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City Council 11/6/2017
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City Council
11/6/2017
Attachments
November62017agenda.pdf
November62017withbackgroun.pdf
20171106Nov06.pdf
ROLL CALL
AWARDS/RECOGNITIONS & ANNOUNCEMENTS
CITY MANAGER RESPONSE TO MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
CONSENT AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARING/ORDINANCE: Water Street Parking Garage Parking Spaces Lease (carried)
PUBLIC HEARING/ORDINANCE: Dominion Utility Easement at Ragged Mountain Reservoir (carried)
REPORT: FY 2018 - 2020 Strategic Plan and City Council 2017 Workplan
ORDINANCE: Park Street Planned Unit Development Rezoning Request (carried)
RESOLUTION: Downtown Parks Master Plan Review of Scope
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
ROLL CALL
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:03:46
Kristin and I talked about that and she wanted to put that back in just in case because that's what I remember hearing from the testimonies but it wasn't technically in the Human Rights Committee
Maurice Jones
City Manager
00:04:27
And his post is just as fast as we can.
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False and false.
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Thank you.
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I.
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Thank you.
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It's messed up.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
00:06:30
Say bye easy, baby.
00:06:32
Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_06
00:06:35
I said bye easy.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
00:06:39
Rose Hill, Rose Hill, Rose Hill, Ms. Park, Dr. Heedan, Dr. Heedan,
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:07:08
Page, do you have the matters for the public?
SPEAKER_06
00:07:27
Sign in.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
00:07:38
Thank you.
00:08:14
Thank you very much.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
00:08:44
Do you ever have trouble getting it to open and I tell you to?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
00:09:14
Good evening.
00:09:32
Good evening.
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Welcome to Charlottesville City Council.
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We'll begin as always with our with our Pledge of Allegiance.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Ms. Rice, will you call the roll?
SPEAKER_32
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Mr. Fenwick?
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Here.
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Dr. Bellamy?
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Here.
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Mr. Signer?
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Here.
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Ms. Szakos?
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Here.
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Ms. Galvin?
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
00:10:12
Here.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
00:10:16
OK, we'll begin with Ms. Galvin, awards and recognitions.
AWARDS/RECOGNITIONS & ANNOUNCEMENTS
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:10:21
Yes, we will begin with, I believe, the Poppy Proclamation for Veterans Day.
00:10:29
And I think that's on your docket, Mr. Mayor, followed by an overview by David Blount on the legislative agenda.
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And then we'll have our own regular announcements.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
00:10:41
Right, OK, Poppy Proclamation.
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Recognition of Veterans Day, whereas America is the land of freedom, preserved and protected willingly and freely by citizen soldiers, and whereas millions who have answered the call to arms have died on the field of battle, and whereas a nation must be reminded of the price of war and the debt owed to those who have died in war, and whereas the red poppy has been designated as a symbol
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of Sacrifice of Lives in All Wars, and whereas the American Legion Auxiliary has pledged to remind America annually of this debt through the distribution of the memorial flower.
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Therefore, I, Michael Signer, do hereby proclaim November 11, 2017 as Poppy Week and ask that all citizens pay tribute to those who have made this ultimate sacrifice in the name of freedom by wearing the memorial poppy during this week, signed and sealed the sixth day of November, 2017.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:11:30
Thank you very much.
00:11:31
And now I'd like to invite Mr. Blount, David Blount, to come forward to give us an overview of the legislative packet for this coming year.
SPEAKER_33
00:11:45
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of council, David Blount with the TJPDC.
00:11:49
I am taking around the regional legislative program draft, all the local governing bodies in the region here during the month of November.
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I'm going to give you just a little sneak peek tonight and then we'll look forward to coming back and having a more detailed conversation with you about it in a couple of weeks.
00:12:06
First thing I'd like to tell you and I'm just going to have three brief points.
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The top three priorities in the regional legislative program this year have the same request as the 2017 top three priorities with the exception of some updated text to reflect more recent conversations and to update some of the data.
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that are in those positions.
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The priorities are in the areas of the state budget and funding obligations, also public education funding, and thirdly, local revenue authorities.
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Secondly, one of the new priorities that I've put into the program this year is an update, really an overhaul to the Children's Services Act position, elevating it to a priority position to really reflect some concerns about a proposal that we saw during this past General Assembly session.
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that could limit state funding for certain CSA services.
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The specific concern is in the proposal is that it would have moved CSA dollars for special education over to the Department of Education, which mean that they would then be distributed on a per pupil basis and that the state dollars would not be some sufficient for services that would be necessary.
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So in the event of a gap in funding for those services,
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the localities would be left holding the bag.
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The other desire in the position is to have more local flexibility in the use of state funds for services such as services for autistic students that can be provided in schools rather than under the current requirement those services having to be provided in either a day placement or in a residential setting.
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And this is an issue that's been worked on pretty much the entire year since the last session
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the local CSA coordinators and local social services folks have been very involved so I'm expecting that we'll revisit this issue during the next session.
00:14:03
Finally, I wanted to let you know there is a new position statement being proposed that would urge new state funding sources for transit capital infrastructure in light of the coming fiscal cliff in this funding.
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As you know, some capital bonds for transit are expiring.
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They're actually going to be winding down over the next two fiscal years
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unless the General Assembly takes some action here in 2018 or 19.
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For our region, the estimates in the lost funding for CAT are in the neighborhood of $1.7, $1.8 million and over $700,000 for John.
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So those are just the three kind of main things I wanted to alert you to this evening and again we'll look forward to coming back and seeing you again about this in a couple weeks.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
00:14:48
Got a quick question here.
00:14:49
So how can citizens, if they have any comments on the legislative agenda, how would they
SPEAKER_33
00:14:54
Since I'm working with the local governments, it's done through you, through Albemarle County Board of Supervisors and the local governing bodies in the region.
00:15:11
I hear that from the local governments during the process of putting this together, so it does happen.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
00:15:20
And there are two separate, just to remind the council and the audience, there are two separate initiatives when it comes to the legislative packet.
00:15:28
There's the regional packet that Mr. Blount is speaking of, and then there's the city packet that's much more specific to our needs and wants and concerns.
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And we've been working on developing that and we'll be coming back to the city council on the specifics of that in November, on November 20th.
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and that will address some of the issues that we've been talking about in this chambers over the course of the last couple of months, very specifically.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:15:54
Any more questions?
00:15:55
Well, thank you very much, Mr. Millon.
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I look forward to hearing from you again next meeting.
00:16:00
Great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And with that, we're going to resume now with the regular announcements.
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And I'll begin with Mr. Fenwick.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:16:09
Sorry.
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Two proclamations.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:16:11
Oh, well, I mean, I don't think it matters.
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It's the sequence.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
00:16:16
So I don't matter?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:16:17
No, you matter.
00:16:18
You matter a lot, Mr. Brown.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
00:16:20
Okay, okay.
00:16:24
Announcement November 6th.
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The African American Military Experience.
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The community is invited to commemorate the African American Military Experience on Friday, November 10th, 2017 from 9.30 a.m. until 4 p.m. at the Jefferson School African American Heritage Center Carver Recreation Center.
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located at 233 4th Street Northwest.
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The day will be filled with exhibitors, reenactors, and military historians.
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The event is hosted by the VET committee, and you can reach them by sending an email to mmaxineholland at gmail dot com.
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mmaxineholland at gmail dot com.
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or by calling Mr. Frank Walker at 9620754.
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This is a very interesting day, so I would recommend it to everybody.
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Announcement November 6, 2017, Greenway.
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Please join us as we begin a series of community conversations
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about ways for Charlottesville and Albemarle to develop a bicycle and pedestrian system in the urban core that links together places where people live, work, shop, and play.
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We have invited two guests to share their experiences, inspirations, and lessons learned.
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Chuck Flink, one of the nation's leading designers of greenway systems, will talk about the community benefits of greenways
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and provide concrete examples of successful approaches.
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He has worked with more than 250 communities around the United States and internationally.
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Max Hepp Buchanan, director of Bike Walk RVA in Richmond, will give a local perspective with special focus on their approach to bringing grassroots and government together around a shared vision and successful implementation.
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Light refreshments will be served
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For more information, go to www.PECVA.org forward slash events.
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And that's on Wednesday, November 8th at 6 p.m. at the Jefferson School.
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And of course, tomorrow, announcement November 6th, tomorrow is election day.
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Election day is Tuesday, November 7th.
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All polling places will be open from 6 a.m. until 7 p.m.
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Voters may look up their own registration, polling place, and ballot information online at vote.virginia.gov.
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Voters must show a photo ID at the polls.
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Voters who do not have an acceptable ID may apply for a free photo ID
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and the Voter Registration Office whenever the office is open, including 6 a.m. to 7 p.m. on Election Day.
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The Voter Registration Office is in the City Hall, annexed next to the Pavilion.
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The first hour of parking in the Market Street garage is free.
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Voted absentee ballots must be received by the office by 7 p.m. on Election Day, either by mail, overnight delivery service,
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or delivered personally to the office by the voter.
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No other person may deliver the voters ballots.
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Postmarks do not govern.
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Please call the voter registration office at 970-3250 if you have any questions.
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The office reopens at 6 a.m. on Election Day.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:20:23
Thank you.
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Vice Mayor.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
00:20:25
I have a couple of announcements.
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One being on Sunday, November 19th from 3 to 5 p.m. at First Baptist Church on 632 West Main Street.
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There will be 200 turkeys that will be provided to any and everyone in need.
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So regardless of where you're from, what your socioeconomic background status is, if you need a turkey, please feel free to come and get one.
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And this event is sponsored by First Baptist Church.
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100 Black Men of Central Virginia, Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated, and a few others.
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So again, that is Sunday, November 19th from 3 to 5 p.m.
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If you need a turkey, please feel free to come and get one.
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If you'd like to make a donation in terms of donating a turkey, please do so at 100bmocv.org.
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Again, if you'd like to make a donation, 100bmocv.org.
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Save the date, Sunday, November 19th, 3 to 5 p.m. Next, I have something for a local hero.
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It is Mr. Eugene Williams, a representative from his family here.
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Okay.
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Even in the event that he's not here, today, for those of you who do not know, is Mr. Eugene Williams' 90th birthday.
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And this past weekend, on Saturday, November 4th, we had a celebration for Mr. Williams as well as his wife.
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His wife is 92 years old.
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and again today November 6th is his 90th birthday.
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We have a proclamation that we'd like to read for him celebrating this gentleman.
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I won't go through all of it but I will touch on some of the highlights.
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Whereas Eugene Williams was born on November 6th, 1927 in Charlottesville, Virginia.
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He is the oldest of two boys born to September and Tom Williams and whereas on August 14th, 1949
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He married Lorraine Payne of Ivy, Virginia, and they had two daughters, Carol Lorraine and Cheryl Eugenia.
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Whereas Mr. Williams attended Southern University in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a proud historically black college university.
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served in the United States Armed Forces, worked as an insurance sales executive for the all-black insurance company Universal Life, formerly known as Richmond Beneficial, and founded Dogwood Housing Limited Partnership and 511 Associates, business partnerships dedicated to providing affordable housing, and whereas he is a member and former Sunday School Superintendent of Ebenezer Baptist Church,
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former president of the Charlottesville NAACP, which he proudly proclaims was at its peak in Charlottesville while he was president in the 1960s, former active member of the Blue Ridge Mountains Rotary Club, and honored as a Paul Harris fellow for decades practicing service over self and recipient of the Charlottesville Chamber of Commerce Vail Vanguard Award.
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And whereas Eugene Williams as the recipient of a joint resolution from the Virginia House of Delegates and Senate number 743 commending him
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as a longtime community leader and advocate for civil rights.
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And one of the things that Mr. Williams is most known for, whereas Mr. Eugene Williams led a movement to file a lawsuit to integrate the public schools of Charlottesville, Virginia.
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The suit was filed and won, and his daughters, Carol and Cheryl,
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The plaintiffs of the suit were escorted to the new school by Charlottesville policemen and whereas he and his wife Lorraine, brother and sister-in-law Albert and Emma formed Dogwood Housing to revitalize neighborhoods and provide quality housing for low-income residents of Charlottesville, Mr. Williams has served as a symbolic conscience of Charlottesville for what is right and fair for all people.
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and for bridging the diverse parts of the Charlottesville community on his 90th birthday today.
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Now, therefore, be it proclaimed that the city of Charlottesville honors this day and proclaims it as Eugene Williams Day, signed by Mayor Mike Signer and the rest of city council.
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Let's give Mr. Williams a round of applause.
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He told me that he may not be able to make it because of his age he doesn't like to come out after dark after 6 p.m. but he did say it was important to pass on for all of the troublemakers out here to continue to cause trouble because while he was fighting for equality and looking to integrate the schools people called him troublemaker every day and he is a proud troublemaker so thanks again.
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I don't have anything else.
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There's something that I would like to state, but I could wait until later.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:25:09
You're more than welcome to say it now.
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Or do you think it's more appropriate to do later?
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
00:25:16
Okay.
00:25:17
Alright.
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So, I'm going to read something that I believe to be very important.
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And I know tomorrow is election day.
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And while I'm not here to tell anyone how they need to vote, I do think it's important to point out something that occurred over the weekend that was reported from the Daily Progress.
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And in my personal opinion, a very distasteful piece
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So I'll read this, and if you could just give me a couple of moments, please.
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It says, Seville, I have intentionally been staying out of the local election for a variety of reasons.
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However, I can no longer stand idle while both covert and overt racism shows its ugly head and attacks Nikaya Walker.
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I'll be clear.
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Again, I'm not here to tell anyone how to vote.
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However, I do have an obligation to make you all aware that the daily progress and other powers that be are terrified of Miss Walker.
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This latest attack on her is infuriating.
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People are afraid of her strength, afraid of her intellect, afraid of the fact that she is unapologetic in her stance on equity, addressing systemic oppression and racism, and afraid because she speaks her mind.
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The article that was posted in the Daily Progress is a clear example of an entity or entities working to tear down
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a sister because she is bold, she speaks out, and does not play the game that others want her to be.
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I for one will not stand idle while this news publication, if that's what you want to call it, tears her down.
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It's not by mistake that this article came out just three days before the election.
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I want to also be clear, I don't always agree with what Ms. Walker says and she doesn't have to agree with everything that I say.
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I also don't agree with 100% of everything that Heather Hill, Amy Laufer, Ken Jackson, Paul Long, Mike Signer, Kathy Galvin, Bob Fenwick, Kristin Szakos or any
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local political figure says.
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They don't always agree with everything that I say.
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We aren't all supposed to agree with each other all of the time or do the same thing or think the same way.
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That's what makes us different.
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And differing opinions is what can lead us to making our community a better place.
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It's not by mistake that this city has never in history had two people of color on city council at the same time.
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It's not by mistake that in Albemarle County we haven't seen a person of color on the board of supervisors in nearly 15 years.
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Again, let me be clear.
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I'm not telling anyone how to vote or who to vote for.
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But this isn't about voting or politics.
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This is about right and wrong.
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And the attacks on Ms. Walker are flat out wrong.
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The Daily Progress, a news publication that has not one black writer or reporter, the same publication that endorsed Ed Galepsy for governor, even with all of the blatant hate-filled rhetoric Ed has spewed in the campaign ads,
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I'll leave it there.
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The same publication that published editorials in which blamed me, not the actual white supremacist who killed someone for the events on August 12th,
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is also the same publication that essentially published an editorial that carried the tone of a slave master telling his slave, speak up boy and do something.
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I didn't do what they wanted me to do during the days leading up to A-12.
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It's also the same publication that published this article that paints Miss Walker as the angry black woman.
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This media source does not represent the Seaville that I love.
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However, the Daily Progress and its staff clearly prove that we as a community still have a long way to go.
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They write, publish, and put out stories to cater to their base.
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Obviously, it's a base that stuck more in the 1950s opposed to 2017.
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I rarely read it, and this article is a clear example of why I choose to spend my time doing other things, like actually helping people in the community who are underserved opposed to writing about how they want to tear down a person of color.
00:29:24
Oh, don't be fooled.
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They are going to publish an article or two highlighting someone of color very soon, which they did in Sunday's paper, and try to make it seem as if they are balanced.
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Trust me, they are not.
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Don't allow someone to give you a crumb here or there after not allowing you to have anything to eat and then tell you it's a five-course meal.
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Trust me, it's still crumbs.
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What I'm writing isn't anything different from what I told the editors on the senior management staff of the Daily Progress.
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The same staff that told me they get it, quote unquote, because the members of their senior staff who read one book by Tanya Issa Coates, Between the World of Me.
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Yes, my friend, that means you understand all of the issues regarding race in our history.
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Insert sarcastic emoji here.
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People speak about the need for the community to come together, but there can be no unity without acknowledgement.
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There can be no let's all just come together and love each other moment without acknowledging the fact that we have a lot of wrong in our community and it needs to be addressed, rectified and atoned for.
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Don't get it twisted.
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I love this city.
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I love our community.
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But we do have a lot of work to do.
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The fact that we will not remain silent makes people uncomfortable.
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And because Miss Walker has been vocal, she is now being attacked.
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I won't stand for it.
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I won't be quiet.
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I won't just allow it to happen and do not say do or use my platform to speak on it.
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Nope, not happening.
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I wasn't raised that way.
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And again, I want to be clear.
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I'm not telling anyone how to vote on tomorrow.
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That's on you to do what you choose.
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However, for me, as a black man, a brother, a father of three black daughters, a mentor of young women of color, and a husband to a beautiful black wife, I will not allow anyone to blatantly disrespect, devalue, or demonize Nakaya Walker, a sister.
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This isn't about politics.
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It's about humanity.
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Again, this isn't about politics.
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It's about humanity and standing up for what's right.
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Before I'm an elected official, before I'm a teacher or anything with the title, I am a band of principal.
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My wife, my mother, my aunt, my sisters and the sisters in general have always stood up
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and represented for us.
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It's time that we stand up for them.
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Some will not like what I've written.
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Some will say that I'm not showing party loyalty.
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Some will say that I'm race baiting or find some way to critique or find a criticism and that's fine.
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I've come to learn that it's better to be a band of principle and live your truth rather than play a game for personal gain.
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We must speak up and do what's right and for that I hope that you all adhere to the words that I said.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:32:23
That's all.
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Mr. Mayor, do you have anything?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
00:32:33
I do.
00:32:35
So I have a statement to follow on Mr. Bellamy's about the same matter.
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I hope that you all will let me get through it.
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I'll try to keep it short.
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It's election day tomorrow, and this is one of the most important decision elections in our lifetime.
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On a matter who you vote for, everyone needs to vote.
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You can go to the state elections website to find out.
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You can call the Charlottesville registrar with any questions at 434-970-3250.
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It's election season.
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We're seeing a lot of political attacks that unfortunately distract from important issues we face.
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So I want to give a few facts about some allegations that have been online in relation to this particular election.
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In my opinion, this council's most important action this year has been to double our spending on affordable housing.
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to the tone of almost $10 million.
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The Albemarle Housing Improvement Program, AHIP, receives almost $1 million from Charlottesville every year and is a vital partner in our work against gentrification.
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If folks can't afford to fix their roof or put in a new HVAC system, then they may leave our community altogether.
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AHIP squarely addresses that problem by fixing those homes.
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and saving them.
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An AHIP staff member recently approached me several weeks ago with concerns about what they described as a vendetta against this organization by a council candidate.
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They were even concerned that the organization's long-term health was at risk, especially because council, we had to take action in restoring 50% of their proposed budget had been cut in a draft plan we got this year and we restored that a couple meetings ago to about $500,000, so gave them back the full million that they usually get every year.
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I've been on neighborhood tours with AHIP.
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I've had friends who have had their work done firsthand.
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I believe they are a hugely valuable partner in our fight against gentrification here.
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Since that conversation with the staff member, I have openly shared with folks in this community my concerns about emails council received from this council candidate about AHIP containing profane attacks against our staff and against AHIP.
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On Saturday, a front page story in the Daily Progress used those emails to describe this council candidate, who is also an African American woman, as aggressive, confrontational, and outspoken.
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Email sent to Counselor of Public Records, but I want to be very clear, I did not direct or issue any FOIA for these emails.
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I also want to make clear, I want to make clear how frustrated and disappointed I was by the paper's decision to use this language and by the questionable, by the question, I'd like for you to let me finish, by the questionable timing of the article
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by the questionable timing of the article the day before the paper's endorsement of two other candidates, which I thought was ridiculous.
00:35:22
In 2014, so let me get finished.
00:35:28
In 2014, you're out of order.
00:35:33
Let me finish.
00:35:36
No, I got a little more, two paragraphs.
00:35:38
And then we've got a lot of folks speaking.
00:35:41
In 2014, Fortune magazine found words like aggressive were frequently used to describe women, but almost never men.
00:35:50
These coded words can perpetuate the marginalization of women in any workplace, including city council and especially African American women.
00:36:00
I'm personally sympathetic to the impact of such coded language.
00:36:03
I've experienced coded attacks related to my faith.
00:36:07
My mom was the president of the Virginia National Organization for Women.
00:36:10
I'm married to a strong woman, if you don't want me to say that, I have two.
00:36:13
Three strong, accomplished women.
00:36:16
And in my fragile, in my family environment, I have been aware of the danger of these oppressive stereotypes.
00:36:23
All women and all of us deserve better than coded discriminatory descriptions.
00:36:28
I'm sorry for what Nikai Walker had to go through and had to experience the result of this article.
00:36:34
Going forward, I hope that the Daily Progress reflects on the stereotypes the article both invoked and provoked and that they
00:36:51
I wish you'd let me finish.
00:36:55
Okay, so Miss Galvin has the floor.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:37:00
I don't have the gavel.
00:37:10
There needs to be order in this room.
00:37:12
Miss Hudson, please.
00:37:14
Miss Hudson, we need to have you please have order in the room.
00:37:19
I'm asking you to stop.
00:37:21
I'm asking you to stop.
00:37:22
Can you please leave the room, Miss Hudson?
00:37:25
So we will now begin with the next, I think this has been unusual, very unusual to have individual counselors make statements that none of your colleagues knew about.
00:37:41
I think in the future it would be really considerate if you share what you're going to say to the rest of your colleagues, please.
SPEAKER_25
00:37:49
Ms. Hudson, please.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:38:05
Are you done, Mr. Signer?
SPEAKER_24
00:38:09
Ms. Akos, are you ready for your announcements?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:38:17
Going back in history to the 1840s, I have a proclamation honoring someone from this community named James Thomas Sammons Taylor.
00:38:37
Whereas James Taylor, an African American man, was born in Berryville, Virginia to Fairfax Taylor and Ellen Sammons Taylor on January 14, 1840 and moved to Charlottesville by 1850 after his father earned enough money to purchase the family's freedom.
00:38:53
and whereas James Taylor enlisted the United States Colored Troops 2nd Infantry Regiment on August 24, 1863 in Washington, D.C. and in 1865 sent letters to the New York Anglo-African describing military engagement and protesting the lack of African American officers.
00:39:11
and whereas James Taylor, while stationed in Key West, Florida, married Eliza Ann Delancey, the freeborn daughter of Bahamian immigrants, and returned to Charlottesville with his bride when his military service ended in 1866.
00:39:26
and whereas Congress in 1867 required states that had seceded from the Union, including Virginia, to hold state conventions, establish new constitutions, and ratify the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution as a condition of readmission into the Union, and further required that black men be able to vote in the elections to implement these actions.
00:39:48
and whereas at a Republican meeting held in Charlottesville on September 1, 1867, James Taylor was nominated to represent Albemarle County at the State Constitutional Convention.
00:40:00
And whereas 24 African American men, including James Taylor, were elected to the 1867-68 Virginia Constitutional Convention,
00:40:08
which created the Virginia Constitution of 1869 that among other things provided for universal male suffrage and established Virginia's first statewide system of public schools.
00:40:20
And whereas James Taylor later ran competitive races for the House of Delegates and continued to advocate for civil rights for African Americans, now therefore be it resolved that the city of Charlottesville honors the memory of civil rights advocate James Thomas Sammons Taylor
00:40:34
for his many contributions to the community and celebrates the 150th anniversary of his election to the 1867 Virginia Constitutional Convention.
00:40:44
And I believe that we have members of Mr. Taylor's family in the room.
00:40:48
Oh wonderful, that's great.
SPEAKER_06
00:41:26
Would you like to say a few words?
SPEAKER_17
00:41:46
Thank you.
00:41:48
This was actually something that was planned for a month ago, but
00:41:54
family members weren't able to make it and again they weren't able to make it this evening so we still went ahead to have it done this evening.
00:42:01
Obviously things have changed since we were in those times as a society but we still have work to do and I think that's been pretty obvious this year with things that have gone on here in Charlottesville.
00:42:14
But our family does go back a couple centuries here and with Fairfax Taylor he was the
00:42:23
James's father was the first freed African American to have property here in Charlottesville.
00:42:31
And that was an important thing.
00:42:33
But with James, he was much more active of politics.
00:42:37
And that's one reason it's good for today is because it's the day before we go to the polls tomorrow.
00:42:44
So that's one of the things that we need to look at.
00:42:46
And happy birthday, Mr. Williams.
00:42:48
I know you're watching this.
00:42:51
So happy birthday.
00:42:52
But I just want to encourage everyone you all know but make sure you go out and vote tomorrow.
00:43:00
There were a lot of people that made a lot of sacrifices to make sure everyone had the right to vote.
00:43:07
It's not a privilege, it's a right.
00:43:09
So you make sure you exercise your right to vote tomorrow.
00:43:13
And again, I'm not saying you need to vote for it, but make sure you vote for people that will take your interests and take what you want and bring that to the level of government that we're voting for.
00:43:26
And we've got local government and state government positions tomorrow, so just make sure you vote for everybody, but please make sure you vote tomorrow.
00:43:36
And that's all I have to say.
00:43:44
This is Patricia Daniels, this is my aunt, and she wants to see something about the church.
SPEAKER_21
00:43:51
I just would like to say that Fairfax Taylor was my great-great-grandfather.
00:44:01
I never saw him.
00:44:02
I have been trying so hard to find a picture of him.
00:44:06
We all would like to have it.
00:44:07
I have a little history about him and the family, but this
00:44:13
Starting this Friday night, which is going to be November the 10th, we are starting to celebrate at First Baptist Church at 632 West Main Street the 154th church anniversary.
00:44:30
The church has been there for 154 years and Fairfax Taylor was a minister there at one time.
00:44:40
So I just wanted you all to know that
00:44:42
He did help put the, build the foundation there and also preached there at that church.
00:44:48
That's all.
00:44:49
Thank you so much.
00:44:50
Thank you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:45:00
And Miss Galvin, I have a couple of little announcements as well here.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:45:03
Very good.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:45:04
So there will be a Veterans Day ceremony held at the Sprint Pavilion at the downtown mall on Saturday, November 11th.
00:45:11
All are invited to attend.
00:45:14
On, let's see, November 9th through 12th, so next week, the Virginia Film Festival is coming to town.
00:45:20
This year we'll feature some of the most highly anticipated titles in the film world, while also showing off the talents of rising stars in the industry.
00:45:28
They'll offer a carefully curated selection of transformational classics, fascinating documentaries, outstanding foreign films, and more, all combining to offer up a thought-provoking creative window on some of the most important issues in our world today.
00:45:41
And just from a personal perspective, I'll say that I know that the kids in the City of Promise, working with Lighthouse Studios, produced two films that have been accepted into the
00:45:50
Festival.
00:45:51
So those will be available to be seen.
00:45:53
And also, a friend of mine who I've played music with for many years, Lovell Coleman, who's 94 this last week, is also featured in one of the films that they're doing.
00:46:03
So for more information, go to www.virginiafilmfestival.org.
00:46:08
and finally the Community Input Budget Survey.
00:46:11
Almost as important as elections is the city budget.
00:46:15
As we plan for the next fiscal year budget beginning July 1st, 2018, your views on how tax dollars are spent are essential to creating a budget that best serves all of our citizens.
00:46:25
City Council invites you to be a part of this process by identifying your service and spending priorities for the upcoming fiscal year.
00:46:33
Your input will be considered in the development of next year's budget.
00:46:37
Visit charlottesville.abalancingact.com to submit your feedback.
00:46:42
If you have any questions about information provided, you can email budget at charlottesville.org or call 434-970-3174.
00:46:50
There's also a paper version of the tool available here in council chambers tonight.
00:46:58
It's right here.
00:46:58
It's called Balancing Act.
00:47:01
It's also available at the city manager's office, at the city treasurer's, customer service desk at the main entrance of city hall.
00:47:07
Paper responses can be returned by mail.
00:47:09
to City Hall, 605 East Main Street, or by fax, does anybody still have fax?
00:47:15
434-970-3890, or by email, budget at charlesfield.org.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:47:22
Thank you.
00:47:23
And I only have one announcement, and it's related to election day tomorrow, so it's some very important information about the CAT services, the Charlottesville Area Transit.
00:47:33
It's gonna be offering fair free service all day tomorrow.
00:47:37
and the free service will give area residents an opportunity to try transit while offering reliable transportation to and from the poles.
00:47:46
Residents may reach the Schonsel City and Almonte County polling locations by using the following CAT routes.
00:47:52
So I'm going to just be naming the precinct location and then the CAT routes associated with it.
00:47:57
So Recreation Precinct, CAT routes 1, 10 and 11.
00:48:02
Clark Precinct, routes 1, 2 and 3.
00:48:05
Carter Precinct, 8 and 9, Tonsler Precinct, 2, 3, 4 and 6, Johnson Precinct, 4 and 6, Buford Precinct, 4, 6 and the free trolley, Venable Precinct, no direct CAT routes.
00:48:23
You have to refer to UVA's University Transit Service, the inner and outer university loops.
00:48:29
Alumni Hall Precinct, 5, 7 and 8, and Walker Precinct, 9 and 11.
00:48:36
And that's all I have.
00:48:37
And I have down that it is my job tonight to introduce Mr. Jones, who will now deliver the city manager's response to public comment from the previous council meeting.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
00:48:47
Thank you, Councilor Galvin.
00:48:48
One response from the October 16th matters by the public.
00:48:52
Vice Mayor Bellamy, Councilor Galvin and I and staff met with representatives from the Low Income Housing Coalition to address concerns that were raised in a letter.
CITY MANAGER RESPONSE TO MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
Maurice Jones
City Manager
00:49:02
that the coalition sent to the council in October.
00:49:05
There was agreement to develop new ways to engage the public on affordable housing and the foreign-based code, especially low-income residents to seek their input.
00:49:12
And so we are working with the coalition to develop that approach.
00:49:16
And we'll be coming back to the city council and the public soon with the next steps in that process.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
00:49:19
Oh, thank you very much.
00:49:20
Sure.
00:49:24
Ms. Szakos.
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:49:30
All right, so now we're going to do matters from the public.
00:49:32
We have several people who signed up, 10 who signed up online.
00:49:36
There was also an online waiting list, so we'll go through those 10 if there are spaces, if some of those folks aren't here.
00:49:58
Jeffrey Fogel
00:50:13
And Mr. Fogel, if you just wait a second, we won't start your time yet.
00:50:17
Just wanted to make sure that I always give the rules, same as always.
00:50:22
So no cussing, no interruptions, no speaking out of turn.
00:50:25
Everyone will have three minutes to speak.
00:50:27
If you can make your comments in less than three, that would be lovely.
00:50:30
But you're welcome to your three.
00:50:32
The timer right here will help you keep track.
00:50:35
When the yellow light goes on, you have 20 or 15 seconds left, Ms. Rice.
00:50:39
20 seconds left.
00:50:40
If you go over, I will ask you to stop.
00:50:43
We have officers in the back.
00:50:45
If you refuse to stop and if I ask you to leave or if you're interrupting and I ask you to stop, you will be asked to leave.
00:50:52
Hopefully you will not need help leaving.
00:50:57
but I will say that this is the night before an election and there are high emotions on a lot of sides.
00:51:04
I know people are upset about the article but I urge you to listen to your fellow citizens as they speak, to not interrupt, to let us get through this.
00:51:13
We have also business to do for the city after the public comment and I will call people out of order and I'm not going to tolerate interruptions.
Jeff Fogel
00:51:26
It was a very friendly greeting.
00:51:28
I'm sure everybody in the audience very much appreciates your attitude toward the citizenry here.
00:51:33
I am here to call out the mayor, and my only disappointment with what Mr. Bellamy said is that he didn't call out the mayor.
00:51:40
The fact is that you told us the daily progress
00:51:44
Look at these emails, FOIA them, because they will prove my spin.
00:51:49
And your spin is, this is a candidate who cannot collaborate with others and should not be voted for.
00:51:56
You use your position as the mayor with access to that information in order to corrupt the process right here.
00:52:03
And you do not deserve to be sitting there as mayor, no less, on the city council for having done that.
00:52:09
Did you all determine who had leaked that memo before?
00:52:13
Did you make an effort to do so?
00:52:16
Well let's find out because what the paper said was it was an official at City Hall.
00:52:21
I'm looking at all the officials at City Hall.
00:52:24
Do we really need to go further than this?
00:52:26
Now Mr. Signer has admitted it was him.
00:52:29
So now we know that Mr. Signer attempted to alter this election to do so in the last days of that election and to use his position as mayor in order to do that.
00:52:38
That is absolutely and completely outrageous.
00:52:42
Now, whatever fault lies with the daily progress, it started with you, Mr. Signer.
00:52:48
I know you don't want to look at me.
00:52:50
I know you don't want to acknowledge how bad you have been, how un-collaborative you have been.
00:52:55
Your colleagues had to call you out on being un-collaborative with them.
00:52:59
And you have the gall to call somebody else un-collaborative?
00:53:02
You are, as people have said, afraid of the strong black women.
00:53:07
And the rest of you, except for Mr. Bellamy, haven't said a word about this corruption of democracy.
00:53:13
And it's about time you do something about it.
00:53:15
If this was come from in-house, you need to do something about it.
00:53:18
If this came from the Democratic Party, you need to do something about it.
00:53:22
I was arrested a week before my election to the glee of the command of this police department.
00:53:28
Did any of you say anything about that in an effort to get my candidacy derailed?
00:53:33
And now we have another instance?
00:53:36
I wouldn't even call this a third world country.
00:53:39
This is ridiculous.
00:53:40
You people really think you can control things any way you want.
00:53:43
And Miss Galvin, for you to criticize Mr. Bellamy because he didn't tell you in advance what he was going to say, you really have to think about that.
00:53:50
You have to look at yourself in the mirror and say, do I have the right to hear what everybody else is going to say before they say it?
00:53:56
Lina Seville
SPEAKER_38
00:54:26
Well, that's going to be a tough act to follow.
00:54:29
But I will try.
00:54:30
And I'll mention that Jeff was arrested by the police.
00:54:34
He's been an attorney asking for review of the police.
00:54:38
And then they go and they arrest him in the middle of the night.
00:54:40
They get a mug shot of him.
00:54:42
Completely not normal process.
00:54:44
And he's found not guilty.
00:54:46
I mean, and that article in the paper
00:54:49
It seems like the same kind of thing where people are trying to influence the elections and honestly I don't like it either but I came here to talk about something related.
00:54:58
Today I was at the court when Donna was tried and given her sentence for the protest here the day after the first meeting after the Unite the Right rally.
00:55:13
And let me tell you something, when people feel that strongly that they have to come here and they say they're not being heard, you shouldn't be arresting them, you should be listening to them.
00:55:27
Maybe that process that you follow is why some people feel that they have to stand up to city staff and to council and that they are argumentative or uncooperative because we don't agree with the way things are being done because a lot of people don't feel like they have access to the decision making process here which is what I came here to talk about.
00:55:46
What you'll hear about tonight with the civilian review board of the police is that it was done in a rush.
00:55:54
It's same as the housing policy.
00:55:56
It's done very quickly to try to make a point.
00:55:59
It's like you hired this marketing thing and you want to show you're doing something without actually involving the people that want these kinds of things being done.
00:56:07
Simply having something
00:56:09
at a public meeting is not the same as going out to the members of the public and saying we want to know what you think and we want you to be involved in this decision making process.
00:56:18
We see decisions happening very, very quickly and or a bunch of them at the same time like right now we've got the strategic investment area, the code audit, the form based code, the comp plan, all happening at the same time and so that you have to be part of a professional organization to be able to participate in it.
00:56:37
There's right over the couple days, there's this standard and designs consultant having stakeholder meetings.
00:56:45
So the developers are invited, but the public doesn't know about it.
00:56:50
I know about it because I happen to be a meeting who happened to have somebody who happened to be invited to it.
00:56:55
But the developers and the development community are being invited, and the public isn't.
SPEAKER_06
00:56:59
That's who they work for.
SPEAKER_38
00:57:04
Let's not interrupt so she can finish.
00:57:08
Thank you though.
00:57:11
Having all these things being done by people who have been appointed by a very select group of people and then they have stakeholder meetings where they invite other people that agree with them is not what we want.
00:57:24
We want to be involved in the process, we want to be invited to the process, we want to be participating in the process and you're just not doing your job.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
00:57:31
Thank you.
00:57:39
Elizabeth Stafford.
SPEAKER_28
00:57:47
Hi, my name is Elizabeth Stafford and I'm sharing my time with Katrina Turner.
Katrina Turner
00:57:56
I'm here to talk about the Citizen Review Board and why we need it.
00:58:01
One, because the police are not ever held accountable for what they do to the citizens out here on the street.
00:58:09
Complaints against the police officers are unheard of.
00:58:17
I know that for a fact because like I said this is how I met all of y'all because I came forward about a complaint
00:58:24
against two police officers where my son called for help but yet and still they chose to assault him and arrest him and then after we filed the complaint and everything against the police officers they never even said that he put their life in danger when they arrested him but all of a sudden after the complaint came four months later we find out that he all of a sudden put three officers lives in danger
00:58:53
When I came to Mr. Jones and Chief of Police spoke to you all, do you remember how it was said that reports can be changed?
00:59:06
Do you remember that, Mr. Jones?
00:59:08
So how is it that reports, I came to you because we told you reports were changed.
00:59:16
And right there in that office, Chief Thomas told you how reports can be changed.
00:59:21
So why is my son still in this situation?
00:59:25
See, he's in right now.
00:59:27
is what I want to know.
00:59:29
This is why we need this board, because the complaints that the police people are making against the police, y'all are protecting them, but for what?
00:59:38
Why are y'all protecting the police?
00:59:40
Why are y'all allowing them to do what they're doing?
00:59:44
Every complaint that's coming to you, the only thing I see is you don't believe what the citizens are telling you.
00:59:50
You're upholding everything these police officers do, and you need to stop.
00:59:55
Police officers were trained
00:59:58
to shoot to kill.
01:00:01
That's their training to kill or be killed.
01:00:05
So when is all this going to change?
01:00:09
What more do y'all need to know about how the black and brown people in this community are being treated by these officers?
01:00:20
How much more do y'all need to know?
01:00:23
This has been going on for generation after generation after generation.
01:00:29
When is it going to stop?
01:00:31
That's what I want to know.
01:00:33
When are we going to be able to live in our community and walk the streets and not have to worry about these police?
01:00:40
Not until the citizens get a review board and are able to come behind the police and review what they did.
01:00:49
Because other than that, it's going to continue to go.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:00:54
Thank you very much.
01:00:58
Lindsey Botin.
SPEAKER_00
01:01:10
I live on Monticello Road and I've been involved in several community conversations lately where various residents and organizations have come together to discuss what a civilian review board with oversight of the police might look like in Charlottesville.
01:01:26
These conversations have been thoughtful, thorough, and productive.
01:01:30
I was thus dismayed to learn that on October 16th City Council discussed a civilian review board during other business without consulting with community members, especially those who are most directly impacted by such discussions.
01:01:44
The civilian review board was not on the agenda and the public had no way to know it would occur.
01:01:49
It occurred five hours into the meeting after midnight when all the residents had gone home.
01:01:55
Many community groups have called for a civilian review board, just like Ms. Katrina mentioned.
01:02:01
So why weren't they publicly invited to give input from the beginning?
01:02:05
A conversation about police accountability behind closed doors is not what the community has asked for and it will not build trust.
01:02:12
I stand here today with many community members to demand the establishment of a truly independent Civilian Review Board to address the issue of greater police accountability to the residents of Charlottesville.
01:02:24
The process for creating the Civilian Review Board must be public, accountable, and transparent because independence starts from the beginning.
01:02:32
A group of residents that reflect all of Charlottesville's communities that are directly impacted by policing should be equal partners in the creation of the review board, including creating its bylaws.
01:02:45
So then I was further dismayed to learn that instead of consulting with engaged and concerned community members who are already having these conversations, the city council suggested that the matter of the civilian review board be directed by the police citizens advisory panel.
01:03:00
This, even though PCAPP has not been able to effectively address policing issues in Charlottesville.
01:03:06
Most troubling, PCAPP has made no progress on its investigation into racist stop and frisk policies by the police, even though we know that black residents are nine times more likely to be stopped by police officers.
01:03:20
PCAPP continues to defend and allow white supremacy to go unchecked in this community.
01:03:26
What did PCAPP have to say about police collusion with white supremacist violence in Charlottesville this summer?
01:03:31
Nothing.
01:03:33
It's an outrage to think that PCAPP would be capable of designing an independent civilian review board that would meet the needs and address the concerns of the community.
01:03:42
It's even more disgusting that city council would suggest such an outlandish recommendation under the cover of night with so much community mistrust of the government because it has done nothing to defend the anti-racist residents of Charlottesville and instead has pursued charges against anti-racist activists for pointing out that there's blood on y'all's hands.
01:04:03
It's more important now than ever to operate with transparency and in good faith.
01:04:10
We demand a process for a truly independent civilian review board immediately.
01:04:14
Thank you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:04:22
Dornita Herndon
SPEAKER_22
01:04:35
Good evening.
01:04:36
My name is Dornita Herndon.
01:04:39
I'm here because on October 30th, I received some papers that really disturbed me about my employer.
01:04:50
So I called everywhere, all over Charlottesville, Richmond, DC, everywhere.
01:04:56
I ended up getting in touch with the office here where Ms. Green is.
01:05:05
picked up the phone.
01:05:09
I talked to Ms. Green and I poured my heart out to Ms. Green about what was going on with me and my job with Region 10.
01:05:17
I couldn't say their name because I know tomorrow I'm not going to have a job of them discriminating against me because I have mental illness.
01:05:26
Because I was in an accident that they made me do a job that they made me do.
01:05:32
And in three more years I might not be able to walk or see
01:05:37
and they're doing everything to keep from paying my bills.
01:05:41
I can barely live.
01:05:44
On your notes about public housing, let me tell you about public housing.
01:05:49
I stood last year when I came before you all.
01:05:52
I went down to see if my application that was in there for five years was still there and it wasn't because you hired new people that purged documents
01:06:08
So I had to fill out another application and during that time when I filled out that application and turned it in, you had a young lady that came in there that ain't never paid their dues.
01:06:18
I'm 54 years old, I'll be 54 years old in January.
01:06:22
I retired from the University of Virginia for doing my time over 30 years and didn't work part time because I could not get public housing.
01:06:33
and you know what, a lot of people are doing that, working two and three and four jobs to get food on their table, to get what they need for their children and then when their name does come up on that list, you're not qualified.
01:06:48
That's me, that's me.
01:06:52
I was offered $7,000 and my job dismissed from me and me never being able to work for Regentee,
01:07:03
and my bill's still not paid.
01:07:05
If you don't believe me, I have the documents in my pocketbook, I can give it to you.
01:07:09
But wait, that's not the only documents.
01:07:13
They sent me another document again today with less money.
01:07:18
That they want me to walk away, walk away because I have a mental illness and they don't think anybody cares about people who have mental illness or have children who have mental illness.
01:07:33
I'm tired.
01:07:35
I work in the public.
01:07:36
Every day I go out here in this community and I beg people to give it another chance.
01:07:42
Give them another chance.
01:07:44
Do you think those words will come out of my mouth again after tonight?
01:07:48
No, they won't.
01:07:50
Ms. Green disappointed me because I poured my heart out to her.
01:07:54
I cried like a baby because I've been holding it in for three years.
01:07:59
This accident happened in 2015.
01:08:02
Last year when you asked her to help me, I did the work.
01:08:06
I did the work and in the process I had a seizure.
01:08:09
I had to be put in a hospital.
01:08:11
I couldn't even spend it first and I'm in my apartment.
01:08:18
I'm tired.
01:08:20
I done paid my dues.
01:08:23
That person that got that place over me, young, never worked in her life, allowed her boyfriend to burn up the place, don't have lights on, can't pay her rent.
01:08:37
I wish somebody would in here rent a place to me for $300 a month.
01:08:44
I'll come and clean your house.
01:08:47
You hear me?
01:08:49
I pay $920 a month.
01:08:50
$920.
01:08:50
Thank you, Ms. Hardy.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:09:02
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_24
01:09:02
Yes, Katie.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:09:09
Jesse Bryant.
SPEAKER_01
01:09:28
My name is Jessie Bryant and I'm going to cede my time to Ibi Han.
01:09:37
I'm also here to talk about the Civilian Review Board and the establishment of an independent CRB.
01:09:44
I was really disappointed and really disturbed to see that the discussion didn't happen until after midnight, after everybody had left.
01:09:54
I've watched the footage of the meeting.
01:09:57
Even after watching it a couple times, I still don't even understand what y'all are talking about.
01:10:02
I'm not sure that y'all understood what you were talking about.
01:10:05
It was pretty confusing.
01:10:07
It was also disturbing to see on the proposal that the first option was actually to turn PCAPP into an independent review board.
01:10:19
I'm not sure that can happen.
01:10:20
I don't think that can be a truly independent
01:10:24
transition because we've already seen that PCAPP has been very ineffectual.
01:10:29
As recently as this July, after the Klan rally, the chair of PCAPP said a civilian review board was not needed because CPD's current review process for civilian complaints is rigorous.
01:10:48
PCAPP's chair has been on the panel since its inception in 2008, yet has not engaged the community to come up with creative solutions to the persistent problem of community mistrust of police.
01:11:00
Instead, he's continually waited in vain on CBD to agree to be more transparent.
01:11:05
We've already seen so many different problems with the police.
01:11:10
Many of us in here were tear gassed on July 8th.
01:11:14
Sage Smith is still missing.
01:11:19
Where was PCAPP in any of those discussions?
01:11:23
Thank you.
01:11:23
We need a truly independent civilian review board.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:11:30
Dave Kumandi.
SPEAKER_09
01:11:43
Dave Kumandi.
01:11:44
I'm going to start off with the words of Assata Shakur.
01:11:47
I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property.
01:11:59
Mike Signer, you are a racist.
01:12:04
Black sisters are not going to stand down like this council and the police did on August 12th.
01:12:09
People of color know that our silence will not protect us.
01:12:13
And Mike Signer, that has you shook.
01:12:16
Nikaya Walker, who will win tomorrow, exposes you, reveals you to be a fraud and coward.
01:12:22
The fact that she stands for truth and justice and that people are rallying around her and not the candidates who you want to control like puppets as you scared.
01:12:29
So you worked with a weak newspaper to put out a hit piece on Nikaya that's full of dog whistles and racist tropes.
01:12:36
That cowardly attack on her is an attack on all of us.
01:12:41
Do you and the Daily Progress really think that we can't see through this?
01:12:44
That we're stupid?
01:12:46
Sitting here, you're actually the world's worst anonymous source.
01:12:52
You're so anonymous throwing Maurice Jones under the bus after August 12th that the council had to spank you.
01:12:58
But your ego and your Ivy League education makes you think that you're the smartest person in the room.
01:13:04
Party politics is killing this town.
01:13:06
Does the Daily Progress have any credibility left after writing that fake news?
01:13:12
and then the editorial board endorsed the two Democrats and Gillespie.
01:13:15
Does the Democrat party have any credibility left, this party that's rotten to the core, especially after last week's revelations?
01:13:24
Wes, thank you for speaking out.
01:13:25
Welcome to the election.
01:13:27
But party politics demands, unfortunately, that Wes be a Democrat first, and that's why he couldn't actually endorse Nikaya.
01:13:34
Signer, I also feel sorry for the students who are in your classes at UVA.
01:13:38
You dare teach a class on leadership.
01:13:42
I actually found a copy of the syllabus in case anyone's interested.
01:13:45
Week one is how to vote twice to keep Confederate monuments.
01:13:49
Week two is how to threaten to fire the city manager while the neo-fascists are attacking the city.
01:13:54
Week three, you teach your students on how to order the cops to arrest us.
01:13:59
Week four, you teach them how to illegally hire your crony to help cover up the negligence.
01:14:05
The week after that, you accept the award for defending democracy.
01:14:10
And then this week you taught them a lesson on how to launch a last minute racist attack on the candidate that this city really needs.
01:14:18
We're not going anywhere and we're not going to be shutting up.
01:14:21
In fact, to borrow your words, we will pray with you, pray for you with love tonight and bless your heart.
01:14:28
And tomorrow we're going to remember Assata's other words in case anybody wants to follow along.
01:14:33
It is our duty to fight for our freedom.
01:14:37
It is our duty to win.
01:14:40
We must love each other and support each other.
01:14:42
We have nothing to lose but our chains.
SPEAKER_06
01:14:49
We have nothing to lose but our chains.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:15:02
Arianna De Laurentiis.
SPEAKER_01
01:15:10
Hi, I'm Arianna.
01:15:11
I'd like to share my time with Ms. Joy Johnson.
SPEAKER_27
01:15:23
Good evening.
01:15:25
Happy birthday, Mr. Williams.
SPEAKER_06
01:15:32
Shame on you.
SPEAKER_27
01:15:38
So I'm here to also speak on the Citizen Review Board.
01:15:43
We demand the establishment of a truly independent civilian review board to address the issue of greater police accountability to residents, all residents of Charlottesville.
01:15:56
The process for creating a CRB must be public.
01:16:02
Accountable and transparent.
01:16:07
Independence starts from the beginning.
01:16:10
I've said to several counselors, Mr. Bellamy is pretty aware of it, is that when you say we, when you all say we, you are the we.
01:16:22
It doesn't include the citizens.
01:16:25
When we say we, it includes the citizens and you all also.
01:16:32
So your we's a little different when you say we.
01:16:37
So a group of residents that reflects all Charlottesville communities that are directly impacted by policing should be equal partner in the creation of a CRB, including creating its bylaw, not PCAPP, not the current board.
01:17:00
PCAP is not independent of the shoulders for the police department.
01:17:04
One member is formerly a deputy sheriff who worked for decades with CPD and PCAP on a whole has not stood up to CPD.
01:17:18
Everyone stand up if you agree with this statement.
01:17:29
Thank you.
01:17:30
I have a few more minutes.
01:17:38
I never thought that I would see the same thing that happened with Trump and Hillary Clinton in the city of Charlottesville.
01:17:51
Never thought I would see that.
01:17:53
I have more respect.
01:17:54
Even though there are things I don't like in the city, there's a lot of things that I love in the city.
01:18:01
Whoever put it out, shame on you.
01:18:07
Just shame, shame, shame, shame, shame.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:18:21
Mary Carey.
01:18:24
Yes, ma'am.
01:18:24
All right.
SPEAKER_24
01:18:34
Mary Curry, city resident.
01:18:46
This is my third time standing in front of city council to present to you a petition.
01:18:51
First time was in the 80s when I was in Garrett Square and they had no lights on those buildings down there.
01:18:59
So I came to city council with a petition.
01:19:03
At the time, the mayors were elected by the public.
01:19:07
They took my petition, and Mr. Jones co-hinged it with the city manager, real nasty man, but they took my petition, they talked to the private owners of Garrett Square, they took us three stabbings,
01:19:25
15 Muggins and a death before we got the lights up down there in Garrett Square in the 80s.
01:19:32
In the 90s, they put up fencing inside of Garrett, fencing the people in.
01:19:40
They couldn't even go see their family members came down here with a petition.
01:19:46
They moved fencing with the help of the late, great Emily Cork.
01:19:53
She said, Ms. Keriff, they put that fence back up.
01:19:56
Give me a call.
01:19:56
She was running for governor at the time with Tim Kaine.
01:19:59
She passed.
01:20:00
I moved in 2003.
01:20:03
What did they do?
01:20:04
When they found out those people had no one to speak for them down there, put the fence back up.
01:20:10
But this time, they put it around and fenced them in.
01:20:13
I'm here again.
01:20:17
Emancipation Park.
01:20:19
I got a petition going around the city.
01:20:22
These are the people online with something to say.
01:20:27
They put their statements down here on this paper.
01:20:31
I want you all to look at them.
01:20:34
I got, I wanted a thousand.
01:20:37
I got twelve hundred so far.
01:20:40
I got the written statements, the written petitions that I will show you at your next meeting because I'm looking for two thousand because I'm greedy like that.
01:20:51
So I'm going to say, you know, with all these sisters around here that's trying to fight for right, justice, and excuse me, Mr. Flagg, the American way, I'm one of them.
01:21:05
And I'm going to fight until I'm dead.
01:21:09
Do you understand me?
01:21:10
I'm 71 years old.
01:21:12
I think I got about 20 more years left.
01:21:15
And I'm going to tell all y'all something in here.
01:21:18
The only problem is over there.
01:21:19
You know the black community is the only one that's buying your papers.
01:21:23
I mean, they did yesterday.
01:21:26
But anyway, I want to give you this petition so y'all can look at them.
01:21:32
Go behind closed doors like you got the name, whatever you do.
01:21:35
But remove that name down there, because this ain't going to end.
01:21:40
It's been a long time coming.
01:21:42
and I know a change's gonna come, oh yes it will.
01:21:51
Thank you.
01:21:52
Thank you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:22:01
Michael Weber?
SPEAKER_25
01:22:05
I love y'all.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:22:07
Is Michael Weber here?
01:22:10
Is that you?
SPEAKER_10
01:22:16
So this will be something a little bit different.
01:22:18
I signed up to talk about marriage counseling.
01:22:23
My son, when he got married, was given one piece of marriage counseling by Rabbi Dan Alexander.
01:22:30
And that was to describe a couple who was engaged in an argument that became fiercer and fiercer and was spinning out of control.
01:22:39
Until finally, the wife turns to her husband and says, look, would you rather be right
01:22:46
or would you rather be married?
01:22:50
That's not a very popular thought tonight where everybody is concerned about being right.
01:22:57
But I was thinking about going back into my long history from when I was in Berkeley in the 60s and I heard Eldridge Cleaver talk about the three levels of political consciousness where people first fight against the symbols of oppression
01:23:13
then they fight against the instruments of oppression like the police and then finally they get to think about the oppressors and the oppression and the consequences of oppression and so what I would hope is that and in the next 36 hours or so that we think about how many of our fights that were done mostly on symbolic issues
01:23:41
have actually compromised our ability to deal with the oppression itself.
01:23:48
How many opportunities are being lost with respect to giving people their freedom, giving people their housing, giving people the kind of education that they really need.
01:24:00
And what is the reaction in our larger state?
01:24:05
Because we need to be frank, you know, it's not just that
01:24:09
The people of color are a minority.
01:24:11
All of us blue people are a minority in a red sea.
01:24:16
And when we wake up on Wednesday morning and there's a Republican leadership in this state, I think we all need to be thinking about, did we do anything that made it easier for Gillespie to run those racist and fear-mongering ads?
01:24:36
It's a very scary thought and if he does win, heaven forbid, it'll be viewed as a victory for Trump.
01:24:51
And this is a guy who could turn the earth into a radioactive cinder and everybody will be equal, but that's not the kind of equality that we would like to see.
01:25:02
So what I would hope
01:25:04
is that people just be a little bit more strategic in thinking about how they stand up for social justice, be a little bit less self-righteous about how they stand up for social justice.
01:25:17
And in particular, just a second, in particular I think people who are individuals have a responsibility to do that.
01:25:25
People who are elected to public office when they stand up for social justice as individuals
01:25:31
actually have implications on other people.
Katrina Turner
01:25:34
Alright, Mr. Gathers.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:25:42
Don Gathers.
Don Gathers
01:25:50
A leak.
01:25:53
That's what we're calling it.
01:25:54
A leak.
01:25:56
Last time there was a leak like this, Noah built a boat.
01:26:07
Anonymous sources, fake news, backroom deals, high level interference.
01:26:12
Our election has been hacked.
01:26:14
The only thing that's missing is the Russian players.
01:26:19
Until recently, I was proud to say that I was a registered Democrat.
01:26:24
And I'll also say that I'll be voting Democrat tomorrow, mostly Democrat.
01:26:31
Mr. Mayor, are you complicit in a last minute concerted campaign to demean and smear the candidate known as Nikaya Walker?
01:26:38
This effort, launched apparently from your office and with the assistance of the local news rag, the daily lack of progress, is both sinful and immoral.
01:26:49
Those participating in it, in my opinion, are also sinful and immoral.
01:26:54
They covertly duck behind the veil of anonymity.
01:26:59
It's sad and it's not worthy of the mantle of journalism.
01:27:02
and most assuredly does not rise to the level of what our city needs most, which is strong leadership.
01:27:08
This effort is civically irresponsible in the name of partisan politics.
01:27:15
Some insiders have effectively engaged in attempts to demean, dismantle and derail what has been an incredible and positively run campaign by Ms. Walker.
01:27:23
Because some of you have only recently come to realize what many of us already knew.
01:27:28
She can and she will win a seat tomorrow.
01:27:35
Those of you who have gotten your hands muddied in this process have only further soiled your own careers and character.
01:27:42
She is not what you tried to paint her as, an angry black woman.
01:27:47
She is a strong, powerful advocate and role model.
01:27:50
She represents strength, confidence, decisiveness, and determination.
01:27:55
It is incredulous and inconceivable that the newspaper would participate in partnering with people in such a vile and malicious manner.
01:28:06
Those guilty in city halls should be both named and shamed.
01:28:10
People of color and those of conscience should boycott the daily lack of progress.
01:28:17
And you should immediately cancel their subscriptions and I'll happily be the first and begin the boycott by canceling mine.
01:28:26
So Mr. Suarez, please notify your circulation department that I already have enough crap in my life and I don't need any additional toilet paper.
01:28:35
So please keep it.
01:28:38
To those of you in elected office, and I'm looking right at you, Mr. Mayor, who are guilty of this foolishness, know this.
01:28:44
There is surely a special place in hell waiting for you.
SPEAKER_06
01:28:48
And now this.
Don Gathers
01:28:54
The tail does not wag the dog.
01:28:57
Several months ago, Vice Mayor Bellamy asked if we could begin to get answers on the investigation.
01:29:01
You might as well turn that off.
01:29:02
Mr. Gathers, I'm going to cut you off.
01:29:04
Because I sit there and I had my ears raped by what this man had to say moments ago.
01:29:10
Tonight I'm going to finish.
01:29:13
The response that came back was what Mr. Hefe wanted to do.
01:29:17
Mr. Gathers, I respect you more than most people, but I will ask you to leave.
01:29:21
My question, who hired him?
01:29:23
Who's in charge as the employer in this scenario?
01:29:26
We're in the city of paying him to do a job for us, yet we allow him to dictate terms to us.
01:29:32
What does the diagram exist?
01:29:34
The true dichotomy that lives here between what your citizens want and deserve is what you're willing to give.
01:29:41
We're now 86 days in and we're just now beginning to get piecemeal answers.
01:29:46
We're now finding out that you were warned beforehand of some of their potential tactics and intent.
01:29:53
We now know that you were made aware that a car may be used as a weapon.
01:29:59
We now know that in an August 12th tweet from the ACLU of Virginia, the organization claimed that police said, we will not intervene until given the command to do so.
01:30:11
While that in and of itself may fall of a directed stand down order, it also does not meet the standard oath of office and honor by the police.
01:30:21
I ask where's the honor in standing by watching citizens get the literal hell beat out of them and watching idly as a Nazi fires off a shot towards a crowd where people are terrorized and brutalized and yet we're expected to remain patient, to remain understanding, to remain silent and unmoved.
01:30:40
Many shallow, hollow apologies that ring of insincerity
01:30:48
Any opposition to what is expected of the citizenry is met with apparent viciousness and backdoor room deals of evilness.
01:30:57
The hatred that presently bubbles against this city is much like the same slime that ran beneath the city's surface in the movie Ghostbusters.
01:31:05
It's simply waiting for more evilness to give cause to rise.
01:31:10
Your efforts thus far have merely placed a band-aid on an artery cut.
01:31:14
What minuscule scab that has been allowed to formulate will again be ripped off once Judge Moore finally issues his ruling.
01:31:22
I say this because, and I'm certain that you know this, regardless of how that ruling comes out, the vermin that invaded us will return.
01:31:33
I sincerely pray that you're prepared when that day happens for the riots in the streets, for destruction, for more injuries,
01:31:45
potentially more death and also more blood on your hands.
SPEAKER_28
01:32:17
My name is Constance Johnson and I live at 631 Davis Avenue.
01:32:21
I'm a native and long life resident of Charlottesville.
01:32:25
I'm here to speak about the Park Street PUD.
01:32:28
I am concerned about the proposal before the council to place a business in our neighborhood.
01:32:34
There are no other businesses in this neighborhood.
01:32:37
Currently, this area is zoned R1 low density and borders single family homes.
01:32:44
The next door home being historical with several others within a two block area.
01:32:49
The current nonprofit MACA educational facilities are set back from Park Street and are not bordering the busy Park Street area.
01:32:58
What is being asked is to place a for profit facility in our neighborhood.
01:33:02
placed two duplexes on the corner of Macca Drive and Park Street and moved the business office of Macca to the opposite corner facing Park Street by converting an existing single-family house and property, which is currently zoned R1.
01:33:19
This stretch of Park Street from North Avenue to the 250 Bypass is under terrific traffic pressure currently and continues to increase with the building on the Rio Road corridor.
01:33:31
I fear that once rezoning or PUD changes start on this stretch of road, the consequences could be significant inequality of life, character, and land values in our R1 zone neighborhood.
01:33:44
Currently, in our neighborhood, there is no four-story building on a hill with 24-7 lighting for that building and parking lot, plus the additional noise of vendor garbage and client and visitor traffic.
01:33:59
I attended the Planning Commission's hearings on this topic and submitted letters to the commissioners.
01:34:04
Their first vote on this plan was originally 3-3.
01:34:08
One commissioner changed her vote to send it on to you with a 4-2 vote.
01:34:12
Some comments the commissioners brought off were that MACA did not come to the city with their need to do something with the property and allowed discussion to commence between the city and MACA concerning possible uses for this site and for their continued existence.
01:34:28
There was concern that a PUD hasn't protected the intended use of other sites' development in the past.
01:34:35
There was concern that this PUD would adequately protect the rock gardens, its use, trees, and the environmental in general in this site.
01:34:45
And there was concern that future uses of the property, once rezoned, would not be protected.
01:34:51
Is this proposed PUD within a future envisioned by the residents of the city of Charlottesville?
01:34:57
The PUD is for a senior living facility which offers no low-income accommodations in the four-story facility.
01:35:05
The two duplexes for lower-income persons are segregated to the busy Park Street MACA corner.
01:35:14
The contribution to the affordable housing fund is an insult.
01:35:19
Where is the affordable housing in this proposal?
01:35:23
The PUD proposal income and jobs figured on face look attractive.
01:35:27
Our community needs jobs that allow people to live in Charlottesville and affordable homes.
01:35:32
This does not do that.
01:35:34
And I ask that the Park Street and surrounding neighborhoods do not become a rich street, which its current construction of a hotel or high street.
01:35:43
Thanks.
01:35:44
Thank you.
01:35:46
And those current homes and lower like High Street and Jefferson Street corridor where homes have been converted to businesses and D.D.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:35:51
Smith.
SPEAKER_28
01:35:52
Yeah.
01:35:53
and I thank you.
01:35:53
I think that bears repeating that this is a, there are no businesses in this neighborhood.
01:35:58
Thank you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:36:06
DV Smith.
01:36:09
Last call.
01:36:14
All right.
01:36:14
Okay.
01:36:15
Well, that is the end of public comments.
01:36:17
I will pass this along.
01:36:22
Walt Heineke, Amherst Street, Mr. Brown, Ms. Rice, and potentially anonymous city officials,
SPEAKER_08
01:36:52
It's a new high and lows for City Hall, for city officials, and for the Democratic Party in this town.
01:36:59
And you're all part of one big happy family and we know it.
01:37:04
I kept asking myself, why now?
01:37:05
Why did this come out now?
01:37:07
Why did this happen now?
01:37:08
And it's pretty obvious.
01:37:09
Mr. Gathers referred to it.
01:37:11
The state of Virginia has completed a preliminary report on what happened here with the racist mayhem in July and August.
01:37:21
And they're pointing their fingers right at you.
01:37:24
And so the accountability is coming right back to you right now.
01:37:28
And who's the most vociferous advocate for accountability in this city?
01:37:33
And you all are afraid that she's going to be elected and work for accountability and your accountability from inside, inside the system.
01:37:49
Now, you have to wonder,
01:37:54
Thursday, the two Democratic candidates hold a press conference, the point of which is to say they're going to work collaboratively with city council and with the city manager's office.
01:38:06
Friday, a smear article comes out that says the exact opposite, full of lies about Ms. Walker.
01:38:14
As somebody else said earlier, we're not stupid.
01:38:17
We know that y'all are in this together.
01:38:20
And I've been taught that if you see something, you say something.
01:38:25
If you see something, you say something.
01:38:28
What are you saying about this?
01:38:29
You know what happened.
01:38:31
You know who the source is.
01:38:33
You know about the collaboration.
01:38:36
You know.
01:38:36
This is nothing but Reconstruction-era white supremacy in action.
01:38:49
Donna Brazile was right and it's happening here and you're not saying anything about it in your party.
01:38:57
The Russians and Trump are polluting our democracy.
01:39:01
You know it and you're not saying anything about it.
01:39:04
You're part of the same problem as the Russian buddies with Trump.
01:39:09
You're part of that same group.
01:39:13
You're polluting our democracy.
01:39:17
If it was a city official who did it in City Hall, that's a fireable offense from what I understand.
01:39:22
Are you going to do an investigation?
01:39:24
Are you going to fire them?
01:39:27
Lastly, think about the impact of what just happened.
01:39:31
If those two Democratic candidates win and are elected tomorrow, there will be no trust in this city.
01:39:40
No trust in those two people and in this city council and the disorder that you have seen in the last six to eight months is going to get worse.
01:39:53
If you see something, say something because that disorder is coming and you're a part of it.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:40:06
Thank you.
01:40:07
And that is the end of public comment because there is no one else on the list.
01:40:12
She's not on the list.
01:40:13
There is no one else speaking.
01:40:21
And I will say we have done public hearings for many weeks so people can speak at length.
01:40:28
And I'm going to call a recess.
SPEAKER_25
01:40:35
...just as much as he is, and I don't care, I don't care if you hear me loud and I'm black, but if you hear me out loud, you're gonna hear me.
01:40:46
You're gonna hear me.
01:40:47
I'm not gonna be like the state that the state claims about, because if you can't blame the federal government, the state government, and the city government...
01:40:55
They blamed all of y'all for August the 12th.
01:40:58
And I blame you for what happened to Nakai because, Chris, didn't you say it?
01:41:02
You said it, didn't you, Chris?
01:41:04
Go ahead and admit that you're sad that Mike told you to do it.
01:41:08
Don't go ahead and admit that he told you to do it, but guess what?
01:41:11
I know I sent a newspaper this morning and I know you didn't close your eyes.
01:41:15
So you just broke something.
01:41:41
We built this whole damn old country and y'all still mad at us.
01:41:58
and y'all still want us struggling in this city.
01:42:02
We didn't ask, I'm like Malcolm X now, we didn't let no flippin' rocks, flippin' rocks land on us.
01:42:07
I didn't ask to be in Charlottesville.
01:42:09
I didn't ask to come here.
01:42:11
But now that I'm here, you still want me gone.
01:42:15
You still want me gone.
01:42:16
I move down the street a little bit further, you push me out from there.
01:42:19
I move somewhere else, you push me out from there.
01:42:22
Eventually, y'all don't want nobody here but y'all, right?
01:42:25
I can't even start a business.
01:42:26
You put me with somebody that want me to work today.
01:42:29
If I could be his project manager and help him run his business, who makes you think I can't run my own?
01:42:37
Everything that y'all do, and then you got mad today and ask this man for accountability, y'all should have been dead that.
01:42:43
You know he leaked that memo.
01:42:45
You know he put that memo out.
01:42:48
Y'all know that he did that.
01:42:49
But here's another thing, and then I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to be quiet.
01:42:52
Because the way I'm feeling right now, y'all ain't ready for me.
01:42:55
What makes you think that Natalia can't work with restrictions though?
01:43:00
Because you know how she becomes a city council lady.
01:43:03
Tomorrow, she's gonna be restricted.
01:43:05
But at the end of the day, when you got organizations that's ran by white people, but see, a lot of this stuff been ran by y'all for far too long.
01:43:12
You put these liens on our houses, you take our houses.
01:43:16
I know A.H.M.
SPEAKER_23
01:43:16
done went and dragged people for their cribs.
SPEAKER_25
01:43:19
Dragged them.
01:43:20
Dragged them for liens that they don't put on their houses.
01:43:23
And you expect this lady to not be mad when she's still got leaks in her home?
01:43:26
You was gonna try to not be mad?
01:43:29
You come fix my house and I still got a leak, I'm gonna drag you too.
01:43:32
And Mike, I think I'll drag you 100.
01:43:34
On the stand, off this mic, in the email, off the email, and every last one of y'all too.
01:43:39
The thing is, y'all so quick to blame everything on black people.
01:43:44
Black people this, drag Wes Bellamy, drag Maurice Jones, drag this person, drag that.
01:43:48
When y'all gonna get dragged off?
01:43:50
We're sitting up here doing nothing.
01:43:52
We about to get another Christian, and we gonna have another Kathy tomorrow if they win.
01:43:56
So y'all better vote wild, and y'all better vote smart.
01:44:02
One of them, she gonna ride the wave.
01:44:03
You know, Kristin been doing it for a while.
01:44:06
And then the other one, she's dumb as a doorknob.
01:44:09
So at the end of the day, when y'all gonna take accountability and stand up for what y'all did to everybody on this club.
01:44:21
And you can bring every police officer up in here, because that would already suit all of y'all anyway.
01:44:30
So bring them all up in here, and I'll bring y'all up in here.
SPEAKER_25
01:44:32
We have had meeting after meeting where people have spoken, as many people as we wanted, today we have 15 people.
01:44:53
I said we will have a review.
01:45:09
I said we will be getting a review.
01:45:21
are we going to be able to start the meeting or should we just take a break?
SPEAKER_24
01:45:43
Mr. Scathers, no.
Don Gathers
01:45:45
He spoke for two public moments.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:45:53
I'm going to ask the police to stop interrupting and if you don't stop, I'm going to ask the police officers in the back of the room to take you out.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
01:46:07
All right, all right, all right, all right.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
01:46:20
Done.
01:46:20
Done.
01:46:37
Thank you.
SPEAKER_11
02:04:25
There are a few of those.
02:05:06
Ah.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:06:14
And we'd like to, by suggestion by my colleagues and audience members, we would like to do a moment of silence for the horrific shooting that happened today in Texas.
02:06:50
Excuse me, can we close it?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:07:13
And excuse me, Mr. Mayor, if I might say that I hope that everyone who offers their thoughts and prayers which are totally appropriate on the death of 26 people who were shot and killed, that we also write to our Congress representatives and urge them to have common sense gun control measures to try to make this not such a heavily armed country where this becomes an everyday occurrence.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:07:41
Thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:07:43
OK, we're going to move on to our regular consent agenda.
02:07:48
Ms. Rice, would you mind reading it?
SPEAKER_32
02:07:52
Item A, minutes for October 16, 2017.
02:07:55
Item B, an appropriation state of good repair for bridge repairs, $10,079,968, second of two readings.
02:08:02
Item C, an appropriation local contributions for crisis intervention team, $105,910, first of two readings.
02:08:09
Item D, an Appropriation Runaway Emergency Shelter Program Grant, $209,444, first of second readings.
02:08:17
Item E, a Resolution Reprogramming of Funding for Ambulance Purchase, $175,000, first of one reading.
02:08:23
Item F, a Resolution Extension of the Affordable Housing Fund Grant Agreement with Piedmont Housing Alliance's Down Payment Assistance Program, first of one reading.
02:08:31
and item G, an ordinance for proposed changes to dog license, first of two readings.
CONSENT AGENDA
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:08:37
Does anybody want to pull an item, discuss anything particularly?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:08:43
I don't know that I need to pull it, but I would like to ask a question about one of the items.
02:08:48
I say this as a person with two dogs.
02:08:51
The proposal here to go to a long-term dog license rather than having to renew it every year I fully support, but
02:09:01
The long term, we currently have, I believe, a four dollar, well, depending on the amount,
02:09:10
per year license, and this would give a longer multi-year license for $10, a lifetime license for $10 for neutered or spayed dogs.
02:09:20
And it says in the memo that that would actually produce a loss of revenue over time.
02:09:25
And so I'm wondering why the $10 was chosen when, according to state law, we can go as high as 50, or I think, and I'm not proposing that we do that, but why we didn't find a price point that would have made it come out even, like $12 or $15 for a lifetime license.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:09:40
I believe that the reason was that we just felt that that was a fair number for us to go with at this point.
02:09:49
We weren't overly concerned about some of the things that you had raised, but we can certainly try to address that if that's the will of the council.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:09:56
I personally am happy to vote yes for this today, but I won't be on council next year, so I won't have a vote, but I would urge both the council and staff to look at over the long term
02:10:07
a higher amount because it is a lifetime thing.
02:10:11
You're saving yourself a lot of time, a lot of effort, and it's only, you know, you're paying for two years.
02:10:16
So I think a lot of people, including myself with ten-year-old dogs, would have been willing to go a little higher.
02:10:22
But I think it's fine.
02:10:24
I like the lifetime.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:10:25
If I could, if we're going to change it, we might as well change it now rather than having it come back.
02:10:33
So I support what you're saying.
02:10:37
if you want to drop it and bring it back.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:10:39
If I make a comment, I just have no basis to make a call on what number that should be.
02:10:50
So right now it's like pulling a number out of my hat.
02:10:53
So if it is something that we're all interested in revisiting, then I do want to see some comparables with other communities.
02:11:01
What would make sense?
02:11:03
Because right now I'm just relying upon what staff recommended.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:11:07
Would it be throwing off the timing for the implementation of this with the new year off if we waited two weeks and got those numbers?
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:11:14
I don't know off the top of my head, but I can check.
02:11:18
I mean, we'll make it work one way or another.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:11:20
Mr. Mayor, if I may, this is an ordinance that requires two readings.
02:11:24
We could come back.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:11:25
Well, in that case, I'm content to leave it on the consent agenda as a first reading.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:11:29
And then we can answer any questions.
02:11:29
And then we can report out all of the questions posed for the second reading.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:11:33
Thank you.
02:11:33
That sounds great.
02:11:33
Thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:11:35
Nicely resolved.
02:11:36
OK.
02:11:37
So any other questions for any other item?
02:11:40
All right.
02:11:40
Was there a second?
02:11:42
There was a motion for Mr. Fenwick.
02:11:43
I'll second then.
02:11:43
Second.
02:11:46
All in favor?
02:11:53
Great.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:11:53
OK, so we passed.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:11:54
And then the second reading's come up.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:11:57
And I have some appointments to move.
02:12:00
Yes, Mr. Fenwick.
02:12:01
I'm sorry.
02:12:02
I'd like to move the following appointments to these boards and or commissions.
02:12:07
The Charlottesville Albemarle Airport Commission, Addison Barnhart, Chris Engel.
02:12:14
The Community Development Block Grant Task Force, Kelsey Cox.
02:12:21
The Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Committee Task Force, Melvin Burris, Mark Menefee, Andrea Copeland,
02:12:29
Kay Monroe, and Karen Totten-White.
02:12:33
The Human Rights Commission, Olivia Boykin, Kelsey Lofton, and Ann Smith.
02:12:40
The Parking Advisory Board, Joan Fenton, Andrew Knuppel, Kirby Hutto, and Chris Cantalones.
02:12:51
Personnel Appeals Board, Philip De Ronzio.
02:12:56
Social Services Advisory Board, Lisa Brown, and the Water Resources Protection Advisory Committee, Rebecca Glenn.
02:13:11
I'm sorry?
02:13:12
That's a motion?
02:13:14
It will be in just a second.
02:13:16
And the YMCA Board, Tom Bowe.
02:13:21
Okay, so moved.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:13:22
Is there a second?
02:13:24
Second.
02:13:25
Okay, all in favor?
02:13:28
Okay, congratulations everyone.
02:13:31
Alright, moving on to the first item on regular business.
02:13:34
This is a public hearing and an ordinance Water Street parking garage, parking spaces lease.
02:13:39
This is the first of two readings.
PUBLIC HEARING/ORDINANCE: Water Street Parking Garage Parking Spaces Lease (carried)
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:13:41
We've got 15 minutes allocated.
02:13:44
Mr. Brown, I believe, is presenting to us first and then we've got two representatives in the applicant here to perhaps make a, add comments or answer questions.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:13:56
Thank you Mr. Mayor.
02:13:57
This is a proposed ordinance offered for first reading tonight and also this agenda item is for the receipt of bids for the lease of 75 parking spaces in the Water Street parking garage.
02:14:10
Those 75 spaces are designated on the roof of the parking garage and they are currently owned by the city.
02:14:19
Some time ago representatives of
02:14:22
The developer of the Dewberry Hotel in the downtown mall expressed an interest in leasing city-owned parking spaces in the Water Street Garage for use by the hotel's visitors, guests, and employees once the hotel was built and opened.
02:14:38
Virginia law provides that for a lease of city owned property that exceeds five years, the city must advertise and receive bids for the lease.
02:14:49
And we have advertised this draft lease in the daily progress once a week for two successive weeks as required by law.
02:14:58
Let me state briefly the process that we have to follow under Virginia law to consider the bids that may be made on this lease.
02:15:08
First the presiding officer shall read aloud or cause to be read aloud
02:15:14
a brief summary of each of the bids that have been received for public information and shall then inquire if any further bids are offered.
02:15:23
If further bids are offered, they shall be received.
02:15:27
The presiding officer shall thereafter declare the bidding closed.
02:15:30
The presiding officer shall receive recommendations from the staff relative to any bids received in advance and staff's recommendations, if any, on any bids received at the advertised council meeting.
02:15:43
Mr. Mayor, Members of Council, for bids received in advance there is one and not surprisingly this is from Deerfield Square Associates 2 LLC which is a corporate affiliate of Dewberry Capital.
02:15:59
If acceptable to you, Mr. Mayor, I will summarize this bid.
02:16:04
Each of you have a copy on the dais in front of you of the bids submitted by Deerfield Square Associates.
02:16:12
The terms of the bid as proposed by the developer of the Dewberry Hotel will be a parking space lease for 40 years.
02:16:23
The lessee, which is the hotel developer, shall have the right to terminate the lease any time before April 1, 2019 on 30 days written notice or any time after commencement of the term of the lease on one year's advance written notice.
02:16:41
The lease will begin on written notice to the city which shall be no earlier than April 1, 2019 and no later than September 30, 2020.
02:16:54
The rent schedule is set forth in the lease and it provides for 40 years of rent payments in an escalating amount with year one being $40,000, year two $60,000, year three, four and five $80,000 and then the rent increases in five-year increments through 40 years when the rent is almost $156,000 a year.
02:17:25
This will cause, if this bid is accepted, it will cause a change in the current operation of the garage in that the hotel will need access to these leased parking spaces 24 hours a day, 365 days during the year.
02:17:43
So that is the summary of the only bid received at this point.
02:17:48
Mr. Mayor, by law, you're required to invite any other bids.
02:17:53
If there are none, you can declare the bidding closed and proceed to the public hearing.
02:17:59
And of course, ask any questions that you may have.
02:18:01
And as you say, there are representatives of the hotel developer here.
SPEAKER_35
02:18:06
Thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:18:08
Any initial questions?
02:18:10
I think it might be fitting to have a representative make any remarks.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:18:12
Do you want to ask if there are any other bids?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:18:15
Oh, yes.
02:18:16
Are there any other bids present here?
02:18:18
I guess this would be the time to do that, Mr. Brown.
02:18:20
That's correct.
02:18:20
OK. Any other bids for this RFP?
02:18:25
Hearing none, it seems like we can move ahead to the next items here, which would be any questions.
02:18:31
I'll declare bidding closed.
02:18:33
Is that appropriate?
02:18:34
That's appropriate.
02:18:35
Thank you, Mr. Brown.
02:18:37
OK.
02:18:39
So any questions for Mr. Brown and colleagues?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:18:44
I have just one question just from a financial perspective.
02:18:49
So under the terms that are proposed in this particular bid,
02:18:54
On the Exhibit A terms of the bid, I've got the little chart for how much it's going to be paid over those years.
02:19:00
How much, by keeping those particular spots out of circulation for general parking, is the city or the garage altogether going to not receive?
02:19:13
So what does our opportunity cost for doing this?
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:19:18
I know we said early on but I forgot what that amount was.
02:19:24
It's a little bit of a complicated question because right now those spaces are part of a pool that are overbooked and we share revenue generated by those spaces with Charlottesville Parking Center who is the other owner of parking spaces within the pool.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:19:41
So I'm glad to like go just for a proportion like you know
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:19:44
When we take these 75 spaces and lease them as reserve spaces to one lessee, then they are removed from the pool and we lose that share of the pool but we gain 100% of the revenues to these spaces.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:20:04
But what is the share that we lose?
SPEAKER_02
02:20:08
I think the best way to answer the question is to suggest that the discount being considered here is about 24%.
02:20:15
If you look at the first 10-year period, it's a little hard to calculate beyond that, given fair market value would change.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:20:22
So this would be about 75% of what we would get?
02:20:25
Yes, if you average.
02:20:27
So it's a net loss in parking revenues.
02:20:30
I understand there are other possible gains, but in parking revenues, it's a net loss.
02:20:34
OK, thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:20:35
So I have a question.
02:20:37
Mr. Mayor, I have a question.
02:20:38
So for Mr. Brown, in regards to, as I was looking at this before, I wrote a couple of things on my phone, so in your opinion, under the city, from the city's perspective, under the bylaws of the garage condo association, like what ability do we have to lease out the spaces to a third party?
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:21:01
We have to remove those spaces from the pool
02:21:06
And I believe the condo documents require them to be on the roof, which is where they are.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:21:18
Would that be beneficial to it?
02:21:20
Is that something that you think we should look at?
02:21:22
Or is that a closed session?
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:21:25
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your question.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:21:27
So for the spaces that are available on the roof, could we, because I know that there may be a loss as it just was described, could we make that revenue back by charging a premium rate on the roof?
02:21:44
So that we're not taking a loss?
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:21:46
How can we get around this?
02:21:50
We are in, as you know, negotiations with CPC, the other parking space owner in the garage about how the garage is operated and what the rates will be.
02:22:03
I think I'm certainly not here to speak for CPC, but I think they have been aggressively pushing higher rates for the garage to generate more revenue.
02:22:13
So I think that certainly is a possibility that rates will increase.
02:22:20
I don't think you would see a premium for the spaces on the roof because I think those are generally considered to be the least desirable of spaces because they're open to the sky.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
02:22:30
I was just trying to figure out which ways that we could
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:22:32
I guess I do have a question about the logic behind the differential and the rates.
02:22:45
Am I right in thinking that when you have this long-term lease, because it's predictable, it's guaranteed, that is why the per unit cost is, or per unit revenue is lower.
02:22:58
That when you're dealing with the open
02:23:02
pool, there's not that guarantee that you're going to get all of those leased up on a weekly or daily basis so that you're giving up overall revenue for certainty.
02:23:15
Is that pretty fair to say?
02:23:19
Am I just thinking about this in a totally incorrect way?
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:23:23
No, the term a bird in the hand comes to mind.
02:23:26
That's what I'm thinking of.
02:23:27
Yes, that you're locking in rates for this block of 75 spaces for the next 75 years now.
SPEAKER_07
02:23:36
40 years.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:23:38
I'm sorry, the next 40 years, 75 spaces for the next 40 years.
02:23:43
That could be a very good deal if demand for those spaces goes down and as a result the rates drop.
02:23:51
Or it could be a very good deal for the tenant if demand increases and that drives the rates up.
02:23:58
So it's, as Mr. Ingle said, after the first 10 years it's a little bit difficult to predict just because we don't know what the market will be then.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:24:11
Okay, thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:24:14
Would anybody, the applicant like to, you don't need to but if you want to talk for a couple minutes give us any background on this.
SPEAKER_07
02:24:25
My name is David Gross and I'm the Senior Director of Business Development and Corporate Strategy for Dewberry Capital Corporation in Atlanta.
02:24:34
Thank you for inviting me in and thank you for looking at our bid.
02:24:39
I'm happy to address any questions that any of the council members may have about our bid.
02:24:46
If there are any questions, if there's any clarification required with respect to the discussion just now, let me also add that the
02:25:00
The parking rights associated with the development of the hotel are really fundamental to the feasibility of the hotel.
02:25:09
There's no other parking.
02:25:10
available to us right there.
02:25:12
It's not as though we control our own parking space as we do in other properties.
02:25:18
And we are very, very excited to move beyond this phase of the effort that we've been in with the city over these last several months so that we can move on to the next phase of developing and beginning the construction of the Dewberry, Charlottesville
02:25:37
in the very very near future.
02:25:40
The development and the opening of our hotel beyond the certainty of the parking spaces and the parking revenue that we're going to generate for the city is also projected to have very very significant beneficial impacts to the city in the way of additional property taxes, additional overnight occupancy and transient taxes,
02:26:06
additional sales taxes, additional new jobs, the driving of new guests to the downtown area.
02:26:16
So we think it would be a mistake to look at the economics of the parking arrangement in isolation to the rest of our plans for developing our next hotel here in Charlottesville.
02:26:30
I should also add that
02:26:31
certain members of our staff are going to need parking as well and when that time comes we'll come back to the city to talk about leasing up a number of spaces for our management and department heads and other staff there at the employees so that additional those additional spaces that we take up will and I don't I'm not familiar with Chris's analysis but
02:26:56
whatever additional spaces we take up would mitigate whatever impact there might be perceived in the pricing of our bid.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:27:08
General question, so when does the shovel hit the ground?
SPEAKER_07
02:27:13
Well, we need to get approval from the city on the design and we're ready to come to the city as soon as our architects are finished with their work and I've just finished looking at
02:27:21
the architect's contract.
02:27:23
So we're, you know, our commitment to the city is to get it open in the next couple of years in line with the other arrangements that were before this council back in March of this year.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:27:38
Well, I would appreciate it if John Dewberry occasionally visited here and kept us surprised, or y'all can come back anytime.
02:27:45
Just don't be strangers.
SPEAKER_07
02:27:47
Okay.
02:27:47
Well, we haven't been recently.
02:27:51
Are there any other questions I might address?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:27:53
I have a quick question.
02:27:55
This might be a little bit more background about how this fits into the business of the hotel.
02:28:00
These folks don't know necessarily a lot about how hotels are financed and how they put together.
02:28:05
So it's important to have this parking in your pro forma for getting financing, right?
02:28:14
For making the
02:28:16
We're putting the hotel together.
02:28:19
If you could just talk a little bit about how this fits into the puzzle of the Duvery coming to be.
SPEAKER_07
02:28:26
To some extent it does, but that's not the compelling reason.
02:28:32
The compelling reason is we're going to have as many as a couple of hundred or more overnight guests each night staying at the hotel.
02:28:43
many of whom will be driving their own vehicles to the hotel.
02:28:47
Those vehicles need to be kept somewhere.
02:28:49
In addition to our overnight guests, there will be other visitors to the hotel for meetings and special events for the restaurants that we're opening in the hotel, for the retail space that we'll be opening in the hotel.
02:29:07
So the real driver here
02:29:10
is a much more practical one and that is we need a place to put these cars.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:29:19
Mr. Mayor, if I could add one other point.
02:29:21
Councillor Fenwick's reference to Mr. Dewberry visiting reminded me that back in March Council discussed this when Mr. Dewberry was here and parking was discussed at that point and there was some discussion about a revenue sharing proposal where the city as rent for these spaces would get a percentage of revenue generated by those spaces.
02:29:45
I think Mr. Engle and I talked about that and saw it as being a real challenge just from a bookkeeping standpoint.
02:29:54
But at that time, I believe in March, the numbers that council mentioned were a minimum of $40,000 the first year, $60,000 the second year, and $80,000 the third year.
02:30:07
And that is consistent with the bid that's in front of you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:30:10
Great.
02:30:10
Although this is a maximum of $40,000 the first year and $60,000.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:30:13
Yes, these are maximums.
02:30:15
or flat fees, not a minimum.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:30:17
Okay, I think that's it.
02:30:24
Thank you very much.
02:30:25
Thank you.
02:30:27
So unless there's further discussion, are we ready for, was there further discussion?
02:30:31
Public hearing.
02:30:34
So we have a public hearing open now because this is an ordinance.
02:30:37
There's a sign-up sheet right here in the front, so I'm going to open the public hearing.
02:30:45
and nobody has signed up from what I can see but if anybody would like to speak about this then this is your time.
SPEAKER_19
02:30:57
Rebecca Quinn, 1044th Street here in the city.
02:31:00
You know we do occasionally get really deep and heavy snows in this area and the reason that's relevant is a few years ago there was a parking deck in Northern Virginia
02:31:14
that collapsed.
02:31:16
I believe it may have been under construction, but what happened was the snow got piled up in the wrong place.
02:31:24
Don't ask me why, you'd think parking decks would be designed for a heavy enough load.
02:31:32
So I'd like to know, and I think it's incumbent on us, I don't know if we own the building, all that's too complicated,
02:31:39
but snow that's distributed has a different kind of load than if you pile it up.
02:31:45
So I'd like to, I think the city ought to ask, how do they plan to manage or will we or the parking condo association manage the snow to satisfy their needs?
02:32:01
Do they only plow now?
02:32:04
Do they use chemicals?
02:32:06
Does the hotel have any plan for cleaning
02:32:09
Visitors cars, you know, it's an upscale hotel.
02:32:14
We know people will want snow off their cars.
02:32:17
I'd just like to know if there are going to be any chemicals involved that aren't already being used, and if so, to know that they're the kind of materials that are appropriate and won't deteriorate our building.
02:32:31
Thanks.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:32:37
And we can have answers to any questions.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:32:39
Is there anybody else?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:32:44
We have one more.
02:32:45
Mr. Jones.
SPEAKER_35
02:32:59
Good evening.
02:33:01
I'm here from the 757 Hampton Roads area of Virginia.
02:33:06
I'm the president of formerly Black Lives Matter 757 now known as BLM 757 and I am here to more or less ask what is being done about the neo-nazi situation.
02:33:18
I'm here to ask what is being done
02:33:20
about the Confederate situation and I am here to ask who everybody is representing tomorrow at the polls during the election because I am asking everybody to write Aubrey Jones in for Governor of Virginia.
02:33:31
I've contacted the necessary people and I'm here literally just to say that.
02:33:36
I'm sorry for taking up any time.
02:33:37
outside of normal business, but Charlottesville has been a prick in my heart since July the 8th when I came here and saw the police manhandling the citizens of Charlottesville, pepper bombed the citizens of Charlottesville.
02:33:51
Not sure if that's been addressed yet.
02:33:53
I was actually here to donate shirts to your citizens who were pepper bombed by your police or state police, however that went.
02:34:00
So I came back on the 12th where you were told
02:34:03
On the 8th that it would be three times as worse, rest in peace to Heather and those two officers, it was three times as worse as it was prophesied.
02:34:10
And I'm now here to say that Ralph Northam is not the man for governor, nor Ed Gillespie, nor anybody in the smear campaign ads that I keep seeing on my TV and hearing on my radio that I'm sick of hearing of, so I'm here to run for governor.
02:34:21
Sorry for wasting your time.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:34:23
Cool glasses.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:34:24
Alright, thank you.
02:34:26
Alright, anyone else on the parking spaces?
02:34:31
Okay, I'm going to close the public hearing.
02:34:35
I think it would be appropriate, do you all have any answers to the question that was raised about environmental concerns?
02:34:44
Maintenance.
02:34:46
Maintenance.
SPEAKER_07
02:34:50
Thank you.
02:34:51
I defer to Mr. Brown.
02:34:53
I think the proposed form of long term lease that's attached to the proposed form of ordinance provides that, just as the case right now, that the city and its partner will be responsible for, you know, overall maintenance of the parking deck.
02:35:12
We will have an obligation to police and maintain and
02:35:16
keep clean and not create a nuisance in the spaces that are leased to us, pursuant to the terms of lease, but the overall maintenance of the garage facility itself will remain with the party that's responsible for maintaining the garage right now.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:35:34
The city will continue to own these spaces and the spaces on the roof are owned by the city and Charlottesville Parking Center, Inc. and we, I believe, share on a proportionate basis the ongoing maintenance costs for those spaces.
02:35:53
Is that correct, Chris?
02:35:57
And I don't know whether there are chemicals used or...
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:36:01
I think between now and the second reading we can provide you with the background on snow removal that currently occurs there and if this is going to change in any way shape or form, I don't believe it will.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:36:15
Okay, thank you.
02:36:17
Alright, is there a motion on the floor?
SPEAKER_10
02:36:23
So we don't have, there was only a motion to go.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
02:36:26
Motion and a second.
02:36:28
So then we can have any comments.
02:36:29
Counselor is inclined, you can move and second the ordinance that is in your agenda materials and that ordinance will be filled in with the name Deerfield Square Associates to LLC as the lessee.
02:36:45
and the terms of the bid, which are labeled exhibit A, from the bidder will be incorporated into the form of lease that we provided.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:36:57
Mr. Mayor, so moved.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:36:59
Okay, is there a second?
02:37:02
Second.
02:37:03
Okay, and would anybody like to make a comment about anything?
02:37:06
I'll make a quick put after.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:37:07
I'd like to, I don't have a prepared statement.
02:37:10
I did vote against some of the other things in the past, and I plan to vote against this when we consider it in two weeks, unless something monumental happens.
02:37:19
And I just want to clarify that I do look forward to this hotel opening.
02:37:24
I think it will be a good addition to the mall.
02:37:27
I think, you know, people do with their property what they can, and the hotel is a fine use, even though, you know, a lot of uses have been proposed for this particular property.
02:37:37
But I do think that for the city which has already voted to give this particular private business
02:37:46
a million dollars in tax abatements over the next 10 years if they billed it by a particular date and now is foregoing parking revenue that we would otherwise realize from these parking spots in a rather contentious relationship for the parking garage itself, which we don't know how this locks us into the future of, is for a business that is doing this and will continue to make profits off of this hotel for many years to come,
02:38:15
I do understand we will get revenue from occupancy tax, sales tax.
02:38:20
I love the fact that visitors will be coming downtown, but the jobs that it provides are generally low-wage jobs.
02:38:26
Most of the people who work there probably won't be able to afford to live in apartments nearby, so they'll be driving in and out.
02:38:34
And I just think that this is a company that is trying to
02:38:40
get the city to help it with its profit margin and finance something that I think they should be able to finance if it's a viable business plan.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:38:55
I'll give a quick counterpoint.
02:38:59
Running for this office I heard about the Landmark Hotel from every corner of every part of the city almost every day and it was usually in a tone of anger and it is
02:39:09
The reason it stayed empty for so long is it's a really complicated problem to solve.
02:39:14
The building was built the way that it was built as a hotel, but with the ceiling heights it had with no parking.
02:39:20
It was acquired in the way that it was is just a tough nut to crack.
02:39:24
And we hear all the time about, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of, you know, a lot of legitimate frustration with the things in the city, but we hear all the time about what are you going to do?
02:39:34
And this is a fairly complicated multi-part
02:39:38
approach that was heavily negotiated with a lot of very good work by staff, including, as Mr. Brown said, getting this parking deal down to the scale that, you know, away from what they asked for in the beginning to what we wanted.
02:39:52
And parking is just one part of this thing.
02:39:55
And all this is because there's not really another good option on the horizon that wouldn't leave this vacant for many more years.
02:40:01
And it is actually getting the landmark hotel this awful
02:40:08
you know stake in the heart of downtown Charlottesville as it is right now developed and prospering to the city and bringing in tax revenue.
02:40:15
All the things that people said where it was a giveaway, it's not.
02:40:18
It's a tax abatement on revenue that we get.
02:40:21
So they don't get anything from us until they start doing their business.
02:40:27
And I hear what you're saying about a discount on the parking revenue, but even that was negotiated very heavily.
02:40:33
So it's a legitimate point that it's a discount, and I see that.
02:40:37
But it is linked into the other parts of getting a hotel up and running that doesn't have parking.
02:40:42
There's no parking.
02:40:43
So how are you going to
02:40:43
it's a really tough situation but I think that anyway I just wanted to say I think that in five years when hopefully when it's doing good business all this will look fairly different and even this kind of skepticism has helped improve I think the negotiations that the city has done.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:41:01
Just to clarify I am not averse to offering this rooftop parking to the Dewberry Hotel.
02:41:08
I just think we should be offering it at market rate for their reserve spots on the roof.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:41:16
Mr. Mayor, I just have one comment.
02:41:19
I'm reflecting on what motivated me to support this program and this program that winds up supporting the redevelopment effort.
02:41:31
I vividly remember when a beam or a structural element of the hotel was blown off by a strong wind and it came crashing down the CVS building next door, posing as terrible hazard to our community.
02:41:46
The place is falling apart.
02:41:48
It needs to be rebuilt.
02:41:50
It needs to be done as quickly as possible.
02:41:53
This was the way to get them to start committing the building.
02:41:56
We will not be giving them any tax relief at all until we see it coming up out of the ground again.
02:42:04
And so I just wanted to underscore that.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:42:05
OK, so we have a motion and a second.
02:42:09
We're ready to move on because there will be a full vote on this in the next upcoming meeting.
02:42:13
Any further?
02:42:16
Okay.
02:42:17
All right.
02:42:17
Let's move on to the next item on the agenda.
02:42:19
This is another public hearing and ordinance.
02:42:21
We will do a public hearing on it.
02:42:22
Dominion utility easement at Ragged Mountain Reservoir.
PUBLIC HEARING/ORDINANCE: Dominion Utility Easement at Ragged Mountain Reservoir (carried)
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:42:25
First of two readings.
02:42:26
Again, we'll do a motion and a second.
02:42:28
Very brief time allocated to this.
02:42:30
Ten minutes.
02:42:31
Brian Daley, Director of Parks and Recreation will be presenting.
SPEAKER_36
02:42:39
Good evening Mr. Mayor and members of City Council.
02:42:41
The item before you this evening is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance granting a utility easement to Dominion Energy at the Ragged Mountain Reservoir for the purpose of undergrounding an existing overhead power line that provides power service to the Ragged Mountain Dam.
02:42:55
The easement would provide Dominion with the necessary permissions to underground this power line.
02:42:59
Dominion intends to use a boring method of undergrounding which would eliminate the need for removal of any trees or vegetation.
02:43:06
along the alignment of the existing line as well as the proposed line.
02:43:11
City staff are working with staff of the Rivanna Water and Sewer Authority to ensure that the proposed undergrounding of this service line will not conflict with the future line connecting the South Fork Rivanna Reservoir with the Ragged Mountain Reservoir.
02:43:24
That project is currently in the very initial design phase.
02:43:28
Prior to the second reading of the ordinance, staff will continue to coordinate with Rivanna to confirm any conflicts with future projects are considered
02:43:36
and the final easement language.
02:43:38
Lastly, staff do not anticipate any disruptions of public access to the Ragged Mountain area as a result of the undergrounding of the service line.
02:43:46
I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
02:43:49
Thank you.
02:43:52
Questions?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:43:54
Mr. Daley, you answered mine earlier today, or yesterday.
02:43:58
Thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:44:03
Okay.
02:44:05
If there are any questions, let's open the public hearing on this matter, which is right down there.
02:44:11
Public hearing open.
02:44:13
Nobody's signed up, but if anybody would like to sign up, it's right down here.
02:44:18
Going once.
02:44:20
Going twice.
02:44:20
Okay.
02:44:22
Close the public hearing.
02:44:23
All right.
02:44:24
Any further questions, discussion?
02:44:26
Ready for a motion?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:44:28
I will make a motion that we authorize the conveyance of easements to Dominion Energy, Virginia, across city-owned land known as Ragged Mountain Natural Area.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:44:35
Is there a second?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
02:44:37
Second.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:44:37
Okay, that's all we need to do right now.
02:44:39
Moving on to the next item in the agenda report.
REPORT: FY 2018 - 2020 Strategic Plan and City Council 2017 Workplan
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
02:44:43
This is fiscal year 2018-2020 strategic plan and city council 2017 work plan.
02:44:48
We've got 30 minutes allocated to this.
02:44:50
Ms. Leslie, a lot of work has gone into this.
02:44:53
A long time coming.
02:44:54
Ms. Leslie Beauregard, assistant city manager, will be presenting
02:45:02
That's expected, you might.
SPEAKER_05
02:45:21
All right.
02:45:23
Thank you, Mayor Signer, members of City Council.
02:45:26
This is the first report you've received since City Council adopted the strategic plan and the council work plan back in June.
02:45:39
I'll just remind you where we've been.
02:45:41
So this is the history you saw last time and the items since you've approved the plan, the summer and fall, we've been working with the strategic plan core team, which you received a charter of in your material, which is basically our department heads and staff that are working on implementation strategies and we meet monthly.
02:46:01
So here we are tonight.
02:46:02
We have the first report.
02:46:03
I'm going to talk mostly about the new webpage, the charlottesville.org slash data webpage.
02:46:08
and then in December or January we'll take a deeper dive into the strategic plan when you meet in January for your retreat as we start talking about the next iteration of your work plan and start talking about budget planning.
02:46:22
So I like this chart, I stole this chart.
02:46:27
So we talked about in the strategic plan what you all did was you told us what we should measure and so that's mostly what you had worked on in the year leading up to the new strategic plan.
02:46:35
We've worked since June and it has been a really, it's been a ton of work from a ton of people actually collecting and reporting that data and that's what's on the website now.
02:46:45
Now what we're going to ask from you is help in translating that data and information into insight and I'll talk about that at the end of the presentation.
02:46:54
So here's our new website, charlesville.org slash data.
02:46:57
You know about the open data website, which if this were live, you could scroll down to see that.
02:47:02
So now we have all of our data in one place.
02:47:05
We have, I'll talk about the economic indicators.
02:47:08
That's a feature, that's a special feature that we can change up frequently.
02:47:12
We have the strategic plan.
02:47:14
Each department has their own scorecard, not every department, and we're working on that.
02:47:18
I'll talk about that too.
02:47:19
And then the city council work plan, and then the efficiency study updates.
02:47:25
So this is kind of a feature we're going to try to do and I don't know how often we'll update this.
02:47:30
This is the first one we picked called Economic Indicators.
02:47:34
As we're coming up on the budget, this might be interesting to see.
02:47:38
These have been updated through mostly calendar year 16 and through June.
02:47:43
We'll be doing another update at the end of this calendar year on these.
02:47:47
So these were basically indicators that talk about our economy and if you were on the webpage you could scroll down and see revenue indicators as well.
02:47:54
So we thought it would be a nice idea to kind of have some kind of feature of the strategic plan on that link that showed you something, some area of the plan that was of interest and that we could really dig a little bit deeper on.
02:48:08
So as you dig into the strategic plan, when you click on that link you see each of the goals and each of those we've now completed the outcome measures and if you click on each of those you'll see the baseline for each of those outcome measures and that's for every goal at each of the five.
02:48:24
And then underneath objectives, if you recall, you developed intermediate measures and each of those also have data in them, except for the blue dots.
02:48:32
Those mean we're still working on that data and we'll be trying to get that information in the future.
02:48:38
And then, of course, every goal has several initiatives tied to it and those also have information behind them.
02:48:49
Here's an example of what an objective page looks like.
02:48:53
So this is under develop a quality workforce under goal four.
02:48:56
So each of them would have a current strategy.
02:48:57
It's linked back to the initiative.
02:49:00
Most of these, probably 90% of these, are tied directly to what some work a department is doing.
02:49:05
In this case, it's economic development.
02:49:07
And then you would see charts with the data that go with that objective.
02:49:15
This is just an example of a measure page.
02:49:18
They have a description and analysis and of course the data.
02:49:20
In this case it's the Commissioner of Revenue number of businesses by sector.
02:49:23
And in many cases you see more than one chart.
02:49:26
In this case there's another chart that I'm not showing which is really interesting that shows the type of business by sector.
02:49:31
So that's also really interesting data to look at.
02:49:34
This is just the total.
02:49:35
And then here's an example of an initiative page.
02:49:39
It has a description.
02:49:40
Most of them talk about why and what it achieves.
02:49:42
And then we talk about the status.
02:49:45
and again this is under economic development.
02:49:47
This is the growing opportunities report.
02:49:51
When you come to your work plan, that's on a different scorecard.
02:49:54
It's on another box within that data webpage.
02:49:57
Each of these initiatives were identified when you approved your work plan back in June.
02:50:05
and under each initiative there's a description and recommendations and then there's milestones.
02:50:10
You see the Gantt chart below and then the green typically means that that's on target.
02:50:16
We're still kind of figuring out kind of timing of things so if you see something that looks weird you just need to let me know or let the staff know and then we can discuss that.
02:50:30
So I showed this chart initially.
02:50:33
So what we're really asking tonight, I'm not going into detail, it's a lot of information on the website.
02:50:39
Staff really would like you to look at it, especially between now when we first start meeting on the budget in December, and of course building up to your retreat in January.
02:50:49
So how do we start translating data and information into the info?
02:50:54
So what we need from you is we prepare the 19th budget.
02:50:56
We want to know how we do this.
02:50:59
And partly this is how you need to tell us what your highest priorities are.
02:51:03
We have a three-year plan.
02:51:05
It doesn't mean everything can get done at once.
02:51:08
Some items, just by necessity, have to take precedent over others.
02:51:12
And so what we'd like to work with you on as we start the budget process and at your retreat is how do we prioritize these items so we can really dig deeper into those items that you care deeply about.
02:51:22
and as the new council members come on board, of course, we'll engage them as well.
02:51:26
The strategic plan core team will be providing the process and support that helped do this.
02:51:31
So for instance, these are just a few examples with lead team.
02:51:34
We were going to be looking and talking about the measures on a regular basis.
02:51:37
We've actually added a lead team.
02:51:39
We've usually had one department head meeting a month.
02:51:42
We've added a second meeting and so we're going to use that second meeting to be strategic.
02:51:47
So that will be the meeting that we use to discuss the measures.
02:51:50
If something doesn't look right, we'll dig deeper.
02:51:52
We'll have those conversations.
02:51:53
And half the battle of this is just talking about what those mean.
02:51:57
We're also developing department work plans.
02:51:59
So this aligns the strategic with operational programs.
02:52:02
So departments will have, through the end of this calendar year, which is less than two months from now, to come up with a draft plan.
02:52:09
And they've been provided templates and assistance to do this.
02:52:14
and then they have to have their final plans finished by next June of 2018 and they'll not only align with the strategic plan but then they also want to show what they care about in their own operational department that may not be strategic but they're important to the city and to the work that has to get done and they speak about the services they're providing.
02:52:34
So that is my presentation and like I said we will be continuing this conversation
02:52:43
As we start to talk about the budget next month, we have our first budget work session on December 7th.
02:52:48
And so, again, I'd like to hear if you have thoughts tonight about kind of some of the things you would like to look at deeper.
02:52:56
If not, we can wait until that time.
02:52:59
But I would be happy to answer any questions or take any comments.
02:53:03
Thank you.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:53:16
Thank you.
02:53:17
Questions?
02:53:19
General question.
02:53:21
The city's going to be in recovery for some time.
02:53:25
So how is the recovery effort reflected in what you just presented?
02:53:30
How are you going to fold it into or on top of everything else?
SPEAKER_05
02:53:35
I think that's up to city council that they have in the strategic plan.
02:53:39
There are strategic items on affordable housing, workforce development.
02:53:44
I think that just depends on the discussions you all want to have in terms of what that recovery looks like.
02:53:48
I think there's definitely elements of the strategic plan that aren't necessarily called recovery, but they're items that would benefit the community as a whole that you all are trying to address.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:53:58
So in your meetings, does the word recovery ever come up?
SPEAKER_05
02:54:01
No it does not.
02:54:03
Do we meet in our core team meetings?
02:54:05
No sir.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
02:54:06
Since August 12th.
SPEAKER_05
02:54:08
No it has not.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:54:14
I have several questions and thank you very much Miss Beauregard.
02:54:20
So, and these are kind of high level questions because I haven't more gone into the details of each objective and initiative, but
02:54:31
It's my understanding that when we, when council gave the directive to go and move forward with an efficiency study, the main goal for that was to make sure that we had the most effective government bureaucracy that we could get in order to implement the strategic plan.
02:54:48
So that they were tied in my mind anyway.
02:54:53
So could you kind of in a brief narrative just explain or
02:55:00
How the recommendations from the efficiency study relates to the strategic plan and how does the work plan relate to the strategic plan and the efficiency study?
02:55:10
There's all these pieces.
SPEAKER_05
02:55:11
Right.
02:55:11
There are a lot of pieces.
02:55:12
Well, let me speak to the work plan first.
02:55:15
There are definitely some items in the work plan that tie directly with the strategic plan.
02:55:20
For example, affordable housing, community engagement.
02:55:23
There's several items on there that relate directly to the comprehensive plans, such as SIA, Streets That Work.
02:55:29
So I think those items very easily fall within the strategic plan.
02:55:32
There are others that don't so nicely fit, like the Dewberry Hotel.
02:55:37
Unless you were to somehow maybe couch that under economic drivers, which is under goal four,
02:55:46
So I think there's probably an element to every work plan item that fits, some better than others.
02:55:54
I think when it comes to the efficiency study, again, I think a lot of those are just about operational efficiencies, and they're probably, they're strategic in their own way, but you know, to be honest, we haven't talked much about how neatly the efficiency study recommendations fit in a strategic plan, and I think that discussion will have to be had when we start talking about paying for those things.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:56:14
Okay.
SPEAKER_05
02:56:14
So we haven't paid for a lot of the recommendations in the efficiency study yet, but I anticipate that as part of the 19 budget process going forward, that will be the case.
02:56:23
And so it would be nice to align those with strategic plans so that you can have that direct alignment.
02:56:28
And we'll do that work once we know more kind of what the priorities are.
02:56:32
What can we afford to do?
02:56:34
I mean, I think there's several low hanging fruit off the efficiency study that we're going to try to do in 19 and others that take more decision making.
02:56:43
And so we'll just see how those all tie together.
02:56:44
But I think there are linkages to all three.
02:56:48
So I think I tied together the work plan and the strategic plan better than the efficiency study piece.
02:56:53
But like I said, as we get into the budget, that piece will have to be discussed for sure.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:56:58
Does that answer your question?
02:57:01
Some of it yes and then the rest will be determined.
02:57:05
I read that we have a strategic plan core team and we have a lead team.
02:57:14
Are some people on same teams?
SPEAKER_05
02:57:19
So the strategic plan core team is made up of 11 individuals and all but two are on lead team, are department heads.
02:57:29
I actually restructured the strategic plan team after this plan was adopted.
02:57:34
We used to have a much larger, we were called SPAT, Strategic Plan Action Team and it was 20 individuals and it was actually not the majority department heads and the difficulty with that was that it was, we felt, the team felt it was difficult to get that department head buy-in because department heads weren't engaged in the process as much as they should have been on that first reiteration of the strategic plan.
02:57:55
Once this new plan was adopted, I changed that up.
02:57:58
We have now almost all department heads except two and it has been much better.
02:58:04
I mean the engagement is there.
02:58:06
I'm really pleased with how the team is working together right now.
02:58:10
They are actually coming up with real action steps and it's at that lead team level and they're talking about how do they then drill it down into their own departments and start really focusing on how do we get the plan down into the culture of the organization.
02:58:24
and so that's the discussion we were missing before, at least on the staff level.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:58:29
So the core team really is like the lead team?
SPEAKER_05
02:58:31
It's just a smaller subset.
02:58:33
Okay, that helps.
02:58:34
Because the lead team's like 25, so this is 11.
02:58:36
Got it, got it.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:58:37
So it's a distillation of the...
02:58:38
Yes.
02:58:39
And then the city manager relative to all this has been called the sponsor of the core team.
02:58:48
What does that mean?
SPEAKER_05
02:58:50
the sponsor of
02:59:01
Oh, right.
02:59:02
So basically, what we felt like that meant was that the city manager is basically telling us to go forth and do.
02:59:11
That's all that is.
02:59:12
It's just giving us the authority to implement the strategic plan.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:59:15
Oh, so it's still the authority is within the city manager.
02:59:18
Correct.
02:59:19
But we're doing the work.
02:59:20
Okay.
02:59:21
Yes, ma'am.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
02:59:21
Got it.
02:59:22
The way I look at it is kind of a champion for this effort.
02:59:25
Yes.
02:59:25
Correct.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
02:59:26
Okay.
02:59:27
Because it got a little confusing to me as to
02:59:29
was the core team somehow in charge and who had the authority to do what.
02:59:35
But it really is still, the authority still comes down to the manager.
02:59:40
And my last batch, so we have P3 measures from 2009 and strategic plan performance metrics and efficiency study recommendations from 2016.
02:59:53
So since the P3 system was instituted in 09,
02:59:58
And your estimation, has the efficiency of the city government improved?
SPEAKER_05
03:00:04
I think as a result of P3, or is that what you're asking, resulting from P3?
03:00:17
I will say based on our previous kind of how we were set up, because P3 just kind of represents the mechanism of how we're doing our strategic planning process.
03:00:30
I would say that because that alone maybe didn't contribute as much to efficiencies as I would like to have had that happen, but now with our new structure with the department heads and the core team, I feel a lot better about that going forward.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:00:43
So my next question is, since we got
03:00:46
This new structure, and we've got the strategic plan goals, objectives, and performance metrics.
03:00:52
Could those replace the P3?
SPEAKER_05
03:00:55
Well, P3, it's the same thing.
03:00:58
P3 just speaks to the mechanism through which we operate.
03:01:01
I just want to make sure there's no extra work and layers.
03:01:05
So kind of what P3 is kind of our brand now.
03:01:08
It's like when we talk about P3, we're really talking about the process.
03:01:12
So it's not really as public facing
03:01:14
That part.
03:01:15
So the people talk about P3 like as a thing, which is really cool because that's what they're talking about is strategic planning.
03:01:21
They're talking about, okay, intentionally being strategic.
03:01:24
And so that's kind of our branding, but it's much more internal, I think, than it is made public facing to the public facing piece of this is the data now.
03:01:32
which is the website that we've put out there.
03:01:35
So those various elements that now speak to that are more of the public facing, but the P3 really speaks to our internal process that we're using, which is plan, perform, perfect.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:01:46
But the public will see mainly the strategic plan goals?
SPEAKER_05
03:01:49
Yes, so my preference, to be honest, is that everything kind of lives under the strategic plan and everything's built around that.
03:01:59
So even as you develop your work plan, you have that in mind.
03:02:02
And as we look at the efficiency study, we have that in mind because it makes it a lot easier because then you don't have duplication, to be honest.
03:02:09
And so when we refine these things in your January retreat, I'd like you to, I mean, we'll try to structure that so you say, okay, think of the strategic plan as like your main document.
03:02:18
Structure everything in that, around that, and if there's something that falls out of it, we need to talk about that because maybe it needs to be added or maybe it's not that important.
03:02:27
So that's where the prioritization is helpful because we have three years to do the items in our plan.
03:02:32
and so then we pick the things that are clearly the most important to this council and the other things kind of wait a little bit and that's okay.
03:02:42
Great, thank you.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:02:45
I guess more comment than a question.
03:02:47
I will say I've been on council for eight years, and when I first met you, I wanted to talk about how do we figure out what's getting better, what's getting worse, how do we keep track of stuff?
03:02:58
And you had this incredible kind of in your head, and you were already starting to do it, this idea of how we could make data accessible to the public.
03:03:07
and to departments so that they would know if what they were doing was actually accomplishing anything.
03:03:13
And so I've watched you just work your tail off at first as budget director, no finance, budget director, and now as assistant city manager.
03:03:23
And I think what's really cool about that is that two major initiatives have come forward this year.
03:03:28
One is documenting what we were talking about today of looking at strategic plan and
03:03:34
and having charts and graphs and all this stuff to document that.
03:03:37
But you were already ready because a lot of the stuff you've been working on for eight years was that.
03:03:42
Now it's in a form that we can link to that and that's really helpful.
03:03:47
The other piece was when we did the open data policy to say that we wanted data from the city to be available to the public.
03:03:54
not only for transparency so people know what we're doing but so they could use the data and be able to manipulate it and get it out in different ways than we might get it out and you're already doing that through the same process and so it's really teed us up, it's teed you up to be incredibly responsive to the things that we've
03:04:10
I think in a city that hadn't already been doing that, this response could have taken years and instead it's sitting in front of us on the website.
03:04:22
It's certainly not going to be perfect.
03:04:25
I'm sure I will be among those who go through and say, wait a minute, what about?
03:04:29
But I think the fact that you have been just steady and the city staff has participated in this.
03:04:36
To me, it looks willingly.
03:04:38
I'm assuming generally it's willingly.
03:04:39
It's a lot of hard work.
03:04:44
Part of our job is sometimes to critique or criticize things that happen, and this is an area where I think I am just so impressed with your vision for this and the way that it has come out to us.
SPEAKER_05
03:04:54
Thank you.
03:04:56
Over the years, I can't believe it's been like nine years.
03:04:59
Over the years we've brought people on board as staff who share the vision and then can help execute it because I couldn't have done it.
03:05:06
Obviously I didn't do it alone and I would never take credit for that.
03:05:08
Take a little.
03:05:10
I'll take a little.
03:05:11
But we have over 40 people that are using our scorecard system now and Maya Kumizawa in my office has trained all of them and we just had a session with Clearpoint Strategies who is the company that builds the software
03:05:23
and they had a very high level discussion with us about why, how we could use ClearPoint which is the scorecard software you're seeing as a reporting tool but as a decision making tool.
03:05:33
And it was amazing.
03:05:34
And we had department heads there.
03:05:35
And it was really, really positive to see the positive feedback.
03:05:39
So I think we're kind of on the cusp of something really cool.
03:05:41
And we just kind of get over the boundary and get over to the next level.
03:05:45
And we're there.
03:05:46
I mean, we're so close.
03:05:48
And we just got to keep the momentum going.
03:05:51
But it's there.
03:05:52
The momentum is there.
03:05:52
And the core team has had tremendous momentum.
03:05:56
and yeah, I don't, I think in the short time they've been meeting, which is only maybe three times since you adopted the plan, we've done, they've done an tremendous amount of work.
03:06:05
So, and over the summer with everything else going on.
SPEAKER_12
03:06:08
So, kudos to them as well.
SPEAKER_05
03:06:10
So, but thank you very much for those words.
03:06:12
It means a lot.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:06:15
I too want to praise you and thank you and especially part of this relates to the open data project which is just so exciting and every event I've been to related to this has been overflowing and just really lots of people 20 years earlier than me all very excited.
SPEAKER_05
03:06:29
Who know how to do that type of stuff.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:06:31
Yeah, opening up the hood.
03:06:33
Good for them.
03:06:34
That's it.
03:06:34
So I have a couple of questions.
03:06:36
This is meant to be very constructive as this takes iterations for the public.
03:06:41
I think we've got to be really
03:06:43
you know again because these folks who pay attention to platforms like this are justifiably very scrutinizing and so just a couple things the I am not totally sure we got to have the confidence people look at this like a hundred percent or close to and the way in which we use the
03:07:05
the symbols.
03:07:06
So if green is at or above plan, I think we've got to be very careful with that conclusion on some of these things.
03:07:15
So when I'm looking at the work plan, and this is the one that I focus on the most because we did this retreat last year where all of us went through our different priorities.
03:07:28
So, art support strategy I'm not sure is an upper green arrow yet.
03:07:32
We have had a good, really promising conversation about this with the county and there's a lot, there's a very interesting, promising discussion, but I'm not sure it's there yet in terms of
03:07:44
knowing that we are exceeding our hopes.
03:07:49
I think it will be in four or five months.
03:07:51
And small area plans too, I'm not 100% sure that that's an upper green area yet because the Cherry Avenue one, which has been in the works for a long time, that's slated for like
03:08:02
a year and a half away.
03:08:04
I want to be careful.
03:08:06
There may be a gradation in here that we can maybe one more.
03:08:10
It's sort of like a half clap between.
SPEAKER_05
03:08:13
And actually Ms. Szakos had a great idea.
03:08:15
I talked to her the other day.
03:08:16
She had a suggestion.
03:08:17
I think we can just build these legend icons out ourselves.
03:08:21
it's one of those we built ourselves to have one that was kind of green with red slashes to say it was finished but it wasn't done on time so that makes you kind of go back and question your timelines like well maybe we're being over competent in our timelines it got done but it was like two months late
03:08:37
and so I think if you have ideas about that we'd love to hear it because that was the hardest part of this was struggling with those icons like what does this mean you know and so I was kind of counting on departments to do that but then some of it was just judgment you know it's just like well this could be what this means and yeah we're on status for this but you're right some of those that aren't finished
03:08:57
We don't know, you know, you wouldn't really know what the stat, if you're looking at it from that perspective.
03:09:01
So I think there's, there's definitely, that's, that was the most uncomfortable area doing this.
03:09:06
Yeah, that's great feedback though.
03:09:08
And it will evolve, right?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:09:10
So.
03:09:11
And for that one, you could even do a sideways green arrow and say it's on track, but not done.
SPEAKER_05
03:09:15
Yeah, so if you have suggestions or if you've seen cool examples somewhere else, but we would, obviously when we meet in January, that would be a really good time to dig into these things and say, no, maybe that's not this, it should be this.
03:09:27
And you can really hone in on that some more, but, you know.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:09:31
without adding any work at all.
03:09:34
But I know in tech, in the tech world, you know, you commonly are sort of focus grouping platforms or apps to get just a regular person.
03:09:42
What is it like for them to sit down and use a water there?
03:09:45
Because we're all thinking through the lens of government policy and all that stuff.
03:09:48
And it might be worth pulling people aside at one of our
03:09:54
you know, town halls or something and having a booth where people are tested while they're not asking questions and just focus group them.
SPEAKER_05
03:10:01
So it's interesting you say that because, Chris, I don't know if you remember nine years ago, or it wasn't quite nine years ago, when we were bringing out the first rearration of measures, we did that actually.
03:10:11
So that's not, we totally, we absolutely did that.
03:10:14
I had people from UVA, I had people from the community and they reviewed it and provided feedback and it was a really good experience but I would love to come to town halls and share this and have people react to it.
03:10:24
and we could have a booth or something and they could look through it and provide you know their input because yeah some of us are looking at it constantly going oh we don't see you know what everybody else is seeing so that would be that's a great idea.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:10:38
So I just, in terms of process, we should just keep sending you our comments because of, you know, like digging down into this and just let you know what would, like I know as a counselor it would be good on some of those charts as they get developed is to have some way of identifying a decision point that has to be made from council or the planning commission or whoever it is, some body so that it stays on track.
03:11:06
Yes.
03:11:07
and if it gets to the point where things are being delayed, what is that a flag to mean you need more resources?
03:11:14
When do you need a consultant?
03:11:16
When do you need extra staff?
03:11:18
That would be really valuable to start understanding those kinds of kind of forks in the road.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:11:31
And I've just gotten an email that says that UEA has a data visualization team that would be eager to help.
SPEAKER_05
03:11:39
and our open data folks when we have folks from UVA also on that.
03:11:45
Yeah, we hadn't really engaged them on this.
03:11:48
I mean, we've been focusing a lot on open data, but I think this is the time to do that.
03:11:52
But they've been providing feedback on the website overall.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:12:00
All righty.
03:12:02
Thank you.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:12:02
Thank you very much for your hard work.
SPEAKER_05
03:12:04
Thank you very much and we will, if you do have any suggestions please let me know and we'll be kind of preparing information for the budget work sessions coming up in the new retreat and so if something you know strikes you just let let me know and you know we can we can address that so great thank you so much.
03:12:20
Thank you.
ORDINANCE: Park Street Planned Unit Development Rezoning Request (carried)
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:12:22
Next item on the agenda is an ordinance Park Street planned unit development rezoning request first of two readings with 30 minutes allocated this we do not have a public hearing on this because there was a public hearing at the Planning Commission when this was heard and we were the City Council was present there so that's how those that's how those work and Miss Heather Neumeier with City Planner with Neighbor Development Services will be presenting
SPEAKER_12
03:12:50
and the applicant also has a brief presentation, so I'm going to try to be as brief as possible since we have 30 minutes.
03:12:58
So good evening, counselors.
03:13:00
Before you tonight is the PUD request for 1021, 1023 and 1025 Park Street plan unit development, otherwise known as the MACA PUD request.
03:13:10
I will briefly go over the actual application, the request, the council standard of review,
03:13:16
Staff's overview of the analysis, the Planning Commission's discussion and recommendation, and then the community engagement piece that has been throughout the ongoing process.
03:13:28
So the application started back in March 2017 with various meetings along the way, so many of you are very familiar with this project already.
03:13:37
the application went before Planning Commission August 2017 for an informal public hearing then at that point revisions were made by the applicant to address in efforts to address staffs and citizens in the Planning Commission City Council's concerns prior to coming back to the October 10th public hearing so the applicant as it stands now is as follows they're seeking to rezone the properties from low density residential R1 to plan unit development with proffers
03:14:06
The proffers include one, providing two duplexes, so four units total, of age restricted housing affordable to households earning 80% of area median income.
03:14:17
This effort, which would be coordinated with the housing program coordinator on compliance and reporting, and then two, a donation of $75,000 to the Charlottesville Affordable Housing Fund.
03:14:28
The applicant's request proposes what they're calling an intergenerational campus that would locate a senior housing facility containing a mix of assisted living and independent units, 141 units proposed, on the current MACA site, which is located at 1025 Park Street, and that then they would relocate MACA's operation and facilities to the adjacent Stone House, which is located at 1021 Park Street,
03:14:52
with a new school building proposed behind the stone house.
03:14:55
And then finally at 1023 Park Street, the existing single family residence would come down and the four age restricted affordable units mentioned before would be constructed to front on Park Street as two duplexes.
03:15:08
The total mix of units is 145.
03:15:11
On page two of your action taken memo, there's a list of the major changes that were made between August and October 10th.
03:15:17
but a few that I would like to mention specifically are the proffers were added, the intersection improvements at Macca Drive and Park Street were revised to remove the left turn out of Macca Drive so there's no longer a left turn.
03:15:31
There was a reduction in the number of total of units from 151 to 145.
03:15:35
The height of the senior living facility went from five stories to four stories and the surface parking was reduced from 164 to 140 spaces
03:15:46
where 47 spaces are proposed as permeable pavers.
03:15:50
So as your standard of review, you may grant a rezoning request based off the factors listed set forth in Section 3442, which is in your attachments as number two, and then going off of Planning Commission's recommendation.
03:16:05
Then there's also a list of relevant code sections on page 3 in your action taken memo.
03:16:10
Some of these are the PUD objectives, the 2013 land use designation, and then the streets that were guidelines.
03:16:18
So briefly, I wanted to go over staff's recommendation and reviews.
03:16:23
We have found that the concept of this provides a unique opportunity to provide not only housing for the aging population, but to sustain MACA, an organization that provides programs that meet many of the city's goals in serving the low income community and commits to providing the four affordable age restricted units on site.
03:16:42
In addition to that, the layout demonstrates efforts to provide environmentally sensitive design by utilizing the existing building site in order to preserve notable environmental features and historic features that include the Rockhill Gardens, critical slopes, heavily wooded areas, and flood plains, and this might not be preserved in a by-right scenario.
03:17:04
The improvements at Park and Davis Avenue and Macca Drive provide ones that comply with the Streets That Work designation.
03:17:11
There's a proposed future public access via agreement with City Parks and Recreation and that would allow for public access to the historic Rock Hill Gardens and the existing adjacent John Warner Parkway trail system, which would be a huge gain.
03:17:26
So I want to stress that overall the applicant has really worked towards providing
03:17:32
changes that would, that have addressed many of staff's concerns.
03:17:36
However, I do want to make you all aware that, you know, planning developments are ones that we hold in zoning to a higher standard.
03:17:43
So there are a few concerns that staff still had remaining in light of the changes that the applicant has made along the way.
03:17:50
So those include three major topics, density, massing, and then the surface parking still.
03:17:57
So the proposed density is currently proposed at 16 dwelling units per acre.
03:18:02
This exceeds the by right density in a low density residential R1 zoning district, which is five dwelling units per acre.
03:18:09
And then the comp plan designation lists not to exceed 15 dwelling units per acre in
03:18:16
We infer that as something that is intended to be a maximum.
03:18:20
So currently the project is 16 dwelling units per acre.
03:18:23
I would like to state that the site lends itself to a higher density given the fact that it's 9.3 acres and it's somewhat of an isolated location but there's still a concern there that this is a
03:18:34
Big change for the adjacent low-res neighborhood.
03:18:38
In addition, the massing, staff notes that they came back and they reduced the floor.
03:18:44
It went from five to four stories, but again, you're placing a large building that's 55 feet in height in an area that's
03:18:52
The majority of which is single family residences that are not to exceed 35 feet.
03:18:59
And then finally the surface parking.
03:19:01
The applicant has made strides to reduce the parking, utilize shared parking, and then increase the permeable pavers and staff commends the applicant for that.
03:19:09
However, I just
03:19:11
In my planning theory I have to note that the scale of the building, the number of units and the business model itself is the driving force behind the large number of parking spaces where a smaller scale senior living facility would require less and the amount of parking is believed to detract from the overall site layout attempt to be an innovative in its arrangement and so that's just one of the PUD objectives that we have to follow.
03:19:36
So Planning Commission discussed this at their October 24 special meeting and their topics of concern were somewhat related to what staff has already mentioned but they did commend the applicant for having a lot of environmental benefits associated with the project, the preservation of the Rockhill Gardens.
03:19:55
They stressed the importance of separating MACA's organization mission from the land use and zoning practices.
03:20:01
They touched on parking and they also stayed the senior living facility building as it related to different sides of the neighborhood and 250 bypass.
03:20:11
So they took one motion and it was tied 3-3 and then they re-voted and it's moved to you all as a recommendation for approval for to
03:20:22
and briefly I wanted to note some of the community engagement.
03:20:25
There's been a lot of neighborhood presence at a lot of the meetings so it would be a disservice not to mention some of their concerns as well.
03:20:33
There was a concern around the increased traffic that would be generated from this use, the concern of the use being commercial in nature,
03:20:41
The scale of the project, concern around the noise generated from the use, desire for the site to remain single-family residential, and a concern that the duplexes wouldn't fit with the adjacent single-family neighborhood.
03:20:55
And lastly, there was a desire for bicycle accommodations along Park Street.
03:21:01
I did not touch all of the concerns and there were a lot of letters attached as well in your packet, but at this point your alternatives would be to, by motion, take action to approve the attached ordinance for the rezoning.
03:21:15
You could deny it or you could defer back to the Planning Commission.
03:21:18
So at this point, I guess the applicant would give a presentation and then I can answer questions.
03:21:24
So, thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:21:26
Okay, the applicant.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:21:28
Do you have a PowerPoint?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:21:31
Can I ask how long you're planning on?
03:21:34
Under five?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:21:37
That sounds good.
SPEAKER_11
03:21:50
I appreciate the opportunity to revisit this with you.
03:21:55
I know you had a chance to hear a lot of this over the last year.
03:21:59
I wanted to start tonight by introducing Harriet Kaplan who's the director of MACA because one of the things that's most important about this project tonight is its impact on the community and I think Harriet can speak the best to that issue.
SPEAKER_18
03:22:12
Good evening ladies and gentlemen.
03:22:14
I just wanted to let you know that if you didn't know already that this is a critical project for MACA's survival.
03:22:22
It's an existential question for us.
03:22:27
The project is a very good fit for us as it provides an opportunity for our young children to have interactions with seniors and that's been shown in the literature to be beneficial to both groups.
03:22:47
If we were to go away as an organization, I just wanted to briefly tell you what the community would lose.
03:22:54
213 children are in our Head Start program.
03:22:58
They would lose services.
03:23:00
In addition, their families who depend upon child care would have difficulty with job retention.
03:23:10
In addition, Project Discovery, which is a high school to college program,
03:23:16
Services, 120 students.
03:23:21
Right now we have four Hope House locations, which is a transitional housing program which enables casework, case management for four families, and currently involves 13 children and five adults, and that would be lost.
03:23:40
So I just want to urge you to consider this, please, very carefully, because MACA really depends on it.
03:23:46
Thank you.
SPEAKER_11
03:23:49
I'll just continue with a few comments.
03:23:51
Obviously, I know most of you have heard many of the pieces of this, and I'm just going to cover a couple of highlights because we really wanted to allow an opportunity for you to be able to ask questions and get some answers if you had them yet.
03:24:15
I think one of the things that's important is, and we've wrestled with this from the beginning, some comments were made very quickly about how we hadn't contacted the city about some of the earlier options and I want you to know that we've been working with MACA really on a pro bono basis for almost two years to try to find the right solution for this property.
03:24:32
It's a very unique property with a very unique location serving a very unique set of needs and I hope you'll consider that.
03:24:41
The nine acre site is a really beautiful landscape
03:24:44
We've done everything in our power to preserve it and to protect it because it fronts directly on the Warner Parkway and on McIntyre Park.
03:24:54
If you look at an aerial map of this you'll see that it's four cornered by Covenant School, the First Baptist Church, the Rescue Squad, and McIntyre Park.
03:25:03
So the premise that it was residential at any point in the past other than in the 30s when it was a private residence is really incorrect.
03:25:12
It's been a school used for
03:25:14
probably 50 years or longer.
03:25:16
It was the YMCA briefly.
03:25:18
And it's a good 350 or 400 feet back from Park Street.
03:25:23
I will stress the fact that we worked very hard with the planning of the building to keep it in what is effectively now the parking lot area.
03:25:33
And basically, we've done computer modeling studies that show that it's really not visible at all.
03:25:39
from any of the Locust Grove neighborhood or the Park Street residents on the backyards and I'd be happy to provide additional backup on that for you.
03:25:47
One of the major concerns that's addressed is just very quickly some of the economic development aspects of this and I wanted to just quickly outline the fact that
03:25:58
This facility will provide 85 permanent new full-time jobs.
03:26:03
MAC is very excited to work with New Millennium because they have their workforce development programs.
03:26:09
And as you know, MAC is one of its missions is to try to help people get out of poverty and become more independent.
03:26:17
So this is a wonderful opportunity for the community to have a resource right next door to it that can work on workforce development.
03:26:24
There will be $2.6 million in new annual revenues.
03:26:28
and payrolls.
03:26:31
One of the important parts because this is now a nonprofit, there will be over $400,000 in new city revenues which it does not now have which can be used for a variety of purposes and these are going to be ongoing as part of the taxes and other contributions.
03:26:48
There will be approximately $50 million in total construction costs and approximately 700 new jobs distributed around in the area
03:26:56
from the construction process over two years.
03:26:59
We're spending $328,000 on projected improvements to Park Street because it's already an unsafe thing and we've studied the traffic situation really extensively with city engineering.
03:27:12
And I think we've got a good solution or at least the best solution that can be gotten given everything.
03:27:17
The parking
03:27:18
Impacts were de minimis.
03:27:19
There are some and they should be considered, but I think you'll see that we've done lots of studies on that and tried to do everything we can to mitigate all of that.
03:27:28
Lastly, and I want to really stress this, we had an opportunity to meet with over 85 residents.
03:27:36
We've attended the North Downtown Association, the Locust Grove meetings.
03:27:40
We've had meetings with Heather and staff.
03:27:43
We've met with members of the Architectural Review Board,
03:27:45
And we've done everything we can to get public input on this project and we've adapted our approach as we've gone on.
03:27:52
One of the things that we heard loud and clear and that was here tonight, and I'm sorry I'll wrap up as quickly as I can, was the issue of affordable housing.
03:28:01
And I don't think when we started we realized how important that was.
03:28:06
I'm sorry.
03:28:10
But we do now and we've worked very hard with the developer to provide for affordable housing units to actually build these and a $75,000 contribution to the housing fund.
03:28:23
We met extensively with the director of the affordable housing program and that $75,000 effectively represents two and a half additional affordable housing units that can be provided within the city.
03:28:36
somewhere or some other way to support those activities.
03:28:42
One of the most compelling arguments, we had a young man at one of the planning commission meetings that you heard, which is they can't find houses to buy.
03:28:49
And one of the nice things about providing opportunities for elderly people to live within the communities that they've lived in for their lives is that it effectively provides housing opportunities for them.
03:28:59
So there will be an opportunity for
03:29:01
140 or more people to have quality elderly care in a variety of ways in the neighborhood close to downtown.
03:29:13
A follow on to that is that that frees up houses in the neighborhood for young families, for other people that will help build the Locust Grove and other communities.
03:29:22
So there's really a sort of indirect solution to some of the affordable housing project by this kind of a project.
03:29:30
I'll mention one last thing and then I'll let you ask any questions that you have.
03:29:35
One of the really exciting opportunities that I think and it's been interesting to hear the dialogue tonight is that MACA is in the business of helping people out of poverty and part of that is obviously housing.
03:29:48
And we've had some very extensive discussions with the MACA program directors about how they can collaborate creatively with the city, with the developer and so forth with some
03:29:59
Resources that are going to be generated from this project to create affordable housing in the community.
03:30:04
And I know that's a big issue because not many people are developing affordable housing.
03:30:08
But MACA is really in a position to do that.
03:30:11
And we haven't had a chance to address it within our proposal, but I would assure you that we would be very excited about the opportunity to engage with the city and engage with these issues.
03:30:24
try to see if we can do some really significant things with affordable housing and some of the resources that are available through MACA and through this kind of a project.
03:30:32
So it's a critical project.
03:30:35
I know you may have questions.
03:30:36
We have our whole development team here tonight.
03:30:38
And anything we can answer, we'd be happy to do so.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:30:40
Thank you.
03:30:42
Couple of questions.
03:30:44
I'm sorry.
03:30:45
Mr. Mayor.
03:30:46
So if you don't mind, could you come up here, please?
03:30:48
Sure.
03:30:48
So a couple of questions.
03:30:49
So a few questions.
03:30:51
One of the things that we've heard
03:30:54
in regards to emails coming and getting back from people.
03:30:57
And I know that we haven't had the opportunity to spend a great deal of time with each other, although we have communicated to a certain degree is indeed the affordable housing piece.
03:31:06
So when people say to us, well, like I got a communication just yesterday.
03:31:12
Well, you know, Wes, this this development is only going to bring in a lot of the affordable housing units in which they're making over 150 or something to that effect.
03:31:21
Two percent of them are going to be affordable.
03:31:24
How is that fair for someone like me, especially when we are talking about increasing the affordable housing stock?
03:31:31
That's one.
03:31:32
And then the second question that we've heard, and that first question is of very serious concern.
03:31:37
The second question, and we've seen emails from people just today, I mean, we've been getting them a great deal as of late, that this project is going to essentially nullify the John Warner Parkway project, and this is going to
03:31:51
increased traffic on already a busy street.
03:31:54
I mean, what do you say to people when they say that?
03:31:57
Because I believe those to be very grave concerns.
SPEAKER_11
03:32:01
I understand and I can address them in pieces.
03:32:04
There's a couple of questions that you asked.
03:32:06
I know it's heavy.
03:32:06
No, no, it's fine.
03:32:07
It's easy.
03:32:08
Actually, if you look at the 40 units that we're building plus the
03:32:12
Two and a half units that we're effectively donating.
03:32:15
We're actually providing a little bit more than four, two percent.
03:32:19
We're up in five, six percent if you look at the total numbers, depending how you do that.
03:32:26
And I think what you have to also realize is that MACA is already providing through Hope House and some other pieces of it.
03:32:33
its ability to help a broader spectrum of people address these issues.
03:32:38
So what's Hope House for those who don't know?
03:32:40
I will let Harriet speak briefly if you want about Hope House because she's much more qualified to do that.
03:32:46
That'll be my last question.
03:32:48
And then I'll come back to traffic.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:32:49
Okay.
SPEAKER_18
03:32:49
Sure.
03:32:50
Hope House comprises four affordable, four housing units that are given to families.
03:32:58
Sometimes it's single parents, often it's single parents with children.
03:33:02
Occasionally it's two parents with children and they are afforded free rent and utilities for between 12 and 24 months and intensive case management so that by the end of the process they have a job, transportation, and the skills that are necessary to maintain that over the long term.
03:33:28
So that's the Hope House program.
03:33:31
That's something that we would like to expand over time beyond the four units that we have, but that's what we have right now.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:33:39
Is there some kind of commitment to try to increase that?
03:33:43
I mean, I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of just donating to the PAFA.
03:33:47
I want to see real tangible units.
03:33:49
Is that something that we could possibly look at?
SPEAKER_11
03:33:52
I'll address that.
03:33:53
We've had a number of meetings about this, and I'll speak a little bit for MACA.
03:33:58
MACA is really excited.
03:33:59
about the opportunity of working with council and others in the community to develop some creative approaches to this.
03:34:06
Just to throw out some ideas, there are underdeveloped properties in the city that MACA could potentially buy or redevelop for affordable housing.
03:34:16
offsite.
03:34:17
There's not necessarily room on this particular site to make it feasible for what MACA needs to do in its program.
03:34:24
But MACA is very willing and I think as a development team there's a lot of interest and a lot of excitement about possible creative things that we could do to not just throw money at problems but actually become engaged with the city to foster development for this.
03:34:39
And the proof of that is that this is what MACA does.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:34:42
Yeah, I mean I know MACA is...
03:34:44
It's this program.
03:34:45
It's committed to this...
03:34:47
But I would be lying if I didn't say that, you know, I am concerned with not only the exclusivity of it to a certain degree, but also just who will be able to afford to go and participate in this new development, especially since Medicaid isn't an option or whatnot.
03:35:03
And these are just all questions that we need to get.
SPEAKER_11
03:35:05
I'll clarify that quickly.
03:35:07
Medicaid supports skilled nursing services which are not offered by
03:35:12
So there's really no opportunity for Medicaid to be a factor in this.
03:35:19
It's divided between memory care, independent living, and assisted living.
03:35:25
So Medicare is not a part of it.
03:35:27
In terms of the affordability of it, I think you could very quickly look at comparables, and we've had that question come up a number of times, where the pricing of it doesn't require
03:35:38
a big down payment.
03:35:39
It's a month by month so it's accessible from that respect.
03:35:42
And it's pricing is right basically for teachers.
03:35:45
It's like the middle class pricing piece in terms of the way it's put together.
03:35:51
And Mr. Hedrick would be happy to address that in any additional detail that might help clarify that.
03:35:57
But this is not an elitist facility at all.
03:36:01
It's intended to provide really good options for middle class seniors.
03:36:05
And the important part of it is to be able to stay in the neighborhood.
03:36:09
And the important part of it is to try to be able to develop some of these intergenerational pieces between young Head Start children and elderly people.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:36:17
Those are the questions I had.
03:36:18
Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_11
03:36:19
I'll finish one last question that you had about the traffic issues.
03:36:23
We did a number of traffic studies.
03:36:24
In fact, our traffic engineers are here tonight.
03:36:28
I believe I'm correct in saying that before the Warner Parkway, the traffic on Park Street was roughly 20,000 cars per day.
03:36:37
It's now around 10 to 11.
03:36:39
The city did a follow-on study.
03:36:41
Brennan Duncan did a follow-on study just to validate the numbers, and it actually turned out slightly less than our study numbers.
03:36:50
The second part of it is I think the total additional demand that we're adding is 86 cars, but the important part about that
03:36:56
is that all of that traffic occurs off peak.
03:36:59
So if you actually look at the actual traffic impact on Park Street, it's de minimus.
03:37:08
I mean, it happens at times when there's really not a heavy load.
03:37:11
We respect that.
03:37:12
And I think that it's fair to say that there's a lot of potential dangers on that interchange.
03:37:18
But that's why we've realigned MACA Drive to Davis Street.
03:37:22
That's why we're providing
03:37:23
very extensive rework of the site distances with the rock walls being moved back and Beacon and a lot of other safety protocols.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:37:31
So you're trying to address these concerns.
SPEAKER_11
03:37:33
We've done everything that we can work with the staff so I don't know that there are any unexplored opportunities to improve that intersection.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:37:42
That's good to hear.
SPEAKER_11
03:37:43
That's all I have for colleagues.
03:37:45
I know I took a lot of time.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:37:48
I would just like some clarification then because you mentioned that the rent levels were
03:37:54
equivalent to what a teacher could pay?
03:37:57
But I just want to say, because Ms. Niemeyer did answer some questions for me, and the rent for independent living would start at $3,500 a month and average $3,800 a month.
03:38:08
And the rent for assisted living would be about $5,000 to $5,500 a month.
03:38:13
And the memory care is $6,000 to $6,500 a month.
03:38:18
So I understand there's care involved.
03:38:21
it is quite a pretty substantial rent level that is being paid.
SPEAKER_11
03:38:28
I think this has been a general shock to people who didn't know how much it costs to retire in a care facility and in fact if you look at comparables in Charlottesville, Our Lady of Peace and other things, we're right at or below all of the comparable options for elderly care in the community right now.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:38:47
and very few teachers and firefighters are able to live in those places.
SPEAKER_11
03:38:52
Well, if you factor in the fact that they have Social Security and most of these people are able to use some of the equity in their homes, they're usually, they're not.
03:39:01
It's been an interesting statistic that by the time people enter these facilities, they don't generally stay for longer than three or four years.
SPEAKER_06
03:39:10
And Ruth, I don't know if you want to?
03:39:13
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
03:39:14
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Members of Council.
03:39:19
My name is Bruce Hedrick.
03:39:21
I work for Retirement Unlimited, which is a Roanoke-based second-generation family-run business that has been owning and operating
03:39:30
When you hear those numbers in a vacuum, it does sound like a lot of money.
03:39:45
But if you look at what is included, for instance, in the assisted living, and we do this with clients all the time, for that $5,000 comparable if you had to buy those basket of services on your own.
03:39:59
So we're providing personal care.
03:40:01
Now, granted, it's 24 hours a day.
03:40:03
But just for sake of argument, if it's only six hours a day, there's also administration of medication.
03:40:10
The licensed practical nurse or registered nurse that's overseeing the administration of medication, on average our residents take 12 medications per day, so it's quite a lot.
03:40:21
They're also getting the housing piece, their apartment, all the utilities, the maintenance of all those units.
03:40:27
They're also getting three meals a day and all their snacks as well as all of the activities and programming and potentially the intergenerational stuff that we have been talking about with MACA as well as scheduled transportation.
03:40:42
So if you had to go out and buy that basket of goods versus what our all-inclusive fee is, it's about $8,000 a month if you had to go out and buy that.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:40:51
So if it's separate, it's way more comprehensive?
SPEAKER_04
03:40:54
Yes, sir, because obviously we have some economies of scale.
03:40:57
We've got staff that are taking care of multiple residents versus one personal care person coming into that home and providing.
03:41:04
And if you've ever tried to buy that service, they don't come in for just an hour.
03:41:08
The minimum block tends to be either two, three or four hours that a personal care attendant would come into someone's home.
03:41:15
But what you don't get at your home is our buildings, your staff 24 hours a day,
03:41:20
seven days a week and if there's any situation that they have in the middle of the night going to or from the bathroom they just pull their cord and someone is there to assess their needs and take care of them.
03:41:30
That doesn't happen at your own home.
03:41:32
Now you can buy the little code alert thing but then again you still got a rescue squad visit to get there and take care of that person's needs.
03:41:39
So what we think it is, if you look at it, a value
03:41:44
in terms of the services that we are providing.
03:41:47
So it is a little more expensive than some services.
03:41:51
We think with the rental option versus a buy-in, it also allows for a lot more flexibility to those that are trying to find the service.
03:42:00
As Curt mentioned, really one of the main sources of incomes for our residents and their family members is the sale of their home.
03:42:09
And if you kind of look at kind of a 10 mile radius around where we are, the average home price I think is right around $300,000, which would take care of about a little more than two and a half to three years.
03:42:21
And our average length of stay is between 24 and 28 months in our assisted living.
03:42:26
Now the independent living, it's a little bit longer, but
03:42:29
on the assisted living as a whole is 24 to 28 months.
03:42:36
One of the things that we obviously have been sitting through the meeting this evening, as Kurt mentioned, the affordable housing aspect was kind of something new that we uncovered during the process with the Planning Commission and others and heard it again this evening and Mr. Bellamy again kind of raised the issue, golly, from
03:42:58
The community's perspective, it doesn't sound like a lot of units and I want to clarify something and I want to offer a suggestion and I'd like girls' help and input with perhaps perfecting this.
03:43:09
One of the things that we're also providing for the affordable housing duplex units are age restricted and not only are we providing the housing piece but what we also wanted to try to do was improve their quality of life so
03:43:25
at no cost were encouraging or would encourage them to participate in, one, the social and recreational and intergenerational programs that are going on in our building.
03:43:34
Obviously take advantage of some of the community space that we have in our buildings, whether it's the spa or the beauty shop or the cafe or the physical fitness room, as well as the scheduled transportation and the wellness checkups that we tend to do.
03:43:52
kind of see ourselves as an extension of some of the services that they would be able to utilize.
03:43:58
But in terms of, I guess, some additional consideration, and if this is something that the city council is agreeable to, and if it's something that you believe mitigates sufficiently,
03:44:15
The impacts that we're having, we would be willing to basically double our cash contribution.
03:44:25
Kurt had equated that to two and a half units.
03:44:28
When talking with Dr. Peffia, that's what she said.
03:44:31
It's about $30,000 a unit that the fund
03:44:35
puts out that creates a unit.
03:44:38
And so that would basically increase that cash portion to five units.
03:44:43
And then we have four that we're providing on site.
03:44:46
So in aggregate, we're getting about nine units, which is close to about 6% of our units.
03:44:52
And Mr. Bellamy, I do hear your comment that, golly, let's not just push this off on the Affordable Housing Fund to distribute those funds.
03:45:02
Kurt had mentioned and obviously you've seen the passion that MACA has.
03:45:06
We see this as a collaborative effort where we want to be part of that solution.
03:45:11
I think the Hope House is clearly one of those opportunities that they see and currently benefiting I guess 19 folks currently and is obviously a very much needed service so we see that as a collaboration versus just kind of
03:45:26
putting it on the city's lap as far as how to utilize those funds.
03:45:29
So if that's something that is of interest, and I guess this is a question for Mr. Brown, is we had proffered the four units.
03:45:40
We had proffered the 75,000.
03:45:42
And I don't know if it's as easy as me just taking the 75 and crossing through it and put 150 on there.
03:45:49
I'd be willing to do that or if it's preferable to have a clean one tomorrow morning, I could do that.
03:45:56
But we've recognized both from City Council as well as what we're hearing from the audience that affordable housing is a dire need and we're just trying to work our way towards being part of that solution.
03:46:08
It can't be the total solution, but we're hoping that that is going to work.
03:46:11
It's definitely a new wrinkle.
03:46:13
I'm not trying to create a wrinkle, I'm hopefully trying to... Oh, a good wrinkle.
03:46:18
Oh good wrinkle, thank you, thank you.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:46:21
So I know that's probably a lot longer comment that you were looking for, but.
03:46:28
So if we have any, I mean I think that it's, Mr. Brown if you could advise us on that, on that wrinkle, on that.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:46:34
We can add conditions on that.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:46:36
That's just a new condition, but do we, I mean I know that there's rules about how
03:46:41
There are, believe me.
Craig Brown
City Attorney
03:46:43
Thank you for that offer.
03:46:45
I wish it was as simple as crossing out one number and writing in another, but unfortunately it is not.
03:46:52
Technically a modification of a proffer statement
03:46:57
Our code anticipates that it will come in in advance of the meeting, but be that as you've made it now, Council basically has two options.
03:47:08
One, to continue this application to another meeting where you will have an advertised public hearing on the revised proper statement.
03:47:18
Or two, refer it back to the Planning Commission.
SPEAKER_04
03:47:21
If I could pause here, I guess my understanding was
03:47:25
that after the public hearing, as long as it's not something that creates less of a burden on the applicant, then you have the ability to move forward with it.
03:47:36
And clearly, increasing the proffer amount is really more of a challenge on our behalf versus doing something, changing the overall unit count.
03:47:49
We're trying to be helpful and supportive and listening to the comments.
03:47:55
What I'm asking now is, gosh, we don't want to delay the project.
SPEAKER_11
03:47:59
So I want to try to... Well, just hold on one second.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:48:08
You would need to come up to the mic.
03:48:10
I feel the need to address this because it's truly atypical to have
03:48:16
proffers being changed on the fly.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:48:18
So I want to... We have done it before and that's what, or at least offers, but go ahead.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:48:24
But it would move us, would it mean that we have to continue this into a...
Craig Brown
City Attorney
03:48:31
I can read you, I think it's pretty clear that the city codes says an applicant may seek to add to, expand, clarify, or otherwise modify the proffers acted upon by the Planning Commission.
03:48:44
It does say prior to the meeting in which the city council will consider the rezoning application.
03:48:50
In the events, any such modification is proposed, the applicant shall prepare the final proffer statement.
03:48:59
If a modification is proposed, and it's really any modification, council should take one of the following actions.
03:49:09
One, council may decline to consider the modifications.
03:49:11
Two,
03:49:12
Council may continue the application to a subsequent meeting date, in which case council shall conduct an additional public hearing.
03:49:20
Or three, council may refer the modified application to the Planning Commission.
03:49:28
I wish there was more flexibility.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:49:32
We could just rewind the tape and not have, because it may complicate.
SPEAKER_11
03:49:35
We have an alternative idea that we had advanced.
03:49:40
We had had a lengthy discussion about this very problem with MACA and another alternative that council could consider is that we would donate $75,000 to MACA and they would take it upon themselves in cooperation with the city independent of the project to develop additional housing resources because that's what they do and they're a non-profit, they're known to the council and if that would solve the problem and allow us to proceed in a more
03:50:07
Expeditions Manor, that would be something that I think we could probably look through.
03:50:13
but it would avoid modifying the proper and it would get the council to where it wants to get to in terms of providing additional resources and additional actually active engagement with affordable housing issues.
03:50:25
So, I'll throw that out there just as an idea.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:50:27
I would like to move this along to a point of decision in some way.
03:50:31
Are there further questions for, I'd like to get a motion on the floor at some point.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:50:35
I have one quick question for Ms. Niemeyer, if I may.
03:50:40
You told me that you
03:50:42
Are the city currently is working on 37 PUDs in the city?
SPEAKER_12
03:50:47
There's 37 approved.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:50:49
Approved, okay.
SPEAKER_12
03:50:50
Right, and in that there might be a couple that have amendments and that there's no brand new PUD other than this one.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:50:56
Okay, and does that mean that there's like an individual set of regulations and rules and signing because they're all unique?
SPEAKER_12
03:51:06
In theory, yes, there should be a strict development plan for each PUD that they have to abide by.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:51:10
So you have 37 different PUD plans and standards to monitor?
SPEAKER_12
03:51:15
Correct, over the years they've gotten better, but yes.
03:51:18
Okay, thank you.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:51:22
I have a couple questions.
03:51:24
First let me say, I work for BECA at Hope House.
03:51:28
Many years ago.
03:51:30
I am very well aware of what they offer, the value they have for the community.
03:51:35
There's no question.
03:51:36
I've seen single mothers with children who had nowhere to go who were helped tremendously.
03:51:42
There's no question about that.
03:51:44
So you do good work.
03:51:46
My puzzle is, you're a 501c3.
03:51:50
I haven't seen you.
03:51:51
Are you in the ABRT process?
SPEAKER_06
03:51:53
Yes.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:51:55
Do you come to the meetings?
03:51:56
I've been waiting, sort of waiting for MACCA to come in there and raise Cain about how much money the city gives them.
03:52:05
What am I missing?
SPEAKER_18
03:52:11
We sort of feel like level funding is a gift at this point from anybody.
03:52:17
And so, yes, we do attend the meetings.
03:52:21
My program director who writes all the grants attends the meetings.
03:52:28
Her name is Elise Cruz.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:52:32
And you have a board, I guess.
SPEAKER_18
03:52:35
And we do have a board.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:52:36
And you fundraise and all of that.
03:52:37
Yes, we do.
03:52:41
That's great, but I have a question.
03:52:44
Maybe for one of these fellows.
SPEAKER_18
03:52:45
Okay, that's alright.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:52:46
What I've heard is two different things on the money going into the Affordable Housing Fund.
03:52:52
$75,000 gives you two and a half units.
03:52:55
I believe I heard that correctly.
03:52:57
And then you just said $75,000 gives you four units.
03:53:01
What kind of unit do you get for $30,000?
03:53:05
That I'll have to give up the mic on that one.
03:53:09
And please make your answer short because we got another one in two weeks.
SPEAKER_04
03:53:15
Yes sir, and just for clarification, so there's four affordable housing age restricted units that we would be providing actually on site out on Macca Drive and the rents for those are established through the Housing Director, but they typically would use...
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:53:31
I'm sorry, but I'm going to interrupt you as we go because I'm getting to, so four and a, what did you say, four, four and a half out of 140, did I hear that correctly?
SPEAKER_04
03:53:39
So there would be four that are actually on site and as we had mentioned the $75,000 donation so that's in addition to the four units that are actually on site would equate to two and a half according to Dr. Pathia that's what they invest per unit to get it either developed for a purchase and or a rental.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:54:02
So I was correct in my assumption that it's $30,000 for a unit.
SPEAKER_04
03:54:07
Yes, sir.
03:54:08
That would be correct for that donation piece.
03:54:10
That is correct.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:54:11
May I interrupt?
03:54:12
Being on the hack, I'll say that the housing fund seldom pays the full cost of a unit and they usually are completing financing, so that's probably what she's talking about.
SPEAKER_04
03:54:22
They're leveraging that $30,000.
03:54:23
That is correct.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:54:26
Okay.
03:54:27
And the other puzzle I have is you're talking about seniors and you're talking about teachers.
03:54:35
You must be talking about upper echelon teachers.
03:54:38
Teachers make $45,000 to $55,000.
SPEAKER_04
03:54:42
Correct.
03:54:42
And if you kind of look at what would be their retirement salary, and part of what folks use for the payment for our services would be the sale of their home.
03:54:57
So it would be a retired teacher then?
03:54:59
Yes, sir.
03:55:00
Yes, sir.
03:55:01
Absolutely.
03:55:02
That is correct.
03:55:02
That is correct.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:55:06
I'm eager to figure out the time on this.
03:55:10
We're approaching our 11 o'clock, which is when we try to end our meetings.
03:55:13
We're going to blow through that because we've got another agenda item after this.
03:55:17
But we still have questions.
03:55:19
It's a big item, of course.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
03:55:21
This is the first of two readings, so we might want to do questions tonight and have longer discussion at our next meeting when we vote on it, depending on what that agenda is going to look like.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:55:31
We're just going to do a motion and a second here to move forward.
03:55:34
Are we ready for there to be a motion?
03:55:39
Because people can say stuff after there is a motion and a second also.
03:55:43
And we can talk about these scenarios of the race going.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:55:48
Yeah, I don't have any problem with moving it forward.
03:55:52
OK.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
03:55:52
So you're saying where are you?
03:55:55
Yeah.
03:55:55
You're OK with moving it forward?
03:55:56
With moving it forward.
03:55:57
And I mean, we'll go through the process of this.
03:56:00
OK.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:56:01
was that emotion some sort of yes
03:56:10
Okay, a motion for approval without any...
03:56:13
The ordinance that is in your agenda materials.
03:56:16
Are you adding on the...
03:56:18
Okay, so no extra $75,000, which is complicated.
03:56:22
That needs to stay out of the ordinance.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
03:56:23
That has to stay out of the ordinance is what we learned.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:56:25
Okay, and we have a second for Mr. Bellamy.
03:56:27
Yes.
03:56:28
Alright, so we are moving on to the next item when we can have more discussion.
SPEAKER_06
03:56:33
We're not talking tonight?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:56:35
I'm just saying we know that we are moving, so now we are talking.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:56:38
Okay, but usually the person that brings the motion to the floor has the five minutes?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:56:43
Mr. Fenwick, would you like to have five minutes?
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
03:56:47
I've already asked my question.
03:56:49
I will cede my time to Ms. Galvin if she wants time.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:56:54
Sure.
03:56:54
And I haven't said anything yet.
03:56:56
I'll cede my second time.
03:56:58
So this is the opportunity for us to state our position.
03:57:00
No.
03:57:01
Well, yeah, sure.
03:57:02
Yes, it is, because it's motion.
03:57:04
It's time for discussion.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
03:57:05
Is everyone OK with another?
03:57:08
So we each have three minutes under our rules unless you've taken the five from Mr. Fenwick because he made the motion.
03:57:13
Three minutes, so let's say we've got another ten minutes for discussion here.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
03:57:21
Okay, so I would just like to, since this is now open for discussion, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to convince anybody, but I've thought long and hard about this and this is no reflection on NACA as its mission.
03:57:34
I am looking at this based on three questions.
03:57:37
Is it good planning practice?
03:57:39
Does it meet our city's global needs?
03:57:40
And what else could have been there on that site?
03:57:43
What would have worked better?
03:57:44
So is it good planning practice?
03:57:47
PUDs were meant to achieve a higher quality of standard development, but today they're often used as a way to short circuit the rewriting of outdated zoning that doesn't comport with a community's vision.
03:57:58
That happens all over the country, not just Charlottesville.
03:58:00
The American Planning Association says that you're supposed to really get your PUDs in conjunction with a small area plan and with a good set of standards.
03:58:09
We don't have that.
03:58:10
MACA did not provide it.
03:58:13
Why is this a problem?
03:58:15
Well, the PUD, in this case, in my view, is legitimizing a non-conforming use, a commercial enterprise in a residential zone.
03:58:24
That doesn't align with our comprehensive plan's land use or small area plan map.
03:58:28
In my view, it sidesteps due process in the community's vision.
03:58:32
Second, it creates multiple mini zones for each PUD, and that compounds the staff workload and contributes and can contribute to inefficiency.
03:58:42
And third, negotiating case by case instead of fixing problems with the underlying zoning citywide undermines our zoning laws.
03:58:50
So in my view, there's no shortcuts.
03:58:52
We should not be using PUDs independent of a clear context plan born out of a community process that reflects the community's values.
03:59:01
We should not be approving PUDs without standards that lead to built outcomes that reflect the community's vision.
03:59:06
So it's not good practice in my view.
03:59:10
The comp plan of 2013 says this is an area not to exceed 15 dwellings per acre.
03:59:14
It's not a designated small area plan intended to provide the basis for making future planning, urban design, and investment decisions.
03:59:21
It does not reflect the neighborhood's desire for a mix of housing.
03:59:24
So does it meet our needs?
03:59:26
We have an affordable housing crisis.
03:59:30
The number of housing affordable apartments has dropped 60% in the last six years.
03:59:36
It takes $23.29 an hour to be full time to be able to afford a two bedroom apartment
03:59:43
in Virginia.
03:59:46
We know that these 60 to 70 jobs will on average pay anywhere from 12 to 15 dollars an hour.
03:59:53
That means a lot of commute traffic coming from lower cost areas, again adding congestion to the streets.
04:00:01
We have a very strong problem with older homelessness.
04:00:06
When you look at the map to health report, 60 percent
04:00:10
of our homeless for 40 to 64 years of age.
04:00:13
That's 111 people.
04:00:15
So no, in my view, this PUD does not meet our affordable housing needs or our affordable senior care needs.
04:00:23
We will be approving a commercial facility on a nine-acre scarce piece of land in the city.
04:00:30
It's at a time when we have severe housing needs.
04:00:33
What else would have worked better there if I may have a few more minutes?
04:00:36
I'm looking at if there had been Medicaid beds in this facility, I would have found this more palatable.
04:00:44
I understand the business model does not allow for it.
04:00:47
An affordable workforce housing development would have been highly desirable.
04:00:51
I hear that that's what you want to do with the city moving forward, but not on this site.
04:00:57
According to the foreign-based code institute, we have learned that the only way that you can use zoning to drive down the cost of housing is to have six to eight market rate units for every one affordable unit.
04:01:12
That could really lead to higher densities to cause traffic problems, but then there are other ways to drive the cost of housing down.
04:01:19
The city could be working with you to
04:01:22
to reduce parking, to reduce the cost of the land, buy the land, work with you as they did on the Burnett Commons 3 project, which is in the SIA, which is off of the Elliott Road Street in the southern part of the city.
04:01:38
And in that project it was 40% affordable housing in 60% market, which gave rise to a good number of actual units.
04:01:51
In order to pass a project like this on that very congested street, it would have to have a transportation management plan, no doubt about it.
04:01:58
It would need to have frequent bus service, it would need to have ways to improve bike and pet infrastructure on Park Street and to the parkway to disperse the modes of transportation.
04:02:09
but in my view we cannot use our discretionary powers to address in such a reckless way that doesn't address head on the affordable housing needs and we can't do it in a way that doesn't fully engage the community.
04:02:25
This was not done as a fulsome small area planning process.
04:02:31
We can't afford to give up rare redevelopable sites by approving projects that don't align with the community's vision.
04:02:37
This is especially true when there are PUD precedents in the city that have succeeded in doing all of the above.
04:02:44
So I can't support this PUD.
04:02:46
There's really, really other things that we really need to be working on.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:02:52
I'd like to ask a question that doesn't count against my three minutes, and then I will keep my comments to three minutes.
04:02:57
So my question is about the duplexes.
04:03:00
You talk about them being
04:03:01
both age limited and for a particular part of income.
04:03:06
How long, how many years will they be guaranteed for that level of income?
SPEAKER_04
04:03:11
Yes ma'am, 30 years, that's the current program that the Housing Director had mentioned.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:03:16
I saw that it said what the total would be over 30 years but that they're actually locked in for 30 years.
04:03:24
So that was my one question.
04:03:25
So I will say that I am really ambivalent about this project.
04:03:29
I live about four blocks away so that
04:03:31
maybe that the neighbors of this project have more access to me than other folks in town.
04:03:37
But I don't think that's it.
04:03:38
I think I'm really impressed with some of the stuff that you've added.
04:03:41
The right turn out of the driveway I think makes a huge difference if people aren't going up Raya Road.
04:03:47
I like the duplexes.
04:03:48
I think that that's a good addition.
04:03:51
And the proffer is always appreciated.
04:03:54
I really
04:03:55
I think that some of the ideas that Councilor Galvin has are really intriguing, but this is not our property.
04:04:02
So we don't really get to pick what else might happen on it.
04:04:05
So we can only say no.
04:04:06
We can't really proscribe what we'd rather have, although that vision is one I share.
04:04:12
So I have talked to a lot of folks, slightly my senior, less and less my senior every year, who bemoan the fact that in Charlottesville there is not
04:04:23
Any kind of assisted living facility for people in the city other than you know the Martha Jefferson house that they they would you know be able to move into and So end up having to move out into the county and for people who are active in city affairs that can be sad not that the county is bad, but
04:04:42
You know, people want to stay near their homes and so I see the value of a project like this.
04:04:47
I'm going to have to say I'm going to be one who's going to sit here and hold out to the last minute and I'm glad we have two readings because I'm still thinking about it.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:04:58
I have a question for Harriet, I think about the MACA, MACA's finances itself and so I would like to understand a little bit more about the
04:05:11
Organization as non-profit, its finances, why you need this, what's going on?
SPEAKER_18
04:05:16
Right, so over time the governmental support of organizations like MACA has gone down significantly in the past from
04:05:30
way back.
04:05:31
Federal dollars have decreased tremendously.
04:05:37
Yes, come through the Community Action Agency.
04:05:42
So when the Great Society programs, we were getting a lot of funding and gradually that has gone down and down and down and down and we have cut back to the absolute bone.
04:05:54
We are at capacity in terms of
04:05:57
just being able to manage the programs that we have right now.
04:06:01
And so it's been very difficult to, and we're also in a building that is in need of tremendous work in order for us to even stay in it, which it doesn't make sense for us to stay in it.
04:06:16
So we really need to move out of it.
04:06:18
And the question is, is that we need a buyer that will provide significant income so that we can build a school building
04:06:27
and have money left over for a rainy day fund so that we aren't so close to the bone with regard to our finances.
04:06:37
And we want to have a neighbor whom we can have a relationship with.
04:06:42
We could by right take that site
04:06:45
and Danute it entirely, almost entirely, and put in single family homes.
04:06:52
But that's not what we want to do with it.
04:06:53
That doesn't suit our purposes.
04:06:55
What we would rather do is do something that benefits the community, which we believe this does, and it doesn't add to traffic the way some folks are
04:07:09
making it seem like it does because it's off-peak traffic.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:07:16
How far, how much did you look at that other scenario?
SPEAKER_18
04:07:20
It's been looked at over the past five years very extensively.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:07:24
And is that just getting a developer to parcel up the...
SPEAKER_18
04:07:27
It's getting the right developer, you know, the question is what do you put there?
04:07:31
Do you put single-family homes?
04:07:34
Do you try to put apartments there?
04:07:36
Do you try to put
04:07:37
all duplexes there, do you try to put, if you try to put affordable housing or all affordable housing
04:07:47
I suspect that the neighbors would go completely crazy and they'd be out with pitchforks.
04:07:54
So it's easy to say we want that until you suggest that you're going to put it there.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:08:00
That's all I needed to ask.
04:08:01
Thank you.
04:08:01
I'll just say, I don't need three minutes, I am torn also.
04:08:06
I'm looking forward to the next more fulsome discussion and what I learned between now and then.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:08:13
Thank you.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:08:17
I would just say, closing, I think Councilor Galvin makes extremely poignant points and furthermore when we look at what we heard tonight from MACA, which I thought answered a lot of questions, I don't know if it's accurate to say that if we put all, as you just described, a single unit of homes that the neighbors and the community would be out in pitchforks.
04:08:44
In fact,
04:08:45
some of them may actually want that according to some of the emails that we've received minus the pitchforks.
04:08:53
So I know Ms. Galvin often comes at things from not only a very analytical sense but her faith tells her to let's figure out how we can find a compromise at all times.
04:09:05
Let's figure out how we can
04:09:08
find an amicable solution for both sides.
04:09:10
And maybe I've been going to church with her or something.
04:09:14
But I am inclined after hearing just a lot of sides to figure out how we can make that happen.
04:09:22
So our two are still on the fence, and I'm looking forward to the next meeting and then hearing from everyone in between that time.
04:09:29
And in the meantime, I would hope that MACA and its representatives, as well as development firm, could work with
04:09:35
and maybe have another community meeting.
04:09:37
We have two weeks.
04:09:38
I know that's a short turnaround.
04:09:40
Maybe everyone's talked out, but if there's a way that we could talk a little bit more to figure out an amicable solution for both sides.
04:09:51
The hard blows tell me that that may not be possible.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:09:58
Okay.
04:10:00
Thank you all very much.
04:10:02
Do we want to take a five minute break or keep on going?
04:10:06
We're going to take a less than five minute break.
04:10:09
A bio break is what we call it.
04:10:12
Back in your chairs please.
04:10:14
Less than five minutes.
SPEAKER_06
04:15:48
you
04:16:16
Music Playing
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Music playing
04:17:04
C.J.
04:18:04
and Michael
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:19:06
Back in session, Downtown Park's Master Plan Review of Scope.
RESOLUTION: Downtown Parks Master Plan Review of Scope
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:19:21
This is the first one reading.
04:19:22
Our own Councillor Kathy Galvin will be presenting and this is a resolution.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:19:27
Actually, Mr. Jones will do the introduction.
04:19:30
I'm just going to just follow up with any details as necessary.
Maurice Jones
City Manager
04:19:36
As Council knows, in May of 2016, this body made a clear commitment to reveal and tell a full story of race here in Charlottesville through the city's public spaces by establishing a blue ribbon commission on race memorials.
04:19:49
and public spaces out of the Blue Ribbon Commission.
04:19:52
There are a series of recommendations the city has taken action on, obviously over the course of the last six to nine months or so.
04:20:00
And one of those action items had to do with the redesign of our public spaces in downtown, more specifically the spaces in north downtown, the Court Square districts, more specifically Emancipation Park,
04:20:15
and Justice Park and included the Slave Auction Block and the Freedmen's Bureau as well.
04:20:25
So a number of issues in downtown that council wanted us to take a look at and to develop a request proposal to have a master plan that was done for that area.
04:20:36
So the city council asked us to work with representatives of the Police Design Task Force, the Jefferson School of Heritage Center, the Human Rights Commission,
04:20:44
and the Historic Resources Committee, four members who were of those organizations that were actually also on the Blue Ribbon Commission to help to develop the RFP for those design services, which we worked with them on that and we posted that RFP in July of this year.
04:21:01
The city received six proposals in response to that RFP, and those proposals came in five days after the tragic events of August 12th.
04:21:11
As a result of those horrific incidents of violence here in Charlottesville and at the urging of a number of residents in the city, the city thought it was best to reevaluate our approach to the redesign of the downtown parks.
04:21:23
The previous RFP was canceled in response to that and then work began on a new approach.
04:21:29
City Councilor Galvin and city staff met with Place Design Task Force member Rachel Lloyd
04:21:36
Jefferson School Executive Director Andrea Douglas and UVA Architecture Professor Beth Meyer to develop a phased approach to the redesign that would take into consideration the traumatic shock to our residents and to our system here in Charlottesville and try to better reflect who we are in the aftermath of the incidents of August 12th.
04:21:56
And from there, Counselor Galvin took up the charge of developing the resolution that is before you tonight for consideration
04:22:05
and a vote and out of that discussion over the resolution and agreement to the resolution and vote in favor of it, we will develop a new RFP that would be posted for consideration and taking a phased approach to redesigning these parks in downtown and those public spaces.
04:22:29
With that, I'll turn it over to Councilor Galvin to talk about the resolution and moving forward.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:22:33
Thank you, Mr. Jones, and that's a really good intro.
04:22:37
I just wanted to remind my colleagues that on September 18, 2017, under other business, I brought up the issue of a phased approach, and that was when actually Rachel Lloyd, Andrea Douglas, and Beth Meyer met with me individually, and they also
04:23:00
really convinced me and then later on when we were meeting with Brian Daley and Mike Murphy, Mary Joy Scala, Jennifer Steffenhofer as well that it was actually very practical too because as Mr. Jones said we were still reeling from the aftermath of the August 12th event as you recall it was also at that time that
04:23:26
There was a unanimous vote on council to also remove the Jackson statue.
04:23:31
So things were changing pretty quickly.
04:23:35
And so this resolution reflects the removal, the clear will of council to remove both statues, the Jackson and the Lee statue.
04:23:46
It also sets up
04:23:49
the reality of how the decisions about when those statues are taken down is actually a function of either the courts or the General Assembly in Richmond, neither of which we could have any definite date for.
04:24:06
And as in my conversations with, again, professionals in art, history, and landscape architecture like Miss Douglas and like Miss Lloyd and Miss Meyer, it's really
04:24:19
difficult, difficult position to put any consultant professional team in to try to design something that you don't really know what you have.
04:24:28
So the phase approach is phase one is what we know right now and that we know right now we've got to put more context, more explanation, change the narrative around those statues right now while they are still there.
04:24:44
And it needs to be done within a very complete
04:24:49
comprehensive and diverse community engagement process to get all viewpoints involved, asking questions like, you know, what do those parks mean to us now?
04:25:01
What should they mean?
04:25:02
What do memorials mean?
04:25:03
What do monuments mean?
04:25:05
Once that process is fleshed out and the team should include not only the technical team like landscape architects and
04:25:18
but also include art historians, historians of the South, as well as a facilitation arm that's really skilled in culturally sensitive issues that involve race, the American South.
04:25:32
So that this will be done in a very complete way.
04:25:38
Phase one will lead to concrete outcomes.
04:25:42
It will lead to immediate steps to add that fuller explanation of the statues
04:25:49
now versus later.
04:25:50
So the way the resolution is written is that from approval tonight staff will have 60 days to prepare the RFP and typically then people have three months to respond.
04:26:04
So within six months we would be having the process in play that would begin to change the actual physical character of the parks.
04:26:13
Phase two
04:26:14
When the statues are down, that is when the more comprehensive, complete wholesale redesign of the parks can take place.
04:26:23
And that's basically what the two pieces are all about.
04:26:27
And so another RFP would have to be issued for phase two.
04:26:33
Right now, it's a much more clear, definite scope.
04:26:39
And it also, this resolution includes phase two so that
04:26:43
the consultant teams know that that's the end game but it's again it's also reflecting the very practical reality is that we don't know exactly when those statues can come down because it's based on the courts and based on the General Assembly so and that that's it in a nutshell
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:27:06
Thank you.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:27:07
And I do want to acknowledge Councilor Szakos because she and I talked and the items in red reflect what I understand are changes to be.
04:27:16
And if if if I got them incorrect or at all, please feel free.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:27:20
I'm happy to read those into the record.
04:27:22
They're very short.
04:27:23
But in case anyone is following along at home in the one, two, three, four, fifth, whereas in the original RFP or in the original resolution, there had been something about the Freedmen's Bureau may have been at Court Square.
04:27:36
and that was taken out in this version and so we put it back in.
04:27:39
It says may have been because I think there is some question about whether it was but we want to make sure not to lose that bit of knowledge.
04:27:46
The part about working with the front of the library, the front of the side of the library to make sure that's in collaboration and coordination with the library, with their board and management, that's in two spots.
04:27:59
The last or the another one is it is the
04:28:05
Second, be it further resolved, the scope of the RFP for Phase 1 shall require the successful bidder provide at least two interim master plan options.
04:28:15
As a non-architect, I was a little confused about at what stage in the process they were going to do that.
04:28:22
So this is after the RFP has been completed.
04:28:25
accepted.
04:28:27
And the other one is in the first... Oh yeah, the comma.
04:28:32
Yeah, it's a comma.
04:28:33
It's a tiny little comma, but it has a huge impact.
04:28:35
I believe that punctuation matters.
04:28:38
The first, be it resolved, in the first bullet, in the first sub-bullet under the first bullet, it says, actually it's just in the first bullet, phase one, interim master plan,
04:28:49
It originally said to begin immediately prior to the removal of the statue, which made it sound like you'd do it the day before the statue was gone.
04:28:56
So you put a comma after immediately.
04:28:57
So to begin immediately prior to the removal of the Lee and Jackson statues.
04:29:02
So those are all just for clarity, and none of them really changed the outcome.
04:29:05
But I do have a couple of questions.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:29:10
OK. Any further?
SPEAKER_10
04:29:11
Where are you having a nap?
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:29:14
Yeah.
04:29:14
Kristin, you do yours, and I'll do mine.
04:29:16
OK.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:29:17
So one question I have is if we have two phases and this RFP is only for phase one, while kind of calling out the fact that there is a phase two, we have a million dollars set aside for paying for this.
04:29:30
What are we paying for?
04:29:31
Are we paying for phase one?
04:29:33
Are we paying half of it for phase one and setting aside half of it for phase two?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:29:40
Again, that dollar amount,
04:29:45
can be changed, of course, by the will of counsel.
04:29:47
It was a million dollars in the very earlier resolution.
04:29:52
I did not feel it was within my power to make any kind of a change to that dollar amount.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:29:57
It says it's just it's just for phase one, which is almost doubling that dollar amount.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:30:02
Right.
04:30:03
And I will say that that the Miss Douglas and Miss Lloyd and Miss Meyer all felt that we were underfunding the process.
04:30:12
But I, I told them that this is
04:30:15
we are dealing with local government with competing issues so we do have limited resources but I will just say that it could be a situation where say perhaps through the process of the community engagement and there is a real compelling need on the part of the participants and there's a consensus to actually move forward with the creation of a new memorial even with the statues in place now this does allow for that to happen
04:30:45
but it's not explicit.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:30:47
I agree.
04:30:48
I would actually be more comfortable, be funded up to a million dollars for the completion, fabrication, installation of phase one and phase two master plan because that's what we've already agreed to and otherwise we're adding more funding.
04:31:02
And then if we find, or if you all find that you need more money, consider that separately.
04:31:07
The other question I had, I have now forgotten so I will leave it at that.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:31:16
Well my question is as I stated before the successful bidder provide at least two interim master plan options.
04:31:27
So the city is going to pay for two master plan options and we're only going to use one.
04:31:35
That doesn't make sense for me.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:31:40
Well, what that means is that it's typical that a process like this would result in more than one idea.
04:31:48
And it doesn't mean that you're not going to have a resolution.
04:31:51
The decision makers have to pick one or make a hybrid.
04:31:54
But if we all recall, in any project that we've got, be it the Belmont Bridge, be it the West Main Street project, there were two to three options presented.
04:32:05
The SIA plan had three options originally presented, and then it was boiled down to
04:32:09
to the single wine.
04:32:10
So I think it's just a good practice to allow and to make it clear to the competing submitters proposals that they're going to be expected to build in time to work out different scenarios.
04:32:29
Because it's not going to be necessarily, you know, first time's the charm.
04:32:39
It could very well be that there's going to have to be two competing ideas that have to be reconciled by this body.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:32:45
Would you be comfortable and would it make you more comfortable if it said at least two preliminary interim master plan options so it doesn't sound quite so finished but it's really kind of a...
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:32:56
It could say schematic.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:32:58
So it isn't a fully designed project?
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:33:03
Yeah, I think
04:33:07
I think that would make sense.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:33:08
So preliminary?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:33:10
That would make me more comfortable.
04:33:14
I think that is the intention, but that way it's clear.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:33:16
Yeah, but my concern is we have no idea how long this is going to take, judicially or legislatively.
04:33:24
And to go down two different paths when only one of them is going to prevail just strikes me as
04:33:33
rushing things.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:33:36
If I may, but that's why we went to the second phase approach, Mr. Fenwick, is that this is not an RFP for phase two, but this is the resolution that's enabling the process to begin.
04:33:47
This will stop when phase one is done and they've added the context, the explanation, the plaques, whatever it is, and then the
04:34:02
The process will resume again once we know when the statutes can go down.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:08
But you still have two plans.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:11
These are schematic design options.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:13
Two options.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:15
Again, it's just typical to have options.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:20
Two interim master plan options.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:34:23
Two preliminary interim master plan options.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:30
Well, that's my concern.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:33
It's the will of this council.
04:34:36
If you don't want the exploration, then just say only one option.
04:34:41
You do it once.
04:34:41
You've got to be right.
04:34:42
That's it.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:43
Well, my preference would be wait until this issue is settled, then we'd know for sure.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:34:48
But I don't think that there's appetite on this council to let the statues be wrapped in black bags.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:53
Yeah, I understand that.
04:34:56
Mike, this is a robust debate.
04:34:58
Oh, I know.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:34:58
I know.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:34:58
I just want to be.
04:34:59
OK.
04:35:00
I know.
04:35:01
Sorry.
04:35:02
The verb is fine.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:35:03
Almost.
04:35:04
You're right.
04:35:04
You're right.
04:35:09
OK.
04:35:11
I will.
04:35:13
You want to comment?
04:35:14
No.
04:35:14
I actually like it.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:35:17
I like this approach.
04:35:19
I think it is indeed measured.
04:35:21
Sorry.
04:35:22
It's measured.
04:35:25
I think it provides us with a pathway to be able to come out regardless of what comes down from the courts.
04:35:34
I personally would like for us to potentially look at increasing the value, increasing the allotment of resources that have been allocated.
04:35:43
But I don't know if that's the will of this council.
04:35:48
That's what I would like to see.
04:35:49
because I do think that the two tiered approach in terms of different phases, I think it's going to cost more than a million dollars to do the entire thing.
04:36:00
Sure, I think it will be, it will be.
04:36:03
And I don't know why, so from that perspective then I don't know
04:36:09
Why wouldn't we try to figure out how we can allocate more funding now opposed to kind of going through that fight later.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:36:16
Or if I may ask again is keep the million dollars associated with phase one and phase two gets its own separate allocation.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:36:27
I like that approach.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:36:28
Because that's the way that was written.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:36:32
Do you have a monetary amount in mind for the second phase?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:36:36
I think would have a better idea coming up from what the community wants by way of a concept, I mean what they want out of a master, a park in downtown.
04:36:47
I think you'll have that first phase process of engagement is going to be really helpful in helping us chart the scope of phase two.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:36:58
Question for clarification, that initial million dollars in which we allocated was not only for the parks though, correct?
04:37:05
Wasn't it for in totality, like for different memorials around the city?
04:37:09
No, strictly for the parks.
04:37:11
Okay, so I've been looking at it right now.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:37:15
And it's also rehabbing the landscape of the wildlife.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:37:18
Yes, okay.
04:37:22
No further objections.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:37:23
And I actually like having the million for both phases because then I think that that doesn't restrict either phase to only half of that.
04:37:32
I think you can use more of it for the first phase and then if you need more for the second phase, make sure that that happens.
04:37:40
I'm a little
04:37:42
hesitant to go into potentially doubling a million dollar investment without like at 1130 at night.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:37:51
I will say this though, and it was, it's also one of the, I think to be it resolved, the idea of
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:38:16
that there can be concurrent fundraising going on.
04:38:19
Exactly.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:38:20
And that's what we originally were just had.
04:38:24
And I can't see it right now.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:38:25
It does say that in here.
04:38:31
I'm looking.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:38:44
Have you found it?
04:38:54
Where are you seeing it?
04:39:01
Okay, be it further resolved that during phase one, fundraising efforts for phase two, final master plan shall begin under the direction
04:39:14
of the city manager, such that a comprehensive redesign and reconstruction of the downtown public parks without the Lee and Jackson statues, inclusive of construction documents, fabrication, and installation of all new permanent plaques and memorials or monuments is fully funded and realized.
04:39:29
So again, this was always intended to be the catalyst for future fundraising.
04:39:35
And in most cases, memorials are funded through private means.
04:39:46
So, and this also gives us more time to do that.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:39:53
I wanted to thank you also.
04:39:55
I think that it reflects a lot of really good thought into the complexities of what we're faced with.
04:40:00
I hear Mr. Fenwick makes a lot of sense to want there to start when we know, but the problem is that that could take quite a long time and this community deserves, and we've been doing this now for over a year,
04:40:13
so recontextualizing the parks would be a really serious thing to do but it's we got to do it the right way it's got to be aesthetically pleasing it's got to fit in with the character it's got to be designed it's got to be the right way and these things you know these sites of trauma can take quite a long time to get right I mean look look at how long it took with the some of these memorials the World Trade Center took 10 years to get to get going so we got to get more we got to get this going and I think that this gets it going
04:40:41
at least, and while being sensitive to what could happen.
04:40:44
So there's a lot of thought that went into this, and I really appreciate it.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:40:50
So as far as I can see, then we've only got one modification.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:40:56
Yeah, one modification.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:40:58
And that's adding the word two preliminary interim master plan options.
04:41:02
And I've suggested also adding and phase two to the final bullet beneath that.
04:41:10
on Page 3, Phase 1 and 2?
04:41:13
Yes.
04:41:16
So Phase 1, Interim Master Plan and Phase 2, Final Master Plan.
04:41:27
Okay.
04:41:29
I am okay with those amendments.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:41:33
I would actually suggest that in the paragraph that talks about raising money, which I've now lost again,
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:41:40
I'm sorry.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:41:50
So fundraising efforts in Phase 2 shall begin as approved by City Council and further funding may be allocated by Council, which sort of opens it up, I think, for what Mr. Bellamy is talking about.
04:42:06
So it doesn't give a limit to a million dollars.
04:42:10
At this point, we're allocating a million dollars, but the Council could increase that later.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:42:16
So it would be fundraising efforts including additional resources from City Council?
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:42:27
Shall we get into the direction of City Manager and City Manager's designee as approved by the City Council, along with possible additional funding from Council?
04:42:46
Does that kind of tease it up like we expect that it might be more and we're not saying it shouldn't be?
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:42:50
Good.
04:42:53
In that case I would second.
04:42:55
Okay.
04:42:56
I accept all these friendly amendments because they truly are friendly.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:43:04
We're doing a full vote on this, right?
04:43:07
So we have a motion seconded with a bunch of amendments.
04:43:12
Any further discussion?
04:43:14
We all ready to go?
04:43:16
Yes.
04:43:16
All in favor?
04:43:20
Thank you.
04:43:21
Okay, thank you very much.
04:43:22
Thank you everybody.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
04:43:23
Thank you Ms. Douglas, Ms. Lloyd and Ms. Meyer.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:43:28
Okay, other business?
04:43:29
Any other business?
04:43:31
Anyone?
04:43:34
Big Election Day tomorrow.
04:43:35
So, okay, now matters of the public.
MATTERS BY THE PUBLIC
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
04:43:38
Mr. Fenwick.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:43:40
Hi, this is matters, three minutes, and I'd like to add one thing that we left out earlier, and that's you cannot campaign for political office during this time.
04:43:58
So, who's first?
04:44:02
John.
SPEAKER_34
04:44:05
I'm Grant Tate, 184 Brookwood Drive in Charlottesville.
04:44:16
I just wanted to spend a few minutes to talk about your governing structure and some of the things I've been concerned about, particularly after hearing the presentation by Ms. Beauregard tonight.
04:44:29
I looked at your data set and I deeply applaud you putting the data online.
04:44:35
It's a great step forward.
04:44:37
I was interested that she asked you to look at that data set and tell you and ask you to respond, what does it mean?
04:44:47
I think that's her job.
04:44:49
There are 201 items on that work list.
04:44:53
In addition, there are 82 items from the efficiency study.
04:44:58
There are 14 major projects listed and then there's a pile of data that supports it.
04:45:07
As a citizen I look at that and say, how's the city going?
04:45:12
I have no idea.
04:45:14
So the question is, what are you doing with the data and are you looking at what's really important?
04:45:21
It's not a normal time.
04:45:24
All this data sets and all these targets were set in steady state times.
04:45:30
To me the question is how do you reorient the government to be responsive to the kind of time that is going on right now.
04:45:41
One thing I'm concerned about is you don't run the city by committee.
04:45:44
The committees were fine when you were setting up the 3P project and you're just getting that underway, but if you look at what is
04:45:52
To call the responsibilities of the core team, it sounds like city manager to me.
04:45:58
And the city manager is delegated to be the cheerleader.
04:46:03
And I say no, be the quarterback.
04:46:06
Cut the committee out and cut out the time.
04:46:09
It's going to take somebody to run the machine for all the measurements, but I would say you're measuring too much what's important.
04:46:17
When it comes to strategy, who's thinking about strategy?
04:46:21
There's no strategic planning department I can find anywhere.
04:46:25
The only thing I can see close to it is something called finance and performance management.
04:46:31
That's a lot like accounting to me.
04:46:34
And so I would say in a time when we need responsive government, we have an executive branch managed by committees and consumed by details.
04:46:46
I can't have access to what the employee engagement survey said, but one thing was in the efficiency study, people are concerned that they don't have the connection with the top level manager and what's going on.
04:47:02
No wonder they can't get through the committees.
04:47:05
And so an agile organization has three basic requirements.
04:47:10
An acute sensitivity to the environment, what's going on over there,
04:47:15
a responsive leadership and flexible resources.
04:47:20
You don't have flexible resources if I have 201 work elements consuming the organization.
04:47:27
So you need a system that's going to basically develop a responsive organization.
04:47:33
So I would suggest a task for your city manager is to look at this
04:47:39
and come back with recommendations of how we ought to organize the city government and its priorities to meet the requirements that we now have.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:47:52
Thank you, Mr. Tate.
04:47:54
Grant Tate, thanks for correcting me.
04:47:56
And I'm going to editorialize here.
04:48:00
I would like for you to come back and give that little speech when everybody's here, if you can.
04:48:06
because it was very important.
04:48:08
So thank you.
04:48:10
Brandon, you up?
SPEAKER_37
04:48:17
Good evening, Brandon Collins.
04:48:18
I live in Charlottesville.
04:48:19
I've lived here my entire life.
04:48:21
I have three children who have lived here their entire lives.
04:48:24
Two of them have only been here for a few years.
04:48:28
And I have a 21-year-old daughter who will be voting tomorrow.
04:48:34
And I'm very proud of her.
04:48:37
On August 12th, she was on the ground, as many residents of Charlottesville were.
04:48:49
It was a very difficult thing to be a parent who wants to encourage activism in their child, but also with the knowledge that I had, doing our best to keep her safe.
04:49:01
And unfortunately, our efforts to keep her safe failed.
04:49:09
and her story is not unlike the hundreds of people from this community that showed up to defend this community.
04:49:18
And I think it's a real shame that some of those same people that defended this community before then, way before then, after that are going to court, face jail time for their actions,
04:49:38
on the council meeting that came after the August 12th disaster.
04:49:48
I do some grand things and I read your all's materials and a lot of times I see smart focused citizen government as one of your goals.
04:49:55
I do not think arresting members of the public who are expressing frustration at your incompetence, your lack of empathy, and your crass political maneuvering
04:50:10
I don't think arresting them and putting them in jail is smart focus citizen government.
04:50:15
And I think it's a real shame.
04:50:19
We have seen since before January 2016 a pattern of behavior.
04:50:24
I think about Raymond Mason and the situation he was faced with and the attempt at discrediting him that was carried out.
04:50:38
I think about the discrediting of the city manager and I see what happened with the attempt to discredit Ms. Walker and I see a pattern and it's very apparent and it's shameful.
04:51:00
I came here to not let you off the hook, off the bad vibe that was set earlier in the day because I want you all to go home and feel bad about yourselves.
04:51:09
And I like some of you, and some of you have become strange allies, and I appreciate that.
04:51:17
But the missteps have added up beyond incompetence.
04:51:23
And if you want to heal, as was mentioned a minute ago, it's hard to heal from trauma if you're trying to build a park
04:51:30
and address that, you don't deliberately go out and try to screw people.
04:51:36
You don't go out and do these, it's not even incompetence, it's deliberate attacks on our community and I think it's a real shame.
04:51:49
Thank you, Brandon.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:51:52
Ms. Johnson?
SPEAKER_27
04:52:01
Good night.
Kristin Szakos
Member, City Council
04:52:04
Almost good morning.
SPEAKER_27
04:52:06
Good morning.
04:52:07
My name is Joy Johnson.
04:52:09
I'm 802A, hard to drive.
04:52:12
And a lot of what Brandon said is very, very true.
04:52:20
I read on that from Miss Donna.
04:52:25
And the thing about Donna that a lot of people had craved
04:52:31
The thing about Donna, and hi Maurice, I don't want you to feel left out tonight.
04:52:36
The thing about Donna that a lot of you don't really understand is how she protects the neighborhood.
04:52:44
There are things that we are just not even in tune to that she would in tune you in so that you can keep your eyes open and she just, she's like
04:53:01
You know, she's like the CIA.
04:53:05
She lets you know what is going to encroach on your neighborhood.
04:53:10
And she does the very same thing here.
04:53:14
And I don't know who gave the order because I wasn't here.
04:53:18
All of that happened before I got here.
04:53:20
But whoever asked for her to be taken out,
04:53:25
You need to think about what you did because it has sent a precedence and a message to the public that if you're upset about something and you come to the people who can change things and you don't behave the way that they want you to behave, they can have you arrested.
04:53:42
There could be a simple thing of just removing her from counsel, not getting a charge against her that is going to be on her record for the rest of her life.
04:53:54
and then you're going to put on good behavior?
04:53:57
Most advocates don't have good behavior when they're standing up for justice.
04:54:06
I don't know who did it, but you all need to correct it because basically what you have said to the community, you come in here and I tell you to do something and you don't do it, you will be locked up.
04:54:19
Is that what we really want?
04:54:23
When you talk about healing, she's been at the forefront of warning you, bringing it to your attention, being on the front line.
04:54:39
Somebody needs to provide some counseling for her because she has been traumatized.
04:54:48
That really hurt my heart to see that she got 10 days
04:54:51
and Dave Chapman, shame on you.
04:54:55
Do you think this is going to send a message to us?
04:54:58
There are other people who's going to come in this council and tell y'all how they feel if they can't get any response.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:55:07
Thank you.
04:55:07
Thank you, Joy.
04:55:09
Anybody else?
04:55:10
Yep.
Wes Bellamy
Vice Mayor, City Council
04:55:17
Good evening.
SPEAKER_23
04:55:20
My name is Shawn Harris and I'm a resident of the city of Charlottesville.
04:55:24
I've been working on something and I know Mr. Fenwick you are chairing the meeting right now so you might have to stop me.
04:55:30
I know it's going to go over my three minutes.
04:55:33
Perhaps I can give a copy of my comments to your clerk and she can pass disseminated amongst you.
04:55:40
As I mentioned I'm a resident of the city and this has been heavy with me since the summer and I've been working on this
04:55:47
I haven't been able to get it published in any of the local newspapers, I guess because it's too long, I'm not sure, but anyway I want to read it to you.
04:55:55
It's not going to change anything perhaps, but if nothing else it will help to ease the load I feel I'm carrying.
04:56:03
To lead or not to lead, Charlottesville's dilemma.
04:56:07
The decision to remove the Robert E. Lee statue from Lee Park, now Emancipation Park, highlights a continuing dilemma for our community, one that spans centuries.
04:56:18
Once again, battle lines have been drawn and with it comes another opportunity for us to look into the mirror and acknowledge certain truths about Charlottesville.
04:56:27
Many who migrate to our fair city come with, or amass over time, knowledge about Charlottesville's history.
04:56:33
Although they may learn about massive resistance and vinegar hill, the understanding afforded those who experienced that history and its aftermath eludes them.
04:56:43
In this community there's a tendency to cherry pick, which means that only the most delectable and appealing parts of our history get consumed.
04:56:52
In many ways Confederate statuary is low-hanging fruit, easy pickings for those proclaiming a desire to move us forward in the process of reconciliation and healing.
04:57:04
History's ledger is full of atrocities, but as one community elder told me, Mr. Williams by the way, an eraser hasn't been made that can erase history.
04:57:15
Indeed, history's impact can't be removed, rebranded, or renamed.
04:57:20
Although there's an element of permanence, much variability exists about when and how and by whom history gets interpreted, hence our quandary.
04:57:30
My friends, welcome to the mothership.
04:57:33
For those who don't know, Charlottesville is the epicenter of white supremacist ideology in America, for we hold these truths to be self-evident.
04:57:43
Richard Spencer knows this, and answering the clarion call drew him back to Charlottesville along with fellow compatriots to stage a torch-lit demonstration in Lee Park on May 13th.
04:57:57
Seemingly Spencer has become a champion for those who want to rescue Jeffersonian ideals of democracy and freedom from the clutches of what they perceive as outliers.
04:58:07
Diversity and Inclusion.
04:58:09
Others including Jason Kessler and the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan have heard the call as well and stand ready to defend the preservation of white slash European heritage.
04:58:20
The Lee decision is seen as an affront to that heritage and their demonstrations represent modern day declarations of independence and white unity.
04:58:30
I can't decide what I find most galling about the Charlottesville City Council's decision to remove the Robert E. Lee statue.
04:58:37
that the power to amend history was placed in the hands of five people, none of whom are from this community, or that I agree with Spencer, Kessler, and the Klan that the statue should remain right where it is in Lee Park.
04:58:50
The council's short-sighted attempt to rebrand history has opened Pandora's box and begs the question, what will they attempt to rebrand next?
04:58:59
Charlottesville is marketed as a world-class city, where the notion that all men are created equal is celebrated.
04:59:05
Yet for as long as I can remember, Thomas Jefferson has been deified in this community.
04:59:11
To many of us, his accomplishments are eclipsed by his practice of slavery and his belief that blacks were inherently inferior to whites.
04:59:19
Despite drafting a poignant edict of freedom for a fledgling nation and later as president signing legislation to prohibit the importation of slaves, he sanctioned the enslavement of his own children.
04:59:32
He publicly, passionately, and courageously advocated for America's freedom and acknowledged the need to abolish slavery, but in the quiet comfort of home, Mr. Jefferson's children were relegated to serving him as their master.
04:59:46
It is impossible to reconcile these two realities, and rightly so.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
04:59:51
I would love to read the rest of it as well.
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
05:00:00
Thank you very much.
05:00:01
We're looking forward to reading it.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
05:00:04
Any comments from the Council?
Mike Signer
Mayor, City Council
05:00:07
I want to read the rest of that essay.
Kathy Galvin
Member, City Council
05:00:12
Thank you.
Bob Fenwick
Member, City Council
05:00:17
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