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City Council 3/19/2018
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City Council
3/19/2018
Attachments
March192018agenda.pdf
March192018withbackground.pdf
20180319Mar19.pdf
ROLL CALL
PROCLAMATIONS
CITY MANAGER RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY MATTERS
COMMUNITY MATTERS
CONSENT AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARING: FY 2019 Tax Rate
PUBLIC HEARING: City Manager's Proposed FY 2019 Budget
PUBLIC HEARING /APPROPRIATION: HB2 / SMART Scale grant funding Barracks Road / Emmet Street Intersection - $8,640,866 (carried)
REPORT: Internet Access for Public Housing
REPORT: Community Remembrance Project with the Equal Justice Initiative
REPORT: Investigative Detentions Update
REPORT: Communications Update
OTHER BUSINESS
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
ROLL CALL
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I don't know.
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Music Playing
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you
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you
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you
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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So I call this meeting to order.
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Good evening.
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invisible, with liberty and justice for all.
SPEAKER_31
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Dr. Bellamy?
SPEAKER_00
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Here.
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Ms. Hill?
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Here.
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Ms. Walker?
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Here.
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Mr. Signer?
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Ms. Galvin?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
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Here.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Proclamations we don't have.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
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Mayor Walker, I have something I'd like to present.
PROCLAMATIONS
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
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OK. For the women on our city council, as well as who have been supporting us, I'd like to, sorry I should have warned you all before, but kind of wanted to surprise you.
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I want to officially give you all this proclamation celebrating Women in Public Office Day as a part of Women's History Month.
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So officially I'd like to declare that whereas the month of March is Women's History Month and celebrates the significant contributions women of all races, ethnicities, and backgrounds have made to the world, and whereas women play a critical role in the vitality and diversity of our communities,
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and are essential to ensuring Charlottesville is well represented and whereas the 20th century was a pivotal time of growth for women entering politics, women remain underrepresented in male dominated fields and thus providing opportunities to support women in public office is imperative.
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And whereas for the first time in history, Charlottesville City Council has a female mayor and a female vice mayor and all three of the women representing the community on council
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make us better collectively.
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And whereas recognizing women in public office will bring awareness to the fundamental necessity of their work and will inspire other young people to serve their communities,
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Now therefore, be it resolved by the Charlottesville City Council, I hope with your permission, that we do hereby proclaim March 19th to be celebrated as Women in Public Office Day and call upon the people of Charlottesville, Virginia to unite as we support the success of Women in Public Office, signed and sealed on this 19th day of March 2018 by Wes Bellamy.
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If we can, can we give the women up here a round of applause, please?
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I know I was supposed to warn you all, but in light of everything and we all may not agree on every single thing all of the time, I really do appreciate your collective work that you all give to the city.
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and I think every word that we put up there, we meant.
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You women do make us a lot better.
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We have one as well for you, Ms. Robertson, as well for you, Ms. Rice.
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I didn't tell you that.
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But we really appreciate you all and all of the women who are here as well as who work for the city.
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You appreciate it.
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Thank you.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
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Thank you very much, Councillor Bellamy.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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The city manager's response to community matters.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
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Thank you, Mayor Walker.
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Just a couple of updates.
CITY MANAGER RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY MATTERS
Maurice Jones
City Manager
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At the last city council meeting, Ms. Emily Gorzynski raised concerns that she had about information that she had discovered online, some threats, that type of thing, and we have met with Ms. Gorzynski to collect that information and have discussions with the police department and with the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office.
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I just wanted to provide an update on the Civilian Review Board process.
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We have set a date for the forum for the Civilian Review Board.
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That will be April 24th from 5.30 to 8.45.
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We're still working on a site for that.
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We'll have more information about that within the next day or so.
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We do have 17 candidates who will be part of that process on the 24th, and then we'll have follow-up from that with the City Council shortly thereafter.
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But we will have a press release going out within the next 24 to 48 hours on that.
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We'll be posting it on social media and elsewhere.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Thank you.
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All right.
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So we'll start community matters.
COMMUNITY MATTERS
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Um, the first person up is Jameson.
SPEAKER_34
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Good evening.
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My name is Jim Hingely.
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I'm a city resident.
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I'm here tonight to ask city council to
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rename Emancipation Park as Swanson Legacy Park.
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I know you are familiar with the story of Gregory Swanson who in 1950 as an African American applied for admission to the University of Virginia Law School.
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The law school faculty denied Mr. Swanson admission, rather excuse me, let me get that straight, the law school faculty
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agreed to admit Mr. Swanson to the law school.
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It was the Board of Visitors that denied his application to the law school.
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Because the Board of Visitors denied his application, Mr. Swanson went to court to compel the Board of Visitors to admit him to the University of Virginia.
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His court proceeding took place here in Charlottesville.
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And the courthouse at that time was in the Jefferson Madison Regional Library, downtown branch.
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on East Market Street, which as you all know is immediately adjacent to what was in 1950 named Lee Park.
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Following the court proceeding, the lawyers and Mr. Swanson, who had won a monumental civil rights victory compelling the University of Virginia to admit Mr. Swanson, left the courtroom and walked across the street to Lee Park.
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and they celebrated their victory in court in Lee Park.
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I have a picture which is circulating on counsel's dais.
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This is a picture of Mr. Swanson and
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his lawyers and other civil rights activists who were there at the time gathered on the low wall which is on the second street side of Lee Park.
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Among those who represented Mr. Swanson in court were Thurgood Marshall who was pictured here, Oliver Hill, Mr. Swanson next to him and Spotswood Robinson.
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These are all nationally acclaimed lawyers
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They were all working with the NAACP in a coordinated strategy at that time to open up opportunities for African Americans in transportation, voting, housing, and education.
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This case was a monumental case.
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It was a case that led directly to the Brown versus Board of Education case.
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This is a case that occurred in Charlottesville.
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It occurred in the courtroom in Charlottesville, the federal courtroom.
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and it occurred actually on the space that was then known in 1950 as Lee Park.
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Please honor these connections to Charlottesville and have Emancipation Park renamed as Swanson Legacy Park.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Thank you.
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Emily Dreyfus.
SPEAKER_16
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Good evening, my name is Emily Dreyfus and I'm a community organizer with the Legal Aid Justice Center and on the Advisory Council for the Public Housing Association of Residents.
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Our offices are at 1000 Preston Avenue.
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I can't help but comment on the prior
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Speaker's suggestions for just a moment that I would really hope the name for the parks comes from the community that is most unrepresented in this community at this point.
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I think that there are good reasons to do different things, but whether it might be Mary Carey Park that a colleague of mine recently suggested or another name, I really think that the people who are most affected by the injustice that's happened in this community are the ones who need to be
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making those decisions.
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And I hope that outreach from the city is happening in a way that involves people who are least likely to be before you in this type of format.
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So I'm here to talk with you about affordable housing and community involvement.
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Two days ago, Legal Aid Justice Center, FAR, and others provided a conference in collaboration with UVA.
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A total of over 200 people attended.
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I wish more of you had been able to make it.
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It was a really interesting and helpful day.
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Most of the day, we had a standing room only crowd.
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Speakers ranged from people promoting jobs programs to a low income leader from right to the city.
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which is the author of the recently released report called Communities Over Commodities.
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We wish that our community will take a page out of that report or many pages and start making more progress on affordable housing.
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As you've heard many times before, the city is bleeding.
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Maybe some of our wounds from the past summer have lessened with time, but we are far from healthy.
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We are in a growing crisis as more and more people are forced out of our community.
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Yet the city continues to allow the real estate market to freely determine low income people's fate.
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That is not only unjust, but irresponsible.
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I was very disturbed to hear the proposed budget's lack of focus on the unmet needs of low income, predominantly African-American residents.
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In particular, the tax relief program for homeowners is slated for only a very small increase, $75 to $100 per year per household.
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I'm not an expert on the specifics of this program.
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But it seems to me that this is one of the few tools that you have in your toolbox.
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And such a small increase is inadequate to address the needs, especially when homeowners are facing significant tax increases due to the city's rapidly rising assessments.
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I've been told in some neighborhoods that the assessments of the land have doubled in Rose Hill area.
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and that is going to result in true hardship and we need to do much more than a slight increase.
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Over a year ago NDS gave a report about displacement in the SAA and data was not included for the past five years but in the several years prior to 2012 almost 200 African-American families had been displaced from that neighborhood alone.
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This is a tragic situation and it needs aggressive action.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Hart, Walt Heinecky.
SPEAKER_31
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I'm sorry.
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I want to thank you.
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My name is Ronnie Harry, and I needed this time.
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I am the victim of the rape and the crime for three years.
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I mean, two years ago, in Charlottesville.
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May I have my time at the end?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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No, if you see it.
SPEAKER_31
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I don't want to go first.
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OK. My name is Ronnie Harry.
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I was a victim of a crime in Charlottesville a year and a half ago.
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The verdict was laid down a couple weeks ago.
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I did not want to put my name in the pool for persecution.
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I'm sorry, I'm very emotional.
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This was a cop that sexually assaulted the girl.
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I am the girl.
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It took a lot for me to come here and face you guys, face Charlottesville.
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After the trial, I ran and I hid.
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I will not hide anymore.
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I was never given a fair trial, but that's not why I'm here.
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I stand with you.
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No.
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The train strips are out.
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My grave is with the city.
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And I came to you.
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I didn't even come to you.
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I didn't want this trial.
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I didn't want any of what I had.
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But a couple of weeks ago, you let the citizens know it was OK to let
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I'm a uniformed cop.
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Come to your home and do whatever he wanted to do.
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The transcribes read with the transcribes read.
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He confessed to it.
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Whether I was an informant with Jade, which is illegal to announce.
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And if anybody wants to hear about Jade, look me up.
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But the point was,
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I was a concerned citizen.
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And I called 911.
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I didn't ask for any of this.
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And my life was torn apart.
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It took me so long to come forward.
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And if anyone's offended, I'm sorry.
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I'm not an advocate for women.
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No, you are.
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Excellent.
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Look what you're doing.
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I would never come forward again if I didn't come forward.
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But you did.
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Bell, and the strength to ask for the resignation of Brian O'Donnell.
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And I'm not going to lie, Joe did what he could in 70 days.
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Murtaugh had a year and a half.
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Sandridge had a year and a half.
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I just have a woman to come forward.
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It's not okay for a common uniform to come to your house.
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I have here in the hard drive what I asked for a year and a half ago, which was safety.
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I never wanted to come forward.
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I would have gone to the grave with this.
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and Lucas I got.
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A cop can come to your home, your daughter's home, and be victimized.
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I don't care who I was, and I'll say it just so I can think about it.
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Am I sassy?
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Yes.
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Bull bosoms?
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Yes.
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I called in an accident at 9-1-1.
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9-1-1!
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Everybody can read the transcripts.
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I didn't ask for this.
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and I'll be showing media to say if I'm one cop, I'll ask for it.
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I am confident in my sexuality.
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I never want my sexuality and who I am to be questioned.
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I am who I am.
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I didn't know this person.
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I don't care how the media covers this.
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I have two daughters.
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I'm so sorry.
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I just never would have come forward if I knew that I would have gotten this.
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He confessed three times.
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He confessed three times in transcript.
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How did he get away with it?
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Am I that big of a whore that I did this?
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I got ripped in half.
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I have sisters who won't look me in the eye because
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Let's talk about Jane.
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Let's not talk about Jane.
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We'll talk about that later.
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But anybody who wants a hard drive and a disk, I begged for my freedom a year and a half ago.
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I begged for it.
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I didn't want any of this.
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How could you?
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Okay, look at this.
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This is what I got a week and a half ago.
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Look at my face.
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I can't even tell and I got beat down for being in employment.
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I'm going to take a quick break.
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I got it.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
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We're going to take a quick recess.
SPEAKER_31
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It's fine.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
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We'll take a five minute recess.
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Right, Mayor Walker?
SPEAKER_31
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Five minute recess.
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Joe had 70 days.
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My dog had a year to have.
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I was never given a fantasy problem.
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Look at my face.
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I got beat down.
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I'm not a whore.
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I love kids, but I'm not a whore.
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Thank you.
SPEAKER_03
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I just put my name on the budget thing and so mine's related to budget.
SPEAKER_31
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I just want to say, I don't want to interrupt anything.
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I was on trial for two days and you know trial is different in real life.
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Have I been a good person all my life?
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No.
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When I came to Charlottesville, I was a good person.
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You gonna escort me out?
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No, listen, I don't want to.
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I just want to say thank you for the opportunity and at least I got to say what I wanted to say.
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I didn't get to say it in trial because you don't get to stand up for yourself.
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And I want to stand up for myself now.
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I've had a couple of weeks to ask that everything you read in the press
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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All right, we're going to continue with the community matters.
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So Jessica Maslany.
SPEAKER_35
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Good evening.
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My name is Jessica Maslany.
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I'm the executive director at the YMCA, and I thank you for allowing us to go right now.
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We have a lot of child care families here that we want to allow to go home and get their children in bed, so thank you for allowing us to go.
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I would like if all the child care families would be able to stand up.
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And this is Ms. L'Oreal.
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She's one of our teachers.
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She's been with us for 10 years.
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She's just going to acknowledge the families who are going to be here tonight.
SPEAKER_24
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All right, we'd like to thank the Lloyd's for coming out tonight.
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Milam, Van Churn, right?
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OK. We have Miss Alyssa Bradshaw in the back.
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She's one of our teachers.
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We have Rory and Miss Ivy with us as well.
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We have Miss Missy with us, our CFO.
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We have Miss Tiffany.
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She is one of our parents, but she's also on our parents board.
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We have Miss India Watkins.
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She's back there.
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She's our administrative assistant.
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We have Miss Brianna Gould in the back with her child, Azaria and Azir.
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We have Ms. Liz in the back as well, she's one of our teachers.
Tanesha Hudson
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We have Mr. Jonathan who also came out to support us, one of our teachers.
SPEAKER_24
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We have Adam here, and we have Megan, and we have Waylon, which are some of our students as well.
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Oh, and Ms. Jackson in the back with her boys, and Ms. Amaya.
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Oh, and also we have Stracker.
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And we will save our comments for the public hearing section.
SPEAKER_35
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We just wanted to let some of these families go so they don't have to stay too long.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
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Thank you.
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Jojo Robertson.
SPEAKER_30
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There's so many things that I need or want to say tonight.
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okay first of all that back row that back row and there's beautiful babies there which also I think should be allowed to sit there with their mamas that back row needs to be for handicapped people you want to know why people from Crescent Halls don't come and there's no accessibility you try to sit in one of these seats and get up and get around and in fact this should not be my time because this is saving you all
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from a lawsuit because just like when Miss Peggy tried to talk, she came down, almost rolled into the air.
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I had to jump up and help her.
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This is ridiculous, okay?
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I am disabled myself and I'm not going to do this.
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This is wrong.
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I asked you, Heather, to look into it.
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I got no response.
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That's not okay.
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Disabled and elderly people matter.
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Thank you.
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Number two.
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There's a note that was going around the downtown mall.
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I'd like to know who sent it.
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In fact, there have been numerous phone calls in the downtown business association to, oh yes ma'am.
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Numerous phone calls to find out who did this.
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It's rude if you don't like people celebrating that someone who was hurt and head bashed in with staples
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because he was taking care of our community.
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And you don't like that people are chanting or going down celebrating, pick my guy and bring the racist back.
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See if you like that.
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See if that's good for the downtown mall.
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$60,000 for a chiller, for crested halls.
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And how much do you give in 15 minutes?
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Chain on you.
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You and Mike Signer.
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15 minutes, you give them $75,000.
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$60,000 for a tiller and it takes months.
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Who knows?
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Who knows if it's even gonna start?
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Who knows?
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Summertime is coming.
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Do any of you care?
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Wes cares.
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He goes down there.
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They might be asleep or tired, whatever.
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He tries.
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Nikuyah goes down there.
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Ms. Galvin, you email me.
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about two years ago asking if you could meet with me.
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Have you ever been down there?
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You have.
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Well, they don't even know you.
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They don't know your name.
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They didn't know Kristen's name.
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They didn't know Mike's name.
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This is ridiculous.
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$75,000.
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Oh, one more thing.
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One more thing.
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Human Rights Commission.
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You want people of color to keep getting discriminated against?
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I'm going to put on my side caring for the Seaville people.
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because it will take me a very long time to tell you about three of my African-American friends, one that's called the N-word over and over, told she's going to be hung from a tree.
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I take her to Charlene Green.
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Nothing happens.
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That's your Charlottesville.
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And I am so upset for that young lady that came up here that I need to leave.
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This is not OK. What is wrong with us?
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I'm tired of it.
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I'm tired of being nice.
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Jojo, thank you.
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Harold Foley.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
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I had followed up on her request around the seating.
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I was just going to comment that I had followed up and Mr. Murphy is following up with an investigation into understanding the use of the back row and how our law enforcement interacts with folks in the back row.
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So that was something I had followed up on and Mr. Murphy was getting for me.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
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Good evening.
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I'm Earl Foley, 1407 Miller Street.
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I am giving my time to Nancy Carpenter.
SPEAKER_18
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Good evening, Nancy Carpenter.
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I'm going to be doing some remarks about the Civilian Review Board.
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This is in reference to a petition that's been going around the city.
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OK. And it's going to tell me that I don't have it.
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OK.
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Basically, there are some issues that we have with the Civilian Review Board.
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In December of 2017, the then City Council, in response to loud and persistent public demands, passed a resolution establishing a Civilian Review Board for the Charlottesville Police Department.
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That resolution included a commitment to host a public forum,
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where community members could, in the presence of city council, ask questions of CRB applicants.
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Because the resolution leaves most of the issues about the composition, purpose and process of the CRB to the initial appointees, the process of selection of its members is a crucial step in its formation.
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We understand that an applicant form has been scheduled for April 24th from 5pm to 9pm.
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However, the community remains largely in the dark regarding how City Council plans to select the initial CRB members, as no other information about the process has been made public.
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In fact, the community has learned that City Council made the closed door decision to throw out seven of the 24 applications to serve on the CRB because the applicants do not live within city limits.
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While we agree that those most directly impacted by institutions and their policies should govern them, this residency restriction was not
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included in the resolution and was not announced publicly and the city still has not made public with the names of the candidates that are no longer being considered.
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Perhaps even worse, the city's website currently states, quote, council is scheduled to consider applicants at their February 20th, 2018 closed session meeting, end quote.
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Mr. Wheeler, maybe you could change that, please.
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The public has received no information about this.
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This lack of transparency and communication regarding the creation of a body whose very purpose is civilian oversight of our government is completely unacceptable.
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From here forward, City Council must conduct the process for selecting and appointing CRB members in an open and transparent manner.
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Akin to the process recently employed to select the city's mayor, there are the following demands to city council.
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One, make public the seven names of the applicants that are no longer under consideration.
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Hold the applicant form in city council chambers.
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where it can be televised and recorded and live, was it Facebook Live it?
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And publicly announce the process City Council will follow from applicant form through final appointment.
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The process must include Council holding an open public discussion of who will be appointed to the CRBNY.
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We want to start healing.
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This is part of the process to start healing.
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Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
00:50:56
So during our meeting for the Civilian Review Board, there were 25 applicants on the city's website.
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It states that city residents will be given preference for boards.
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And I'm assuming that that was the day that we did the selection, February 20th, for the other boards and commissions.
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And I suggested that since there are seven seats,
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and 17 city residents that it would be very difficult to choose from those 17 to make up the board, and it's the Charlottesville Police Department, that it would make the most sense for us to consider city residents.
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The seven county residents received a letter that Ms. Rice mailed to them.
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to let them know that they weren't being considered.
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And I hope that the individuals who brought this up as a lack of transparency had maybe talked to some of them, because by the time this was a factor, they should have received their letters by that time.
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We were in the process of waiting for the space for the Civilian Review Board
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We wanted a larger space than city council chambers not to not be televised, but so that a larger number of people could attend the meeting.
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And so this was just one of those things.
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I had several conversations with community members last week just personal because I put it out there in the first email chain that we received that I was the one that
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suggested to the rest of council that we consider the seven, you know, that we consider city residents only.
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This was a real interesting process for this whole, for this to be called lack of transparency.
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It was definitely something interesting for me sitting on the other side.
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I don't do a lot of group.
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You all know I show up, I do my work and I leave, but this was a really interesting process.
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So hopefully
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through the form that you'll see that there's always a call still from my world for transparency.
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And I hope through the rest of the process that you all are happy with.
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There is one point on that that I am very uncomfortable with.
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If you are suggesting that we speak
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Publicly about applicants and why we are selecting them, I would like for you all to tell me how that's going to work.
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We did it because we are elected officials and I recommended that, but if they are because we should be able to take it.
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You all saw the process that we went through.
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A lot of people commented on how I should have been offended.
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I am not offended often by things that are said to me.
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I'm able to have conversations with individuals that some of you thought I should be offended by, even though they made statements and I'm not.
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We were able to move on and have conversations.
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But if we are sitting up here, even if we don't say anything negative about any of the other 10 applicants that we don't select, how are people going to feel?
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even if we praise just the seven in public.
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So that is a process that I'm not comfortable with because for most people it's not going to be simply that this is how you made the decision.
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There are 17 very qualified applicants for the Civilian Review Board and it's not a process and I'm, you know, only 70 something days in.
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in this conversation about how we choose and select committee members anyway.
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But I'm open to hearing from you all how you all think that that's going to work, and especially the 17 people who applied and who will be the ones that we will be discussing.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
00:55:25
Mary Curry.
SPEAKER_22
00:55:42
Good evening.
00:55:45
Mary Curry, city resident.
00:55:49
Very upset, trying to calm down.
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Got a little motion in.
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emotional there for a minute, but the last meeting in here, I guess it was a meeting.
00:56:02
It was a meeting in the beginning, but when y'all start giving out money and stuff, I don't know what it turned into because y'all never answered the mayor's question, Ms. Galvin, or Ms. Hill.
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Mr. Signer is not here.
00:56:21
Mr. Bellamy, you weren't here.
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But it was terrible.
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It was a mess.
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I've been coming to city council meetings since 1978.
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I never seen a meeting like that in here.
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Ms. Gavin, I never seen a meeting like that.
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Y'all gave away that money without even talking about it, without even asking the mayor, even answering her questions.
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Mr. Jones tried.
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He gave her a little window to climb through.
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But you knocked it down, Miss Gaddy.
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You kept saying, I'm ready to vote.
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But Signer said, I seconded.
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Mayor Walker said, well, hold on.
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I'd like to know how's this money going to be distributed.
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What is it?
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Y'all wouldn't give her no answers.
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I never seen y'all give that much money away to nobody in that little amount of time.
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You use the weed until the full council gets together, you table it, you discuss it, and you come back with it.
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And Miss Hill, your rich friends, they always down on the mall.
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They own those shops down there.
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And you talking about they come down there to eat?
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How many times do they come down there to eat?
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and you got to slow down because I don't understand what you're saying sometimes.
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And you got to speak into that, into the smartphone like a seal because I can't hear you either.
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But I'm going to tell you something.
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Those votes, those three votes were bogus because Mr. Signer sit there just like he do all the time when he was the mayor.
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Every time he get ready to vote, he had a little speech already written up.
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He didn't have that when he came.
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He had that when he came in here.
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He didn't write that.
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Y'all planned that mess.
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Y'all planned to get those people that $75,000.
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And then when a black man found not guilty for something that a group of crazy white people said he did, it had never happened in this town before.
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That was history.
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Y'all should have gave him a parade.
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You should have gave him a party.
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Should have been on those cheap sheets floating around talking about y'all disturbing the customers on the mall.
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You lucky you've got any customers down there after that.
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And with Woodard trying to dig holes in the city, you may not get none then.
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And thank you.
SPEAKER_24
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Thank you.
SPEAKER_02
00:58:57
Hi everybody, Luis Oyola of Old Lynchburg Road.
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For those unaware, there are still survivors of James Alexfield's car attack who haven't seen a dime of all of the fundraisers and money that came into the city.
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There is too much red tape around the various disbursement processes and this city is in a position to establish direct and consistent help for all survivors, those who live in town and those who live outside of town.
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It's a shame they're being left to fight their own trauma and on top of that having to fight the bureaucracy around the money that was raised in their name.
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There is enough money to address the systemic issues and pay those who are doing that work on the ground, mainly in the local black and poor neighborhoods.
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Free up the money for all of this work that is leading us to not have to deal with another August 12th.
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Also, last council I called on the city to respect the black student unions and young liberals walk out on their terms.
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Instead, last week the students walked out to CPD officers facing them with assault rifles.
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These officers prevented any press or parents from going down to the field to join in solidarity.
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There is video and photo evidence of this in social media.
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We put the city on notice and we observed who they see as a threat.
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Students, mostly black students, showing up for their own lives, literally.
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This is notable because these are decisions that are made by the city manager in link with the Charlottesville Police Department.
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They might claim this is for their safety, but these cops are facing them.
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They didn't let their parents join.
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And what does this say when they're showing up against gun violence and they're met with guns?
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This decision has been noted by residents.
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And on the last note, please prioritize an independent and transparent process for developing the Civilian Review Board.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:00:58
Thank you.
01:01:09
So very briefly, just an update in regards to the funding for the victims from A-12.
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There was a meeting just this past Thursday, if I'm not mistaken, with a member from the city, Ms. Gretchen Ellis, as well as the State Department in regards to expediting the process for dispersing the funds from the state.
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So if you and I can maybe get together afterwards and we can get a report from Ms. Ellis and we can make that public if need be.
01:01:35
In regards to the update, also Unity Seaville is still more than willing to provide funding.
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So the main part though as many individuals have come to find out is the state not releasing the funding for a variety of different reasons and it's my understanding that that conversation did go well.
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So again, we can get together afterwards and connect with Ms. Ellis and find out exactly what we need to do to get those funds and those resources into the hands of the people who need it.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:02:05
If I may, Mayor Walker, Councilor Bellamy, I would really like to see a report or whatever you find out.
01:02:12
And again, anything that the council can do to assist.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:02:16
Yes.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:02:16
Would be much appreciated.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:02:18
Yes, ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:02:20
Thank you.
01:02:24
Don Gathers.
Don Gathers
01:02:32
Good evening.
01:02:32
Don Gathers, City of Charlottesville.
01:02:34
And I rise in support of what Brother Luis had to say.
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I also rise in support of what Sister Carrie had to say.
01:02:44
It was horrific, the response of a CPD at Charlottesville High School that day.
01:02:55
The only thing missing was the gas.
01:02:59
For them to be standing facing the students with assault weapons
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and their large tactical vehicles up and down Melbourne Street, it was just completely unnecessary.
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It led credence to the very reason why that action was necessary.
01:03:19
Now, in support of what Ms. Kerry had to say, there is no reason why the vote two weeks ago had to be taken in absence of one of our council members.
01:03:31
Absolutely not.
01:03:32
that could have waited until the full council was present.
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$75,000 to the Downtown Business Association which does not in any way form or fashion support black businesses, minority businesses, and people of color.
01:03:53
So this thing was done under the cover of night apparently.
01:03:59
It was pre-planned.
01:04:01
It should have been tabled, and I don't know why $75,000 had to go running out of these doors two weeks ago just immediately.
01:04:12
Even on a three to one vote, if Mr. Bellamy had been here, in all likelihood, I can't speak for him, but it would have been three to two, but we would have had the opportunity for discussion.
01:04:22
There's got to be a formula, a way, a vehicle so that this sort of thing just doesn't happen Developers and big businesses are not that important that they can't wait two weeks to get money If that's the case, close the doors What we've seen and heard tonight gives more credence and necessity to why we need a civilian review board It also begs to honor
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the transparency that Mayor Walker has already begun here on this council.
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I plead with you to continue that and in keeping with that I think the citizens of the city of Charlottesville deserve to know how the process was or processes were put in place to whittle down the 70 plus applicants to those who actually will be interviewed.
01:05:16
We don't know who took on that massive work
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how it was done and how we arrived at the number of people that we actually will be interviewing throughout that process.
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I think that the people of Charlottesville deserve to know that.
01:05:30
And we also need to make that selection process as much as possible without violating anyone's rights as transparent as possible as well.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:05:38
Are you talking about for the police chief?
01:05:41
Yes, ma'am.
01:05:42
We didn't whittle down 70 applications from the civilian review board.
Don Gathers
01:05:46
No, no, no.
01:05:46
The 70 plus applications for the police chief.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:05:54
Michael Payne
Michael Payne
01:06:06
Michael Payne, I just want to speak briefly about the conference that was held this weekend hosted by the Charlottesville Income Housing Coalition, Legal Aid Justice Center, and the Public Housing Association of Residents on Affordable Housing and Gentrification.
01:06:22
I thought it was a really incredible, informative conference.
01:06:25
If anyone wasn't able to be there, I believe there is a recording that will be posted publicly to watch.
01:06:31
But I actually, you know, after a
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I wasn't able to see the whole thing but after being there for most of it I left hopeful and positive.
01:06:39
There are a lot of proactive solutions put forward.
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I think there is a path forward and I think it helps sort of get us, you know, get the conversation to what the root of this issue is, which I think is the matter of limited land and after Charlottesville making its way to the number one on all these lists,
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Land became very valuable.
01:07:01
And we have a situation now where developers, particularly wealthy developers who aren't that connected to the community, view land as an investment.
01:07:11
So they're coming in and purchasing it and flipping it to make a quick profit.
01:07:15
And the process of doing that, it's skyrocketing property values, driving out long-term residents, making property taxes unaffordable, and driving land speculation.
01:07:26
And I think one of the things that became clear to me at the conference was that
01:07:29
The problem is one of limited land, not limited revenue.
01:07:33
Revenue matters, but we can't grow ourselves out of this crisis because there's so much limited land.
01:07:39
What we have to try and do is take land off the market so people aren't using it to speculate as an investment, but we can have our land be geared towards giving people a place to live.
01:07:51
And I think the only way around that is community land trusts and starting to take land off the market
01:07:57
and having it be in public control and for people to live.
01:08:02
Charlottesville has the first community land trust of any city in Virginia.
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There is an infrastructure already there.
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It's something we can grow.
01:08:10
In Durham, they have a land trust which is very active.
01:08:14
And in Durham, they actually had their land trust hire a full-time community organizer whose job was to go out into the community and have the land trust be proactively part of the community.
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and they realize that what the land trust buys now is what determines 30, 40, 50 years what affordable housing looks like.
01:08:31
So we need to do everything we can to get land into land trust because every property that is not in the land trust is going to be, the reality is it will be used for investment to make a lot of money for developers and it cannot be used for affordable housing.
01:08:44
And I think the other thing was to not be afraid to take a movement approach to these policies, to be thinking about building a movement that has big goals where we have a platform in place when the state legislature flips, we know what we want when they can repeal the Dylann Rule.
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We know how to proactively go out into the community.
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and to not limit ourselves to what we can only do just now.
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Every city is facing this crisis.
01:09:08
No city has cracked the code.
01:09:09
I think Charlottesville does have an opportunity to be a nationwide leader in terms of what actually solving the affordable housing crisis looks like.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:09:17
So, thank you.
01:09:21
Thank you.
01:09:21
Mayor Walker, may I make some comments?
01:09:24
Thank you for that, Mr. Payne.
01:09:27
I just want to make it clear that the Council wasn't informed of that conference until last Tuesday.
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I would have been there if I had known and I had already made plans.
01:09:40
It was a Saturday.
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I was out of town.
01:09:44
I will definitely like to know how to get that video clip or the recording.
01:09:50
That's number one.
01:09:52
And number two, I believe we're gonna be getting our housing plan by May, Mr. Jones?
01:10:01
And the housing needs assessment will be done by April?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
01:10:05
Yeah, there are a couple of moving parts there.
01:10:07
So there's a housing report, the update, that's gonna be coming to council in April, along with the discussion over land bank.
01:10:14
And then there's going to be a discussion with the city council
01:10:19
We're planning a discussion with the City Council and the HAC to discuss the Housing Advisory Committee to discuss a work plan for affordable housing moving forward.
01:10:31
That's going to be coming up, I believe, in May.
01:10:34
So there are a couple of moving pieces there.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:10:37
And I would like to remind my council that
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We do have these memorandum of understanding between ourselves and Albemarle County, and there is a housing memorandum of understanding that I believe there is on the list to entertain a regional housing authority.
01:10:59
Land is an issue.
01:11:01
We do need to be expanding the area where we could be actually building more affordable housing using actively tools like the land trust.
01:11:11
So I would like to make sure that we get that on as a priority at our next summit with Almonte County and the city of Charlottesville.
01:11:21
We usually have that in September or October as I remember.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
01:11:25
It's varied, but we're looking at sometime in the summertime or into the early fall.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:11:29
And it makes sense because we are in full swing with a regional transit partnership because once we get a regional transit orientation and a strategy, making a regional housing strategy is that much more doable and sensible because transportation and housing go hand in glove in terms of making sure that people have an affordable way to live and an affordable way to get to their jobs
01:11:55
and to shop into their child care.
01:11:58
So I just wanted to kind of put that context out there.
01:12:02
I would like to see that housing conference video clip.
01:12:07
And we'll have a very rich discussion when we get the housing report.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:12:15
Just as a follow-up, Ms. Galvin, is Emily driving still?
01:12:20
Oh, Ms. Dreyfuss told me outside that there's a recording from Saturday, so she possibly can get that to us.
01:12:27
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:12:30
Thank you very much.
01:12:31
And even with the Regional Housing Authority, I hope it is still our priority to make sure that families can stay in the city.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:12:39
Oh, absolutely.
01:12:41
I do think, though, the need is so great and the land is limited and even a land trust, you have to have a willing seller.
01:12:49
If people aren't going to sell you the land, there is no land to be gotten.
01:12:53
We don't we cannot use eminent domain to purchase to secure land for a land trust.
01:13:01
it has to be based on.
01:13:02
And when you look at our land use pattern, and that came out in the housing summit back in February, 60 to 70 percent of our land is residential, private residential.
01:13:16
And 60 percent of that is rental.
01:13:18
So we're talking about another strategy would be to make sure that we're in a position to acquire apartment buildings as they come online.
01:13:27
so that they don't flip over and turn into expensive luxury apartments or condominiums.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
01:13:36
I did spend like the better part of, I was attending the better part of the conference on Saturday and I really commend the folks that pulled it together but I think one of the themes that came across, especially because some of the folks that were there on a panel were representing, coming from the state of Illinois where we are under some different guidelines and I just, I really ask the community to come and work and partner with us so that we can take this fight to the state because a lot of these things unfortunately have to be handled at the state level for us to gain the control back of how we put regulations in place so that we can
01:14:06
do things such as inclusionary zoning and the like.
01:14:09
And so I just really ask us all to work together in taking that fight to Richmond, as well as the federal level, as we really have a lot we're up against in terms of lack of funding coming from the federal government.
01:14:19
So that was a theme that I could hear again and again on Saturday.
01:14:23
So I would welcome your partnership.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:14:26
And if I may, Mayor Walker, one more thing.
01:14:30
One serious consequence of the recent tax bill that was passed at the national level is that it has made it less desirable for investors to purchase and invest in low-income housing tax credits, which is the major vehicle by which we build affordable housing and has been that way for the last 50 years.
01:14:54
That means that they've lost value by about 12%.
01:14:57
that gap in funding is going to have to come up from the local level and with partnership with the state.
01:15:04
So again, we're aware that the consequences of this recent tax bill are slowly revealing themselves.
01:15:10
But I think one of the tools that I know we're looking at within the housing strategy is a tool that was used in Columbia Pike, Arlington County, where there was a way to capture
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the increment of increased value and turn it back into investments in low-income housing tax credits.
01:15:31
So we're looking at those kinds of tools.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:15:36
OK. Rosia Parker.
Rosia Parker
01:15:44
Good afternoon.
01:15:45
I ain't going to take too much of your time.
01:15:47
But now I only need three minutes.
01:15:52
I'm very upset and very appalled.
01:15:54
Why is Mike Signer not here?
01:15:56
Is he still accepting words on the dependency of democracy?
01:16:00
I love how he continues to lie in receiving these things.
01:16:05
I love how on his tweets he also reads that he loves when you're isolated.
01:16:09
That way things can get passed in a way that it needs to be passed.
01:16:13
Kathy and I wouldn't be good near liberals if we didn't serve the downtown business while letting public housing slide further into despair.
01:16:20
So is that why that $75,000 or however came across last week?
01:16:25
Also, to whomever the letter came from in the business, downtown business, as a black woman,
01:16:34
I am very, very ashamed of who would even have the audacity to type that letter up.
01:16:41
For the simple fact there was a black man that was harmed.
01:16:44
Now if it hadn't been one of your children,
01:16:47
in that parking garage, you would have felt the same way too if you had had people out there supporting your child.
01:16:53
But because that land got stolen when Vinegar Hill was stolen, that's our land.
01:16:59
That's black people's land.
01:17:00
And every time I come through there, I'm going to holler and I'm going to shout Black Lives Matter.
01:17:04
And I'm going to continue to get louder and louder.
01:17:07
For the simple fact, y'all felt that it was a need to take our black people to court, even though it wasn't just black people, but majority of it was black homeless people, and they still won the case.
01:17:16
So therefore, we still gonna win the case, because I'm still gonna come through there, and I'm still gonna shout.
01:17:19
And if you don't like it, too bad, because black lives matter.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:17:30
Lawson Bevelle.
SPEAKER_38
01:17:36
Thank you for having me, City Council.
01:17:40
As we speak, the environment continues to become more and more polluted with plastic.
01:17:48
In the middle of the Pacific Ocean, for those who aren't familiar, we have a giant pile of trash floating in the middle of the ocean called the Great Garbage Pacific Patch.
01:18:02
You can look it up on the internet.
01:18:05
There's plenty of pictures of it.
01:18:09
Charlottesville is a medium-sized city.
01:18:13
It's not the size of New York or Los Angeles, but it's growing.
01:18:18
And there are many people who are coming into this city and leaving through UVA.
01:18:24
So on top of that, this city has made history multiple times, being a huge, making a huge impact on history.
01:18:35
and LGBTQ rights and civil rights, but we could do more in environmental policies.
01:18:46
We could be that city that is symbolic in that area as well.
01:18:56
I shop at Trader Joe's and I notice that their produce, now they have these bags that are biodegradable.
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Not only do they not last forever, but you could probably toss it into your garden and it will biodegrade there too.
01:19:12
I know there are already cities in the United States who create tax incentives that encourage industry to
01:19:27
to buy plastic bags that are biodegradable and other disposable plastics.
01:19:33
I understand that everything is made out of plastic nowadays, even this furniture here is probably made out of plastic, even though it looks like wood.
01:19:42
We have phones made out of plastic computers.
01:19:44
Plastic is everywhere.
01:19:45
I know it's not going to leave, but what is making the majority of the plastic that's floating in our rivers and streams and the ocean, eventually that's where it all leads,
01:19:57
The plastic that we throw away every single day, the plastic bag that we get from the grocery store that we only use for 15 seconds, the plastic plates we use at our birthday parties, we only use them for two minutes and then we throw in the trash and it ends up in the ocean for hundreds of years.
01:20:17
This city could be a symbolic city in ushering in an age of plastic that doesn't have to sit around in the environment forever.
01:20:27
And not only would the world thank you, but the local environment would thank you, too.
01:20:34
Just take a look around you.
01:20:35
If you walk down any street or if you go down the Rivanna River, you will see that there's plastic everywhere.
01:20:40
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:20:42
Thank you.
01:20:56
Mark Heisey.
01:21:00
Is Mark here?
01:21:04
No.
01:21:05
Evan Brown?
01:21:13
No?
01:21:16
Okay.
01:21:16
So that was 15, so I am going to call Walt.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:21:22
I have some requests that we have, Mr. Honakiko.
SPEAKER_14
01:21:28
Okay.
01:21:35
Molly Converse, city resident.
01:21:36
Based on the looks on some of your faces, I'm concerned that maybe you don't know what some of these speakers tonight up here were referencing when they talked about the letter that was handed out on Friday outside the courthouse.
01:21:44
Actually, if you could talk to my phone, I'll read it to them.
SPEAKER_31
01:21:48
I got it right here.
01:21:50
She's got one right there.
SPEAKER_14
01:21:52
So outside the courthouse, we were all gathered to support DeAndre on Friday.
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And someone was handing out these little slips of paper that were asking us to be quiet, to be polite.
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That they respect our right to free speech, but our loud chanting, singing, and occasional shrieking makes it impossible for us to do our work nearby.
01:22:12
I mean that breaks my heart, truly.
01:22:18
But it's interesting, these pieces of paper, they were obviously pre-printed beforehand.
01:22:22
They were on third sheets of paper, so somebody typed them up, printed them out, and cut them up with a paper cutter, and had them all nice and ready to hand out that morning, which means they did it the day before.
01:22:31
And it just has me wondering, is that what they're using that debug money for?
01:22:34
Do they buy a new paper cutter?
01:22:35
Do they buy a new toner?
01:22:36
Do they use your money to ask us to be more polite in supporting someone who's being railroaded?
01:22:42
I mean, DeAndre got acquitted, thank God, but at what cost?
01:22:45
The charge should have been dropped beforehand in the first place.
01:22:48
People are using our legal system as a retaliatory measure against people defending this community, and you want us to be polite?
01:22:55
You want us to be quiet?
01:22:57
We walked down that mall after that trial, we chanted Black Lives Matter and dropped the charges because Cory Long and Donald Blakeney are still facing charges related to defending this community on August 12th.
01:23:07
And they want us to be quiet because they have client meetings and they are providing opportunities for the community.
01:23:15
Opportunities to whom?
01:23:17
For whom?
01:23:17
And at what cost?
01:23:20
It's not opportunities for people like Donald Blakeney.
01:23:24
And so I would like to know who printed these.
01:23:26
I would like to know where they came from.
01:23:27
Maybe we need to have a little conversation about that because this was not appropriate.
01:23:32
And I certainly hope they're not using the money that you gave them that you should not have voted to give them to insult us like this.
01:23:39
And I hope that someone will look into that.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:23:44
I've seen it.
01:24:03
What do you want
SPEAKER_03
01:24:16
Mayor Walker, Members of Council, City Manager Jones, the budget's being finalized and my question is will you fix the identified problems of the incomplete and ineffective Human Rights Commission?
01:24:28
I saw the comments that were made at the previous budget session about the Human Rights Commission.
01:24:33
There was a lot of misinformation and misdirection indicating a supreme lack of will on this issue.
01:24:38
I really wish some of you would stop misdirecting the public on this issue.
01:24:42
The Human Rights Commission was created because there was discrimination in Charlottesville and there still is.
01:24:47
Stop debating whether there is a problem or not.
01:24:49
We all know there's a problem.
01:24:51
Stop confusing the conversation about its original intentions.
01:24:55
It was meant to address individual complaints of discrimination and to resolve them, period.
01:25:00
It was meant to conduct major studies of discrimination and to recommend actionable changes to U.S. counsel, period.
01:25:08
Neither of those things are happening in the way that they were intended.
01:25:12
I agree the Human Rights Commission in the office is broken.
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and you all know exactly why.
01:25:17
It's your responsibility to fix it now.
01:25:21
You are accountable.
01:25:22
My mother always told me, the minute you realize you made a mistake, you fix it rather than throwing up your hands and ignoring it.
01:25:29
If you don't, what confidence will the public have in your ability to create a citizens review board for the police?
01:25:35
By that argument, the same thing will happen as you have allowed with the Human Rights Commission to undermine and deflect that board.
01:25:43
Rather than throwing up your hands, you can choose to fix the Human Rights Commission now with three simple steps if you have the political will.
01:25:51
One, put the funds in this budget to hire another civil rights attorney director to spearhead the discrimination complaint investigation process and to conduct major discrimination studies.
01:26:02
You already have 38K in the budget for the Human Rights Commission and a little more won't break the bank as Mr. Jones said the other day.
01:26:09
Mandate by clear and specific resolution that the director enter into a work share agreement with the EEOC in Richmond to conduct local investigations of complaints in companies of any size.
01:26:20
Don't let your staff put you off.
01:26:23
It can be done and the director of the Richmond EEOC recently welcomed that move.
01:26:27
Three, mandate by resolution that the Human Rights Commission engage in one major study of systemic
01:26:32
Tell the HRC what you expect like they do in Austin.
01:26:41
Fourth, change the reporting structure of the Office of Human Rights to report directly to the mayor and city council.
01:26:48
It's clear that the current reporting structure is not leading to effective outcomes.
01:26:52
There's your systematic problem.
01:26:53
You can fix it right now.
01:26:56
Please stop wasting our time with all the reasons we can't make the Human Rights Commission effective.
01:27:01
We don't need more studies.
01:27:02
The Human Rights Commission, as it is structured, can't get itself out of its own hole that's been dug.
01:27:08
You need to fix it.
01:27:09
Remember, there are real people, real live people in this town suffering from actual discrimination.
01:27:15
You promised relief.
01:27:16
All it will take is to add 50K to this budget to accomplish this and a couple of simple resolutions that can happen thereafter.
01:27:22
I beg you, I was one of the few people that stood in that park and with other people that did a little thing this summer to protect us from outside people who are racist and discriminatory.
01:27:35
please stand with us to address the problems of racial discrimination that are inside the city.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:27:46
Thank you.
01:27:47
If I may, council if you'll indulge me for a second.
01:27:50
Mr. Heineckes, excuse me, Dr. Heineckes, emailed earlier today in all seriousness in regards to looking at the Austin, Texas model in which they had an individual who was hired to
01:28:04
It clearly stated, while they don't believe that Austin is racist, there's clearly institutional issues.
01:28:11
And they looked at the educational system, if I'm not mistaken, police, housing, and banking or loans, something of that nature.
01:28:20
I do think there's merit to what Mr. Honeke has been sending us, and others have been sending us, in regards to how we go about that.
01:28:30
I would like to explore the conversation
01:28:33
I do also agree that the original charge for the HRC is not, Human Rights Commission for those not aware, is not currently where they are right now.
01:28:46
So exploring that I would definitely be open to and if we originally hired an attorney
01:28:52
to be able to review some of these things.
01:28:55
Again, I think that point needs to be explored.
01:29:01
Mr. Jones, if you're comfortable as well as members of council, if we could just look at furthering and continuing the conversation to see how that will possibly happen.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
01:29:10
And I think a former budget work session, I don't know that you may not have been there.
01:29:13
We did.
01:29:14
We really want to explore and understand what are ways that even if we can't have all the information we need in the next few weeks, we're getting short on time, how can we set aside funds to allow us to go in this direction before waiting another budget cycle?
01:29:25
So that was the discussion I recall having, because we are going to be relying on input from other sources.
01:29:30
Is that where we landed, everybody?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:29:33
If I might add, Mayor Walker.
01:29:36
When this was first instituted, it was my understanding that the Human Rights Commission chair was going to be reporting to us directly with an annual report, at least.
01:29:49
And so I did not think that the process had deviated from that original charge.
01:29:56
And if it has, that is a concern.
01:29:59
Because when you think about the Places Design Task Force, the chair reports directly to us
01:30:05
I know with the Housing Advisory Committee there's been some tension about the Chair wanting to report, but then staff reporting and then trying to resolve the confusion there.
01:30:15
So I think we might do well, as Councillor Bellamy says, that we revisit this whole structure and look at it and see how well it's working, because it has been a while since we've gotten a report from the Chair
01:30:29
of the Human Rights Commission presented directly to us.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
01:30:31
We had an annual report last year.
01:30:33
We have an annual report every year.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:30:37
But this is a little bit different from just a report.
01:30:40
The Human Rights Commission would report to council in terms of duties.
01:30:49
Yes.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:30:49
If I may, my understanding was when it was first instituted, the council specifically did not want to tell the commission what to do because it wanted the commission to have the latitude to decide what it needed to do.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:31:01
Not necessarily what to do, but making sure that they are able to do what.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:31:06
Okay, that's fair.
01:31:07
I understand that.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:31:11
But from my perspective, I'm more so interested in the position that looks at and breaks down the data, analyzes the institutional issues, and then either creates strategies and or has the discussion with members of the community about certain things that are taking place.
01:31:33
And I would like for us to expound on that conversation if I could get some support or
01:31:41
and an agreeance from my colleagues.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:31:45
Are you, for example, like the disproportionate minority contact adult report?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:31:50
Right, right.
01:31:51
But I would be remiss if I didn't say that.
01:31:55
I was very intrigued by the article today.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:31:59
Yeah, we talk.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:32:00
Yeah.
01:32:01
Well, I know you talk.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:32:03
We talk every day.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:32:04
No.
01:32:04
Thank you, Van Walker.
01:32:06
But yeah, we can just
01:32:09
At our next budget meeting, I just would like for us to continue that conversation to see how we can merge the two or how we can actually get to that part.
01:32:19
I know Councilor Galvin and I have even talked about an equity office of sorts.
01:32:24
There's been a lot of conversation, so how do we get the train on that track to get it to where we need to be.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:32:31
Yeah, and that is what my concern has been.
01:32:34
So it's needed, but we need to make sure that when we are putting things like the HRC in place, the Human Rights Commission, that we are allowing them to do its work.
01:32:47
And whether it's uncomfortable and whether we don't really want to see the data,
01:32:51
and know the truth that it exposes that we need to create a system where we welcome that and work on changing it and that's what, you know, we had a very public, you know, our Facebook discussion about that and that's Walt I'm talking to.
01:33:10
Now, and that was my concern, like not just throwing money at it and seeing, but actually creating and letting it do what is necessary.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:33:19
Right, so the question, I don't know if this question would be for you, Mayor Walker, or even the rest of council, but maybe for Mr. Jones, what would be possible next steps for us to explore such?
01:33:32
And if you don't have the answer tonight, maybe we can answer at the next council meeting,
01:33:37
That's a lot to just throw at you.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
01:33:39
No, I think there are a couple of steps that could be taken.
01:33:42
One, we are anticipating having an annual report, I think it's the second meeting in April, from the Human Rights Commission, so that makes perfect sense, so that the Council would have a discussion with the Commission, one, about what they're doing, and then two, about any
01:33:56
I think Vice Mayor Hill has mentioned possibly putting some money aside as part of the discussion over the budget.
01:34:13
I've been considering over the course of the last couple of weeks or so and see how that fits into that.
01:34:20
You could also utilize other funding sources if we don't find the funds right now.
01:34:25
We have reserve funds that you could tap into as you go through this process and decide if you want to expand the Office of Human Rights and the Human Rights Commissions
01:34:35
So I'm less concerned about making sure that we have the exact amount of money over the course of the next couple of weeks as I am making sure that we get it right as part of a larger conversation with the public.
01:34:50
So I think finding some funding for that down the road is less of a concern than making sure that we have a good healthy discussion over this.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:34:58
Well, may I make a request, Mr. Jones and Madam Mayor?
01:35:02
Can we add this to the agenda for the second meeting in April or whenever for it to be coupled with whenever the HRC gives their report and then after their report we can have the discussion with their chair as well as amongst ourselves in regards to possibly moving forward in this possible direction especially if Vice Mayor Hill has already mentioned setting funds aside and as Mr. Jones has said the funding may not be the biggest issue it's more so getting it together.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
01:35:34
And one more request, Mr. Jones, that it would be great to be able to have some real clear understanding as to why the original attorney's position was not funded again.
01:35:48
and in my understanding, what are the qualifications that we need?
01:35:53
We need to understand what is the structure that we need to do the work that it's charged with.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
01:35:59
I think that will be largely dependent on what the council decides they want the charge to be if they want to change it significantly.
01:36:05
We had this conversation with council a couple of years ago during the budget process when we made some changes to the office based on the lack of
01:36:16
Thank you, that's all I have
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
01:36:40
Thank you, Mr. Honeke, as well as everyone else who's been emailing us in regards to this.
01:36:46
I also want you all to know when you send us emails, we do read them.
01:36:49
We may not always respond immediately, but we do read them all.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:36:56
All right.
01:36:57
We're going to break now for 10 minutes.
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Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
01:59:05
Calling the meeting to order.
01:59:08
So Ms. Rice, can you read the consent agenda?
01:59:24
And Mr. Jones is going to read Resolution D.
SPEAKER_00
01:59:31
Item A, minutes for March 5th, 2018.
01:59:34
Item B, an appropriation disproportionate minority contact in the Charlottesville Albemarle Criminal Justice System Research Project, $100,000, second of two readings.
01:59:42
Item C, an appropriation Charlottesville Fire Department Legacy Lending Machine Funds, $4,314.94, first of two readings.
01:59:50
Item D, a resolution residence on the job program funding request for FY18, $39,211, first of one reading.
01:59:57
Item E, a resolution safe routes to schools non-infrastructure grant application, $102,000, first of one reading.
02:00:04
And item F, an ordinance quick claim gas easement to be done at Adams Court, first attuned.
CONSENT AGENDA
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:00:11
Mayor Walker, just wanted to provide some background information on item D, which is the resident on the job program funding request
02:00:22
fiscal year 18, gets a request of $39,211.
02:00:27
This program is a joint effort between the Charlottesville Redevelopment and Housing Authority, the Public Housing
02:00:35
Association of Residents, the Department of Social Services and PVCC and Habitat for Humanity to provide on-the-job training for public housing residents as they're working on a number of units over in our public housing sites, various different sites, to upgrade those units to put them back online to be used.
02:00:55
There's a two-part request for this.
02:00:57
There's a request for $39,211 for the program to run from March 26 through June 30.
02:01:06
And then there's a second discussion that we need to have, not tonight, but as part of the budget process for an additional request of $106,400 to help run the program from July 1st of 2018 to March 25th of 2019.
02:01:21
So the request tonight is very specifically
02:01:23
for the allocation of $39,211 from the City Council's strategic initiatives account for fiscal year 18.
02:01:33
And the resolution reads residents on the job program funding request for fiscal year 2018, $39,211, now therefore be it resolved by the City Council of the City of Charlottesville, Virginia, the sum of $39,211 is hereby paid from currently appropriated funds
02:01:49
and the council's strategic initiatives account and the general fund to CRHA for the residents on the job program.
02:01:55
And that's fund 105, cost center 10110010000.
02:02:05
Outstanding.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:02:06
Thank you very much, Mr. Jones.
02:02:08
And just want to point out that it's because council loosened up a little bit of its standards on its own disbursement of funds and they were able to get this.
02:02:16
So I think everyone's really appreciative.
02:02:18
And I think it's an excellent, excellent combination of partners and ingenuity about how to use the resources of the city with the resources of nonprofits to train residents to be good construction carpenters and
02:02:34
and laborers, but also position them for jobs later on.
02:02:38
But it's also a way to get more units online.
02:02:40
So it's, again, I'm looking forward to hearing more details about part two of this and how we can support it moving forward.
02:02:49
But I'm looking at this as a pilot, which they can use to kind of work out all the kinks.
02:02:56
Someone's smiling over there.
02:02:57
But that's what pilots are for.
SPEAKER_06
02:03:04
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:03:06
Thank you.
02:03:08
All right.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:03:09
Ms. Hill is distracting me.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:03:12
Oh, she really tells a lot of jokes.
02:03:18
Are there any questions?
02:03:21
Someone want to make a motion?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:03:23
So moved.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:03:24
Second.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:03:27
A motion to approve the consent agenda.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:03:39
And Mayor Walker, I think Ms. Rice should go ahead and announce those Board and Commission members.
02:03:47
This evening, City Council approved the following to fill three vacancies at large on our Planning Commission.
02:03:54
To fill an immediate vacancy, Lyle Sola-Yates, and for two vacancies effective on June 1st, Hosea Mitchell and Hunter Smith.
02:04:03
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:04:07
Okay.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:04:08
I need a second and a vote.
02:04:11
I second that.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:04:23
Now we have our first public hearing on the fiscal year 2019 tax rate.
02:04:37
and Mr. Jones will present.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:04:40
Thank you, Mayor Walker.
02:04:42
So a couple of things I'll be presenting on this evening.
02:04:44
The tax rate for all of our taxes at this point, real estate, our lodging, our meals tax, personal property, those are all remaining the same as last year.
02:04:58
So we're not proposing any changes at this point to any of those tax rates.
02:05:04
Folks can speak on that tonight as part of the public hearing.
02:05:08
I'm also presenting on the budget.
02:05:10
I am doing a PowerPoint presentation.
02:05:12
If council would like to find your positions elsewhere, if you want to move, and we'll go ahead and start that PowerPoint right now.
02:05:20
So good evening everyone, it's my pleasure to present once again the proposed budget for fiscal year 19.
02:05:27
Major themes for this year, strong support once again for our city schools, preserving and enhancing quality services, affordable housing investment, focus on organizational efficiencies, aligning with our strategic plan and council priorities, maintaining the real estate tax rate at 95 cents per $100 of assessed value.
02:05:45
So you can see here, you see where we've gone up incrementally over the course of the last six or seven years coming out of the recession.
02:05:53
And our budget for fiscal year 19 as it stands at the moment is $179 million, $342,119.
02:05:59
That's a 4.48% increase from fiscal year 18.
02:06:14
So just a quick look at where our revenues are derived from.
02:06:17
Our local taxes make up nearly 70% of the revenues, followed by our intergovernmental revenue at 8.5%, charges for services at 7.1%, the city county revenue sharing at 6%.
02:06:36
On the expenditure side, our largest expenditure is to our schools.
02:06:39
Nearly 33% goes to schools.
02:06:42
25% to public safety and justice, 17 almost 18% to healthy families and community, 8.7% to infrastructure and transportation, and 3.4% to management, 5.2% to our debt service payment that we make every year to help pay for our bonds.
02:07:02
Council priorities, affordable housing is going up to $3.4 million in the CIP for next fiscal year.
02:07:10
We also have a half a million dollars in the CIP for public housing redevelopment and currently $70,000 in new funding to help with the CHAP program.
02:07:19
and we did take a look at, we had a discussion with the council at the last work session to look at it from an inflationary standpoint, from an assessment standpoint.
02:07:29
We went back, we looked at that and in fact what we are proposing is greater than what would have been derived from an increase from a
02:07:38
an assessment equating with the assessments going up so that doesn't mean that council couldn't increase this more it's just that was a request that we had from council to take a look at that and it's actually lower than what we are proposing in our in our budget right now and I know that we'll have some more discussion with City Council about possibly increasing that over the course of the next couple of weeks.
02:07:59
Another council priority is race and equity.
02:08:02
We have $500,000 included in the City Council's Strategic Initiatives Fund for the African American Heritage Center at the Jefferson School.
02:08:09
That's the second year of that funding.
02:08:12
Last year, or this current fiscal year that we're in right now, we had a grant of $450,000 to the Heritage Center.
02:08:19
and this completes the two-year commitment at another half million dollars.
02:08:24
As we've mentioned before, $38,000 is budgeted for the Office of Human Rights to convert an existing community outreach position to full-time status and this is in addition to a million dollars that the City Council set aside as part of an equity package as part of the year-end discussion back in December.
02:08:41
So a significant amount of money is going towards race and equity issues here in the city.
02:08:46
Workforce development and economic development, we have $72,000 in this budget for a new minority business coordinator's position to help with folks who are interested in starting businesses here in the city or growing their businesses.
02:09:00
We also have a close to $90,000 for the downtown job center and over $120,000 for the summer youth community attention internship program.
02:09:14
Safety and Security is another issue.
02:09:16
We have $94,000 in our CIP for downtown pedestrian intersection lighting.
02:09:20
And then, of course, we have the money that's been set aside for EMS vehicle transport services this year.
02:09:27
It is, in its first year, first fiscal year, full fiscal year would be 19 at a little over a million dollars on the expenditure side, and we expect to generate about $1.4 million in revenue.
02:09:42
Funding for our schools, total operating contribution of $54 million in fiscal year 19.
02:09:46
That's an increase of $2.7 million, 5.2% increase, which is the largest single increase in our general fund budget.
02:09:54
And then we're providing, in addition to the small cap capital improvement program that they have, we're also providing an additional million dollars per year for the next five years for school strategic improvements.
02:10:08
Compensation and benefits, we are proposing a 3% salary increase to begin on July 1st.
02:10:14
That equates to about $1.4 million in our budget and new money.
02:10:19
Health care costs at 3.5% per employee, it's a $270,000 increase in our contribution.
02:10:28
This fully funds the city's requirement towards its retirement fund of $9.4 million.
02:10:32
and then we have compression adjustments as part of this fiscal year 18 budget as a result of the fiscal year 18 living wage increases.
02:10:42
We have about $160,000 in here to help offset that.
02:10:46
And in addition to that, we've been having some discussions about the living wage and increasing that.
02:10:51
And it looks like in order to do what we had talked about at last week's work session to get to 1440 for our living wage, it would cost us about $115,000 to do that.
02:11:03
And that'll be part of the discussions we have over the course of the next couple of weeks as well.
02:11:08
City Council's strategic initiatives, we've set aside $100,000 in the City Council's strategic initiatives fund to be used for a pilot participatory budgeting initiative.
02:11:18
$225,000 to fund two new positions and to reclassify two positions within the City Council's office.
02:11:27
and then on our capital improvement side, I mentioned earlier the affordable housing fund and the public housing redevelopment.
02:11:34
All together for a school's capital improvements, it's $2.9 million.
02:11:39
West Main Street improvements project, another $3.5 million to that project.
02:11:44
$1.3 million towards undergrounding of utilities.
02:11:47
We're increasing our new sidewalk and sidewalk repair fund.
02:11:51
That's $804,000.
02:11:54
Tonsil Park Master Plan implementation, $750,000 towards that.
02:11:59
$50,000 to the Cultural Landscape Study, another $250,000 to assist us with the SIA implementation.
02:12:07
$150,000 towards economic development, $1.3 million to help purchase new fire replacement apparatus.
02:12:17
And then as I mentioned before, $94,000 for the downtown pedestrian light, intersection lighting.
02:12:24
So here are some of the amendments since we originally had discussions with city council about this.
02:12:30
We're decreasing the revenues by $79,000 and this is part of the strategic initiatives fund or arts coordination.
02:12:39
There was some discussion about that on Thursday night.
02:12:41
I'm sure that will come up again with the city council over the course of the next two weeks.
02:12:45
We have made some adjustments on the revenue side on our taxes.
PUBLIC HEARING: City Manager's Proposed FY 2019 Budget
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:12:49
We believe that we'll be pulling in a little over $300,000 more on the sales tax that we'd anticipated a couple of months ago and another $23,000 or so on the meals tax.
02:13:02
And then we have a transfer on the debt service to the good of $5,700.
02:13:08
So the total revenue of amendments equal about $252,000.
02:13:15
On the expenditure side, there was a discussion the other day about decreasing the expenditures on the arts coordination and planning.
02:13:23
There was a movement to look for other sources to help fund that.
02:13:27
That would be $200,000.
02:13:28
We, as I mentioned before, the living wage, if we were to implement that and go to $1440 per hour,
02:13:36
That would be close to $115,000.
02:13:38
And then there's some departmental utility increases that we've learned of in the last couple of weeks that equate to about $100,000.
02:13:49
These are some of the issues we spoke to the City Council about.
02:13:53
The KHIP stipend increase, that was a discussion we had.
02:13:56
There was support from the Council to increase that to close to $44,000 in new spending for the stipends.
02:14:04
And then the KHIP capacity increase, that's still yet to be determined.
02:14:07
We said we'd continue to have that discussion with the Council to add a number of positions there.
02:14:14
There's a slight adjustment to the Public Defender's Office of $517
02:14:19
and then meals tax, as I mentioned before, there's a transfer to the debt service fund.
02:14:24
So the expenditure amendment is about $64,000.
02:14:26
So all together right now, the budget surplus factoring in those increases would be about $187,590.
02:14:40
and so there was one expenditure change on the CIP that was the Meadow Creek Valley Trail Railroad Tunnel Design.
02:14:50
We talked about that on Thursday night and council voted to support that at $50,000 and so we're decreasing expenditures from the Citywide IT Strategic Infrastructure Fund as well and that gets us even there by offsetting that.
02:15:09
So budget calendar, we have a meeting coming up on the 28th, our community budget forum at 6 p.m. at City Space.
02:15:16
It's an opportunity for the public to come and talk about any of these budget items or new budget items that they want to bring up for council to consider.
02:15:24
And then the very next night, work session at city space from five to seven.
02:15:28
It will focus primarily on the outside and nonprofit agencies, but I'm sure there'll be other issues that council will want to address that evening.
02:15:35
Then on April 2nd, here in the city council chambers, we'll have the second public hearing on the budget.
02:15:40
This is, at that point, the city council's budget for consideration.
02:15:44
And then we will
02:15:46
have a work session if necessary on April 5th to wrap things up from 5 to 7 at City Space and then the Council will approve the budget on April 10th at 5.30 in the Second Floor Conference Room here in City Hall.
02:16:00
And if folks want more information on our budget, they can go to our website at charlottesville.org slash budget.
02:16:06
We also have copies of the proposed budget in the City Manager's Office here in City Hall and also at the libraries, Central Library and the Gordon Avenue Libraries as well.
02:16:16
With that, I will answer any questions and then we'll move on to the public hearing.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:16:25
Mr. Jones, if I may, I just want to make a correction for the public because I had raised the issue of how much the budget had increased from 2011 to 2019.
02:16:36
And I realized that I had just recently realized that there was an error that
02:16:43
The increase is not as great as I had thought it was, which is very good news to me.
02:16:48
And so instead of a 42% differential between 2011 to 2019, it's actually 27% differential.
02:16:59
What was interesting, though, is to see that the first year I looked at the city manager's letter, it highlighted the operating budget and then the subsequent years highlighted the general fund budget.
02:17:15
And I was confused about that.
02:17:17
And I'm wondering if you could distinguish between the two so the public knows the difference as well.
02:17:22
But as I understand it, in 2011, there was
02:17:26
some economic downturn money that was not included in the operating budget that was included in the general fund budget.
02:17:33
and now my numbers are comparing apples with apples, but I think if you could just distinguish between general fund and operating budget, it would help me and it might help the public too.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:17:44
Sure.
02:17:45
Well, with the operating budget is the non-capital budget and general fund covers both the capital budget and the operating.
02:17:53
Okay, it's combined.
02:17:54
And then what you're referring to back in
02:17:57
2011-2012, during that time period, we did, in a couple of years, we used some one-time money to help, especially with the schools, who were going through difficult times because of the state budget.
02:18:11
So there's some of that difference there.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:18:13
Okay.
02:18:14
Thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:18:17
I have a question.
02:18:22
So, Mr. Jones, thank you for the thorough report.
02:18:25
I also was very happy to see
02:18:27
Many of the items from the equity package last year in the budget this year, as well as some of the things we expounded on.
02:18:33
I did have a question about the CHAP program and the grants.
02:18:37
For those who don't know, it's essentially the assistance for tax relief, some for the elderly and other individuals who fall below certain income levels.
02:18:49
Was that number, between the $450 and $650, was that the max in which we could get to?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:18:56
No, we can go higher.
02:18:57
If council wants to go higher, you can do that.
02:18:59
That's our local program.
02:19:02
There's a state program where we do have some limits that we operate under.
02:19:06
But our local program, you can increase the grants if you choose to do so.
02:19:10
And there was a discussion on Thursday night about whether or not we should tie it to assessments or inflation, that type of thing.
02:19:19
And we went back and looked at, going back to 2006 and then again in 2009, we saw that the increase was actually
02:19:26
What we're proposing is actually larger than the increase would have been if we were relying exclusively on the assessment.
02:19:31
Over time.
02:19:32
Over time, that's right.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:19:34
OK. OK.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:19:37
But if council, and this is part of the discussion on Thursday night, if council is interested in increasing those grants, you certainly could do that.
02:19:45
But we need to have that discussion as part of finishing up the budget.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:19:49
Right.
02:19:50
One of the things I'm just looking at, if I'm not mistaken, there was a chart that Mayor Walker
02:19:54
sent out that had somewhat of a breakdown and then I saw Ms. Bogart's email earlier today but when we look at the income level specifically from zero thousand, zero thousand, from zero to ten thousand and then even when you look at the twenty thousand dollar threshold we see that that seemed to be the bulk of the individuals who were taking advantage of the program and how we can provide them
02:20:21
with additional help in the event that's needed because I'm anticipating we will have more people take advantage of this because I know our new communications director is doing a phenomenal job of getting the words out about some of these programs and whatnot and just want to make sure not only that we're prepared for the influx of individuals who will be taking advantage of the program
02:20:45
but also if there is a way for us to, I would like to see us explore going higher because I do think, specifically again, if an individual is between the zero and twenty thousand dollar threshold, more than likely you're thinking about an elderly person who may just be utilizing
02:21:04
a Social Security check or they have a fixed income of sorts and we again we just want to make sure that they're getting what they need so that we can truly be a world-class city and I know that creates more debt to a certain extent or that's a larger expense but I'd definitely be in favor of us exploring that option if there's support.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:21:26
You're saying specifically for 0 to 25?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:21:28
I think
02:21:30
Up to the limit, the $50,000.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:21:37
And there's also a clause that if individuals are delinquent on taxes, I'm interested in exploring how we can, one, remove that and assist.
02:21:50
Because those individuals who can't pay them would need the help the most.
02:21:57
So did you all?
02:21:58
If you're delinquent on your taxes, you don't qualify.
02:22:01
And I know there was some conversation about that some individuals may have been helped in the past.
02:22:07
But I just think that we need to explore removing that this would be one of the ways that could help them pay and no longer be delinquent on their taxes.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:22:21
Right.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:22:22
So if I can ask, that would be like a rule change of the policy and I guess we'd need to know if that's something that is against the state.
02:22:34
So that was our local program.
02:22:35
Okay, great.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:22:36
So Ms. Galvin, would it be a policy amendment?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:22:39
It sounds like it would be.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:22:41
Yes, okay.
02:22:43
And Ms. Robertson, we're in our purview to be able to do so?
SPEAKER_26
02:22:49
Yes, in connection with the Commissioner of Revenue who manages the program but because it is a local program you all can make some changes to your funding strategies and the conditions that you would allow the grant to be given under.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:23:06
And we can get some information about how many households are affected, what that currently looks like, and what possibly we could put in place to assist there.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:23:20
Would this by any chance be part of the housing needs assessment study?
02:23:25
Would we be getting any of this information through that process?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:23:28
I'm not sure, but we can ask.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:23:30
And again, that would be great when we get the results of that study, and then we could tee up
02:23:37
and on an agenda doing the amendment to the policies, but we, Mayor Walker, you're absolutely right.
02:23:42
We need to know the information to know to what extent we need to change the policy.
02:23:47
It may be more than just changing that one rule.
02:23:50
There may be other things we need to change, but it would be great if we get, you know, more bang for our buck on the housing needs assessment.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:23:59
That's a great point, Ms. Galvin.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:24:08
Nice to see that we've got a surplus.
02:24:16
We still have a laundry list of things that we wrote.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:24:18
I know, but it's nice to see it now.
02:24:21
Leslie's going to have a heart attack over there.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:24:23
Don't be a Debbie Downer, Ms. Hill.
02:24:27
I'm there.
02:24:27
Debbie Downer.
02:24:28
You're not alone.
SPEAKER_21
02:24:29
Oh, thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:24:30
Thank you.
02:24:30
Well, I'm with you, Ms. Galvin.
02:24:32
And Ms. Grasius.
02:24:33
Sorry, we're new.
02:24:34
Take the air right out of the- Eternal optimist.
02:24:36
Yeah, they just took all of the good details.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:24:38
Usually, the other way around, the ones that have been on here longer are the ones that are the pessimists.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:24:43
All right, so where's my list?
02:24:50
All right, so questions?
02:24:53
Public hearing?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:24:54
Public hearing on the tax rate.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:24:59
You just did both.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:25:00
I did the presentation.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:25:01
All right, so the public hearing on the tax rate.
02:25:04
We're going to start that.
02:25:05
Michael Payne.
Michael Payne
02:25:15
Michael Payne.
02:25:18
I just wanted to interject something into the tax debate.
02:25:21
I think it's a conversation Mayor Walker started the other week with the issue of Brandon Avenue.
02:25:26
And that is the role UVA plays in our revenue.
02:25:30
And I think that's really important to get into the conversation about tax revenue.
02:25:34
The University of Virginia at the summit this weekend has brought up that the University of Virginia
02:25:41
doesn't pay property taxes to the city, it's exempt, and that comes out to about 4.3 million dollars of lost revenue for the city each year.
02:25:51
And this is of course when UVA
02:25:57
Demands things from the city like with Brandon Avenue, demanding land for free from the city, not paying its employees a living wage, not paying its contracted employees a living wage.
02:26:07
And I think we as the public have some claim of ownership over some of what the EPA produces because
02:26:14
UVA only exists because of substantial public investment in addition of course to UVA's original sin of being built by 5,000 slaves.
02:26:23
I think this gives the public an entitlement to claim some of UVA's almost 9 billion dollar endowment.
02:26:32
UVA is a significant contributor to rising property values.
02:26:36
It's not building student housing.
02:26:38
There's luxury student housing that's being built that's removing land that could be used for affordable housing, displacing longtime local residents.
02:26:46
And again, all we're asking for is $4.3 million, or maybe $4 to $6 million, when we're already supporting the university with infrastructure projects it doesn't contribute to,
02:27:02
public transit projects it's not contributing to out of an almost 9 billion dollar endowment.
02:27:09
This is a rounding error in their endowment.
02:27:12
And yet, to even, when Mayor Walker just asks a simple question of how much does Brandon Avenue work, all of a sudden that's a conversation they don't want to have.
02:27:22
$4 million out of their $9 billion endowment.
02:27:28
And I just think it's really important for us to start to put the pressure on UVA.
02:27:32
This isn't OK.
02:27:33
They have to pay their fair share when they're benefiting from our public investments into the city.
02:27:40
And I think that could help us a lot when we're looking at our revenue picture.
SPEAKER_05
02:27:51
Hi, I'm Travis Wilburn, 13 year resident of Ridge Street.
02:28:04
I was going to speak to you guys on the lodging tax and clearly that's changed since then.
02:28:11
First I want to say thank you for your service because it is truly a service to this community.
02:28:15
I am in the unique position of being able to represent interests throughout the city and the county, both in tourism and hospitality, meaning jobs of all different individuals, big and small.
02:28:29
and I have had to be in the position since August essentially of interviewing various businesses that have been impacted by the August events in which we have seen a severe economic impact that has affected almost everybody across the board.
02:28:47
And so what I would like to say is thank you for not raising that tax.
02:28:51
I do think that there is a time and place to do that and that it could actually be drastically impactful to affordable housing.
02:28:59
But we're not quite there yet.
02:29:02
There are numerous businesses that have suffered.
02:29:05
We have forecasted still for the future of 2018 some more suffering.
02:29:10
And so what I would like to do is make myself available and also help provide other resources to individual counselors where you could have that information so you could decide in the future when and if to raise that lodging tax.
02:29:23
Thank you so much.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:29:26
And we haven't raised it yet, but it hasn't been a final decision.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:29:32
Joan Fenton.
SPEAKER_20
02:29:41
I'm Joan Fenton.
02:29:42
I live at 3705 Country Lane.
02:29:45
Before I talk, I'd like to say that I was totally unaware till this evening when I opened an email about that handout that was given at the courthouse.
02:29:56
And I think it was not a good thing for anybody to do.
02:30:03
I, for one, was thrilled when DeAndre Harris was found not guilty.
02:30:10
I thought it was appropriate for people to be celebrating and marching on the mall.
02:30:15
And I don't think that 95% of the businesses would support that notice being handed out to people.
02:30:21
And so perhaps to condemn everybody because of what one person did, I don't think is appropriate.
02:30:27
On the issue of the tax going up on hotels, I think that there hasn't been adequate time for people to respond that are deeply affected by this.
02:30:39
and I would hope you would bring in some of the people that do run hotels and see what they think that impact would be.
02:30:46
And on what would be probably fairly unpopular to say is if you had approved the Dewberry Hotel, that amount of income would be probably triple what that hotel tax is going to be and would have a simpler way of providing far more funding that could go into affordable housing
02:31:05
I know this isn't the council that turned that down, but that might be a good alternative for that tax increase.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:31:12
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01
02:31:30
Good evening, Councillors, Colette Hall, 101 Robertson Lane in the city.
02:31:37
It has been rumored in the daily newspaper and TV and radio news that the council will most likely not vote to vote an increase in the tax rate for the fiscal year budget of 2019.
02:31:50
And then I heard the city manager say you would not increase that.
02:31:55
However, this does not mean that city residents will not be paying increased real estate taxes.
02:32:04
This article in the Daily Progress on February 1, 2018, headlined Average Property Assessments Up 5.5%.
02:32:16
However, as usual, my house goes up more than the average residential assessment.
02:32:23
This year, it's going up 6.5%.
02:32:27
My assessment has gone up 15 years out of the past 20 years.
02:32:33
My husband and I bought our current home in 1997, and in 1998, the real estate assessment was $94,100.
02:32:43
Now, 20 years later, it is assessed at $487,300, just under half a million.
02:32:53
This is a $393,200 increase or a 418% increase in our real estate taxes.
02:33:05
Where is this just?
02:33:06
Where is the equality and equity in this?
02:33:10
New and ugly buildings are going up continually.
02:33:15
Several more will be functional this year and next.
02:33:19
In many areas of the city, townhouses and PUDs are spreading like wild onions.
02:33:26
And yet the longtime residential owner is paying out of proportion to the amount of increased revenue from this new growth.
02:33:35
My husband and I would move out of the city except that we have made our house handicap accessible for his wheelchair.
02:33:43
Unfortunately, our next move will be to an assisted care facility.
02:33:48
Whatever is decided, the taxpayers of this city should not be burdened with a raise in real estate taxes or, for that matter, assessments.
02:33:58
or an increase in the tax rate, especially not when the city collects millions of dollars in surplus, which it has now managed to turn into a deficit.
02:34:08
Thank God the Commonwealth requires municipalities to have a yearly balanced budget.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:34:14
Thank you.
02:34:17
Thank you.
02:34:21
Is there anyone else that would like to speak on the tax rate?
02:34:27
Tax rate or budget overall?
SPEAKER_24
02:34:29
Budget overall.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:34:30
OK, so that's next.
02:34:31
OK. OK. Ethan Brown, Olympic City.
SPEAKER_40
02:34:43
Increase the lodging rate tax.
02:34:46
Just do it.
02:34:47
These hotels are mainly here for people from out of town.
02:34:50
They're going to be super wealthy.
02:34:52
They're going to be staying at all these new boutique hotels that you all love, or at least some of you love.
02:34:57
Just increase it.
02:34:58
This is more of a progressive tax.
02:35:01
It's going to impact the wealthy more than the people who actually live here, as was just mentioned.
02:35:05
So please, yeah, increase the lodging tax.
02:35:09
Oh, you know what?
02:35:10
I'm going to add.
02:35:12
Mr. Jones, I don't know if this is correct or not, but I think you've said in the past when it has increased, it didn't significantly affect lodging rates in the city.
02:35:20
Again, if this is true, just increase the tax rate.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:35:27
Anyone else wish to speak on the tax rate?
02:35:33
All right, council.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:35:38
Discussion?
02:35:39
Oh, sorry.
02:35:39
No, ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:35:41
Tax rate comments.
02:35:45
All right.
02:35:48
Close the public hearing.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:35:51
Question before you close.
02:35:52
I got it before you close.
02:35:54
How much additional revenue would we net for a one cent increase in the lodging tax?
02:35:59
750,000.
02:36:01
750,000?
02:36:02
Somewhere in that range.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:36:10
Any other comments?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:36:15
Where are we in regards to rankings throughout the Commonwealth?
02:36:24
We're right about in the middle right now.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:36:26
If we went up, we'd be in the upper third.
02:36:32
If you're talking about in terms of the overall rate, it would go up to 8%.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:36:36
What are the other cities in the upper third?
02:36:40
We provided that information to counsel on it.
02:36:43
I'll get it.
02:36:44
Okay, thank you.
02:36:46
Nothing else, I promise.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:36:51
Any other comments?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:36:52
No more comments from the floor.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:36:56
All right, so we're going to close the public hearing on the tax rate.
02:37:01
and now open the public hearing on the fiscal year 2019 budget.
02:37:12
Brooks Wellman.
SPEAKER_23
02:37:22
Hey, good evening.
02:37:23
My name is Brooks Wellman and I'm here on behalf of Lighthouse Studio.
02:37:27
We're located at 220
02:37:29
West Market Street in the old Vinegar Hill Theater.
02:37:32
Lighthouse is grateful that the city's fiscal year 17 budget includes just over $8,000 to fund our free and reduced cost filmmaking workshops for underserved students ages 8 to 18 in Charlottesville.
02:37:46
Tonight we're asking you to consider initial funding for our community programming at Vinegar Hill Theater based on ABRT's recommendation for funding at the solid level.
02:37:56
We requested $30,000 for fiscal year 19, and there's no money in the budget for our programming at Vinegar Hill.
02:38:03
Lighthouse Studios' Vinegar Hill Theater community programs offer residents of Charlottesville and Albemarle unique film screenings and events, support local artists and nonprofits, and increase tax revenues by drawing more than 4,500 people to the downtown mall each year.
02:38:19
Our community programming addresses Charlottesville's strategic objectives to promote tourism,
02:38:24
and to intentionally address issues of race and equity in two major ways.
02:38:29
First, we successfully draw people to the downtown mall where they stay to shop and eat before and after our events.
02:38:35
Second, our screenings intentionally address race and equity in both the content of the films we show and the audiences we draw to them.
02:38:43
So we primarily ensure diversity by first screening professional films created nationally and internationally that explore race and ethnicity and immigration
02:38:54
and we bring the film's creators to the theater to discuss them.
02:38:57
So an example of this was the Freedom Writers documentary where we brought Freedom Writers to come and talk about their experience.
02:39:04
And then the second is by screening youth created films that are made by Lighthouse students in our community programs that directly explore, again, race, ethnicity, immigration,
02:39:15
An example of this is a couple of internationally award-winning documentary shorts our students made about the statues both in the summer of 2015, so a year ahead of last summer's violence, and then coming back with a 360-degree virtual reality film they made, featuring Tanisha Hudson, about the events as well.
02:39:38
When Lighthouse purchased Vinegar Hill Theater in 2015, it sat empty for two years.
02:39:43
and the owner wanted to sell to someone who would retain the cinema theater for the community by purchasing and renovating the space at the very entrance to the downtown mall.
02:39:53
We've not only made a formerly disused space, a busy destination for film events, but have also given it new life as a home to our workshops for more than 1200 students from the community each year.
02:40:04
Now more than ever, our community needs these spaces to come together and discuss issues around race and equity in terms of the arts.
02:40:13
I appreciate your time and thank you for considering adding funding to the budget for fiscal year 19.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:40:20
Thank you.
02:40:24
Dana Monroe?
02:40:30
I know that.
02:40:33
Dana Monroe?
02:40:34
No.
02:40:37
Katie Hanson?
SPEAKER_36
02:40:45
Good evening.
02:40:57
I'm Katie Hanson.
02:40:58
I live in the Woolen Mills neighborhood of Charlottesville and I'm the development manager at the Music Resource Center located on Ridge Street in the historic Mount Zion Baptist Church.
02:41:09
The Music Resource Center, oh I have more packets, I didn't pick them all up.
02:41:13
The Music Resource Center is in its 23rd year providing after school supervision and music education to the middle and high school students of the Charlottesville area.
02:41:24
We received funding from the city of Charlottesville until fiscal year 13, then again in fiscal year 17.
02:41:30
This year we requested $29,678 for general operations, but we were not included in the city budget for 2019.
02:41:41
Our program works to use the universal language of music to foster positive relationships with our members and teach them skills like creative self-expression and goal setting.
02:41:49
On average, we serve approximately 186 through 12th graders per year, 90 to 100 of which are from the city of Charlottesville.
02:41:57
Approximately 75 of these members from the city come from low income families.
02:42:02
46% live in a one parent household with grandparents or in foster care.
02:42:07
And our membership base shows greater racial diversity than the city of Charlottesville itself according to census data.
02:42:13
Additionally, according to our most recent positive youth development survey of our members, 76% feel strongly that they are safe at our center as opposed to only 18% who said they feel strongly that they are safe at their school.
02:42:29
Please see your packets for more information about these statistics as well as an email from the mother of one of our members.
02:42:34
I believe she sent it to you directly, but we were so moved by it we wanted to print it out and make sure.
02:42:41
The MRC aligns with the city of Charlottesville's strategic objectives C1 and C2, prepare students for academic and vocational success, and prepare students for the workforce.
02:42:50
To this end, 100% of our city 12th graders last year graduated on time.
02:42:56
compared to 89.6% of Charlottesville 12th graders overall.
02:43:00
In addition to our graduation rates, we also work hard to ensure that our members are ready for the workforce.
02:43:06
We have in place a new formal goal setting program wherein our members actively set short or long term goals related to their development as musicians, dancers, or audio engineers, then work to achieve them in a timely manner with the support of a staff or volunteer mentor.
02:43:22
These goals not only build their skills for jobs in the music industry itself, but build important transferable skills like time management, creativity, and follow through, and give our members a sense of self-efficacy.
02:43:34
To respond briefly to one of the comments on the FY19 budget recommendation from the AVRT,
02:43:39
The 50 city youth we anticipate serving in fiscal year 19 refers to members who come from multiple hours, multiple times per week for an extended period of time.
02:43:48
Due to the drop-in nature of our facility, these numbers do not reflect the full extent of our membership nor the full extent of adolescents who truly benefit from our services.
02:43:59
Thank you for your time and we urge you to show the city's support for our program through funding for the 2019 fiscal year.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:44:04
Thank you.
02:44:10
Michael Payne
Michael Payne
02:44:17
I promise it's the last time.
02:44:20
I think there are a lot of good things in the budget.
02:44:26
New investments in affordable housing, more money to the Jefferson School, increasing the wage for summer internships to $8 an hour from $5 an hour.
02:44:35
So I think we are moving in a positive direction, but I think we're just not quite there yet.
02:44:39
I don't think there's enough
02:44:40
We have a vision to the budget in terms of where the investments we're making, where are they going to take us in 20, 30, 40 years?
02:44:48
With the job internship program, could we guarantee an internship to every student?
02:44:54
Who wants one locally?
02:44:56
Could we tie job internship programs into local worker cooperatives for rehabbing properties?
02:45:02
Look at taking the pilot project for rehabbing homes to ways to use economic development money in the CIP to have that become a permanent worker co-op.
02:45:11
To have these internships tied to worker local recycling co-ops.
02:45:16
Local co-ops for green retrofitting of homes.
02:45:20
in order to give students internships, experience in what it means to manage a local co-op, what a local economic development model looks like for them to get direct experience in that, to have the community land trust looking at having full-time community organizers to make it a permanent, proactive part of the community.
02:45:39
To have economic development money and the capital improvement projects money, go to co-ops, go to developing minority owned local businesses.
02:45:49
To change procurement policies to favor local worker co-ops and locally owned minority owned businesses.
02:45:57
To explore investing in local community gardens and give students in elementary and middle school direct experience in managing community gardens.
02:46:07
to invest in creating a community development corporation owned and controlled by local residents, particularly residents from low wealth and historically marginalized communities, to put them in the driver's seat of local development so they have control over what development projects there are.
02:46:28
to expand the Human Rights Commission to a place where it can do equity impact studies on all major policies.
02:46:34
So we know if a major development project is happening, what's the history of that area?
02:46:39
What are the population trends?
02:46:40
What are the trends in terms of the area mean income there?
02:46:43
Who's being displaced?
02:46:46
To pay for service on local boards and commissions, to get new residents involved who historically have not been involved,
02:46:53
to expand participatory budgeting to have community organizers to proactively bring new people into the political process, recognizing that participatory budgeting can train new people to give them the skills and experience to serve on the Planning Commission, to serve on local boards and commissions.
02:47:10
Knowing that in 20, 30, 40 years, there's going to be climate change.
02:47:13
There's going to be accelerating the affordable housing crisis.
02:47:17
The economic model of the Trump administration is going to cause recession.
02:47:21
So the investments we make now can be small, but if we have a vision, we can prepare ourselves for what's going to come in 20 or 30 years and lay forward a new vision of what municipal government looks like in the Trump era.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:47:42
I'm Jessica Maslany.
SPEAKER_35
02:47:56
Award right here.
02:47:58
So good evening.
02:47:59
My name is Jessica Maslany.
02:48:01
I'm here tonight wearing two hats.
02:48:02
I'm the executive director at the Piedmont Family YMCA, here representing the YMCA Child Care Center at the Jefferson School City Center.
02:48:08
And I'm also here as a parent with two children who've gone through the YMCA Child Care Program.
02:48:13
As the executive director, the YMCA has submitted an application through the ABRT, which included a $30,000 request to Albemarle County and a $40,000 request to the city of Charlottesville for the YMCA Child Care Program, which is a full day licensed child care program
02:48:26
that offer for six weeks through pre-K. We offer high quality early childhood education and school readiness program with a mixed delivery model of subsidy assistance and self-paid participants.
02:48:37
We are licensed for 105 children and serve on average 200 children each year.
02:48:41
Seventy-five percent of the children in our care receive a subsidy to attend and 61 percent are on free and reduced lunch.
02:48:47
The Y believes that all children, not just those who can afford it, should have access to quality early childhood education and we support parents by allowing them to work.
02:48:55
knowing that their children are in a safe and stimulating environment.
02:48:58
As identified by the agency budget review team, the YMCA child care program is strongly aligned with the city's priorities to prepare students for academic and vocational success and improve community health and safety outcomes by connecting residents with effective resources.
02:49:12
We submitted an application through the agency budget review team and they gave us a solid rating stating that the applicant makes a strong case for need and indicates good outreach and engagement activities.
02:49:21
The team further recommended initial funding at a solid level.
02:49:25
We urge you to consider including the YMCA child care program in the ABRT funding for fiscal year 19.
02:49:30
As a parent, my son Andrew is over here.
02:49:33
He's age seven.
02:49:34
He attended the YMCA program, graduating in 2016, and is currently at Brownsville Elementary School, absolutely thriving.
02:49:41
My daughter here, age Megan, is age five.
02:49:44
She's currently in the pre-K classroom at the child care center, and she's been there since she was 10 weeks old.
02:49:49
She was ready to start kindergarten next fall because of the preparation at the Y.
02:49:53
So as a mom, I would have struggled to work outside of the home if it wasn't for the Y's child care program.
02:49:58
The Y is a very family-friendly organization and is truly a support network that comes alongside us as parents, oftentimes spending more waking hours than we do with our kids.
02:50:07
We nurture all children to reach their full potential.
02:50:09
As a parent, I also urge you to consider including the YMCA child care program in the ABRT funding, which will give financial stability and
02:50:16
needed to continue to offer a highly subsidized program to Charlottesville families.
Tanesha Hudson
02:50:20
Is that yours?
02:50:31
OK.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:50:31
Thank you for your time.
02:50:32
Eleanor Von Aitchen?
02:50:35
Aiken.
02:50:35
Aiken.
SPEAKER_07
02:50:43
Hi, thank you.
02:50:43
My name is Eleanor Von Aiken, and my family has been part of the YMCA child care program for almost two years, but we felt that they have been part of our lives for much longer.
02:50:51
Our son Waylon calls his teacher, Mr. Jonathan, his school daddy, and Miss Alyssa, his school mommy.
02:50:59
He has sisters and brothers and cousins and aunts from all walks of life, and we are super proud of him, and it's all because of the Y.
02:51:09
Our family is way beyond our home.
02:51:11
The staff and other members have become part of our family.
02:51:15
We wouldn't have childcare if it wasn't for the Y.
02:51:17
My husband and I have struggled unbelievably in the last few years.
02:51:22
Not even the public school system could help us.
02:51:25
But the Y stood up and they gave us a chance.
02:51:28
They gave us a chance to survive.
02:51:30
They gave us a chance to succeed.
02:51:32
And they gave us a chance to give our children something better than what we could.
02:51:37
All at a time where we had lost all hope.
02:51:40
The YMCA childcare program isn't just a daycare.
02:51:44
It's a place of trust and love and community.
02:51:48
In a city that wants to thrive on diversity and love, a city that says it prides itself on community and holding and helping every citizen, how can we be in a place where we have to come here tonight and ask for you to support this program?
02:52:05
The Y is a partner in the goals not only in its members but all of the city.
02:52:10
We want diversity.
02:52:11
We want equal opportunity.
02:52:13
We want to be seen as a place of love and acceptance.
02:52:17
The Y says everyone is equal.
02:52:19
It teaches our children love and respect of everyone.
02:52:23
It teaches them that there is no difference in any of us.
02:52:26
After everything that has happened and yet to come, don't we want more of this?
02:52:32
Don't we want to be able to show that this is who we are?
02:52:36
That programs like this are why we work so hard because everyone in our community deserves a better opportunity no matter what and no one child or family should be left behind.
02:52:51
There are more than 100 full-time students at the Y Child Care Center.
02:52:55
Unless you vote to support this program, you will be voting to leave all of us behind.
02:53:01
We ask you to support the children, the families, and our community by voting to support the child care program at the YMCA.
02:53:08
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:53:16
I'm Erin Tucker.
SPEAKER_32
02:53:25
Thank you.
02:53:27
I submitted a letter, an email to all of you, and I'm not going to reread it, but I'm here.
02:53:34
My name is Erin Tucker, and I'm here representing On Our Own, located at 123 4th Street Northwest.
02:53:41
And I have been at On Our Own for about nine years, and we've been in operation for 28 years providing free services to persons with
02:53:53
Mental Health and Addiction.
02:53:55
And I wanted to ask, well first of all I'd like to say that we appreciate the city funding us for general operating expenses the last three years for about $14,000, a little over.
02:54:11
And we're asking for you all to consider funding our RAP.
02:54:15
Program, which stands for Wellness Recovery Action Plan.
02:54:21
And RAP is an evidence-based practice.
02:54:25
And I want to say that coincidentally, I came in tonight and Ms. Cherry Henley, who's right back here, came up to me and said, hey, are you doing that or doing RAP?
02:54:36
She was a participant.
02:54:38
And I was wondering, Cherry, would you like to come up and just talk about it a little bit?
02:54:44
Anyway, Miss Henley would like to start doing some groups out in the community and it is co-facilitation and so we talked about possibly doing that together and so I just thought it was really great to walk in and have somebody who's been through
02:55:08
The WRAP training, the facilitators training say this is really amazing and I'd like to start doing it more in the community.
02:55:16
And we see between 30 and 50 people a day and on our own and we'd like to train more facilitators so that we can get this out in the community.
02:55:25
It's a really wonderful tool to help people get well and stay well.
SPEAKER_31
02:55:30
Thanks.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:55:37
Walt Heineck.
SPEAKER_03
02:55:42
Walt Heinecky, Amherst Street.
02:55:44
I wanted to provide a little bit more detail about the Human Rights Commission.
02:55:47
Before I do that, I'm not sure if you've seen the New York Times today, but there's a massive study that was done by Harvard and Stanford researchers that came out today.
02:55:54
And it's about the impact of racism on black boys.
02:56:01
It's called Extensive Data Shows Punishing Reach of Racism for Black Boys.
02:56:05
And it says black boys raised in America even in the wealthiest families and living in some of the most well-to-do neighborhoods still earn less in adulthood than white boys with similar backgrounds, according to a sweeping new study that traced the lives of millions of children.
02:56:18
White boys who grow up rich are likely to remain that way.
02:56:21
Black boys raised at the top, however, are more likely to become poor than to stay wealthy in their own adult households.
02:56:28
I'll send you the article.
02:56:29
It's fascinating data.
02:56:31
It's probably the most extensive study done in quite a while about this topic.
02:56:36
And I think we should start having a discussion about what this means for our budget.
02:56:40
What does this mean for the budget here in town?
02:56:42
Because it's a national study, but it has implications for the way that we allocate money.
02:56:46
For instance, are we talking about giving more money to the Black Male Achievement Program in town?
02:56:51
Are we figuring out other ways to funnel money?
02:56:54
into solving this particular problem.
02:56:56
So I just wanted to throw that out there first.
02:56:59
Back to the Human Rights Commission, I really appreciate your willingness to entertain thinking about the change.
02:57:06
I do feel a little bit like when I was 15 years old and on my first date.
02:57:10
I'd rather see that money committed in this budget because it basically says that it's a commitment to fix this problem.
02:57:19
So remember what I'm talking about is there's already $38,000 in the budget for an additional outreach person.
02:57:25
I don't think we need another outreach person as much as we need somebody to direct
02:57:29
Major studies of racial and other forms of discrimination in town and also to lead the charge for figuring out how to solve individuals' problems with complaints of discrimination in our town.
02:57:43
So I'm asking that you think about $38,000 plus another $50,000 or so to hire a director who's also a civil rights director who's also an investigator at the same time so we kill two birds with one stone.
02:57:57
What do you get for that additional $50,000 if you put that into the budget?
02:58:02
You get a civil rights director who can effectively lead large-scale equity and discrimination studies in this town and do it effectively.
02:58:10
You get an investigator, somebody who can enter into a FEPPA agreement or a workshare agreement with the EEOC in Richmond.
02:58:18
and can do the EEOC's investigations for us here in town locally.
02:58:24
You get $550 a case for each one of those and you get quicker turnaround times on individual resolutions of cases.
02:58:33
Basically you build public trust in a
02:58:35
in a program and in a system that has failed to build public trust.
02:58:39
If you build it, they will come with this trust, but you have to make a commitment actually by putting that money into the budget this time and then fixing those other problems that I raised in the next couple of months.
02:58:49
So, first things first.
02:58:50
Thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
02:58:53
Thanks.
02:58:53
Just a quick reply.
02:58:54
May we reply?
02:58:54
No reply.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
02:58:58
Sorry.
02:59:00
Emily Dreyfus.
SPEAKER_16
02:59:05
Hi, first I'd like to just say that I strongly support everything that Walt just talked about and also Michael Payne's great recommendations.
02:59:14
I think there's some wonderful brains at work here.
02:59:16
And one thing I wanted to point out about the homeowner assistance, homeowner relief program is I believe the average amount of assistance is something like $417 a year.
02:59:27
That is a pretty small amount when you look at how much it costs to live in Charlottesville and the deals that are being made that are almost too sweet to resist for a lot of people and they leave town and sell their house thinking that that's really going to set them up for life when in fact they've probably just really disrupted their path for security for their
02:59:49
Future generations by having to move out of town where they're one paycheck away from being really on a terrible economic spiral down or one car repair away.
03:00:01
But I wanted to advocate for an idea that was one of the things that Michael talked about because we really need a robust and comprehensive program to support low-income individuals
03:00:12
to serve on city boards and committees.
03:00:16
The lack of representation on these bodies is alarming, especially given the current state of the city and the demographics of the majority of people who are at the decision-making tables.
03:00:26
This is the time to initiate a program that can turn the tide and ensure low-income people's voices are heard so that policies will reflect their needs.
03:00:34
The Neighborhood Leadership Institute could be tailored to this purpose provided the goal is clear and eligibility is restricted to underrepresented people.
03:00:44
Legal Aid Justice Center stands ready to assist.
03:00:47
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:00:54
Any others?
Tanesha Hudson
03:00:58
OK.
03:01:01
This is about the budget, actually.
03:01:04
The second page that Maurice shared, the page where you said the expenditures, you give 25% to public safety and justice, yet employee compensation and training is 0.7%.
03:01:19
That's a true reflect of August the 12th, and the police basically just not doing nothing for the citizens in this city on August the 12th.
03:01:28
If training is only .7% of your budget, how are we to feel about the Charlottesville Police Department?
03:01:36
How are we to feel about anybody that's in a position to offer public safety, that they're going to do their job properly and according to the Constitution and the oath that they take when they swear in to these positions?
03:01:51
How are we to feel as citizens?
03:01:54
And quiet minds want to know.
03:01:55
Do anybody want to comment?
03:01:59
I mean like that is disturbing.
03:02:01
25% to public safety and justice.
03:02:05
That explains stop and frisk, why we have all these stop and frisks happening, why the court system is seeing so much footwork, foot traffic, in and out of the court system.
03:02:14
The waste of time for DeAndre being falsely accused of assault and battery, that was a complete waste of time.
03:02:21
And I told you guys months ago, he better not be convicted.
03:02:25
He wasn't convicted, thankfully.
03:02:28
But he could, I mean, just look at what we are doing.
03:02:31
We're a world-class city.
03:02:33
Yet we give .7% of training to our staff.
03:02:40
Is that not disturbing to anybody sitting on this panel?
03:02:43
Because that's disturbing as hell to me.
03:02:45
0.7% of funding is going to training.
03:02:50
And look at the cops that's sitting in here.
03:02:53
We mad at them, but really, when it's them, black and white, we got to be mad at the government.
03:03:00
And I can't even say the government, I'm going to excuse city council because y'all really don't call no shots.
03:03:06
We know how it's formatted.
03:03:08
The city manager actually called the shots.
03:03:10
Maurice, that is disturbing as ever.
03:03:14
0.7%.
03:03:16
And then we got people like Pleasant saying, God damn right I tear gassed him and I'll do it again.
03:03:21
That's why.
03:03:22
0.7% of training.
03:03:24
This man had no authority whatsoever to say that.
03:03:29
He had no authority whatsoever to order tear gas.
03:03:33
He had no authority whatsoever to do what he did over Chief Thomas at the time.
03:03:38
And here this man is without his job and he's still working.
03:03:43
This is disturbing, and I really hope Chief Thomas is somewhere watching the city council meeting and sues the hell out of y'all for this.
03:03:52
Seriously, I don't care what severance you gave him, I don't care what you offered him, you could pay him for five years past the time he was due to be paid.
03:04:00
It is disturbing that he went through this, it is disturbing that the citizens went through this, and while everybody else is asking for money, you might as well just go ahead and cut me my check from my lawsuit now, save yourself the time, save yourself the litigation fees, and let's just make a settlement.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:04:17
Any other comments?
SPEAKER_06
03:04:36
to speak.
03:04:37
I'm not going to talk about social issues.
03:04:40
I'm going to talk about something really simple.
03:04:42
Water bills.
03:04:44
I had an instance in a property that I own here in Charlottesville in which I had a leaking toilet.
03:04:52
The toilet was leaking for two days.
03:04:54
My water bill was $2,200.
03:04:58
That's equal to my entire property assessment, property taxes for the year.
03:05:04
I appealed to the city for relief.
03:05:08
I was granted $300.
03:05:09
And the reason that I was only granted $300 was because the city has a policy that is little known, which is the toilet leak policy, believe it or not.
03:05:23
If your toilet is leaking, no relief is granted.
03:05:28
If you leak outside your house in the supply line, you're eligible for relief.
03:05:35
This is inconsistent with policies of other water authorities around the state.
03:05:40
I know it's different than Albemarle County.
03:05:43
I know it's different than Fairfax County, where I recently moved from.
03:05:47
And I just ask the council to please take a look at that toilet leak policy and consider its fairness and its equity when the city receives revenues from water
03:06:02
It only has to pay about $2, I believe for 1,000 cubic feet from the Rivanna River Authority.
03:06:11
It bills $120 per 1,000 gallons.
03:06:19
There's a giant profit margin on those billings.
03:06:23
Now a lot of that money goes to cover fixed costs.
03:06:26
I understand that, but when you have a toilet leak, it's unanticipated.
03:06:31
So all of that money becomes a game.
03:06:33
It's a windfall profit for the city.
03:06:37
When I spoke to the billing folks, they told me that this happens about 20 to 30 times a week.
03:06:44
I'm sure that many of the people cannot afford to pay these bills.
03:06:50
Fortunately, I'm able to, and I have paid the bill.
03:06:54
but I think we really need to look at the fairness of this policy and I ask that the City Council look into this and make a decision.
03:07:02
Thank you very much for your time.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:07:03
What's your name?
SPEAKER_06
03:07:04
Andrew Vest.
03:07:06
Thank you.
03:07:06
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:07:10
All right, anyone else?
SPEAKER_33
03:07:22
My name is Zoe Krelova.
03:07:24
Since the last council meeting, I found myself thinking about the $75,000 marketing fund for the downtown mall.
03:07:32
And I found myself increasingly incensed by it.
03:07:36
Wasn't there an attempt at rebranding immediately after the summer of hate?
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How did that go?
03:07:41
We need to market the truth.
03:07:45
And right now, the truth isn't pretty.
03:07:47
So instead of marketing a false image, we need to fix things.
03:07:52
Our downtown mall is a great resource, but how many people in this town can truly call it ours?
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It has not been welcoming or useful to a great number of our own community members, predominantly people of color and people of limited income.
03:08:10
Our pedestrian mall is a natural gathering place.
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There is a culture of artisans and buskers.
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There is free music.
03:08:18
Yet so many of our core citizens do not spend time there.
03:08:22
Every time I go to Fridays after five, I can count the number of black people on one or two hands.
03:08:30
This is not okay.
03:08:33
We destroyed a thriving city center once already when we raised Vinegar Hill.
03:08:38
So how are we going to make right what we have now?
03:08:41
A system of white supremacy built the downtown mall and pushed its closest clientele to the fringes.
03:08:49
Those are the citizens to whom the mall should also cater.
03:08:54
Million dollar condos and a marketing fund are not going to fix this.
03:08:59
Businesses won't continue to thrive at the cost of our citizens.
03:09:03
and Karma is a Bitch as we are experiencing now.
03:09:08
Why don't we see more local hip hop at Fridays After Five?
03:09:12
Instead of a tourist welcoming center infested with false hearts, how about we have a gallery on the mall that tells the truth
03:09:22
The true history of a town built on the backs of slaves tells the Jim Crow context of our monuments of supremacy and honors an emerging history, one of community members that rose up in the face of a Nazi invasion, voted in their first African American mayor, demanded affordable housing, and hopefully made their city center inclusive.
03:09:48
Once our downtown is made welcoming, inclusive, and representative of our black community, we will be able to promote a truth and catch phrases like Seaville Strong, Virginia Love, Capital of the Resistance.
03:10:04
You do know that the Nazis will win if we continue to oppress our people of color and remain a segregated token of the Confederacy.
03:10:13
Whose side are you on?
03:10:17
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:10:23
Anyone else?
03:10:28
All right.
03:10:29
So we'll close the public hearing.
03:10:32
Questions, comments?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:10:36
So just a couple.
03:10:37
I can't remember if it was Mr. Payne.
03:10:40
I can't read my own handwriting, but it was either Mr. Payne or Mr. Honecky that talked about
03:10:47
BMA, Black Male Achievement.
03:10:50
So not many of you have seen the article that was in Sunday's paper about Daniel Fairley, who is indeed the new coordinator for BMA, for the Youth Opportunity Coordinator.
03:11:02
His job is essentially leading the efforts for BMA.
03:11:06
He's been doing a phenomenal job thus far.
03:11:09
I serve as the co-chair for our local BMA and you can look up the article but we can also provide updates for such as need be and then also the last point that was just made thank you for your comments specifically about having more hip-hop acts on the mall so Miss Hudson was actually on a panel with Mr. Kirby Hutu, Mr. General
03:11:34
Manager of the Pavilion in Quentin Harrell after we did a movie premiere for Black Panther at the Whiskey Jar and then went to the movies afterwards and we had a panel discussion that actually talked about that so there is indeed a larger effort and a strategic effort to get more acts to come to Charlottesville.
03:11:54
One of the issues that we find and a lot of people may not be aware but we've had some rather big names who were scheduled to come
03:12:04
They canceled because they didn't want to come.
03:12:08
I've spoken to some artists and other places about them coming.
03:12:12
And right now is just not a time in which they want to be here.
03:12:17
So we're working on it.
03:12:20
But I do know that this summer there'll be a couple of acts that we can't name now, but there'll be some acts that people really will like.
03:12:29
that are scheduled to come and we're working on it literally day by day.
03:12:33
When I say we, it means like the pavilion, people from the city, and then there's also John Kluge from Unity Seaville.
03:12:41
He's also a member of the Human Rights Commission.
03:12:44
He's starting this curation council with some local hip hop artists here and they're working with the pavilion folks to figure out how we can make more inclusive spaces, not only on the mall,
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but in the pavilion.
03:12:58
So those issues are definitely being addressed and I promise you I'm working on them every day.
03:13:04
That's all I have.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:13:08
Mayor Walker, I have some comments.
03:13:11
So I did read the article, Councillor Bellamy, and I
03:13:16
I smiled because you were quoted as saying that one of the things you appreciate about Mr. Farrelly was that he collected data.
03:13:25
And you have often teased me about that tendency on my part to want data.
03:13:30
So I feel really at home with you lately.
03:13:34
You probably don't like data, Ms. Galvin.
03:13:36
Thank you.
03:13:37
And may I say that what I read about Mr. Farrelly, and I saw this great opportunity that
03:13:45
When we look at things like K-YIP, when we look at the Music Resource Center, and everybody has got their own kind of youth programming going on, and they all have their own strategies and metrics to measure success.
03:14:03
It reminds me of where we were about five years ago before we did the
03:14:11
the work session on ending poverty through employment, which gave rise to the growing opportunity report.
03:14:18
That report then generated a policy change to have a job center downtown.
03:14:25
It gave rise to our growing opportunity programs, which we now have about seven or eight.
03:14:31
And they all provide local training and apprenticeships for our local residents.
03:14:38
that story isn't told and it's something that I've been bringing up repeatedly about how we need the performance metrics attached to our strategic plan goals and objectives because when I went on the website, when I went on the strategic plan website, clicked on economic diversity, clicked on resiliency, I could not find any data
03:15:00
about those job centers, those jobs programs.
03:15:03
There were individual reports from the Economic Development Office, but there is no way for us to convey to the public and the public to see what we have succeeded in doing because we did to the hard work of assessing the challenge, where the obstacles work, coming up with a vision,
03:15:21
putting money into it.
03:15:23
Before that, we were throwing money ad hoc at various work training programs, left and right.
03:15:29
It wasn't adding up.
03:15:30
It was just money down the drain.
03:15:32
We now have a track record.
03:15:35
We have people that have benefited from it.
03:15:38
We need to do a better job of collecting that data, packaging that data, and communicating it.
03:15:44
And I hope that Mr. Fairley
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can do the same with all of our youth programs.
03:15:49
That's my biggest challenge with the K-IP request right now.
03:15:53
I want to see and hear where it's making a difference.
03:15:58
Everyone likes it.
03:15:59
It feels good.
03:16:00
But is it actually making the kind of change that we all want?
03:16:05
quantifying it, but also knowing that it's effective.
03:16:09
And if it's not, then we change it.
03:16:12
But we don't just keep putting money into things because it feels good.
03:16:20
So that's kind of the main point I'd like to make relative to the very good article about Mr. Fairley.
03:16:30
And it did illustrate for me the importance of knowing
SPEAKER_18
03:16:35
what we've gotten out of our investment.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:16:38
Yeah, over the last eight years our budget has grown 27%, so it's $38 million, not as bad as it was before.
03:16:47
We need to know what that did for us.
03:16:51
We need to know what we're getting out of that efficiency study still.
03:16:54
I still don't know how much we spent for that and how much we've gotten in terms of benefits and direction.
03:17:02
As I said, and Vice Mayor Hill and I are both eager to have the conversation with Novak about the NDS deeper dive, because what struck me about that piece is that the recommendations which were adding staff were not addressing the findings.
03:17:19
We need to be good stewards of the money that we have.
03:17:24
So I think that it's also important to remember that at the end of last year, we had a $9 million surplus.
03:17:34
So I'm just putting that out there that it's important to have people in our government who own the challenge, who own the problem, who own the problem solving, and have the data to demonstrate what they've done.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:17:55
Let's see, where do I start?
03:18:07
Can we talk about individual requests?
03:18:10
Absolutely.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:18:15
There was a lot of applause just now for the YMCA and I think, and I'm gonna talk about that to speak to what I think needs to happen overall in the budget.
03:18:28
So there's two asks from that organization, this $40,000 request that came in
03:18:39
through ABRT, and then there's a bigger ask with rental assistance maybe later in the year, what happened and what happens to the Jefferson School, how it's rented out, what the lease agreements look like there.
03:18:59
What just happened based on, like, if I had to vote tonight based on the information that I have, I still have questions, so I wouldn't have been, I wouldn't have said yes.
03:19:14
We need to look at, I think, the overall, I mean, there are tons, I've been a mom who's needed daycare, right?
03:19:23
So it's,
03:19:24
Most people are not going to come into a room and say we're not, and be comfortable with saying we're not going to fund a daycare program, right?
03:19:34
Because we know how valuable, anyone who has parent knows how valuable that is.
03:19:39
But we have daycare
03:19:43
Daycare throughout the city and I'm sure a lot of them need support.
03:19:49
The questions that for me and just using this as an example that were unanswered was that the YMCA knew when they filled out the ABRT report
03:20:00
that they would need more money at some point.
03:20:03
There was also a five year grant from the Blue Moon Fund that has been funding a rental subsidy for the YMCA and that Blue Moon Fund is no longer funding that.
03:20:18
and the request that I think is gonna come up along with this $40,000 request is for the city to fund that.
03:20:27
For me, the bigger picture there is overall what is gonna happen to any organization that's at the Jefferson School and what does fiscal management of each of those organizations look like and what does the data look like about effectiveness and who they're serving.
03:20:46
So when you made the comment just now about the feel good, you know, it feels just right based on the presentation that for for any of us to, you know, deny that funding, that wouldn't have felt great, of course.
03:21:01
Right.
03:21:02
And you all were clapping.
03:21:04
So you all would start booing.
03:21:05
But I think that, you know, we haven't asked the questions like overall child care in the city.
03:21:13
What what does that look like?
03:21:15
Every organization, and this is coming from someone who's worked either in the organizations or needed to partner with the organizations for the work.
03:21:26
The effectiveness that Counselor Galvin is talking about, I don't think we do a very good job of that.
03:21:35
Everyone comes in, they ask for resources, we give it to them because what they read,
03:21:42
Sounds good, but are they making a dent in any of the disparities that we are Experiencing and that is something I think that we have to start asking we also have to start asking I'm looking at the bigger picture.
03:21:58
We get some very aggressive emails You know
03:22:03
for funding, which I thought they would come in a little bit nicer normally when you're asking, you know, you kind of smooth people, they do not come in like that, which is also, I think, how things have been set up.
03:22:17
in the city and the expectation that individuals have.
03:22:21
So I hope that this budget process started last summer.
03:22:26
We came in, I mean Heather and I at least, Counselor Hill and myself, we came in at the end of the budget cycle, I mean the middle of it.
03:22:40
And we really, I mean I would recommend that any
03:22:44
person running for council in the future start attending and paying very close attention to the budget in the summer.
03:22:53
But I hope you all are paying attention to the entire process.
03:23:02
What's the entire ask?
03:23:04
So that it doesn't look like if something's not funded that we're not funding it because we don't have a heart.
03:23:13
This is going to be a real challenge.
03:23:16
for me because I am going to, I look at any dollar spent the way I would spend my own or give my own and I asked a lot of questions surrounding that.
03:23:27
So with an organization like the Y, I would want to know like what is your contribution?
03:23:33
What have you been planning for the past five years when you knew that the subsidy from Blue Moon was going to end?
03:23:41
What is your overall operating budget?
03:23:44
I mean, those are the same questions I think we have to ask everyone.
03:23:48
And how is it aligned?
03:23:50
What contributions are you asking outside organizations?
03:23:55
What does your fundraising, your development department, what are they going to do moving forward?
03:24:02
And I just hope that we start, one, I think council has to set a priority for
03:24:08
Hal funding, what's the focal point, and we definitely have to get some of those performance metrics in place so that we can start evaluating.
03:24:20
And also because there's such a great need, there's so many disparities, it can't just be an ask, in my opinion, from the city just to fun, fun, fun because there's so many
03:24:31
you know things to fund, there has to be a collaboration with each partner that they're doing the best on their end to make sure that you know annually they are getting those you know developments.
03:24:46
And I know I was told a lot in nonprofit starting with my first nonprofit ASG that if I wanted to do something I had to raise the money to do it.
03:24:56
And one of the first things that aid services group that I did was put on
03:25:03
Theater show at Live Arts with dessert and theater, right?
03:25:08
And that was a fundraising.
03:25:11
I would have loved to just have been able to come here and just ask for the money, but sometimes you got to work, work a little harder.
03:25:18
And some of these requests that we are getting, I'm seeing people
03:25:23
sitting around a table making a decision like there's the request from John.
03:25:28
You made a decision with your board members at the table to pay your employees a living wage and the only
03:25:36
it seems next step for them was to ask the city versus what when you make that decision there also has to be some action on your part of how you're going to bring the money and I think the growth that you're talking about in the budget that's part of it we have to start making sure that if it's been
03:25:57
this handout type of relationship that we understand more of a collaboration and building and not putting a strain on any one area.
03:26:07
So hopefully that's where I hope we go to.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:26:17
I just have one more comment because it's something we talked about at the work session.
03:26:25
And when we get the housing needs assessment, when we get the first pass of a housing production strategy, that says to me, that's the time that, as we were way back before we had the growing opportunity report, that's the information we need that then will tell us, OK, we have a work session, a budget work session in the summer so that we can start asking the hard questions
03:26:55
Given this policy statement, given this research, what do we need to do by way of resources?
03:27:02
How much capital will we need to raise in order to implement these things?
03:27:08
We don't have that information yet, but it gets at what has been talked about tonight in terms of the vision.
03:27:15
We're lining things up with getting the data we need, the assessment we need.
03:27:22
We're getting research on strategies to expand our housing supply, expand our strategies.
03:27:29
That's when we have the opportunity to create that vision for affordable housing that we've needed, just like we did with Workforce.
03:27:38
But I just want to say that we've talked about that we've got to get that on the calendar in sometime early summer, because we don't want to be left like in December trying to figure out what capital needs we have.
03:27:53
because they're going to be huge, especially related to the schools.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:27:57
Well, I know that when I approached Leslie last week before the last budget work session just about how some of these capital decisions are made because there was one that was of interest to me, and I just think that she agreed.
03:28:07
we have to relook at that process as well in terms of how we're prioritizing and what voice we have in it.
03:28:11
And so I think what's been difficult for Mayor Walker and I is this kind of coming in the middle despite the fact that we both were at every budget work session last year until you're actually sitting at the table.
03:28:18
It is a different perspective, but the process person in me certainly wants to get behind us really hitting the ground running as soon as this budget is done to really have a chance at really getting to that vision point.
03:28:27
We have to almost start right away with that next cycle and with a different perspective about how this is going to play out and the involvement we want to have from the community in that process.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
03:28:40
Counselor, can I talk a little bit about the performance measures?
03:28:43
The information that Counselor Galvin had mentioned, those are in our score cords on our website.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:28:50
Not to the same, not when I'm looking at the numbers of residents, and I remember vividly our work session a couple summers ago.
03:29:01
We wanted it broken down by race, we wanted to make sure we knew where the residency was,
03:29:05
and all the different growing opportunity programs.
03:29:09
And that kind of level of detail, that kind of fine grain information just simply isn't there.
03:29:14
I could find it somewhat by going into each individual booklet on each growing opportunity driver program.
03:29:21
It's not compiled in a way that you can really see readily the impact that it's having.
03:29:27
OK.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
03:29:27
I'm sorry.
03:29:27
That's different from what you said earlier, where you said the information is not on the website.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:29:31
Well, the information that, in my mind, shows the performance metric is one thing.
03:29:35
It's the difference between outcomes and outputs, as they say.
03:29:38
There are outputs, but we need the outcome.
03:29:41
How is it changing African-American unemployment?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
03:29:45
Yeah.
03:29:46
I mean, I think with, for instance, the GO program, it's only three years into that program.
03:29:50
So you wouldn't see a big move specifically for that program.
03:29:55
You could compare it with other things that we're doing on top of that to see what's going on with, for instance, African-American unemployment in the community, that type of thing, which has gone down over the course of the last three to five years.
03:30:06
But when you're looking for one particular program and its impact, that may be harder to measure at times.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:30:14
We need more conversations about how this information is compiled and put together because it is not clear what our programs are doing unless you go through multiple documents.
03:30:26
When we get a policy analyst, that could be very much what can help us.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:30:38
When you're talking about funding and equity, we have to look at that how long it hasn't been equitable, who's at the table making these decisions, who is evaluating, you know, the programs.
03:30:53
And I don't have the data, but I have the
03:30:58
I've done the work, I have the lived experience and I know the individuals, you know, a lot of families that have been affected for a long time and what we have is a lot of money being poured in.
03:31:11
I know when I left City of Promise, I said we were in the business of middle income maintenance.
03:31:17
And so when we really want to talk about like the disparities and we're going to have to shift a lot of, we're going to have to shift a lot of the weight
03:31:27
that we've been doing things, who we hire, who we're listening to, whose advice we find valuable.
03:31:34
And when the community is telling us we are not headed on the right path, I think we need to listen to that.
03:31:43
We have a major school to prison pipeline.
03:31:48
We have it.
03:31:49
It's here.
03:31:49
We bring in authors.
03:31:50
They talk about it.
03:31:51
But we haven't acknowledged that.
03:31:55
and I think to hit on with what Ms. Hudson was talking about, the majority of our funding goes to the school system and then public safety.
03:32:08
And for us to have that major disparity there, I mean, those are the kind of conversations that we're gonna definitely have to have to break these cycles.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:32:30
All right, so where are we?
03:32:35
That's it?
03:32:37
All right.
03:32:37
So moving on.
03:32:41
Do we need a break?
03:32:42
Is this the break at 10?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:32:43
No, just one more.
03:32:44
Just one more first.
03:32:45
One more.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:32:48
All right, say a break on the back at 10.
PUBLIC HEARING /APPROPRIATION: HB2 / SMART Scale grant funding Barracks Road / Emmet Street Intersection - $8,640,866 (carried)
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:32:57
OK. Public hearing appropriation, do we have no one to sign up for the Smart Scale grant funding, Bex Road and Emmett Street intersection?
03:33:07
First of two readings.
03:33:10
Mr. Tony Edwards, Neighborhood Development Services, and Mr. Brennan Duncan.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:33:15
Thanks for sticking around, sir.
SPEAKER_37
03:33:17
Good evening, Mayor.
03:33:22
This afternoon, I just want to present to you the information we had related to the Smart Scale.
03:33:28
I'm sorry you said this afternoon.
03:33:32
You were supposed to say it out loud.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:33:36
He's been waiting a long time.
SPEAKER_37
03:33:37
We'll get there.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:33:41
He's lecturing me.
SPEAKER_31
03:33:43
Don't say out loud inside your head.
03:33:45
Sorry.
03:33:46
It's okay.
SPEAKER_37
03:33:49
I appreciate your humor.
03:33:55
Many of you may know that there was a House Bill 2 that was approved back in 2014 that started the SmartScale program or what's called SmartScale program now.
03:34:05
In the second round of awards for that, Charlottesville was awarded over 8.6 million dollars to do improvements at the barracks and Emmett Street intersections.
03:34:17
I'm very pleased that we had the opportunity because that was a
03:34:22
competitive selection throughout the state.
03:34:28
The city will need to enter into an agreement with VDOT to formalize this and this appropriation will be the first step in doing that to utilize these funds.
03:34:41
The funds are necessary to take care of the resources for design, acquiring any kind of right of way that may be needed, and constructing the infrastructure.
03:34:54
These are guaranteed funds through to complete the entire project.
03:35:00
Nice thing is there's no local fund match that is required to do so.
03:35:06
The improvements that are proposed there at the intersection would include right turn lanes on the westbound Barracks Road leg of that intersection and right turn lane at the northbound Emmett Street direction.
03:35:23
Also include such improvements as moving utility poles away from the intersection, providing pedestrian safety features, bicycle improvements such as multi-use lanes or bike lanes potentially there.
03:35:41
We also intend to upgrading the bus stop for that location, perhaps provide a shelter.
03:35:51
I just want to make counselors aware that we are also in the third round of SmartScale applications and each locality is allowed to have up to four projects that they can propose and we've identified four that we would like to propose tonight.
03:36:09
West Main Street, Streetscape would be one of those.
03:36:12
This would cover the phases two through four that currently are unfunded.
03:36:20
Preston Avenue and Grady intersection.
03:36:23
This was the number one priority for the streets that work process.
03:36:30
The Route 250 and hydraulic road improvements.
03:36:32
This would lengthen the turn lane there, the left turn lane, as well as make connections to the proposed sidewalks and trails that are approaching this intersection.
03:36:45
This would be along 250 as well as up hydraulic.
03:36:50
and currently we're involved with, we're proceeding with a traffic study along the Fifth and Ridge and McIntire corridor.
03:36:59
We see that as several sections that will need their own specific improvements be made and in doing so we're hoping to be able to package one or two of those sections for smart scale funding opportunities.
03:37:14
As far as public engagement for this project,
03:37:19
appropriation tonight.
03:37:20
We did have the merits of the project approved by City Council and the Commonwealth Transportation Board.
03:37:28
And of course, as we move through the design phase of each of these projects, there will be public engagement and another public hearing requirement.
03:37:39
So again, these are state and federal funded, no local match required, and the staff is recommending approval of the appropriation.
03:37:48
Any questions?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:37:50
Yes, Mr. Andrews, just for the benefit of everyone on the dais here, the hydraulic road improvement project, that is going to be the subject of our work session on Thursday with the Planning Commission and City Council.
03:38:04
And it's actually quite an in-depth, technically challenging problem that's being solved at the intersection of hydraulic and Emmett.
03:38:16
to try to get pedestrian infrastructure, bike infrastructure to cross over MS Street.
03:38:20
I mean, US 29 is is a big challenge and it's all part of a whole network approach.
03:38:27
So that that's going to be more further discussed.
03:38:30
But it's all part of that smart scale funding and smart scale has criteria based on safety, congestion, pedestrian bike orientation,
03:38:43
There are various criteria that the state uses to make their determinations.
03:38:47
But this is great that we've gotten this money directly from the state with no strings attached.
03:38:55
And commendable, your work is commendable for getting the applications in and that they're successful.
03:39:00
So thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:39:04
Any other questions?
03:39:06
Thank you.
03:39:09
Now open the public hearing.
03:39:13
Comments from the public?
03:39:16
All right, close public hearing.
03:39:20
Any discussion?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:39:22
And just move approval of the appropriation of funds.
03:39:26
Second.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:39:29
And his role is enlarged for us.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:39:41
For you.
03:39:42
I don't have that version.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:39:44
Oh, you don't have it.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:39:47
I have an asterisk.
03:39:48
I thought asterisk was vote, but that's my bad.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:39:53
No, it's for me.
03:39:53
I know it's for me.
03:39:55
Nikuyah.
03:39:57
I got it.
03:39:58
All right.
03:40:00
So now we're going to break.
03:40:02
Yes.
03:40:03
All right.
03:40:04
Oh, wow.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:40:05
Break again.
03:40:07
We've had a lot of breaks tonight.
03:40:09
We've had to.
03:42:18
you
03:42:52
you
03:46:47
you
03:47:47
you
Don Gathers
03:48:34
There you have it
03:49:14
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:50:04
All right, call the meeting to order.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:50:09
No, you hit the gavel, not the mic.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:50:13
It reminds me of something.
03:50:18
All right, so report on internet access for public housing.
03:50:34
Mr. Jones will present.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
03:50:37
Actually, Mayor Walker, I think Councilor Bellamy is presenting on this issue.
03:50:43
OK. All right.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:50:47
Thank you.
REPORT: Internet Access for Public Housing
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:50:50
So I don't have any slides.
03:50:53
I will just catch everyone up to speed in all seriousness.
03:50:58
So thank you, Mr. Jones, as well as members of council for
03:51:02
indulging me in the conversation in regards to internet access for our public housing sites.
03:51:09
This has come about based off of a few different conversations between myself as well as Mr. Grant Duffield from the Executive Director of the Housing Authority.
03:51:19
and members of Ting, specifically Monica Webb.
03:51:22
We've been meeting now for a couple of months, maybe about three or four months.
03:51:28
Conversations initially started maybe about a year or so ago, just some very brief conversations in regards to internet access, what they could do.
03:51:38
We've had some conversations.
03:51:39
I know myself and Councillor Signer at the time, we had some conversations with Comcast
03:51:45
just talking about how we can bring this to fruition and then after which, Ting and I continued having conversations into the spring last summer and then around November, there was a request from the Housing Authority as I serve as the council's representative
03:52:08
about Dr. Bellamy, what can we do in order to bring the internet and kind of close that gap to all of our public housing sites?
03:52:15
Ting was actually listening to that meeting.
03:52:17
We had another conversation.
03:52:19
And what we essentially were able to come up with was to be able to provide an offer in which, in my personal opinion, is one that we can't refuse.
03:52:29
So I just want to pull up the memo really quickly for you all.
03:52:39
Thank you Vice Mayor, you're such a great Vice Mayor.
03:52:43
So in an effort to help bridge the digital gap that exists between economic levels, Ting is offering to build fiber optic internet service to every CRHA home with financial assistance from the city.
03:52:56
Now more specifically, Ting will provide its one gigabyte per second symmetrical service to residents for $9.95 a month.
03:53:05
This service normally sells to residential customers at $89 a month.
03:53:09
and according to Team, there are no data caps, no contracts and net neutrality practices will always be honored.
03:53:15
The process to wire the buildings and individual units is expected to take place over a 12 month period and during that time, CRHA would work with Team to inform residents for their service options.
03:53:26
The request from us is essentially $150,000 and that would cover
03:53:33
the fees of the installation for each housing unit that would like to accept the offer.
03:53:39
Now, there are no requirements in regards to accepting the services.
03:53:46
There are no pre-existing requirements or anything that may have transpired before that would prevent these housing residents from having access to the internet.
03:53:58
And this also would cover our public housing community centers.
03:54:01
So essentially, we're covering the price of the hardware, which normally would be around $120.
03:54:08
They're going to give us a discounted rate of basically $80.
03:54:12
So $80 times 376 units, that's how we get the figure that we have now.
03:54:18
And all the residents have to pay is $9.99 a month, and they have high speed, one gigabyte, one gigabit internet.
03:54:26
And I think it's a phenomenal deal.
03:54:30
especially as we talk about building equity and closing, again, not only the digital divide, but making sure that everyone has the opportunity to be as successful as possible.
03:54:40
I just believe this is something that we can't pass up.
03:54:43
It's not going to have a significant impact, or it will have $150,000 as a large amount of money, but these funds could come out of the CIP, Contingency Fund, and the rest of the info is in the memo.
SPEAKER_02
03:54:55
So I'll stop there if there's any other questions.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:55:00
Is team here?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:55:02
Ms. Webb isn't here, she couldn't make it, so they're based, they have office here on the mall, but they also have their headquarters in Toronto, so they're back and forth all the time, but.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:55:15
So, questions about like their infrastructure once it's in place?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:55:21
Yeah.
03:55:22
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:55:23
Oh, go ahead.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:55:24
No.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:55:24
You can answer them?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:55:25
Yeah, yes ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:55:28
I heard them give a report somewhere, which I haven't been able to go back and find, but they were talking about once they put the fibers, I know there was something about that other areas could use it.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:55:57
Yeah, so I actually followed up with Ms. Webb about that.
03:55:59
I know you and I had a conversation about it.
03:56:02
So she was saying, yeah, once the wires are put in place or kind of the groundwork is done, the access, the Ting is expanding throughout the community.
03:56:12
So once the infrastructure is placed in,
03:56:15
There will be some benefits to surrounding neighborhoods after where they do the installation, but only the public housing sites and the 376 units will have access to this specific deal because this is a deal with CRHA.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:56:29
No, I understand, but can surrounding areas use, like can they, will, like let's say areas near the public housing sites, will they be able to
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:56:43
I think that's a good question.
03:56:48
I think that's a good question.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:57:00
Other people will just be paying for like the hardware and whatnot.
03:57:02
They're not going to have to go back and dig, you know, new ditches or however they do it.
03:57:08
Infrastructure will be set around the spaces that we have.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:57:12
Because I just want to, I have some questions about the price.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:57:17
I just wanted to make sure that it's, like if other areas could benefit also from it, was that just 150 the best price?
03:57:32
I mean I don't, I would like a presentation from them on how it works.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:57:40
Okay.
03:57:42
Does that,
03:57:44
and I have questions, I do because I have questions about like as a city, didn't I send that video?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:57:49
Yeah, she sent me the tape.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:57:53
Because if we can, like is it possible to wire the city?
SPEAKER_18
03:57:57
Yes, it's possible.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:57:58
And what does that look like?
03:57:59
And there were different internet companies, right, that were competing.
03:58:05
Yeah.
03:58:05
That it was, it also made it cheaper overall.
03:58:09
Well, you and I have seen it.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:58:11
You would probably have to explain a little bit
03:58:13
essentially what Mayor Walker is talking about.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:58:14
I didn't send it to everybody.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:58:16
No, you sent it to me on Facebook saying watch this.
03:58:21
Essentially what Mayor Walker is describing, there's a TED Talk in which an individual, if I'm not mistaken, was he in Colorado?
03:58:30
In any event, he describes how they break down
03:58:37
The current, how we currently do internet and make it more of a competing scale.
03:58:41
So instead of you just having one service provider and you saying I have to go here and only get this, that service is on a competing scale so you can pick and mix packages to
03:58:54
to get and purchase what works best for you.
03:58:57
It's really like a high tech and I'm not necessarily going to say a futuristic kind of a model, but it's definitely an innovative approach to internet.
03:59:06
I don't know if...
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:59:07
I gotta be futuristic.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:59:09
It's innovative.
03:59:10
It's innovative for sure.
03:59:13
I don't know.
03:59:15
Yeah, so I don't know enough about it.
03:59:17
I saw that, I thought it was good.
03:59:19
They're doing it across seas right now, right?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:59:22
Is it possible to wire the areas, so two questions and then I'm going to stop.
03:59:27
Is it possible to wire the areas like the downtown mall where we could wire, it wouldn't have to be because that could cut down the cost if it didn't have to be.
03:59:37
No, I'm not saying the downtown mall.
03:59:40
I'm saying if it is possible to wire the
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:59:43
public housing communities like the downtown mall is wired.
03:59:47
Where so if I go downtown, I can get access.
03:59:50
Community access, you mean?
03:59:52
Yeah.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
03:59:52
Oh, so as soon as you go in there, yeah it's open.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
03:59:54
Would it be cheaper if we did it that way where it wasn't to each individual household but it was to the community as a whole and they had a
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:00:02
So the reason why I would say no is because there would be so many people on that specific network.
04:00:08
How you would have to wire it is there would be a network for that public housing site.
04:00:16
Based off of, if I'm not mistaken, we ran into some of these issues when West Haven was with
04:00:22
when Verizon came in and did the, well, just saying, so they saw during the weekdays, rather, it was okay, right?
04:00:30
But normally everyone is home on the weekends, Friday, Saturday, and Friday night, Saturday night, everybody was trying to log onto the internet and it was super slow.
04:00:41
And that's why you would wanna have your individual connection so that everybody isn't using the exact same network or on the exact same network
04:00:49
Clogging up the speeds at the same time.
04:00:51
This will allow them to have access to individual networks for $10 a month and it's going to be super fast.
04:01:00
And I think, I mean again for, we pay the one time cost which covers the bulk of it, which is still discounted and a person is only paying $10 a month, I don't know if we can get much cheaper.
04:01:12
than that.
04:01:14
Me personally, I'm not a fan of the, let's just have it in one big space.
04:01:19
I mean, even sometimes if you come on the mall during like, to use your example, if you come on the mall during like Fridays after five, or when there's a big concert and you have two, 3,000 people here who are all on the internet, it's gonna go very slow.
04:01:34
And maybe the network may be out, the tower may go out.
04:01:38
That's what you run the risk if you allow them to do a blanket kind of thing.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:01:42
Now, and my next question was with like redevelopment.
04:01:46
So let's say Crescent Hall.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:01:48
Yeah, so we talked about that.
04:01:53
And once the infrastructure is put in place, they'll be able to adapt it for, because as it was explained to me, the networks aren't in a specific unit, it's ground infrastructure.
04:02:07
And then from there they can just literally modify.
04:02:09
But that, the
04:02:11
The units in terms of the actual, I don't want to call them boxes, but the modems or whatnot, they go with the resident, not necessarily just with the unit.
04:02:25
So when we start doing redevelopment and a person has to be relocated when we have a relocation plan and a person has to go to a new unit, they'll be able to take their modem and that infrastructure will be set because it's throughout the area.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:02:36
And I was more interested about the actual infrastructure that's in the ground during a major redevelopment.
04:02:44
I guess you get it up to a certain point, and then obviously if construction is going to take place, there's going to be disruption.
04:02:52
But I guess the major infrastructure is taken just to get to that street, and then the network that was created is
04:02:58
something that you're just gonna have to adapt as you change the format.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:03:02
Yeah, so they said, I mean it takes about 12 months to, and there'll be plans for each individual site.
04:03:09
As I just explained, that was to the extent in which it was explained to me, so I don't know exactly how they dig the ditches to build a network and whatnot or pull the fiber through, but again they said all of our sites could be up with fiber optic internet speed in 12 months, and I think that
04:03:27
I just really think that's a win for us.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:03:34
Ms. Galvin.
04:03:35
I support this.
04:03:37
I do think that it's equity and access and I wish it happened earlier.
04:03:47
And I don't know how long it's going to take for us to read about.
04:03:52
I hate to say that.
04:03:54
I wish we knew it was imminent.
04:03:57
but I think we can't afford to wait anymore with regards to this information gap, this access gap.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:04:09
And my question with the redevelopment is, is there a possibility of putting in the contract that if something is disruptive that they'll either repair it under this cost of rate use?
04:04:23
Great.
04:04:23
So that's my that's my ass.
04:04:25
Not that we wait until redevelopment happen.
04:04:28
But, you know, like if Crescent Hall is first, we want to make sure they have access within this 12 month period.
04:04:36
Also, if something is disrupted.
04:04:39
And again, I don't understand enough of how the networking happens to be able to have a, you know, to to explain what I'm saying.
04:04:48
But I would like for, you know, just to know like what is team willing
04:04:53
with this cost to say if something is disruptive because of something like redevelopment are they willing to repair it?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:05:04
Yes ma'am, so what we can do is on the MOU and the contract in which we actually sign we'll just ensure that that language is in there.
04:05:12
I've asked that question to Ms. Webb and she said it wouldn't be a problem but we'll make sure we have it in writing and you know I guess tonight we're just
04:05:20
Hearing the report and then essentially giving the yea or nay, but before anything is signed or any agreement, we'll make sure that all of council and obviously our city manager and CRHA will see all of the documents to ensure that exactly what we are requesting is what we're receiving for the amount that we'll be providing.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:05:37
I think the appropriate time to bring that back is when you actually do the allocation.
04:05:41
Yes, sir.
04:05:41
The appropriation from the CIP contingency fund.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:05:45
Yes, sir.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:05:49
And they can answer any questions that you may have that might be, if possible, invite representatives from the team to be here.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:05:59
All right, any other, so staff is, so direction to staff is?
04:06:07
From my perspective?
04:06:08
Oh, you're clear.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:06:09
I mean, I'm glad you asked that question.
04:06:13
I think the direction is to further develop an agreement between the city, CRHA, and Ting on this issue to bring back for city council consideration.
04:06:25
We'd also bring back a resolution that evening to appropriate money from the CIP contingency fund for council to consider that night as well.
04:06:35
Is that fair?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:06:36
And is this something that we have to consider other companies or no?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:06:42
Well, that's not really a question for us as much as it's a question for CRHA.
04:06:47
And that was a question that I had asked Councilor Bellamy was the procurement side of this.
04:06:53
That would be a CRHA issue, unless it was.
04:06:56
We would be providing the money, in essence, to CRHA to make this happen.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:07:01
And it's my understanding that they have to follow similar procurement laws as we do.
04:07:08
I don't know, but that is their governance issue, which is providing the money.
04:07:12
And I have a question, so why wasn't, so this is, because this is not redevelopment money, that's why this is coming out of the CRJ.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:07:18
Yes, ma'am.
04:07:21
It's a separate one-time request.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:07:23
Okay.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:07:24
So CRJ, we have our meeting next Monday.
04:07:29
So what I will do is ensure that this is on the agenda and then have a report back for all of council the first Monday in April, so April 2nd.
04:07:40
Not saying it'll be on the agenda, I'll just have a mini report, maybe I can do a quick five minute in other business.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:07:47
But can Ting come and explain to us how?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:07:50
Yeah, if you just hold on a minute.
04:07:51
Oh, I'm sorry.
04:07:52
Thank you, ma'am, I love you.
04:07:53
At our second meeting in April, I would like to request that we have Team B on the agenda and they can give us a quick presentation and answer all of the questions.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:08:07
It might be worth double checking to make sure that they don't need multiple bids.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:08:12
That's a question we've passed along to Mr. Duffield.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:08:19
And is there a way for us to look at
04:08:24
Well, I'm interested.
SPEAKER_31
04:08:25
I talk to you every day.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:08:28
In the city.
SPEAKER_31
04:08:30
In the city.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:08:30
Can we, is it, did you watch the video?
04:08:36
Is there a possibility that we could, we're small enough area, right, that we could wire, like that we could provide internet cities to households throughout the, no?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:08:50
There's a significant cost that's associated with that.
04:08:55
We could certainly do some research for the council and bring that back to council for consideration and discussion.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:00
So the way it worked at each individual household contributed to this cost of paying down the price to wire their entire area, I don't know how
04:09:13
We're pretty small, so we should.
04:09:17
And then once that happened, then they paid the same low rate per month.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:09:25
Does she think we live in Star Trek?
04:09:29
No, we don't.
04:09:30
I keep telling her that.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:31
Oh my goodness, Wes, really Star Trek?
04:09:33
I don't know.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:09:35
Like, you think we live in, like, 2027, D5, I keep telling her.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:39
I mean, it's working somewhere.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:09:42
Yes, ma'am.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:43
Maurice, help me out, please, Mr. Jones.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:09:49
Be me up, Scotty.
04:09:52
Y'all are getting a glimpse of like Nikaya and I's conversations now.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:56
No, this is like really working.
04:09:58
somewhere.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:09:59
It was a TED talk.
04:10:01
Come on now, right?
04:10:03
What do we do when we want people for our local?
04:10:06
We have them come, right?
04:10:09
I agree.
04:10:09
Best and brightest minds speak about a topic.
04:10:13
Wes, don't do this.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:10:14
I didn't say it.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:10:15
Anyway, I know it's a significant contribution, but they were able to take the price of internet.
04:10:20
One thing they were able to do is to make it more cost
04:10:25
you know, to decrease the cost for their entire population.
04:10:29
So that was, and you were able, they had competition and everyone was in that same price range and
04:10:39
I don't care about this enough to know all the facts is the issue, right?
04:10:44
I mean, internet is important, I'm not saying, but to learn about internet is not my, I'm not going to read every detail.
04:10:51
I would like for somebody to present, and affordable housing and access is very important, and I understand not having access, so that is not what I was saying, just in case somebody sent me an email and translated as that.
04:11:05
But what I'm saying is just how the infrastructure works and how that's set up.
04:11:09
If I started to read that, I would go to sleep.
04:11:11
So I need someone to explain that.
04:11:13
I just did.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:11:14
And I've been explaining this to you for two.
04:11:17
So that you must have fallen asleep.
04:11:18
Yeah.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:11:20
Oh, you all feel like he explained it?
04:11:21
No, I explained it to you.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:11:25
No, he didn't.
04:11:26
OK. My name.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:11:26
I agree with you.
04:11:29
It would be really good to have a team to represent to us when the time comes.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:11:35
And we can follow up.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:11:36
And follow up on this kind of a city-wide networking.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:11:40
And if you don't mind, Mayor, I can send the rest of the council the video.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:11:44
Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't.
04:11:46
I sent it to them.
04:11:47
It is sent.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:11:49
It was probably late or something.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:11:50
Okay, moving on.
04:11:53
We have direction.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:11:55
I see Mr. Murphy out there waiting in the wings.
04:11:57
Please bring him in.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:11:58
All right, so the next report.
REPORT: Community Remembrance Project with the Equal Justice Initiative
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:12:03
The Community Remembrance Project with the Equal Justice Initiative.
04:12:07
Mr. Mike Murphy will present.
Mike Murphy
Assistant City Manager
04:12:17
Good evening, council.
04:12:20
Mike Murphy, assistant city manager.
04:12:23
Tonight's report is on the Community Remembrance Project with Equal Justice Initiative.
04:12:30
And you're aware that I've presented to you a number of times about the recommendations from the Blue Ribbon Commission.
04:12:36
In September of 2017, you endorsed the elements of the EJI initiative being here in the city.
04:12:47
Essentially has four components, essay contests with local students,
04:12:52
A soil collection sample, a historical marker.
04:12:58
and to claim a lynching memorial that will be at the National Museum in Montgomery, Alabama, which I believe will open next month.
04:13:12
So it was a bit further out as we talked about it over 2017.
04:13:18
But those are the four elements of that project.
04:13:21
Council endorsed that on September 5th.
04:13:25
then based on a motion about the downtown park master planning process in November, you endorsed that those elements would be incorporated into that whole redesign effort for Lee Jackson and this downtown park corridor.
04:13:43
So the question before you tonight after
04:13:47
Some community discussion is, do you still want those elements to be considered only at the time when the RFP will be completed?
04:13:59
It is issued.
04:14:00
It will close on June the 8th.
04:14:03
It will be under consideration probably for about 30 days then and then they will do their work So I would expect that there would not be any knowledge about where the individual elements might be Probably till at best case scenario the end of this calendar year
04:14:18
Or would you entertain the notion that we might place the historical marker in cooperation with EJI prior to that with the idea that it may move when we get the community feedback and the design efforts from whoever the successful vendor is for our RFP.
04:14:37
And so staff seeks your direction on that matter tonight.
04:14:41
I do have Brian Daly here if you need detail about the RFP.
04:14:48
Just entertaining questions you have on EJI and what direction you'd like to go.
04:14:54
Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:14:57
Ms. Galvin, I think.
04:14:59
Thank you, Mr. Murphy.
04:15:00
I don't have any questions for you, but I just want to share with Council and the public that, yes, as Mr. Murphy said, the EJI is an integral part of the master plan for the downtown parks.
04:15:17
But in light of circumstances that have transpired recently, there is, as we all know, a growing sense of urgency to do something now.
04:15:27
And I think Ms. Jolene Schmidt's email really made a good argument for why we need to do something now.
04:15:37
Having said that, this is a very,
04:15:41
significant monument, and it's representing kind of acknowledgement of the horrible death of John Henry James in 1898 when he was lynched.
04:15:54
So I think we all feel that this needs to be done in a very reverential way, and that's why the EJI process has got this four-step process.
04:16:05
And yet we do want to expedite it.
04:16:07
So with that, I did seek the help
04:16:11
on guidance of Andrew Douglas and Jelaine Schmidt last week to talk with them about how could we both do this, expedite this, but also be respectful?
04:16:25
How can we be inclusive, at the same time be efficient?
04:16:31
And that doesn't then wind up doing double duty in terms of community engagement.
04:16:39
as we start bumping into the whole master planning process.
04:16:44
And so no surprise, there was a lot of really good thought and discussion.
04:16:50
And Ms. Schmidt is here to answer any questions.
04:16:54
But I think I would like to propose that the council commission Ms. Douglas, who's the director of the African-American Heritage Center, and Ms. Schmidt, who's now on our Historic Resources Commission.
04:17:08
Excuse me.
04:17:09
I'm sorry, doctor.
04:17:10
I'm very sorry.
04:17:11
I appreciate that.
04:17:15
And so they would be commissioned to actually craft the process to get us through the EJI four steps and also assist us in creating a process to establish a citizen review committee to help select
04:17:38
the consultant team that will ultimately do the master plan.
04:17:42
So if Dr. Schmidt would like to be able to come and present to us, and my sincere apologies for not making that proper reference.
04:17:54
It's just my ignorance, not my lack of respect.
SPEAKER_21
04:17:57
Good evening, Council.
04:17:59
So, as Mr. Murphy said, he's come before you and presented some of these materials already, and you've had a chance to review them.
04:18:07
I'm here, as has been mentioned,
04:18:12
There is this RFP out for submissions, you know, for the parks redesign, but it's kind of a need to move ahead a bit more quickly to do what we can now in the meantime before there are these redesigns and, you know, kind of thinking ahead.
04:18:28
and this is particularly for the marker that comes along for this for marking or memorializing this man who was killed.
04:18:39
This is something that's fairly easy to install and fairly easy to move.
04:18:43
So this is, you know, can be kind of thought of as a temporary placement for the time being and then when we get the RFPs and, you know, these submissions are cold and one is, you know, ultimately decided on and this can be,
04:18:55
rolled into that.
04:18:57
And in any case, so there are kind of two physical markers of the space.
04:19:04
One is the marker itself, a sort of plait, about yay big, you know, on a pole and this sort of thing, you know, set in cement.
04:19:09
And, you know, another is a kind of, it's almost, I mean, I think you saw the film that Mr. Murphy, you know, showed a while back where it's almost kind of, it's like, you know, six foot tall, you know, kind of
04:19:24
box-like that can be placed probably within this redesigned art design.
04:19:30
So the marker can be put in on a more accelerated time frame than that second piece, which is larger, bulkier.
04:19:40
and more thought once it is installed kind of needs to stay in place.
04:19:43
So I'm just going to lay out this kind of tentative schedule that Dr. Douglas and I are starting to work on and keeping in mind that we're still in the process of meeting with some of these local stakeholders including some of the educators, local educators here, school board members, teachers and parents.
04:20:04
And some of this ball kind of got rolling a little more quickly here because
04:20:08
A local parent approached Dr. Douglas and I after being dismayed that their child had come home from the public schools with a sort of lost cause narrative about the Civil War that in this parent's opinion, and we concur, that indicated a need for a bit more retooling, let's say, of our teachers who are fine but have a lot on their plate
04:20:34
and there are ways that council with its resources that are already allocated for public education and the teaching of African American history and the schools that this could assist with this in a way that doesn't tap the budget of the school board to do so, since you've already allocated that.
04:20:51
So, to proceed.
04:20:53
April, May 2018, Dr. Douglas and I would be writing texts for the historical marker plaque and then have the
04:21:01
Equal Justice Initiative or order this plaque then from the fabricator.
04:21:07
The request for city staff support for this would be to start the process or to contact the CNO Railroad to consult about the placement of one, the marker at the actual lynching site itself which was by the CNO Railroad at Ivy Crossing.
04:21:24
And in addition, we'd be, you know, consulting probably with the Historic Resources Committee of which I'm a member
04:21:30
and Board of Architectural Review on placement in the town with the possible collaboration of the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors, one of their supervisors has expressed an interest in having the county involved in this since it did occur within the jurisdiction of the court of Albemarle and of course the county owns that land.
04:21:50
around the courthouse.
04:21:53
So this would entail deciding the site of the in-town placement then.
04:21:57
So there would be two markers, two plaques, one at the actual site, which wouldn't be seen by many people aside from the occasional railroad worker or hunter or this sort of thing.
04:22:07
And then one that is in closer to the courthouse itself owing to the jurisdictional issues or the abrogation of the rule of law which took place there.
04:22:18
as an effort to kind of confront in place the Stonewall Jackson monument that is currently unshrouded again.
04:22:27
So, yeah, the understanding is the marker, the in-town marker may be moved, you know, pending redesign, but this is something that can be done sooner in a kind of stopgap measure.
04:22:39
April-May doing that.
04:22:40
May 2018, after consulting again with educators, which Dr. Douglas and I are doing this week and next, school board members, to attend the May school board meeting and request the teaching of more local African American and Civil War history.
04:22:56
In concert with the needs for teaching of Virginia history, we have
04:23:00
You know, two SOL's, standards of learning tests about Virginia history, one that's antebellum and one that's post 1865.
04:23:08
So this is something which can actually augment that which already needs to go on.
04:23:12
Anyway, but in any case, we certainly consult with educators about that.
04:23:19
And then use of the city council's already allocated funds for doing that in some sort of maybe teacher education, this sort of thing, professional development offerings in June 2018.
04:23:35
So pending collaboration with
04:23:37
with school district officials, perhaps an offering of teacher professional development to kind of retool instruction and curriculum on African American history, which you have already said is a priority, and local Civil War history and Virginia history.
04:23:53
Then, moving on into July of this year,
04:23:58
kind of ambitious and tentative sketching out of schedule, but collecting the soil sample from the lynching site at Ivy Crossing.
04:24:08
And the goal of this is to take this soil, actually you get two kind of jars of soil, one that is taken to Montgomery, Alabama, to the EJI Museum, and then they place it there, and then one that is retained by the town itself that goes within a kind of exhibit, which might accompany this module.
04:24:26
All right, this is this kind of larger piece.
04:24:28
So collecting the soil sample in July 2018.
04:24:31
And then, you know, an idea that Dr. Douglas and I had that we're kind of trying to put together, perhaps with some private funds, perhaps with support from some of you, would be a sort of civil rights pilgrimage of perhaps a tour bus of Charlottesville residents, including, of course, high school students, teachers, community
04:24:55
members, officials, you know, making a pilgrimage down to Montgomery to deliver our soil to the EJI.
04:25:05
And so this would be, you know, seeking private funds and also perhaps the
04:25:12
City staff support in the form of logistical planning, such as contracting with the tour bus company, reserving lodging, etc., you know, for the trip down there, several day trip.
04:25:24
And this would, again, would support the educational goals of teaching Virginia history, which is important for educational goals for the SOLs, as well as our own local goals about teaching African American history.
04:25:37
We could travel through
04:25:39
Appomattox, and Danville, which are significant sites, of course, in Civil War history, on through Greensboro, North Carolina, the Woolworth City encounter, et cetera, et cetera, all the way down to Montgomery.
04:25:55
And this will knit, hopefully, Charlottesville's own Civil War
04:26:00
and civil rights history with that of the larger South and teach that.
04:26:05
And this is a kind of twisted racial history which some have a tendency to distance Charlottesville from in a kind of self-congratulatory sort of way.
04:26:15
So this is a kind of reteaching.
04:26:17
ourselves of our own history.
04:26:36
giving our soil and then perhaps retrieving Charlottesville's memorial module.
04:26:41
And then February 2019, Black History Month essay contest for high school students.
04:26:47
This is funded by EJI.
04:26:49
That's part of their project on topics of African American history.
04:26:53
and then the winners would be announced March the 3rd at Liberation and Freedom Day, kind of tying that in with our new calendar that we're trying to develop to re-narrate the history of race in this town.
04:27:06
And then, you know, at some, I should back up that at, you know, any point after we get the fabricated marker that can be installed.
04:27:16
And EJI, I just talked with EJI staff today and they have indicated that this is not meant to be any sort of wooden
04:27:23
process that kind of ties us into strict sequential steps or something like that, so we can do that.
04:27:30
But the memorial module, perhaps the larger thing, that might be more appropriate for the redesign.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:27:43
Thank you, Dr. Schmidt and also Dr. Douglas and also Dr. Miss Galvin, Archite Galvin.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:27:53
I'm not going to go to school again.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:27:56
It's not fun, trust me.
04:27:58
But thank you all for your hard work.
04:28:00
When I originally sent the email a couple weeks ago and Mr. Murphy asked for clarification,
04:28:06
Really appreciate your thorough work.
04:28:09
I spoke to Brian Stevenson yesterday and he's really excited in regards to us moving forward.
04:28:15
He also wanted me to remind everyone that the museum opening
04:28:19
is on the 26th of next month, April 26th.
SPEAKER_21
04:28:22
That is the EJI Museum in Montgomery.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:28:27
Montgomery, Alabama, in which he invited us all to attend.
04:28:32
But one of the things that I think is really important in terms of us moving
04:28:37
forward with getting the marker up sooner rather than later is in lieu of what's transpired a couple of weeks ago with the court case and essentially since Judge Morris stated his opinion in regards to how certain laws may apply revolving statues being moved or not being moved we need to have something
04:29:00
that shows our community a tangible thing sooner than later that shows our community that we're trying to move in the right direction as best we can.
04:29:09
But then secondly, in regards to your, you and Dr. Douglas' very thought out and thorough plan about us moving us forward, we've allocated $15,000 from the equity package last year
04:29:20
to create a local African American history class for our schools.
04:29:27
Dr. Atkins stated at the NAACP meeting last week that there's interest in the course.
04:29:33
However, they need some assistance in terms of actually writing the curriculum.
04:29:38
The grant is essentially supposed to be allocated to handle that.
04:29:42
So I think it's definitely something that we can get the ball rolling, would be very much so beneficial to us.
04:29:48
And then in addition to that, I would like for us to have a conversation with the school board and even members of the State Board of Education about how we can get this class to be of the same weight as other history courses.
04:30:02
As I've been told from several CHS students, that's part of the reason why they don't take
04:30:07
the current African American history class doesn't mean as much.
04:30:10
It's not weighted the same way.
04:30:11
So those are things that are within our purview, not maybe us as a council, but our local school board's purview.
04:30:17
And again, I can't thank you all enough.
04:30:19
And Mr. Murphy, Dr. Schmidt, Dr. Douglas, Ms. Galvin, Mr. Jones, thank you all a whole, whole lot for getting us going.
SPEAKER_21
04:30:32
And if I can kind of insert something here, I think with the, perhaps, with the teacher professional development day or process that these kind of facts, these local facts, this is stuff that can go into the, you know, the Virginia
04:30:56
standards of warning test that they have.
04:30:58
I mean this isn't something that needs to diverge from this or distract, but rather it's an augmenting.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:31:03
Well we can't put it in the SOLs.
SPEAKER_21
04:31:05
Oh no, no, no, but this, you know, things like the TRIP and this, I mean this is something that it bolsters what's already going in, you know, not that our local questions are going to be on the SOL, but just that this is something that can
04:31:21
not only belongs in an African American history class, but all the, yeah.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:31:27
I mean well really technically it could, a lot of people don't know, you can actually opt out of the SOLs and then you appeal to your school board and then they have to provide you with an alternative equivalent, but maybe I'm getting too far deep down in the weeds.
04:31:41
In any event, I probably shouldn't have said that.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:31:45
If I could just kind of make a comment that it does sound like this could happen every year.
04:31:59
This is the class.
04:32:01
And that trip to Montgomery is part of that class and it happens every year.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:32:07
So Dr. Smith, I know you're writing your own, but in terms of how to create this curriculum where it's actually a true representation of history, I mean I don't think that we can
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:32:21
Like who would do that?
SPEAKER_21
04:32:23
Well, for instance, Kevin Levin, who's a historian of the Civil War, who does public history, and he specializes in exactly this, doing professional development.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:32:34
And fights on Twitter.
SPEAKER_21
04:32:36
And he fights on Twitter.
04:32:37
We follow each other, talk every day.
04:32:40
And this is literally what he does for a living, is does professional development for teachers.
04:32:46
I've already taught.
04:32:47
He used to live here for 10, 12 years.
04:32:49
He taught at Stabb.
04:32:50
I've talked to him.
04:32:52
He's available this summer.
04:32:53
You've got the money.
04:32:54
You've got the guy.
04:32:56
We can just kind of get people on board to want to do this.
04:33:01
So that's an input there.
04:33:04
We had several scholars that were presenting at Liberation and Freedom Day, myself among them, this march that presented on
04:33:12
local African American history and there are other resources as well for kind of general Virginia history, especially African American history in the Civil War and antebellum history of enslaved persons.
04:33:27
So there are some resources there that we kind of surfaced for Liberation and Freedom Day and then these other personnel that I've mentioned.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:33:39
I have one question for Dr. Smith.
04:33:41
So when we talked last week, we didn't toy around with the idea that you would come back to council when you had a more detailed or, I mean, in the few days since we talked, you've really developed the timeline a lot.
SPEAKER_21
04:33:57
Well, not everyone's been consulted in the depth that is necessary with the stakeholders.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:03
Would it be like in a month's time you could come back to us and just give us an update?
SPEAKER_21
04:34:07
Yeah, we're having meetings, that is Dr. Douglas and I are having meetings with school board members in the coming, actually tomorrow and the next week, so we'll be gathering more data there.
04:34:22
and also some resources from the Curry School as well, you know, folks that might be able to offer help with some of this, you know, curricular development type thing too.
04:34:34
So we're continuing to talk with stakeholders and it's, you know, might be like herding cats a little bit or, you know, but I think that with the carrot, you know, that you all have offered with the, you know, with the allocation of funds
04:34:46
for the teaching of this history, that's a significant resource there that kind of helps to push the ball along a little further.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:59
This is kind of a point of order, but because this is essentially an amendment to a resolution that council adopted in November, my feeling is that we need a motion
04:35:16
to make this commission because it's... Is it just a modification?
04:35:24
Just for the record, I think it's important that we unanimously agree to commission Dr. Schmidt and Dr. Douglas to do this work and that
04:35:45
also provide assistance with us in crafting that inclusive process to select the consultant team who's going to do the master plan.
04:35:58
I would feel that it needs to be on record.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:36:00
That, but I also would love for us to, I guess, specifically include the fact that we're expediting the process.
04:36:07
The EGI process.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:36:10
So I would just move to Commission Dr. Schmidt and Dr. Douglas to expedite the EJI process and craft a strategy and a timeline with staff assistance and that we would be updated in April.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:36:29
I second that.
04:36:33
Is there a budgetary impact?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:36:36
No, because we've already allocated the funds.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:36:41
Yeah, but what do you all need?
SPEAKER_21
04:36:43
Well, the EJI marker, and this is something that we brought up, I think, you know, when the BRC presented this and you okayed this, I think it was like 500 bucks or something for the marker, and then there would be city staff time, you know, with the maintenance crew for installing it, so there's that also.
04:37:01
It's fairly minimal.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:37:02
It's minimal.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:37:03
There's a million dollar budget for the parks.
04:37:06
No, I know that part, but since they weren't included in that budget, are you all?
SPEAKER_21
04:37:11
Who's they?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:37:12
You and Dr. Douglas.
04:37:14
Oh, well, we do this out of the goodness of our heart.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:37:16
That's what I was asking to make sure that we were.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:37:19
If there was something, but if you need something, like how do we?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:37:24
They can certainly work with the staff on that.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:37:29
For example, you're going to need to work out a budget for the bus for the pilgrimage.
04:37:36
We talked about that.
04:37:38
It would be great if we could figure out a way to pay for the students to go, but we as a city can't pay for everybody to go.
04:37:45
But there could be some ways to get assistance and contributions.
SPEAKER_21
04:37:50
Like a public-private partnership for that.
04:37:52
And yeah, certainly for the students and some educators to be going along would be great.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:38:05
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:38:07
Excellent.
04:38:16
Oh, second, is there?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:38:18
Yeah, I'll second it and then we'll move.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:38:20
Okay.
04:38:22
Okay and vote.
04:38:28
Good, I feel better about that.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:38:30
Counsel, the next item is a PowerPoint presentation.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:38:33
Okay.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:38:34
Is this the last item?
04:38:35
No.
04:38:36
No.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:38:37
Oh, I didn't see that.
04:38:47
Thank you.
REPORT: Investigative Detentions Update
SPEAKER_10
04:39:01
Good evening everyone.
04:39:03
Mayor Walker, members of council, Mr. Jones, it's a pleasure to be here.
04:39:08
Just as far as introductions are concerned, my name is Terry Dupuis.
04:39:11
I'm your interim chief and we are here to present the 2017 investigative detentions report.
04:39:19
If you'll bear with me as far as the presentation, I'm going to do a brief portion of it, then I'm going to have Captain Mitchell do the bulk of it.
04:39:29
My time here has been limited, so I wanted someone that's part of the Charlottesville Police Department to be able to answer any specific questions about the operations of the department.
04:39:39
And as we started taking a look at this, one of the questions that I had was investigative detentions.
04:39:47
Of course, I'm going to go into briefly what that is.
04:39:50
And then after that, really the numbers, we're going to take a look at the numbers.
04:39:54
and I wanted to frame it up in such a way as for everyone to understand exactly what that is and as far as volume.
04:40:02
In Charlottesville, the city, in 2017, this is for a 12 month period, we had a total of just shy of 50,000 community member encounters with the police and what that means is calls for service, traffic stops and things of that nature and as far as the
04:40:24
investigative detentions, that makes up about 0.2% of all the community encounters that we have.
04:40:31
So to keep that in perspective as we move along.
04:40:39
For the benefit of those in the audience that may not necessarily be able to read this, the investigative detention, it's a legal term.
04:40:48
Basically what it defines is a brief detention of an individual by a sworn law enforcement officer in order to investigate reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
04:41:00
and reasonable suspicion is built around a court case that was decided by the Supreme Court in 1968 and whereby it allowed officers to stop and briefly detain a person if based upon that officer's training experience, there's reason to believe that the individual is engaged in criminal activity.
04:41:20
The officer is given an opportunity to freeze the action by stepping in to investigate the crime.
04:41:26
Unlike probable cause that uses a reasonable person standard, reasonable suspicion is based upon the officer's standards based on experience and training and so forth.
04:41:41
This is something that so many people look at and stop and frisk.
04:41:46
And stop and frisk is designed for safety, primarily officer safety.
04:41:55
And it's a limited search of the individual or the person.
04:41:58
It's conducted for weapons.
04:42:00
But in order for that to exist, two things must happen.
04:42:03
The person must be lawfully detained based on the reasonable suspicion.
04:42:07
And the officer must be able to articulate
04:42:10
a belief that the person is armed and therefore dangerous.
04:42:16
Virginia Code section, and this is a code section that mandates sheriffs and chiefs of police to ensure that records are kept on arrests and part of the definition of arrest
04:42:30
includes temporary detentions.
04:42:33
So that's why the law mandates the coding of these type of recordings.
04:42:42
And at this time, I'm going to ask Captain Mitchell to come forward and go over the statistics and ask any specific questions.
04:42:51
I'll be here to answer.
SPEAKER_39
04:42:54
Mayor Walker, counsel, Mr. Jones.
04:42:57
You know, the Charlottesville Police Department
04:43:00
and in 2012 became one of the first localities to, became one of the first localities in Commonwealth Virginia to initiate a formal review process of its investigative detentions.
04:43:29
You know, as the Chief just spoke to, you know, there are requirements under Virginia law that requires us to maintain records.
04:43:37
They do not require us to review those records.
04:43:44
We're just required to keep them.
04:43:47
But again, the Charlottesville Police Department initiated this process of a formal review process.
04:43:54
The initiative was intended to ensure constitutional rights of all citizens were being upheld.
04:43:59
and to review the quality and legality of the stop.
04:44:07
An investigative detention with or without a frisk or search requires a police report when no other police action is taken by the officer.
04:44:19
The narrative must articulate the officer's reasonable suspicion leading to the stop, frisk or subsequent search and the events surrounding the incident.
04:44:31
the review process for incidents that don't result in arrest.
04:44:42
I mean, investigative detentions are reviewed by the supervisors and commanders to determine the quality of the stop and the adherence to the requisite legal standard.
04:44:55
When an officer completes a report or
04:45:00
makes a stop, completes a report.
04:45:02
That report is reviewed by a supervisor.
04:45:05
It is then reviewed later by the commander for the bureau that that officer works with.
04:45:14
Then corrective action is taken if needed.
04:45:19
And the corrective action can lead from training to dismissal, depending on the severity of the action.
04:45:28
Investigative detentions resulting in an arrest or citation are subject to judicial review.
04:45:40
Just to explain the supervisor review process, the reviewing supervisor shall ensure that the facts and circumstances provided by the officer meet the requisite legal standard prior to approving and further processing the report.
04:45:54
Under the command review, commanders shall conduct an inspection of all reports involving investigative detentions.
04:46:02
These reports or those reports which have failed to meet the requisite legal standard shall be returned to the approving supervisor for explanation, investigation, and appropriate remedial training or disciplinary action as deemed appropriate.
04:46:20
We train extensively on
04:46:24
issues involving the Fourth Amendment.
04:46:28
The Charlottesville Police Department regularly conducts trainings to ensure officers police in an ethical and legal manner.
04:46:36
We conduct training in bias-based policing, cultural diversity, constitutional rights, legal updates, strategies for youth, and CIT for crisis intervention training.
04:46:52
These are the numbers for 2017.
04:46:58
As you can see, the majority, you know, more than half, 66 incidents involve narcotics investigations.
04:47:10
And most of those are actually as a result of probable cause.
04:47:19
And just to give you how that comes about,
04:47:22
I mean, if an officer stops somebody for a traffic violation, approaches the car and smells the owner of marijuana, it now gives him probable cause to search the vehicle.
04:47:36
That, and again, I mean, that accounts for more than half of the incidents for stop and frisk.
04:47:48
This is the makeup based on race.
04:47:51
As you can see, you know, there was one Asian stopped, 91 African American individuals, 17 as a result of dispatch, 74 that were officer initiated.
04:48:10
There were five white individuals stopped based on dispatch, 28 officer initiated.
04:48:19
which you see the totals 22 and 103.
04:48:22
Stop incidents without a search and frisk, you can see those numbers as well.
04:48:28
African Americans 23 dispatched 8 officer initiated, Whites 10 dispatched 6 officer initiated for a total of 33 dispatched 15 officer initiated.
04:48:53
Any questions?
SPEAKER_10
04:49:07
What you've gotten from us right now is obviously some of the details.
04:49:13
I believe this is done once a year reporting out to city council.
04:49:17
I know that there are still some areas of concern, I know by the community and so forth.
04:49:23
I do want to make a comment though, since I'm not from this area, I've had considerable amount of experience in policing around the state of Virginia.
04:49:31
And I do need to commend the police department for taking on
04:49:37
such a rigorous analysis of the data that they collect.
04:49:42
I think that's important for you to understand that and I think as we continue to move on there are a number of other questions that we have.
04:49:51
I've had the opportunity to meet with Mr. Jones as it relates to the staff and everything as we move forward and try to analyze this data even more as we move forward.
04:50:03
I appreciate your time and I do want to commend
04:50:07
Mrs. Robertson really helped us quite a bit.
04:50:11
If you take a look at the agenda memo, that really has a good breakdown on what investigative detentions are, talks a little bit about the court cases, and I think it's a valuable tool for you to use in that respect.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:50:27
Thank you.
04:50:29
One of the things that
04:50:31
initially sticks out to me and before I put my questions up I will agree with you we're one of the few localities in the Commonwealth that decides to even put out this information and we definitely go a lot more thorough than other places but something that was brought up and thank you both Chief as well as Mr. Mitchell
04:50:54
When we look at the narcotics investigation, 66 incidents, 103 individuals, and there are only 120 incidents in general, or excuse me, in total, and then as we look at the breakdown in regards to the origins and the totals, I took a picture just so I could get it correct, 17 dispatched for African Americans,
04:51:25
74 officer initiates, which leads to 91 out of the total 125.
04:51:31
And African Americans only represent 19% of the total population in Charlottesville.
04:51:41
I'm struggling to find out how can a group make up 91 out of the 125 investigative detentions
04:51:55
and they represent less than a fifth of the population.
SPEAKER_10
04:52:01
The question, it's a valid question, an interesting question obviously.
04:52:05
One of the things that I did pose is you know we have it broken down into two categories and that is dispatch calls and officer initiated.
04:52:14
What we're not capturing is officers directed and I'll use this as an example.
04:52:19
It roll calls because of maybe a community concern
04:52:23
Officers may be sent to a particular area where they're going to be patrolling because it could be something, larcenies from cars and things like that.
04:52:33
And we're not breaking that out and calculating that.
04:52:37
So what you might find once, of course, it's an initiative that we're going to undertake,
04:52:43
Once you start taking a look at that specific piece, you may find the numbers as it relates to dispatch and officer initiated should change, I would imagine.
04:52:54
The reality of it is that the officers may be looking at and directed by their supervisors
04:53:02
I wouldn't dispute that based off of even just my experience with the housing authority.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
04:53:19
We've encouraged
04:53:21
We've talked to certain neighborhoods and people have said hey they want increased patrol so on and so forth so that would you know lead to a higher number as you just alluded to and that's not broken down based on neighborhoods but even if we just look at the officer dispatched right
04:53:37
there's 103 in total and 74 of them 74 of the 103 are officer initiated that's nearly 75% which even if we're just saying we're gonna look at certain neighborhoods that that's alarming for a variety of reasons I mean even when you look at the stop incidents without search and frisk we only had 48 of them in total and of that 48, 31 were African-American
04:54:07
and again, in a city in which we're only a fifth of the population, it just leads me to be concerned and I know that you all are doing everything you can to address it.
04:54:19
I just heard about the training in regards to the cultural diversity training and a variety of other trainings.
04:54:27
Are there other things that we can do in order to, I'm not just gonna say bring the numbers down, but how we can, I mean when the community hears this,
04:54:37
Just like myself, like I'm a black male.
04:54:40
Obviously, this makes me very much so alone.
04:54:44
How can we eradicate some of these issues?
04:54:47
How can we create better relations?
04:54:49
I mean, what are some of the solutions?
04:54:51
I'm interested in the solutions, not just fighting each other.
04:54:54
I want to figure out how we can get on the same page.
04:54:56
Sure.
SPEAKER_10
04:54:57
And I agree with you wholeheartedly on that.
04:55:00
I think you've taken a good step.
04:55:02
I believe you had a second reading today.
04:55:04
on the disproportionate minority contact here in the community.
04:55:09
I think where we really need to do a better job at is probably digging down deeper so we can get more data to groups to take a look at it and help us try to figure out if there's a better way for us to police this community.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:55:23
I think that's critical.
04:55:25
I think one of the things that we've talked about doing as well is
04:55:30
Chief Dupuy mentioned was digging further down into the data, especially in terms of like cause for service that we're also having within our neighborhoods, understanding of where are we seeing some of that activity that's being generated by folks who live in that community as well.
04:55:48
What are they concerned about and how do we address those issues?
04:55:52
And even earlier, before it ever
04:55:53
percolates to the point where it's a police issue.
04:55:56
It's more on the prevention side than anything else.
04:55:58
Proactive opposed to reactive.
04:56:00
Exactly.
04:56:00
And so that's one of the steps.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:56:02
I do think, if I may add, and I believe I'm going to be meeting with you tomorrow.
04:56:06
Yes, ma'am.
04:56:08
Because one thing that was troubling me for several years is the calls for guns, the calls for service for gunshots fired.
04:56:17
And you look at it by neighborhood, and it's very, very stark.
04:56:21
there's much higher incidents in some neighborhoods over another of just the gunshots.
04:56:27
And so that says to me that there's a level of danger and violence in some neighborhoods because of the gun activity.
04:56:34
So are you going to be cross-referencing that kind of information with this data?
04:56:40
Because to me, that really is a dangerous moment.
04:56:45
But again, to get back to what Councillor Bellamy is talking about,
04:56:50
I do remember getting this report from Chief Longo, so a few years ago, and the disparities, the disproportionality was very great.
04:57:02
And I don't have that data in front of me, but I don't see it has changed.
04:57:08
And we do want to drive those numbers down.
04:57:12
We do want to get down to the point where we're not stopping our young black
04:57:19
And it hasn't changed.
SPEAKER_39
04:57:22
It's been pretty consistent over the five-year period.
04:57:27
And look, there is no doubt that there is, based on population, that there is a disproportionate amount of minority contact across the criminal justice system.
04:57:39
Not just with the police.
04:57:40
I mean, it's across the criminal justice system.
04:57:43
I think the more important question is, is there a disparity in it?
04:57:49
And that's why we have formed panels like EBDM.
04:57:54
and the DMC to look at those things.
04:57:56
Those groups have been formed to look into these things from a more holistic perspective.
04:58:17
level.
04:58:17
I mean, not just the police looking at it, not just government officials looking at it, but like I said, just a lot bigger group looking at it to try and understand it.
04:58:30
Because to be honest with you, we don't know all the answers to it.
04:58:34
We know it happens.
04:58:36
We need to figure out why it happens.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:58:39
So this is part of like the
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
04:58:44
Major shift in the community mindset that we're going to have to go through to actually build some of the things.
04:58:51
So I don't have all the information
04:58:56
up right now, but from my meetings that I've attended the past few months.
04:59:03
So first, going back to 2012, there was a major difference in what I remember reading on why then Chief Longo made the decision to start looking at this data.
04:59:17
There was a potential call
04:59:22
from the state level that they would start looking at this data.
04:59:25
So it was more from what I recall to get ahead of it, to know out front what would be captured in that data.
04:59:38
And it was very different because at the same time, Sheriff Harding was talking about some of the things that we actually had to undo as a system.
04:59:49
You know, how he had contributed and how he wished he had been able to influence it differently.
04:59:58
So it's a very different response from those two individuals who had both served our local area for a long time.
05:00:06
So one is saying that we've done some things wrong.
05:00:09
and we need to change that versus Chief Longo, which is 2012, is what we're talking about, saying let's get a look at what might be a potential mandate from the state change.
05:00:23
And that's very different.
05:00:24
So that's first.
SPEAKER_10
05:00:26
to talk about.
05:00:28
I had a conversation, excuse me, don't mean to interrupt you, but I had a conversation with Chief Longo and was known him for a long time and especially in the 2012 time frame.
05:00:39
What precipitated a lot of this were the things that were going on primarily in New York City.
05:00:44
They had a program called Stop, Question and Frisk.
05:00:48
Chief Longo at the time saw that obviously there were certainly concerns there.
05:00:54
and he put forward this program.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:00:58
So there was not at that time a potential mandate coming from this?
SPEAKER_10
05:01:01
There may have been.
05:01:02
And I need to find my notes.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:01:06
I know I have them, but that's what I'm recalling.
05:01:09
And I remember that contrast, so I just want to say
05:01:14
Again, I don't know him that well.
05:01:17
I'm just saying from what I remember highlighting during that time, that was something that I remember.
05:01:25
But we also need to, so do we have the arrest and charge information from these detentions?
SPEAKER_39
05:01:33
So how many people were?
05:01:38
These detentions, nobody was in charge because this is people who were
05:01:41
We were stopped and there was no arrest.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:01:44
And that's where I was headed.
05:01:46
So again, we're talking about that's an issue.
05:01:50
So that means that you saw someone, not you, but an officer saw someone.
05:01:57
and they looked at a person and said, you, because of whatever reason, are, we need to check and see if you are committing a crime, have committed a crime and follow up on that.
05:02:09
So without there being a crime, that shows right there that there's major issues within this process and how it's not working.
05:02:18
So if these individuals have been charged, then you're more in line.
05:02:24
Right?
05:02:25
But since there was not a charge, since they were not detained, since it was only temporary, we should be having a very different conversation than the one that we have been having today.
SPEAKER_10
05:02:40
You know, neither Captain Metz or anybody on staff with the police department would disagree with a lot of the things that have been sent here.
05:02:48
We just don't have all the answers, we really don't.
05:02:51
And we're certainly willing to work with city council and members of this community to try to get some of those answers concerned.
05:02:59
You know, one of the things too, a different way to look at this is that because the officers saw something that they, based on their training experience, believed to be criminal behavior, investigated it, found out it wasn't, they walked away.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:03:16
No, but that's not okay.
SPEAKER_10
05:03:18
Well, it is in a sense, ma'am, simply because that way they're not making an arrest that's false.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:03:26
Let's see, even when an individual has that kind of interaction, and from our perspective, from a non-belief-selfish perspective, if I'm not councilman, I'm just a regular individual, it can be rather traumatizing in which you believe that you're just
05:03:45
doing their own thing.
05:03:57
and the police officer's eyes and maybe, hey, well, I was just checking it out.
05:04:02
No harm, no foul because everything is okay.
05:04:04
But Wes, that's not what's happening.
05:04:05
Hold on, hold on.
05:04:06
I understand.
05:04:06
But what I'm saying is from the individual what actually happens to, they're thinking, damn, I just got victimized by the police or bothered by the police for nothing.
05:04:16
And then that creates this further divide between us.
05:04:20
And I would agree with Mayor Walker.
05:04:22
We know nine times out of 10, that's not how it goes down.
05:04:26
There's some kind of conversation I'm assuming that's probably not a healthy one.
05:04:31
There are some words that are exchanged.
05:04:34
And it's not a very pleasant kind of interaction where just both sides just walk away.
05:04:42
And when we see these numbers where over 70% of these individuals look a particular way, that points to us having an issue that we really have to
05:04:52
to deal with.
05:04:54
And I don't know if it's retraining because you say that they may stop individuals based off of their training.
05:05:00
Is the training potentially biased?
05:05:04
I'm just trying to figure out what would make one choose to stop this particular subgroup so often.
05:05:12
And even as Captain Mitchell said, these aren't even individuals who are getting charges or going to jail.
05:05:18
They're just being stopped.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:05:20
If I could make another comment to kind of twist this cube around a little bit.
05:05:27
Given the high disproportionality, and these individuals weren't charged in a way, it strikes me that well over 50% of the time that the hunch on the part of the officer, based on that officer's training,
05:05:51
was wrong.
05:05:52
So in a way that if I as an architect was wrong over half the time, I would have a lot of failed beams and people getting hurt.
05:06:06
That's what I think we're kind of saying is that you look at those numbers, yeah, it didn't enter into an arrest, but based on the officer's training and experience, they were
05:06:19
their hunch was not correct over 50% of the time.
05:06:24
Does that make some sense?
SPEAKER_10
05:06:25
It absolutely makes sense.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:06:27
So something is not, like I said, if I missize the beam over 50% of the time, I would really lose my license as an architect.
SPEAKER_10
05:06:39
Sure.
05:06:42
No, I can't dispute anything you say on that.
05:06:44
I really can't.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:06:45
And I'm still going through some initial data, but I think from what I, this has been a lot of information over the past few months, but we've had, crime has actually been declining for the past 10 years.
05:06:56
I mean, I'm even going through this to see like the investment that we are still making.
05:07:00
in it.
05:07:02
And that's some of the information that's coming out of Neil Goodlow's work and the evidence base.
05:07:09
So we need to actually look at like why we're still policing in the same manner that we
05:07:17
Ben Polison, even shifting, I know we've shifted J-Task Force from the local level to the state level, but there still will be a very local impact that we need to discuss as a community.
05:07:30
And what we are not saying here is that, you know, individuals are being stopped.
05:07:37
and the hunch that they're going off of is skin color, right?
05:07:41
And that's it.
05:07:42
And we need to have a conversation about what that means in Charlottesville.
05:07:48
We often want to start having the conversation about it's happening across the country.
05:07:53
We're talking about why it's happening here.
05:07:55
We don't need to extend the conversation past that point.
05:07:59
And it's happening for the same reasons that it has always happened because of racism.
05:08:05
and that is the conversation that we need to have to move forward and heal this.
05:08:11
And the conversations about crime in the community have, Counselor Hill, do you remember in our social services where we talked about not that
05:08:23
And I'm sure the officers are aware of the calls they receive in this community that never make it to court.
05:08:30
I have witnessed those.
05:08:33
But when you're not called because of what neighborhood the call would come from,
05:08:41
So there's individuals based on primarily white neighborhoods and higher income neighborhoods that you all, there would be work for you to do there, but you're never called into those neighborhoods, into those homes.
05:08:53
And we know that too.
05:08:55
So the call to police an area, the reason why people are asking why there are gunshots, we need to have that conversation too.
05:09:11
and is over-policing a benefit or is it part of the issue that we need to be looking at when I'm talking about what I mean by holistically.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:09:30
I think one of the issues that we talked about earlier is trying to dig deeper into those calls for service data, especially the shots fired, that type of thing.
05:09:39
Because it does demonstrate a concern within that community.
05:09:42
Folks are hearing gunshots.
05:09:44
They are calling the police.
05:09:45
They are asking for more police presence.
05:09:48
So we've got to find the right balance there between wanting to service the folks who are calling and want to see more police officers with the concerns that people have over policing.
05:10:01
So how do you find the right balance?
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:10:02
Well, I don't think people are asking for more police officers.
05:10:05
We hear that.
05:10:06
They're asking for safety, right, if they feel
05:10:09
and we have to have the conversation about what is happening in these areas anyway and that's the sense of urgency that we need to bring to every conversation about equity that we're having in this community because until we address it on every level, the cause will continue to happen and they will impact the neighborhoods the way they have been.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:10:31
Absolutely and I think that gets back to the holistic approach to this.
05:10:35
Completely agree.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:10:36
But in the meantime, because that's a lot of work to do, we need to make sure that there is a call and that our police department understands that the way these stats have looked since the juvenile data came out through the DMC, that that's unacceptable.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:10:54
And one of the things, and that's why the adult DMC is so important, is because we have seen significant movement on the juvenile side of DMC.
05:11:03
Whereas 10, 15 years ago, we were averaging 200 arrests, period, in the city.
05:11:08
I believe two years ago, it was down to 28 arrests.
05:11:11
And the majority of those arrests two years ago were actually white juveniles and non-African-American juveniles.
05:11:17
So we've seen a significant drop.
05:11:19
That's why that DMC for adult.
05:11:21
So what are some next steps here?
05:11:46
Well, an important next step is what we're doing from a DMC side and continuing that work.
05:11:51
Another important step is to dig deeper into the data.
05:11:54
We've got a group of folks who will be doing that with the city manager's office, the police department, city attorney's office, commonwealth's attorney's office as well, looking deeper into that data that's out there and getting a better understanding of some of the issues associated with this.
05:12:09
and then it's also making sure that we're doing the right things in terms of training and then also the oversight that's part of this process as well having make sure that our supervisors are reviewing this data and reviewing the narratives when they're coming back and taking action when they notice that there are issues that have been raised.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:12:30
Obviously now we have an interim chief so it's a unique role but I think it's just really important as we're looking to the new leadership and it's a time to set
05:12:37
a culture, maybe a shift in culture.
05:12:41
And I really just also just believe there's a lot of value in relationship building and I'd love to hear as we look at the new leadership like how can we better bridge relationships between our law enforcement and our community that are productive, you know, meaningful things that those communities can get to know those officers beyond just seeing them from a distance.
05:12:58
And I understand that historically in this community we've had some time we've had that where officers are walking down the street and
05:13:04
saying hello to people on their porches and I just get the sense talking to the community that we've gotten away from that and there is these barriers, I mean, not real barriers but just virtual barriers that are between our law enforcement and especially our minority communities and I'm just interested in ways that we can do more of that relationship building and that community building.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:13:26
And so one of the major things that we need to make sure that we get right is our next police chief, right?
05:13:32
and we need to make sure that while there is a traditional way of policing that hopefully that person will understand the new call and the new movement that we need as a nation but that, you know, we are asking for here and someone with the strength to address some of the
05:13:59
issues that we saw in the reports both locally and at the state level within the police department because if there's not an understanding of team, then we will never be able to build what we need in the community.
SPEAKER_10
05:14:21
Thank you very much.
05:14:22
I appreciate your time.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:14:26
Well, this is an important report for the next police chief as well.
05:14:30
So thank you, Chief Dupuy, is it?
SPEAKER_10
05:14:34
Yes, ma'am.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:14:35
And the only request I'd make is that if we can start seeing this data longitudinally, and not just one year at a time, but over time.
SPEAKER_10
05:14:46
Yes, ma'am.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:14:46
Thank you.
05:14:47
We can do that.
05:14:47
Thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:14:54
Thank you, guys.
REPORT: Communications Update
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:15:02
All right, communication update.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:15:05
Good evening.
05:15:07
It's not morning yet.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:15:10
And you're not saying good afternoon.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:15:13
So it's been one month since I joined the city team and been learning a great deal.
05:15:18
I've received tremendous support.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:15:20
Brian, could you introduce yourself?
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:15:23
Brian Wheeler, Director of Communications.
05:15:25
Thank you, sir.
05:15:26
I've been learning a great deal.
05:15:28
I've received tremendous support from a lot of staff who are eager to communicate and engage with employees and the public in new ways.
05:15:39
So one week after getting here, I learned I'd be presenting to you tonight.
05:15:44
And then I had another week to complete a scan of some of the things I thought we could start doing as a department.
05:15:50
So I just want you to know this reflects really
05:15:53
just the first two weeks of effort in this report to you and then we're gonna grow it from here and get additional feedback and community input.
05:16:03
So one thing I've learned is the Communications Department is being called upon to do a whole lot of work on many things that touch the activities of council and many different departments.
05:16:15
I know you've read this report, so I'm just gonna give you a few highlights and then we'll focus on your questions and comments.
05:16:21
I enjoyed meeting with almost all of you.
05:16:24
Wes was out of town, but I met with four of the council members, got your direct feedback.
05:16:29
Wes has been giving me feedback all along over the past several months.
05:16:34
And I think what I heard from you was we can improve on things that we already have here.
05:16:40
We can improve our use of email.
05:16:42
We can enhance the streaming of our meetings.
05:16:46
I heard that council wants better engagement with the public.
05:16:50
and that we can utilize things like Facebook Live.
05:16:53
We can develop a capacity for you to take this show on the road, so to speak, so that we can film and broadcast other meetings that you have like our Hour Town meetings.
05:17:06
We can also put cameras in other venues like City Space.
05:17:11
I met with somebody who suggested the Jefferson School.
05:17:14
would be a good place to have cameras mounted for covering events that happen there.
05:17:19
Not only our city events, but just capturing on public television other things happening in that space.
05:17:26
I heard a number of you mention the Citizen Relationship Management software, Excella, and what we're calling My Seaville.
05:17:34
That's going to be released next month.
05:17:36
So that's something that's already well underway by Mike Murphy and his team and other staff.
05:17:44
I also know that the main reason this was teed up for council was to talk about online civic engagement tools, and that's something that I will give a little attention to.
05:17:55
As I joined the staff, what I learned was there was already a team of employees, the innovation team, that was studying communications in a very in-depth fashion, so I got a detailed report from them about what the employees' priorities were.
05:18:09
when it came to communications.
05:18:11
If you've read the employee survey, you saw that communications was an area that needed attention.
05:18:18
And these employees, much to my excitement, had given a lot of thought to what their priorities would be.
05:18:25
Number one was social media.
05:18:27
Now, they were thinking of this as a tool for staff-to-staff interactions.
05:18:32
Increased use of email.
05:18:35
Email being kind of a double-edged sword in their mind that some people feel overwhelmed by getting too much email, but many employees felt like they were out of the loop on work of council, major projects, and they wanted to be kept in the loop.
05:18:51
I've sent a number of all staff emails in the past several weeks, and I'm shocked at how many people come up to me and just say, thank you for letting us know about that.
05:19:00
And they were surprised that
05:19:03
You know, that hadn't been done in the past.
05:19:07
So their conclusion was that the Office of Communications needs to play a larger role on the employee side of the equation.
05:19:16
And what I would argue is that the city also needs a unified strategic external communication strategy.
05:19:25
Now many of the things the employees identified are also things
05:19:28
I think that we can do better when we engage the community.
05:19:32
So email, social media, those are some of the things that we've tried to do immediately here in the past several weeks to show you that this department has some capacity to do some of those things.
05:19:46
The rest of the memo I tried to break out both short-term initiatives, things I think we can do between March and June, and then longer-term initiatives.
05:19:54
And again, this is just after a quick scan and your feedback and feedback from my communications team and then the staff that I've met with.
05:20:04
So we launched, over the weekend, City Notes, a new email newsletter.
05:20:08
And I think having a branded email newsletter
05:20:11
is a way that we can reach the public and our employees with a professional looking piece of communications.
05:20:19
So we will do that for things coming out of neighborhood development, whether it's an announcement about an upcoming meeting.
05:20:27
These will become their official notices of Planning Commission, Board of Architectural Review, PLACE, task force related meetings.
05:20:36
So we'll start using that template and brand to communicate with the public.
05:20:41
It also lets us build up a much bigger list of email addresses of people who want to engage with us and we can get them in their preferences what topics they want to be informed about so we can sort of dial in the communications in that way.
05:20:57
So that is already in progress.
05:21:00
Social media.
05:21:02
One of the things I had to do immediately was get the cobwebs off of Twitter and Facebook and to a limited degree we've been doing
05:21:09
and some of that, both around your meetings and then with events in between.
05:21:13
And so to do it at that level, there's not a lot of additional cost.
05:21:18
One of the things I suggest is if we want to do a lot more social media and engage people that way and really have it be a conversation where we're inviting people in, getting their feedback, that takes a dedicated person, in my mind.
05:21:32
It takes a special talent to be able to engage people on those platforms.
05:21:40
In my work at Charlottesville Tomorrow, I realized that that was somebody we needed as a separate staff member to help with that.
05:21:52
Another piece of
05:21:55
Another thing that we've tried to do quickly is get a better understanding of how the calendar is put together on the city website.
05:22:01
And so I've learned that I'm the webmaster.
05:22:04
So I've figured out that I can modify anything.
05:22:08
So if you see something that's out of place, let me know.
05:22:10
And we will fix that.
05:22:12
Nancy Carpenter brought up a page she thought was out of date tonight.
05:22:16
And I shared with her that that had been updated last week.
05:22:19
So we're trying to be aggressive putting out
05:22:21
Those fires, so to speak, can get things up to date and current.
05:22:24
So looking at the calendar, Mr. Jones has asked me to send out a message to the leadership team to get them making sure their calendars are up to date within each department, but it's an ongoing process and that takes resources as well.
05:22:40
As far as streaming these meetings, we're doing a number of things.
05:22:43
We're piloting Facebook Live.
05:22:46
We've done this meeting tonight, Gavel to Gavel, on Facebook.
05:22:49
And we're also going to look at the existing Granicus feed that's another online streaming service that we use to update that to make it high definition and improve the quality of that.
05:23:02
So we want to be in multiple places.
05:23:04
And of course, we'll still be on channel 10.
05:23:09
I'll skip ahead here.
05:23:12
As far as the online civic engagement platform, that's something I'd like to get some more feedback from you.
05:23:20
I would just point out that a lot of what we're doing with our tools today in the toolkit
05:23:26
are online and they're trying to engage the community into two-way conversations.
05:23:32
I'm answering questions on the Facebook Live feed as people are making comments tonight.
05:23:37
That's a way of engaging people in your work.
05:23:41
The surveys that we've done for the parks renaming survey, that's a way we can engage the community and get their ranking and we look forward to sharing that information with you next month.
05:23:52
So we have some of those tools in place
05:23:54
and another thing I've had to learn quickly here is that
05:23:57
If you start looking at other technology that we want to bring into City Hall, if it costs over a certain amount of money, there's a process to go through.
05:24:07
So a request for proposals or a request for quotation on some of these things.
05:24:12
So I know there's been a lot of anticipation about what new tools we might use, and I look forward to working with you to make sure we have the right set of specifications and that we're asking these vendors to deliver a package that will best meet our needs.
05:24:28
I'm going to stop there and see what kinds of questions you have.
05:24:35
But thank you for inviting me to share it.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:24:38
So city notes, we'll start with something pretty straightforward.
05:24:42
I think once we kind of get that up and running, I think it's very important for us to really just be outward bound with the community and offering, letting them know this is available to them just to kind of act in it.
05:24:51
There is more of a customized approach because some people do feel overwhelmed with things they don't want to hear about, but it sounds like you're able to kind of fine-tune if there's specific areas of interest, they're only going to get those notifications, but
05:25:01
We just want a strategy for making sure that once we feel like it's kind of humming along that we're really getting out there and letting the community know how to sign up for that and then but I also like that to kind of go in hand-in-hand with the feedback mechanism that's tied to the CRM management system because not only do I want us to put the information out there but I want to be asking like can we get your feedback but that feedback just can't come to us in the form of an email or it's just gonna be
05:25:24
very overwhelming.
05:25:25
It needs to be coming through this system because a lot of it is going to be staff driven and some of it will be council driven.
05:25:30
But it's just really important to me that those things are really connecting to each other.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:25:34
Are you talking about emails to council?
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:25:37
I'm talking about right now just the city notes.
05:25:40
If people are getting that city notes and we're telling a lot of stuff, I would like to have a feedback mechanism to those like, you know, click here if you want to provide feedback with it.
05:25:47
It then needs to kind of be able to be filtered through into
05:25:51
our customer relationship management system because they're telling us something and we're prompting them to tell us something because we're giving them information but we have to have it come back in a form that's not just an email reply back to you or to whomever because that's just going to be a manual mess.
05:26:03
So I'm just waiting to see what the CRM system looks like when it's implemented.
05:26:06
I've been really anxious about that for a couple years.
05:26:09
So I just really think that we need to have automated ways for these things to be flowing through so that they're getting to the right person
05:26:17
because responsiveness is an issue and I just think it's one that we have to take on as a team, as a team of counselors as well as a team of staff to really be responding to our community's questions and priorities.
05:26:31
In addition to their ideas, I think a lot of times ideas come in and they can fall short and so I'm just really interested in us leveraging technology to get there, to bring that full circle.
05:26:41
In terms of the website, how do you feel about our current website platform?
05:26:45
Let's just pretend that it wasn't something we've recently read.
05:26:49
reformatted.
05:26:50
I mean, just I know that some investment was made in time.
05:26:53
I just really continue to personally struggle with it.
05:26:55
Sure.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:26:56
Yeah, when I look at other cities, I see things that look much more attractive, right?
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:27:00
I'm more about the functionality.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:27:02
Yeah.
05:27:03
I think that's a probably a second tier kind of project.
05:27:08
For me, I think there's a lot of things we can do with our existing site.
05:27:12
Part of that involves
05:27:14
training of staff and making sure they are confident organizing their information and thinking about from the public's perspective, you know, what are they coming to the site looking for and how can we best direct them to those resources.
05:27:30
So I'm open to changing anything and I'd like to look at what other options we might have.
05:27:38
I think there has been a huge investment in
05:27:42
getting that site where it is today.
05:27:44
And I think we need to look at the pros and cons of making that switch and what the cost would be on a whole lot of staff to have to rebuild everything from scratch.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:27:55
Just assuming we still have the same platform, how do we see kind of protocols being developed with staff so there's consistent updates that we don't have all the latest and greatest information available for this department while meanwhile this other department just isn't able to kind of keep up with it.
05:28:09
I just think we have to have consistency because otherwise people are gonna not really understand like where do I even go for the most up-to-date information.
05:28:15
We have to really be delivering that everywhere consistently.
05:28:17
I'm just trying to determine what is your vision for how we work with staff
05:28:22
to have that consistency and for us to understand what resources it's going to take to keep that up to date because I do think it's a huge place for our community to go and too often I feel like we don't have the current information available and it gets people confused about what are we actually voting on and is this the latest plan for the site, whatever circumstances it is, it's just important that it's up to date and that it's consistent.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:28:44
Yeah, I think what we've run into is that we have liaisons for each one of the departments who have responsibilities for updating the website, but that's not a primary responsibility for any one person.
05:28:56
So the question is how do you incorporate that into job descriptions for very specific
05:29:03
for very specific jobs.
05:29:05
And that's something that Brian and I have had that discussion there.
05:29:08
We have some folks who in some departments have a lot of expertise in web content management and they have an interest in it.
05:29:16
And it's something they can do.
05:29:17
Some departments have communications folks who that's part of their job.
05:29:21
Other departments do not.
05:29:22
It's, you know, someone's, you know, a quarter of their time is spent on that or even less.
05:29:27
And we need to formalize that in a way so that they can spend more time on that and find the folks within those departments who have that experience.
05:29:35
And then also, like I said before, build that into a job description so that when you're looking for someone, you're advertising, you're looking for people that have that type of experience in their background as well.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:29:47
I think different website platforms make it easier for just like more of an, you know, someone who, I don't know a lot about programming, but there's some interfaces I've used with websites that are a lot more easy to pick up and go with, so I think as we, if we do take that next step to look at a different platform, I think how easy it is for the user end, for those staff members to be able to just kind of go in as if it's, you know, Microsoft Word, if that's what they're comfortable with, it's just that simple of a change.
05:30:10
and then the last, well I mean many other things but just for tonight, open data is something that obviously the city has started to embrace and it has certainly been an effective engagement tool and I'm just interested in what your thoughts are on that and ways that we can even further robust that.
05:30:25
I think there's a lot of people in the community who are data-driven and want to be involved and see this is a really great way to kind of look at how the city is doing things and to have that information and help us with the decision-making we have so
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:30:35
The Economic Development Department has been involved in an initiative on the open data front and I think that's great that those things are happening.
05:30:45
I need to look for ways with the data that I'm involved with how can we make that easier for people to access.
05:30:53
One easy thing we can do is create RSS feeds.
05:30:57
So we've already created one for the calendar and for press releases and we're sort of testing those now but we'll make those available.
05:31:04
But that's an example of a simpler open data kind of initiative.
05:31:08
You can't query it.
05:31:09
It's just here's everything on this channel.
05:31:13
But it's one way we can get data into the hands of people that they can then consume it the way they want to.
05:31:20
Do they want to bring those feeds into Outlook?
05:31:23
Do they want to bring it into a feed reader or some other application?
05:31:26
So you're going to find me very supportive of open data and trying to find ways we can share everything.
05:31:33
One example that Lisa Roberts and I looked at, or one of her staff, we looked at a Freedom of Information Act software platform, which would be a portal that we could then, as a request comes in, like the CRM system, there's a workflow engine built into it, it's easier for staff to manage a specific
05:31:56
request and know who's responsible for fulfilling it on schedule within five business days.
05:32:02
But it also has the ability to then publish the results so that they're public.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:32:08
Oh, good.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:32:08
So one idea is that your FOIA request would all be public and on the web.
05:32:14
And then the public can go search for a topic and see if maybe their request has already been answered.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:32:20
It's a tracking mechanism.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:32:22
Well, they would just search and, you know, it has this keyword.
05:32:25
as anyone else asked for that kind of data.
05:32:27
And they might see a similar request that already answers the question.
05:32:32
And so that's good for staff and managing our time answering these requests.
05:32:38
I have been shocked at the volume of FOIA requests that come in to this office over the past month.
05:32:44
And there are a whole lot of staff involved in answering these questions.
05:32:50
It's a very time-consuming, detail-oriented process that also needs a software solution to help us.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:32:58
I think it's safe to say that that pattern is going to continue.
05:33:00
So I think it will be worth that investment.
05:33:03
Cool.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:33:03
Thank you.
05:33:05
I guess I just have, again, thank you.
05:33:08
I've seen a positive change already.
05:33:10
So it's been appreciated.
05:33:12
And a lot of people have said that.
05:33:13
And the city notes is great.
05:33:18
just something concise.
05:33:20
Send it out.
05:33:21
People can click on, find the agendas.
05:33:25
I've been sending out my own agenda notices for these years and this will be wonderful just to forward it on.
05:33:33
And then you'll get more emails and compile your greater directory.
05:33:40
So I just want to get a better sense of that CRM because right now
05:33:47
Right now the public does send every complaint is copied to council.
05:33:55
I mean everything, all kinds.
05:33:59
And so I will on my own, I'm sure we all kind of do in our own way, I kind of watch and wait.
05:34:07
Is anyone responding?
05:34:08
Because we don't know who's responding.
05:34:11
And we don't, but Mike Murphy steps in and he's been, he was a major change.
05:34:16
for the better.
05:34:17
And I think Wes will agree that it was a moment before Mike Murphy.
05:34:23
This was really horrific.
05:34:26
And so Mike took it over and started at least channeling them to the right people.
05:34:32
But then I would notice some weeks have gone by, and I'm still seeing this tussle going on.
05:34:40
And it's not getting fixed.
05:34:42
It's not getting resolved.
05:34:44
So how will we know the CRM?
05:34:46
And then I will, I'm sure all of us do, we step in.
05:34:51
Somebody's got to broker this situation.
05:34:53
Somebody's got to get people to solve the problem.
05:34:58
And so how will we know that the CRM is still achieving that problem solving that is so essential for customer satisfaction?
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:35:06
I think you'll know when you stop getting emails from the public saying, help me with this, right?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:35:12
But is it just that it's going into this black hole that we will never see again and it's only until town halls that we find out that everyone's still angry or what?
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:35:22
So this is, you know, I'm not going to speak for Mike and Mr. Jones might have some information here, but
05:35:28
Initially, it's going to be focused on neighborhood development and public works.
05:35:32
And so those departments are the ones testing it right now.
05:35:37
We have scheduled the release.
05:35:39
I'm not going to say it because I'm not sure Mr. Murphy wants that public yet, but we have scheduled the release of My Seaville and that app and the CRM software.
05:35:49
So that will be next month.
05:35:52
And I think, again, what
05:35:55
what your involvement is and your visibility, I can't speak to that as far as what you'd be able to see as a member of council, you know, looking into that system.
05:36:05
But I think in general what your hope would be would be people would stop bringing those things to your attention because it's going into a system, and I've seen it demoed, where they get an immediate response back that says we got your message, it's on, you know, this
05:36:21
And we can click in at some point and get like progress reports, find out that things have been done in a certain amount.
05:36:34
So the person who's made the report would be able to see exactly where it is in the process and then I believe management here would be able to sort of watch the tickets overall and you know what state they're in.
05:36:46
I haven't seen that part of the system.
05:36:48
But that's the general idea of any of these
05:36:50
CRM platforms.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:36:52
So this is just where information is going, but not, people can still, I still want to get my emails, even if I don't respond to them.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:37:01
Oh, we'll still get emails.
05:37:03
Yeah, you'll definitely get emails.
05:37:05
I think what Brian is saying is that there are a lot of emails that come in through council at charlottetool.org that are really operational issues, right?
05:37:12
There's a concern about, you know,
05:37:14
a sidewalk repair or something like that or a pothole and instead what we're going to try to get folks to go to the CRM and get that addressed that way instead of through email and it's a much more efficient way of getting it done because folks will be connected directly to particular departments so when that when that comes in that information comes in not only will they get an automatic reply but it automatically goes to the right folks who have to address that issue
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:37:44
And can they get an email or something like a survey?
05:37:47
Was your request satisfied?
05:37:49
That is something that we can do.
05:37:51
Yes, it is.
05:37:52
I agree with that.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:37:53
They've got to get some response that... Where they can give us some feedback on how... Once it's been closed, you know, that type of thing.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:38:01
And that speaks to what Ms. Hill mentioned as far as getting data on, you know, what's coming into that queue and how responsive the organization is being.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:38:12
And we can provide, we'll provide counsel with a demo on this at some point in the next month or so.
05:38:20
The hard part is we don't want to delay launching it until then because we have so much going on.
05:38:28
But we do want to provide a demo to you so you can see it in action.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:38:32
But it is operationally focused and that's why I was talking to council at the start of the year about having an interface that would help us even manage the inbound that comes to council.
05:38:41
It is more council needs and then we can push into CRM, those things that are operational, but yet we still have a place to maintain understanding who has responded because we all don't need to respond.
05:38:50
Because right now we just don't have visibility to that.
05:38:53
But like I said, and this is all on me, it has to go through an RFP process at this point.
05:38:57
just so we can have the continuity after the first year.
05:39:01
And I also just wanted to verify after Brian got a sense for the CRM system, like, you know, make sure we're not being redundant in anything that we're pursuing.
05:39:08
And I'd already, I mean, Mr. Murphy and I had talked about that at length at the very beginning, but I just want to make sure, so.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:39:16
Okay, thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:39:17
Can we, just one question.
05:39:21
Well, y'all asked 20, I know I can ask 20.
05:39:22
No, it's fine.
05:39:23
Thank you.
05:39:24
Just one question.
05:39:26
I'm tired.
05:39:27
I'm tired of you.
05:39:30
Can we get the YouTube video?
05:39:36
Is that something that we'll be able to do?
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:39:38
You're talking about like the meeting recaps?
05:39:40
The council recaps.
05:39:42
One of the things I think we can do with this department, and just keep in mind the communications department is small for people, right?
05:39:50
and two of them are entirely focused on public access television and its programming, right?
05:39:57
The production and programming of public TV.
05:40:00
And then Joe Rice and myself are the other half of the department.
05:40:04
So the good news is three of the four staff have a lot of television background.
05:40:10
So I think we can do more on that front and we just need to
05:40:13
figure out the right time and to launch something like that when we know we can keep consistent with the resources to do it.
05:40:21
Maybe by the summer?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:40:23
Yeah.
05:40:24
Like, I mean, because people operate through deadlines, so like if we could think about after the first meeting in June, that's roughly three months.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:40:36
Leslie Beauregard showed me the Broken Arrow Oklahoma website and they had some really good examples of what you're talking about with a YouTube sort of recap, five minutes.
05:40:49
I was the city manager and the communications director talking about what happened at the meeting and I think that content would be valuable to the community.
05:40:57
and Joe Rice has shown me a number of things that they've done in years past with their own video production and so I know they've got the talent to do it.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:41:08
Secondly, I never give the county props, well since I've been in this position, anyway, but I do like the fact that they turn their meetings into podcasts.
05:41:19
Is that something that we could look at doing, posting our meetings as podcasts on the website and we could just send out the link, let people check them?
05:41:30
Everybody's listening to podcasts these days.
Brian Wheeler
Director of Communications
05:41:32
Yeah, I don't know if people want to listen to a four-hour podcast, but I do think having that audio...
05:41:39
There's one person in here who I know...
05:41:42
I do think having that audio available is a good option, especially for your meetings that are not televised, right?
05:41:50
So, for example, the budget work session, we're going to post that audio from the last work session.
05:41:56
You post it as an MP3 or what?
05:41:59
Okay.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:42:07
We're talking about like operational I just and we miss camp earlier at some point Mr. Jones, but we're talking about as you look to prepare for
05:42:22
you know what could take place in the summer ahead.
05:42:25
I think that crisis management and the communications around that are going to be really important for a variety of stakeholders and I think at some point it would just be great to have your input on that along with the more broader perspective from the city manager's office.
05:42:38
because I for one just feel like that was a big gap as a neighborhood leader at the time as well as resident and then just recognizing that many neighborhoods throughout the community felt that way as well as other stakeholders both before and during and then following up.
05:42:55
I know staff has felt concerns on the follow-up and the internal side too.
05:42:58
So it would just be helpful to understand both internally and externally what does that look like.
05:43:03
in any circumstance that we find ourselves in a crazy situation.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:43:07
And that would be part of the overall plan.
05:43:10
I hope so, yeah.
Heather Hill
Vice Mayor, City Council
05:43:12
I will get some.
05:43:14
Okay.
Rosia Parker
05:43:14
Thank you.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:43:15
Thank you very much.
05:43:21
All right.
OTHER BUSINESS
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:43:22
Other business?
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:43:25
Just one item for me.
05:43:28
Ms. Robertson, in regards to 10-11 East Jefferson Street, it's my understanding that based off of what they have presented to the Planning Commission, the scope of the project has changed a great deal.
05:43:45
And I wanted to know two things.
05:43:48
One, why didn't they have to come back to us in regards to what I consider to be significant changes?
05:43:54
And then secondly, based on those changes, would it be possible for us to ask the Planning Commission to look at it again, or could we have the developers come back to us?
05:44:05
Because I'm honestly really concerned with the fact that they looked us in the eye and said that we're going to put the affordable housing units on the site.
05:44:12
I just saw something that is completely offsite now.
05:44:15
They've made a lot of different changes.
05:44:18
So I'm just looking for some insight in regards to that.
SPEAKER_26
05:44:23
When you talk about there being substantial changes, you have to be clear about what date those changes are from.
05:44:33
So the developers brought forward a project to the Planning Commission last year, and the Planning Commission recommended denial.
05:44:45
There was a period of some time, some amount of months, in which the developers
05:44:51
sort of went back to the drawing board and considered their options.
05:44:55
They moved some massing of the building around.
05:44:58
And when they were ready to come forward again, that building that came forward to city council on the special use permit did look very different than what had been presented to the planning commission.
05:45:15
There's no doubt about that.
05:45:17
But it didn't, and I'm sorry for my voice,
05:45:22
It didn't have a different density.
05:45:24
It didn't have different uses.
05:45:27
And the building height was still well within the by-right height allowed by the zoning district because of that odd building wall averaging provision that we had, which was not removed from the ordinance until months later.
05:45:44
So when it came forward, the usual
05:45:48
Triggers that legally required something to go back to the Planning Commission weren't really there.
05:45:56
Council could have referred the application back to the Planning Commission, but instead in July of 2017, City Council went ahead and put it on its agenda.
05:46:08
and had an additional public hearing at that time.
05:46:12
And then the special use permit was approved with that revised building design.
05:46:20
Once that approval was had, unless the approval of the special use permit was challenged within a specific period of time, the legal limit is 30 days from the date of the decision, that decision becomes final.
05:46:37
And as they move forward through the site plan process, the question is whether the site plan accurately represents the development that was actually approved on Council's decision on the SUP.
05:46:54
So it's whether there's a difference between that July special use permit approval, not whether there's a difference from the original development that went to the Planning Commission.
05:47:08
A few months ago, or a couple months ago, the developers brought forward a preliminary site plan to the Planning Commission.
05:47:17
And the Planning Commission noticed that it had an addition.
05:47:23
And they said, this does not match what was approved.
05:47:26
So the developers took the addition out.
05:47:30
And what came back to the Planning Commission the other night, they had to decide again, is what's in front of me.
05:47:38
without the addition what was represented in the special use permit approval.
05:47:46
And the question is not necessarily is it absolutely identical because as you develop a project over time, it's always going to have more details.
05:47:55
The question is whether it's an accurate representation on a site plan which has a lot of engineering details of the uses,
05:48:05
the overall building massing and design and the height and some of the other factors that get presented in the special use permit application materials.
05:48:19
So in my opinion, there are not grounds to reopen the special use permit approval and the time for challenging that passed last summer and the site plan approval
05:48:35
is typically something that is an ministerial administrative decision.
05:48:42
And appeals from the Planning Commission's decision on a site plan approval go directly to a circuit court.
05:48:50
Typically, those are brought by a landowner who isn't happy with the decision.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:48:59
But the fact that the, for me, most people know I'm a stickler for
05:49:05
Affordable Housing Units.
05:49:07
And the fact that they told us that the units would be built on site and there would be units in the project and that is no longer the case, in my personal opinion, that's a significant change because that was essentially the only reason why I voted for it.
05:49:22
So now that the fact that the units aren't going to be on site, that's not grounds enough for us to be able to bring it back or at least ask the developer, what's going on with this?
05:49:33
That's not enough.
SPEAKER_26
05:49:34
So the issue there is you have to make sure to look at the conditions of an application that's in front of you.
05:49:44
The legal rule, the minimal rule, is that under our ordinance you don't have to actually choose whether you're going to provide onsite or offsite units or the cash until you actually make application for a building permit to get started.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:50:04
But isn't that rather devious?
05:50:06
They told us that they would and then because technically...
SPEAKER_26
05:50:09
It is, but you all have to, you all have to go through the, you can't necessarily make them do one thing or another, but if they're representing that it's always fine to say, well where in this application have you made that commitment?
05:50:26
You may not be able to impose that upon them, but if they're standing in front of you telling you that's what's going to happen, you're looking for
05:50:34
some sort of representation from them that they've agreed to be part of the conditions of the approval or something that they've volunteered.
05:50:45
If they haven't done that, you go back to sort of the minimum legal requirement, which under this special legislation that we got at the General Assembly years ago requires the decision to be left with the landowner as to whether it's going to be units or whether it's going to be cash and what the timing of that's going to be.
05:51:08
It can't be any later than when they apply for a building permit.
Wes Bellamy
Member, City Council
05:51:13
So essentially we're just stuck.
05:51:15
Yes.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:51:16
So we can go, so even for future developments, we can go through this entire process and they not have to fill their commitment.
SPEAKER_26
05:51:24
Well, their commitment is that they have to either provide cash or units, and they have to do that.
05:51:30
The question will be what that choice is, and they don't have to make that choice until they're ready to apply for a building permit.
05:51:39
This particular decision that was in front of the Planning Commission was a preliminary site plan approval.
05:51:46
it's not until they are finished with their final site plan approval that most likely they'll be anywhere near ready for a building permit.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:51:56
So if we, and I'm now thinking of one second, if we are asking for more of a contribution than is required by law, and the developer is saying that they're going to agree to that, if they change their mind
05:52:14
in the process because it's not a legal requirement.
05:52:19
There's nothing that we can do at that point.
SPEAKER_26
05:52:21
So I think that when someone stands in front of you and says, I'm offering you something that I'm not, I'm offering this to you.
05:52:29
I'm not required to do it by law, but I'm offering it.
05:52:33
Your question should be, well, where, where in these materials in front of me am I seeing that promise from you?
05:52:39
And typically for a special use permit, that would be in a set of conditions.
05:52:44
But it's important that that person making the representation is agreeable to that, because we can't necessarily compel somebody to provide more than the law requires them to.
05:52:56
But if they're offering, it should appear in that list of conditions.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:53:00
So once it's in writing, we can enforce it.
05:53:04
That's right.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:53:05
And that wasn't put in writing for 1011 East Jefferson.
SPEAKER_26
05:53:09
Right, and my recollection is that their words were chosen carefully, that it was, at least my recollection from the Planning Commission meeting was that
05:53:28
something to the effect of they were exploring it or that would be their intention but they weren't actually committing to it.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
05:53:37
There was a similar conversation to the city council meeting as well.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:53:43
Well I can't resist this opportunity and I do sound like a broken record but
05:53:48
The conversations that we began in September about the form-based code within the heart of the SIA are really, really significant for future zoning reform.
05:53:59
Because we have gotten this situation, when we get back working with the residents on this form-based code, the idea of using height bonuses as opposed to density bonuses, where the height bonuses only provided
05:54:18
is only granted provided that units are built on site is the closest thing we can get to inclusionary zoning under Virginia code.
05:54:27
So I think it's gonna be really important that we watch that, learn from it, because this song and dance is wearing everybody out, spending a lot of time and money, it's inflating our land values, and it's not getting us where we want.
05:54:44
The zoning is just not working.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
05:54:50
Any other comments?
05:54:53
All right, matters by the public, any comments?
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
SPEAKER_04
05:55:02
Dan Brown, former Charlottesville resident, current county resident.
05:55:10
Counselor Bellamy and the interim chief might be correct that
05:55:15
Not many jurisdictions have done an analysis of their investigative dissensions like Charlottesville has, but by no means, I hope no one on this panel thinks that that was a good analysis.
05:55:28
Just in the 90 seconds after that presentation, I was thinking of what sort of questions could they have asked and presented.
05:55:37
So how many supervisory reviews result in reversals?
05:55:41
How many commanders overturned supervisors?
05:55:44
How frequently was discipline applied?
05:55:46
What was that discipline?
05:55:48
Dismissal was mentioned as a possibility, but has anyone been fired?
05:55:53
Is body cam footage viewed to verify officer's accounts?
05:55:56
Are other witnesses interviewed to see if they support the account?
05:56:00
Is an independent body evaluating the legality of the stops?
05:56:04
Are particular officers conducting these stops more frequently?
05:56:07
How does this compare to other communities where this type of data exists?
05:56:13
This type of analysis could be done with existing data.
05:56:18
Presumably, if they have a process for supervisory reviews, there's some sort of record of that review, that it was done, the result of it.
05:56:27
It could be analyzed.
05:56:28
And that's the sort of analysis that could determine whether or not something
05:56:33
Somebody could actually be disciplined to change the reality on the street.
05:56:39
Is there somebody out there, a particular officer that's doing this disproportionately, a supervisor who's ignoring the fact that the legal standard is not being met?
05:56:50
I hope next time that they come to report and they're talking about producing data and analyzing it more carefully, that they do so in a much more rigorous way.
05:57:01
That was pathetic.
05:57:03
That was absolutely pathetic analysis of that data.
SPEAKER_21
05:57:18
I'll also be talking about the police.
05:57:21
This has to do with the search for the new police chief and I've communicated this to counsel and also to Maurice Jones.
05:57:33
So it seems that, you know, in two days time here there is going to be an interview panel of civilians who will be interviewing the finalist candidates for chief.
05:57:45
and they do not yet know the names of the finalist candidates.
05:57:53
They are, from what I heard from Mr. Jones this afternoon, that the interview panel will learn 30 minutes before these people walk into the room the identities of these finalists
05:58:06
and they will in that 30 minutes time apparently they're supposed to review the candidates' files.
05:58:13
This is unprofessional in the extreme.
05:58:15
It's unprofessional to the candidates and it's insulting to the interview panelists and it's part of a larger pattern of city staff routinely running roughshod and blocking initiatives of committees, commissions and boards here.
05:58:31
So the question almost is why have them to begin with, these
05:58:35
City Commissions or these sorts of committees like this.
05:58:39
There's this patina of community input, but there's a lack of transparency in doing this run around, kind of like what we saw with the hack in NDS just a couple weeks ago.
05:58:47
This is a pattern.
05:58:49
This is a problem.
05:58:50
And so the interview panel is supposedly going to send in questions to HR.
05:58:56
But without advanced knowledge and reviewing the candidate files, how can you devise questions?
05:59:01
They're going to be stumbling blind into the process.
05:59:04
I mean, this is ridiculous.
05:59:05
I've been in lots of search committees.
05:59:06
This isn't how it's done.
05:59:07
You know way ahead of times you can look into people.
05:59:10
We, members of the community, are depending on our neighbors who are on this civilian interview panel to represent the concerns of the community.
05:59:19
We have our own needs to be equipped
05:59:22
You know, we could FOIA information, we could consult news media and law enforcement reports and consult with the civil rights stakeholders in the various communities where these candidates are currently working.
05:59:33
What's the stop and frisk rate in their community?
05:59:36
You know, how did the candidate address abuse accusations against fellow officers?
05:59:41
How did they treat immigrants?
05:59:42
And these are all questions that you can't review this in 30 minutes.
05:59:47
and it's insulting to think that this would be any sort of thorough vetting by an interview committee.
05:59:55
I suspect that the city manager is keeping this awfully close to his chest and it seems to be on purpose to keep the community in the dark.
06:00:09
It seems to be the goal.
Michael Payne
06:00:18
Michael Payne.
06:00:20
I was just thinking that the conversation about East Jefferson made me think, I don't know if it would imply in Virginia, but I've seen in other states they do things called community benefit agreements where as a condition of the locality allowing a development project, there's a written agreement where they outline specific things in terms of like investments made in that neighborhood, number of affordable units built, earmarking increases in property values to go to the community.
06:00:45
Again, I don't know if that's feasible here, but I think another big thing to look out for is if they build affordable units, no matter what the AMI level is, a lot of times it can be for a period of 10 years or less.
06:00:54
And if that's the case, it really makes no dent at all in the affordable housing crisis anything, you know, near permanent.
06:01:01
And I don't know if the solution is requiring that the affordable units, again, go in a land trust, but it's something to look out for.
06:01:07
I also have a question for the city manager related to the report on investigative detentions and that is if you know if the city police and or Jade currently use or have used roadside drug testing kits and I ask because in the report the majority of detentions were for drug related suspicions so I assume
06:01:29
when it comes to arrests from investigative detention, the majority related to drug related suspicions.
06:01:36
And there's been a recent report that the most commonly used roadside drug test kit used by police departments throughout the country was wrong a substantial amount of times.
06:01:46
I mean, we're talking in some cases 30% plus it was wrong, where it gives a false positive and then they send it to a drug testing company and the drug testing company never tests it.
06:01:57
And so a lot of localities have been going back and looking at these and having to expunge in big cities thousands of people's records because they were just flat out wrong.
06:02:07
And I'm just wondering, you know, given how often this is happening with drug related charges, if that's, if we potentially have a backlog of false positives because it's been police departments I think throughout the entire country that used these drug testing kits.
06:02:21
So just in that thought I've seen.
SPEAKER_03
06:02:29
I was ready to go home until I saw that police report.
06:02:32
Everyone should Google the big Lebowski, the plane has crashed into the mountain.
06:02:39
Just Google that sometime and you'll see what I mean.
06:02:42
But on this police thing and the stop and frisk, the plane has crashed into the mountain.
06:02:47
It's really apparent that that has, and yet we're talking about this in really rationalized ways.
06:02:53
in ways that don't get at sort of the political and the social aspects of this.
06:02:58
We're talking about deep data dives and those kinds of things.
06:03:01
I'm an evaluator by training.
06:03:03
And you all have a major, as the both of you have talked about, you have a huge evaluation problem here.
06:03:10
A huge evaluation problem.
06:03:11
That citizen right there, he's got it right.
06:03:13
Those are the kinds of evaluation questions you all should be answering, right?
06:03:18
When the city manager talks about
06:03:20
the evidence-based research group or whatever that's looking into this and he names who's on it
06:03:26
That's a tightly held group of people who are worried about the impression management of the city.
06:03:32
Why aren't there citizens on that deep dive?
06:03:35
Why aren't citizens, why aren't outside experts outside of the city a part of that process of looking at what that data means?
06:03:42
Because it's what the data means that's important, right?
06:03:45
You're seeing the data, but it's the meaning of the data.
06:03:48
Are you collecting qualitative data?
06:03:50
Are you collecting quantitative data?
06:03:52
This is a huge evaluation problem.
06:03:54
and I think the public has to be involved in this.
06:03:57
You've got to put critics inside of that committee that the city manager's talking about.
06:04:02
Otherwise, it's so tightly held that nobody knows what's going on and you don't get to the bottom of it.
06:04:07
That leads me into this whole idea of
06:04:10
citizens review board for the police.
06:04:13
It's the same exact story for that, right?
06:04:16
If you mess this up and you don't put the right people on, you put your, as Dr. Schmidt was saying, you put cronies on there, you're gonna get the same results over and over again.
06:04:26
You gotta put people who are critical on there and trust them to do their job and trust them to be critical friends of this process.
06:04:33
Stop putting cronies on your boards and commissions.
06:04:37
That's not going to solve the problem.
06:04:39
Again, the same issue with hiring the police chief.
06:04:45
If you don't get this right and you mess up the public input part of this, you're not going to have public trust.
06:04:50
and it's going to be the same story over and over again.
06:04:53
My specific recommendation for you is to think about right now, because the plane has crashed into the mountain, bring in a critical race evaluator to evaluate the police and to do an organizational analysis of the police department now before the new police chief gets here so you can tell him and or her
06:05:14
what kind of an operation and a culture that they're walking into and what you expect for change.
06:05:21
Don't wait for that new police chief to come.
06:05:24
Do it now.
06:05:25
Thanks.
06:05:25
Good night.
Nikuyah Walker
Mayor, City Council
06:05:31
Any other comments?
06:05:34
All right.
06:05:35
Good night.
06:05:36
Meetings adjourned.
06:05:48
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