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Human Rights Commission Regular Meeting   11/21/2024

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  • 20241121 HRC Meeting Agenda (PDF).pdf
  • 20241121 HRC Meeting Agenda Packet (PDF).pdf
  • 20241121 Approved HRC Regular Meeting Minutes (PDF).pdf
    • SPEAKER_04
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      There you go.
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      It's official.
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      We all got so quiet.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:00:12
      We're all waiting for Ernest's direction.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:00:14
      We became official.
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      We became official.
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      We do.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:00:27
      We do, yeah.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:00:40
      Elizabeth said she couldn't come because it's holiday concert.
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      She did both just approve the letter.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:00:51
      Not approval.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Thank you so much.
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      No Mary tonight this morning.
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      No Mary tonight.
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      She had a work obligation.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:01:45
      Oh, we just now did?
    • 00:01:47
      No, I thought you did.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Elizabeth has a concert.
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      Mary has a work event.
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      Catherine, I'm not sure about it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      She didn't get blown away.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      We do.
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      Let's get rolling.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:02:09
      I think we're ready.
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      And let's make sure that
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      I'm always a little bit, do I have to check in?
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      I think I do.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
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      No judgment.
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      To recording everything you're saying, Todd.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:02:26
      That's great.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:02:27
      Yeah, you know, don't mind people not knowing.
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      I don't know how to run these systems.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      It's already a growing system.
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      You run so much, Todd.
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      It's all good.
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      It happens here.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      I hope everyone's doing okay.
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      And finally your balance after the beginning of the month or some sort, some type of balance.
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      Still dizzy.
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      Still dizzy?
    • SPEAKER_04
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      I hear that.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      All right.
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      The evening, we'll go ahead and call this meeting to order at 6.36 p.m. here on November the 21st of 2024.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      I'll introduce you to our roll call.
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      Catherine?
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Wolfgang?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Catherine?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Dawn?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Suzanne?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:04:17
      Jason?
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      Here.
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      Heather?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Here.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Greaten, Mary, and Elizabeth, because this means we have a couple of other obligations.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Thank you.
    • 00:04:28
      Thank you.
    • 00:04:28
      You're welcome.
    • 00:04:31
      Awesome.
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      So would you please recite our mission together?
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      One, two, three.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Act as a strong advocate to justice and equal opportunity by providing citywide leadership in the area of civil rights.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Awesome.
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      to notice to members of the public, participate virtually if you experience technical difficulties.
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      You may call.
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      434.
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      Pause.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Because that phone is not available this evening.
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      You may call.
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      Can we do it?
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      You got it.
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      434-970-3023.
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      Say it again.
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      434-970-3023.
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      You said the same number twice.
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      I hope I did.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:05:16
      Yeah, you did.
    • 00:05:18
      OK, great.
    • 00:05:19
      OK, cool.
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      Because it was some different artists.
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      I messed up the original numbers, so.
    • 00:05:27
      I see you.
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      Yes, it was some different.
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      All right, cool.
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      We are now at Matters of the Public for in-person attendees.
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      So we do have some in-person people here today.
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      Glad you are here.
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      Do you have anything that you would like to bring to us?
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      No?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:05:52
      There's no obligation to speak.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:05:53
      No, there is no obligation.
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      We are supposed to recognize you and ask.
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      Awesome.
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      So let us approve our minutes from the 10th, 17th, and 2024.
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      and our minutes from 1107, 2024.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Would you like to do them one at a time?
    • 00:06:18
      Yes.
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      Okay.
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      I will go through and do a roll call vote.
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      Ernest?
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      Approve.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:06:27
      Great.
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      Oh, I'm using the wrong number.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:06:29
      Okay, great.
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      Wolfgang?
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Approve.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Kathryn?
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Approve.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_05
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      Yeah, sorry, I'm trying to do two things, which I should not be trying to do.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:06:46
      We're often called to do many things at the same time.
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      Suzanne?
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      Approve.
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      Jason?
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      Abstain.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Heather?
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      Approve.
    • 00:07:00
      And then, can we do it for the second one?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:07:07
      Yes.
    • 00:07:08
      All my letters straight here.
    • 00:07:10
      All right.
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      So meeting minutes for 11-7.
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      And that was a special meeting, right?
    • 00:07:16
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      So let me get that all done.
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      OK. Ernest.
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      Approve.
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      Wolfgang.
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      Approve.
    • 00:07:27
      Mary.
    • 00:07:29
      Kathryn.
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      Approve.
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      Dawn.
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      Approve.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Suzanne.
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      Approve.
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      Jason.
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      Stay.
    • SPEAKER_04
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      Heather.
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      Approve.
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      That's it.
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      So both minutes have passed.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
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      Thank you very much, everyone.
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      All right, tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight.
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      We have chair-based adults.
    • 00:08:01
      Thank you.
    • 00:08:03
      I don't know if anyone can attend the meeting that's happening here tomorrow.
    • 00:08:08
      Yes, here tomorrow.
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      I think at 10 in the morning.
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      10 in the morning.
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      On homelessness.
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      Is it?
    • 00:08:14
      OK.
    • 00:08:15
      I don't know.
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      I saw something that someone posted on Facebook.
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      Let me see.
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      Livable Seabill, 9 o'clock tomorrow morning, hosted by Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the Homeless.
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      This is an event that will highlight the regional strategic plan to end homelessness.
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      I was supposed to start at 8.30, I'm sorry, 9 o'clock tomorrow morning.
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      9 o'clock to 11.30 tomorrow morning.
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      So if anybody can go, probably be a good spot to post up.
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      I don't have anything else that I can think of, just most holiday season.
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      And I do understand that per family members and everything else and the state of affairs in our country,
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      that you may have friends or relatives that you are going to come across that may think a little differently than you.
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      So just be mindful to have a right to hold your peace.
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      And you have a right to take care of yourself.
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      So don't feel that you have to be obligated to
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      be in spaces on things that don't make you or your family feel comfortable.
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      But I'll just say that and go from there, because I know this is, again, this holiday season and everybody wants to be with family, be with family and do things together.
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      But, you know, peace of mind is essential right now.
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      Imbalance as well.
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      So, you know, if you feel like putting up the Christmas decorations, put them up.
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      If you feel like you don't want to put the Christmas decorations right now, don't.
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      You know, I said to anyone, just take care of yourself.
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      It's important.
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      You know, I hope that someone will
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      decided to step up and take lead of the commission in January.
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      I think there's important work to be done.
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      And I think our city manager is doing a great job of trying to make some necessary changes
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      Putting some things forth that could benefit the city and I think our support in helping him or our support would be greatly appreciated knowing that he has some allies in seeing what he's trying to do and hopefully pushing city council to make the necessary changes as well.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:12:20
      Can I ask a question along those lines?
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      I do think it is, and Todd I don't know if you know, but I think it would be really helpful for us to either have a plan as a committee commission and or understand what city manager Sanders needs from us.
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      In terms of support right now, this is to me, I mean, I haven't been here that long, but I'm going to guess one of the boldest recommendations that has been made that might actually pass for a while when it comes to housing and unhoused in this community.
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      And so it feels
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      really important to me and given the focus of this commission what do we need to be doing and I don't know that that means we all need to be at every single city council meeting but do we need one of us at every single council meeting standing up on behalf of the commission and saying that we support his budget like I think it would be really helpful for us to strategically think about that because it would be it would be
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      I think the direction is heading the right way, but it would be awful if, I mean, personally, it would, I think, be terrible if the budget that he is proposing does not pass with regards to all the housing pieces, et cetera.
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      This feels like a critical moment in time for the city and for us as a commission.
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      And we can table that and come back to that at another point in the meeting, but I just want to
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:13:55
      I don't think what we could do is, you know, probe the letter that we want to send, that we can put that in there.
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      How can we support you?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:14:03
      And then it would be helpful, maybe Todd, I don't know if you can get information from Ashley or from Sam directly.
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      Are there things that he needs from an advocacy perspective that we could offer?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      And I think the other thing that went out, and don't want to forget that you do have the ability to reach directly out to the city manager as our chair.
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      to ask questions that are poignant for the commission's work.
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      So you could do that as well.
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      Like you don't have to rely on me to do that unless you want me to be the pastor.
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      I'm happy to do that if that's helpful.
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      But I think that's a good relationship to cultivate and to sort of make that much like we've done with council, like open that line of communication.
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      I think that it'd be valuable for Sam to see that, oh,
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      The chair of the commission might reach out and talk to me sometimes about things so that we can get work done together.
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      So yeah, if you'd like to do that, that would be fine.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:15:02
      Thank you.
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      All right.
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      Staff updates.
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      No staff report.
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      Oh, that would be me.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:15:13
      That would be you.
    • 00:15:16
      We have more guests.
    • 00:15:16
      That's exciting.
    • 00:15:18
      So you have seen probably the big chart on page whatever that is, 17.
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      So things I want to call your attention.
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      So, you know, we've been pursuing the Fair Housing Assistance Program through applied.
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      We, have you looked at this report?
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      I didn't mention it in the special meeting that we had recently, but welcome.
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      We did get a response from HUD.
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      He submitted the ordinance and they said, not yet.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:15:49
      No.
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      No, really?
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      Still more changes?
    • 00:15:52
      Still more changes.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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      Fortunately, minor ones this time.
    • 00:15:55
      OK.
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      So we went back through.
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      They presented a really kind of big PowerPoint about it, which would be really helpful to get.
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      I haven't been able to get that back from them yet, but we took notes.
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      We've already made the changes on November 18th.
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      We met with HUD, and then on November 15th, we started making all the changes.
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      I think I've captured everything, but I really don't want to go through this cycle again.
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      So I'm trying to get their PowerPoint so that we can
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      You know, see exactly anything we missed and make those changes.
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      But they're fairly small.
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      So I think that's a good thing.
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      So, you know, there's some impetus to get this done before the middle of January, because we don't know what policies might change around HUD.
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      And so therefore, I would like to, if I can get a
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      hear from HUD again and make sure that they review it informally.
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      I'd like to get in front of you guys at your meeting on the 19th.
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      Of course, we're still planning to meet on the 19th.
    • 00:17:03
      I can do that.
    • 00:17:04
      OK.
    • 00:17:06
      So.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:17:07
      You just have to go back to council again and add two readings.
    • 00:17:10
      It does.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:17:11
      OK. Now, I don't know if it needs two readings.
    • 00:17:14
      That's a question for city attorney's office.
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      It is an ordinance change, which is kind of a big thing, but it's a minor ordinance change.
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      So maybe they can move it through.
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      But there may just be a rule that says you have to do two reads or ordinance change.
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      I don't know.
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      But anyway, I want to get it right this time.
    • 00:17:31
      Yeah, this is we're so close.
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      It's just I think part of it is.
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      You know, they're always looking at federal law and saying, like, how do we
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      How do we interpret this?
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      And when we try to rearticulate it in an ordinance, they're trying to anticipate barriers to doing the best service possible.
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      And so they saw a few things that they said, we want you to remove this or change this because that could be a potential barrier now or in the future.
    • 00:18:05
      So I appreciate their forward thinking on it.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:18:07
      But when you get it right, they could have been for painting less.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:18:12
      Well, okay.
    • 00:18:13
      And so to her credit, the current director said, you know, there was a there was a staffing change, like she had just come in when we were about to present it again.
    • 00:18:25
      She's like, I think it's good.
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      Go for it.
    • 00:18:27
      And then she said in this meeting, she's like,
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      If I had had more time, I should have given you a more thorough review.
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      We were just trying to get it in through the deadline.
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      So that was very kind of her to say, but yeah.
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      But this time we're getting more rushed, but maybe I do want to not push it through council until I'm absolutely 99.9% sure it's going to go.
    • 00:18:49
      So there's that.
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      Other things to let you know about.
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      That's really the main thing.
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      I noted on our agenda, I think we were supposed to do the rules and procedures.
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      I put it in like an agenda a long time ago for you to look at so that we'd vote on it today.
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      And then we didn't even think about it because it's been like two months since we showed it to you.
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      So maybe we put that on for 1219 as well, just to get that up.
    • 00:19:18
      It's in a past agenda packet.
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      I'll email it to you all again so you can look at it one more time.
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      If you have any other suggestions for changes, I think we're making one very minor change.
    • 00:19:34
      I think it was in the
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      out of the October meeting.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:19:37
      No, we didn't vote on that.
    • 00:19:39
      No, we didn't vote.
    • 00:19:39
      It was in there.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:19:40
      It was in there for you to look at in advance because you have to have it five days in advance per the very rules and procedures upon which you were voting.
    • 00:19:49
      So I gave it to you like two months in advance, and then I forgot about it because I gave it to you early.
    • 00:19:54
      Anyway, there's that.
    • 00:19:56
      More than five days, but no less than.
    • 00:20:00
      I don't, let me see if there's anything in here that Lily might have wanted to highlight.
    • 00:20:04
      I don't know if there's any outreachy stuff.
    • 00:20:07
      Really, the outreach is kind of slowing down a bit.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:20:09
      Yeah, there's no scheduled tabling opportunities.
    • 00:20:11
      There you go.
    • 00:20:12
      Next HRC meeting.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:20:13
      There it is.
    • 00:20:15
      So there you have it.
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      Questions about cases that you see on there.
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      Data.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:20:24
      One question for you.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:20:26
      Sure.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:20:27
      Relevant to
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      last minute, the last minutes.
    • 00:20:36
      I had asked about the budget process and about the best time for us to be able to submit those recommendations to council.
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      And I was curious if you were able to find out more about that.
    • 00:20:52
      And that is fine.
    • 00:20:53
      I could already tell from your face, but you had not.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:20:55
      I've been thinking about making sure that got submitted on time.
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      However, I need to find out.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:21:00
      There are hotter fires.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:21:01
      Go back and reiterate your question for me one more time and I'm going to make sure I follow up.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:21:05
      What is the best time for us to make budgetary recommendations to council so that we can anticipate those when we are including them on our letters?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:21:12
      Yeah.
    • 00:21:13
      Okay.
    • 00:21:14
      And I think, yeah, I can tell you now is a great time.
    • 00:21:19
      Here's what's going on.
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      Internally is all the departments had to submit their budget by the end of October.
    • 00:21:26
      And then we each have to meet with the budget office and city management to basically explain why we asked for what we asked for.
    • 00:21:35
      And so that's happening right now.
    • 00:21:38
      And then
    • 00:21:40
      Prior to that, where all the like big capital improvement project proposals, those come through earlier and then the operating budget.
    • 00:21:46
      And now they're hearing everybody's thing.
    • 00:21:49
      I think we get through that by the end of December, January, then council starts thinking about like other things that aren't like city department related and expenses.
    • 00:21:59
      So like that is kind of like, if we get the letter to them, like within the next month or so, that is the time for them to be seeing and thinking about all this.
    • 00:22:08
      So yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:09
      Thank you for answering my question.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:10
      Yeah, but that is my impression.
    • 00:22:12
      I could ask other professionals to let me know, but that is my impression about how it works, which is why we time our policy recommendation letter the way we do.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:30
      Any other questions for Todd?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:22:34
      Any other questions I've forgotten to ask?
    • 00:22:39
      OK, I guess that's it.
    • 00:22:41
      Lauren, do you have any updates for anybody?
    • 00:22:44
      Call me out.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:22:45
      Hey, Lauren.
    • 00:22:48
      No, I do not at this time.
    • 00:22:49
      Thank you so much.
    • 00:22:51
      Everyone's doing a wonderful job.
    • 00:22:56
      Thank you.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:23:00
      When you submit the budget, does it include
    • 00:23:09
      Good question.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:23:17
      Since we didn't use it, so we have a professional services line item, which is kind of where mediation comes from.
    • 00:23:26
      and sometimes when we use interpretive or translation services comes out of there there's substantial amounts like 15 in there we never max it out so if we wanted to pull from there we could although I think what we kind of talked about last time was we kind of did a pretty good job and we got a system if we want to
    • 00:23:47
      Like let me know we can we can start searching again or just do it the way we did it and come up with a pretty good solid work plan.
    • 00:23:55
      Yeah, we can do that.
    • 00:23:57
      So, but yeah, open to that.
    • 00:23:59
      But we do have some money in there.
    • 00:24:01
      Thanks for that reminder.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:24:17
      We don't have anything else for Todd.
    • 00:24:21
      Officer nomination committee update.
    • 00:24:22
      We don't have anything for you guys.
    • 00:24:26
      But I will be sending you an email.
    • 00:24:33
      And inside the email, we'll ask what are your plans as far as continuing with the commission?
    • 00:24:43
      And if so,
    • 00:24:47
      What are your thoughts on either the position of president or vice president or chair or vice chair?
    • 00:24:56
      So be thinking about that.
    • 00:24:59
      So get that email.
    • 00:25:02
      Please respond back so we know who to make phone calls to.
    • 00:25:14
      All right.
    • 00:25:16
      Anything you have, Kathryn?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:25:20
      No, that was an excellent way to say that you never got to meet people this morning.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:25:27
      I'll take your version over mine.
    • 00:25:30
      And now we all know.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:25:32
      That's been on my mind all day, but I had a full day of school so I couldn't sit in there.
    • 00:25:38
      So it was a busy day today.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:25:44
      We have some time, right?
    • 00:25:45
      We have some time.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:25:47
      But I just want people to ask you to the last minute.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:25:54
      And then you have to stay.
    • 00:25:58
      Mm hmm.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:00
      Oh, yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:01
      That is how the rules work.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:04
      Second, the motion taking a vote.
    • 00:26:12
      I think most places can be out for a certain amount of time.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:26:26
      We're in session.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:34
      Any questions to the nominating committee?
    • 00:26:39
      We're session finalizing the effective right to counsel letter.
    • 00:26:43
      I think we'll go ahead and send out a blurb.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:48
      I just forwarded what Mary directed back in October to us.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:55
      How do you mind pulling that up and sharing your screen?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:58
      I can do that.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:26:59
      I'm not able to pull it up.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:03
      Yep, let me do that.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:04
      I mean, I could just also stare over Jason's arm.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:27:07
      Let's put it up on that big screen.
    • 00:27:09
      Yeah, that'd be great.
    • 00:27:11
      Let me get this all big.
    • 00:27:18
      Which one of the things that I have open is it?
    • 00:27:20
      It's this one, I believe.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:23
      And did we submit the other letter?
    • 00:27:25
      Oh, no, we have to talk about that tonight, too.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:27:28
      Yes, OK. Edit Access.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:27:34
      Do I?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:27:34
      Yeah.
    • 00:27:35
      Looks like you do.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:27:36
      I don't know that I do.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:38
      Does anybody have access?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:50
      Somebody does.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:53
      We think it might be Mary.
    • 00:27:55
      Oh no, Elizabeth was able to get in there.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:27:58
      She had requested edit access like two, three weeks ago.
    • 00:28:00
      I think that's me.
    • 00:28:06
      I can't edit it.
    • 00:28:07
      But I can copy and paste it into a new document.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:28:13
      But I just sent it.
    • 00:28:14
      I just sent the request to the owner.
    • 00:28:16
      Is the owner Mary?
    • 00:28:17
      Mary, yeah.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:28:27
      And I know that part of what you talked about before was doing some outreach to see what agencies could take on that workload, right?
    • 00:28:42
      To see like, what are we advocating for?
    • 00:28:45
      And are you ready for something like that?
    • 00:28:49
      I also kind of wonder, this also would be a good thing to do
    • 00:28:58
      for the chair to sit down with city manager and talk about a little bit.
    • 00:29:06
      Just so you can kind of get a sense of what is the feasibility of, how will we best present this to council?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:29:19
      Do we want to change the wording that Elizabeth has highlighted?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:29:27
      One of the things in the other letter
    • 00:29:41
      to counsel that we talk about.
    • 00:29:42
      We talk about effective right to counsel.
    • 00:29:44
      Right.
    • 00:29:45
      But what we say is there is that we'll be following up with a letter that further underscores our support for providing universal counsel, as well as regional examples where this has been done effectively.
    • 00:29:58
      And I don't think we have those pieces in here yet.
    • 00:30:02
      So I just want to just even in terms of as we think about this, this other sorry, this letter,
    • 00:30:09
      Not the other letter I'm looking at right now.
    • 00:30:11
      What we need to do to get this over the finish line?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:17
      So we need to get the regional data?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:21
      Yeah, and I don't know if we added this thinking, like I don't recall if Marriott said that she knows some regional examples or if anybody else in here had, like there's a reason that we included the regional examples.
    • 00:30:35
      St. Louis, LA, Connecticut, Boulder, Colorado, Baltimore.
    • 00:30:40
      Okay, great, so there's some regional examples.
    • 00:30:46
      And we know
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:48
      We know that those programs are having an impact on those localities.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:30:54
      I'm looking at articles about all of them.
    • 00:30:55
      OK. Philadelphia, Cleveland.
    • 00:30:59
      Do we have any, does Richmond, do we have any in the state of Virginia?
    • 00:31:03
      The report suggests Connecticut's eviction right to counsel program has been successful in diverting and minimizing eviction filings with other states began one year ago.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:31:11
      Wow.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:16
      Connecticut is one of three states and 15 cities nationwide.
    • 00:31:20
      I don't know if it's happening in Virginia.
    • 00:31:22
      I'm looking right now.
    • 00:31:24
      Otherwise, all localities would be allowed to do it.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:28
      And we can do it.
    • 00:31:30
      In 2023, St. Louis was the 22nd jurisdiction in the US to enact such a measure.
    • 00:31:35
      So that's that's a fair amount of localities.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:42
      So how do we add that?
    • 00:31:45
      Well, let me stop.
    • 00:31:48
      Let's do this letter.
    • 00:31:50
      Get this one done.
    • 00:31:51
      And then go back.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:52
      Oh, I thought we were going to include those examples in the slide.
    • 00:31:55
      Yeah, those examples are going to go in this letter.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:31:58
      OK.
    • 00:31:58
      Yes.
    • 00:32:02
      Because we said we were going to add these examples.
    • 00:32:05
      That's right.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:32:07
      OK. What kind of stuff do we want to say about these examples?
    • 00:32:10
      Do we want to say, you know, they
    • 00:32:12
      The eviction rates have gone down because tenants have gotten representation.
    • 00:32:17
      Do we want to say anything about costs or anything about the bills?
    • 00:32:21
      Because I think maybe each bill, right to counsel bill, is a little different.
    • 00:32:27
      Or do you want actual examples?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:32:29
      I would think we don't know enough about the nitty gritty of the bills to say anything.
    • 00:32:42
      I mean, for me, the most important thing is we know when there is a lawyer representing the tenant that the outcomes are much better for the tenant.
    • 00:32:56
      We need huge evaluations of providing lawyers when we already know that that
    • 00:33:04
      That works, right?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:06
      So as long as we can say it's been used successfully in like three places.
    • 00:33:10
      It's been used successfully.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:33:11
      It's been done in dozens of cities around the country.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:16
      Does any of the articles have anything about cost?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:20
      I'll look to see what they say.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:27
      So now if I go to the city manager, he's going to ask about
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:33:33
      I mean that's a fair thing but I also don't think this letter has to do too much on that.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:39
      Well the St. Louis program got money from the American Rescue Plan and it was a little under $100,000.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:49
      That was COVID money, right?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:33:50
      Not even COVID money, though.
    • 00:33:53
      So the New York established their program.
    • 00:33:55
      They did a cost benefit analysis about a right to counsel.
    • 00:33:58
      Actually, it would cost 200 million for a year, and obviously that's New York, but it would save 320 million in terms of costs relating to housing, displaced families, preservation of rent, regulated affordable housing, and then also the cost of unsheltered homelessness as well.
    • 00:34:15
      So obviously that's a great cost-benefit analysis for New York is not Charlottesville.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:20
      But that's a great, very thorough example.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:34:23
      I just don't know how preventing a family from being evicted has to be cost-effective.
    • 00:34:30
      Right?
    • 00:34:30
      Right.
    • 00:34:31
      There's the inherent- But it doesn't seem like a hard argument.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:33
      It doesn't seem like a human balance.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:34:35
      It's a real argument for you.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:36
      Right?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:34:38
      Are you right?
    • 00:34:39
      That's why I don't feel like it urgently needs a whole bunch of complicated numbers because it is,
    • 00:34:46
      I don't think we're talking to people who are going to argue that it would be cheaper to let families live on the streets.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:34:52
      Yeah, our previous letter in 2021 talks about, what's that?
    • 00:34:59
      Oh, I'm sorry.
    • 00:34:59
      Go, please.
    • 00:35:00
      Our previous letter in 21 talks about how much there's, what the appropriation was for legal aid at Justice Center at that point, how many people they could serve.
    • 00:35:10
      And then this says to ensure every low income tenant facing eviction has an attorney,
    • 00:35:15
      City Council says three years ago, three and a half years ago, must commit at least $460,000 to its eviction events program to cover legal aid attorneys and an outreach worker.
    • 00:35:27
      I don't know where we got those numbers from.
    • 00:35:28
      And it says additional funding for a program coordinator or other staff can improve program outcomes.
    • 00:35:34
      So I don't know how deep we want to get versus just this is working in other cities and it's something that Charlottesville should consider.
    • 00:35:45
      in, you know, in our continued housing crisis.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:35:51
      The last-ditch option is if city council can't find the money for it, they could always ask state legislature to run a pilot, Charlottesville.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:36:00
      We have a member who sits on appropriations.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:02
      We are going into a $3 billion surplus here.
    • 00:36:05
      So just a thought.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:08
      It's a great thought.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:09
      We had $500,000 worth of Jefferson School this year, so.
    • 00:36:13
      and then that kind of money is floating around there at the state level.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:17
      Can we add that into the letter or no?
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:19
      I think you'd be more than welcome to, yeah.
    • 00:36:21
      It has the right to ask the legislature for whatever it wants, including money.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:25
      So how soon can we talk to our delegate about something like this?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:30
      I mean, we have.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:31
      I mean, she's available, just reach out.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:36:34
      And also meet Senator Dietz.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:37
      I think Senator Dietz is probably, in circumstance, more pivotal in that conversation because he's vice chair of the Senate Finance Committee.
    • 00:36:47
      But of course, happy realism.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:36:56
      I see some questions for you.
    • 00:36:58
      So, I mean, just kind of thinking about the workflow for the commission.
    • 00:37:01
      So they propose legislative recommendations, what is it, in September.
    • 00:37:06
      I guess they just finalized them recently.
    • 00:37:09
      Yeah, and then council combines them with, I guess, regional, other regional priorities, and then TJPDC brings them to the General Assembly.
    • 00:37:19
      Is there precedent for council
    • 00:37:26
      Coming to the General Assembly outside of that process to ask for something.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:37:30
      Yeah, I mean, because within locality, locality, you see them, they ask for some different things.
    • 00:37:33
      Like Albemarle is asking for some different things that they'll channel through just through their locality instead of through David Glenn at TJPC.
    • 00:37:42
      So I still don't know where to ask.
    • 00:37:47
      OK.
    • 00:37:48
      Awesome.
    • 00:37:48
      So you could include that.
    • 00:37:49
      Again, I mean, the likelihood of getting it, it's not, I mean, I couldn't give you the odds of it, but it's,
    • 00:37:54
      It's possible.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:37:56
      Yeah.
    • 00:37:57
      I recall that they also discussed a potential pilot of rent stabilization program in Charlottesville.
    • 00:38:04
      And that is in their, I think, in their legislative recommendations.
    • 00:38:07
      I believe so.
    • 00:38:08
      Yeah.
    • 00:38:09
      So that's that's a great thanks for bringing that up.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:12
      I mean, I've mentioned it to Deli Paulson as well.
    • 00:38:15
      Just if we can slide a bunch of them in.
    • 00:38:17
      But Senator Dietz would obviously have a little bit more pull in that money sphere than a new delegate would.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:22
      But yeah.
    • 00:38:24
      OK. And Ernest, I know that Lily had brought that up as well as reaching back out to both of them.
    • 00:38:30
      Again, especially as all those councils' legislative priorities get into the mix at the General Assembly, finding out what's the outcome where their sponsors bring these things.
    • 00:38:41
      Well, I can probably answer that honestly.
    • 00:38:43
      You probably know that too.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:44
      Yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:38:45
      Well, let's do this.
    • 00:38:46
      Let's get together email-wise and get with Lily.
    • 00:38:54
      And then what I'll do is formulate something to both of them that will push out what we're thinking that would be nice if we could have the opportunity.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:06
      Yeah, because usually we just have like a number in mind.
    • 00:39:08
      We can slide it in as a budget amendment.
    • 00:39:10
      That doesn't mean it gets in the budget, but let's say come the negotiation time for the budget in the spring, that's when Senator Deeds would have the opportunity to negotiate with the conferees.
    • 00:39:19
      And if there's extra money around, that's for example, how the Jefferson School got money.
    • 00:39:23
      There's extra money that was not committed before so.
    • 00:39:29
      We always end up with a surplus in the state of Virginia.
    • 00:39:33
      Do we?
    • 00:39:33
      It's not a real surplus, but it is a surplus.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:35
      It is a surplus.
    • 00:39:36
      It's not a real surplus.
    • 00:39:37
      It's always a surplus.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:38
      The headlines will tell you it's a surplus, but a lot of that money has been committed to capital projects.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:39:44
      There's a really interesting article, by the way, on ACLU.org about the new report illustrating how right to counsel prevents evictions.
    • 00:39:56
      I don't know how old this is.
    • 00:39:57
      Maybe a year.
    • 00:39:58
      But anyway, it's a couple of years old, but yeah.
    • 00:40:01
      I mean, we know that, but it's got some interesting data in it as well.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:10
      I know y'all can't see what I'm writing, but I'm writing.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:12
      We're trusting you because you always do it so well, Wolfgang.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:18
      So did you, have you shared that with us?
    • 00:40:20
      Do we have access to that?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:21
      Yeah, no, I can share it.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:24
      You can close this one and then open that one if you put it on.
    • 00:40:27
      Sure.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:27
      She had to copy and paste because there was no edit access.
    • 00:40:32
      Y'all should be editors.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:40:45
      Did we already discuss that?
    • 00:40:51
      I'm just looking at places to have right to counsel that it looks
    • 00:40:55
      like Richmond passed a right to counsel bill.
    • 00:40:59
      Do we leave my computer and we'll establish that we know this?
    • 00:41:03
      Okay.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:04
      Well, I'm not sure you said you found it.
    • 00:41:06
      Yeah.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:07
      It just looks like Richmond passed a resolution that supports the right to counsel for tenants facing eviction in September, 2024, but actually don't know if like what kind of money was attached to it.
    • 00:41:20
      So I'll look.
    • 00:41:22
      Let's see what it really consists of.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:34
      I'm highlighting the only new thing I've added, so y'all can see the changes.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:41:42
      It was proposed to 2025 city budget, definitely bounded out.
    • 00:41:50
      to expand available legal services to tenants.
    • 00:41:54
      And that was found on the National Low Income Housing Coalition website.
    • 00:42:02
      So nlihc.org.
    • 00:42:13
      nlihc.org.
    • 00:42:19
      and the state's administration passes resolution to support tenants' access to legal representation and eviction filings.
    • 00:42:25
      And it's the October 21st, 2024 article.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:30
      Okay, you're talking about Richmond?
    • 00:42:36
      Yes.
    • 00:42:36
      Okay, yeah.
    • 00:42:37
      And this is the, they put aside half a million dollars for this pilot program.
    • 00:42:43
      Yes.
    • 00:42:43
      Okay, all right, sorry.
    • 00:42:44
      I might've been reading while you were speaking.
    • 00:42:46
      No, you're fine.
    • 00:42:48
      Sorry.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:42:49
      And they didn't actually know who was going to provide the service.
    • 00:42:53
      So they kind of didn't have everything mapped out.
    • 00:42:55
      It just said, you know, look, the problem is so bad.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:42:59
      We know it's so bad that we're just going to pass it and figure it out.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:02
      Exactly.
    • 00:43:03
      Pass it and figure it out.
    • 00:43:04
      We don't have to know everything about it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:09
      The funding will go to Central Virginia Legal Aid Society to support one new housing per legal.
    • 00:43:17
      and three new housing attorneys.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:21
      So that's an interesting observation because I think that the last meeting, what you discussed was specifically talking to LAJC about this because CVLAS had some limitations around income, but Richmond actually sounds like they allotted it to CVLAS specifically.
    • 00:43:40
      That's interesting, just like two different populations being served perhaps, but
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:43:52
      New Legal Aid members will grant free legal resources to an estimated 450 tenant families facing eviction in the next year.
    • 00:44:15
      It's exciting.
    • 00:44:16
      It is exciting.
    • 00:44:17
      So I mean, it's right here in our backyard.
    • 00:44:19
      Yep.
    • 00:44:20
      So it can work.
    • 00:44:24
      At least someone's trying to see if it'll work, so I'm gonna see why we hopefully can't either.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:44:41
      It's also interesting to think that, you know, I don't know if this is causal or what the right term is, but
    • 00:44:48
      I wonder, I hope we don't need to go down this path, but I do wonder about cities and places that have right to council, if that is impacting
    • 00:44:57
      The way landlords think about things like knowing that there are more people who are paying attention to what is happening in terms of who's being evicted, et cetera.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:08
      Is that like, is there a positive, I don't know that, I don't know that we have data on that, but is there a positive impact on that?
    • 00:45:15
      I'm nodding because the thing I just read about Pennsylvania's cost benefit analysis found that not only would it decrease evictions and save money,
    • 00:45:24
      but it would also lead to about a five percent annual decline in eviction filings so that would indicate yes.
    • 00:45:41
      I think some of the programs are so new that it's hard to look at the tangible points and supposed to be anticipated things.
    • 00:45:50
      But I mean, getting that information from somewhere.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:45:55
      Yeah, it has been relevant before, since it already happened.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:45:58
      Yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:46:18
      So they're talking about in Boulder, this article.
    • 00:46:34
      So I'm going to talk about, for example, after RTC was passed in 2020 through an ordinance, 63% of those in the cases of border eviction
    • 00:46:46
      resulting in a 26% increase in the number of cases that avoided eviction.
    • 00:47:06
      Did you get the updated one?
    • 00:47:10
      It's up?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:11
      Yep.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:12
      Awesome.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:47:13
      I don't know how much more we want to add.
    • 00:47:24
      I mean, one of the things that's interesting in here and even is even the for me.
    • 00:47:36
      So you like we talk about it in terms of a racial
    • 00:47:42
      Justice issue in here.
    • 00:47:44
      They also talk about it in terms of gender justice, economic justice, and children's rights issues.
    • 00:47:50
      And I don't know how much we want to go down all those paths, but all of the, like there's so many pieces that, as we all know, play into what eviction actually means for people.
    • 00:48:03
      Or do we just leave it?
    • 00:48:06
      It's shorter, better.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:07
      But it is all those issues.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:08
      That's what I'm saying.
    • 00:48:09
      It's a gender,
    • 00:48:11
      gender justice, it's a children's rights issue, right?
    • 00:48:14
      Like I'm saying, it's all of those.
    • 00:48:15
      We pull out right now the racial justice.
    • 00:48:19
      And that might be, that might be, I don't know that we need to go any further.
    • 00:48:26
      But it is all of those things, right?
    • 00:48:28
      Like it's
    • 00:48:39
      It's impacting a number of underrepresented groups.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:52
      So how do we, because I agree.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:48:57
      It's just this issue disproportionately affects people of color and women.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:01
      And thus, I don't know.
    • 00:49:06
      But not just that though.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:49:09
      That's the letter I'm looking at, right?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:49:13
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:49:14
      In particular, Black women.
    • 00:49:15
      Right.
    • 00:49:16
      It is very specifically an intersectional issue of Black women disproportionately, right?
    • 00:49:23
      And it says that there.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:30
      I think we might have what we need.
    • 00:49:36
      I don't know if we should say anything about children.
    • 00:49:42
      So eviction is a gender justice issue, a racial justice issue, an economic justice issue, a children's rights issue, and a civil liberties issue.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:49:57
      This is kind of the summary of the article.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:00
      And I don't know how many children are impacted, right?
    • 00:50:03
      Like, we don't know how many children are impacted by evictions in the city, but...
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:50:10
      There are.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:11
      Oh, I know.
    • 00:50:11
      I said, I just don't know.
    • 00:50:13
      We don't know how many.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:14
      Actually, if you scroll up, we do talk about... Do we?
    • 00:50:18
      ...families in particular.
    • 00:50:20
      Okay.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:50:21
      Yeah, it makes sense.
    • 00:50:22
      That's an economic consequence for families.
    • 00:50:25
      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:50:26
      I'll make this up for you.
    • 00:50:28
      Yeah, please.
    • 00:50:29
      And children and mothers, yeah.
    • 00:50:31
      Let me see if I can find anything.
    • 00:50:41
      I don't know if they have anything shared.
    • 00:50:48
      What about some of the people who have learning disabilities or who
    • 00:50:58
      Emotional disabilities who also can be easy to take advantage up to, which you may not understand by policies works.
    • 00:51:04
      That's also a big issue.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:09
      Vulnerable categories.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:14
      Families with children are twice as likely to receive an eviction filing as opposed to adults without children.
    • 00:51:23
      It's 5% and 10%, but still.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:51:28
      Susan, I like what you stated from that article in the summary.
    • 00:51:44
      I don't think it's too harsh.
    • 00:51:52
      I think it's the reality.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:52:08
      Did you have a number there, T?
    • 00:52:20
      Did you see twice as likely?
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:52:35
      Did you get it?
    • 00:52:38
      Okay.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:52:41
      We don't always just edit letters, but these are often just letters.
    • 00:52:50
      These are very important.
    • 00:52:52
      These are very important.
    • 00:52:54
      Yes.
    • 00:52:54
      Let's go into city council.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:52:55
      We're not going to screw up this letter.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:53:01
      No, no, no.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:12
      This is a new thing.
    • 00:53:15
      Great.
    • 00:53:16
      Not great that children aren't getting evicted, but.
    • 00:53:24
      OK, Suzanne, did you want to add the sentences that you found about talking about this as a justice issue?
    • 00:53:31
      Yes.
    • 00:53:32
      And calling out different facts.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:53:35
      Yes.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:35
      If you read that out to me, I can.
    • 00:53:38
      A clock at a clock.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:40
      OK, I'm going to let you clap.
    • 00:53:42
      Well, so it is we would be quoting from ACLU.org, so we're going to need to figure that piece out.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:53:49
      Well, yeah.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:53
      It's probably the it's probably the clue it might be the closing of the letter.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:53:59
      Yeah, if you look at this.
    • 00:54:04
      So you've got like, okay, nationally, 90% of landlords are represented by legal counsel and evictions.
    • 00:54:09
      And then the next sentence, we start talking about the categories, we start talking about, you know, in particular, black women.
    • 00:54:17
      And then we go back to having a lawyer changes matters dramatically for tenants.
    • 00:54:21
      Like if we took that having a lawyer changes matters dramatically for tenants and put that after that first sentence of the previous paragraph,
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:54:33
      You know?
    • 00:54:34
      Like those seem kind of like they go together.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:54:36
      And then you have a paragraph where like, Suzanne can talk about all of like, all of the different, you know, groups with social vulnerabilities, social economic vulnerabilities who are affected.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:54:50
      Does that make sense?
    • 00:54:51
      Something?
    • 00:55:07
      Alright, that's the element.
    • 00:55:10
      And we get rid of a sentence in there.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:20
      I'm highlighting a space after the sentence, highlighting that sentence.
    • 00:55:26
      That might be a good space for the ACLU quote.
    • 00:55:29
      This issue disproportionately affects people of color and thus be considered urgent matter.
    • 00:55:34
      This is a
    • 00:55:36
      This is a justice issue for this group, this group, this group, this group.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:44
      I feel like you might have just deleted something that I'm not sure if you meant to.
    • 00:55:49
      Oh, wait, no, I see what you did.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:50
      Because having a lawyer change dramatically for tenants is basically repeating that last sentence, but that one was longer.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:55:56
      OK, so I just didn't want you to lose something inadvertently.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:56:00
      OK.
    • 00:56:03
      So where is the quote that you were quoting from?
    • 00:56:06
      Me?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:56:07
      Yeah.
    • 00:56:09
      Do you want me to just send it to you?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:56:11
      Sure.
    • 00:56:13
      I'm like hanging out in these, you'll use right to counsel.
    • 00:56:15
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:56:16
      Page, but not seeing the...
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:56:31
      It's on its way right now.
    • 00:56:35
      I can start saying it to you if you want to.
    • 00:56:36
      Or it should be.
    • 00:56:39
      It's going to be what I just sent to you.
    • 00:56:41
      It's the last paragraph.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:57:12
      Yeah, that's great.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:57:14
      Let's plagiarize that.
    • 00:57:15
      No.
    • 00:57:19
      Everything you teach has told you.
    • 00:57:20
      Sorry, Ernest.
    • 00:57:27
      It feels like a good conclusion.
    • 00:57:28
      I think I should go at the end.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:57:30
      Yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:57:31
      All right.
    • 00:57:33
      Let's rewrite it a little bit.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:57:46
      Leo Sterling, and Maria Marciaga.
    • 00:58:20
      We can try to rewrite it so there's a quote version
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:59:23
      And then once we're done with this letter, we should take a look at the other letter and make sure that one feels good to go.
    • 00:59:33
      That one, I think the last question was just, was what we had in the letter aligned with what Sam said at the city council meeting?
    • 00:59:42
      It was.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:59:52
      All right.
    • 00:59:52
      I rewrote it.
    • 00:59:55
      What do you think?
    • 00:59:56
      Could you pull it?
    • 00:59:58
      I don't know.
    • 00:59:58
      I'm not.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:59:59
      Me?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 00:59:59
      Oh, who's sharing?
    • 01:00:00
      Oh, yeah.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:01
      Pull it.
    • 01:00:01
      Which direction?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:03
      I don't know.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:03
      Scroll down.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:05
      Is that down?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:08
      Yeah.
    • 01:00:08
      Keep going down.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:09
      This way?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:10
      Yep.
    • 01:00:10
      Same direction.
    • 01:00:11
      Oh, there you go.
    • 01:00:11
      The bottom.
    • 01:00:11
      It's the bottom of the letter.
    • 01:00:12
      There you go.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:00:13
      There you go.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:16
      I don't know if this would be helpful, but I just got edit permission from Mary.
    • 01:00:20
      Oh.
    • 01:00:21
      I requested it.
    • 01:00:24
      implementing whatever you did into the doc, you know, to do that.
    • 01:00:28
      It's, we're done, right?
    • 01:00:29
      Totally rewritten.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:30
      Yeah, yeah, it should just be this, yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:32
      They.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:33
      Yeah, the, the.
    • 01:00:37
      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
    • 01:00:38
      These add, they don't need to be below here.
    • 01:00:41
      To combine them?
    • 01:00:41
      No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, combine, no.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:00:46
      No, they don't need to be below.
    • 01:00:47
      I can, so right now it's set up as footnotes.
    • 01:00:49
      Okay.
    • 01:00:50
      And all the citations are in the first part of the letter.
    • 01:00:53
      Okay.
    • 01:00:54
      We can make it like a work cited if you want it at the end.
    • 01:01:00
      I can also, I also like to hyperlink instead of having footnotes.
    • 01:01:08
      Can we do that in a PDF and still have it be accessible?
    • 01:01:11
      And I've done that before and it hasn't been, it's been, we had to change some stuff, but I can't remember if the hyperlinks were the problem or not.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:01:20
      If you have the right Adobe software, it depends on how it's saved, right?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:01:30
      But for ADA.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:01:31
      Yeah, ADA compliance.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:01:34
      Got it.
    • 01:01:35
      That's a good question.
    • 01:01:35
      I'm just going to do that because citations are good because then screen reader can see those for sure.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:01:42
      PDF document is properly exported.
    • 01:01:45
      The links in the document should be active and accessible.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:01:51
      Maybe Accessible.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:02:10
      Not all these are actually hyperlinks, I'm realizing.
    • 01:02:14
      Some of them are just like Mary cited her expertise.
    • 01:02:19
      Well, not herself, but Mary cited like books that she's read on right to counsel.
    • 01:02:24
      Okay, so it's a mix.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:02:33
      Funky like that.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:02:45
      I just feel so academic.
    • 01:02:59
      No, it feels like grade school.
    • 01:03:01
      It feels like I'm writing a paper and I'm in middle school.
    • 01:03:06
      That's my actual name.
    • 01:03:09
      So maybe it's not references, but I want to have the references tied to the
    • 01:03:16
      Eh.
    • 01:03:18
      I'll do a mix of hyperlinks and footnotes.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:03:22
      It'll be fine.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:03:24
      So we probably still want Mary to read through this, right?
    • 01:03:27
      Oh, yes.
    • 01:03:28
      Before we, yeah.
    • 01:03:31
      So can we vote on this at the 19th, the December 19th meeting?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:03:35
      Can we just vote on it?
    • 01:03:38
      Oh.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:03:39
      Like, we can just vote on it, I think.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:03:41
      Okay, yeah.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:03:42
      I think it's pretty common.
    • 01:03:44
      It's easy in concept to understand.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:03:46
      We fully agree with the direction.
    • 01:03:52
      If any minor changes are made, great.
    • 01:03:56
      I don't think we've changed the tone of her letter.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:04:03
      I don't think we've changed the tone of her letter and she drafted it already.
    • 01:04:06
      So I don't think we would be offending Mary if he voted on it in its current form.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:04:13
      Yep.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:04:33
      Right now all I'm doing is updating hyperlinks.
    • 01:04:36
      So y'all can keep doing some stuff.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:04:41
      Todd, are you able to pull up the other one, the draft of the city recs draft one?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:04:49
      Do you want to keep this one up still or pull up the other?
    • 01:05:04
      Let's put up the other.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:05:07
      They've been there, my pronouns, not she.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:05:18
      The link to, let me see if I can find that one.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:05:26
      You had worked on the previous letter as well, correct?
    • 01:05:31
      Okay.
    • 01:05:32
      Yeah, there was one that was called Bump Bump.
    • 01:05:38
      Yeah, I can't remember that.
    • 01:05:39
      I'll find that.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:05:40
      No worries.
    • 01:05:40
      There it is.
    • 01:05:49
      Yeah.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:06:01
      Yep, that's it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:06:30
      What changes do we need to make here?
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:06:32
      So I'll just name the housing.
    • 01:06:34
      So we talked about this at the last meeting, and the main change that was made, need to elaborate, but the main change that was made was
    • 01:06:49
      What you see in the second paragraph, rather than encouraging them to do the right, like the last letter was more like, please do these things.
    • 01:06:57
      This was thank you so much.
    • 01:07:00
      And we support, you know, we support, we encourage city council to support and pass a budget that includes all the housing recommendations and then we just
    • 01:07:09
      use the information below and have kept them.
    • 01:07:13
      We've just changed it so it's more in terms of we affirm rather than we recommend.
    • 01:07:21
      So we are affirming the equitable and low barrier year-round shelter, which we talked about last time, the effective right to counsel, and then the supports for homelessness.
    • 01:07:31
      And the main outstanding question from the last meeting was, like I said, was what we had in the letter what Sam had laid out?
    • 01:07:44
      And these are, and I think several of us have since watched the video, and these are all correct.
    • 01:07:51
      So we went through this pretty thoroughly last time.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:07:53
      So we just need to take out the edits.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:07:59
      Yep.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:00
      And... Yeah, I think... Make them a part of the letter and go.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:04
      I can clean it up and then send it, Ernest, to you and Todd.
    • 01:08:08
      Okay.
    • 01:08:09
      Okay.
    • 01:08:10
      I'll do that.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:12
      So we don't need to do anything else to this one other than what was added.
    • 01:08:18
      Right.
    • 01:08:18
      We just wanted a fact check.
    • 01:08:20
      No.
    • 01:08:22
      Cool, thank you, Susan.
    • 01:08:26
      And I'll get that to Todd.
    • 01:08:28
      So you can put that on.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:29
      Yep, because that one has to go before the other one.
    • 01:08:32
      Yeah, this one has to go.
    • 01:08:33
      Yep, yep.
    • 01:08:34
      So we'll get this out quickly.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:38
      By removing, by making hyperlinks, we got it all on one page.
    • 01:08:42
      Very nice.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:45
      Great, okay, I'll do that tomorrow morning or tonight.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:08:48
      Which one, the great council one?
    • 01:08:51
      That's right, and then it changes.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:55
      Let me have my delusions.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:08:58
      Let me have this.
    • 01:08:59
      The city's letterhead is way too big.
    • 01:09:03
      With its big banner.
    • 01:09:05
      Yeah, we're talking about conserving paper.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:09
      Getting everything on one page.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:12
      The question about the right to cancel letter, it says in April.
    • 01:09:15
      We wrote to you in support of an effort to provide universal counsel to tenants.
    • 01:09:19
      Did we do that?
    • 01:09:20
      I don't remember that.
    • 01:09:20
      What was that?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:21
      I don't know, but I thought it sounded a little
    • 01:09:26
      like a little frustrated like we sort of opened with a frustrated tone in April and again in August like that's when I I write that when I'm a little irritated I haven't come back but I didn't know if maybe that's the tone you wanted to strike.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:40
      Can we send something in April?
    • 01:09:43
      I was wondering it was April of 2021.
    • 01:09:44
      I wonder if it's an old yeah if it's an old part of that.
    • 01:09:48
      I'm just gonna say in August 2020 that's the last time we sent them a letter about this.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:53
      Was 2020 August of 2020?
    • 01:09:56
      Yeah.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:09:56
      So we probably can't share frustration if it's been three years since we've said anything.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:01
      It's not like we've been... Every month, come on!
    • 01:10:05
      I'm happy you brought that up.
    • 01:10:06
      It was only three years ago.
    • 01:10:07
      I mean, it's as follows, we were pleased that at the time City Council recognized this was an important means.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:12
      Okay.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:13
      However, it was COVID-19.
    • 01:10:15
      Yes, sir.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:15
      Do you still want this one out?
    • 01:10:17
      Are we done with that one?
    • 01:10:18
      Yeah, we're done with that one.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:19
      I'll clean it up and yeah.
    • 01:10:21
      Let's clean it up, let's set it up.
    • 01:10:22
      Oh, we need to update the date for the vote, though, because we said we unanimously voted, and we did vote it last time.
    • 01:10:27
      We did vote it.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:10:28
      We voted it during the special meeting.
    • 01:10:30
      Yes.
    • 01:10:31
      We don't have to re-vote.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:32
      Yep.
    • 01:10:34
      So now we just need to look at the right to counsel.
    • 01:10:37
      Right to counsel that Wolfgang has.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:39
      It's pretty cleaned up.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:41
      Can we pull that back up again?
    • 01:10:42
      Yes, please.
    • 01:10:43
      And then we can vote on that one as well.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:10:46
      OK. We can move on.
    • 01:10:47
      Oh, let me site our letter from the last time, because it should be on our website.
    • 01:11:01
      and obviously the starting of new councillors.
    • 01:11:34
      Where do we find the resolutions that we've previously submitted?
    • 01:11:46
      Human Rights Commission.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:11:47
      Oh, on the website?
    • 01:11:49
      Yeah.
    • 01:11:49
      Did you find it?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:11:51
      Ordinance subpage.
    • 01:11:52
      No, I haven't found it.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:11:53
      Commission subpage and just scroll down.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:11:55
      It's just a big list.
    • 01:11:58
      Thank you.
    • 01:11:59
      Yeah.
    • 01:12:00
      Did it make sense what I said?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:12:01
      Yeah, it did.
    • 01:12:10
      Oh, he actually wrote two letters to council, one in April of 2021 and one in August of 2021.
    • 01:12:16
      Okay.
    • 01:12:18
      There we are.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:12:20
      It's been a minute.
    • 01:12:23
      Mary.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:12:24
      Oh, actually, Mary was a 2021 letter.
    • 01:12:28
      She should have been April too.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:12:42
      Let me know if I need to scroll anything.
    • 01:13:09
      Just citations from there.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:13:17
      Wolfgang, is there a period at the end of Invest in Affordable Housing eviction?
    • 01:13:26
      Is there a period there?
    • 01:13:27
      Okay, I can't see it, okay.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:13:31
      Yep, I think there's like a period, yeah.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:13:34
      Okay.
    • 01:13:36
      Yeah.
    • 01:13:37
      Cursor is there.
    • 01:13:46
      Yeah, that's one.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:14:28
      Kathryn, you're so like...
    • 01:14:35
      It's ridiculous, isn't it?
    • 01:14:38
      I really dislike it, but I'm...
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:14:41
      It's like after Ph.D. and RN, I didn't even realize what the rest of them meant.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:14:45
      If they did, believe me, it would not be my choice to have that.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:14:51
      There are reasons I have to get it.
    • 01:14:56
      Thanks for sending me the meeting.
    • 01:14:59
      Budget Development Calendar.
    • 01:15:02
      Super helpful.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:15:07
      Okay, I think I've made all the changes I want to make to this.
    • 01:15:12
      I am happy with it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:15:14
      Thank you for them.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:15:15
      Thank you Wolfgang.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:15:16
      Clack of the Clack.
    • 01:15:17
      Clack of the Clack.
    • 01:15:18
      Notations, annotations, mutations.
    • 01:15:23
      Is everybody have a chance to look at that letter?
    • 01:15:35
      It feel okay if we were to vote on it tonight that we want that letter to, once we send it to Mary and she look at it, that we will go ahead and send both
    • 01:15:53
      We will send the first letter about agreeing and city council supporting the city manager's efforts and then send those right after.
    • 01:16:15
      Are we sending this letter to city council or are we sending this letter to city council and city manager?
    • 01:16:22
      or are we sending a letter just to city manager?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:16:31
      I believe you send it to council at Charlottesville.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:16:35
      That goes to everybody anyway.
    • 01:16:39
      City manager as well.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:16:41
      City manager.
    • 01:16:42
      Yes.
    • 01:16:42
      Other staff too.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:16:45
      Gotcha.
    • 01:16:51
      If everybody's comfortable and will want to go ahead and vote on the, write the council letter.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:00
      Right.
    • 01:17:02
      Ernest?
    • 01:17:03
      Yes.
    • 01:17:04
      Okay.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:17:05
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:07
      Kathryn?
    • 01:17:08
      Yep.
    • 01:17:08
      Dawn?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:17:09
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:10
      Suzanne?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:17:11
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:12
      Jason?
    • 01:17:12
      Yes.
    • 01:17:13
      Heather?
    • 01:17:14
      Yes.
    • 01:17:16
      That's it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:17:18
      Thank you, everyone.
    • 01:17:19
      I know that was like kind of
    • 01:17:22
      A little tedious situation there, but we got it done.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:17:28
      Got it done.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:17:29
      Got it done.
    • 01:17:29
      So that's what work sessions are for.
    • 01:17:35
      If we are done with both of those, are we good with both of those letters so we can move on?
    • 01:17:49
      Okay.
    • 01:17:49
      Confirmation of work session on 12-5.
    • 01:17:53
      Do we need that time?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:17:56
      I will not be here.
    • 01:17:58
      Just lift your hands up.
    • 01:18:00
      So if that affects your decision.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:18:04
      I don't think we have any work.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:18:07
      No.
    • 01:18:07
      I mean, all the stuff that we need to do is probably much email.
    • 01:18:11
      And we don't need to, I mean, especially anything we're doing with committee nominations and things like that, you know, we don't need to be face to face for that, that I can think of.
    • 01:18:23
      So I'm suggesting that we do not meet on 12-5.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:18:31
      I'm all for removing things from calendars in December, especially if there's not a purpose.
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:18:43
      I will need to
    • 01:18:44
      Um, participate virtually on December 19th.
    • 01:18:47
      So hopefully that's okay.
    • 01:18:49
      Yeah.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:18:49
      I mean, I'll, I'll fill out all of this stuff, but if you can participate virtually.
    • 01:19:01
      Awesome.
    • 01:19:01
      Thank you.
    • 01:19:02
      Uh, so right now, no meeting on 12-5.
    • 01:19:08
      Okay.
    • 01:19:09
      Uh, do we need to go over the work plan?
    • 01:19:14
      I skipped over that, sorry.
    • 01:19:21
      So we are in November 21st.
    • 01:19:27
      We did not do the rules and procedures.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:19:32
      We're going to do that on the 19th.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:19:33
      We'll do that on the 19th.
    • 01:19:35
      So if Todd, you can pull it up.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:19:38
      There it goes.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:19:40
      There we go.
    • 01:19:41
      That's the right one.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:19:43
      Sometimes when you try to share your screen, you're like, which document is it?
    • 01:19:47
      There we go.
    • 01:19:54
      That's the one.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:19:56
      So we can move the work plan, the rules and procedures to reflect the new election timeframe, can move that down to the 19th.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:20:19
      There's something else we're going to move to the 19th, wasn't there?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:20:22
      Potentially a review of the ordinance.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:20:24
      Oh, right.
    • 01:20:25
      Yep.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:20:28
      We get that far.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:20:31
      We have faith in you.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:20:34
      I'm sure it's Todd who needs to face it.
    • 01:20:36
      I know.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:20:37
      I know.
    • 01:20:38
      I'm so sad that it's not Todd.
    • 01:20:41
      It's OK.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:20:41
      It's a journey.
    • 01:20:43
      We're going to get there.
    • 01:20:43
      It just needs to be right.
    • 01:20:45
      That's the deal.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:20:51
      regular meeting 116, that's elections, right?
    • 01:21:05
      We should maybe put that on there.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:16
      Are you going to hold a work session on the 2nd of January?
    • 01:21:20
      I'm going to say no.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:23
      I'm going to totally agree.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:28
      Do I have it on the second?
    • 01:21:29
      Have it on the first.
    • 01:21:30
      Bring in the new year.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:21:31
      The 31st.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:33
      How about at eight in the morning?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:36
      I would not do that to you.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:39
      Start the new year, right?
    • Heather Roberson GastonMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:40
      I sound like people who have actual New Year's plans.
    • 01:21:42
      I'm like...
    • 01:21:43
      I need to go to bed by 10.
    • 01:21:44
      Yeah, exactly.
    • 01:21:45
      It's really just like... Fair, fair, fair.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:21:49
      So for actions between meetings in November, the nomination committee will send out.
    • 01:21:54
      I do love it as a holiday.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:21:55
      But I think, yes, OK. Maybe in DC next year there will be a proper one.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:04
      We will.
    • 01:22:07
      We will.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:07
      We've got to call for nominations.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:22:10
      Yes.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:22:12
      I have much faith in you.
    • 01:22:19
      Ernest, and just a heads up, we put this on here.
    • 01:22:23
      I don't even know what that looks like exactly.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:22:28
      Yeah, keep it there.
    • 01:22:29
      OK. Keep it there.
    • 01:22:30
      Yeah, I just want to make sure.
    • 01:22:31
      I got you.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:22:32
      It's a hard one.
    • 01:22:32
      It's one of those ones that we put in there, and it's like, oh, it's an easy one.
    • 01:22:37
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:39
      Great.
    • 01:22:42
      Anything else on this?
    • 01:22:44
      I don't think so.
    • 01:22:46
      Sure.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:46
      All right.
    • 01:22:48
      Thanks.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:22:49
      Oh, Todd, I'd also maybe suggest in January that 16th, like I know we start the planning for the work session in February, but it could be good in January to just start nailing dates for the work session because it's on a Saturday and yeah.
    • 01:23:04
      Oh, fair.
    • 01:23:05
      Yeah.
    • 01:23:07
      Yes.
    • 01:23:07
      Sorry for the retreat.
    • 01:23:09
      Usually in March.
    • 01:23:11
      It's usually in March, but the first weekend, first and second weekend of March.
    • 01:23:15
      I just like to do that.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:17
      That sounds good.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:19
      I don't have a wildly packed social calendar, but I also like to know like which Saturdays I need to vlog.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:24
      It could be really hard for if it's like nine people to find a common Saturday and post them.
    • 01:23:29
      True.
    • Suzanne LynnMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:29
      It is.
    • 01:23:31
      Even in January it might be.
    • 01:23:32
      Yeah.
    • 01:23:32
      Yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:34
      Yeah.
    • 01:23:34
      Last year we did like a Doodle poll to see when people were free.
    • 01:23:38
      Would that work again this year?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:23:41
      Okay.
    • 01:23:42
      I can do that.
    • 01:23:47
      I got you.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:53
      So maybe in December you're going to set up the Doodle Bowl?
    • 01:23:56
      Yeah, we'll do that.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:57
      In December?
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:23:59
      Just like, I don't know.
    • 01:24:00
      Before?
    • 01:24:01
      Yeah.
    • 01:24:02
      Sometime before the next meeting.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:04
      So I guess we need to put that as an action.
    • 01:24:07
      Action.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:08
      Say Wolfgang, I'll do it.
    • 01:24:20
      Does the Office of Human Rights have any events that are happening on Saturdays as you track any weekends that are bad for y'all too?
    • 01:24:28
      I mean, I'll include y'all in April, but... Oh, in March?
    • 01:24:30
      Yeah, in March.
    • 01:24:32
      There were like some things that were like... What was there?
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:36
      There was something.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:37
      There was something.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:39
      Yeah.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:39
      Or it was like something where we could meet, but the location wasn't available.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:24:45
      Not on Saturdays.
    • 01:24:46
      Yeah, so it's all the March stuff was about, so it's the Thursday, it was going to conflict with our regular meeting, but we didn't hold the regular, we're not going to hold the regular meeting, so it's a non-issue.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:25:10
      Any other questions, anything else that we need to add to the work plan?
    • 01:25:17
      No, no, no, you don't need to put it back on.
    • 01:25:23
      I just need to make sure I ask.
    • 01:25:26
      All right.
    • 01:25:32
      So do we have any new business?
    • 01:25:37
      I think we've already added anything we needed to to the work plan.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:25:43
      I don't think so.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:25:49
      I know that one thing, well, I'll just food for thought.
    • 01:25:56
      I sat in an hour and a half meeting about parliamentary procedures today.
    • 01:26:00
      It was interesting to hear.
    • 01:26:06
      Was this Murray or Robert?
    • 01:26:08
      What I wanted to bring to you is that, Mary Martha, I know we used, we intensively used Martha's rules when we were doing the vote on whether or not to hold a public hearing, which I think was inappropriate.
    • 01:26:27
      What I did hear take away from this hour and a half training today was that
    • 01:26:33
      You know, all of that stuff just exists for you to help facilitate getting work done and none of the pieces of it are required.
    • 01:26:44
      And so it's a matter of like, do you clearly know what your decision was?
    • 01:26:48
      Did you have a decision making process?
    • 01:26:50
      And was everyone heard?
    • 01:26:52
      And so it was it was helpful to hear that and go, okay, I don't do anything.
    • 01:26:57
      Because I thought when I heard the training was coming up, I was like, oh, they're gonna try to push us all back to Roberts and want to get all formal.
    • 01:27:03
      But that's not what they said.
    • 01:27:04
      They said, it's kind of my whole job.
    • 01:27:06
      Use what you need out of it.
    • 01:27:09
      Leave what you don't.
    • 01:27:11
      So we're in good shape.
    • 01:27:12
      So in any case, just a point, I think we can use the process variably as long as it's always equitable and gets the work done.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:27:23
      Great.
    • 01:27:24
      There you go.
    • Todd NiemeierOffice of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:27:25
      I was going to say, we're going to have to go back to Robert's.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:27:27
      No, I didn't.
    • 01:27:29
      Yes.
    • 01:27:30
      Robert says,
    • 01:27:31
      That, I think, is the important point, just about getting the work done.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:27:34
      Yes.
    • 01:27:37
      That's good to know.
    • 01:27:37
      We'll carry that with me, because I think that's the important part, is getting the work done.
    • 01:27:43
      I know that there are some that are so connected to Robert's Rules and things like that, so parliamentary procedures.
    • 01:27:51
      Jefferson's manual is my favorite.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:27:55
      Jefferson's manual.
    • 01:27:56
      That was his parliamentary guidebook from Virginia's oldest lecture.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:28:16
      That is a matter.
    • 01:28:20
      Public comment, if you are
    • 01:28:25
      For my webinar and your attendance, use the raise hand function.
    • 01:28:29
      If you're on my phone, attendees, use star nine.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:28:35
      There's one attendee.
    • 01:28:37
      No raise hands.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:28:42
      Still no raise hands?
    • 01:28:44
      Nope.
    • 01:28:47
      All right.
    • 01:28:49
      Mission updates.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:28:55
      Well, I have one.
    • 01:28:56
      Yes.
    • 01:28:57
      There is a meeting this Saturday at the public library for people who want to think about how to stay engaged moving forward.
    • 01:29:05
      11 o'clock at the library.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:29:09
      Is this, I saw those, okay.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:29:13
      We use the indivisible list and it is indivisible inspired, affiliated, but it is not.
    • 01:29:21
      It's a lot of things.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:29:23
      What time and where?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:29:25
      in the Swanson Room at the Central Library, 11th.
    • 01:29:34
      Worth fighting for.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:29:38
      This is kind of further out and not so Charlottesville-centric, but it's regional.
    • 01:29:44
      In Culpeper, the Circuit Court is doing an event to commemorate three lynchings, and they're going to be having a criminal motions docket to kind of reverse
    • 01:29:54
      and rectify the wrongdoings of that.
    • 01:29:58
      I'm gonna say the 19th.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 01:30:01
      In Culpeper?
    • 01:30:03
      Yes.
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:30:04
      Which to me is kind of worth the drive.
    • 01:30:06
      It's the 16th at 330 of the Culpeper circuit court.
    • Wolfgang KeppleyVice Chair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:30:17
      What's the event called?
    • Jason MelendezMember, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:30:22
      Really just a criminal motions docket for Allie Thompson, William Thompson, and William Grayson.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:30:41
      Anything else?
    • 01:30:43
      No other commission updates?
    • 01:30:47
      All right.
    • 01:30:49
      So we have our next steps.
    • 01:30:50
      So we'll be getting in contact with you guys.
    • 01:30:54
      Please ask an email.
    • 01:30:55
      And then per email, we'll be making phone calls.
    • 01:30:59
      And then we'll get those letters out, get them on Letterhead, get those out to Council and City Manager.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:31:16
      And I think that's it.
    • Ernest ChambersChair, Human Rights Commission
    • 01:31:18
      If you have anything that comes up, meetings or anything that comes up, please get the information out to us.
    • 01:31:25
      If you hear anything, see anything, okay?
    • 01:31:29
      All right, again, enjoy the holiday season.
    • 01:31:33
      Take care of yourself and your loved ones.
    • 01:31:37
      And this meeting is adjourned at 8.04.