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City Council/School Board Joint Budget Work Session   2/10/2025

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    • SPEAKER_05
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      Who said that?
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      I'm about to get up and watch this.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:04:16
      Look, I'm going to... We're supposed to grab... Yes, he might step the rack on me.
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      How are you?
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      How are you?
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      I sat over at this.
    • SPEAKER_15
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      I will move it over.
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      Start throwing elbows at me.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      I feel like I think of this.
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      Good evening, everyone.
    • Emily Dooley
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      It's 5pm on Monday, February 10th, and I'm going to call to order our joint work session between Charlottesville City Schools and Charlottesville City Council.
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      We can call the roll please for school board first.
    • SPEAKER_15
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      Here, Mr. Barton.
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      Here.
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      Mr. Meyer.
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      Here.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Mr. Moore.
    • SPEAKER_15
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      Here.
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      Here.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Yes.
    • Emily Dooley
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      All right.
    • 00:06:31
      And Mr. Wade, are you guys going to?
    • Juandiego Wade
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      Yes, I'm going to call to the Charlottesville City Council school board meeting to order.
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      Madam Clerk, do we have the roll?
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      Here.
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      Can we have it?
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      Do we need to do a motion to give Michael the authorization?
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      And first of all, Michael, can you hear us?
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      I can, yes.
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      Can you hear me?
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      I think we have to hear him too.
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      Do we have to hear him?
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      So we're not voting.
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      So if we, if he can come in later, that's, that's fine.
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      We'll take, we'll take that vote at that time, but we have to be able to see and hear him as well.
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      So, um, so we have a quorum.
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      So thank you.
    • Emily Dooley
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      Wonderful.
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      I'm in doubt.
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      Further adieu.
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      I'm getting some feedback.
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      I don't know if where that's coming from.
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      All right, I'm Dr. Gurley.
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      I will kick it over to you for our presentation of our budget.
    • Royal Gurley
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      All right, we will get started.
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      Thank you all for attending our joint session today.
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      And Ms.
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      Goodie driving us up.
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      We can go to our next slide, please.
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      This is our agenda for the evening.
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      And so we will talk about our operating budget, capital projects and any upcoming meetings.
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      I just like to remind people that we have an amazing finance team.
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      So I'd like to start just by making sure that we always acknowledge the hard work that they do.
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      that they have won consecutively the Meritorious Award, just kudos to the team.
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      Our priorities remain the same since our last meeting.
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      improving student outcomes, class sizes, enhancing student achievement and equity, approving our student attendance, competitive salary, competitive wages, benefits, attracting and retaining teachers and staff.
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      and the modernization and modernization in our schools and the sustainability and sustainability initiatives.
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      Next slide please.
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      So I will jump right into our operating budget.
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      And so as you see here, just a reminder that a large portion, the largest portion, I should say, of our revenue source comes from city appropriation followed by state, followed by our state revenue.
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      This slide just shows our seven year trend in terms of our, in terms of our revenue.
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      And so during this period, the state revenue has has averaged about 23% of all of our division revenues and then
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      for the fiscal year 24, saw the highest state budgeted revenues in the time period.
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      I just want to remind people listening and in the room that we did see changes to our LCI, which changes what happens with our funds locally.
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      So the decrease is largely due to a significant change in our local composite index which reflects our locality's ability to pay.
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      The LCI rate increased to 77.2%, 0.2%.
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      resulting in the state contributing just 22.98%, almost 23% towards our SOQ funder positions.
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      So it does change what happens with our SOQ funder positions and we are not expected to see any changes until we do rebitch marking.
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      As it relates to our state revenue, we are estimating an additional $538,000 of state revenue, and this increase is in the following areas.
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      It's the compensation supplement.
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      So this represents the state has said that there will need to be a 3% raise for our SOQ positions of teachers and staff, which you'll see that reflected differently as it relates to our collective bargaining, which I will talk about later.
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      our at risk funds, the lottery funds.
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      There's been some increases there and then the increases in our English as a second language programs.
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      As it relates to the trends, this slide does show the city's appropriation over the past seven years.
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      And of course, I can't say it enough that the city is a critical component in supporting the operations operations and for our student learning.
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      Next slide please.
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      The majority of our expenditures, like many organizations, falls within our salary and benefits.
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      Salary and benefits make up about 74% of our total expenditures.
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      And then our next largest area are the contract services with our maintenance and city with the maintenance agreement and transportation.
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      And I know we've had some changes there for the positive.
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      which we will talk about later in the presentation.
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      our staffing allocation.
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      Since a significant portion of our budget is in salaries, we did want to break out, break it out for you so that you could see how our staffing, how our staff are allocated.
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      So 70% of our staff are in the area of instructional roles, which include teachers, librarians and instructional assistants.
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      and 19% are focused on school-based services such as custodians and nutrition workers.
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      And then lastly, 11% of our positions are in the area of administration, which includes human resources, finance, technology, etc.
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      Next slide.
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      So here are, this is how it breaks out in terms of salary and benefits for budgeting purposes.
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      And this is different.
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      This is different since the last time we have met in terms of how we are presenting the information.
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      So within our proposed collective bargaining agreement, one of the first things that we are addressing, we are evening out the steps prior to collective bargaining, the steps were not equal.
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      and we would use terminology like the average of because some steps were one, some was one and a quarter, it ranged.
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      So one of the things that we are addressing, which this would be a one-time cost because we would fix it this year and would not need to do this again, we would make the steps even for 1.5%.
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      which is a total of $2.2 million.
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      Next we have in the collective bargaining agreement which addresses compensation is that the staff would get, they would get their step of one and a half percent plus a raise of four percent and this is at a cost of $2.5 million, close to $2.6 million.
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      Next, we are proposing an alignment with the governor's proposed recommendation for SOQ positions.
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      We are proposing a salary increase of 3%.
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      And this is an average of 3%.
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      So this would be the step plus the raise, which is inclusive of the, which would bring the employees to the average of 3%.
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      Our health care costs.
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      We projected a number much higher the last time we met.
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      And that when we met back in December.
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      And that number is the increases lower.
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      6%, which is a total of about $585,000.
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      And then lastly, we saw a savings, and this is a long time savings from BRS for a total of $2.5 million.
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      with the savings.
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      So this is a total of everything, including the savings.
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      So the increase of the personnel cost is about $3.5 million.
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      In terms of our discretionary
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      category.
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      We did do conversation with the city.
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      We did see a big change here, which revealed a net, a no net increase under transportation.
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      and then for our facilities, for our maintenance, I should say, we initially presented a three year average.
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      And so once we did look at the actuals and I know that we will be talking about some actuals this evening from the city side.
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      So once we did that, we identified an increase of about $73,000 over the three year
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      So the contract will be $434,000.
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      And then we had some expenses related to K-TEC, which was adjusted.
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      And you see that amount here.
    • Brian Pinkston
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      Yes.
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      So the K-TEC, is that going to be an ongoing
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      expenditure relative to the county.
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      Say that one more time.
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      That 207,000.
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      Is that item going to be an ongoing expense going forward?
    • Royal Gurley
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      Well, the number is lower and that, where's Pat?
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Oh.
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      Technology standpoint is about $65,000.
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      Then there's additional hardware that could be put into a budgetary life cycle.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:18:38
      Is that what that item is in?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:18:40
      No, I believe that is just a loss of student tuition.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:18:44
      That was my question.
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      Is that an ongoing expense to be expected?
    • Royal Gurley
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      Right, so as long as album, as long as there's not a significant decrease in the album moral slot so we, we anticipate that this year.
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      We saw this change because they opened up a new program.
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      So we've increased some students from like Lovanna.
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      um but it it wasn't of course as you can see it didn't net zero there but I mean we do we did expect that this year that we would see because they decreased some slots for some specific programs because they did open up some new programs this year okay so I mean I think next year when we come back we don't expect them to decrease to see a significant decrease from there okay sorry about that
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      All right.
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      And we're showing this slide because we talk a lot about our English language learners and the supports that they need here.
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      And this table just shows the staffing ratios.
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      I will say that where you see level one, level one are our students with very limited to no English.
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      And then
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      Level four are students who range who have acquired the English language and require less support so you see that the ratio the ratio changes significantly from level one to level four because of the
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      the leveled requirements.
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      We initially had presented to you all five additional positions when we had this conversation back in December.
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      Since that time, we've gone back and done some recalibrating and based on the numbers, we are projecting an increase of about three additional positions instead of five, which is a total of about $283,000.
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      And again, this is to support the continued increase in the students that who are English language learners.
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      Next slide.
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      I just wanted to just want to remind everyone that the SOQs are changing for, I'm sorry, that the accountability system is changing for next school year.
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      And so we will be evaluating another new model.
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      and so while our enrollment is plateauing we know that the needs of our students has not changed and so we are looking at how we differentiate staffing at schools and so and you'll see that reflected in the budget request and so we are going to be adding positions but at but placing those positions where the where there are greater needs
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      Next slide.
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      And so you'll see that reflected here.
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      So we've requested three additional FTEs for the English Language Learner Program, a family engagement liaison, and so that position will work directly in our communities doing a lot of the engagement with our
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      with our family and really being a bridge between the classroom and the community.
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      And the additional FTEs for the reading and math specialists, that's two additional positions, one reading, one math.
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      And so those positions are division level and they will be hired
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      knowing that their school may change year to year after we review the data.
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      We are expanding our opportunities for our students.
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      So here you see half of an FTE for Health and Medical Sciences.
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      That's to increase the pathway of students who have been interested in the health sciences.
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      a recruitment specialist a lot of times I'm sure same thing may be true on the city side that you know the human resources team they come to work with the expectation of getting a lot of things checked off the list but then sometimes things get in the way and so
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      We are proposing a recruitment specialist, someone who can focus on the retention and recruitment of all staff, not just teaching positions, teaching positions, custodial positions, IAs and things of that nature.
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      We were fortunate enough to bring over Ms.
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      Duvall, our transportation coordinator, and she's hit the ground running and done an amazing job.
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      And we need to embed her salary into our budget.
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      And then we also have, we have positions, clinical social workers, who those positions are funded on one time money.
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      We move those positions over
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      We've moved some funds over through the year 2026 through June of 2026.
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      And so this is our attempt to now bring two of those positions into the operating budget.
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      And you see that reflected here.
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      And then lastly, there's a one-time retention bonus for the Walker staff.
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      With the reconfiguration, we have a lot of concerns that it
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      may be hard to keep staff here because with the uncertainty of knowing what will happen and so we are baking into this budget of one-time bonus of $2,000 for licensed staff and $1,500 for support staff and so and that will be dispersed
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      and equal payments, one payment in December, which is the end of the first semester and then the second payment in May of 2026 at the end of the second semester.
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      Here's a summary of our budget changes here.
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      That's pretty self-explanatory.
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      And so our net request is of the $4.9 million, which is over our formula amount, which we appreciate.
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      And we will move on to the next slide.
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      Our proposal for budget changes.
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      And so here this is just an summary of our funds, of all of our funds.
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      And what you'll see is a total operating, a total operating budget of about $124 million, which is a change of about $6 million.
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      School capital projects.
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      And so as you all know, we collaborate with the city on our CIP and we really work to address some of our long-term facility needs.
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      And so while critical maintenance is our priority, modernization of our facility is equally essential.
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      and so as you know, some of our buildings are 50 years old and I think we have a couple that are approaching their 100th year that century mark.
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      And so we will be just continue to have conversations with you all about how we can address the safety, efficiency and maximize learning in these spaces.
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      So as we talk, as we talk about our CIP, one of the things that we do want to make sure that we keep talking about is the modernization of our schools.
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      I think we, I know in our CIP meetings that we've talked about that the one in the quarter.
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      This really does not keep me the same thing.
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      So what a one in a quarter can do in a year 2025 is not the same as what it did 10 years ago.
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      in 2001 alone construction costs rose about 20%.
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      And so I shared at our board meeting that, you know, I'm appreciative of the funds that we get, but we did walk through Trailblazer on last Thursday.
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      And so the principal wanted to just show what the what the teachers select for the modernization.
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      And so the 1.25
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      Aesthetically, you won't be able to see it from outside the building.
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      You won't see it from the hallway, but it will transform two spaces so that it can serve as eight intervention spaces, which, you know, the staff is very appreciative to have that as a resource.
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      But it's not the same as when you walk into some of the schools and you see the bright colors, the signage, and just the revamp of spaces.
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      And so we really would like to have some ongoing conversations about how do we move that 1.25 and increase it by another $250,000, which
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      is a lot of money, but it's definitely not enough money when we talk about when we're thinking about construction.
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      and so we also, but what we do also know is that the adjustments have been critical to our school to, you know, the track, the lighting for the track project, our restroom renovations, ceiling replacement, daylight enhancements.
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      So there's a lot of work that has happened, but I think, you know, our principals and our families, when we talk about the modernization of our schools, this is one of the areas that
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      You know, it could be a little bit more impactful if we can think about how to increase the dollar for the ongoing modernization.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:29:46
      Can I ask a quick question?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:29:47
      Sure.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:29:48
      Thanks.
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      You mentioned intervention spaces.
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      What does that mean?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:29:53
      So right now, right now, there are a few teachers who sit in a room.
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      I mean, the room is smaller than the area in the center here.
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      And so sometimes they are about three or four teachers meeting with groups of students and they're talking over one another.
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      It's just really not conducive.
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      to provide students who are probably some of the most vulnerable learners.
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      It's just not ideal.
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      So they're working with them on maybe reading fluency or, you know, some attack skills, and they're doing it.
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      But then there are other groups of students who are right beside them.
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      And their noise are canceling each other, canceling each other out.
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      And so when the teacher, when the principal put the survey out, that was the thing that rose to the top, like,
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      How can we create better spaces where we can provide intervention to our students?
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      So essentially these rooms, each one of those spaces are being divided into like four areas so that they can isolate from one another and provide better supports to our students.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:31:10
      So like a kids size conference room for?
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      Private meeting with the teacher.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:31:14
      Yeah, so I mean, we're talking about spaces that would hold about three to four students, five to six students.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:31:22
      Yeah.
    • 00:31:22
      Okay.
    • 00:31:22
      And then for this list, daylighting enhancements, is that like with windows?
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      So what does that mean?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:31:29
      Yes, so we, we, so over at Summit, we, we did a window, we've done the windows.
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      They are in progress or should be near.
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      I remember when they started, so I don't know where they are in it.
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      But yes, so we've done, they had some very dated, very dated windows over at Summit.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:31:50
      Okay, thank you.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:31:58
      Next.
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      And so as we look at our fund balance, some of the things that we've done.
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      First, we've allocated funds for our track lighting.
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      I know that members of council and you all have received some emails back during the fall.
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      with regards to track lighting.
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      So that's something that we need to address.
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      We've allocated the funds, but we've not started on that project.
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      And then there's $379,000 to invest in new furniture.
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      When our students transition back to the elementary schools, we want to ensure that we want to ensure that there's adequate appropriate furniture.
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      So that's another area that we are in the process of doing.
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      And so our board did the first reading of that.
    • 00:33:03
      No, we both improved it.
    • 00:33:05
      Yeah, that was approved at the last meeting.
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      So at our meeting on Thursday, the board approved
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      to use fund balance for the furniture transition for fifth grade.
    • 00:33:18
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_16
    • 00:33:19
      On this question about the lighting for the CHS track and field, is there any private money that's going into that?
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      I know when I was getting fundraising requests, there was some talk about whether it would be city funds, whether it'd be school board funds, whether it'd be private funds.
    • 00:33:36
      What's the situation with that?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:33:38
      Yes.
    • 00:33:40
      So the boosters, the Black Knight Club, Athletic Club, Black Knight Athletic Club, yes, they did raise some money for the Lights Project.
    • Amanda Burns
    • 00:34:00
      Sorry.
    • 00:34:00
      Sorry.
    • 00:34:01
      The Perry Foundation is also matching what the Athletic Club was able to raise as well.
    • SPEAKER_16
    • 00:34:06
      And how much was the athletic club able to raise, you know?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:34:09
      It's a great question.
    • 00:34:12
      And is that 350,000?
    • 00:34:13
      Or the total?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:34:14
      It's the total.
    • Chris Meyer
    • 00:34:19
      Real quick on this, though, this is our fund balance.
    • 00:34:21
      So this is not your own money.
    • 00:34:23
      This is not coming from your CIP.
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      This is our surplus, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that we've had to allocate and dedicate to spend on these things, which I would say, at least for the CHA's track and field facility, again, this is something that the whole community benefits from, correct?
    • SPEAKER_16
    • 00:34:43
      I was the recipient of these fundraising requests and I had mentioned some suggestions to them and I hadn't heard anything further about how the money actually wound up coming in.
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      So it's all new to me at this point.
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      That's why I was asking.
    • Chris Meyer
    • 00:35:00
      I mean, we'd love for the city to take some money out of its CIP to cover it and then we can have that money back in our reserve.
    • SPEAKER_16
    • 00:35:08
      I'd be curious to get an answer to my original question, which was how much the boosters agree.
    • Amanda Burns
    • 00:35:15
      I think if I could also, we did approve the funding for the furniture package of fifth grade but I think that's another item that was conversation if that should be done from the small cap side or where that money should come from and we appropriated it to
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      get the savings by doing it in February and putting the placeholder with the vendor.
    • 00:35:50
      But I'm hopeful that that conversation is not over.
    • 00:35:54
      Again, coming out of our surplus versus small cap or where that comes from.
    • 00:35:59
      I think there just continues to be question about where money is allocated and then where money is used.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:36:24
      All right.
    • 00:36:27
      So back during the fall.
    • 00:36:33
      So I'm sorry.
    • 00:36:34
      So this is addressing the critical safety.
    • 00:36:37
      So I'm going to just highlight some things.
    • 00:36:39
      So we recently had the safety audit.
    • 00:36:43
      I know that components that we were able to share, we did share with the facilities.
    • 00:36:51
      That was the facilities team.
    • 00:36:54
      We shared it with the facilities team.
    • 00:36:56
      So we, but back before the, back before we did the safety audit, there were about $250,000 in door, $250,000 in door replacements that were identified before the safety audit.
    • 00:37:15
      And then there was about more than a million could be allocated to address deferred maintenance.
    • 00:37:24
      We've selected some priority things.
    • 00:37:26
      I mean, there are a lot of things.
    • 00:37:28
      And so the hope and what we want to, I think, really have a conversation is, is how can we address some of the things from the safety audit so that we can just really get back to baseline?
    • 00:37:42
      So it's like, we're not just chasing these things and placing them on a capital improvement, placing them on a capital improvement.
    • 00:37:51
      and I have a spreadsheet when like how can we get some of these things knocked out.
    • 00:37:58
      And so some of the things identified are like lighting and fencing, you know, upgraded markings which those are some things that we can do.
    • 00:38:09
      Those things do have a healthy price tag when you're talking about multiple schools, repairs to exterior stairs and sidewalks.
    • 00:38:20
      And I know that a lot of times we have conversations about who's responsible for who's responsible for what when it comes to outside.
    • 00:38:31
      the need for closed circuit TV and security cameras addressing some of those vulnerabilities and then we still have schools where we need secure vestibules, you know,
    • 00:38:47
      You buzz someone in and then they're right in the school.
    • 00:38:51
      So how do we address the need to have secure vestibules at all of our schools?
    • 00:38:58
      I mean, there is access control at all those schools, but they're not those secure vestibules at all of our schools.
    • 00:39:06
      I think one of the things that we've been talking about long range is just really the need for our dedicated project manager.
    • 00:39:15
      I know even like with our track lighting, that project has not gotten started because part of it is, you know, I think it's the manpower on the person power on your side.
    • 00:39:30
      And I think that on our end, I think we
    • 00:39:35
      You know, people are wondering like, well, where are we with this project?
    • 00:39:38
      And I think that one of the things that I know would be helpful is having a dedicated person.
    • 00:39:46
      And I think that this is true even like just for many of the facility requests as we look at the safety audit and just the things that we do on a daily basis.
    • 00:39:56
      We've seen the benefits of what happens when there's this good partnership.
    • 00:40:02
      Ms.
    • 00:40:02
      Duvall.
    • 00:40:03
      Mr. Vaughn, really.
    • 00:40:06
      does a really good job of communicating with you all on the city side and keeping us abreast and just serving as a liaison.
    • 00:40:15
      And I think that having someone who can manage these projects and maybe be on the city side and also being able to work very closely with you all on the school side and then on the city side would be equally as helpful and help to just continue to move some of these projects along.
    • Amanda Burns
    • 00:40:40
      Dr. Gurley, if I could add, I have that number for you, Mr. Snook.
    • 00:40:45
      It's $78,575 that the Athletic Club in conjunction with the Perry Foundation donors from the community and
    • 00:41:03
      It was Flow Automotive, the Seville Track Club, and the Great Foundation.
    • 00:41:12
      No, it was the $350 less what they've received.
    • 00:41:18
      And I think just to Dr. Gurley's point about the rising cost, if we wait on this any longer, it's going to go up more.
    • 00:41:26
      So the delay of project management, probably another $50 grant.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:41:34
      And that's my last slide.
    • 00:41:51
      You want me to go back to that slide?
    • 00:42:08
      Treblazer has a vestibule, so when you buzz, when you buzz, you go into a space that's squared off.
    • 00:42:15
      You can't go, you can't go straight.
    • 00:42:18
      You have to go into the main office.
    • 00:42:21
      Right now, Greenbrier, you just, you're walking right into the school and you're also walking right into Summit.
    • 00:42:35
      Oh, NK Tech, I'm sorry.
    • 00:42:36
      Yep, NK Tech.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:42:42
      Excuse me.
    • 00:42:43
      Are these items that have already showed up on the CIP list somewhere?
    • 00:42:47
      The items that are here, the priority projects, lighting?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:42:51
      Not the things that are from the, not the things that are from the safety audit.
    • 00:42:56
      No.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:42:57
      When was the safety audit done?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:42:59
      It was just, it was just done.
    • 00:43:02
      The board just went through the October.
    • 00:43:05
      October.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:43:05
      Okay.
    • 00:43:06
      Yeah.
    • 00:43:09
      I see.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:43:23
      and I think the city has a presentation.
    • 00:43:27
      Mayor, did you want to?
    • 00:43:32
      I do have a short.
    • 00:43:40
      Yeah.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:43:46
      Sorry, I could.
    • 00:43:50
      Yes.
    • 00:43:54
      Oh, I, yeah, sorry, I do, pardon me.
    • 00:44:08
      So, can someone speak to me a little bit?
    • 00:44:11
      I had a good conversation with a person last night about the collective bargaining process.
    • 00:44:20
      How did that go?
    • 00:44:21
      It seems like it was a success.
    • 00:44:23
      Dr. Curley, was it?
    • 00:44:25
      That's reflected in these numbers here, I guess.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:44:28
      Yes, I mean, I think we have our CEO and president back there.
    • 00:44:35
      I mean, I think it was a success.
    • 00:44:37
      I mean, we have a little kink that we need to work out.
    • 00:44:45
      had a little misstep, but on the city school side, but we're going to come back together and I know we're going to resolve that very quickly, but I mean, I think the process went really well.
    • 00:44:57
      I think both sides were heard and you see there the ask is reflected here.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:45:05
      Okay, great.
    • 00:45:06
      Thank you.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:45:09
      I remember at this presentation last year, there was discussion about how because the state revenue was measured on a couple of years ago, there was the 2021 numbers and it didn't reflect accurately what we needed.
    • 00:45:23
      And then how are we past that?
    • 00:45:26
      No, we're still living in the delay that is not helpful.
    • 00:45:31
      Yeah, I'm sorry.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:45:33
      That was the local composite index that I talked about.
    • 00:45:36
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:45:36
      Yes.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:45:37
      Yes.
    • 00:45:37
      So yes, it just continues to not work in our favor.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:45:43
      I'm sorry.
    • 00:45:44
      Is this the last year where things are going to be?
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:45:49
      It'll be recalculated.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:45:50
      It'll be benchmarked in 2026.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:45:53
      We don't know how or else, yeah.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:45:54
      Yeah.
    • 00:45:55
      So it'll be re-benchmarked.
    • 00:45:56
      We just don't know whether we don't know whether, you know, it'll be to our favor or not.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:46:03
      Okay.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:46:03
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:46:04
      And we find that out soon.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 00:46:07
      The next budget in the fall.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:46:13
      Okay, thanks.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 00:46:26
      Okay, I was looking to see who's controlling this for me because I have no controls.
    • 00:46:31
      All right, so good evening, school board members, counselors, and members of the public who are participating in this meeting.
    • 00:46:39
      I prepared a couple of slides.
    • 00:46:41
      Ms.
    • 00:46:42
      Hamill is going to join me in producing part of the information, sharing the information that we prepared for you.
    • 00:46:51
      I guess what we really wanted to do is there's been an inquiry that has been made to us to look at a three-year review of our budgeted
    • 00:47:02
      budget to actual performance and transportation and facilities.
    • 00:47:06
      We have concluded that I shared with council and recent series of meetings with them that we will be doing this work and this will be the result of that effort.
    • 00:47:15
      The goal is to be able to share with you what we were able to discover.
    • 00:47:20
      We're also looking at the idea of
    • 00:47:23
      There are a series of questions and me being the newest member in this seat of decision making as to how we propose and ultimately develop the budget.
    • 00:47:36
      I see a number of questions and I don't see answers to questions so I'm more or less highlighting them for us tonight.
    • 00:47:43
      because I feel like that's what I do all the time and more or less want to speak to that because there are questions I think we do need to really wrestle with the idea that some of some decisions need to be made and we're going to need to carve out some time to look at those things even some of the items that we've discussed this evening add to that whole sentiment.
    • 00:48:03
      Next slide please.
    • 00:48:05
      Just reminding everyone for setting the table.
    • 00:48:07
      My job is to implement council's vision and vision is to be a place where everyone thrives.
    • 00:48:11
      That includes every child in this community who attends one of our schools, every teacher, every staff member of schools who work.
    • 00:48:18
      So that is the vein in which I am doing the work that I am trying my best to make sure that we can support all the things that have been identified as a priority.
    • 00:48:26
      And there are many things on that list.
    • 00:48:29
      Next slide.
    • 00:48:31
      Discussion points for tonight is to look at the budget to actual results, talk about agreements, talk about our funding formula and then also open more of a conversation on the idea of long term capital needs.
    • 00:48:41
      There's a real conversation that needs to happen there.
    • 00:48:44
      Next slide.
    • 00:48:46
      The budget to actual comparisons that we were able to conclude, we did this work and what you'll see is yes, there is money that has been left over after the end of each year for the past three years of doing the work of spending money on people transportation and on school maintenance.
    • 00:49:02
      That collectively, you see to the right of your chart there is $908,000 is what that adds up to.
    • 00:49:09
      But I think it is important for no one to get excited about that number because with context, everything starts to shift a little bit.
    • 00:49:17
      And that is part of what I see my job as being as I've asked questions and seeing the results of this is okay so we have that.
    • 00:49:25
      why is that and then what becomes of that and it does it rolls up into the surplus that we have each year when we don't spend funds but technically it doesn't necessarily roll if we're doing other things and we are doing other things that do add up that are not captured here.
    • 00:49:42
      Just want to point out, just line by line there, you see 180,000 FY 22, 335,000 FY 23 and 191,000 FY 24 for transportation.
    • 00:49:54
      84,000 for FY 22 school maintenance, 37,000 23 school maintenance and 75,000 24 school maintenance.
    • 00:50:04
      Those are the balances left over at the end of each year.
    • 00:50:07
      But that bullet that we added there is we did not offset what were additional expenses that were allocated to provide the incentive for bus drivers that would have changed the end result of those numbers because that came in at a $332,000 expense.
    • 00:50:24
      We did work with schools on receiving a portion of that in reimbursement.
    • 00:50:30
      And we know that we did not spend all of that money because we didn't have all drivers that we were seeking even during the period that we offered the incentive.
    • 00:50:37
      But the point of the matter is there was still an expenditure there and we're just pointing that out.
    • 00:50:42
      Next slide.
    • 00:50:44
      Part of what I'm pointing out to you all is the questions that we have is we have a 40 percent formula and that formula is based on personal property tax and real estate tax increases being the 40 percent that is shared with schools and then the other portion of that is kept by the city to invest.
    • 00:51:06
      We don't operate under that 40 percent formula.
    • 00:51:08
      We rarely, if ever, have
    • 00:51:11
      So in my mind, the person that I am who believes strongly in process, then why do we have a 40% formula?
    • 00:51:17
      It means that something is a bit off in my mind because if we're going to say that it's 40% and we don't stick to that, then maybe it's not 40%, maybe it's something else.
    • 00:51:27
      But we also have various agreements that we have established to work between the city and the school division.
    • 00:51:35
      And we have four different categories.
    • 00:51:38
      Is that the next slide?
    • 00:51:39
      Okay, if you would go to the next live for me, please.
    • 00:51:41
      I'm going to have you go back also.
    • 00:51:44
      These are four agreement areas.
    • 00:51:46
      This is basically identifying what are performance areas for city staff on behalf of schools, facilities development that is Mike Goddard's team for the construction work of physical buildings and things like that.
    • 00:51:59
      Transportation is our people transport.
    • 00:52:01
      Facilities Maintenance would be our team under Joe Shifflett's direction of going into the daily management of spaces and then Parks and Recreation does grounds management.
    • 00:52:12
      Today we have two agreements, not four agreements.
    • 00:52:15
      That is also something that I've pointed out as there's an issue in my mind there because we're not necessarily capturing what is the responsibilities that we each are owning.
    • 00:52:24
      And I think that's really the importance of an agreement because it would make it clear some of the questions.
    • 00:52:29
      We find ourselves with these questions, we
    • 00:52:31
      Superintendent and I just recently had questions about snow removal and we're about to get ready for that again tomorrow.
    • 00:52:37
      And that is part of what I'm speaking to.
    • 00:52:39
      If we're going to have agreements, we need to have good agreements.
    • 00:52:41
      We need to have the right agreements.
    • 00:52:43
      Should we have one agreement, one major agreement, or should we have four agreements if we're doing four things?
    • 00:52:49
      That's the question.
    • 00:52:50
      So I'm just pointing that out again.
    • 00:52:52
      It's something else that I see that needs attention.
    • 00:52:55
      It is the work that I'm absolutely ready to dig into and get to work on, but just again, highlighting it for everyone's benefit.
    • 00:53:02
      If you could go back a slide for me.
    • 00:53:04
      and then services outside of those outside of agreement.
    • 00:53:08
      So that really is what the reference to the parks and rec agreement.
    • 00:53:12
      It is pretty substantial.
    • 00:53:13
      I didn't realize how significant it was of the things that are being done on the park side that are not a part of any shared expenditure.
    • 00:53:21
      It is all on the city side.
    • 00:53:24
      Again, that's something that I think we should take note of, take stock in and really place that in the conversation for the various things that we're trying to do.
    • 00:53:33
      And then facility modernization and construction is something that is a big question for me.
    • 00:53:38
      As we've discussed, we have schools that are 50 years old and others that are approaching 100 years old.
    • 00:53:44
      We don't build buildings like we used to and kids don't come like they used to.
    • 00:53:48
      So we all know that and we need to think about that.
    • 00:53:51
      But what I would say is that we have these buildings, we are limited in space as we all know, what a 10.2 square miles or 6.6 square miles, whatever it is.
    • 00:54:00
      We can only go up.
    • 00:54:02
      We can't really go anywhere else.
    • 00:54:04
      So for that, there is a conversation that we probably need to engage in on what do we do to change the current design of buildings?
    • 00:54:11
      Do we knock something down and replace it?
    • 00:54:14
      These are very, very tough conversations.
    • 00:54:16
      I've been in other communities where it's hard to talk about tearing down 100 year old building.
    • 00:54:20
      But if that 100 year old building is not working for what it is needs to be today, then it's a conversation we need to have.
    • 00:54:27
      Next slide, please.
    • 00:54:29
      Next slide again.
    • 00:54:32
      So in that note that I made to you in regards to the 40% formula payments, I know this is hard for you all to see.
    • 00:54:38
      That's why we printed a copy for everyone in front.
    • 00:54:40
      And I'm going to ask Ms.
    • 00:54:41
      Hamill to walk through.
    • 00:54:41
      But this was one of the things that I asked her to do is we have very interesting conversations when I say, OK, Chrissy, what gives?
    • 00:54:50
      And then she goes and figures it out and brings it back to me.
    • 00:54:53
      So she did some work here.
    • 00:54:56
      It's good work, but the point of it is, again, to just try to shake this out in a way of helping everyone see how broad the investment relationship goes and that it really isn't adhering to a specific number, hence the 40% formula question that I'm posing.
    • 00:55:12
      But I think I want to be able to make sure that we all can kind of set ourselves around the idea of what this information says to us because it really comes back to what are the questions that we need to ask ourselves and what are the hard decisions that need to be made.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 00:55:26
      Thanks.
    • 00:55:27
      So at the top of this chart, we basically, our formula as it is now, and during the budget process, we look at what the budgeted revenues are for real estate and personal property.
    • 00:55:39
      And then any growth of that 40% of that is what we designate or set aside as part of the local contribution to schools each year.
    • 00:55:49
      So the part at the top that's not shaded in blue is basically just that calculation.
    • 00:55:57
      It shows you what those budgets were, what the annual change was, what the 40% formula netted, and then it shows you the annual school contribution each year based on the formula.
    • 00:56:16
      Then we took that a step further.
    • 00:56:18
      So in the blue at the bottom.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:56:19
      Sure.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 00:56:21
      Does that mean that essentially every year looking at we contributed more than the 40% in almost every year we have.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 00:56:32
      Yes, sir.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:56:33
      So the line that said annual change underneath the budget is what we ended up actually contributing.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 00:56:39
      That is correct.
    • 00:56:40
      Over.
    • 00:56:40
      Yes.
    • 00:56:41
      From the year before.
    • 00:56:46
      And then in the blue here, what we did was instead of looking at the budget, we actually took the annual actual revenues that were collected in that year.
    • Chris Meyer
    • 00:57:05
      Yeah, thank you.
    • 00:57:06
      Just real quick.
    • 00:57:07
      The funding formula is in ordinance, or it is, again, just like the agreement that has been in place, again, for decades that we don't really know, remember why it was like that.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 00:57:18
      So my knowledge, it's, to my knowledge, it is an agreement between the school board and council.
    • Chris Meyer
    • 00:57:24
      It's like a written agreement?
    • 00:57:26
      Somewhere?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:57:27
      Or is it, I mean, maybe?
    • Chris Meyer
    • 00:57:37
      It's kind of the rule of thumb that everybody liked to point to and we would again.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 00:57:42
      So when you allow yourself to operate without an actual document, it just becomes practice.
    • 00:57:48
      So we're in the land of practice, and I am telling you, we should not stay there.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 00:57:57
      So the bottom section, as you see on the screen that has the lines or the blue section for the handout that we gave out, we actually took a look at the actual revenues collected for each of those years and then calculated the 40% to see what that would have netted for the school in each year.
    • 00:58:17
      In most years, you see that the school board actually
    • 00:58:22
      made off better by looking at the budgeted revenues.
    • 00:58:27
      You'll notice in the years of 23, excuse me, 22, 23, 24, there were those years the school would have actually gotten more based on the actuals.
    • 00:58:42
      However, I will note
    • 00:58:44
      in 24.
    • 00:58:46
      Most of that is a portion of the result of a tax increase, which when the taxes were passed, it was those dollars were not to be used as part of the formula.
    • 00:58:58
      In addition, I believe it was 22 or 23 and I meant to look this up before we came because I have the years mixed up.
    • 00:59:05
      Council also raised the real estate tax and other penny and that also was not to be included in the formula calculation as that was put in the debt service fund to help offset the increased debt that we knew that was coming for Buford project.
    • 00:59:21
      So overall, over this time span, looking at both the formula using actual revenues versus the formula using the budgeted revenues, the school board came out just under $9.5 million better off by using the formula on the budget versus the annual collections.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 00:59:51
      So what I found striking in this part of the analysis is that, again, we're using a formula.
    • 00:59:58
      We're not sticking to the formula.
    • 01:00:00
      We end up with a surplus at the end of the year.
    • 01:00:03
      There has been a question of whether or not we should also provide a share of that surplus to schools as well.
    • 01:00:10
      and then we have other questions.
    • 01:00:12
      So I think that's kind of what's framing where I am.
    • 01:00:16
      I'm feeling a bit of unease in that there is not the clarity that I believe we're all striving for.
    • 01:00:23
      And the only way to arrive at that is for us to probably begin digging into some hard conversations and making some decisions.
    • 01:00:30
      I don't want to contribute to us versus them mentality.
    • 01:00:35
      I am not that person.
    • 01:00:35
      I don't operate like that.
    • 01:00:37
      Ideally, this is a numbers matter.
    • 01:00:40
      What adds up?
    • 01:00:42
      We have to say yes and no to things in order to make it fit within whatever the beginning number is and the end number is.
    • 01:00:49
      And right now, I can tell you that two people sitting at this table have not been getting enough sleep in the past few days trying to make these numbers add up and they're not adding up.
    • 01:00:59
      in the current budget that we're working on and I also want to say thank you for a number that does work better for sure because the number that we're now working with actually we have a chance of making it fit but we still have some work to do in order to make these numbers work.
    • 01:01:15
      I guess again just pointing out the idea that
    • 01:01:18
      The questions are fair questions to be asked.
    • 01:01:21
      They're reasonable questions to ask.
    • 01:01:23
      I think we have to make sure we do a better job of responding to those questions.
    • 01:01:27
      I think we owe that we should have shared an actual to budget resolution or reconciliation at the end of the year.
    • 01:01:35
      and that's something that we can make sure that we go forward in doing.
    • 01:01:39
      But I also think we have to use the right context in that there are other things that are not captured in the current agreements that we have.
    • 01:01:46
      So at some point, where's the ability for it to be a wash?
    • 01:01:49
      So I think those are questions and I'm framing that as tonight I'm lighting the match and then I'm walking away from the match because I'm really looking for y'all to talk about this and let's figure out what it is that we do next.
    • 01:02:02
      I think I have one more slide.
    • 01:02:05
      Maybe or not.
    • 01:02:07
      I might not.
    • 01:02:08
      Nope.
    • 01:02:09
      I ended on this because I intended to light a match and walk away from that.
    • 01:02:13
      So any questions on anything that you've seen from what we just discussed?
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:02:30
      Sam, the number that they've given tonight, your thinking fits within those calculations.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:02:38
      Yeah, the 4.9 million dollar figure for the operating match is there.
    • 01:02:43
      We have that number factored in
    • 01:02:45
      We have a gap in the budget that we're working on right now to close, even with that number in.
    • 01:02:52
      But that's just the result.
    • 01:02:53
      That's part of the process where we're working through all of that, going over various department budgets, making some different decisions on what it is that I'm going to say, yes, I'll support that or no, to try to make it come together.
    • 01:03:07
      But the goal that I have set is that we will close this budget gap by Friday of this week.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:03:13
      Okay, and then the addition to the priority projects, the $250,000 in the CIP, are you still thinking through that?
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:03:21
      Yeah, so what we have done is we've taken a look at the CIP.
    • 01:03:25
      I think I've gotten my last version of the I've gotten what you have called the final version of the CIP four times, maybe, and I changed a lot on Saturday because we've met on Saturday too.
    • 01:03:38
      I think I know what we have done at this point is we have increased on the school CIP side.
    • 01:03:46
      We looked at both categories, the modernization category, as well as the
    • 01:03:51
      Small cap for my Santa Clara lump sum.
    • 01:03:53
      We've looked at both.
    • 01:03:54
      There are increases in both categories.
    • 01:03:57
      I can't tell you what that number is right now because I'm not sure that it's going to stay.
    • 01:04:00
      So we'll work to try to get that concluded.
    • 01:04:04
      But we have looked at both and I have considered increasing both.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:04:08
      Now, I'm assuming this new list that they've come up with the audit for security is not factored in anywhere.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:04:14
      So that is unfortunate matter for us at this time because we have not looked at anything unless it was already a part of the list within facilities for projects.
    • 01:04:28
      I would assume possibly some things could be.
    • 01:04:33
      Yeah, there could be some things that are on that list that are already in our churn.
    • 01:04:41
      But I'll say that at this time those would be new things and that would cause the budget gap to go in the wrong direction for us to be able to work those in right now.
    • Krisy Hammill
    • 01:04:49
      And I'll just add, we're making a final swipe at the revenues, so we have about another week or so to look at those.
    • 01:04:58
      But as we talk about the 40% formula, if we were sticking to that, the new dollars to schools would be $3.4 million as compared to the $4.9 million ask that we're working with.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:05:13
      Mr. Sanders, can I ask you a question about the audit items not being budgeted to this point?
    • 01:05:20
      I think, and this maybe speaks to your point about the agreements not being robust enough or thorough enough, because I think we are operating from a thought that they should have been on the list all the time.
    • 01:05:33
      Like those were items that we have been paying the city
    • 01:05:38
      to be keeping on top of they weren't they've now shown up on this audit and so now we're asking for money that we've already paid to go towards rectifying this.
    • 01:05:50
      Is that an erroneous thought?
    • SPEAKER_16
    • 01:05:55
      I would argue
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:05:58
      I was trying, trying not to have him come up if I could, but I'll say before Mike starts is that my opinion would be that we should have some of these projects, some of the items, some of the findings in the audit should be somewhere on some list.
    • 01:06:15
      I would think just because we're doing condition assessments of buildings and those are the types of things that would come up.
    • 01:06:22
      There may be things that go beyond that.
    • 01:06:24
      So if you would speak to that, I'd love to hear that too.
    • SPEAKER_10
    • 01:06:28
      Sure.
    • 01:06:30
      You basically said what I was going to say, so I'll go back to my seat.
    • 01:06:35
      Some of the things, it was a pretty comprehensive list of things in the safety audit.
    • 01:06:41
      Most of those things are things that would normally be picked up by our lump sum.
    • 01:06:46
      Some of them are small, some of them are large, some of them are structural.
    • 01:06:53
      were challenged by the fact some some of the things that are on a list like that are going to be things that are always going to need to be fixed.
    • 01:06:59
      Some of them are things that have changed.
    • 01:07:01
      There was no call for vestibules in schools 10 years ago.
    • 01:07:07
      But we've started to add them in since that started to become a demand.
    • 01:07:11
      Some of the schools weren't built with any vestibules in mind.
    • 01:07:14
      So to build a vestibule specifically for schools like Greenbrier.
    • 01:07:20
      You're building a new building outside the building, basically.
    • 01:07:22
      So it is a bigger lift in those cases.
    • 01:07:27
      Would we eventually get to all those things?
    • 01:07:28
      Yes.
    • 01:07:30
      Are some of them already on the list and were they before we even got the safety security audit?
    • 01:07:36
      Yeah, somewhere.
    • 01:07:38
      And some of them are going to roll on and roll off because a lot of that's just maintenance stuff.
    • 01:07:43
      They picked up some things we already knew about and some that we didn't.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:07:49
      I would also, I guess what I feel like I'm hearing in the question and the answer is that we also have to determine what can be done and when can it be done.
    • 01:08:00
      So it's not a, if it can be done, it's a matter of when can we get to it.
    • 01:08:05
      So I think there's a reconciliation of the audit report and our laundry list of things that need to be done that we can do and from there try to figure out
    • 01:08:16
      And what would it take to be able to get more done, but I would also say that we would need prioritization so that we would know.
    • 01:08:23
      Yeah, I think that would be important to hear so that then we could consider how to deliver.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:08:29
      I also appreciate your framing this as a collective.
    • 01:08:34
      Concern and budgeting.
    • 01:08:37
      I these are your schools too, counselors.
    • 01:08:42
      You know, we as a school board carry really heavily and deeply the weight of ensuring our schools are safe.
    • 01:08:53
      But we need you to feel equally strongly about that need.
    • 01:08:57
      And so I'm eager to
    • 01:09:01
      I don't know, try to put out the flame that Mr. Sanders has lit.
    • 01:09:06
      And looking at the blue revenue sheet and the 22, 23, 24 years where the school board, I guess, didn't fare as well, is that the correct understanding in the math?
    • 01:09:20
      Just drawing attention to that.
    • 01:09:21
      Those are also post-COVID years.
    • 01:09:23
      where the demands that are being made of our teachers and our schools are significantly more extensive and more expensive than they might have been in years prior.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:09:56
      One is the safety audit report.
    • 01:10:01
      So I want to assume that I haven't seen it.
    • 01:10:06
      I've heard about it and I understand the reasons for not making it public for maybe some of the information that's in there.
    • 01:10:14
      I want to assume that
    • 01:10:17
      we can work together to address the most critical ones, the ones that, you know, the consultant said, hey, you need to get to this yesterday type of thing.
    • 01:10:27
      That to me is non-negotiable.
    • 01:10:30
      So I don't know what they are, but we need to make sure that we have those Emily for the budget this year.
    • 01:10:39
      Okay.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:10:40
      And I believe that has been shared with the facilities.
    • 01:10:42
      So however we need to shore up that communication,
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:10:47
      My other question is a comment is Dr. Gurley, you mentioned $125,000 for a new position to help with the construction things, I believe.
    • 01:11:00
      I think it was for a new position or something.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 01:11:04
      Oh, yes.
    • 01:11:05
      So just like we've seen a lot of efficiencies in our practices with the with the transportation, I think that we would see the benefit.
    • 01:11:16
      We would see the benefit of like having something similar where someone's shoring the facilities part.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:11:23
      Right.
    • 01:11:23
      Right.
    • 01:11:23
      And I understand that.
    • 01:11:24
      I don't want to know what that I have an impact on the
    • 01:11:28
      the agreement that we have with the city now for that, those services.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 01:11:35
      I don't think so because it didn't change.
    • 01:11:38
      I mean, it didn't change our transportation agreement other than now we're not paying for that salary.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:11:47
      Well, that's what I mean.
    • 01:11:48
      Well, it all helped offset some of the work and things that Mike and his credit.
    • Royal Gurley
    • 01:11:54
      I mean, I believe so.
    • 01:11:56
      I mean, and Mike's much smarter in this area than I am.
    • 01:11:59
      But I do think that, you know, having someone who can project, manage and not beat up someone from his team.
    • 01:12:10
      Right.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:12:12
      Yes.
    • 01:12:13
      And my last kind of question or comment is to you, Emily, as leader of the school board.
    • 01:12:20
      Is there something that, because we're kind of working together and you gave us a budget that's a request that's reasonable?
    • 01:12:30
      What's the one thing that wasn't included that you wish Dr. Gurley had?
    • 01:12:37
      I know I'm trying I'm looking at you know I want to be here.
    • 01:12:46
      Yeah, what was on the bubble?
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:12:48
      No, I mean, I think we are required to make a needs-based budget and that is what Dr. Gurley and his team have put together and presented to you.
    • 01:12:56
      We could certainly add more things to it.
    • 01:13:00
      I think if we could, we would beef up the number of interventionists that we have that are providing that really intensive small group instruction.
    • 01:13:08
      We've got some of those in the budget, but I think his team has put together a budget that doesn't have fluff in it that is going to meet the needs of our students.
    • SPEAKER_15
    • 01:13:30
      Thank you.
    • Lisa Torres
    • 01:13:33
      Just a couple of questions for me.
    • 01:13:35
      First off, I want to say thank you, Mr. Sanders, for what you brought to us.
    • 01:13:40
      And I really do appreciate the tone of the conversation, the working together.
    • 01:13:46
      I mean, we've kind of been talking about something's got to give, something's got to change a little bit.
    • 01:13:51
      So I'm really excited to hear just that that door is opened.
    • 01:13:56
      And I think
    • 01:13:57
      We, as a council and a school board can continue to work together to make this.
    • 01:14:04
      You know, we, we, as much as you all work, we work equally as hard to try and find a balance and bring to you a balance as in the, you know, the.
    • 01:14:16
      in the ask that's going to impact our budget.
    • 01:14:21
      The list, you know, as far as the critical safety items, you know, to Mayor Wade's question.
    • 01:14:29
      And I mean, we appreciate the fact that facilities has seen that.
    • 01:14:33
      I think a person
    • 01:14:37
      I'd be curious to like be able to turn time back and to see what this list might have looked like before COVID years ago.
    • 01:14:45
      I mean, I think COVID has impacted all of us in so many different ways and trying to just kind of stay on top of things and keep things running.
    • 01:14:54
      So no fault to anybody.
    • 01:14:57
      But I do think
    • 01:14:59
      having somebody on site who can kind of monitor these things more consistently and continue to be that liaison between the schools in the city and just to keep so that we don't have another list like this in a few years.
    • 01:15:15
      And again, so I look forward to that.
    • 01:15:17
      I'm curious, Mr. Sanders, on your first sheet, the white sheet, you know, where you drew attention to the $908,000 and again, all in teamwork.
    • 01:15:29
      I don't know if you guys were able to, when you pull those figures together to just kind of see specific areas where that money may have come from.
    • 01:15:39
      and that in that work that could be something you know that we're able to find I don't I don't need an answer to that unless it was really blaring but I mean that that is money that could have made a difference whether it be for lighting or for
    • 01:15:56
      and other types of things, you know, maintenance around the schools, but again, more than anything, I just wanted to express gratitude for saying let's, for lighting that fire.
    • 01:16:08
      I mean, I think it's a fire we all need and I think we all welcome it and to do this work and to find whatever that happy medium is again.
    • 01:16:18
      Hopefully, in your tenure and in working with us, you've seen that we're willing to go back and really what can we do to bring a better number to the city?
    • 01:16:27
      And it's not fluff and to Ms.
    • 01:16:29
      Dooley's point.
    • 01:16:30
      I mean, we, I think we asked Dr. Gurley a similar question last week, like what would you do?
    • 01:16:36
      What would you add?
    • 01:16:37
      What positions, you know, do we really feel like we could have used?
    • 01:16:40
      And I think it is.
    • 01:16:41
      the interventional supports for our students.
    • 01:16:45
      And especially with the state accreditation model changing, our kids need that.
    • 01:16:51
      All of them do.
    • 01:16:52
      Whether it's coming out of COVID or not, our kids need our specialists, our teachers, our experts who invest so much time.
    • 01:17:03
      So again, I wanted to just make those comments.
    • 01:17:06
      It really wasn't a question, but thank you again for what you brought to us tonight.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:17:17
      Can you have the questions?
    • 01:17:19
      I still, this fire still, I had to move.
    • 01:17:23
      I could use the fire when I was sick.
    • 01:17:25
      It is cold right here.
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:17:29
      I wonder why you moved.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:32
      Me too.
    • 01:17:33
      More money for the HVAC system.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:17:39
      Counselors, are there other questions?
    • 01:17:41
      I assume we can't get Michael in.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:47
      Councillor Payne.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:17:51
      Yes, can you hear me?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:53
      Councillor Payne.
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:17:55
      Can you hear me?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:57
      He's feeling better.
    • 01:17:59
      Well, that's okay.
    • 01:18:01
      We can catch up with him.
    • 01:18:05
      Council is here.
    • 01:18:06
      Any other questions?
    • Brian Pinkston
    • 01:18:08
      Yeah, I just would second what the mayor said about whatever these critical pieces are for the security audit.
    • 01:18:16
      I think
    • 01:18:20
      I'm not an expert on that topic.
    • 01:18:21
      So I'm not going to try to weigh into what the priorities for that should be.
    • 01:18:25
      But I hope that there will be a full some discussion about what on the assessment of the priorities of those items in sort of a timeline for what we think we could do and when I think that's something that we owe ourselves in the public.
    • 01:18:45
      Maybe that already exists.
    • 01:18:47
      I don't know.
    • 01:18:49
      Yeah.
    • 01:18:51
      And that we, that is not saying this is what we should do, but that is one reason why we have CIP contingency money if there's something that's truly emergent, which I don't know enough about the list to say whether that's true or not.
    • 01:19:04
      But just saying.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:19:08
      I think, um, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of, I'll sort of
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:19:18
      What do you envision, I guess, is the next steps to clean up the agreements, consider whether for two and change becomes one.
    • 01:19:29
      Have you gotten that far in thinking through
    • Sam Sanders
    • 01:19:35
      in all of your free time right now.
    • 01:19:51
      amount to four working agreements in play, whether they exist in writing or not.
    • 01:19:57
      We have that.
    • 01:19:58
      So I need to get more out of it.
    • 01:20:00
      This exercise has informed me in a way that I just now have details that I didn't have.
    • 01:20:06
      I knew there was a reality.
    • 01:20:07
      I just didn't know what it was.
    • 01:20:09
      And then, of course, Chrissy is always sitting right here.
    • 01:20:12
      And it's an angel and a devil at times.
    • 01:20:16
      It just depends how that works.
    • 01:20:19
      But
    • 01:20:21
      It's a finance thing.
    • 01:20:22
      That's right.
    • 01:20:22
      I had a separation.
    • 01:20:24
      I imagine that that's why Renee is over there.
    • 01:20:27
      So it's that I do think
    • 01:20:31
      I feel like for me, I want to always make sure that I am listening to what counsel is saying as to what they're hearing.
    • 01:20:40
      So I think there is still more conversation for us to have about what they've heard tonight and how they would like to prioritize, as I've already said, and being perfectly clear and not hiding anything at this moment.
    • 01:20:52
      And addition today is increasing the gap because the gap still exists.
    • 01:20:58
      So that's a problem and my job is to bring a balanced budget and I will bring one and that means that I'll just continue to cut and chip away until we get to a point of it balancing and then I will show them what's not in and then they will make a different decision as it relates to is there more revenue to bring to the table.
    • 01:21:16
      There are probably a few questions I can ask between now and Thursday to get a little more clarity.
    • 01:21:22
      But I think there's some internal conversations we need to have.
    • 01:21:25
      I think Superintendent and I probably need to have some specific conversation about things that we can each do.
    • 01:21:31
      and then bring that together and then go back to our respective bodies and kind of invite you in to some of those conversations and see what comes.
    • 01:21:41
      I imagine a joint work session is needed at some point, maybe in summer when some of you are a little freer than others.
    • 01:21:51
      That never happens.
    • 01:21:52
      I'm just saying that.
    • 01:21:52
      But there's probably a work session to have there.
    • 01:21:56
      And then it's a looking forward session.
    • 01:21:58
      I think we're probably gonna need to look back.
    • 01:22:00
      Part of what I know we're going to have to do is we're going to have to agree to disagree on some things and then we're going to have to move past that.
    • 01:22:07
      Because as we've shown you there's a sheet of paper here that says $900,000 could have come to you.
    • 01:22:11
      I am not sitting here saying that I want to hand over $900,000.
    • 01:22:15
      won because I feel like we have in different ways.
    • 01:22:19
      And I think that's part of what I'm speaking to as the issue that we have at hand.
    • 01:22:24
      But I have a request even tonight to add $250,000 a year to the CIP.
    • 01:22:29
      That's $1.25 million.
    • 01:22:31
      That's got to come from somewhere.
    • 01:22:32
      So I've got to figure out if we're going to be able to do that.
    • 01:22:34
      How do we do that and make it fit?
    • 01:22:36
      I think we just need to wrestle with some of this and conclude whatever we do.
    • Juandiego Wade
    • 01:22:42
      Yeah, and I just want to add, as far as that agreement, I'm glad you mentioned it, Emily, is that I'm glad that
    • 01:22:51
      That's the approach that I would take.
    • 01:22:52
      But even if it takes, if it's not done by next budget season, I think that it's ongoing.
    • 01:22:59
      I would definitely it would rather get it right than to kind of rush it to do it.
    • 01:23:05
      Because as we can see, we're going to be living with that agreement, even though we can update it in things for a long time.
    • 01:23:11
      So we want to make sure it has all of the
    • 01:23:16
      contingencies and things that we can anticipate as possible.
    • 01:23:20
      And at least for us, our really public hearings and work session really kind of begins in March and, you know, later this month and where we're going to have a lot of public care.
    • 01:23:33
      We know we're getting a lot of requests not to raise the taxes.
    • 01:23:39
      We're at the limit pretty much on, you know, meals,
    • 01:23:44
      Lodging and so in real estate is we're already, you know, pretty expensive to live in.
    • 01:23:49
      So anyway, we have some constraints as well.
    • 01:23:53
      Assessments are going up.
    • 01:23:54
      I'm sure everyone got their, got those at their own homes that got theirs and it went up.
    • 01:24:00
      And so anyway, so that's kind of where we are.
    • 01:24:04
      So this is very helpful for us.
    • Chris Meyer
    • 01:24:09
      Excuse me, Chair.
    • 01:24:13
      And we have, I think, two committees.
    • 01:24:17
      We have a CIP joint working committee, right?
    • 01:24:20
      And I might posit that, you know, a little bit after budget season, that group get together and take a look at the audit questions and more of those and help prioritize.
    • 01:24:31
      That could be, I think, a thing.
    • 01:24:32
      At least I'd be interested to see that happen in order to
    • 01:24:37
      I think make sure those things are moving forward and not saying that's not going to be prioritized, but we do have a joint committee that could be utilized to review those things.
    • 01:24:49
      Occasionally me and Councilor Snook, I remember last year we were sitting here and you suggested the same thing that we look at school funding formula because your tax kind of basis and how you guys tax in the city has changed a lot.
    • 01:25:04
      You've been moving up different taxes, down different taxes, etc.
    • 01:25:09
      Obviously our student body has changed, is dynamic also a lot of it based on the public housing and the affordable housing.
    • 01:25:16
      Again, monies that you all support.
    • 01:25:19
      It's changed.
    • 01:25:20
      So I think, right, we need to think about and look at this.
    • 01:25:24
      It can't just be hooked to real property and personal property tax.
    • 01:25:28
      This formula that again is archaic in my mind.
    • 01:25:32
      But more of a, how many students do we have?
    • 01:25:34
      You know, again, what type of students do we have?
    • 01:25:38
      What are the needs of those types of different students and a budget that reflects that?
    • 01:25:42
      And again, I think
    • 01:25:43
      Mayor Wade, you always say, you know, it's a needs-based budget and like, okay, what are those needs of our students and the funding should reflect that.
    • 01:25:50
      So that's my two cents.
    • 01:25:52
      Maybe I'll put up some ideas on how we could go.
    • 01:25:55
      I do think we should be trying to finish something up before the next budget season, though I think that is possible.
    • 01:26:01
      We just need to do the work.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:26:04
      Any other questions from School Board members?
    • 01:26:09
      All right, with that, we can move on to comments from members of the community.
    • 01:26:14
      Is there anybody in the cafeteria that would like to give public comment?
    • 01:26:22
      No takers.
    • 01:26:24
      Do we have Zoom going?
    • 01:26:25
      Nobody on?
    • 01:26:27
      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:26:35
      Are you guys able to hear me over there?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 01:27:01
      Are you able to hear me?
    • 01:27:05
      Are you, am I able to be heard?
    • 01:27:08
      I can't tell.
    • 01:27:14
      Hello, can you hear me?
    • 01:27:19
      How about now?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:27:21
      Yes, we can hear you.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 01:27:22
      You got me now?
    • 01:27:25
      Okay.
    • 01:27:26
      All right, I'm assuming I can be heard.
    • 01:27:27
      Sorry.
    • 01:27:28
      Hi, my name is Peter Davis.
    • 01:27:29
      I teach at Charlottesville High School.
    • 01:27:32
      And I've been a teacher there for 16 years.
    • 01:27:34
      Absolutely love the city schools.
    • 01:27:36
      Good evening, everybody.
    • 01:27:37
      I'm sorry, I couldn't be there in person.
    • 01:27:39
      I usually love to be as many meetings as possible.
    • 01:27:42
      I've been a part of some of the other budget discussion.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:27:44
      Mr. Cuomo, if you could ask him to stop.
    • 01:27:46
      We can't hear him.
    • 01:27:47
      Okay.
    • 01:27:48
      Miss Gilkin is offered to call and put him on speakerphone.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 01:27:58
      All right.
    • 01:28:00
      Sorry, still not able to be heard.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:28:02
      Yeah, Miss Gilligan is here.
    • 01:28:03
      I think she's going to try to make some comments.
    • 01:28:07
      Okay.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:28:14
      While we're getting that set up, the school board did receive a letter from Mr. Alan Wong.
    • 01:28:20
      We've all received that and it will be part of public comment as well.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 01:28:33
      Hi, so my name is Peter Davis.
    • 01:28:40
      I'm a teacher at Charlottale High School and I hope that my comments are worth all this effort.
    • 01:28:46
      I just wanted to hop on for just a minute.
    • 01:28:51
      I wanted to be there in person but couldn't be there tonight.
    • 01:28:54
      I thank you all for working really hard on this budget and
    • 01:28:56
      Overall, I'm really excited to see they coming together for everything that we're asking for.
    • 01:29:03
      I didn't want to just kind of make a quick observation from my perspective of talking about modernizing our facilities.
    • 01:29:11
      I think that I don't have a better term for it, but I think that we need to think a little bit more about how we talk about the modernization of our schools.
    • 01:29:20
      I think a lot of our schools are really stuck in
    • 01:29:22
      I don't know how this works.
    • 01:29:34
      I'm not an expert in budgeting and finance, but I do know how long projects take in the school system to get things done.
    • 01:29:42
      And I don't see a lot of like serious, you know, talk of
    • 01:29:47
      What projects need to be done as I walk through CHS, you know, we've got peat peeling, we've got tons of greens, most of them with no windows.
    • 01:29:56
      You know, the ceilings look really, really bad and out of shape.
    • 01:30:00
      Bathrooms, you know, definitely need updates.
    • 01:30:02
      We haven't had, and the lighting in most of the classrooms are kind of migraine inducing.
    • 01:30:08
      It's just not conducive to learning, it's not conducive to working.
    • 01:30:13
      and a lot of these spaces.
    • 01:30:14
      And I think we really need to look at how we fund our capital improvements to see where we can fill in more money to make bigger investments in this.
    • 01:30:25
      I would encourage anyone in this decision-making process to spend the day walking through it and trying to work in these spaces and seeing how you're feeling.
    • 01:30:36
      Like I said, I love Charlotte City Schools and I don't try to disparage anything with that going on, but I just think that we really need to find
    • 01:30:43
      Ways to make these projects happen in a time of manner, because we've talked about tonight, the longer we wait on these things, the more expensive they get, and there's just kind of a vicious cycle.
    • 01:30:53
      So if we can find ways to add more to this and get serious about really planning out what needs to be done in the schools, I would like to be a part of that, if possible, if you need any help from teachers or whatever to get ideas.
    • 01:31:06
      I'm happy to help out, but I just wanted to help out and say that.
    • 01:31:09
      But thanks again for all that you are doing.
    • 01:31:11
      I know it's hard work and it's a difficult thing to make a budget like this.
    • 01:31:15
      But as we talk about a needs-based budget, I would challenge you to think about how we look at what the word need is and what the needs really are.
    • 01:31:24
      Because I think a lot of other work needs to be done when it comes to our facilities.
    • 01:31:28
      So thank you very much.
    • Emily Dooley
    • 01:31:31
      Thank you.
    • 01:31:31
      Thank you, Ms.
    • 01:31:33
      Gilken, for making that work.
    • 01:31:35
      Any other takers for public comment?
    • 01:31:41
      All right.
    • 01:31:42
      We have
    • 01:31:44
      No school tomorrow.
    • 01:31:45
      So our rezoning meeting will be rescheduled.
    • 01:31:49
      We are also canceling our Thursday school board budget work session.
    • 01:31:53
      So our next meeting will be Thursday, February 20th, for the approval of this budget, followed by March 6th, our regularly scheduled school board meeting.
    • 01:32:07
      to our city council partners.
    • 01:32:08
      Thank you.
    • 01:32:09
      And we look forward to a more normal Virginia snow tomorrow that will be followed by 60 degrees and rain maybe, so a little bit easier cleanup conditions.
    • 01:32:18
      But thank you again, everyone.
    • 01:32:20
      And with that, we are adjourned.