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Human Rights Commission Meeting   12/19/2024

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  • 20241219 HRC Regular Meeting Agenda.pdf
  • 20241219 HRC Regular Meeting Agenda Packet.pdf
  • 20241219 Approved HRC Regular Meeting Minutes (PDF).pdf
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      and 637, December 19th.
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      So let's record it.
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      Todd, would you please do roll call?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Yes, happy to do that.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Ernest?
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      Yep.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Wolfgang?
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Mary?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Here.
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      Bethany's not here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Dawn, you know, is not going to be with us this evening.
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      Suzanne?
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      Here.
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      Jason?
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      Here.
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      Heather?
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      Here.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Elizabeth?
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      Here.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Can we all please recite the mission together?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      As a strong advocate to justice and equal opportunity by providing citywide leadership and guidance in the area of civil rights.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      For members of the public participating virtually, if you experience technical difficulties, you may call 434.
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      970-3115.
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      Any staff person will assist you.
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      That is 434-970-3115.
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      Do we have anybody?
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      We have no one in person.
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      So we are going to move on to minutes.
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      Do you have any minutes?
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      Do I have minutes?
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      Cool.
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      All right.
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      because we didn't have a December.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      We're ahead of the game.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      All right.
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      We don't have anything from November minutes.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Do we have November?
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      Do we not need November?
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      Let me think about that.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      I did November minutes.
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      I think they're not on the agenda.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      We just forgot to put them in the agenda.
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      So we're not ahead of the game, but we're on the game.
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      We'll cut them in January.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      We'll cut them in January.
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      Yeah, it's fine.
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      It's okay.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      We know what we need to do.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      All right.
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      Roll them right along.
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      Business Matters Chair update.
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      I don't have anything right now.
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      I know per the work plan, I was supposed to be getting in contact with someone to talk about reparations.
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      and definitely I have not, it's been a busy November and December, busier than I thought it was going to be.
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      So I have not reached out to that.
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      So in my time off from school, the next two and a half weeks, if anybody's in, I will try to reach out to individuals and see what the pleasure is of,
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      people in this area about reparations.
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      All right.
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      Office staff?
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      Office of Human Rights?
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      Do we have any doctors?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      I don't have much.
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      I
    • SPEAKER_03
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      I'm tabling the Community Festival of Hope on Sunday from 12 to 5.
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      That's not in your packet, because I didn't confirm it until after the packet was posted.
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      I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said.
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      The Community Festival of Hope at the Park Park 12 to 5 on Sunday.
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      If anybody is available, you can stop by.
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      And oh, exciting news, the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act
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      For sure that I've been working on is now translated.
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      I'm compiling the six languages for that, and then we'll be able to get them printed and start distributing them.
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      And I think that's all I have for now.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      What's the time of the event again on Sunday?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      12 to 5.
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      Thank you.
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      On Sunday, did you say Sunday?
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      Sunday.
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      Sorry, I thought you said Saturday.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      If I did, I'm sorry.
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      It's on Sunday.
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      It's on Sunday.
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      Gotcha.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      You're still welcome there on Saturday.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      Big Spark is open then.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      You get the farmer's market.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      Exactly.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      The farmer's market would be closed by 12, right?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      No, it would be.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      It's Sunday.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      The farmer's market's on Sundays?
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      No, the event is on Sunday.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      We're talking about Saturday versus Sunday.
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      That would give me a hard time.
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      That's OK.
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      This looks like a great program.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Yes, the event is on Sunday.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Is this going to be a big event?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
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      It says that the Moonlight Circus will perform.
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      A couple that would like to be legally married before January, you could take advantage of the interfaith clergy member who will be present all day.
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      I'm just reading this off of the internet.
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      I was asked.
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      Oh, and I believe Terry Bauer will be there.
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      Mary will be there.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      Is that the word from the VA?
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      I don't know, but it's OK.
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      It's not really worth a trip over there for that.
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      But I will see you because I will be there.
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      Should we all be there?
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      Like I'm going to be there too.
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      Let's go.
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      They have the part of the round.
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      There's something called we won't go back.
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      That's like part of the event.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      I have nothing else to do so I might as well go.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      This is kind of the methodology here.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      All right, just make sure you wait.
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      Hey, how you doing?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      That's right.
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      Is it overwhelming?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Let's see.
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      Seven people table all together.
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      Yeah, exactly.
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      We're in a round table.
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      Oh, two old girls.
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      Glad to hear that Marius has some participation in that.
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      That's awesome.
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      We'll love to hear what you have to say.
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      Anything else?
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      Office?
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      Lauren, do you have anything?
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      Just to give you an option.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Oh, I appreciate that.
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      Influx?
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      No, it's okay.
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      No, no, no.
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      I was trying to figure out how to formulate my sentence.
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      Just a couple of more intakes have come in.
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      And so it's very exciting to talk to the community folks and see where we can help.
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      So just,
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      A little bit more focused this last time I was here, so exciting.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Everybody's working hard, but Lauren's working really hard right now.
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      I think it's kind of, I don't know what it is.
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      Maybe very effective outreach has led to more intakes, but I think we're approaching
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      like the most complaints we've ever had in a year.
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      Cause I think some of them are moving.
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      They had a couple that are just choosing to bypass the speed resolution right off the bat.
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      So that means we're going to be into the 13, 14 number of complaints this year, which is a lot.
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      And that means a lot of, that means Shiloh is also working hard cause she has two open investigations right now.
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      And that would mean two to three more coming.
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      So that's a lot.
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      So kind of, for me, it's like, how is everyone doing?
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      How are our plates?
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      How full are our plates?
    • SPEAKER_03
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      So we're watching.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Other updates.
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      Wow.
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      Hey, look, we got another one of these.
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      Thank you for working with us.
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      It was really good to see that it's been really nice working with us this time.
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      We got very clear feedback on what they needed to give us a whole
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      So that makes me think that we may have made it this time and do appreciate that they have given us kind of an accelerated time to be able to get this done when the new administration comes in because it's hard to say what will change at HUD.
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      So we're thrilled that we both got that and that if you all adopt tonight,
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      No pressure, but you know, if you do adopt your recommended consult tonight, that means we're on the agenda for January 6th.
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      And then again for the 21st, if they want to do a second reading that gets us done and we can get that off the hunt.
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      So anyway, that's exciting.
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      Other things?
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      One minor update.
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      More of a somber note, unfortunately Albemarle County lost a school board member yesterday.
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      He was a Charlottesville native.
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      He served in the military.
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      Gave pretty much his entire adult career to ACPS.
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      So just wanted to acknowledge his passing, Chuck Pace.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      What's his last name?
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      Pace.
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      Chuck Pace.
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      Good name.
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      Goodness.
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      What's your presence, Norman?
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
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      Yeah, he was the Rio district member.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
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      Yeah, I read it was just very sudden but...
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      It was, yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Mr. Pace's family and our parents and adults.
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      Anything else from the office?
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      It's encouraging to hear everything that's going on with housing and low-income housing and low-barrier housing all in all within the city.
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      The Salvation Army and the city helping get money.
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      I hope that the Fifeville community will
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      Allow the city to build in that space that's on, what is that right there by Tustin?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Cherry Island.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Cherry Island, yep.
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      That don't, you know, build there.
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      We need the housing.
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      That's probably.
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      So, you know, I don't know where else people can, where else we can build in Charlottesville.
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      Ose Akinlotan.
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      Anything else from the office?
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      We're moving on.
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      I have a letter I have constructed to send to all of you that are returning.
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      I did not send out the letter because I also wanted to try to
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      to talk to people personally to get an idea.
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      So that is still my goal is to talk to everyone over either email or phone to find out what you're planning on doing for the next year.
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      I'm hoping everybody will come back.
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      That still has time or has,
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      Their term is not done.
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      And also to talk to anyone that may have a desire to be chair and vice chair about their responsibilities.
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      Looking at the rules and policies, it doesn't give us, it doesn't say we have to have this done by a certain time.
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      In this sense, we have to do it.
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      Okay, so my goal is
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      that is to reach out to everyone to find out who has a desire to be chair.
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      It's really awesome because Lily and Todd do such a great job of keeping us on track and the work plan helps out so much.
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      We know where we are, what we need to be doing and what needs to happen.
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      Next and Win and that type of thing.
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      So it's really good for someone who wants to put their own spin on pushing things.
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      I think anybody that's going to be in this position next is going to be very interesting.
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      especially with the new administration in the White House, but also to see how the city will handle the changes that are gonna be coming down federally.
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      It may not be a big impact this first year, but as things start to happen, I think the next two or three years is gonna be very pivotal.
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      especially with all the unknowns.
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      So again, I will reach out to you guys, myself, Catherine, I'll reach out to you per email to say, hey, what is your desire?
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      Do you have desire to be chair or vice chair?
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      Do you have any questions about the position?
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      And then when we meet in January,
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      We'll have a slate, and then we'll run that, and that person will take over then.
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      Is everybody okay with that?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:14:26
      Sounds good.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Good with that?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      Okay.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Yep.
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      All right, so when I send an email, please return my email.
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      So we have this random roll, so we all get back.
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      We have an idea of who would like to be chair, everybody's chair.
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      Oh, and it says something about a secretary.
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      We used to have a parliamentarian as well.
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      It sounds horrible.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
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      We had a member who loved rules and regulations.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      I find that's kind of up my alley but I'm not that pedantic.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
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      I've had to have some like Robert's rules based like wars with people so maybe you know this okay it's gonna be spicy
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Going back to Roberts, leave them all alone.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      I've not seen all the rules about Martin's Rules, they seem a little more relaxed.
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      And we had like a training on Robert's Rules recently by somebody who's like an expert in it and they're like yeah it's just a guideline really do what you want as long as you get the work done so that kind of made me go oh we're doing that so right
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      It's fine.
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      It's just there for if you need something to fall back on because you can't get through a procedure or something.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
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      Yeah.
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      Yeah.
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      I mean, it's it's basically this whole structure that, you know, gives voice to minority opinions, but then allows the majority to carry the day.
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      And so it's like a nice place where if there's disagreement, people that everyone can be heard, but then the majority gets to go forward.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      All right, so thank you guys for your grace.
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      This isn't done right now.
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      So thank you.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      Thank you.
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      Of course.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Thank you for doing this.
    • 00:16:45
      Thank you.
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      So, work session.
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      Compose amendments to Charlottesville human rights points.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Again.
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      We should put again on there.
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      2.0.
    • SPEAKER_03
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      We're back.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:17:04
      So, are you ready?
    • 00:17:07
      Okay, so I hope so.
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      This is in your agenda packet.
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      It doesn't have the rainbow of colors on it because that's hard for ADA accessibility, owning out the colors, but I have my
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      Copy with colors because it's easier for me to see.
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      What we're looking at here, and I've got it on my screen.
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      So why are we doing this again?
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      Okay, so several times now we have submitted the ordinance to HUD for approval for the entrance into the Fair Housing Assistance Program work share.
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      We keep getting closer, but it's an interesting,
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      This time has been very clear, as I mentioned, and I think we caught everything.
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      So we also just kept going through because every time we open the ordinance,
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      It's like, might as well look for any typos that we missed the last time, any weird formatting that we need to fix.
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      So we caught some good things.
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      So, but the main things are in all of our enforcement sections.
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      So that's 2-437-1 through 3.
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      We made changes that mirror one another.
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      but primarily take their guidance from federal fair housing law.
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      So if that's the most strict standard, we base everything else off that standard, right?
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      Because that has to work.
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      And we don't want to have like three different procedures for all the different protected, you know, different groupings of protected classes.
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      We group public accommodation, credit private education in one section, housings in its own, and then employment in its own.
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      And we separate employment and housing.
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      Housing obviously because it has some additional rules.
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      Employment because if we go into the FIPA, which is the Fair Employment Practices Agency Agreement, and they ask us to make any ordinance changes, we want to be able to separate that out and not have it affect other activities.
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      So anyway, one of the big things that they wanted us to do was remove
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      Language that seemed burdensome to complainants to make it easier to file.
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      We had put some language in there that we learned from the EEOC through training, because that's the training that we kind of have access to in terms of investigative and intake procedures.
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      They're a little bit different than how a HUD runs.
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      And I think what HUD is trying to do, and I applaud them for this, is to say, let's make it as easy as possible for people to get in the door.
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      So we'd added some procedures that they thought, that's a little restrictive, remove those.
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      We did that.
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      And we did it in all the other sections as well.
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      And for your section, which is 439.1, they wanted to make sure that there were a few things in your public administrative hearing procedures that met their criteria as well.
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      So there's changes in there.
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      And then last, they wanted to make sure that there was very clear statement that our process doesn't limit access to judicial review either of
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      Any opinion that comes out of here or their ability to just go straight to court with any of their housing issues.
    • 00:20:35
      So that's all in there.
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      I'll scroll through slides.
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      Again, the first one is the employment section, removing the undue burden stuff, made some changes around text organization, also modified your subpoena clause.
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      And we did this in all of them.
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      We'll talk about what that means, but match the subpoena clauses in all sections where there's subpoena power, because they're really adamant about making sure we have subpoena power.
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      And we've had it, but it's more robust now.
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      We can actually go directly rather than soliciting subpoenas from the attorney's office first.
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      So we can go to the housing one.
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      So again, removed anything that placed an undue burden.
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      So there's very little review of the inquiry just for jurisdiction now.
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      We don't have any other real requirements.
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      If it's jurisdictional and it's covered under the ordinance, it's timely, all those things, we can accept the complaint.
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      So we refine the procedure to state that clearly.
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      We also modified the agency initiated complaint piece.
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      So that's where you all can either vote to say, hey, open a complaint on this systemic issue, even when there's no complainant.
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      And to mirror federal law.
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      It's an interesting process because I think we backpedaled it a bit.
    • 00:22:08
      It's not a requirement of substantial equivalence to have agency initiated complaints, but it is in federal law and state law.
    • 00:22:15
      Like state law talks about the Fair Housing Board.
    • 00:22:17
      ability to initiate complaints.
    • 00:22:19
      Federal law talks about the secretary, which is like the secretary of HUD, their ability to initiate complaints.
    • 00:22:25
      So I just changed it to director.
    • 00:22:27
      So I could also initiate a complaint.
    • 00:22:29
      And I just put that in the same clause in that section.
    • 00:22:33
      So we can do that.
    • 00:22:36
      Who knows when we will, but we might.
    • 00:22:37
      So now we have it.
    • 00:22:38
      And they said it wouldn't, it was our prerogative and wouldn't affect our substantial.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:43
      Feels timely.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:44
      Yep.
    • 00:22:46
      And
    • 00:22:47
      I won't go through all of these, but if you read it, you'll see there's some additional timeframes and procedures that we added in there, little just blips here and there in that section to meet substantial equivalents of federal fair housing law, minor revisions to tax organizations.
    • 00:23:00
      The subpoena piece was interesting.
    • 00:23:04
      I mentioned that previously it said in there we would request that the city attorney ask for a subpoena from the court.
    • 00:23:14
      They said, no, no, no, you do it.
    • 00:23:16
      You guys have the power to do that.
    • 00:23:18
      So that's both the commission and the office.
    • 00:23:19
      So commission when it's doing a
    • 00:23:22
      like a public hearing on a thing and you want some more evidence, you're like, eh, I want to know a little bit more.
    • 00:23:26
      It doesn't seem like you've got this piece.
    • 00:23:29
      You can subpoena the court.
    • 00:23:30
      We'll talk about how to do that.
    • 00:23:31
      We'll work with the city attorney on it, because I've never done that and I want to know how to do it properly.
    • 00:23:36
      But likewise, in an investigation, the office can do it as well.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:23:39
      These are findings subpoenas like they have to comply with them.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:23:42
      Oh, yeah.
    • 00:23:42
      And so there's a piece in there about compliance.
    • 00:23:45
      There's sort of an addition in there about what is the extent of our ability to request subpoenas.
    • 00:23:52
      Yeah.
    • 00:23:53
      So it's robust and it's throughout the ordinance now, which is great because one of the biggest limiters is if you have a witness who is unwilling to speak to us about a case and you don't have anything but the complainant and respondent's point of view and you need something to triangulate that.
    • 00:24:11
      So, so important to have that third point of view.
    • 00:24:18
      And we also had to be really clear about what components of our investigative and complaint process are handled internally versus externally.
    • 00:24:27
      It's really very little that we can contract out for housing.
    • 00:24:30
      We still left a much more
    • 00:24:34
      Open, ability to contract services for our other protected activities, but for housing specifically, the only things we can really contract out are informal dialogue and mediation, our conciliation efforts, which is another alternative dispute resolution method that we have.
    • 00:24:49
      The difference between that and mediation is that the city is also a third party in the settlement agreement.
    • 00:24:54
      We have to do that in-house.
    • 00:24:56
      In anticipation of that, we're actually getting certified as mediators.
    • 00:25:01
      Three of us in the office are getting certified as mediators.
    • 00:25:03
      So Lauren and Lily are further ahead than I am.
    • 00:25:06
      I have to catch up, but we're doing it.
    • 00:25:09
      And we're already using those techniques for informal dialogue.
    • 00:25:12
      Soon we'll be able to do it for a mediation as well as the conciliation stuff.
    • 00:25:16
      And we're going to get more training on that through HUD once we get into the Fair Housing Assistance Program.
    • 00:25:21
      So big changes, but pretty neat changes, powerful changes, right?
    • 00:25:26
      And so this is the last section.
    • 00:25:29
      I won't go deep into it, but basically the same set, the same stuff that we revised in the employment section we did for public accommodation, credit and private education.
    • 00:25:40
      So those two sections pretty much match one another.
    • 00:25:43
      And they match the housing procedures, but the housing procedures have a little bit more stuff in them because they have to.
    • 00:25:50
      Here we get to the last two bits, the section that applies to you all, which is the public hearing piece and your role in individual complaints.
    • 00:26:04
      Because the language in federal law is about administrative hearings, we use public hearing, public hearing, public hearing, so I switched public to administrative.
    • 00:26:14
      Just to be clear, there's a clause in there that says all administrative hearings are public hearings.
    • 00:26:19
      Anyway, that's in there.
    • 00:26:21
      And what they also wanted to make clear was, so this is important for you all.
    • 00:26:27
      If there's a finding of reasonable cause, and neither party elects to take it to court, it automatically goes to a public hearing.
    • 00:26:37
      You don't get the vote like you do in the other stuff.
    • 00:26:42
      But recall that your procedures for this are now a review of record.
    • 00:26:48
      So you're not, that doesn't mean, oh, that means we're going to have to hold court here.
    • 00:26:51
      No, no, just reviewing the record.
    • 00:26:54
      Again, you can use your subpoena power, which is also the third bullet there, if you find that you don't have enough information or we miss something in our investigation that you need to make a decision.
    • 00:27:03
      But yeah, it automatically goes if they don't choose to go to court.
    • 00:27:09
      If either party says, nope, I want to settle in court, goes to court.
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      or if we settle it through alternative dispute resolution and conciliation agreement, you don't have a hearing either.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:17
      That's really useful because I think that one thing that was just a difficult decision point was for us this past opportunity to maybe go to a public hearing was not knowing really what the both parties wanted.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:27
      Yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:28
      Right.
    • 00:27:29
      Knowing that it was our decision, not theirs.
    • 00:27:31
      And so this, if it gets to that point, it's automatic.
    • 00:27:34
      Yeah.
    • 00:27:34
      So that's...
    • 00:27:36
      It's automatic.
    • 00:27:36
      Yeah.
    • 00:27:37
      And then they would know that in advance, they would be decided to go to a public hearing as opposed to putting it in their hands.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:43
      And I think that's good to hear.
    • 00:27:45
      I mean, I think that that is another thing to consider.
    • 00:27:47
      We won't do it this round of amendments, but you could consider it for the other protected activities as well if that felt like something that made it less of a burden to decide.
    • 00:27:59
      And it's just like, no, this is the process.
    • 00:28:01
      If you don't settle in,
    • 00:28:05
      Alternative dispute resolution doesn't go to court and the other protected activities doesn't, they don't have the option to elect, but if it doesn't get resolved, it just comes to you.
    • 00:28:15
      That could be a thing.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:28:17
      But if it does come to us, then I mean, I wouldn't, I don't think I would want to give up our ability to decide not to have one if we, or to have one.
    • 00:28:27
      It's a good point.
    • 00:28:28
      It seems like, yeah, it seems like we want to make sure that we, you know, don't get
    • 00:28:34
      backed into a situation where we must have a public hearing if it isn't the right thing to do.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:28:43
      Yeah, and you could maybe think about, we talked a little bit about different situations in which that could be, well, if people were to show up for it in person, that could be the traumatic piece.
    • 00:28:54
      In this case, a review of record, there's a little bit less of that to happen, but it's something to consider, not for this time, but just reflecting on your comment there.
    • 00:29:03
      Cool.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:29:04
      Yeah.
    • 00:29:05
      Last bit there is what I mentioned earlier on is that in 2-443, we just had to be clear that nothing that we did prevents anybody from going to court about this stuff in housing cases, at least, and from exercising any other allowable rights under federal and state law.
    • 00:29:24
      So there it is.
    • 00:29:26
      We use one of our reserve sections.
    • 00:29:28
      So it's fun when we do that because we have to go, wow, because sometimes we have new things, and that wasn't a new thing.
    • 00:29:34
      Last cards we have here are, what are we doing next?
    • 00:29:38
      So January 6th, we go to council.
    • 00:29:40
      I missed the comma.
    • 00:29:41
      I misplaced the comma.
    • 00:29:43
      Look at that.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:29:45
      We're going to fix that before we go to Council.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:29:50
      I don't think that, no, these slides aren't in the Council presentation anymore.
    • 00:29:54
      It's good.
    • 00:29:55
      We had to reduce it.
    • 00:29:56
      This could kill it, Todd.
    • 00:29:57
      This could kill it.
    • 00:29:58
      You know what?
    • 00:29:58
      We need a second reading.
    • 00:29:59
      If you can't get your PowerPoint right, how do I know you got this right?
    • 00:30:03
      Fail.
    • 00:30:05
      Anyway, so get it to Council on the 6th, hopefully get it to a second reading on the 21st.
    • 00:30:12
      I don't know that they would pass it in one reading, but
    • 00:30:14
      You put that on the slide just to like set that expectation.
    • 00:30:21
      It's really a legal thing.
    • 00:30:22
      I don't know.
    • 00:30:23
      I don't know what dictates.
    • 00:30:24
      I think it's like the amount of new stuff they usually do with ordinances.
    • 00:30:31
      I think they would
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:32
      Is there any reason that any of us should show up with you when you present this?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:46
      Like, is it helpful to be supportive?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:59
      This will be later.
    • 00:31:01
      I'm in the action items.
    • 00:31:03
      So four o'clock session is like work sessions.
    • 00:31:05
      So that's like when we do our reports, like when you've done reports, this will be action items.
    • 00:31:11
      I think there's only two on there right now.
    • 00:31:13
      I think we're number two.
    • 00:31:14
      So let's see.
    • 00:31:16
      Yeah.
    • 00:31:16
      Anyway, so once they sign it, once they adopt clerk signs, we submit it to HUD and then off we go.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:26
      Hopefully we don't go, you know what?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:27
      Second thought, change this, this, and this.
    • 00:31:30
      I don't think that's going to happen this time, but it has to work.
    • 00:31:33
      So anyway, that's where we're at.
    • 00:31:37
      This little last bit here.
    • 00:31:39
      Is there one more slide?
    • 00:31:40
      There's one more slide.
    • 00:31:42
      That was just a little review of what we might expect to come in from, we may get up to three or four cases more.
    • 00:31:49
      Did we ever, we never got that data from, huh.
    • 00:31:52
      Well, we can always ask again.
    • 00:31:54
      If the past trends are accurate, we could expect three or four more cases per year to come our way.
    • 00:32:01
      So, you know, right now we're fully staffed.
    • 00:32:06
      We get access to all the training through the National Fair Housing Training Academy.
    • 00:32:12
      But what we may need to think about with this is what do we use that additional capacity building funding for?
    • 00:32:20
      Like we're fully staffed now, but if our caseloads increase,
    • 00:32:23
      You know, can Shyle handle like, you know, six cases at a time, seven cases at a time?
    • 00:32:30
      At what point do we need to consider hiring either part-time or full-time investigator?
    • 00:32:34
      So we'll have to see all that's kind of pending.
    • 00:32:37
      So it's, it was a substantial amount a few years ago when we knew what the amounts were, we'll probably get in.
    • 00:32:42
      A new crash course in what it means to be a FAP, but it was like $300,000 in access to funds for capacity building.
    • 00:32:52
      So I think that still has to go based on the budget office that still gets appropriated by council to us.
    • 00:32:57
      It's not just like handed to us, big wide of cash, nothing like that.
    • 00:33:01
      But I think it's fairly accessible and we get to be able to do some cool stuff.
    • 00:33:07
      So remains to be seen how we end up growing the office.
    • 00:33:10
      We've been talking a lot internally about
    • 00:33:12
      What that might mean, but we want to see what HUD also advises in terms of our growth.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:19
      Well, my thing is just make sure you keep in contact with Shiela.
    • 00:33:25
      Make sure she's in a good space and is handling what needs to be handled.
    • 00:33:31
      Yeah.
    • 00:33:33
      And don't wait until it's, I would say to her, I think she's on.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:40
      I'm here, I can hear you.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:44
      So don't be afraid to let Lily and Todd know when you are getting a little overwhelmed or need some extra.
    • 00:33:58
      I understand especially how we tend to overextend
    • 00:34:08
      And by the time we yell, it's too late that we need some extra help or that type of thing.
    • 00:34:15
      So please keep an eye on numbers and time and continue to have a good balance of your work and your home life and that type of thing, because that's gonna be very important coming up in the next couple of years.
    • 00:34:35
      When things going on, just take care of yourself.
    • 00:34:40
      But I know you will do a great job of taking care of the people that are coming to you and that have investigations and things pending.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:51
      Thank you.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:53
      You're welcome.
    • 00:34:55
      Tyler, I do have a question on these slides.
    • 00:34:57
      Yeah.
    • 00:34:58
      I'm a little concerned with the two next steps.
    • 00:35:04
      Yeah, tell me about that.
    • 00:35:05
      Have you thought about changing one of those next steps to something else?
    • 00:35:14
      What did I misspell?
    • 00:35:15
      No, you didn't misspell anything.
    • 00:35:16
      Next steps, next steps.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:19
      Oh, there's two slides that are called next steps.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:22
      Oh, yeah.
    • 00:35:23
      Yeah.
    • 00:35:25
      So there's phase one and phase two.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:28
      In conclusion, immediate things.
    • 00:35:31
      Those two slides are not going to be on the thing.
    • 00:35:34
      We actually removed those, but we hit.
    • 00:35:38
      Good feedback though.
    • 00:35:39
      One more with you guys.
    • 00:35:39
      We're really sloppy.
    • 00:35:40
      No, I'm just kidding.
    • 00:35:41
      Yeah, I noticed that the other day.
    • 00:35:43
      I was like, oh, I think it's just like it's next steps, one slide, and this is the rest of the next steps.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:46
      But anyway, next steps continued.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:49
      OK, part two.
    • 00:35:52
      More steps.
    • 00:35:52
      More steps.
    • 00:35:55
      More steps.
    • 00:35:56
      Watch your step.
    • 00:35:57
      OK. Any other questions?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:02
      No.
    • 00:36:03
      This is great.
    • 00:36:04
      I mean, I can only imagine.
    • 00:36:08
      How many times you all have had to look at this document and so, and like, yeah, at some point you're just, yeah.
    • 00:36:16
      So I think it looks great.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:19
      Cool.
    • 00:36:19
      I think it's in good shape.
    • 00:36:22
      Yeah.
    • 00:36:23
      And it's been helpful.
    • 00:36:25
      The more we think about this document, I remember when I first started, it was like, I knew, you know, it wasn't nearly this thick, but I knew like the first half of it.
    • 00:36:33
      And then the second half was like, and then some stuff happens.
    • 00:36:37
      Having spent so much time with it, it's like, okay, now I can see the whole process.
    • 00:36:41
      So it's, it's been kind of a, you know, forced study of it.
    • 00:36:45
      And I think that's helpful.
    • 00:36:47
      You're now the subject matter expert on it, right?
    • 00:36:49
      Yeah.
    • 00:36:50
      Multiple of us are, because we look at it so much, but, and I also want to celebrate the fact that, you know, Shiel, I don't know if we, did we mention this in the last one?
    • 00:36:59
      She has successfully now been moved from investigator in training to investigator.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:37:03
      Oh, so that was a whole thing.
    • 00:37:06
      Yeah, that's a big deal.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:37:07
      I also just want to watch the whole team because more things coming in matters to investigation, matters to intake as well, matters to alternative dispute resolution.
    • 00:37:22
      There may be new requirements for outreach.
    • 00:37:24
      There's going to be new requirements for reporting.
    • 00:37:26
      There's a whole new database we have to manage.
    • 00:37:29
      Did I mention that too?
    • 00:37:32
      It's coming.
    • 00:37:32
      They manage it.
    • 00:37:33
      We just have to put stuff in it.
    • 00:37:35
      There's lots of things.
    • 00:37:36
      So what's nice about this is it's an interim certification.
    • 00:37:41
      It's a gradual workup.
    • 00:37:42
      So I think they try to take it easy on us at first to make sure we can do it and give us some feedback.
    • 00:37:47
      So that's all I got.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:37:49
      Any other questions?
    • 00:37:50
      Oh, awesome job.
    • 00:37:55
      Office staff and team, good job, good job.
    • 00:38:01
      All right.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:03
      Is this the fun part?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:38:05
      Yeah.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:05
      Is this the voting part?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:38:06
      No.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:07
      Did we vote on that?
    • 00:38:09
      Yeah.
    • 00:38:09
      So you would make a motion to adopt amendments to recommend to city council.
    • 00:38:15
      Yeah.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:15
      Okay.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:15
      I'll just make that motion.
    • 00:38:17
      All right.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:18
      Seconded.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:20
      I have a question.
    • 00:38:22
      Yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:23
      I know.
    • 00:38:24
      I don't want to hold this up anymore.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:28
      That's fine.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:31
      So you got a... You're ready for a vote then?
    • 00:38:35
      Okay.
    • 00:38:36
      Let's do it.
    • 00:38:37
      Let's do it.
    • 00:38:38
      Okay.
    • 00:38:38
      Ernest?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:40
      I say yes, enthusiastically, because it's awesome.
    • 00:38:45
      Okay.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:46
      Yes.
    • 00:38:47
      Simi, you removed that comma.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:50
      I hate to say it, there's probably a stray thing, stray punctuation mark in the ordinance somewhere.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:38:59
      We'll catch you the next time.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:01
      Yes, full stop.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:39:03
      I read it pretty closely, yes.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:05
      Okay, thanks.
    • 00:39:06
      Did you see anything weird?
    • 00:39:07
      I did not see anything weird.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:39:10
      Kathryn's not here, Dawn's not here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:13
      Suzanne.
    • 00:39:14
      Yes.
    • 00:39:15
      Okay, Jason.
    • 00:39:16
      Yes.
    • 00:39:17
      Great.
    • 00:39:17
      Heather.
    • 00:39:18
      Yes.
    • 00:39:19
      And Elizabeth.
    • 00:39:20
      Okay, looks like we're moving.
    • 00:39:25
      That's helpful.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:26
      All right, next is policies and procedures or rules.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:37
      Yes.
    • 00:39:38
      Should we just do that?
    • 00:39:39
      This is really easy.
    • 00:39:41
      Let's go.
    • 00:39:42
      One page.
    • 00:39:42
      One page.
    • 00:39:44
      It has changes.
    • 00:39:45
      Page.
    • 00:39:46
      Three.
    • 00:39:46
      And we gave it to you months ago.
    • 00:39:48
      And then I forgot about it because I gave it to you too early.
    • 00:39:50
      And then so it's back.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:52
      Oh, yeah.
    • 00:39:52
      Change.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:53
      The change is the word strategic to annual.
    • 00:39:57
      Yes.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:59
      Can you do it on that?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:01
      Yes.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:01
      There's a little bit of an option.
    • 00:40:04
      I knew.
    • 00:40:04
      Oh, there you go.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:05
      Seconded.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:06
      There we go.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:06
      We're good.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:08
      Susan moved.
    • 00:40:08
      Yeah, it's fine.
    • 00:40:10
      Whoever got it.
    • 00:40:12
      Everybody unanimous?
    • 00:40:13
      Can we just say, is anyone opposed?
    • 00:40:15
      Okay, thank you.
    • 00:40:17
      That was pretty easy.
    • 00:40:18
      Can you live with it?
    • 00:40:19
      Okay, so we'll change that and get that posted publicly as well.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:28
      Easy.
    • 00:40:32
      Okay, work plan check in.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:40:36
      Oh my goodness, we're almost at the end of it.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:43
      This remains one of my favorite documents ever.
    • 00:40:48
      Truly.
    • 00:40:48
      Seriously.
    • 00:40:49
      Because it keeps us focused.
    • 00:40:52
      And we actually use it.
    • 00:40:56
      Yes.
    • 00:40:57
      Sorry.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:57
      Yes.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:58
      It's not yes.
    • 00:40:59
      We actually look at it every meeting, which makes it all even better.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:02
      We're working on that in the office with our work plan.
    • 00:41:05
      But we just know what we're doing all the time.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:07
      We need to select the date for the annual, now annual, planning meeting.
    • 00:41:13
      in March, it seemed like March 22nd was the best date.
    • 00:41:17
      Although not everyone is actually available for the whole of the day.
    • 00:41:21
      We'll miss out on Heather and Dawn for parts of the day.
    • 00:41:26
      What parts?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:28
      Because we didn't do the full day last time, did we?
    • 00:41:31
      We did not.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:33
      So talk about time.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:35
      Yeah.
    • 00:41:36
      Looks like Dawn is available starting at 1130.
    • 00:41:38
      Which day are we talking about?
    • 00:41:41
      Saturday, March 22nd.
    • 00:41:44
      And then Dawn is a break starting at 1.30 and then available again at 3 until 4.30.
    • 00:41:59
      So sorry, like 11.30 to 4.30.
    • 00:42:03
      I don't know how much time we need for this.
    • 00:42:06
      I can reach out to Dawn too and just see what's going on that day since she's not here with us.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:19
      We did an early session, we ate, we had food and then we did a session after that.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:25
      Yeah, I have held on my calendar 9-30-4 last year.
    • 00:42:30
      I don't know if we... We did not need it.
    • 00:42:32
      We did not.
    • 00:42:32
      I just had that held.
    • 00:42:33
      Yeah.
    • 00:42:34
      And we started later too.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:35
      We did.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:42:37
      We had to regroup.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:38
      I was going to say the AJO.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:39
      No.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:41
      No, tell us.
    • 00:42:48
      There it is.
    • 00:42:49
      I think I went to practice there.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:51
      So, sorry.
    • 00:42:51
      Say again.
    • 00:42:53
      Heather could start at 1130, is that right, Heather?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:56
      If we do it on the 22nd and I make it, I don't have any time constrictions.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:02
      Oh, okay.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:03
      The 22nd is, I would possibly be traveling that day.
    • 00:43:07
      Okay.
    • 00:43:07
      I'll just try not to be.
    • 00:43:09
      Okay.
    • 00:43:09
      But okay.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:10
      So if you're in town, you're in town.
    • 00:43:13
      Okay.
    • 00:43:13
      Yeah, exactly.
    • 00:43:14
      And then Wolfgang, sorry, what did you say about Dawn?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:17
      Dawn is available from 1130 to 130 and then three to 430.
    • 00:43:23
      So the gap where she's not available.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:25
      We'll just do everything from 11.30 then.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:28
      But it does look like she's not available any other Saturday.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:31
      Yeah, just do everything.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:32
      We might need to reach out to her and just see.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:35
      Doing everything in that window.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:38
      Saturdays are a busy day.
    • 00:43:40
      Yeah.
    • 00:43:41
      Do we consider Sundays or are Sundays impossible?
    • 00:43:44
      I'm staying on that one.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:49
      Let's say we stick on Saturday.
    • 00:43:51
      It is an easier day.
    • 00:43:54
      I can send out a poll and see if Sundays would work for people.
    • 00:43:58
      If it doesn't, we're at the same place.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:44:01
      Ernest, you wouldn't be with us anymore.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:03
      No, I wouldn't.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:05
      Did we do one in the evening one time?
    • 00:44:07
      I liked Saturday better.
    • 00:44:08
      I'm going to say that because I felt more energy.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:11
      I don't think we did one in the evening some time ago.
    • 00:44:16
      Was it two years ago?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:17
      I feel like it was my first one.
    • 00:44:18
      Yeah.
    • 00:44:19
      Yeah.
    • 00:44:19
      Yes.
    • 00:44:20
      That was a long day.
    • 00:44:21
      That was a long day.
    • 00:44:21
      Yeah.
    • 00:44:24
      Yeah.
    • 00:44:25
      Did you see anything, Todd, on our time?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:27
      It looked like it was 10 to 1.
    • 00:44:29
      For some reason, it wrote
    • 00:44:30
      things down weird and on the minutes we didn't actually record the time properly but I think we missed that because that'd be weird it's already set but um yeah it looks like 10 to 1.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:40
      Oh I don't like us more than that but okay.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:43
      We were longer than one o'clock.
    • 00:44:45
      Longer than one?
    • 00:44:45
      I don't know.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:46
      I thought we did.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:47
      Yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:48
      Because that you know because we because what time do we eat because I know we ate at least 40.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:53
      Maybe we called it back to order.
    • 00:44:55
      Oh that's what we did.
    • 00:44:57
      We called them back to order at one after eating.
    • 00:44:59
      We stopped at 11.15, called them back to order at 12.54.
    • 00:45:03
      What we didn't write is when we finally adjourned on this thing.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:07
      So at least we went a couple of hours after that.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:10
      Yeah.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:11
      So it's probably about five hours.
    • 00:45:14
      Yeah, I was thinking about five.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:15
      OK. 10 to 3.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:18
      With lunch in there?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:20
      I'm out of it.
    • 00:45:21
      That sounds good.
    • 00:45:23
      That sounds good to me.
    • 00:45:24
      I'm also fine with starting at 9.
    • 00:45:28
      in doing, yeah, I don't know.
    • 00:45:31
      Do people have strong opinions?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:45:34
      We usually started at 10.
    • 00:45:39
      What's that?
    • 00:45:40
      I said it sounded like we might catch more of Dawn's window if we started at 10.
    • 00:45:44
      Is that accurate?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:46
      We get her for about an hour and a half.
    • 00:45:51
      It's not a ton of time.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:52
      Yeah, I mean, it's the same.
    • 00:45:53
      We get the same out of Dawn.
    • 00:45:56
      Either way.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:59
      Here's the agenda.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:46:03
      No.
    • 00:46:03
      Yeah, we said it didn't work.
    • 00:46:07
      Hey, traffic.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:09
      Traffic was really bad.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:12
      Yes.
    • 00:46:13
      The back of a bike, some 250.
    • 00:46:17
      Well, maybe Catherine can come and settle, settle it.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:23
      Because we only have about an hour and a half of Dawn's time, right?
    • 00:46:27
      11.31.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:28
      She's out.
    • 00:46:30
      She won't be here.
    • 00:46:34
      Let's put the difference between 9 and 10 and say 9.30.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:38
      Yeah?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:39
      We think that's exactly what we did last year.
    • 00:46:41
      It's probably what we did last year.
    • 00:46:42
      We would get started late because of everything going wrong.
    • 00:46:45
      We split the difference between 9 and 10 and we say 9.30.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:47
      Yeah, last year was parking.
    • 00:46:49
      The parking garage was malfunctioning.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:57
      Oh, that's right.
    • 00:46:57
      Todd was outside and it was raining and there's this man and his poncho directing all the traffic.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:06
      And we were worried about the lady coming for Richmond.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:10
      And she was like, I can be there tomorrow.
    • 00:47:16
      We're like, we're here now.
    • 00:47:18
      It was like, it was hectic.
    • 00:47:20
      Alright, 9.30, March 22nd.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:23
      So if we do 9.30, the one thing that I would say, just in terms of only having Dawn here from 11.30 to 1, is that we probably should not eat lunch during that time, or if we do eat lunch, we need to do a working lunch to not lose her.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:39
      I think we do the icebreakers and we do the
    • 00:47:41
      you know the the team building stuff this is the way I'm specializing based on previous ones um we do maybe some of the non-mandatory kind of training things that we often do that like that y'all lead um and then we when we start digging into the strategic goals we do that to prioritize our time and I can reach out to her to see like what is what is her vibe for that Saturday um and try to incorporate it as much as possible because it's good to yeah
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:11
      Let's confirm that she can be here during that time.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:16
      If there's something going on that indicates she's maybe not going to be, like she might be less available, I might send out another poll to look at some dates in April.
    • 00:48:25
      I don't know how far we can push this back.
    • 00:48:26
      It is an annual meeting.
    • 00:48:27
      We can kind of do it whenever we want to.
    • 00:48:30
      Give or take a couple of weeks.
    • 00:48:32
      It would be great to have everybody together.
    • 00:48:35
      But I think there's a way we can kind of flex it so that, as you said, we're not doing the insubstantive things while she's here.
    • 00:48:42
      Over to you.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:43
      Also remember you may have new commissioners coming on.
    • 00:48:50
      Hopefully those dates work for them as well.
    • 00:48:53
      That's a great point.
    • 00:48:55
      All right.
    • 00:48:57
      So, but it's good to have date and kind of lock it in.
    • 00:49:01
      And then hopefully those individuals can work around that.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:06
      It does seem we can hold it in the month of March each year.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:13
      I think we should probably stay with March to the best of our abilities.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:18
      Those bring everybody on board.
    • 00:49:20
      There's a lot going on between January and February with getting new commissioners, getting them in, getting them trained.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:28
      And I'm also thinking even if we try to move it to April, we're going to run into the same problem where, right, like where they're going to be.
    • 00:49:35
      It's going to be someone.
    • 00:49:36
      Somebody's going to not, yeah, unfortunately.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:39
      So full of March 22nd right now?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:56
      Yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:57
      Okay.
    • 00:50:27
      I'll take care of that as far as we're playing wise.
    • 00:50:40
      Does anybody have any burning desire to meet on January the 2nd?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:48
      I'm going to celebrate with all of you on Sunday at Ix Park Park.
    • 00:50:55
      Beautiful.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:57
      I will likely not be in town.
    • 00:50:59
      So I would do it if you actually twisted my arm or something going on that day.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:05
      So no one has a burning desire to meet on January the 2nd?
    • 00:51:08
      No.
    • 00:51:09
      Okay.
    • 00:51:11
      I feel like I need to ask to make sure.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:15
      Do you have a burning desire to meet?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:17
      Not by myself.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:19
      Are you done on 12-31?
    • 00:51:24
      No, what's the...
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:51:25
      I think it's in February.
    • 00:51:26
      In February.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:27
      Oh, okay, we get you for two more sessions then.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:30
      Oh, I thought next session was the last one.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:32
      I was like ready to like, I've got like words to share.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:51:36
      No sharing.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:42
      No words tonight.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:51:46
      Okay, good to know.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:48
      It's a little bit, it will be fading.
    • 00:51:54
      So it's fading.
    • 00:51:56
      Got it.
    • 00:51:56
      Yeah, so.
    • 00:51:57
      That's what's next on the agenda.
    • 00:52:03
      All right, so we went on the work plan.
    • 00:52:14
      We confirmed we're not meeting on January 2nd.
    • 00:52:17
      Do we have any new business?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:52:20
      No new business?
    • 00:52:25
      All right.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:52:27
      Matters of public.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:52:30
      If you're in person or virtual, there's no one here in person, but if you're a virtual attendee,
    • 00:52:50
      Again, you may, if you're on the phone, raise your, if you're online, webinar, raise your hand.
    • 00:52:59
      If you're on the phone, attendees use star nine.
    • 00:53:07
      Nope.
    • 00:53:08
      All right.
    • 00:53:09
      Cool.
    • 00:53:11
      Commission updates.
    • 00:53:12
      You guys have anything?
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:14
      I didn't have any new business, but I did want to just share kind of one outlook that we're looking at at the state legislature.
    • 00:53:20
      The governor introduced his budget amendments to the 24 through 26 biennial budget.
    • 00:53:26
      And I think one of the highlight areas of concern is some of the adverse actions that the administration is looking to take towards cities that cooperate, cities that do not cooperate with federal agencies charged with enforcing immigration laws.
    • 00:53:41
      So that's going to be a battle that's going to continue to be fought.
    • 00:53:44
      I think it will not get through the state legislature, but I still think there's going to be a lot of federal pressure on localities, just as kind of what we saw during the first Trump administration.
    • 00:53:55
      So that might be something that we might want to be proactive in engaging city council with to get an idea of, you know,
    • 00:54:04
      what their plans are because we know that at least ACRJ, currently our regional jail, does cooperate with federal law enforcement charged with immigration.
    • 00:54:13
      So I think it's just something that we should engage with city leadership on.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:54:21
      Yeah, I agree.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:54:26
      So that was that was the only thing I had to say.
    • 00:54:28
      There's no new business for me.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:54:29
      That's it.
    • 00:54:31
      I'm glad you said it.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:54:32
      Yeah, that's the same new business that I would have had to.
    • 00:54:39
      I think the moment requires a shift in maybe the focus that we've had to looking at this and just the repercussions that our community members might face.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:54:54
      So thanks for bringing that up.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:54:55
      I really appreciate it.
    • 00:54:59
      Any other new business?
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:02
      I just wanted to bring something up.
    • 00:55:04
      One, I'm reaching back out to Tim Wallace and Emily Dreyfus now because I sent that email the morning after the election.
    • 00:55:14
      I scheduled it.
    • 00:55:14
      So they didn't respond weirdly.
    • 00:55:16
      So it's been about that.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:55:18
      Tim James Jones.
    • 00:55:19
      Oh, he did.
    • 00:55:21
      He's at the Legal Services Corporation of Virginia.
    • 00:55:23
      Oh, interesting.
    • 00:55:24
      Emily's still there.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:25
      Yeah.
    • 00:55:25
      So I'll just send it to Emily then.
    • 00:55:27
      Thank you.
    • 00:55:27
      So I'll bump that in just a second.
    • 00:55:31
      But I also wanted to talk about the last city council meeting.
    • 00:55:35
      I don't know if anyone was able to watch.
    • 00:55:37
      Actually, I saw a post from a local community member who said when Sam Sanders started talking about how they're going to be addressing plans for addressing or helping and housing unhoused folks in our community.
    • 00:55:52
      So I just watched that today.
    • 00:55:56
      And it sounded like, you know, there's a lot of funding, they're allocating the leftover ARPA funding toward that.
    • 00:56:04
      So that's great.
    • 00:56:05
      It sounded like there was a little pushback from the community.
    • 00:56:11
      It sounded, you know, there was like a Seville Tomorrow article that said not here, right, or something like that.
    • 00:56:17
      But you know, one of the speakers kind of voiced this nuance of
    • 00:56:21
      They would rather have the family shelter next to the playground across from, you know, which is effectively very close to Tonster Park.
    • 00:56:29
      They would like to have the family shelter there and then have the Ridge Street be the like low barrier shelter.
    • 00:56:35
      So it's just something to kind of, you know, that's kind of what community members are saying.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:56:40
      And so, you know, a community member said, yes, yes, yes, exactly.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:56:45
      But just kind of hear, you know,
    • 00:56:48
      Keeping an eye on that and just having that be on our radar is the best way to advocate for the greatest number of shelter beds and the best possible response to creating a place for folks.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:57:04
      And I thought Sam Sanders' comments were helpful because he made the point that there is no place that the low barrier shelter can be put.
    • 00:57:17
      That will not have pushback.
    • 00:57:19
      Yeah, absolutely.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:57:23
      So, so, so that's something you know that we, yeah, just to be on our radar and watch how this kind of unfolds.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:57:35
      Did the city council pass the $3 million for the Salvation Army?
    • 00:57:39
      Wasn't that on the docket?
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:57:40
      Yes, so they approved, it's going to, I think they have to have two readings, so it's going to the consent agenda for whatever their January meeting is.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:57:50
      The other thing I'll say about those comments is I think it's important not to necessarily accept the premise of the comments because the biggest danger
    • 00:58:00
      is to the people who are unhoused, right?
    • 00:58:03
      I mean, I know you know that, right?
    • 00:58:05
      I think we need to say it all over and over again, that that is the biggest danger.
    • 00:58:09
      And those folks are here in the community.
    • 00:58:11
      So saying they have the shelter at the park does not mean that they are not at the park anyway.
    • 00:58:17
      So it is not necessarily a danger in the way that it is presented.
    • 00:58:26
      Absolutely.
    • 00:58:26
      And it's important to keep
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:58:29
      Yeah.
    • 00:58:30
      And just being aware of the pushback that could be coming is important for, you know, for how we talk about it and how we talk to counsel about it and things like that.
    • 00:58:39
      Just being aware that, you know, what what they're hearing.
    • 00:58:42
      But it's not clear yet how who they're hearing from.
    • 00:58:46
      So they should probably hear from more people that, you know, just want more shelter.
    • 00:58:52
      And I can just say personally,
    • 00:58:56
      I'm off work for two weeks, but in my day job, it has been a brutal month for community members.
    • 00:59:08
      We have no family shelter, period.
    • 00:59:11
      Hi, you got evicted with your newborn, and you're a three-year-old.
    • 00:59:15
      I have nowhere to send you.
    • 00:59:19
      So it has been just...
    • 00:59:23
      The need in the community just kind of there was one in July because that's when leases are up and people start kind of moving in the community.
    • 00:59:30
      But this December with exacerbated by the weather, it's just it's it's been rough.
    • 00:59:37
      I talked to a lady who is planning to take her kids to social services because she couldn't care for them.
    • 00:59:47
      So, yeah, I was it's just really rough out there.
    • 00:59:50
      So thank you, Catherine, also for that.
    • 00:59:52
      You know, powerful statement.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:59:53
      It's like being unhoused is the dangerous situation.
    • Elizabeth StarkMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:59:58
      So, yeah, so I appreciate the work we do here.
    • 01:00:01
      Sorry, not to be a bummer.
    • 01:00:03
      No, but, you know, honestly, so yeah, but it's this work we're doing is really important.
    • 01:00:11
      And, you know, I wish we could get a family shelter online, like today, like right now.
    • 01:00:17
      Yeah.
    • 01:00:18
      So
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:25
      Anything else?
    • 01:00:32
      Anyone?
    • 01:00:37
      All right.
    • 01:00:38
      7.30, we'll adjourn.
    • 01:00:41
      All right.