and people ask me, do the city schools actually have bikes for the kids?
01:13:37
And the answer is yes, they do.
01:13:39
They'll be fixing up the bikes and a portion of all sales will go to buy more bikes for city schools.
SPEAKER_03
01:13:47
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
01:13:48
Thank you.
01:13:48
Thank you.
01:13:52
I'm Ken Edwards.
01:14:05
Good evening.
SPEAKER_10
01:14:07
Good evening.
01:14:10
How y'all doing?
01:14:14
My name's Ken or Kendrick Edwards.
01:14:17
I am a city resident.
01:14:19
I am here this evening to talk about the rising tax assessments.
01:14:25
The rising tax assessments need to stop.
01:14:30
because many people have been displaced from their homes and or will be displaced or forced to sail.
01:14:40
Let me just share with you how fast my assessments number have changed over the years.
01:14:48
Y'all ready?
01:14:48
1997, 55,000, 2,058,
01:14:59
60,000, 64,000, 121,000, 183,000, 2005, 220,000, 2006, 269,000, 2007, 311,000, 2008, 342,000.
01:15:07
It dropped a little bit in 2010, 2011, 301,000,
01:15:30
2012, 312,000.
01:15:32
Let me move up a little bit.
01:15:36
325, 2017, 338, 2018, 365, and 2019, 414.
Rosia Parker
01:15:42
Just want to share a little story with you.
SPEAKER_10
01:15:50
My oldest brother lives in Oklahoma.
01:15:53
and he has 80 acres.
01:15:55
And I know Oklahoma is not Charlottesville, but he has 80 acres, two houses and a barn on it.
01:16:03
The last time I checked with him, I paid more than he did on his taxes.
01:16:10
And he has 80 acres and I have .1620 of an acre.
01:16:18
Let me share with you what else needs to be looked at.
01:16:20
Some years ago, my wife Holly, that's the mayor's friend, went to an open house.
01:16:27
And as soon as we walked in, the realtor told us, this house has been sold.
01:16:32
And the realtor goes on to say, and the people who bought the house basically started bidding on the house.
01:16:42
It could have been $100,000, but after they finished and somebody came in with a whole lot more money, they could have paid $200,000 or $300,000, which I know factors into the tax assessment.
01:16:55
Because tax assessments are based on the price the houses sell around.
01:16:59
So when you got people coming in who have a whole lot more money than many people in this city, that's a problem.
01:17:07
Some folks from other areas are so desperate to live in Charlottesville that they'll pay anything.
01:17:13
You can't expect people that work at UVA, restaurants, school teachers, police officers, EMT, fire departments, personnel, rent, to be able to purchase a home with skyrocketing assessments.
01:17:26
So we need to look at that.
01:17:28
And I also encourage you to partner to help folks become homeowners by partnering with Habitat.
01:17:35
In other words, hook them up with some dinero.
01:17:41
Thank you and please look at those high rising tax investments.
01:17:46
One more thing, somebody tore down a house not too far from me and built a new one.
01:17:51
Guess what the tax assessment on the new house is?
01:17:53
620,000.
01:17:55
Used to be able to buy a house in Belmont for $60,000.
01:17:59
Have a good night.
Nikuyah Walker
01:18:06
Myra Anderson.
01:18:08
So is there anyone else who would like to speak?
SPEAKER_32
01:18:31
Thanks for the opportunity to address council this evening.
01:18:33
I wanted to talk about the city's climate policy and our recently closed comment period on the greenhouse gas emissions report.
01:18:41
This is a great time to be addressing climate change.
01:18:43
There's been a lot of research that has come out recently both at the federal level and the international level showing the importance of addressing it urgently and the challenge of going ahead and doing so in a way that will leave a just, equitable, habitable planet for our children.
01:18:59
Like many others who have come before me, I want to emphasize that the city should be a leader in adopting aggressive climate goals and we should have regular targets that we go ahead and monitor on a biannual or other regular basis.
01:19:14
But I don't want to reiterate what a lot of other people have addressed to Council before.
01:19:17
I want to talk about a specific issue that hasn't been addressed much and that our policies seem to run counter to.
01:19:24
Specifically, it's our ownership of a fossil fuel utility, Charlottesville Gas.
01:19:29
We operate it like a conventional fossil fuel utility.
01:19:32
We provide incentives for the adoption of fossil fuel infrastructure.
01:19:37
And we spend advertising dollars to go ahead and incentivize its use.
01:19:42
Last fall, as it does every couple of years, this Charlottesville Gas went ahead and sent out mailers to non-gas customers, such as myself within the Charlottesville Gas service area.
01:19:54
extolling the supposed benefits of gas usage in homes and encouraging the installation of gas-fired appliances.
01:20:02
We continue to offer free hookups to gas service for residences in the area, a subsidy of several hundred dollars per residence.
01:20:12
So we both spend money advertising these fossil fuels and we incentivize their adoption by providing infrastructure free of charge to homeowners.
01:20:20
There once was a time when natural gas may have been the cleaner fuel from a climate perspective, but those days have passed.
01:20:28
As our grid has gotten cleaner, as we've added wind and solar and we've retired a lot of coal plants, electric options are by far cleaner than natural gas furnaces, water heaters.
01:20:39
Heat pumps, heat pump water heaters, electric conduction stoves, they're both better for indoor air quality.
01:20:44
and they're both better from a climate perspective.
01:20:46
Nonetheless, we continue to go ahead and advertise and incentivize natural gas adoption.
01:20:51
That trend is only going to continue as the grid gets cleaner, as we add more wind, solar and low carbon resources.
01:21:00
There's a growing recognition that electrification of building appliances is going to be an essential and cost effective step in addressing any sort of aggressive climate goals.
01:21:11
The Public Utilities Commissions of California and Massachusetts have emphasized building electrification.
01:21:17
The government of the United Kingdom recently proposed a ban on natural gas fired home heating appliances starting in 2025.
01:21:29
So this is not just the activists proposing these changes.
01:21:33
These are the bureaucrats speaking in this manner.
01:21:36
So I have three recommendations for the city and with respect to Charlottesville Gas.
01:21:40
One, stop incentivizing fossil fuel usage.
01:21:43
Remove our incentives for going ahead and installing infrastructure.
01:21:47
Switch the incentives.
01:21:48
Encourage the use of cleaner electric-based
01:21:51
appliances such as heat pumps and pump water heaters.
01:21:54
And three commits to a zero carbon future for Charlottesville gas.
01:21:59
Get us off of natural gas and reduce the demand for it and switch to a clean, renewable fuel for home heating.
Nikuyah Walker
01:22:07
Thank you.
01:22:12
Do we have Jehu Martin?
01:22:16
Andrea Massey.
01:22:19
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
SPEAKER_41
01:22:28
Very briefly, my name is Jeff Fogel.
01:22:31
I live in Belmont.
01:22:33
I just wanted to respond to Mr. Murphy's comments about transparency because I see that as one of the principal issues in Charlottesville.
01:22:41
Mr. Murphy and I think this probably applies to a lot of you and other people in the city leadership who have misused the term transparency.
01:22:48
Complying with the law is not transparency.
01:22:52
and that's all you're saying is that public information which is required to be kept and given to the public by the police department is proof of transparency.
01:23:02
It's not.
01:23:03
What's proof of transparency is when you give up something that FOIA doesn't require you to give up.
01:23:08
So far the city claims transparency and all it does is comply with the law and you call it transparency.
01:23:15
That's not transparency, that's called complying with the law.
01:23:19
Let's use transparency for its intended purpose, which is to show us things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to see.
01:23:25
And that's what's consistently the issue with the police department and in many other respects with this community.
01:23:32
Now one of the things that was learned at the last CRB meeting was this notion that you could not reveal anything in anybody's personnel file is not a requirement of law.
01:23:42
It's a policy decision apparently that was made by the city manager, which is apparently not reflected in any writing, in any minutes that I'm aware of, or in any other discussion.
01:23:54
So the question is, should we have a policy that further limits transparency?
01:24:00
Is that what Charlottesville stands for?
01:24:04
Because that's what's happened as a result of the policy of the city manager's office.
01:24:10
Do you see that changing?
01:24:11
Do you see yourself getting at least equal to what the task is?
01:24:15
Do you see yourself actually giving us transparency?
01:24:18
Do you see yourself taking away a rule that's been established by your office that is not reflected in any writing and has no source?
01:24:26
Those are my questions.
Nikuyah Walker
01:24:32
So I would say since I was at the CRB meeting that right after the CRB meeting Chief Brackney and I had the discussion.
01:24:39
The city attorney had made a statement in the meeting and we haven't met yet.
01:24:49
to discuss what the possibilities are because we haven't had time since the meeting, but the discussions did start based on the statement, the presentation, the statement that was made.
01:25:04
So I know that people like things with snap of fingers, but there are people that are listening, asking questions, asking for clarification, and trying to come up with solutions.
01:25:17
There doesn't seem to be a space for the fact that there's a process to things.
01:25:24
I don't think anybody's trying to hide anything.
01:25:26
We're discussing it.
01:25:30
Yes, I am.
01:25:31
There was a presentation.
SPEAKER_41
01:25:33
So there was a presentation.
Nikuyah Walker
01:25:37
The city attorney made a statement.
01:25:41
We are now having discussions about how to make
01:25:45
and what we can make happen is a discussion.
01:25:48
So unless we come back and say nothing has come of that discussion, I don't think anybody should be thinking that we're trying to hide something because we started having a discussion right after the meeting.
01:26:00
You all haven't met again.
01:26:03
the CRB hasn't met again and so I think there's just the level of impatience and to just say that we are doing the same things that's been done.
01:26:14
Transparency I don't think and I am actually questioning that because even with what I thought coming in that it could mean how irrational some people including you Jeff have been has been
01:26:31
Quite harmful to a lot of processes.
SPEAKER_41
01:26:33
Irrational about what?
Nikuyah Walker
01:26:36
Jeff.
SPEAKER_41
01:26:37
Nikuyah.
Nikuyah Walker
01:26:38
Yes.
01:26:39
Completely irrational.
01:26:42
Okay.
01:26:43
Yes.
SPEAKER_41
01:26:44
That's a ridiculous statement.
01:26:45
That's fine.
01:26:46
You just can't throw them.
Nikuyah Walker
01:26:47
That's fine.
01:26:48
I wouldn't throw them out about you.
01:26:50
Okay.
01:26:50
Well, apparently that's not the case.
01:26:52
I just had started a conversation with you about your statements.
01:26:58
So anyway, we are attempting to work on it.
01:27:03
We are attempting to have the conversation based on what's allowable, what, you know, some of my questions are how are police protected?
01:27:14
Do we know that that is what they have hired someone to protect them?
01:27:20
What can we do that will not
01:27:23
completely undo anything the CRB comes up with.
01:27:27
There are, I think, a lot of components to this.
01:27:29
We're trying to figure it out.
01:27:31
Nobody's trying to hide anything.
01:27:32
Again, I will say we started the discussion soon as the presentation.
01:27:37
You all were in the room.
01:27:39
Chief Brackney made her presentation and then the city attorney made a statement after that that didn't, that they were
01:27:50
and so I immediately followed up and that's where we are.
01:28:00
So I just wanted to just say that I heard you all.
01:28:10
I started the discussion about that particular issue and I would like for you all to give us time as a group to figure an answer out.
01:28:20
That's my statement.
01:28:23
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
01:28:28
You can come on up.
01:28:30
Hello.
SPEAKER_19
01:28:32
My name is Jane Fletcher.
01:28:36
I live at 527 Park Plaza.
01:28:41
I want to talk about real estate taxes.
01:28:43
I live in a wonderful neighborhood, but I live in a very modest home.
01:28:49
I have one bedroom, one bathroom.
01:28:52
Unfortunately, it's a very desirable neighborhood.
01:28:56
It's in north downtown.
01:28:59
21 years ago, my real estate taxes for the year were $1,100.
01:29:06
This year, they're over $6,000.
01:29:12
It's only going to take six more years to hit $10,000.
01:29:19
I will have been retired by that time.
01:29:22
One reason this neighborhood is so good is because there are lots of different aged people there.
01:29:30
There are lots of retirees.
01:29:32
That makes our neighborhood safe because people keep an eye out for other people.
01:29:38
It's not a neighborhood where everyone is gone for eight or nine hours a day.
01:29:43
And I just feel so sad that I'm gonna be driven out of this neighborhood.
01:29:52
I haven't received any additional services.
01:29:55
Just the taxes go up.
SPEAKER_18
01:29:59
I did the math and the average increase per year is 9%.
SPEAKER_19
01:30:09
Well, 9% of $1,000 is not the same as 9% of $6,000.
01:30:15
And so it will go up a lot faster.
01:30:20
The only thing I can think of is that the budget needs to be constrained.
01:30:31
It needs to go down.
01:30:36
There are offices, there are situations where the county has an office and the city has an office.
01:30:43
There's no reason why those can't be, those two offices can't be merged together.
01:30:49
For instance, Parks and Recs.
01:30:54
I had business with Parks and Recs.
01:30:56
It took me hours to go to two different offices.
01:31:00
I shouldn't have had to do that.
01:31:02
Why are we paying for personnel?
01:31:06
Two different offices when it's such a small amount of people.
01:31:12
So there are lots of ways to save money.
01:31:16
I'm not the expert on that, but I will tell you that if something is not done, there's going to have to be a revolution here.
SPEAKER_18
01:31:28
And we are at the breaking point.
SPEAKER_19
01:31:32
I wish I had come a couple years earlier, but we are at the breaking point.
SPEAKER_14
01:31:38
Thank you.
01:31:39
So, ma'am, are you familiar with the city's tax assistance program?
SPEAKER_19
01:31:46
I do not qualify for the tax assistance.
SPEAKER_14
01:31:49
Until you retire?
SPEAKER_19
01:31:51
I will not qualify when I retire.
01:31:54
It's just my dream to stay here and I will not be able to stay here at 9% increase every year.
SPEAKER_07
01:32:06
My taxes will be over $5,000 as well.
Nikuyah Walker
01:32:12
Like the assessments, I'm not going to agree with the same level that they did the past few years.
SPEAKER_04
01:32:17
They don't, no.
Nikuyah Walker
01:32:20
Is there anyone else who would like to speak, Nancy?
01:32:24
Ms. Turner, Nancy was up so then after her.
SPEAKER_20
01:32:32
Not too long, but my name is Nancy Carpenter.
01:32:34
I live in the Rose Hill neighborhood.
01:32:35
I want to thank Ms. Hudson for bringing attention to a potential parking issue there at Rose Hill Market.
01:32:42
I hope that the traffic engineer will agree with her and provide Mr. George with parking for
01:32:50
patrons of his store because he's an important part of that neighborhood.
01:32:54
I also want to thank Mr. Murphy and the board for looking at putting back the benches that have backs on them that were taken out.
01:33:06
I remember those conversations several years ago, how the downtown Business Association just didn't want to have a lot of poor people hanging around the downtown mall.
01:33:14
Seems like that's still a situation.
01:33:17
The other question I have is for the city manager.
01:33:21
Trying to still determine if that Vinegar Hill plaque that was attached to the retaining wall near the code building has been returned to Parks and Rec.
01:33:30
It has, okay, what will be, will the construction company put that area back as it was after construction?
01:33:40
because that was supposed to be repurposed for a park to memorialize Vinegar Hill.
01:33:45
There hadn't been any money put towards it but it was in a plan and I want to make sure that that area is put back in the condition it was so that the plan can go forward with putting that as a park to people who lived actually had footsteps, footprints in that area.
01:34:07
instead of the way it looks now.
01:34:09
And the other thing is, talking about parks, I'm still a little peeved that Washington Park doesn't have any money put towards any improvements to that area except for standard maintenance to the buildings and the grounds.
01:34:23
When I drove by there the other day coming to work, the swim building just looked tired.
01:34:29
It just looked like something out of another century I think it could certainly should put some money in putting a better face on the park because after all you're gonna have all those people at Dairy Central who want to have some place to walk their dog and I would hate that the only time that the park gets updated is when a lot of people move in that are at a very higher economic level than a lot of people living in that around those neighborhoods right now so it's you know maybe the next fiscal budget
01:34:58
Look at actually putting some more money into Washington Park and making it a gem like it should be.
01:35:04
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04
01:35:15
The Vice Mayor has asked me just to address one of Mr. Carpenter's comments and that is that yes the western end of the mall was intended to be an area acknowledged as Vinegar Hill Park or Plaza and as it stands currently should there not be any new design for that area the contractor will be obligated to return it to the condition it was in before.
01:35:39
I think most of the interpretation that would happen to make that a park or plaza would actually not be a plaque that is this size but actually a series of signs throughout the area that are much larger that would go through the Historic Resources Committee and that work started
01:36:01
under the previous staff person Mary Joy Scala and has been considered in public meetings in the past so certainly there's lots more that can be done there from the entrance kind of where Whiskey Jar is all the way up.
Nikuyah Walker
01:36:16
Okay.
SPEAKER_26
01:36:21
Katrina Turner.
01:36:22
I just want to speak real quick about what Ms. Parker said as far as what was presented to us because when I filed my complaint I had to come back in front of City Council in order to hear anything about my complaint so that's kind of part of what we're talking about this system you know and plus
01:36:50
Last year, if you could recall, you asked the chief to write me a letter stating that she did not view a videotape of my son's arrest, that she only looked at a picture of my son's arrest.
01:37:03
I haven't gotten that.
01:37:04
That's been probably, what, five, six months now?
01:37:08
And when she presented, you know, the complaint form, well, the complaint
01:37:16
I think the sustained part of a complaint like if you make a mistake on a report or something the disciplinary actions that's supposed to go against you she made a very big mistake when she wrote and said she looked at a videotape and only saw a picture.
01:37:38
Why haven't I gotten that letter yet?
01:37:41
Is that going to hurt her by admitting that she made a mistake, as they said, that bad?
01:37:51
Why haven't I gotten this letter yet?
01:37:53
Because, like I said, when she presented what she presented last week, she should be in trouble for putting that down on paper.
01:38:01
So what's going on?
01:38:03
Am I going to get that letter?
01:38:07
stating that she didn't make a mistake that she lied about watching that video.
01:38:12
That's not a mistake.
01:38:13
You cannot mistake looking at a video and looking at a picture.
01:38:18
You can't do it.
01:38:19
So I just want to know why I haven't gotten that letter yet.
01:38:23
That's all.
Nikuyah Walker
01:38:27
So I think we discussed here the fact that
01:38:34
The language in the video, I mean the language in the letter you received was in, I think you answered that there was no potential for a video to be, that it was pre-body camera, that there is no dash cam footage.
01:38:52
Didn't we have that discussion here?
SPEAKER_26
01:38:55
Well then she's supposed to write me a letter stating that she did not look at that video as she stated.
Nikuyah Walker
01:39:03
Discuss that.
SPEAKER_26
01:39:05
Because she was supposed to have written me that letter, and I want my letter.
Nikuyah Walker
01:39:09
So you're, OK.
SPEAKER_26
01:39:11
I mean, because that's more than a mistake.
01:39:14
I mean, she's the chief of police.
01:39:17
And if I was to have put something wrong down on a complaint, I would be in trouble for it if I lied on a complaint or if I lied about a decision.
01:39:26
I would be in trouble.
01:39:29
OK.
01:39:31
So come on now.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:34
We'll certainly follow up on this specific request about whether a letter was sent.
01:39:40
As Ms. Turner is aware, she has received an answer.
01:39:44
It's been reviewed by three different police chiefs and two city managers.
01:39:49
So, I mean, the disposition of the case, as I understand it, is no longer in question.
01:39:54
It's a matter of the follow-up that you're asking about this one element.
SPEAKER_26
01:39:58
The disposition, really, I have a recording from
01:40:00
from Chief Thomas that anytime I can find a lawyer, I can get every last bit of information in my complaint, but I haven't been able to find a lawyer.
01:40:10
So evidently it's going to stay open from how the Chief Thomas told me because these records will always be here for me to get.
01:40:19
And I have that on record.
01:40:22
So these records are here for me.
01:40:24
Why can't I get them without a lawyer?
01:40:27
Is what I want enough.
Nikuyah Walker
01:40:28
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
Don Gathers
01:40:37
To piggyback many of the other citizens who have come up about taxes, we presently live in a house that is over 100 years old and yet in the last two years our assessment has gone up $52,000.
01:41:00
with no structural changes, no enhancements to the facing of the property, nothing, but it's gone up some $52,000.
01:41:11
The only thing that has changed is the Dairy Central project, which is right around the corner from where I live.
01:41:19
So this takes me back to the conversation I had with you all some time ago when this was being first bantered about.
01:41:27
what it does to a neighborhood when a developer comes in and puts up a project like this.
01:41:33
It drives up the tax base and then in many cases makes it impossible for the residents to continue to live there because they can't afford the additional taxes that come with it.
01:41:44
So once again in perpetuity we need to allow for residents in these areas that are affected by these types of development plans to not be so adversely affected and not be forced out of their homes because again it just equates to back door gentrification.
01:42:04
People are best being driven out because they can't afford to pay the taxes on the homes that they've done nothing to, that they've done nothing wrong with, other than they live in an area that was affected by development.
01:42:15
So please, I ask you to remember and look inwardly and realize that
01:42:22
The most valuable resources we have here in Charlottesville aren't the hotels and the restaurants that litter the skyline.
01:42:29
It's not UVA and it certainly isn't those grandiose, granite giants that brought the hatred here a couple of years ago.
01:42:36
It's the residents.
01:42:38
That's the city's most valuable resource and that's what needs to be protected.
01:42:43
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
01:42:43
Thank you.
Don Gathers
01:42:44
Mr. Galvin.
SPEAKER_14
01:42:46
Just because I think some people I don't think everybody's gonna be here when we have a discussion so I just like to say this briefly so we've been talking about this for some time and just with my personal position I hear you wholeheartedly my assessments went up as well but it's twofold
01:43:03
because we hear from a lot of people that there needs to be a commitment to affordable housing.
01:43:10
The city has for a long time not done what we're supposed to do for the same population that you're talking about in regards to providing housing, in regards to providing subsidies.
01:43:20
We heard eloquent statement from the Human Rights Commission, which I think is in agreement with members of the Low Income Housing Coalition and several other groups about why there needs to be
01:43:31
to be an emphasis from city council to put a priority to address affordable housing.
01:43:37
Well, in order for us to be able to address affordable housing and put many of the dollars in, we have to find a revenue stream or revenue source.
01:43:46
So for me, I'm really confused because I hear from some people, and I'm having this discussion with you, but it's not just for you.
01:43:56
I hear from some individuals, address affordable housing, do what we have to do to make sure people aren't displaced, do what we need to do to make sure that we address these housing needs.
01:44:06
So then when we try to find the revenue to be able to do just that,
01:44:10
it's like no find it another way but there aren't many other ways so like how would we because I really want to hear from the public if we don't go up in the meal stacks to have a dedicated revenue if we don't go up with the real estate tax if we don't look at the lodging tax monies that are going to be able to address affordable housing home ownership homelessness then what would you all like for us to do
Don Gathers
01:44:37
There's no reason that we can't attack and approach all of those things.
01:44:43
We're approaching the point where there are hotels on almost every corner.
SPEAKER_14
01:44:49
And we're proposing raising the lottery tax for a ribbon for hotels.
Don Gathers
01:44:53
And we need to look at that.
01:44:54
But we don't need to drive up the revenue for affordable housing if we don't have anybody that will be able to live here in town.
01:45:01
Because if we continue to drive the real estate tax up for the existing residents, we won't be able to have anyone to live in town that can afford the affordable housing that we're trying to create.
SPEAKER_14
01:45:15
So that too is a double-edged sword because Mayor Walker has presented a plan through the CHAP, I don't want to make sure I said it correctly, the CHAP.
01:45:23
through the chat which is, and I think we've been discussing and I think there are votes to do so, to provide funding to alleviate some of the stress for those who fall under a certain threshold to get tax relief.
01:45:37
So that's our effort to be able for those who you're describing who don't have the income to be able to stay here and remain here, those who may be on a fixed income if it's under a certain threshold, we want to provide funding to be able to keep you here
01:45:49
But then at the same time, we have to be able to generate revenue to address these needs that everyone literally for the last two years have said that we must address.
Don Gathers
01:46:01
Well then, look, we've got to focus on affordable housing and our low-income residents.
01:46:08
That's got to be priority number one.
01:46:10
Because we've got to be able to take care of the people who need it most and who deserve it most.
01:46:16
Priority number one.
01:46:18
But we've got to also be able to create an avenue to take care of the existing residents who, once again, are being directly affected by something that
01:46:28
that they had no part in.
01:46:31
Any time that a development comes into the area, developer comes into the area, number one they're seeking tax breaks first of all and we can't allow that to continue to happen because they're going to make their money rather it's on the front end or the back end.
01:46:47
They're going to get their funds.
01:46:49
So if they come in looking for tax breaks just to build, that's a problem.
01:46:57
So we've got to, again, take care of the people who would be directly
01:47:02
directly and adversely affected by these developments coming into locales, rather it's on whatever corner and whatever the developer is and whatever it is that's going up, unless it's affordable and low-income housing.
01:47:17
And once again, what's affordable in Charlottesville, I don't know.
01:47:23
I mean, God bless folks who have moved to the $15 an hour salary, but understand, that still puts you at a threshold below $32,000 a year.
01:47:31
and there's nowhere that anybody will be able to live on $32,000 a year in Charlottesville.
01:47:37
It's just not possible.
01:47:39
But we've got to...
01:47:42
I can't believe that it can't be done.
01:47:43
There's some brilliant minds up here.
01:47:46
And I can't believe that we can't put our heads together collectively and come up with ways and be creative that we can, again, not drive up the tax base of people
01:47:59
who are trying to live and let their generations and families continue to live in those same homes, but still be able to find affordable avenues and venues for the low income folks.
SPEAKER_14
01:48:11
Right, and you're saying finding solutions, that's what the CHAP and the rental assistance is for.
SPEAKER_22
01:48:15
Okay, may I ask a question of Mr. Blair?
01:48:22
When Mr. Gaithers is done.
Don Gathers
01:48:24
I'm sorry?
01:48:26
When you're done.
01:48:27
Okay.
01:48:28
I'm not done.
01:48:30
Alright, thank you.
01:48:31
I love you too, brother.
SPEAKER_22
01:48:36
And Mr. Blair, if you need time to think about an answer, but I think a big driver
01:48:44
At least what I've been hearing is a big driver for the assessments has been the cost of the luxury student housing and there was a major change of ownership
01:48:59
in 2016, one of the luxury student housing developments on West Main Street, which gave rise to a huge jump in land value.
01:49:11
And that has had a reverberation across the entire city.
01:49:18
Can we have
01:49:20
Moratorium on Luxury Student Housing.
01:49:23
Can we put that, because that seems to be, what I'm hearing is that that is exacting like an enormous price per acre just to sell land and so that's leading a lot of property owners
01:49:39
to hold their land in speculation until they get the next big offer for a luxury student housing development and these are developers from outside the city and can you be that selective or can we change the zoning wholesale like sooner versus later to not allow luxury student housing or can we prohibit special use permits for luxury student housing?
John Blair
01:50:06
concerning your question a couple points number one the Virginia Supreme Court has held you can't have a general moratorium on development concerning luxury student housing I do think as you were stating a lot of these are subject to special use permit and rezonings and that's that's something for the council to consider when those applications come before it
01:50:33
But I don't believe and I'm happy to research this, but I do know the Virginia Supreme Court has ruled there cannot be a general moratorium on development and localities in Virginia.
01:50:43
And you're talking about a specific kind of use.
01:50:47
It's interesting.
01:50:50
I mean, I think uses themselves per the zoning code obviously are at your discretion as a council.
01:50:59
I think a question about luxury student housing is how you would define that and when you talk about multifamily versus student housing and whether there can be a distinction on that or whether there couldn't be.
01:51:19
I mean I think that would be an issue you would run into but I'd be happy to research that.
SPEAKER_22
01:51:24
Is there any other interest in that?
SPEAKER_14
01:51:26
I would have interest.
01:51:27
I would have interest.
John Blair
01:51:29
And could I ask when you say luxury student house, I mean, is there a certain are you looking at price?
SPEAKER_22
01:51:35
It's over a certain price point with amenities built in.
SPEAKER_31
01:51:40
OK. Madam Mayor, Madam.
Don Gathers
01:51:43
How much does UVA actually pay for city and town?
SPEAKER_31
01:51:50
I have one other question.
SPEAKER_22
01:51:51
That's another front of negotiation.
SPEAKER_31
01:51:54
Madam Mayor, Mr. Murphy, just because there were so many questions here about assessments, I thought it might, if you could spend two minutes telling the public how the Assessor's Office works, because I think there was an assumption here that Council is involved with assessments and we're not, but also how appeals work so that folks can understand that, because a lot of people are watching, there's a lot of interest in this.
SPEAKER_04
01:52:22
So the city does have a office of the Assessor.
01:52:27
It is located next to the city space underneath the Market Street parking garage.
01:52:34
People who have questions about how their assessment is generated, or if it is correct, certainly have the right to appeal in any given year.
01:52:44
I don't have the guidelines about the timing of that appeal in front of me, but certainly.
01:52:54
Thank you.
01:52:56
We can certainly talk to Mr. Davis about how that data is established.
01:53:01
I have not been asked about any appeals, although certainly it is known to us what the volume is of appeals in any given year, and we actually estimate that in the budget for a certain number of those appeals to be granted.
01:53:17
So we do know that on occasion
01:53:19
that the process does change the assessment.
01:53:23
It is true, as some folks have alluded to, that a lot of these assessments are driven by what a realtor or somebody else would call the comps, the comparables, what sort of houses were sold in that direct area.
01:53:39
and there are parts of the city that are disproportionately affected.
01:53:44
There are parts of the city, well on average we know that just the residential, since we're talking about mostly residential uses in here today, I think the average is about 8.7%, but there are places with little to no increase and places that I'm aware of that have 18, 19% increases.
01:54:01
So they are really based on the specific area, the type of the house, et cetera.
01:54:11
If you want to go deeper with the Assessor, certainly we can bring them to the April 1 meeting.
01:54:16
Or tomorrow night.
SPEAKER_31
01:54:18
I think that might be helpful.
01:54:20
Especially so folks understand it's an independent, the way the government is set up, it's set up as an independent Assessor's office.
01:54:27
Absolutely.
Heather Hill
01:54:28
And just for clarity, we're going to have public hearings on all of this stuff still coming.
01:54:32
Alright, Mr. Blair.
John Blair
01:54:37
One clarification, I know Mr. Fogel is back in the audience, but I know there's been some questions about
01:54:45
Policy, so to speak, concerning releasing personnel records.
01:54:50
The city code does provide that the Department of Human Resources, pursuant to the city manager's approval, does issue personnel regulations.
01:54:59
Those regulations do, in fact, and they apply to police officers, as they do to all city employees.
01:55:06
Those regulations currently state that
01:55:10
the personnel files are not to be disclosed to other persons outside of the city government.
01:55:16
Now obviously they can be changed, but that is where the policy currently resides.
01:55:21
There are city personnel regulations and that do in fact state that all city employees personnel files are private except for the administration of government.
Nikuyah Walker
01:55:35
Thank you.
Heather Hill
01:55:36
Earlier this evening, Council appointed the following individuals to the Region 10 Community Services Board, Linda Hansen and Andre Lewis.
Nikuyah Walker
01:55:50
Alright, thank you.
01:55:51
We will break until 8.35.
01:55:56
So we just need to vote on the appointment.
01:56:06
I move that we appoint.
Kyna Thomas
01:56:07
Is there a second?
Nikuyah Walker
01:56:09
Please vote.
01:56:11
This has been a hard night already.
Tanesha Hudson
01:57:54
It's nice seeing everybody get a line up there.
SPEAKER_41
01:58:16
You know what?
Nikuyah Walker
01:58:47
All right, I'll call this meeting back to order.
SPEAKER_22
01:58:51
So there's a motion.
01:58:56
Yes, Mayor Walker, I would like to make a motion to suspend the rules of the meeting tonight so that we can make an agenda change.
01:59:07
So I need a second.
01:59:08
I second that.
01:59:10
And we need to vote on it?
John Blair
01:59:12
Yes, I need to vote on it.
01:59:14
Please vote.
SPEAKER_22
01:59:16
Can you hit the bar?
01:59:19
And, Mayor Walker, I move that we adjust the agenda so that item number eight, which is a report on Bennet Village playground, now moves to be just above the public hearing on the proposed real estate tax rate.
01:59:33
So that will become agenda item number two.
Nikuyah Walker
01:59:38
And we'll have 10 minutes allocated for total for this item.
01:59:47
All right.
01:59:51
Thank you.
01:59:56
All right, so Mr. Daly.
SPEAKER_29
02:00:03
Good evening Mayor and members of City Council.
02:00:06
Thank you for the adjustment to the agenda and moving this up this evening.
02:00:11
The item before you tonight is a proposal from Bennett's Village, a local nonprofit organization who is proposing a partnership with the city to fund, design, and construct an all-abilities playground at Penn Park.
02:00:24
Such a facility is certainly in need in the central Virginia region, with the closest facilities of this type currently located in the Richmond and Northern Virginia areas.
02:00:33
A playground designed for individuals across the age and ability spectrum is a bit of a departure from traditional playground design, which have clearly focused on children and more primarily on able-bodied children.
02:00:45
While the city has incorporated accessible play elements in our playgrounds throughout the park system and at the city schools, the construction of a dedicated all abilities play facility is a unique opportunity for the community.
02:00:59
Joining us tonight are Karen McClurkin and Brian Gibney, representing Bennet's Village, who have a brief presentation to share with you outlining the proposed partnership.
02:01:07
Following the presentation, we'd be pleased to engage in any discussion and answer any questions you may have.
SPEAKER_18
02:01:16
Thanks for moving us up.
02:01:17
We have some middle school students who need to get to bed.
02:01:24
So before we get started, I wanted to tell you a little bit about our son, Bennett.
02:01:29
When Bennett was one, he was born with spinal muscular atrophy, and folks with SMA are missing a gene that allows their muscles to regulate, to work properly.
02:01:39
So Bennett couldn't sit up on his own, he couldn't walk, and over time, without treatment, muscles deteriorate and they lose the ability to move and to eat and to breathe.
02:01:51
and so as you might expect with this diagnosis we were devastated.
02:01:56
We were told to take him home and love him and that two years was the typical lifespan.
02:02:02
Well, in spite of the diagnosis, Bennett survived past the age of two and he did more than just survive, he thrived.
02:02:11
He was an amazingly curious and social and funny guy.
02:02:16
He loved playing with his friends, he loved playing with his sister
02:02:20
and the power wheelchair gave him independence that he did not have without it.
02:02:26
Otherwise, we basically had to carry him around everywhere.
02:02:29
Most importantly, Bennett loved to play.
02:02:35
Play is important for a lot of reasons.
02:02:38
To children's development, but for the rest of us too.
02:02:40
It helps us learn to problem solve and test boundaries, to meet challenges, to work out differences and build relationships sometimes with people you've never met before.
02:02:50
Play is not only important for children, but it's important for the entire community.
02:02:55
But most of our playgrounds actually have some pretty significant obstacles.
02:02:59
particularly for those who have mobility challenges.
02:03:02
If you look at the surfaces, they often are mulch-based, which makes it really hard to get in.
02:03:07
It doesn't do you any good to have a handicapped accessible space if once you get into the equipment, there's no way to access it.
02:03:15
While there are swings on most of our playgrounds that do have some adaptations, they were way too big for Bennett.
02:03:23
You can see in this bucket swing, I sort of shoved my sweatshirt in there.
02:03:26
He couldn't hold the ring, so he wasn't able to swing.
02:03:31
And there's many kids with many different kinds of disabilities that make it so they can't even fly in a swing, which is something that I think all of us love to do.
02:03:40
Also, the way to get onto most play structures are steps and poles and those climbing things.
02:03:47
And so if you're in a wheelchair, there's no way for you to interact.
02:03:49
Your friends are all running around and high up and you're stuck down below.
02:03:54
We carried him a lot of the time.
02:03:56
He weighed little enough that we could do that.
02:04:00
But as he got older, that was a real challenge.
02:04:02
Just because playgrounds meet ADA regulations doesn't mean that they actually are set up so that they can be inclusive places where all can play.
02:04:13
And so what we are proposing is something different, a place where everyone can play.
02:04:22
Then it was just one of our community members who struggled to be included in play spaces.
02:04:28
We know many community members with a wide range of abilities who would benefit from this playground.
02:04:32
There are more than 9,000 local residents under the age of 65 with a disability in this area.
02:04:38
And once you get to the age of 65, one in three have a disability.
02:04:42
That doesn't include those people who have temporary injuries or have health issues that
02:04:48
aren't defined as having a disability.
02:04:50
So there's a huge community out there that we don't get to think about that actually don't get to access our play spaces.
02:04:56
Also we have amazing medical facilities in this area and we have friends who traveled nine hours for treatment here for SMA and they had to come in a couple days before for tests.
02:05:08
There was very limited opportunities for them to interact in our city.
02:05:13
And I'm going to turn it over to Brian to talk a little bit about what we're talking about when we're talking about an all abilities playground.
SPEAKER_35
02:05:21
Thank you.
02:05:23
So, like Kara said before, just because something, a playground meets ADA compliance does not mean that it is an all abilities playground.
02:05:34
And it's definitely not accessible for the vast majority of folks that have disabilities.
02:05:38
An all abilities playground, which have been popping up all over the country, is more about a general philosophy and is a huge departure from how we think about traditional playgrounds.
02:05:49
Yes, there is accessible equipment, but it really is about mindful design.
02:05:54
When we design all abilities playground, we think about lots of different populations.
02:06:00
Those that are mobility limited, those that are developmentally delayed, those that have sensory or processing disability, as well as those that are affected by age and temporary illness.
02:06:15
Thank you.
02:06:18
This is a picture of a wonderful treehouse that was at the Arc Park in Richmond.
02:06:24
The beautiful thing about this, if you can see in the background, is that it has an enormous ramp that kids that are mobility limited can go up to.
02:06:31
Just the notion of being above everybody else when you're used to being in a wheelchair is hugely empowering.
02:06:38
The fact that it has a ramp means that kids can go up there as well as older mobility limited adults.
02:06:49
If you're developmentally delayed and are wheelchair-bound, there has been equipment developed, and this is all relatively recently, which enables you to do things like swing, which is something that is so basic to playground equipment.
02:07:04
Getting to the swings is a huge problem, and having a larger structure around the swing that enables you to do that is part of what the mindful design of an all-abilities playground is all about.
02:07:20
and the Art Park Richmond, there are also sensory elements where people that just really either cannot see or like have the stimulation of a focused sensory experience can get joy and be social with other kids.
02:07:39
Seating and shaded area is a huge part of an all abilities playground, enabling parents that desperately need a rest to look around and have a good vantage point of the park because sometimes kids that are moving around have a tendency to wander off and having visibility is a huge part of an all abilities park.
02:08:06
So the problem is that there's really nothing very close to us.
02:08:11
There's a huge population in the Charlottesville area.
02:08:14
The closest parks that we would have to go to would be the Arc Park or Soar Park in Richmond, and that was over an hour away.
02:08:23
We would have loved to have Bennett experience that social interaction with more of his friends, but not many people were willing to go an hour.
02:08:32
And I think it's pretty unreasonable to ask our community members to drive an hour to have access to play.
SPEAKER_18
02:08:44
So last spring, Bennett's friends and family were devastated when he passed away suddenly from complications from the flu.
02:08:51
At times of such loss, I think you can turn inward or you can turn outward with your grief.
02:08:58
And we chose to look outward.
02:09:01
So we founded Bennett's Village in order to build a playground that Bennett and his friends could have had truly equitable opportunities to play.
02:09:08
Our goal is to build a multi-generational all abilities playground in our community and to advocate for more inclusive spaces for everyone in our community.
02:09:17
The Arc of the Piedmont is our partner and serves as our fiscal sponsor.
02:09:24
Over the last year we've shared our vision and had overwhelming numbers of community support.
02:09:28
We've had more than 15 fundraising partners combined with over 600 individual donors, and we've raised almost $100,000 just by telling Bennett's story.
02:09:38
We don't have plans, we don't have anything specific, just this dream.
02:09:44
We've had some opportunities to do some outreach.
02:09:48
We have got into the classroom.
02:09:50
We've worked with middle school students, some of which are in the audience here.
02:09:54
We've worked with elementary school students.
02:09:57
I have worked with several classes at the University of Virginia, some graduate students working on the Charlottesville Equity Atlas.
02:10:04
I also worked with an architecture class that looked at inclusive design.
02:10:09
And we also look forward to talking with other community groups.
02:10:14
We've done some interviews and we look forward to doing some more.
SPEAKER_35
02:10:19
So the reason why we're coming here tonight is because we do have a plan.
02:10:22
We've been talking to the city of Charlottesville Parks and Rec.
02:10:27
Mr. Daley and Benitz Village has been working very closely together.
02:10:31
And we have a proposal to make.
02:10:34
Based on our model, which is the art park in Richmond, we would like to propose that we create an all abilities park in Charlottesville.
02:10:45
Based on that model, we estimate the size of that park to be about 2.5 acres, and the projected cost is $5 million.
02:10:57
The interesting part of our proposal is that we suggest that Charlottesville provides land that is already within the scope of how that land would be used, and that Bennett Village provides funds for the design, equipment, and construction of the park.
02:11:13
We propose that Penn Park, which is already designated a regional destination park, be tapped as the site of Bennett's Village.
02:11:23
It is already consistent with the current usage of Penn Park.
02:11:27
It would meet a community and regional need, and it fits the criteria that we would ask for for an all-abilities playground.
SPEAKER_18
02:11:38
So what do we need tonight?
02:11:40
We are asking city council, is an all abilities playground consistent with the regional park designation of Penn Park?
02:11:48
Is it consistent with the existing uses of the park so it wouldn't require adapting to the master, creating a new master plan?
02:11:55
We're asking you to authorize Parks and Rec to create a memorandum of agreement with Bennett's Village and to move forward with planning so that we can do engagement with the community.
02:12:05
We can start seriously raising the funds and designing some site specific plans after we receive community feedback.
02:12:13
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:12:23
Thank you.
02:12:25
Mr. Daly and Mr. Murphy, just where are we in the process?
02:12:36
Because this is just a report tonight, so what are our next steps?
SPEAKER_29
02:12:40
The next steps would be if there's support from the council to move forward with establishing a partnership with Bennett's Village for this purpose.
02:12:48
There's a draft resolution in your council packet to that effect.
02:12:52
I would direct staff to go ahead and begin drafting a memorandum of agreement that would outline the relationship between the city and Bennett's Village for this purpose.
02:13:00
With some specificity about responsibilities of the city, responsibilities of Bennett's Village and
02:13:05
Those items that we would share responsibility for and we can work directly with them to affect that agreement.
02:13:13
We have something of a model that we've used for previous partnerships that can serve as a place to start with this effort.
02:13:20
I will add that staff are wholeheartedly supportive of this.
02:13:24
There is a need in this community for such a facility.
02:13:27
And to have a community partner who has already done so much amazing work to make this reality is very, very exciting.
Nikuyah Walker
02:13:37
All right.
02:13:39
So what do you need from?
SPEAKER_04
02:13:43
I think that, you know, you have this draft resolution.
02:13:46
We weren't intending for you to act on it this evening.
02:13:49
Ask that you consider that, that we put that on the next agenda for your consideration.
02:13:55
I'm supportive of what Mr. Daly is drafted.
02:13:58
So if you're prepared to deal, you know, consider this in April, then we'll be we'll be bringing it back.
Nikuyah Walker
02:14:05
All right.
02:14:06
Thank you.
SPEAKER_31
02:14:06
Madam Mayor, I just want to thank you all and press condolences of course.
02:14:12
I was recently at the ARC, I guess now, in Richmond with four kids, all little, not with
02:14:22
I think anybody should invest this 70 minute trip to hang out there with kids if you can or just as adults.
02:14:33
It is a totally different kind of playground.
02:14:38
Just transformative to hang out in.
02:14:40
And I remember when we were there, I was like, there ought to be something like this in Charlottesville because it will become a destination and it just is a different experience of a playground.
02:14:49
So I think you're absolutely right.
02:14:51
It will bring something totally new for a whole universe of people here and it would be very in keeping with our values.
02:15:00
So I really applaud what you've done.
SPEAKER_22
02:15:03
Mayor Walker, I'd like to say something too.
02:15:05
I just want to say that I'm in awe of Bennett's parents fortitude to move forward and your inspiration from your son.
02:15:15
It's really inspirational for all of us.
02:15:21
So thank you for your courage and for seeking the partnership with the city because it's an honor to do so.
Nikuyah Walker
02:15:30
Thank you.
SPEAKER_22
02:15:35
Thank you for the middle school children for coming.
Nikuyah Walker
02:15:38
Okay, so next we have the proposed real estate tax rate for fiscal year 2020.
02:15:50
And Mr. Murphy will present.
SPEAKER_04
02:15:58
All right, Mayor Walker, members of council.
02:16:02
This is a presentation that's going to have a lot of familiarity to the council members and certainly to the folks who've been to many of our budget sessions.
02:16:10
But for the purposes of this presentation this evening and the benefit of those who have not been at all our meetings, we will do a little bit of a review of the proposed budget.
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and I'll just point out that there are a total of four budget public hearings.
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There will be one presentation that will cover all of those and then you can take each of those public hearings one by one.
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This is to indicate to you all that over the past 13 or 14 years that you'll see that there are years of increase and decrease but in all but one year there was an increase in the general fund budget.
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This year the general increase is 5.05% of the budget.
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There is some good news in the indicators here in the city.
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We have more jobs than we've ever had within the city.
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Unemployment is the lowest in the state, vacancy rates are low, and there are lots of major developments that will increase the tax base.
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The council agreed to organizing the budget around some themes.
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You can see that among them are support for the schools, investment in employees, affordable housing, and of course being efficient in our local government, among others.
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This slide had a question about this generally a little bit earlier so you will see that you know while we talk about taxes particularly tonight as we have a number of public hearings that about three-quarters just under 73% of all the money that comes in to fund the general fund in the local budget is from different types of taxes including real estate, personal property, meals, lodging, etc.
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So real estate is a part of the proposed budget.
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You can see that in general there has been some increase and that's due to the change in assessed value that the manager's budget, while there has been an advertisement saying that it is possible for the council to endorse a real estate rate of 96 or 7 cents or somewhere in between based on our advertisement,
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that the budget is balanced in the manager's budget at the current 95 cent rate.
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For those who have been coming to our public forums and work sessions, you will know that tomorrow night the manager's office will present some
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Additional modifications to the budget based on the idea of a one-one-one scenario that was discussed on Saturday, which is one cent on real estate, one cent on lodging, one on meals.
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The one cent on lodging and meals was already in the current budget from the city manager.
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This is just to indicate to folks that you know obviously we can't capture every unique dwelling in the city but since we know what the average rate of increase is to give you some notion that based on the different values of home
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We know that if they went up roughly 8.7% on the residential side, how much more tax people are going to pay in the coming year.
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We obviously are looking at some increases pretty much across the board.
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There are certainly areas of the city that are affected more than others.
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Just a reminder, since we're talking about a potential change in the formula, that each penny of the real estate tax is worth $771,000 plus.
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So we have been looking at, particularly in comparison, the different types of revenues, some information from Bureau of Labor Statistics, Consumer Expenditure Survey, and it was divided into deciles.
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So we tried to do that with all the residential parcels in the city too.
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I think what stands out here is number one that when you get halfway through all those residential parcels that the values of the parcels or the homes are still under $300,000 and that as we have considered the CHAP program
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the housing affordability program and the tax relief that the manager's budget proposes and Mayor Walker has requested that we go even further with that 70% of all homes in the city actually fall under the assessed value that we're talking about.
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So this is a graphic about the meals tax.
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We're proposing in the budget that the meals tax change from 5% to 6%.
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It was last changed in four fiscal years ago.
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I know that there's been significant discussion around this point.
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We'll emphasize just a couple things here.
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One is that meals tax has consistently grown.
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There was no year where a penny was worth less than any other year.
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that this tax is worth approximately just under two and a half million dollars per penny.
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You know as we talk about what it means to go from 5% to 6%, I want to emphasize that going up that one cent keeps the city at or below
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27 of the 38 independent cities in the state of Virginia and the actual impact, the out of pocket cost is the equivalent of 10 cents on a sandwich that costs $10 or 20 cents on a $20 meal, so forth and so on.
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So I referenced before that there was some work that we looked at in some federal level data and so we just wanted to be able to compare and understand that does this and how does this affect people in their general budgets and you'll see that
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in the lowest income brackets in the nation that our proposed tax increase on meals would affect people $15 a year or $1.25 generally out of their monthly budgets and even at the highest income $6.43 per month and that 35% of meals tax is paid by people who do not live in the city.
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We've also talked about in this budget a proposal to change from 7% to 8%.
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That did change three fiscal years ago.
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And this occupancy tax in hotels is something that has been climbing in the city as far as revenues go.
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if we were to raise the rate that we would be basically equal to or lower than half, 19 out of the 38 independent cities and that while there is significant data and public comment around the idea that the lodging sector has been shrinking that that is true of us regionally and we do have a regional partnership for the
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Convention and Visitors Bureau, the CACVB.
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However, in the city we've been up over the last year about 9.4% and in the county down 14%.
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This is just to emphasize where does the money go when you pay your taxes to the city.
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You'll see that about a third of all dollars go towards our local contribution to the schools, followed by a quarter of the money to public safety and justice.
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I want to clarify there that since one of our public speakers at a previous meeting equated that all
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to a direct appropriation to police.
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That's police, fire, sheriffs, jails, detention center, all of that together.
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And then healthy families and communities, the work that you do to fund social services, human services, nonprofits, etc., follows that.
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And of course infrastructure and transportation next.
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Much smaller amounts on all the remainder.
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Would emphasize you see that debt service payment has continued to grow a bit over time.
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So I talked briefly prior to this about the CHAP, the Affordable Housing Tax Grant and Relief Program.
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The manager's budget was already based on a concept that would increase the funding to that program by $285,000.
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And how that happened was both looking at how much relief households get and also increasing the income threshold from $50,000 per household up to $65,000.
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Council will remember that at the most recent discussions on this we are also at your request analyzing what it would mean to look at changing the income threshold just to $55,000 instead of $65,000 and trying to give as much relief as possible.
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There are some proposals out there that would take us up to
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full relief all the way up to either $20,000 or $25,000 in income.
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So we talked a little bit about expenditure drivers.
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You know that about a third of all our money goes to schools.
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The total contribution of $57.3 million in FY20 is an increase of over $3.3 million or 6.2% in the coming year.
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I would tell you that by formula, you have conventionally had a policy about devoting some new revenues, 40% of it to the schools.
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Based on that formula, we would have contributed an additional $2.2 million this year.
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So obviously you're exceeding that by a good amount.
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And you continued to have some discussion as recently as our weekend public forum about whether we could meet the original school's request, which was at $3.8 million.
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So, in addition to those operational side needs, there is also the matter of what we fund in the capital side for the schools.
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There's six and a half million dollars in the coming year for the schools.
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in the FY20 budget.
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Three million of that is really to study and move forward with the planning design of the school reconfiguration that's been discussed and to prepare you for understanding what it may take in the 55 to 80 million dollar range for that reconfiguration.
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The other three and a half million dollars is for significant renovations that happen each year in the schools kind of in a rolling fashion throughout the stock of the schools since we have nine or ten buildings to maintain there.
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So you'll see that part of this budget is also to invest in employees, to take another step in what I think was rightly pointed out in our budget forum the other day.
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A new level of minimum wage in the city for city employees of $15 per hour.
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which is an increase of 4.17% and we use that same number in the proposed budget as the cost of living adjustment for all employees for several reasons.
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One is because we have a number of employees including in public safety who are at that 1440 level who will need to continue to move up.
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that we have not traditionally funded enough for compression issues and we have a lot of evidence that we're behind market in a number of departments.
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It also actualizes the mid-year adjustment in sworn police officers which happened earlier.
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at 4.83%, so we're taking on that expense annualized for the next year.
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We're doing this without any change in the healthcare premiums for employees.
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We've had good cost experience in the past year and in launching some new initiatives about online benefits and self-service.
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So there were a lot of new requests from departments.
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I want you to understand that we did not fund over $5 million worth of new requests, but there are a handful of changes that I think are significant to highlight for you.
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One is to give a half of year's funding.
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So to ask people to wait half the year to implement a requested position as a centralized safety coordinator, be housed in risk management, and help us advance
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Training and education that will help us in every department to make safer workplaces.
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The security manager which will be housed in the police department but is a really a full city-wide initiative looking at building safety, event planning, and a number of other initiatives that certainly we have emphasized over the last two years.
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DMV Select, this is kind of an enhancement as you're aware.
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Mr. Vandiver has brought this forward for the year that we're in.
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Our DMV is the second busiest in the state and that's why people wait a long time out there.
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He has a half-time employee who will move to full-time and that's what this expense is.
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We believe we'll realize additional revenue beyond that expense.
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One of the primary recommendations of the efficiency study in the Department of Neighborhood Development Services was to hire a support services manager underneath the assistant director who currently has 15 direct reports and we're implementing that at the mid-year in order to save some dollars and balance the budget.
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I'd like to get more and more of our transit drivers into regular full-time status and into benefited roles to increase the reliability of our system and to provide those benefits to folks.
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When we first began to analyze this, it looked like only two-thirds of all routes are able to be staffed by our full-time regular drivers.
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It seems like we want to move towards a standard that is more in the 85-90% range.
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I'd like to have had the money to maybe hire as many or convert as many as 14 of these drivers we're proposing for at this time.
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And we've had an efficiency, we're moving out of public works and into the utilities department so there's general fund savings because it will be dealt with in the regular rate, our storm water maintenance operations.
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So this is a year where we've talked a lot about ABRT and the idea that, you know, as there's some discussion about process changes and a work group that was kind of brought together by the mayor, that we've kind of held harmless folks and froze those dollars.
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There's a couple of things I want to highlight here.
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We did start mid-year with some dollars that were previously appropriated by council, a therapeutic docket.
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The fiscal agent is Offender Aid and Restoration but this is in the general district court specifically meant to assist people with mental health concerns who are interacting with the criminal justice system.
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I think it's a great enhancement to the system.
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We propose to continue funding that going forward.
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and there are some agencies that are not your traditional 501c3 nonprofits who we have either kind of a quasi-governmental or
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Contractual relationship with and you'll see that Jaunt and the library have some increases and that all the public safety agencies at the jail detention center and ECC are showing some decreases.
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And those are all based on our formulas in our agreements.
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So our debt service is going to increase based on some of the spending in the CIP by about $850,000 per year.
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And you did at year end in December allocate $3.2 million towards affordable housing initiatives.
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That's part of how we fund some of the things in the first year of the CIP that we'll talk about in a moment.
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So the CIP has over $35 million in year one.
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It is the budget that you're approving.
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And of course, the out years, the next four years are your plan.
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I would point out that there's $10.3 million in investment in affordable housing, and that the schools, as previously mentioned, are also
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A very significant expense.
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You see some of the other things that are part of this budget Go ahead
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So, with all that said, most of the time that we spend in the deliberations during February and March are about what didn't make it in, right?
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So, we've been looking at that.
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You're aware that we're still discussing at Dr. Bellamy's request whether there's any additional money for the full operating request of the schools.
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We had agreed earlier to fund the $3 million, but we don't have the data yet to figure out what should go towards school reconfiguration.
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There is quite a bit of discussion about whether we should include some flexible dollars that can be applied for in the CIP, in the Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund.
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You can see by how the budget is constructed in the CIP That you know, it looks like there's some zeros across that line, which is true That's because we've prescribed ahead of time where that money should go.
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And so the the most money that's ever been Devoted that I'm aware of to affordable housing in the city was 3.9 million dollars in any given year and this budgets at 10.3 million dollars and
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So we talked about CHAP.
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There's some scenarios out there we're going to revisit.
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We have some new scenarios with Commissioner Divers that we'll talk about tomorrow night.
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our departments just in their base budgets when we looked at some of the things that are the council and community priorities we said we're gonna have to make some cuts ourselves and so 1.39 million dollars was taken out of departmental operation requests and there was an additional 5.3 million dollars in new things that departments asked to do that we did not put into the budget
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And I know that this is a really big capital budget and there's this big item out here looming for the schools, but just to put it all in perspective, there's almost 110 million dollars in departmental proposals for capital expenses that did not make it into our plan.
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What did you say?
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Tell me more.
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So we do have a couple of additional meetings.
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We're here tonight.
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There's going to be four public hearings on the budget.
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We're going to be at a work session tomorrow night, depending on our progress there.
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We may meet next Wednesday evening with the hope that in two weeks we'll be back in front of council for our second public hearing on the budget and the first reading with the goal of doing budget approval, 2 p.m. April the 8th.
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So, as always we try and keep all of this up to date and available for the public at Charlottesville.org slash budget and happy to answer any and all questions from council but really the purpose of our discussion tonight is to hear from the public as much as possible for the public hearings.
SPEAKER_14
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This is what I'll say.
Nikuyah Walker
02:36:26
Thank you, Mr. Murphy.
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Thank you.
02:36:37
All right any questions Council?
02:36:38
All right.
02:36:40
So Carolyn, it looks like Carolyn Belt.
SPEAKER_21
02:36:50
My name is Carolyn Belt and I've been a citizen in Charlottesville for 71 years.
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I've signed every paper I think up there.
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But I wanted to thank Ms. Walker, our mayor, for trying to find out if our tax money is being spent the way it should be and if we are getting any results.
02:37:08
I think that has been one thing about you that I've liked.
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And other things too, but you really have care.
02:37:16
She is trying to use checks and balances to see if we are wasting our money or if it's just being put to good use.
02:37:25
The school system has always gone over budget and we still have one of the nation's largest educational gaps between white students and African Americans in the nation and we found that out from the New York Times paper.
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We don't even know how many students go to school in the city.
02:37:42
I have never seen a number.
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Have we dropped from last year?
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What is the number of students in the last five years?
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And are we improving?
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Where are the checks and balances in the school system?
02:37:56
What methods have they tried and what has worked and what hasn't?
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Do we have any of this data anywhere?
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Because I have never seen it.
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Children who are having problems reading can't get the attention they need in a large classroom.
02:38:12
Do we have more volunteers to help teachers in large classrooms?
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Are our teachers afraid to speak up because of the principal or higher ups?
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Maybe we need some whistle blowers.
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Let the teachers write to our mayor and tell her what they think is wrong in the classroom and their ideas to fix it.
02:38:30
Murray School seems to be doing well with students with smaller class sizes and a variety of classes.
02:38:37
When the school system tells us what is wrong, maybe I would feel more inclined to spend my tax dollars on the schools.
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But right now, I think we're wasting our money.
Heather Hill
02:38:48
Thank you.
SPEAKER_04
02:38:57
Yes, I got the first real estate's first on the agenda.
02:39:00
Yes, absolutely.
Nikuyah Walker
02:39:02
All right.
02:39:03
Mark, have it.
SPEAKER_06
02:39:16
Good evening.
02:39:18
I know that you all know the issues, so there's no sense in my going over those with you.
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My concerns were
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But what I do want to say is people are moving out of the city.
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I know in my neighborhood I know of a couple that's been there longer than I've been and once after a three year period of time their taxes went from $400 a month to $800 a month and they decided that it was time to move out and they moved over to the county.
02:39:44
A few years ago, the house next door to me, they spent quite a bit of money fixing the house up, remodeling it.
02:39:52
After the five year freeze was over, they saw the taxes go up to $10,000 a month.
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And she decided to, I'm sorry, $10,000 a year.
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And she decided to sell and she couldn't afford it.
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It was her dream house where she was hoping to retire to.
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So people are moving out.
02:40:13
We need to increase the limits of the tax relief for disabled and seniors as well as look at some of the other categories that we have and bring those up.
02:40:25
I know there's some question I was told because state law doesn't allow certain things to be changed over to a certain limit.
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So maybe that's something you can take on one of these days.
02:40:38
Rent on affordable housing goes up when we raise up the rates.
02:40:42
A landlord who has these high increases is just going to pass it on to the tenants and it makes the property that much more expensive for somebody.
02:40:54
I'm actually facing this myself where I've been seeing double digit increases.
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One of the reasons I bought my house is the fact that it did have an apartment to it.
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and I've tried to keep the rent on extremely low, way below market value, but I had to make a decision this year when my current tenant moves out to increase it by about 13%.
02:41:20
I want to mention something that I've discovered that's taking place in New York City and some other cities around the country that may be something that you all might want to look at.
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And that some other cities have multiple layers of real estate tax.
02:41:35
So I don't know what New York City does, I know that they have four levels, I don't know what those four levels are equal to, but maybe someone who buys a new house
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or new construction gets taxed at one rate.
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Someone that's been living in the same house for 20 years, maybe another rate.
02:41:52
Disabled individuals, maybe another rate.
02:41:54
So that may be something that needs to be looked at.
02:41:59
Of course there's also one other thing that could be done, you just need to not spend as much.
02:42:04
I don't personally mind spending a little bit more if the money's going into affordable housing to especially buy maybe land to put away for future use.
02:42:14
I'd be happy with that.
02:42:15
But what worries me is the fact that maybe seeing multiple year after year after year double digit increases.
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That pushes people out.
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Then there's a question, what are you going to do next year to increase revenue?
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So that may be something that needs to be thought about too.
02:42:34
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:42:34
Thank you.
02:42:36
Kimberly Hawkey.
Nicole Scro
02:42:44
Good evening.
SPEAKER_16
02:42:46
A lot of what I'm talking about has already been discussed, but I'm just here to state what our situation is.
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My name is Kimber Hawkey.
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I'm a long-term resident of Belmont and a homeowner since 2004.
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We took out two mortgages to buy our house back in Belmont 15 years ago.
02:43:07
Back when everyone said don't move into that neighborhood, it's the drug neighborhood.
02:43:11
Well, we went in and we
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We bought the house, almost lost the house to the bank when the economic crash happened and we both lost our jobs and we've been fighting to keep our house ever since.
02:43:24
We've had plans to renovate the 100 year old house since the very beginning, however with the oppressive rise in assessments, which for us is over 13% this year, that hardly seems possible.
02:43:35
And one other issue that's not been brought up about the assessments is that magically this year we have an extra bedroom on our house.
02:43:42
All of a sudden we've gone from a four to a five bedroom house.
02:43:45
We don't know how that happened.
02:43:47
And we also have a new greenhouse in our backyard.
02:43:50
I guess because we threw some plastic over the plants that we had there.
02:43:53
And if you look on the picture they actually have a
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a little like a shed or something and there's nothing even there so the problem in the assessment office more than just the problem of crazy assessment rises and so in addition to all this crazy assessment you're now looking to raise our taxes even more and it just seems like we're being doubly taxed and it doesn't seem like people are moving out it seems like people are being pushed out so
02:44:26
Last year, there were $41 million in added inventory to the property tax base from what we saw according to the assessment documents.
02:44:34
So aren't you already earning a lot more in tax money?
02:44:38
And why not use that instead of increasing our taxes?
02:44:43
There are also a lot more developments, as you can see on the PDF forms from the different development services, more development coming our way.
02:44:53
So again, why tax us further?
02:44:56
So let's look at some solutions, perhaps.
02:45:00
I'm no expert, but it seems like the fact that UVA pays nothing is crazy.
02:45:04
How is that even possible?
02:45:08
Why is it that their luxury apartments are going to increase neighbors' taxes?
02:45:13
That doesn't seem right either.
02:45:17
This seems to be that there could be a fashion to grandfather in long-term residence, have a tiered system according to how long someone has lived in their house.
02:45:30
Also there was a big article in the SEVA Weekly recently and about the nine and a half acres that the city is using to park cars in.
02:45:43
Why isn't something being done with that land instead of just parking cars there?
02:45:47
Seems also that you could combine city and county offices to save costs, as someone else had pointed out as well.
02:45:56
Like I said, I'm no expert.
02:45:58
There are other solutions, and we want to stay in our house.
02:46:02
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:46:02
Thank you.
02:46:04
Collette Hall.
SPEAKER_12
02:46:15
Colette Hall, and I'm also speaking for my husband, Kelton Flynn, who could not be here.
02:46:21
I live in Robertson Lane in the city.
02:46:24
Good evening, Ms. Mayor and Councillors and Mr. Murphy.
02:46:28
First, I want to thank Mr. Murphy, Mrs. Beauregard and their staffs for the year-long efforts they put into the annual budget and budget presentation.
02:46:37
A thankless job, but the most important task so the Council can discern and decide city funding.
02:46:46
An article in the Daily Progress, February 1st, 2019, headlined, Council discusses possible tax rate increases.
02:46:55
Quote, an average of 7.9% increase in assessed property values in 2018.
02:47:02
As usual, our house has gone up more than the average residential assessment, this year up 8.09%.
02:47:10
Our assessment has gone up 16 years out of the past 20 years, or over 425% increase.
02:47:20
Percent change since 2017 is 15.01%.
02:47:27
Yes, that's correct.
02:47:28
It's 15.01% increase.
02:47:32
And by the way, we're talking about a small to modest 1,500 square feet residential house on a small lot.
02:47:42
I have heard the restauranteurs complain because the council wants to raise the meal tax by 1%, so I propose a trade.
02:47:51
You pay my 15% increase and I'll pay your 1% increase.
02:47:56
Saturday I attended the Community Budget Forum.
02:48:00
I heard multiple speakers say, quote, raise my taxes and I will gladly pay more taxes.
02:48:06
I should have gotten their names and phone numbers.
02:48:09
I would propose they pay my 15% increase and I will pay the rest.
02:48:14
This would be win-win.
02:48:16
They would be paying the city more in taxes as they wish, and I would pay a lesser amount, albeit still high.
02:48:23
An increase in the tax rate is unjust and inequitable.
02:48:27
We will already be paying 8.09% higher in taxes.
02:48:34
In fact, anyone whose assessment has increased will be paying higher taxes even without a tax rate increase.
02:48:44
The solution is for council to spend millions less.
02:48:49
For example, spending millions on multiple consultant studies for the same projects like the Belmont Bridge or downtown parking.
02:49:00
or one third of the city budget, 57.3 million for schools who need to produce good outcomes as non-profits, profits are expected to do when they request city funding.
02:49:16
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
02:49:16
Thank you.
02:49:20
Jeff Vogel.
SPEAKER_41
02:49:28
Again, my name is Jeff Fogel.
02:49:30
I live in Belmont.
02:49:32
You need a sustained source of revenue if you're going to fulfill the commitment that you're making to affordable housing.
02:49:42
Several things that I don't think you've taken into account.
02:49:45
For example, in my own personal situation, I bought a house 12 years ago.
02:49:51
It was assessed at the purchase price.
02:49:54
The economy then tanked.
02:49:56
The value of my house according to assessments went down significantly and has only gotten back to where I was in 2006.
02:50:02
So this year I'm paying the same taxes that I paid in 2006.
02:50:07
And I can't be the only one in town who's in that situation.
02:50:11
Secondly, obviously you need a much more robust system of rebates for taxes for homeowners and also including the impact on renters as well.
02:50:23
But in the long term, the question is where are you going to be able to sustain the money and the commitment that you're making.
02:50:30
And the only place is in real estate taxes.
02:50:33
and the question is how do we have a progressive tax system that affords us income without harming the people who would be harmed, some of whom have spoken here tonight.
02:50:43
As an aside, I just need, I couldn't not say, the people who are concerned about white people moving out of this town should look at what's happened to black people.
02:50:51
54% of the people in this town were black.
02:50:54
in 1864 and now it's 19%.
02:50:58
Now what happened to your concerns about people moving out of town that reduced that population to a minority?
02:51:05
That has to be a concern as well.
02:51:06
And if you look at the demographics you'll see that the principal demographic that's leaving town is black and poor.
02:51:14
because they can't afford it, not middle class or rich.
02:51:17
But we've got a lot, a lot of rich people in our town and they can afford to pay more taxes.
02:51:22
And let's recall that one of the issues in town is the huge and humongous discrepancy in wealth and income.
02:51:29
The way our economy is set up, there's only one way to affect that and that's taxation.
02:51:34
and since the people who actually were going to pay more taxes under a Democratic regime in Washington ended up paying less taxes because of a Republican regime.
02:51:44
So now we have rich people paying considerably less taxes than they would have paid had the Democrats, most of whom they supported, been in office.
02:51:51
So there is that pot of money for those people which would not hurt them.
02:51:55
It will only bring them back to what they voted for when they voted for Hillary Clinton.
02:52:01
So those people have accepted the notion that they pay more taxes.
02:52:06
We need those taxes.
02:52:08
The only way you're going to be able to fulfill the commitment to affordable housing is to have a sustained source of income.
02:52:15
That's it.
02:52:16
It will help also decrease the huge disparity in income in town.
Nikuyah Walker
02:52:22
Thank you.
02:52:25
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the real estate tax?
SPEAKER_13
02:52:34
I would just like to echo some of the concerns that folks have had here.
02:52:38
My name is Aaron Winston, I'm an organizer with the Charlottesville Low Income Housing Coalition and a resident of the city.
02:52:46
Real estate taxes are going to be a necessary evil in the current legal framework that our city operates in.
02:52:54
We can't have an income tax in Charlottesville, unfortunately.
02:52:57
So the question remains, like, how do we have a real estate tax that is progressive?
02:53:03
And I think you are on the right track with the tax abatement program.
02:53:08
If done right, we can use this to reduce the impact of rising assessments and tax rates on our city's most vulnerable citizens.
02:53:16
But that leaves a lot of money out there that we are able to get at.
02:53:22
This money is vital for operating our city, not only for commitments to affordable housing, but to balance a budget.
02:53:31
The fact that there's over $100 million in unfunded requests in the general fund is, or excuse me, the CIP, is sobering.
02:53:39
That's a lot of work.
02:53:41
that we need to do to maintain the infrastructure in our town.
02:53:45
And we're not going to make a dent in that if we're just robbing Peter to pay Paul and move money around to important commitments.
02:53:52
This money has to come from somewhere.
02:53:54
So I encourage you to raise the real estate tax rate, but only if and when that is coupled with robust tax abatement for the city's low income population.
Nikuyah Walker
02:54:12
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the real estate tax?
SPEAKER_21
02:54:17
You've already been up, right?
02:54:19
But that wasn't real estate tax.
02:54:21
That was about the budget.
Nikuyah Walker
02:54:22
Yeah, no, that was just the real estate tax.
SPEAKER_21
02:54:25
Well, okay.
Nikuyah Walker
02:54:26
But the thing is this, if you raise the assessment... All right, is there anyone else who would like to...
SPEAKER_08
02:54:41
Hi, Walt Heinecky, 1521 Amherst Street.
02:54:45
So I want to first commend the council for making a commitment to affordable housing in this town.
02:54:52
I think we need to take a step.
02:54:54
When I start thinking about these issues, I'll start with how it's going to affect me, right?
02:55:01
How my assessment is going to go up, how my taxes are going to go up.
02:55:04
I think we really need to reframe how we're thinking about this.
02:55:09
We're here because people who look like me didn't stand up against racial covenants, against redlining, against decimating Vinegar Hill, and against racist zoning.
02:55:21
That's why we're here today talking about affordable housing.
02:55:23
That's why we have an affordable housing crisis.
02:55:26
And finally, council is addressing the affordable housing crisis in a substantive manner, and I commend you for that.
02:55:32
We have a housing study that shows us that we have 3300 units of affordable housing.
02:55:39
We're in the hole, 3300 units, and it's going to take us quite a while to get there.
02:55:43
Your own HAC, your Housing Advisory Committee, figured out that it would take us about 15 years to fix that problem.
02:55:52
And they backtracked it, and it looks like it's going to cost about 150 million, so that's about a $10 million commitment per year.
02:55:59
That's why we're supporting a real estate increase, because it's a long term problem that needs a long term solution.
02:56:07
So I'm happy to see the one cent increase supported by three of you on Saturday.
02:56:14
I have been listening
02:56:15
Councilor Hill's concerns that a real estate increase just gets passed on by owners to renters and so that's why I really think that we should maybe start thinking about doubling down on programs like the CHAP and programs like CSRAP and anything else that actually
02:56:35
gets us to the progressive kind of tax that we really need.
02:56:39
And I'm thinking that maybe we should even get to say this, because I know you're not going to want to hear it, but maybe 1-1-1 isn't enough.
02:56:47
Maybe we need to add to get to a larger threshold for supporting people who are being hit by real estate assessments, by being hit by real estate taxes and MELA taxes or whatever.
02:56:57
We need to get the threshold up
02:56:59
That's how you do progressive change in a town like this.
02:57:02
And let's face it, the federal government is not coming over the hill to save us.
02:57:07
The state government is not coming over the hill to save us.
02:57:11
We are finally on our own.
02:57:14
And how you respond to this
02:57:15
reflects the values of this community in a way that implicates what's happened with 2017 and then a national conversation about racism and white nationalism and it also reflects about our awakening to our historical discrimination in this town, generations of historical discrimination.
02:57:34
I urge you to really think about doubling down in a way that gets you more in CHAP, that gets you more in CSRAP so that you can address some of the problems, the issues that have been brought up today.
02:57:46
Because in the capital of resistance, that's how we roll.
Nikuyah Walker
02:57:52
Thank you.
02:57:53
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the real estate tax?
SPEAKER_30
02:57:59
Good evening, mayor and council.
02:58:01
My name is Brad Slocum and I promise I'll be brief.
02:58:04
I just don't think we need to reinvent the wheel on some of the stuff.
02:58:07
There are many, many communities around the country dealing with this exact same issue.
02:58:14
I can only speak from my experience as far as the city of Ithaca dealing with Cornell University and to a lesser extent Ithaca College right on their doorstep.
02:58:25
To my knowledge, Cornell University pays
02:58:28
zero or close to zero taxes on their land and the City of Ithaca is dealing also with affordable housing issues and where to generate revenue.
02:58:40
They are working on solutions.
02:58:42
I wish I had more details to offer.
02:58:44
But I'm sure there are other cities throughout the country that are trying to figure this out I'm sure there's tons of state and federal level things with trying to tax UVA as Far as how they can contribute to this community, but I don't see them in this room I'm sure they may be involved in some of the other discussions, but I'd really just like to echo the sentiments that have been
02:59:07
made earlier as far as this needing to be a sustainable thing.
02:59:12
I did some quick math and the gentleman earlier with the 400 something thousand dollar assessment.
02:59:20
putting that in 1998 dollars that would have put his fifty five thousand dollar home at two hundred fifty thousand dollars.
02:59:28
So somehow in 20 years, his home got his home and land got five times more valuable.
02:59:35
I don't know what that looks like, but I think the the comments about the pressure from other projects somehow
02:59:43
raising assessments and things like that need to be looked at to the tax breaks all that kind of thing because it has to be a sustainable solution I'm not saying just go beat up UVA for money even though we definitely should
02:59:58
But that like has to be looked at in a sustainable way.
03:00:02
It can't just be a one time like have them hand us a bag of coins and walk away and say we did our part.
03:00:09
There have to be longer term solutions and there's something right on our doorstep that can definitely be looked at.
03:00:15
So thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:00:17
All right, thank you.
SPEAKER_14
03:00:19
Ithaca's mayor is Savante Merrick.
03:00:22
We can ask him.
SPEAKER_20
03:00:23
I'm going to shoot him a text.
03:00:27
Nancy Carpenter, I'm here speaking in support of a tax increase, but first I want to acknowledge the frustration and pain I hear from a lot of people who have been up here before in front of you talking about how they want to maintain their residency in this city.
03:00:42
and how difficult it's become because of assessments, not necessarily because of the tax rate, because it is 95, apparently it was $1.13 some years ago before the crash in 2008.
03:00:53
So that seems to be an issue.
03:00:54
I know that when a couple years ago, some of my neighbors called me and talked to me about the assessments that they had in their neighborhood and why.
03:01:04
I mean, the land is still the land.
03:01:05
Nothing's really changed on it other than what we give it as a value, which is
03:01:09
certainly you know can go up and down but one of the things I wanted to say is that agree with a sustainable revenue source for affordable housing because if any of you have been watching the news Mr. Trump came up with his 2020 budget which is his budget kind of like what the city manager's budget is and you know the Congress will work on it but when it comes to housing he's talking about zeroing out CDBG, zeroing out home
03:01:36
zeroing out I think under public housing operating monies I mean zero and significantly cutting the housing choice voucher program which will significantly affect elderly, disabled and families so in looking at the long run we do need to have that sustainable source but I think there's also room to even increase
03:01:59
Tax relief for the people that feel like they're being pushed out.
03:02:03
It's a class war.
03:02:05
It can also be racial equity that there does need to, I think, be an expansion of that type of tax relief because we are going to go to higher density housing.
03:02:14
And if higher density housing is going to be a little more expensive, going to have more people in the city to to share the burden of the real estate tax, which funds our schools, because we do want children that
03:02:26
get a good education in our public school systems so that they want to stay in their home communities or they want to go to a university and come back to their home community because they can, because they like it, you know, good memories maybe.
03:02:40
So hopefully you will adopt the one I would prefer to but I'll, you know, if 1% is what gets it this time around then let's go 1% but let's look at expanding the income levels for your CHAP program.
03:02:53
and other interventions because I am a renter.
03:02:55
I choose to be a renter at this age in my life.
03:02:57
I don't want to be a homeowner again.
03:02:59
And there are interventions that can help tenants.
03:03:04
It could be in the form of, I know there are some landlords in here, but it could be in the form of perhaps some type of rent control if Virginia allows that.
03:03:10
Mr. Blair, I'm sure, could address that.
03:03:13
But there are interventions that can be done.
03:03:15
There are other funds that you all have in your budget that can be perhaps more robust to help tenants if they feel the effects.
03:03:23
And thank you very much.
SPEAKER_23
03:03:31
I wanted to take Tanisha Hudson's advice and commend this council, commend Mr. Murphy about this amazing budget.
03:03:40
It is historic and I think we should recognize that.
03:03:43
And it's also breaking a long tradition of disinvestment and exclusion, not just in the city but across the nation.
03:03:51
And so you are moving in the right direction.
03:03:53
These commitments must be permanent and long term.
03:03:56
Just like Walt said, the HAC is looking at a $150 million price tag for the needs of this city.
03:04:05
Honestly, the how is up to you.
03:04:06
The 111, the meals tax.
03:04:09
Honestly, I don't think that CLIC has a strong feeling one way or another about these directions.
03:04:16
And also, Legal Aid Justice Center is happy to work with this city.
03:04:20
I heard a lot of ideas tonight.
03:04:22
with regard to about tax relief ideas and also looking at different areas of the city to try to protect homeowners.
03:04:32
We agree that that's an issue.
03:04:34
And so the only ask that I have is with regard to the tax relief issue to increase the tax relief that is available.
03:04:44
We actually have an infographic here from
03:04:48
About 2017, I believe, and I just have a copy for each of you.
03:04:52
I think there's a camera here.
03:04:55
Just of the home ownership that has decreased of black home ownership in the city of Charlottesville since 2000, it's gone down by 23%, and this is because
03:05:06
of the increase in taxes so you know this is an issue I'm not we're not poo-pooing that part away and I think that the tax relief is a way to deal with that issue and increasing the caps will make a difference I actually just you know we have clients that come into our office often and
03:05:23
who have these issues and they might have applied for the tax relief program but it's not enough.
03:05:28
They need more and those levels are way too low.
03:05:31
But again, I commend you.
03:05:34
We encourage you to increase the CAF contribution as well as the rent subsidy voucher program.
03:05:39
And here is my-
SPEAKER_03
03:05:53
Good evening, Brandon Collins.
03:05:55
I live in Charlottesville.
03:05:56
I've lived here my entire life.
03:05:58
I have three children who've lived here their entire lives.
03:06:00
I've paid attention to city government for a very long time, and every year this conversation happens about assessments.
03:06:09
And I know it's been particularly rough over the past few years in terms of rising assessments, but it's always been a way to pass the buck and get counsel off the hook for raising taxes and raising money through the assessments.
03:06:22
You know, it's part of the growing pains we're going to have to understand and get a handle on as we approach the affordable housing crisis, which you are doing.
03:06:34
You've seen the numbers, you've got the housing assessment, you've seen the tool put forward by the HAC,
03:06:40
You can see we have about a half billion dollar with a billion dollar affordable housing crisis in Charlottesville and your investment over a hundred and fifty million over a period of years
03:06:55
could realize that and could significantly change things and you come up with that money and like Mr. Heinecky said, you have to have a funding stream to make that happen.
03:07:06
As we look at that, we have to look at all versions.
03:07:10
It's not just units that need to be built that we need to build a lot.
03:07:14
We need to have many different types of interventions in terms of the city voucher program.
03:07:20
Homeownership, the CAF, and all this.
03:07:24
And we can't talk about affordable homeownership unless we're talking about some kind of tax relief, right?
03:07:30
There are contradictions built into our economy that are just going to be a pain for us to deal with in Charlottesville.
03:07:36
We live in the Confederate state, the Dillon rule state.
03:07:39
of Virginia.
03:07:40
And that makes things really difficult.
03:07:42
And we know these are challenges we're going to have to do.
03:07:44
So we have to incorporate that into our housing strategy plan as we craft that over the next year.
03:07:49
But it's vitally important to get that funding.
03:07:53
I support a real estate increase.
03:07:55
I'm a homeowner.
03:07:56
It's really hard.
03:07:57
I almost hate it, and I wish I had never done it.
03:08:00
I'm going to keep my home because I love this city, right?
03:08:03
But we need this tax relief, and we need as much as we can get.
03:08:06
So as we raise the real estate tax,
03:08:08
We really need to raise those caps for tax relief and just go for it.
03:08:15
End of the day, every cent you spend has nothing to do with all the analysis and all the historical stuff, all this stuff that I like to talk about all the time.
03:08:23
Big dreams, lots of analysis.
03:08:26
The end of the day, every cent you spend means one child is not sleeping in a car, is not sleeping in a hotel.
03:08:32
There are seniors who are not dying early from the poor quality of life.
03:08:36
We're talking about thousands of people in this city that you can have an impact on and that's where those cents go, cents on the dollar.
Nikuyah Walker
03:08:42
Thank you.
Michael Payne
03:08:55
Michael Payne, city resident, renter in Belmont.
03:09:00
I would just encourage council to really prioritize expanding the CHAP program to the maximum amount that you think you can do it.
03:09:06
I think we've heard a lot of testimony from folks about why that's important.
03:09:09
And I'd also just say I'm glad the conversation around assessments is happening.
03:09:13
because I think it hits a part of the affordable housing crisis that we don't discuss enough, which is land speculation and the fact that whether we raise or reduce the real estate tax, assessments are still going to go up.
03:09:25
And a lot of that does not actually have to do with supply and demand.
03:09:27
That's part of it.
03:09:29
but a lot of it is land speculation of a cycle of when investors see assessment rising they see an investment opportunity and they will hold on to land or try to invest in land with the explicit goal of flipping it which only further increases assessments.
03:09:42
Other cities have gone through this cycle, we're going through this cycle right now and the question is how to stop that cycle and I think a lot of that has to happen
03:09:50
a lot of council's policies but some things outside of council and I would just encourage council and the community to really explore the value of community land trusts as a way to decommodify land and stop this cycle because if we're not utilizing community land trusts and figure out ways to acquire land and get it into the hands of the housing authority or a land trust
03:10:10
We could spend millions of dollars and in 50 years not make nearly as much of dent as we thought we could, or we might be unable to stop this cycle of displacement in working class neighborhoods.
03:10:19
And I would again, related to that, just remind council and the community, there's a lot of discussion about building more density and building more units can reduce rents.
03:10:28
It's true.
03:10:29
But we also need to remember that research shows if you build a dense luxury unit in a wealthy neighborhood, it'll reduce rents regionally.
03:10:35
But if you build a dense luxury unit in a working class neighborhood, it'll reduce rents regionally, but it'll also skyrocket rents in that specific neighborhood and displace people.
03:10:44
So the question of where are we putting density matters tremendously.
03:10:48
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:10:52
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the real estate tax?
03:10:58
All right, I'm going to close the public hearing.
03:11:07
No questions.
03:11:09
Next we have the city manager proposed budget for fiscal year 2020.
03:11:14
The first speaker we have is Aaron Winston.
SPEAKER_13
03:11:25
I've already said a lot of my piece.
03:11:29
I'm Aaron Winston, city resident.
03:11:31
But just echoing some of the things said earlier about commending y'all for the hard work you're doing on this budget.
03:11:37
If you had told me we'd have 10 million dollars in this budget a year ago, I would have called you a liar.
03:11:42
So thank you very much for the good faith efforts that you're putting in.
03:11:46
I'd also just like to draw your attention to a letter that was just recently sent to the council emails.
03:11:52
It's from a collection of eight
03:11:55
separate housing advocacy organizations signing on to a letter of intent saying that we are encouraging every potential avenue for raising revenues in ways that don't affect the low-income community and devoting those dollars towards affordability.
03:12:11
So if you'll check your emails, you'll find a letter from us there.
03:12:14
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:12:15
Thank you.
03:12:17
Linda Seaman.
03:12:21
Carolyn Belt.
SPEAKER_21
03:12:24
The proposed budget.
SPEAKER_35
03:12:32
Or have we finished with that one?
Heather Hill
03:12:39
I think it was unclear.
03:12:41
She's the first speaker.
03:12:42
I don't know if you're aware of which one we were on.
Nikuyah Walker
03:12:45
Well, I mean, that's a part of the budget.
SPEAKER_21
03:12:48
I have it on lodging tax, too.
03:12:51
We're not.
03:12:52
All right, I'll do it on real estate then.
03:12:59
Well, when you assessed it at $500 million, I thought that was enough instead of going ahead and adding the tax on.
03:13:09
And the thing is this, if you assess it, you can't get real estate relief.
03:13:16
You can't get real estate relief if your house is assessed higher than what you're asking for.
03:13:23
So this is my problem and I was thinking why not give people 65 and older a break on their real estate and just do it across the board.
03:13:39
If you're 65 you get a break, if you're 70 you get a little bit more break.
03:13:43
We need something to help us because we're stuck in the middle here.
03:13:48
The house is assessed too much.
03:13:51
Even though the money is okay, we can't still get relief.
03:13:58
So that's my problem.
Nikuyah Walker
03:13:59
All right, thank you.
03:14:03
Peter.
Peter Krebs
03:14:11
Good evening, Council.
03:14:12
Peter Krebs, city resident.
03:14:16
One of my mentors taught me that design equity is often revealed in the small gestures, not the huge ones.
03:14:24
She told me that spaces that work well for the elderly, for the young, and the disabled provides access for those who need it the most, but they're also great spaces for everyone.
03:14:36
Actually, I could almost make a paper airplane in my speech after that Bennett's Village playground proposal, because they said it super well.
03:14:45
The current budget contains some subtle elements that are good and equity focused.
03:14:52
For example, it doubles the city's commitment to ADA sidewalks, upgrades, and retrofits.
03:15:00
So people can walk, roll, or be pushed through our city streets with dignity.
03:15:07
It includes a restroom at Riverview Park.
03:15:09
I'm glad that stayed in the budget because it's mostly going to serve the very young, the old mothers and their children.
03:15:18
That's great.
03:15:19
These are examples of the kind of work that we need to do to make the resources that we have truly available to everyone.
03:15:27
I applaud that.
03:15:28
The budget does not include any of the large gesture projects that
03:15:33
We see sometimes, for example, the new pedestrian bridge in McIntyre Park.
03:15:39
I'm actually fine with that.
03:15:41
I think you guys are doing it the right way and you'll see why in a second.
03:15:46
The completion of the Jefferson Area Bike Ped Plan
03:15:52
which is just now being approved is going to bring forward some very exciting opportunities for crossing barriers like highways, the Rivanna River, streams and even railroad tracks.
03:16:05
These are big investments that only government can make.
03:16:09
Albemarle County is making an unprecedented 6 million plus dollar investment in bike pedestrian infrastructure but interestingly that's dropping in FY21 so they can use the time to find the exact right mix of projects.
03:16:29
I think you should do something similar.
03:16:35
Although I'd always love to see more funding for bike ped in Charlottesville, I think you should think ahead a little bit and set aside now, starting either now or in FY21 when the county is also dropping its bike ped money.
03:16:52
Make a smart, well-crafted package of investments that will help us become the safe, connected, equitable community that we would like to be here.
03:17:05
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:17:12
Joan Swanberg.
03:17:22
Walt Heineke.
SPEAKER_08
03:17:28
Just quickly, Walt Heinecky, 1521 Amherst Street.
03:17:32
Two things about the budget, three things.
03:17:34
Thanks for all the hard work by staff.
03:17:37
I really appreciate it because it shows a lot of thoughtfulness in the budget.
03:17:43
One on sort of the negative what I heard today from some citizens is that we can do better in terms of prioritizing and eliminating waste and I think some of the past decisions that have been made about consultants and other things are kind of hurting us today because people have lost some confidence in the ability of the city to sort of efficiently look at cost expenditures when it comes to those kinds of things so I want to
03:18:09
I want to just sort of reiterate that I think we really should be taking a hard look at the ABRT process and I'm an evaluator by training and the only two questions I ask repeatedly for 22 years have been, is this program working well and should we fund it?
03:18:26
and I'm not quite sure the city does that very well.
03:18:28
We need to ask more questions about our programs and evaluating our programs.
03:18:33
Maybe think about bringing in some help from UVA or something to help with thinking about that.
03:18:40
The last thing I wanted to say on this issue is, again, big picture, I think next year when the media comes back and they start saying, well what has Charlottesville done to respond to 2017?
03:18:51
I think this budget's going to be a jewel in that crown.
03:18:54
And I think it's going to be a way of responding to that question nationally.
03:18:57
So I applaud you for this budget and its commitments to affordable housing.
03:19:01
I hope, and I have to admit I didn't look closely enough, but I hope there's some money in that budget to support an effective CRB.
03:19:11
As it's developed, it's going to need to be staffed and funded at a significant level.
03:19:16
And I'm not quite sure if that's in the budget, so if it's not, I ask you to take another look at that.
Nikuyah Walker
03:19:20
Thanks Don Gathers
Don Gathers
03:19:35
Good evening again Council, Don Gathers, City resident.
03:19:40
To echo what the sentiments are of so many that I've heard, kudos to you all for the hard work that you put in and to you Mr. Murphy for the budget that you put together.
03:19:50
Thankful that it includes so much towards affordable housing.
03:19:54
Am I correct though that I saw that
03:19:58
In the city schools budget, $6.5 million is earmarked for CIP projects and $3 million of that is for study.
03:20:12
I think if we would just simply talk with the school board, with the school staff, with the student
03:20:25
and shifted somewhere else rather than utilizing three million dollars of almost half of their CIP for a study.
03:20:35
We sometimes study things to death and I think that money would be best utilized somewhere else.
03:20:44
and if we can't put it into the actual school building so that students can study, then let's look at some monies going towards specifically and directly towards public housing and even beyond that, jobs programs for our low income residents, maybe some sort of go tech program since there are so many tech jobs in the area and coming to the area so that we can prepare people for these jobs when they do come available.
03:21:12
and then transportation so that the residents of low income and public housing communities can get to those jobs once they are prepared for them.
03:21:22
I just think that
03:21:25
that there's so much more that can be done.
03:21:28
I applaud what's being set aside right now in the 10 plus million for affordable housing.
03:21:35
But let's also, let's not forget the public housing segment as well and make sure that we take care of all of those affected in those particular communities.
03:21:45
And it has just a domino effect.
03:21:50
if we want to move them and transition them upwardly we've got to have jobs available and that means that they've got to be trained and taught these jobs that are coming in and then they have to be able to get to these jobs so unless all of that's already in place and also let's make sure that we take care of the reentry program so that our people can again be made viable and
03:22:15
useful citizens here once they re-enter the communities and the workforce.
03:22:22
So I just would really like that we would really hope that we would possibly approach the school system about that $3 million study.
Nikuyah Walker
03:22:36
The $3 million is a part of the school's male equity plan.
03:22:45
They have been presenting this plan for a decade to place the fifth grade classrooms back into the elementary school and move sixth, seventh, and eighth together.
03:22:55
So that $3 million is actually part, not just a study, but the design phase to make that happen.
03:23:04
make Walker a centralized preschool and it's part of the shift they want to make happen to have less
03:23:17
The last transitions through school that they think would help with some of the equity, the equity piece that we are discussing.
Don Gathers
03:23:24
And I think if we break that out and explain it better, it sounds better than just $3 million earmarked and designated for us.
Nikuyah Walker
03:23:32
We did, we had several meetings.
03:23:36
You mean here?
SPEAKER_22
03:23:38
Okay, yeah.
03:23:38
If I may, Mayor Walker, maybe they're actually going to be using that money to produce what they call construction documents.
03:23:46
leading to the construction of these new reconfigured schools.
03:23:51
It's not a study.
03:23:53
It's architectural and engineering documents.
03:23:56
I'm just saying how it was presented.
03:23:59
Call it out as what it is.
03:24:02
It's construction documents that will then give a much more accurate estimate as to what it's going to cost.
Nikuyah Walker
03:24:09
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on City Manager's proposed budget?
03:24:30
Our close public hearing on that one.
03:24:33
Next, we have the proposed mill tax rate for fiscal year 2020.
03:24:39
So Mark Cabot, you're up first.
SPEAKER_06
03:24:58
I just think you need to be very, very careful with taxes on meals and lodging.
03:25:04
It really does have an effect on people whether they want to go out as much as they may do otherwise.
03:25:10
I'll use an example for myself.
03:25:12
I can be pretty cheap at times, and I literally have not gone across the street over here to get a muffin because I kind of resent the fact that I'm paying 10 cents on a dollar muffin for taxes.
03:25:28
I know sometimes I'm kind of reluctant to go out to a restaurant because I know how much I'm going to pay in taxes when I go out to eat.
03:25:36
So do be concerned about that.
03:25:38
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:25:42
Walt Heineken.
03:25:44
Which weapon is that?
SPEAKER_08
03:25:47
This is what you get when you give a guy 12 minutes in one night.
03:25:52
And I'm not even running for anything.
03:25:56
So I just want to think a little out of the box here.
03:26:01
Like the dude or Jeffrey Lebowski once said, my thinking on this has been all messed up and all wrong.
03:26:09
I want us to think about reframing the meals tax in a particular way.
03:26:20
The way I see the meals tax, I see it as an opportunity to support our post-2017 equity policy here.
03:26:29
in Charlottesville.
03:26:31
I personally actually would be incentivized to eat more in Charlottesville restaurants if I knew that the money that I was spending in those restaurants was going to support affordable housing and the CRB and other equity issues that you guys are all working on.
03:26:45
So I would be thinking this is a great opportunity and I think
03:26:49
I do think if we reframe this in a particular way that a lot of other people are going to be thinking that this is what they should be doing once they hear that this money is going toward positive outcomes and solving real social problems in this town.
03:27:06
I think, in fact, I'll bet you that the number of meals will go up in Charlottesville once the public understands the commitment
03:27:15
of this council and this city to social justice.
03:27:18
People will want to come from Charlottesville, Albemarle and other places because they know that that small tax is being spent on equity issues.
03:27:26
So I predict that that will lead to an increase in revenues for restaurants.
03:27:32
So I think from my point of view, when I think about the meals tax, what it looks like to me is an opportunity to engage in socially conscious investing.
03:27:42
That's the way I see it.
03:27:44
And I think other people are going to see that as well.
03:27:46
Thanks.
Nikuyah Walker
03:27:49
Thank you.
03:27:51
Nancy Carpenter.
SPEAKER_20
03:28:01
again thank you for letting me address you I'm just here in support of the meals tax I was asked today how I my opinion and strictly my opinion how I thought the meals tax might affect a certain cohort that I'm have experience with and I said that it's not going to hurt them at all because there are plenty of options
03:28:21
for folks to receive meals.
03:28:25
And I think, like Walt said and Mr. Kavitz said, if we're putting money from the tax into something that has an outcome, a positive outcome, and it is true, Charlottesville is on the cutting edge of what has been going on in the last two years in this country and globally.
03:28:43
and I think that if we are seen as a leader in addressing our equity issues that have been the result of 150 years of policies
03:28:54
that I didn't put in place, you know, but I have benefited from those policies and I now know how I benefit and I want to change those policies and make this city a more equitable place for everyone that's here, no matter whether you're been born and raised here and want to raise your family here, if you're a refugee that comes to this country because you see it still,
03:29:18
for a reason as a shining beacon or you are someone who comes here because of school and you like the area but I think the meals tax is a small part to pay when we want to create and have a more just world.
03:29:35
We're imagining what that is and with this equity policy that you all are talking about perhaps it can start coming to fruition.
03:29:42
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:29:44
Thank you.
03:29:45
Is there anyone else who would like to speak about regarding the mill tax increase for fiscal year 2020?
03:29:54
All right, I'm going to close that public hearing.
03:29:59
Next, we have the proposed lodging tax rate for fiscal year 2020.
03:30:02
And the first of two readings, we have Carolyn Belt, first up.
SPEAKER_21
03:30:19
I would like to somehow separate the lodging tax from Airbnb and hotels.
03:30:29
Hotels are a big corporation and they have them backing them.
03:30:36
We are paying the tax out of what we make the Airbnb.
03:30:42
We are cleaning and changing sheets, not hotel staffs.
03:30:47
And I just think it's unfair that the Airbnb's are being taxed just like the hotels.
03:30:53
When it's really a family business, when you're trying to make a little money, you pay your taxes.
03:30:59
And I just think it should be somehow separated.
03:31:04
That's my opinion.
Nikuyah Walker
03:31:07
Walt.
SPEAKER_08
03:31:14
On the lodging tax, here again it's about the perception of this community.
03:31:22
I think people are going to want to come here when they see a lodging tax for social equity purposes.
03:31:27
They're going to say, this is where my money's going.
03:31:30
And it doesn't really affect our community that much as people coming in.
03:31:34
It's people that come to the football games.
03:31:37
It's people that come for UVA events.
03:31:39
So I say,
03:31:40
Let's rob Peter to pay Paul.
03:31:46
I'd be happy to create a nice little sign that says my hotel supports equity and give it to every hotel owner in town that supports this tax increase.
03:31:57
So they can hang it in their window and people can see that they support equity.
03:32:01
and maybe it'll increase their lodging rates and maybe more people want to stay in those hotels over other hotels.
03:32:07
And another thing is you've already given them a deal.
03:32:10
You let them build all these hotels in this city.
03:32:13
You've already done something for them.
03:32:15
Let them do something for us, right?
03:32:17
So this is where I really think we can start to think about doubling down on increasing funds for the CHAP.
03:32:23
for the Charlottesville affordable housing fund for any kind of rental tax relief.
03:32:28
This is where I think we can start doubling down and start figuring out where we're going to get that income.
03:32:33
So again, I know you're all kind of most of you are at 111, but I would encourage you to think more more
03:32:40
expansively about where we're going to get the funds for CHAP and the Affordable Housing Fund and the rental tax relief.
03:32:50
And I think the lodging taxes makes perfect sense to go there.
03:32:53
Thanks.
Nikuyah Walker
03:32:54
Thank you.
03:32:57
Nancy Carpenter.
SPEAKER_20
03:33:07
Thank you, Nancy Carpenter.
03:33:08
I'm here talking in support of the lodging tax.
03:33:11
Just today, the Marriott Corporation, which has a number of their hotels in the city, released their five-year strategy plan.
03:33:20
They're planning on building 1,700 hotels, which I'm sure are globally, over the next five years, and also give back their shareholders about $11 billion.
03:33:29
So I don't think that they're going to squabble too much or any of these other corporate hotel chains are going to squabble too much.
03:33:36
about a 2% lodging tax because if you're going to come here because you're an alumnus and you want to go to a football game or a basketball game or you're coming for a film festival or a book festival or a beer festival, you want to go on a beer tour, hop the crozet winery trolley that they have now.
03:33:53
and go and do that kind of stuff.
03:33:54
I think you're going to come and do it.
03:33:55
I don't think five or six or seven dollars increase is going to stop you from wanting to come to this city and enjoy some of the cultural activities.
03:34:07
Someone mentioned Airbnb's.
03:34:09
I'm very conflicted about Airbnb's because I think it takes rental housing out of the market.
03:34:13
If you're going to rent out your place, rent it out all the year.
03:34:17
So that's a different issue.
03:34:19
I don't know if they can be separated out or whether they even should.
03:34:22
I'll leave that to the city manager's office and the staff there and you all to kind of hash that out, but thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:34:30
Thank you.
03:34:32
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the lodging tax?
SPEAKER_06
03:34:49
I want to agree with the gentleman behind me who made the comment that if he knew where the taxes money was going to, such as to affordable housing, that it would be more acceptable to him.
03:35:01
I would also agree with him on that.
03:35:04
I also want to say something concerning like B&Bs.
03:35:06
There's a lot of taxes money that's being lost through both assessments not being done correctly and B&Bs.
03:35:13
I know of B&Bs, people that are collecting the tax money, but it's not being reported to the city.
03:35:19
There needs to be a crackdown on the companies that are operating that way and there needs to be enforcement of the rules and regulations that are already on the books.
03:35:29
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:35:31
Thank you.
03:35:33
Is there anyone else who would like to?
SPEAKER_03
03:35:36
Brandon Collins, I live in Charlottesville.
03:35:39
I've lived here my entire life.
03:35:43
You know I got spurred on by the question of Airbnbs and it really just occurred to me there is a problem with Airbnb in terms of if we're looking at accessory dwelling units, people who have a basement apartment or have an apartment outside their house, there's been a lot of talk about that being a way to
03:36:00
Something we can encourage to meet our affordable housing needs and it's expensive to get somebody to incentivize them to provide that at a lower rent for somebody to live in and then they have to compete against Airbnb.
03:36:14
You know, if you are going to do anything, you should tax them at the same as you would a hotel, right?
03:36:21
It's still probably a money maker for whoever's doing Airbnb versus what they would make off of affordable housing.
03:36:27
But it just seems like just kind of wanted to point that out.
03:36:31
Lastly, just to kind of wrap up, I know this is lodging tax, but you've got various taxes.
03:36:36
It seems to me, you know, there's support for raising revenue.
03:36:40
The hard part it seems to me that you all are having is which tax and how much.
03:36:45
And I really just really encourage you all to work really hard together to find a solution to fund this stuff.
03:36:51
It's vitally important.
03:36:53
Again, you know, there are at least 500 people on public housing waiting lists.
03:36:58
I think if you combine that with Section 8 waiting, unless you're talking about 1,200 people, we're looking at the city voucher program coming in to try to ease some of that pressure and just not being able to get far enough to ease that kind of pressure.
03:37:09
So when you're looking at these taxes, when you're looking at lodging tax, because it's a lodging tax public hearing, please come to some kind of agreement and make it meaningful and make it work out because we really need this and we know you want to address this and we know you can do it.
Nikuyah Walker
03:37:25
Thank you.
03:37:25
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on the lodging tax rate for fiscal year 2020?
03:37:33
Okay, I'm going to close public hearing.
03:37:35
And just a reminder that we will have a budget meeting tomorrow night at 6
03:37:43
6pm so you all can come out again and join us.
SPEAKER_22
03:37:47
Mr. Walker, just a question for Mr. Murphy.
Nikuyah Walker
03:37:49
But where are we at?
03:37:51
Are we at City's Bay?
03:37:52
Water Street.
03:37:53
Water Street tomorrow.
03:37:54
So 6pm at Water Street.
SPEAKER_22
03:37:56
So Mr. Murphy, tomorrow night you're going to be clarifying what the
03:38:00
111 plan provides and my understanding on Saturday when we discussed this that that would allow us to more robustly fund the CHAP relief program as well as a rental relief program.
SPEAKER_04
03:38:19
Yes, so there are probably more additions that are hoped for from the council than the extra one in real estate accounts for.
03:38:33
But as I understand the mission for me and the staff, it is this, that there is a hope that we put a million dollars into flexible funding for application in the Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund.
03:38:48
that we will look at some scenarios where we can add to go further than we have in the manager's budget on CHAP and I had suggested that we look also at the rental side that we have not previously discussed in the budget.
03:39:09
There is, in addition, some discussion.
03:39:15
We'll present you with a scenario and a recommendation.
03:39:18
I've heard several councillors talk about if you're going to increase meals and lodging, should we carve out any of that new revenue for those industries for some sort of
03:39:30
Marketing, advertisement, etc.
03:39:32
So we'll prompt that question in our analysis.
03:39:37
So I think in broad strokes, I think that while there is ballpark less than this $771,000 being added in potential revenues with the real estate 111 plan that I've got us at roughly minus $800,000 that the staff is working on tomorrow.
Nikuyah Walker
03:40:03
Thank you.
03:40:06
Any other questions?
Heather Hill
03:40:09
So after tomorrow's discussion, we'll know if we're going to have another meeting the following week.
03:40:13
Is that fair?
SPEAKER_04
03:40:14
Okay.
03:40:15
Sure.
03:40:20
And Mr. Blair, if you would just clarify for the councillors, it's my understanding that since the manager's proposed budget had the one cent, one cent on meals and lodging, that we won't need to re-advertise public hearings.
03:40:35
But should they endorse real estate, that's less clear because it's not in the manager's budget, but we did advertise the potential.
03:40:46
So do we need to hold another hearing on April 1, or are we OK?
John Blair
03:40:49
No, you would not need to hold another public hearing on April 1 because you advertised at 97.
03:40:56
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:41:00
Alright, so we're going to take a break.
SPEAKER_14
03:41:15
Is this the last thing?
Nikuyah Walker
03:41:49
Okay, call this meeting back to order.
03:41:51
Next we have the
03:41:58
Rezone of 918 Nassau Street, Hogwalla Farm to mixed use highway quarter.
03:42:05
First to, this is the second.
John Blair
03:42:08
Yes, Madam Mayor, I think tonight this would be the second two readings.
03:42:13
And so you can vote on both the rezoning as well as the special use permit.
03:42:17
You heard this back in January, the same permit.
Heather Hill
03:42:21
Oh, I thought because there was a new proper, we had to have another first.
John Blair
03:42:24
Well, we have another public hearing.
Matt Alfele
03:42:34
Good Evening Mayor, City Council, Matt Alpley, City Planner, Neighborhood Development Services Tonight you have a public hearing for both rezoning and SUP for 918 Nassau Street You did originally hear this back in February 19th You had a public hearing, the applicant voluntarily amended their proffer statement
03:43:00
and that's why you're having another public hearing this evening and that proffer statement was amended to reduce the square footage of commercial down from 4,000 to 2,000 square feet to set a cap at 2,000 square feet on churches and also the applicant amended the proffer statement to increase the time on the affordable units, the 10% affordable units to
03:43:31
Thank you.
03:43:33
I didn't read here.
03:43:33
I wanted to say from 12 to 20 years.
03:43:38
The applicant also did provide, it wasn't in the material, but I believe you received an email that showed the business plan for the proposed farm portion of it this evening or yesterday from the applicant.
03:43:53
I'm happy to answer any questions, offer any refresher on this application, or you can open it up to a public hearing.
Nikuyah Walker
03:44:09
Any clarifying questions, counsel?
03:44:14
All right.
03:44:15
So I open the public hearing.
SPEAKER_39
03:44:26
Good evening, Mayor Walker, City Council.
03:44:29
My name is Justin Shim.
03:44:31
I'm not going to make another presentation tonight.
03:44:33
We had a great conversation about this last time.
03:44:35
I want to thank you, Mayor Walker, for how you conducted that meeting.
03:44:38
It was complicated and I think all the issues were really talked about.
03:44:42
So I'll just speak to the items that were changed.
03:44:46
I would note first that, not that it matters so much, but as to why I'm doing this, I'm curious, if I haven't expressed that enough, is that I'm from more of a rural-type background and grew up with fresh food and this sort of agricultural farming lifestyle.
03:45:04
I think it was very beneficial and one of the challenges of being
03:45:08
in an urban place in the city which has a lot of things to offer.
03:45:10
It doesn't always have these sort of agricultural fresh food opportunities.
03:45:17
This is an example out in Nelson.
03:45:19
There's a place called Edible Landscaping where I take my kids out and we go and pick fresh fruits and berries during the seasons.
03:45:27
And that's something we want to bring in to this project too, food for us.
03:45:30
That's something that people can tour as part of the farm.
03:45:32
So these are things that are important to me.
03:45:34
I felt like when I saw this opportunity, I thought it was the right thing to do.
03:45:38
with this property.
03:45:41
The things we changed, we talked about the period of affordability, so I talked to the bankers and they looked at it and they were content with extending that in 12 to 20 years and that.
03:45:53
We just reduced the commercial square footage
03:45:55
2,000 square feet as we had promised one of the neighbors would do.
03:46:00
And we provided, just as supplemental information, just a little sort of business plan we're developing for how this farm works.
03:46:11
I think we heard last time some questions about rezoning the right way to do this, and really it's the only way to do this, but I would say that in terms of public engagement, that everybody in the neighborhood, so we have made every effort to talk to them, let them know what's going on, knocked on doors, I think that it's really a much
03:46:31
more engaged process than if you sort of engaged in a city-wide rezoning of this.
03:46:36
Would Nassau Street get a lot of attention in that kind of thing?
03:46:39
Maybe not, but we'd give a lot of attention.
03:46:41
I think you heard last time the folks who live in that immediate neighborhood came out and spoke in favor of this.
03:46:47
And we had a number of people, 125 people, sign a petition in support of our application.
03:46:53
So it's been complicated.
03:46:55
I think it's important to know that
03:46:57
In the staff report for the Planning Commission, they identified 14 ways this project was supported with a comprehensive plan and they said that approval of the project would further the purposes of the zoning ordinance and the general welfare of the entire community.
03:47:15
I think that's what we're, you know, about to do here with these type of things.
03:47:19
And so I think it's, if you look into all the details and all of it's amassed and all the time we spent to get to here, that's really the critical piece of this.
03:47:28
I know it's had some complexity, but I really appreciate all the time that everyone on the staff, everyone has spent looking at this.
03:47:34
I hope you have your support.
03:47:35
I do have with me tonight
03:47:38
Nicole and Hannah and Kelsey who have been instrumental in moving this along, helping me out with this project and it's been a great effort and I hope we have your support and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have.
Nikuyah Walker
03:47:51
Alright, thank you.
03:47:57
So Mark had it.
SPEAKER_06
03:48:12
First, I want to mention, I hope everybody saw the headlines on the news today about the flooding that's taking place currently in Nebraska.
03:48:21
We all understand the need for more housing, the need for more affordable housing.
03:48:26
But do we want to build in a high risk area?
03:48:29
Why are we putting low income people in an area such as Nassar?
03:48:33
We are all seeing pictures and videos of flooding, house falling off cliffs, mudslides taking place around the country.
03:48:42
I'm sure engineers said building these areas would be safe, that they can mitigate through engineering.
03:48:49
One the city planner said to me last year that if a piece of vacant land had not been built on in the city, there is a reason.
03:48:57
A major storm will not in all probability happen each year, but even the Army Corps of Engineers said it will happen.
03:49:06
When it does, there's an increased risk to the land, property, and lives, especially if the land has been filled in.
03:49:11
Filling in a floodplain constricts the flow of water.
03:49:15
It makes the water flow elsewhere, in this case probably upstream.
03:49:19
It could possibly cause flooding by the newer constructed homes east of Avon Street by Morris Creek and the trailer courts on the west end.
03:49:27
This area has experienced flooding in the past.
03:49:30
The applicant likes to say that this project is not in a floodplain.
03:49:34
It is.
03:49:36
Just because you raised the level of the land does not mean it's no longer sitting in the primary floodplain.
03:49:41
How can anyone say it's been raised enough when we know there's a history of flooding on Nassau streets and that boats have actually been observed on the streets by people that are still living today and articles that were written up in the Deadly Progress?
03:50:02
By the way, I was also told that the affordable housing would be on the bottom level.
03:50:07
The flooding that took place this past spring in the county was not in a primary floodplain, yet there was flooding.
03:50:14
Did you know that we had large engineered hills at Fifth Street Station that slid down the street the other month due to the heavy continuous rain?
03:50:24
I hope that you each have visited the site and seen the survey flags.
03:50:27
They read the information that was given to you in the past and read the Army Corps of Engineers report.
03:50:33
Please use common sense.
03:50:35
FEMA has mitigation guidelines.
03:50:38
However, we have seen time after time how these have proven unsafe.
03:50:43
FEMA gives you elected officials
03:50:46
The final say as to whether this is safe and appropriate for our community.
03:50:51
This is a profound responsibility.
03:50:53
You cannot engineer mother nature.
03:50:55
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:50:56
Thank you.
03:50:58
Kimber Hawkey.
SPEAKER_16
03:51:05
Hi, my name is Kimber Hawkey.
03:51:06
I live in the Belmont neighborhood.
03:51:08
I think first we need to point out that there seems to be a serious and important conflict of interest because ship engineering was involved in redrawing the FEMA maps.
03:51:18
That doesn't seem right or appropriate because now he wants to develop the same areas claiming that they're out of the floodplain.
03:51:26
Also the Planning Commission has rejected this plan.
03:51:30
As outlined in various emails,
03:51:34
There are ways as well that this project does not fall within the vision and goals of the city.
03:51:40
It's not a safe plan.
03:51:43
It seems like we're giving up a lot to award the SUP when there are only three affordable units being involved.
03:51:50
Also we've sent you pictures of standing water in the area as well as apparent mold issues on the apartments if you look behind there.
03:51:58
The Linden Apartments on the outside so there's a question of mold issues and I know that you Mayor Walker in your Facebook page event spoke at length about mold issues and the health issues of concern with putting children in places like that or just people around buildings that have now mold issues.
03:52:23
We've also forwarded you a ten page bibliography with numerous articles that could have been much longer but against
03:52:33
or about the dangers of building in floodplains and how we need to move away from that in our modern building systems.
03:52:43
I also want to talk about the fact that it's very difficult, if you look back up here on Route, actually it doesn't show it, but when you're at Moose Restaurant, which is near the BP station there and you're trying to pull out onto Route 20, it's a very dangerous intersection on that sweeping slope down and up
03:53:02
even as it is now.
03:53:05
It just seems like putting more density there would cause more problems.
03:53:12
Also, if the goal is to provide local food, fresh food options, you see a huge park there, why not allow people to garden in that park?
03:53:24
Why not have community gardens there?
03:53:30
Why not plant edible landscaping?
03:53:33
You know, the city could plant edible landscaping or fruit trees.
03:53:36
Why not talk with the BP station or Morris Restaurant about providing for residents that are within walking distance.
03:53:45
There just seems to be other solutions and especially promoting more home gardens.
03:53:51
So in the end, I think just because this may sound like a cool idea or a good idea, it doesn't make it a sound idea.
03:54:02
It runs contrary to our best building practices.
03:54:05
Floodplains exist for a reason.
03:54:08
We should respect that.
03:54:09
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:54:10
Thank you.
03:54:11
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
SPEAKER_05
03:54:24
Good evening, Mayor Walker, members of the City Council.
03:54:27
My name is David Katz.
03:54:28
I live in the Belmont area.
03:54:34
My first question would be, why is there no testimony from the environmental staff or other city experts here tonight to address the issues that have been raised by the applicant?
03:54:47
Number two, how does building in or adjacent to a floodplain provide for the welfare of the community?
03:54:56
Three, the city has appointed a planning commission
03:55:02
consisting of knowledgeable citizens including development experts to provide to the City Council advice on development matters.
03:55:19
I think you should have an excellent reason to overrule their decision on this issue.
03:55:23
And they voted three to two against the project.
03:55:29
And lastly, again, I'll state that the FEMA maps were redrawn by the applicant, which I believe is a potential conflict of interest.
03:55:43
I think they should have been done by an independent third party.
03:55:48
An example of a company self-regulating is the tragedy that occurred in Ethiopia
03:55:57
due to Boeing's self-certifying the 737 MAX aircraft as safe to fly.
03:56:04
Should we allow construction on the site when the floodplain maps were redrawn by the developer of the project?
03:56:17
This is your legacy.
03:56:18
This is part of your legacy as the City Council in the year 2019.
03:56:25
I urge you to think seriously about the project.
03:56:30
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
03:56:31
Thank you.
03:56:33
Is there anyone else who would like to speak?
03:56:36
All right, I'm going to close the public hearing.
03:56:41
Any questions or comments?
SPEAKER_22
03:56:43
I do have a question, Mayor Walker, for Mr. Blair.
03:56:52
And it is the idea of having an independent third party drawing up the FEMA maps.
03:56:59
Is that something that is just an oversight in our laws or is it a good practice?
John Blair
03:57:09
Well, far be it from me to critique good or bad of the federal government, but I think it is fair to say that the applicant, this is a process that FEMA does provide to landowners, not just this applicant, but other applicants who
03:57:31
do want to ask for an amendment to their flood to the floodplain map and that process again is available to any landowner with land in the map and ultimately the regulators do have to look at the application and approve it.
03:57:50
So there is a level of oversight that goes with it.
03:57:55
It's not just
03:57:57
Mr. Shemp submitted a revised map and that was it.
03:58:02
They don't review it.
03:58:03
There are obviously regulators that review it.
SPEAKER_22
03:58:05
Now, I can't obviously comment on But does that review happen at the at the point in time when there is a site plan submitted?
John Blair
03:58:14
Well, I think it's an independent process.
SPEAKER_39
03:58:23
So on the flood map issue, so I was hired to redraw the flood map.
03:58:29
I should say redraw, I should say submit a study to FEMA so they could redraw the flood map for the Will and Mills project in Albemarle County.
03:58:36
I discovered this property as part of that realizing that it was a low risk basically.
03:58:41
Look at the technical information, that's how I found it.
03:58:44
So the process is
03:58:46
A landowner thinks the FEMA map is wrong.
03:58:48
They hire an engineer to go and look at this.
03:58:52
You submit data.
03:58:53
In this particular case, both the City of Charlottesville and Albemarle County signed off on the study.
03:58:59
Timmons Group did a peer review of it, and it went to FEMA, whose consultant Dewberry ultimately reviewed it.
03:59:06
Actually, they reviewed the maps.
03:59:08
So basically we provide technical information, surveys, updated information at the behest of the owner.
03:59:14
And then they do what they, it's pretty standard formula, they do what they will with it.
03:59:19
So that's the process.
03:59:21
And that's how I discover the property.
03:59:22
And just clear, the reason there hasn't been comments about from like the city engineer and stuff on this is they've already approved it.
03:59:30
The construction of this area has been approved already.
03:59:34
So as we went through this, that's why you don't see the comments, because FEMA's already issued the permit, and the city engineers issued the fill permit, and in fact you'll notice under that same permit, the housing's being built down at the other end of Nassau Street, the Habitat lots and the Land Trust lot, so it is a very detailed process, that was probably a two year process to amend that flood map, so it goes through lots of scrutiny, lots of review, but the reason it hasn't come up is,
04:00:01
It was blessed.
04:00:02
The decision for you is not if I'm going to build there, what's the zoning going to allow there.
Heather Hill
04:00:06
I just want to remind everyone that anyone can build on these lots.
04:00:12
It's not that we can put any moratorium on building on these lots.
04:00:17
Thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER_14
04:00:19
One quick question.
04:00:20
On the other end, something you just said was really interesting.
04:00:23
On the other end, you said building has already begun?
04:00:27
So on that, so this.
04:00:28
Which is, I'm sorry, is that also in the floodplain as people have been describing?
SPEAKER_39
04:00:34
It is, and it'll be elevated out of the floodplain basically through another FEMA process.
SPEAKER_14
04:00:38
And that's essentially what you're doing?
SPEAKER_39
04:00:40
The same thing, yes, that's right.
Nikuyah Walker
04:00:45
Any other questions?
SPEAKER_14
04:00:48
If my colleagues don't have any other questions, I have a question, another one.
04:00:52
In the event that, not saying this is going to happen or will happen in the event that this doesn't pass, what would happen to the site?
SPEAKER_39
04:01:02
I hope it doesn't come to that, but if it were, I mean somebody would probably, I don't know that I would build it because I don't like the plan that you're left with, but you can build a duplex in the back of the lot and park three or four cars in the front.
04:01:15
There's a sewer easement in the middle of it that dictates you kind of build in the back.
04:01:19
So you could build basically a two or three story duplex back off the street.
04:01:25
That would be allowed without coming back to this process.
04:01:29
I don't know that I would build it, but I would probably sell it only to somebody else who would.
SPEAKER_14
04:01:33
And that's maybe what they would do.
04:01:38
Maybe not.
04:01:39
And I think, I mean I asked that question as I was having a discussion with some of the good folks in the back just now.
04:01:48
And we were discussing like well what happens, because everyone may not be in agreement with this project.
04:01:55
But what happens if this project doesn't go through?
04:01:58
Will we get more affordable housing?
04:02:00
The answer is maybe, but probably not.
04:02:03
There's so many other unknown variables because of the construction of the land.
04:02:10
I appreciate you sharing that.
Nikuyah Walker
04:02:22
Can somebody remind me what the Planning Commission decision was based on?
SPEAKER_35
04:02:39
They did.
Matt Alfele
04:02:41
So the Planning Commission, their action was voting against both the rezoning and the special use permit and it was 3-2 to recommend denial.
SPEAKER_31
04:02:56
And how much different is it now from what they considered?
Matt Alfele
04:03:00
The proffers have been amended so the Planning Commission did not see the proffers with the extended time on the affordable units or the reduction in square footage for commercial uses.
04:03:11
Other than that, the plan is very much the same as what they made a recommendation on.
Heather Hill
04:03:18
And just in fairness, to remind council, I believe we had written the documentation from Commissioner Lehendro, who just stated that some of his frustration when he was voting was how late in the game some information was presented that evening and that influenced the way that he voted.
04:03:33
So I just, I know that this came up the last time we talked about this, but I just wanted to make sure we all remembered that.
Nikuyah Walker
04:03:39
Thank you.
04:03:41
All right.
04:03:43
Any other questions?
Heather Hill
04:03:46
So we are,
04:03:48
So we're going to close the public hearing.
Nikuyah Walker
04:03:50
And then, because I hadn't done that, so I'm just doing that.
SPEAKER_22
04:04:01
Any further discussion?
04:04:04
So is this a time when we have to make a motion?
John Blair
04:04:07
Right, a motion for rezoning and a separate action on the special use permit.
SPEAKER_31
04:04:15
but one perceived the other.
04:04:17
Do we do that?
04:04:17
Yeah.
04:04:17
How do we do this?
04:04:18
Because they're linked.
04:04:21
I think the rezoning would be the first.
SPEAKER_22
04:04:25
So if you deny the rezoning, it makes no sense to the SCP.
SPEAKER_14
04:04:29
Correct.
SPEAKER_22
04:04:36
Is there a motion?
04:04:38
I move to deny the request of rezoning as recommended by the Planning Commission.
04:04:44
I'll second it.
04:04:56
I ask myself as a good practice and same concerns as before, the workarounds to our existing zoning don't add up to be, in my view, a good healthy vision for the city.
04:05:09
The short circuiting of the process, in my view, is a breach of trust with the surrounding community.
04:05:15
much as it was for the residents of Booker Street.
04:05:18
I made that point earlier.
04:05:21
It doesn't conform with the 2013 land use map.
04:05:24
It doesn't conform with the comprehensive plan goals for land use, housing and transportation.
04:05:30
Unlike River Road, which was the applicant came before us earlier this year,
04:05:36
The 2001 comp plan didn't name Nassau Street as one of the 11 critical areas to be redeveloped.
04:05:43
It wasn't part of the 2013 comp plan's small area planning area.
04:05:49
So there's no legacy of it being a place for major redevelopment.
04:05:55
So does it meet our needs?
04:05:59
We're talking a lot about whether or not you can build on this floodplain or not, and FEMA has evidently approved this permit, but in my mind it's still a problem because
04:06:10
We are still in a floodplain, and this building is centered on an asphalt parking lot that is bigger in area than the footprint of the buildings themselves.
04:06:22
And that will degrade, in my view, the waterways.
04:06:26
And the rationale for the zoning change is also problematic for me.
04:06:36
Thank you for bringing some evidence that this farm has a non-profit organization to it.
04:06:41
I appreciate that.
04:06:43
It's still not clear to me that the land has been thoroughly tested and in shape for urban farming.
04:06:49
You showed us logos of all the different food networks, but I didn't see letters of endorsement.
04:06:57
But most importantly, this doesn't relate to the purpose of the proposed zoning designation.
04:07:02
That's a fundamental issue.
04:07:05
Zoning is an ordinance, it's a law.
04:07:09
So when you change the law, you really do need to follow proper procedures.
04:07:14
And it can't be mysterious, obscure.
04:07:17
and it can't look like we're kind of undermining the public trust.
04:07:21
So the highway commercial district calls for intense commercial development with very limited residential use.
04:07:28
It's intended for where the most intense commercial development in the city occurs.
04:07:33
But in this case, it's being inverted.
04:07:36
the designation itself is being used to promote residential use, higher residential use.
04:07:43
You've just reduced the amount of commercial use that is part and parcel of this designation.
04:07:49
And so the mixed use corridor zoning is supposed to facilitate transit also along significant access routes, but there's not even a bus route down Nassau Street.
04:08:01
So it's a convoluted
04:08:07
a multi-tiered way to get a kind of a zoning that you want that is contrary to anything in our CoD plan in the vision statement of the community.
04:08:20
And so I also think that the building type you've introduced, in my view, it still looks like a lower cost kind of suburban motel form.
04:08:34
It doesn't have any of the character of the building types in that area.
04:08:42
Yes, we get three or four affordable housing units, but I can't lower my own professional standards because of affordable housing.
04:08:52
It's supposed to be excellent standards, in my view.
04:08:56
and so that's why I can't support this.
04:09:00
It doesn't follow our comp plan.
04:09:03
It doesn't follow our standards of review.
04:09:05
It's not in keeping with the physical character of the community itself and I'm pretty sure that's why the Planning Commission didn't adopt it.
Nikuyah Walker
04:09:23
Any other comments?
Heather Hill
04:09:29
I mean I certainly share some of the concerns raised, many of the concerns raised by Councilor Galvin.
04:09:34
I know that one of the things we gave feedback on last time was understanding what is really the vision for this business side of this and I do, I still have concerns that I really don't see that there's a partner for this urban farming farming vision and I think it's a pretty unique thing that's trying to be done and I wanted to get behind it I just don't see that it has the support it needs to be sustainable but beyond that I really just have seen this as such a multi
04:09:57
step way just to get to this outcome and for many of the reasons that she already stated I just always struggled because as someone you want to think that when people are living in their neighborhood they can expect that you know certain things are going to change within like an SUP scope but here we have a rezoning for something it's highway corridor which to me I think that of all highway corridors that's the one that I find to be the least
04:10:19
that should be considered a highway quarter in itself and then now we're moving it multiple blocks away and we're truly in the deep residential portion of this and we're doing that and then we're just then again not even delivering on what that zoning is we're then converting it back into residential and
04:10:34
You know, high density residential at that.
04:10:36
And I can see that there certainly is other parts of that neighborhood that have a higher density.
04:10:40
I just think that the way this is presented in the small compact nature and just the intensity of that just gives me great pause considering what was intended to and what's reflected in our comprehensive plan.
04:10:51
And so I echo a lot of the concerns raised by Councilor Galvin.
SPEAKER_31
04:10:58
So it's our turn.
04:11:05
So I think I'm more inclined to, I want to hear this discussion.
04:11:10
I'm not coming in with an extremely strong point of view, but I am after the refinements and even after this discussion, I'm still where I was the last time, which is I'm interested in innovation.
04:11:25
and I think that it's a pretty creative use of a part of the city that's not going to be used in a very creative way in a likely and I do think that as the city moves in all these different directions that we hear a lot of
04:11:44
I'm concerned about that having this kind of funkier you know use in this particular area could be really healthy in sort of the bigger ecosystem of the city and with all of the risks that are being highlighted and there are lots aesthetic
04:12:03
You know, I tend to think that if you're a developer vested in the ownership of the property that you have a deep disinterest in building in a floodplain in a way that would actually hazard your investment.
04:12:17
I mean, that's probably the most.
04:12:19
And I found the analogy to Boeing strained, although very vivid, but
04:12:30
You know, I'm inclined to put the benefit of the doubt on as long as it has met, and I think the Planning Commission had a difficult vote, and it was a divided vote, because it's a complicated project, and it's a risk, it's taking a lot of, it's a very inventive, creative project that's taking risks and is coloring outside the lines in some ways, but I think looking at the overall picture and how it would fit into the city, I think that it could be
04:12:57
healthy enough and different enough and creative enough in the overall landscape of the city that I find the pros outweigh the cons.
04:13:06
And so I I see the benefits.
04:13:11
But it's a it's a it's a challenging you've made it challenging because it's a very unusual, quirky, complicated project.
04:13:19
But I would be inclined to vote for it.
04:13:24
And the affordable housing piece, I would say, tilts it even more so given how complicated the pros and cons are for me.
SPEAKER_14
04:13:38
So for me, I agree with Councilor Signer.
04:13:45
It's very complicated because to me, I thought it was an innovative project and Ms. Galvin is one whom I often look to, specifically regards.
04:13:58
to land use situations, and I think she lays out a very compelling argument.
04:14:05
Listening to some of the residents back there, I thought they also made very compelling arguments.
04:14:11
However, here's where it's, and it looks as if this may not have the votes, so I just want to say my piece.
04:14:18
Here's where I think
04:14:20
Even if this doesn't pass, we still are going to have to look at different models in the future.
04:14:27
We say that we want different forms of affordable housing.
04:14:32
Affordable housing is important to us.
04:14:34
We only have ten and a half square miles, people have to be
04:14:39
rather innovative or try to be as creative as possible when it comes to building.
04:14:46
So I think Ms. Galvin's point, I hear you wholeheartedly when you say it looks like it may have went around a wide variety of different ways to get what the developer wanted in terms of zoning or getting where they needed to.
04:14:59
But I mean, our process is flawed, I think.
04:15:04
In the eyes of many it takes a whole lot that people have to go through just to reach certain points and I wonder what message do we send to future developers
04:15:20
because again, we don't have a lot of space.
04:15:23
We don't have a lot of room.
04:15:24
So when people do come with innovative projects that may have, or excuse me, that will have an affordable housing component to it, and it's just different, the farm piece, the business piece.
04:15:35
A message I was sending, but the members of the community in the back said something to me that really stuck as well.
04:15:44
And they just have real concerns about the floodplain.
04:15:56
That can't be ignored.
04:15:58
And I think also there are concerns about the neighborhood right now.
04:16:07
It can't be ignored.
04:16:11
I'm just saying how the neighborhood goes, rather.
04:16:16
I just think that also can't be ignored.
Nikuyah Walker
04:16:19
Who was that?
04:16:22
Okay.
SPEAKER_14
04:16:22
Never mind.
04:16:25
Never mind.
04:16:26
Go ahead.
04:16:26
That's it.
Nikuyah Walker
04:16:27
Okay.
04:16:30
I think just, yeah.
04:16:34
Can't have a response at all.
04:16:39
I talked to I think three neighbors in the past week or so who were concerned about
04:17:02
The way the rainwater would be directed from the property, they say they discussed that with you all in a public meeting.
04:17:12
There was one, and I know it's a private property, but there's someone currently on the property who would be displaced as a result of the
04:17:26
of the development, which I know if you build two duplexes, that person can be displaced also.
04:17:34
I like what has been presented.
04:17:46
I would have liked it earlier for the farm and the potential uses there.
04:17:56
and extending the affordability period, that was a plus.
04:18:06
I'm sort of with Mike on the FEMA floodplain and if you are going to build something that you're not selling I probably would feel the same if you were selling it about the fact that you may not care long term what happens to individuals on it but that because it's going to be an investment
04:18:33
that you may have a different viewpoint there.
04:18:39
So I'm still probably inclined to follow the Planning Commission recommendation here.
04:18:50
But I mean, I have thought about this probably longer than I've thought about most.
04:19:00
All but one other development that's been put before me.
04:19:06
The neighbors that I talked to who were actual neighbors did think that it could work.
04:19:16
and they were just concerned about the water, potential water damage to their property because they already think that we, the city, needs to be doing something different with the water runoff in that area.
04:19:29
So it was a combination of city and the potential with this development.
04:19:41
I guess my question if you could answer in the plan, there's no concern from city staff about the engineering aspects in terms of the water and where it's being diverted to.
Matt Alfele
04:20:00
So city staff has looked at it in the course of a rezoning an SUP.
04:20:06
They have not done a full site plan review.
04:20:09
Once, if it were to get approved and get an SUP, their next step would be to submit a site plan which would have to follow all the regulations, standard engineering practices, storm water.
04:20:23
There have been
04:20:26
That's been one of the talks that staff had as part of the SUP.
04:20:33
There has been kind of talking about how you would view this development.
04:20:40
So typically we would review a development for stormwater in the city.
04:20:45
And a developer would have kind of several options.
04:20:48
They can either do their stormwater detention on site or they can buy credits off site.
04:20:55
This property is a little bit different as far as it straddles both the city and the county and staff has been very concerned about treating as a whole
04:21:05
So you just wouldn't have the city looking at the city side and the county looking at the county side and so trying to work on the mechanism whether that's DEQ doing the review or the city and county going to an agreement to do the review for the whole site but it would be different than what you typically see because it is cross-jurisdictional
Nikuyah Walker
04:21:30
So in that case, so if we approve this change to a mixed use highway corridor and then we don't agree once the site plan has been submitted, there's no undoing.
Matt Alfele
04:21:43
Well, if you were to approve the rezoning and not the SUP component, all you'd be doing is changing the zoning to highway.
04:21:53
The SUP has a condition recommended by staff that the property is viewed as a common plan of development and not just on one side.
04:22:03
So if that was passed,
04:22:04
that would go along with the plan in front of you.
04:22:09
So if the applicant's plan didn't go forward and the SUP expired, you would be going back to the rezoning, it'd be highway, and then another plan could come forward from a different applicant in the future.
Nikuyah Walker
04:22:23
That could use the mixed use highway corridor.
Matt Alfele
04:22:26
Correct, and that's kind of the weird... Well I did want to add though that
John Blair
04:22:34
You're right, it would still have the same zoning if you approve the rezoning, but the proffers also become part of the rezoning.
04:22:44
So those same proffers would still apply.
04:22:47
Let's say 918 Nassau Street scrapped this plan, but you would approve the rezoning.
04:22:54
They still would be limited to the proffers that are there, including the 2,000 square foot limitations on commercial uses.
Matt Alfele
04:23:03
Thanks for pointing that out.
04:23:05
I got ahead of myself on that.
04:23:06
Yeah, the proffers would stay.
04:23:08
I was jumping way ahead just because the one weird thing about our highway corridor is there's the affordable unit count in the proffers, but that is conditional and someone would have to get an S.U.P.
04:23:18
for density.
04:23:20
It's a weird zoning that there's actually no density in this.
04:23:24
The only way to get density is through the S.U.P.
Nikuyah Walker
04:23:32
All right, thank you.
John Blair
04:23:33
If I could, there is one other small twist based on your questioning.
04:23:41
In the SUP condition number 10,
04:23:44
goes through the stormwater management process.
04:23:48
And at the very end of that it says the landowner shall not utilize nutrient credits or other offsite conditions to meet water quality requirements unless the proposal is approved by both the city and county if it's locally administered or by the state.
04:24:07
So there is that aspect of
04:24:12
If the city and county administer this site jointly, both the city and county have to agree that they're allowed to have off-site nutrient credits rather than putting the ponds and measures in place on-site.
SPEAKER_22
04:24:32
So the stormwater management is not on-site?
John Blair
04:24:36
Well, based on SUP Condition 10, if you approve the SUP, as Matt explained, there are different options that all owners have through the stormwater management process, but this particular condition is saying that rather than them just
04:24:59
for lack of a better term by right going to an off-site nutrient credit that it would have to be approved by either the city and county or the state depending on who's administering the storm.
04:25:11
This is not automatically awesome.
04:25:13
Right, it's not automatic.
04:25:16
Is that
Matt Alfele
04:25:20
Yes, that's correct.
04:25:21
What staff wanted and worked with the legal department is they just wanted to make sure that the best storm water practices were being followed.
04:25:30
And because it is a little more complicated being across jurisdictions, they didn't want to just say it's going to be one or the other.
04:25:37
They wanted it to be collaborative.
04:25:39
You come up with the best solution.
04:25:41
And where this kind of came from is, not saying this would happen, but if you were going to do on-site water treatment.
04:25:49
for the whole site but you needed to put your B&P on the county side that still needed to count toward the city side and so that's where this kind of came from.
SPEAKER_22
04:25:59
So why wasn't there, so I'm just asking a question, so the Planning Commission didn't put its typical conditions on this because they didn't approve it.
Matt Alfele
04:26:11
Correct.
04:26:12
When this went to Planning Commission, staff had some looser recommendations, and one of the things that came out of Planning Commission is Planning Commission asked legal to look at the conditions and provide more detail.
04:26:25
And so this condition came out of that.
SPEAKER_22
04:26:27
Well, because I remember again on the River Road project, which also had problems with stormwater management, it was adjacent to the Rivanna,
04:26:36
The Planning Commission insisted that there would be on-site stormwater management best practices.
04:26:42
Correct.
04:26:43
But that condition has not been placed on this one and I'm wondering why.
Matt Alfele
04:26:47
That condition wasn't placed because Planning Commission didn't put any conditions on it.
SPEAKER_22
04:26:52
Because they rejected it.
Matt Alfele
04:26:53
They rejected it but they asked that City Council look at staff conditions.
04:26:57
But this condition, when staff had prepared it, was not this in-depth.
04:27:02
It was a looser condition that legal wanted to look closer at.
04:27:06
So Planning Commission directed legal to look at these.
04:27:10
I believe it was the last three conditions to provide more information.
SPEAKER_22
04:27:20
So just to my colleagues, in my view, this is actually a much more sensitive site than River Road, and it does not have the onsite best practices for stormwater management.
Matt Alfele
04:27:31
That's what I'm hearing.
04:27:32
No, it could.
SPEAKER_22
04:27:33
It could, but it's not mandatory.
Matt Alfele
04:27:35
but they can't just buy offsite credits without approval from the two jurisdictions or the state.
04:27:43
So it left that flexibility in case, and I'm not an engineer so I can't get into it, if buying credits turns out to be the best thing to do, that needed to be in there so the applicant could do it so their hands weren't tied.
SPEAKER_22
04:27:55
The best thing to do for who?
04:27:58
For the stormwater plan.
04:28:00
Okay, so it's based on the engineering of the plan.
04:28:03
Correct, yes.
SPEAKER_39
04:28:07
All right, that's fine.
04:28:26
Thank you.
04:28:28
You asked the question, if this is approved, what happens if we don't agree on stormwater?
04:28:33
The answer doesn't get built.
04:28:34
So if I don't comply with all of the city standards for the stormwater drainage, I won't get actual site plan approval.
04:28:41
And so I think the question that the neighbors have brought up is there is some failed drainage across the front of the property.
04:28:46
And probably some old drainage across my property contributes to that.
04:28:49
I have to fix that as a portion of our plan.
04:28:51
So there would be improvements there.
04:28:54
The nutrient credit thing is worded such that basically the only way I could buy that would be if both the city and the county agreed there was no better alternative.
04:29:02
So both those departments would look at the engineering plans and they would push for the onsite treatment.
04:29:08
Only if there was no way to do onsite would I be allowed to purchase offsite.
04:29:10
I don't think that's going to be the case.
04:29:11
We'll do something onsite in this case.
Nikuyah Walker
04:29:19
OK. Are there any other?
04:29:21
All right, so ready to vote?
SPEAKER_22
04:29:26
So the motion is to deny.
Nikuyah Walker
04:29:42
So the motion to deny carries.
04:29:45
No, it didn't.
SPEAKER_31
04:29:46
No, it failed.
SPEAKER_22
04:29:48
So now if somebody's going to.
Nikuyah Walker
04:29:51
Oh, no.
SPEAKER_14
04:29:53
Did you vote for the wrong thing?
Nikuyah Walker
04:29:55
I definitely did, I'm sorry.
John Blair
04:30:00
I think in this instance as the mayor if you could just say how about
04:30:16
Considering this, if Ms. Galvin could remake her motion, Ms. Hill could- Please.
Kyna Thomas
04:30:24
Okay.
04:30:24
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
04:30:24
Second.
Kyna Thomas
04:30:25
I'm sorry.
Nicole Scro
04:30:27
Can I just say one thing before every- Is there- Can I just stand up?
04:30:32
I just- I- Because I-
04:30:34
went and knocked on the doors of every single house around that neighborhood twice.
04:30:40
And we held a community meeting solely for those community members.
04:30:45
And they cannot be here tonight because they have jobs and children to take care of.
04:30:50
And I told them, don't make the effort to come.
04:30:52
But they do support the project.
04:30:55
And so twice, more than twice, it has been mentioned that the immediate neighborhood will be surprised
04:31:02
or that this is not in their interest.
04:31:04
And that's just plainly not true.
04:31:06
I've talked to them individually.
04:31:08
The individuals in this neighborhood are in support of the project and they don't have a voice here.
04:31:15
And there's a reason for that.
04:31:16
And that's a problem with our process.
04:31:18
And I think it's an important thing to bring up.
04:31:20
And the reason why the highway zoning is in place is because there's no other zoning to put a greenhouse.
04:31:28
And so that's a process problem, not with the application.
04:31:33
And so I think that's an important point as well.
04:31:38
And so I just wanted to make sure that I state that because these processes come up with other applications as well and voices are not heard and there's a reason for that.
04:31:49
And Matt can attest, I'm at 80% of those comp plan meetings and we all know who's in those rooms.
04:31:55
So I think it's an important point to make.
SPEAKER_31
04:32:03
I would say that was one point in my whole statement that I forgot to mention, which I was struck in the last time by the strength of the immediate neighbors.
04:32:14
I was struck by that, and I just forgot to make that point with the other ones that I mentioned.
04:32:19
The immediate neighbors did seem very favorable, and there were a couple who came up and spoke very eloquently about how they thought this would do wonders for their immediate neighborhood.
SPEAKER_22
04:32:32
Well, I guess I could make the motion again.
04:32:35
We could have more discussion if we want.
04:32:36
It's ready to be made again.
04:32:45
So I move that we deny the request of rezoning as recommended by the Planning Commission.
Heather Hill
04:32:51
And I seconded it.
SPEAKER_22
04:32:52
And I'm seconding it.
04:32:55
And I won't belabor this, but I'll just say process matters.
04:32:59
Our ordinance is a law.
04:33:01
We know that we need to change our ordinances to be in keeping with our comp plan, but we are not there yet.
04:33:07
This is an incredibly convoluted way to get to something that increases residential density in an area that is highly sensitive from an environmental standpoint.
04:33:18
And so I think it is really important that we pay attention to our processes and we don't use our discretionary review
04:33:31
Just cavalierly and think that this is innovative.
04:33:38
We need zoning to do that for us in keeping with our vision of the community.
Nikuyah Walker
04:33:43
So you don't think with updated zoning- We absolutely will.
SPEAKER_22
04:33:48
That this would fit- I don't think it would.
04:33:52
because it's, I mean personally, but that right now, at least we're investing in getting new com plan update with a comprehensive affordable housing strategy and we're gonna be getting new zoning to be aligned finally with our vision.
04:34:08
It hasn't happened since 2003.
SPEAKER_20
04:34:09
And I've just seen this a lot.
SPEAKER_22
04:34:15
where we go through and create exceptions to the rule over and over and over again because the zoning isn't workable.
04:34:23
But in this case, this is so far removed from the zoning that it's being zoned to and there's a reason why it hasn't been heavily developed on that side of the street is because that is in a floodplain area.
SPEAKER_31
04:34:41
As long as we're having more debate.
SPEAKER_22
04:34:44
Would the motion open up again?
SPEAKER_31
04:34:46
So I guess my response to those things would be that, so I'm closing in on my, been on council for three and a half years now.
04:34:55
So we've been having the same conversation about overhauling the zoning code for three and a half years.
04:35:02
And I guess the thing is that it just,
04:35:08
If that is what so much action is backstopped behind, the pace is so glacial.
04:35:15
I mean, we moved West Main Street forward, which is unrelated, but it is related in some ways, three years ago.
04:35:21
Nothing's happened.
04:35:23
I mean, a lot has happened, but we haven't broken ground yet.
04:35:25
For change to happen in a city of 10 square miles, it just will be very glacial if we have to wait behind this comprehensive overhaul of the zoning code, which we've been talking about for years.
04:35:43
Coupled with that, when the arguments against something do become very strained, which I feel like some of these arguments are quite strained,
04:35:54
and that's why they have to be brought together all on top of one another to make the case as overwhelming as it can be, then it feels to me like that you can vote for the innovation and for the pros outweighing the cons.
04:36:18
Anyway, that's how I still see it.
Nikuyah Walker
04:36:24
All right.
04:36:26
Anyone else?
04:36:30
All right.
Tanesha Hudson
04:36:41
All right.
John Blair
04:37:03
And so do we need to... No, you wouldn't need the vote on the SUP at this point.
SPEAKER_14
04:37:16
And sorry about the first one.
Nikuyah Walker
04:37:33
So we just have other business, which was the consent agenda item.
SPEAKER_04
04:37:48
Madam Mayor, Members of the Council, I have a correspondent with the jail superintendent this evening.
04:37:59
administrator that they work with to capture the federal funds.
04:38:08
This has been in effect longer than the superintendent or the budget person have been there.
04:38:13
They've corresponded with us tonight.
04:38:16
I can only imagine that it is because the
04:38:21
process of recapturing the money from the feds is so onerous that it has this admin fee.
04:38:27
It has been the same for as long as these folks have been there.
04:38:31
I don't know why it's never been kept questioned by a council in the past, but they did not have any
04:38:38
new layer of information about the how and why.
04:38:41
I've asked them when was it chosen and was it chosen competitively and other questions but they don't have any additional information.
04:38:50
So we can decide to put it through tonight or I can ask them to investigate if there's any alternative for the administration of the funds.
04:39:02
Keeping in mind that I think what we're talking about is $14,000 in all and probably $3,000 to the administrator.
John Blair
04:39:11
$1,099.
Nikuyah Walker
04:39:13
So that was one of my questions.
04:39:15
The other question was does receiving this funding trigger mandatory ICE notifications?
04:39:25
So that was the second part of the question because when I looked at BJA it said that it administers the State Alien Assistance Program in conjunction with the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
04:39:46
Department of Homeland Security, SCAT provides federal payments to states and localities that incur correction officers' salary costs for incarcerating undocumented criminal aliens with at least one felony or two misdemeanor convictions for violation of state or local law for incarceration for more than four consecutive days.
04:40:09
And so then it just looked from their website that there is
04:40:16
Yes, ma'am, I understand that and I would say that Dr. Bellamy can certainly
SPEAKER_04
04:40:33
but as jail board members for the city it's my understanding that the notification that happens to ICE and any law enforcement agency happens at the point of intake and that it is required by law and that the really the crux of what we've
04:40:55
been debating as a jail board is should a secondary notification which is elective happen prior to the discharge to let ICE know when that release date is going to happen.
04:41:14
So currently we're waiting on a determination from the governor's office about whether he is going to veto a bill where actually the General Assembly said
04:41:25
Jails ought to have to, you know, notify ICE at the point of release, unfortunately.
04:41:32
Yes, so it did come out of the local Commonwealth Attorney in Albemarle County.
04:41:39
So it did get voted through.
04:41:40
We're expecting to hear in the next week.
04:41:45
Is that correct, Dr. Bellamy?
04:41:46
They have to go through the vetoes by the end of the next week, right?
Nikuyah Walker
04:41:51
Yeah.
04:41:53
Okay.
04:41:54
All right.
SPEAKER_22
04:41:56
I do have another point of business, Mayor Walker.
04:41:59
We have to vote on this.
Nikuyah Walker
04:42:05
So, is there a motion?
SPEAKER_14
04:42:10
So moved.
Heather Hill
04:42:12
To approve the appropriation to the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program grant for the 2017 reimbursement.
04:42:22
Second.
SPEAKER_22
04:42:28
Yes, Mayor Walker, back in the end of February, the Chair of the Housing Advisory Committee, Phil De Ronzio, came, sent us a request to modify
04:42:52
was the originating resolution for the Housing Advisory Committee and that change was to include, to add the Shostel Works Initiative to the Housing Advisory Committee, effective immediately as a category two member as described in the February 21, 2012 council resolution.
04:43:17
I realized that we we are going to have a more thorough review of of the terms and the membership structure of HAC and perhaps other advisory groups.
04:43:30
But it does seem to be that there is a real immediate need to have Charlottesville Works Initiative part of this team right at this point in time.
04:43:40
And so I was I understand with
04:43:45
Councilor Hill that she's also in agreement with at least discussing this at a future council meeting for this one amendment to the resolution knowing that there will be a further more in-depth discussion later.
Nikuyah Walker
04:44:01
I was in favor of having the discussion at the same time.
04:44:09
So that's still where I am.
Heather Hill
04:44:11
I just don't know that we're in a position to have a fully robust discussion.
04:44:16
It's going to take some work, I think, to do.
04:44:18
The concern is when we did discuss this and we decided to use the at-large position for another community member, which I really believe was the right decision.
04:44:26
I gathered from council that there was
04:44:29
and a recognition that maintaining that representation from someone from the Charlottesville Works Initiative was important, especially where we are with the housing strategy and the work being done by members of the HAC towards that end.
04:44:40
And so my fear is I don't want this to inhibit us from having the really robust discussion we need to have by trying to move us along.
04:44:48
But I think that the longer that we don't have this one change in place, that it can be a struggle for where the group is right now and the work that's being done by that membership.
04:45:00
So as I've said in other emails, I certainly support and agree to this robust discussion.
04:45:06
I just don't know that's something we're going to be able to have in the next month if I'm being honest about our capacity.
SPEAKER_22
04:45:12
Mr. Murphy, how soon do you think we could get this on the agenda?
SPEAKER_04
04:45:19
To consider the item in isolation?
SPEAKER_22
04:45:21
Just the one change.
04:45:22
Yeah, in isolation.
SPEAKER_04
04:45:23
I mean, if that's the will of council, it'll go on next time.
Heather Hill
04:45:29
At the time Mr. Blair had even offered that it was more about when we first decided it even before going into it that we could have had a resolution ready to go the night that we made the decision on that but we just wanted to be able to give the public a chance to just have it in front of them and so we didn't have to jump that and so my intention was for us to try to get it to this tonight and so we could vote on it but we just didn't get to that point.
04:45:53
Mr. Blair.
John Blair
04:45:54
Correct.
04:45:55
If there are two council members per your rules of procedure that would like something placed on the agenda, you can request that it be placed on the agenda.
SPEAKER_31
04:46:07
I would second placing it on the agenda.
04:46:10
I understand from them that this is of some urgency.
SPEAKER_22
04:46:17
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
04:46:18
Alright, meeting adjourned.
04:46:20
Hi.
Heather Hill
04:46:20
Sorry.
Nikuyah Walker
04:46:27
Clearly I need rest.
04:46:30
So we open up the last community matters.
04:46:34
Is there anyone who would like to speak?
Michael Payne
04:46:42
Michael Payne, city resident.
04:46:44
I'll be very brief, but I think the conversation on Nassau Street highlights again how zoning reform needs to be a priority on par with anything else we're doing on affordable housing.
04:46:54
Outcomes like this and applicants being forced to go through a process like this is really going to set us back on affordable housing.
Nikuyah Walker
04:47:10
Is there anyone else?
04:47:16
Thank you, Nina Durham.