Central Virginia
City of Charlottesville
Human Rights Commission Regular Meeting 11/21/2024
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Human Rights Commission Regular Meeting
11/21/2024
Attachments
20241121 HRC Meeting Agenda (PDF).pdf
20241121 HRC Meeting Agenda Packet (PDF).pdf
20241121 Approved HRC Regular Meeting Minutes (PDF).pdf
SPEAKER_04
00:00:02
There you go.
00:00:04
It's official.
00:00:05
We all got so quiet.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:00:12
We're all waiting for Ernest's direction.
SPEAKER_04
00:00:14
We became official.
00:00:15
We became official.
00:00:25
We do.
SPEAKER_05
00:00:27
We do, yeah.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:00:40
Elizabeth said she couldn't come because it's holiday concert.
00:00:48
She did both just approve the letter.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:00:51
Not approval.
SPEAKER_04
00:00:56
Thank you so much.
00:01:13
No Mary tonight this morning.
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No Mary tonight.
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She had a work obligation.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:01:45
Oh, we just now did?
00:01:47
No, I thought you did.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:01:50
Elizabeth has a concert.
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Mary has a work event.
00:01:55
Catherine, I'm not sure about it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:01:57
She didn't get blown away.
SPEAKER_04
00:02:04
We do.
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Let's get rolling.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:02:09
I think we're ready.
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And let's make sure that
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I'm always a little bit, do I have to check in?
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I think I do.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:02:23
No judgment.
00:02:24
To recording everything you're saying, Todd.
SPEAKER_04
00:02:26
That's great.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:02:27
Yeah, you know, don't mind people not knowing.
00:02:30
I don't know how to run these systems.
SPEAKER_04
00:02:32
It's already a growing system.
00:02:36
You run so much, Todd.
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It's all good.
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It happens here.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:02:52
I hope everyone's doing okay.
00:03:06
And finally your balance after the beginning of the month or some sort, some type of balance.
00:03:15
Still dizzy.
00:03:16
Still dizzy?
SPEAKER_04
00:03:22
I hear that.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:03:50
All right.
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The evening, we'll go ahead and call this meeting to order at 6.36 p.m. here on November the 21st of 2024.
SPEAKER_04
00:04:03
I'll introduce you to our roll call.
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Catherine?
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Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:11
Wolfgang?
SPEAKER_05
00:04:11
Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:12
Catherine?
SPEAKER_05
00:04:13
Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:14
Dawn?
SPEAKER_05
00:04:15
Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:15
Suzanne?
SPEAKER_05
00:04:16
Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:17
Jason?
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Here.
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Heather?
SPEAKER_05
00:04:19
Here.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:20
Greaten, Mary, and Elizabeth, because this means we have a couple of other obligations.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:04:27
Thank you.
00:04:28
Thank you.
00:04:28
You're welcome.
00:04:31
Awesome.
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So would you please recite our mission together?
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One, two, three.
SPEAKER_04
00:04:37
Act as a strong advocate to justice and equal opportunity by providing citywide leadership in the area of civil rights.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:04:46
Awesome.
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to notice to members of the public, participate virtually if you experience technical difficulties.
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You may call.
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434.
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Pause.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:04:58
Because that phone is not available this evening.
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You may call.
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Can we do it?
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You got it.
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434-970-3023.
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Say it again.
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434-970-3023.
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You said the same number twice.
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I hope I did.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:05:16
Yeah, you did.
00:05:18
OK, great.
00:05:19
OK, cool.
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Because it was some different artists.
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I messed up the original numbers, so.
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I see you.
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Yes, it was some different.
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All right, cool.
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We are now at Matters of the Public for in-person attendees.
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So we do have some in-person people here today.
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Glad you are here.
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Do you have anything that you would like to bring to us?
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No?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:05:52
There's no obligation to speak.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:05:53
No, there is no obligation.
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We are supposed to recognize you and ask.
00:06:00
Awesome.
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So let us approve our minutes from the 10th, 17th, and 2024.
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and our minutes from 1107, 2024.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:06:13
Would you like to do them one at a time?
00:06:18
Yes.
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Okay.
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I will go through and do a roll call vote.
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Ernest?
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Approve.
SPEAKER_04
00:06:27
Great.
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Oh, I'm using the wrong number.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:06:29
Okay, great.
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Wolfgang?
SPEAKER_04
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Approve.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:06:33
Kathryn?
SPEAKER_05
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Approve.
SPEAKER_04
00:06:38
Okay.
SPEAKER_05
00:06:38
Yeah, sorry, I'm trying to do two things, which I should not be trying to do.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:06:46
We're often called to do many things at the same time.
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Suzanne?
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Approve.
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Jason?
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Abstain.
SPEAKER_04
00:06:59
Heather?
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Approve.
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And then, can we do it for the second one?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:07:07
Yes.
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All my letters straight here.
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All right.
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So meeting minutes for 11-7.
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And that was a special meeting, right?
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Yes.
SPEAKER_04
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So let me get that all done.
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OK. Ernest.
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Approve.
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Wolfgang.
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Approve.
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Mary.
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Kathryn.
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Approve.
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Dawn.
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Approve.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:07:32
Suzanne.
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Approve.
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Jason.
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Stay.
SPEAKER_04
00:07:36
Heather.
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Approve.
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That's it.
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So both minutes have passed.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:07:46
Thank you very much, everyone.
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All right, tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight.
00:07:56
We have chair-based adults.
00:08:01
Thank you.
00:08:03
I don't know if anyone can attend the meeting that's happening here tomorrow.
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Yes, here tomorrow.
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I think at 10 in the morning.
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10 in the morning.
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On homelessness.
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Is it?
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OK.
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I don't know.
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I saw something that someone posted on Facebook.
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Let me see.
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Livable Seabill, 9 o'clock tomorrow morning, hosted by Blue Ridge Area Coalition for the Homeless.
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This is an event that will highlight the regional strategic plan to end homelessness.
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I was supposed to start at 8.30, I'm sorry, 9 o'clock tomorrow morning.
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9 o'clock to 11.30 tomorrow morning.
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So if anybody can go, probably be a good spot to post up.
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I don't have anything else that I can think of, just most holiday season.
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And I do understand that per family members and everything else and the state of affairs in our country,
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that you may have friends or relatives that you are going to come across that may think a little differently than you.
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So just be mindful to have a right to hold your peace.
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And you have a right to take care of yourself.
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So don't feel that you have to be obligated to
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be in spaces on things that don't make you or your family feel comfortable.
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But I'll just say that and go from there, because I know this is, again, this holiday season and everybody wants to be with family, be with family and do things together.
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But, you know, peace of mind is essential right now.
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Imbalance as well.
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So, you know, if you feel like putting up the Christmas decorations, put them up.
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If you feel like you don't want to put the Christmas decorations right now, don't.
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You know, I said to anyone, just take care of yourself.
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It's important.
00:11:18
You know, I hope that someone will
00:11:22
decided to step up and take lead of the commission in January.
00:11:36
I think there's important work to be done.
00:11:39
And I think our city manager is doing a great job of trying to make some necessary changes
00:11:52
Putting some things forth that could benefit the city and I think our support in helping him or our support would be greatly appreciated knowing that he has some allies in seeing what he's trying to do and hopefully pushing city council to make the necessary changes as well.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:12:20
Can I ask a question along those lines?
00:12:23
I do think it is, and Todd I don't know if you know, but I think it would be really helpful for us to either have a plan as a committee commission and or understand what city manager Sanders needs from us.
00:12:40
In terms of support right now, this is to me, I mean, I haven't been here that long, but I'm going to guess one of the boldest recommendations that has been made that might actually pass for a while when it comes to housing and unhoused in this community.
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And so it feels
00:13:00
really important to me and given the focus of this commission what do we need to be doing and I don't know that that means we all need to be at every single city council meeting but do we need one of us at every single council meeting standing up on behalf of the commission and saying that we support his budget like I think it would be really helpful for us to strategically think about that because it would be it would be
00:13:26
I think the direction is heading the right way, but it would be awful if, I mean, personally, it would, I think, be terrible if the budget that he is proposing does not pass with regards to all the housing pieces, et cetera.
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This feels like a critical moment in time for the city and for us as a commission.
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And we can table that and come back to that at another point in the meeting, but I just want to
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:13:55
I don't think what we could do is, you know, probe the letter that we want to send, that we can put that in there.
00:14:01
How can we support you?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:03
And then it would be helpful, maybe Todd, I don't know if you can get information from Ashley or from Sam directly.
00:14:09
Are there things that he needs from an advocacy perspective that we could offer?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:14:14
And I think the other thing that went out, and don't want to forget that you do have the ability to reach directly out to the city manager as our chair.
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to ask questions that are poignant for the commission's work.
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So you could do that as well.
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Like you don't have to rely on me to do that unless you want me to be the pastor.
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I'm happy to do that if that's helpful.
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But I think that's a good relationship to cultivate and to sort of make that much like we've done with council, like open that line of communication.
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I think that it'd be valuable for Sam to see that, oh,
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The chair of the commission might reach out and talk to me sometimes about things so that we can get work done together.
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So yeah, if you'd like to do that, that would be fine.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:15:02
Thank you.
00:15:05
All right.
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Staff updates.
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No staff report.
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Oh, that would be me.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:15:13
That would be you.
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We have more guests.
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That's exciting.
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So you have seen probably the big chart on page whatever that is, 17.
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So things I want to call your attention.
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So, you know, we've been pursuing the Fair Housing Assistance Program through applied.
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We, have you looked at this report?
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I didn't mention it in the special meeting that we had recently, but welcome.
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We did get a response from HUD.
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He submitted the ordinance and they said, not yet.
SPEAKER_04
00:15:49
No.
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No, really?
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Still more changes?
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Still more changes.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:15:53
Fortunately, minor ones this time.
00:15:55
OK.
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So we went back through.
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They presented a really kind of big PowerPoint about it, which would be really helpful to get.
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I haven't been able to get that back from them yet, but we took notes.
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We've already made the changes on November 18th.
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We met with HUD, and then on November 15th, we started making all the changes.
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I think I've captured everything, but I really don't want to go through this cycle again.
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So I'm trying to get their PowerPoint so that we can
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You know, see exactly anything we missed and make those changes.
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But they're fairly small.
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So I think that's a good thing.
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So, you know, there's some impetus to get this done before the middle of January, because we don't know what policies might change around HUD.
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And so therefore, I would like to, if I can get a
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hear from HUD again and make sure that they review it informally.
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I'd like to get in front of you guys at your meeting on the 19th.
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Of course, we're still planning to meet on the 19th.
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I can do that.
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OK.
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So.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:17:07
You just have to go back to council again and add two readings.
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It does.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:17:11
OK. Now, I don't know if it needs two readings.
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That's a question for city attorney's office.
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It is an ordinance change, which is kind of a big thing, but it's a minor ordinance change.
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So maybe they can move it through.
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But there may just be a rule that says you have to do two reads or ordinance change.
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I don't know.
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But anyway, I want to get it right this time.
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Yeah, this is we're so close.
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It's just I think part of it is.
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You know, they're always looking at federal law and saying, like, how do we
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How do we interpret this?
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And when we try to rearticulate it in an ordinance, they're trying to anticipate barriers to doing the best service possible.
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And so they saw a few things that they said, we want you to remove this or change this because that could be a potential barrier now or in the future.
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So I appreciate their forward thinking on it.
SPEAKER_05
00:18:07
But when you get it right, they could have been for painting less.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:18:12
Well, okay.
00:18:13
And so to her credit, the current director said, you know, there was a there was a staffing change, like she had just come in when we were about to present it again.
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She's like, I think it's good.
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Go for it.
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And then she said in this meeting, she's like,
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If I had had more time, I should have given you a more thorough review.
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We were just trying to get it in through the deadline.
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So that was very kind of her to say, but yeah.
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But this time we're getting more rushed, but maybe I do want to not push it through council until I'm absolutely 99.9% sure it's going to go.
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So there's that.
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Other things to let you know about.
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That's really the main thing.
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I noted on our agenda, I think we were supposed to do the rules and procedures.
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I put it in like an agenda a long time ago for you to look at so that we'd vote on it today.
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And then we didn't even think about it because it's been like two months since we showed it to you.
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So maybe we put that on for 1219 as well, just to get that up.
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It's in a past agenda packet.
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I'll email it to you all again so you can look at it one more time.
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If you have any other suggestions for changes, I think we're making one very minor change.
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I think it was in the
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out of the October meeting.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:19:37
No, we didn't vote on that.
00:19:39
No, we didn't vote.
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It was in there.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:19:40
It was in there for you to look at in advance because you have to have it five days in advance per the very rules and procedures upon which you were voting.
00:19:49
So I gave it to you like two months in advance, and then I forgot about it because I gave it to you early.
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Anyway, there's that.
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More than five days, but no less than.
00:20:00
I don't, let me see if there's anything in here that Lily might have wanted to highlight.
00:20:04
I don't know if there's any outreachy stuff.
00:20:07
Really, the outreach is kind of slowing down a bit.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:20:09
Yeah, there's no scheduled tabling opportunities.
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There you go.
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Next HRC meeting.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:20:13
There it is.
00:20:15
So there you have it.
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Questions about cases that you see on there.
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Data.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:20:24
One question for you.
SPEAKER_04
00:20:26
Sure.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:20:27
Relevant to
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last minute, the last minutes.
00:20:36
I had asked about the budget process and about the best time for us to be able to submit those recommendations to council.
00:20:48
And I was curious if you were able to find out more about that.
00:20:52
And that is fine.
00:20:53
I could already tell from your face, but you had not.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:20:55
I've been thinking about making sure that got submitted on time.
00:20:58
However, I need to find out.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:21:00
There are hotter fires.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:21:01
Go back and reiterate your question for me one more time and I'm going to make sure I follow up.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:21:05
What is the best time for us to make budgetary recommendations to council so that we can anticipate those when we are including them on our letters?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:21:12
Yeah.
00:21:13
Okay.
00:21:14
And I think, yeah, I can tell you now is a great time.
00:21:19
Here's what's going on.
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Internally is all the departments had to submit their budget by the end of October.
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And then we each have to meet with the budget office and city management to basically explain why we asked for what we asked for.
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And so that's happening right now.
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And then
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Prior to that, where all the like big capital improvement project proposals, those come through earlier and then the operating budget.
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And now they're hearing everybody's thing.
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I think we get through that by the end of December, January, then council starts thinking about like other things that aren't like city department related and expenses.
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So like that is kind of like, if we get the letter to them, like within the next month or so, that is the time for them to be seeing and thinking about all this.
00:22:08
So yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:22:09
Thank you for answering my question.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:22:10
Yeah, but that is my impression.
00:22:12
I could ask other professionals to let me know, but that is my impression about how it works, which is why we time our policy recommendation letter the way we do.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:22:30
Any other questions for Todd?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:22:34
Any other questions I've forgotten to ask?
00:22:39
OK, I guess that's it.
00:22:41
Lauren, do you have any updates for anybody?
00:22:44
Call me out.
SPEAKER_05
00:22:45
Hey, Lauren.
00:22:48
No, I do not at this time.
00:22:49
Thank you so much.
00:22:51
Everyone's doing a wonderful job.
00:22:56
Thank you.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:23:00
When you submit the budget, does it include
00:23:09
Good question.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:23:17
Since we didn't use it, so we have a professional services line item, which is kind of where mediation comes from.
00:23:26
and sometimes when we use interpretive or translation services comes out of there there's substantial amounts like 15 in there we never max it out so if we wanted to pull from there we could although I think what we kind of talked about last time was we kind of did a pretty good job and we got a system if we want to
00:23:47
Like let me know we can we can start searching again or just do it the way we did it and come up with a pretty good solid work plan.
00:23:55
Yeah, we can do that.
00:23:57
So, but yeah, open to that.
00:23:59
But we do have some money in there.
00:24:01
Thanks for that reminder.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:24:17
We don't have anything else for Todd.
00:24:21
Officer nomination committee update.
00:24:22
We don't have anything for you guys.
00:24:26
But I will be sending you an email.
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And inside the email, we'll ask what are your plans as far as continuing with the commission?
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And if so,
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What are your thoughts on either the position of president or vice president or chair or vice chair?
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So be thinking about that.
00:24:59
So get that email.
00:25:02
Please respond back so we know who to make phone calls to.
00:25:14
All right.
00:25:16
Anything you have, Kathryn?
SPEAKER_05
00:25:20
No, that was an excellent way to say that you never got to meet people this morning.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:25:27
I'll take your version over mine.
00:25:30
And now we all know.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:25:32
That's been on my mind all day, but I had a full day of school so I couldn't sit in there.
00:25:38
So it was a busy day today.
SPEAKER_05
00:25:44
We have some time, right?
00:25:45
We have some time.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:25:47
But I just want people to ask you to the last minute.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:25:54
And then you have to stay.
00:25:58
Mm hmm.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:00
Oh, yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:01
That is how the rules work.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:04
Second, the motion taking a vote.
00:26:12
I think most places can be out for a certain amount of time.
SPEAKER_04
00:26:26
We're in session.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:34
Any questions to the nominating committee?
00:26:39
We're session finalizing the effective right to counsel letter.
00:26:43
I think we'll go ahead and send out a blurb.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:48
I just forwarded what Mary directed back in October to us.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:55
How do you mind pulling that up and sharing your screen?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:26:58
I can do that.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:59
I'm not able to pull it up.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:27:03
Yep, let me do that.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:04
I mean, I could just also stare over Jason's arm.
SPEAKER_04
00:27:07
Let's put it up on that big screen.
00:27:09
Yeah, that'd be great.
00:27:11
Let me get this all big.
00:27:18
Which one of the things that I have open is it?
00:27:20
It's this one, I believe.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:23
And did we submit the other letter?
00:27:25
Oh, no, we have to talk about that tonight, too.
SPEAKER_05
00:27:28
Yes, OK. Edit Access.
SPEAKER_04
00:27:34
Do I?
SPEAKER_05
00:27:34
Yeah.
00:27:35
Looks like you do.
SPEAKER_04
00:27:36
I don't know that I do.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:38
Does anybody have access?
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:50
Somebody does.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:53
We think it might be Mary.
00:27:55
Oh no, Elizabeth was able to get in there.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:58
She had requested edit access like two, three weeks ago.
00:28:00
I think that's me.
00:28:06
I can't edit it.
00:28:07
But I can copy and paste it into a new document.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:28:13
But I just sent it.
00:28:14
I just sent the request to the owner.
00:28:16
Is the owner Mary?
00:28:17
Mary, yeah.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:28:27
And I know that part of what you talked about before was doing some outreach to see what agencies could take on that workload, right?
00:28:42
To see like, what are we advocating for?
00:28:45
And are you ready for something like that?
00:28:49
I also kind of wonder, this also would be a good thing to do
00:28:58
for the chair to sit down with city manager and talk about a little bit.
00:29:06
Just so you can kind of get a sense of what is the feasibility of, how will we best present this to council?
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:29:19
Do we want to change the wording that Elizabeth has highlighted?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:29:27
One of the things in the other letter
00:29:41
to counsel that we talk about.
00:29:42
We talk about effective right to counsel.
00:29:44
Right.
00:29:45
But what we say is there is that we'll be following up with a letter that further underscores our support for providing universal counsel, as well as regional examples where this has been done effectively.
00:29:58
And I don't think we have those pieces in here yet.
00:30:02
So I just want to just even in terms of as we think about this, this other sorry, this letter,
00:30:09
Not the other letter I'm looking at right now.
00:30:11
What we need to do to get this over the finish line?
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:30:17
So we need to get the regional data?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:21
Yeah, and I don't know if we added this thinking, like I don't recall if Marriott said that she knows some regional examples or if anybody else in here had, like there's a reason that we included the regional examples.
00:30:35
St. Louis, LA, Connecticut, Boulder, Colorado, Baltimore.
00:30:40
Okay, great, so there's some regional examples.
00:30:46
And we know
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:48
We know that those programs are having an impact on those localities.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:30:54
I'm looking at articles about all of them.
00:30:55
OK. Philadelphia, Cleveland.
00:30:59
Do we have any, does Richmond, do we have any in the state of Virginia?
00:31:03
The report suggests Connecticut's eviction right to counsel program has been successful in diverting and minimizing eviction filings with other states began one year ago.
SPEAKER_04
00:31:11
Wow.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:31:16
Connecticut is one of three states and 15 cities nationwide.
00:31:20
I don't know if it's happening in Virginia.
00:31:22
I'm looking right now.
00:31:24
Otherwise, all localities would be allowed to do it.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:31:28
And we can do it.
00:31:30
In 2023, St. Louis was the 22nd jurisdiction in the US to enact such a measure.
00:31:35
So that's that's a fair amount of localities.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:31:42
So how do we add that?
00:31:45
Well, let me stop.
00:31:48
Let's do this letter.
00:31:50
Get this one done.
00:31:51
And then go back.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:31:52
Oh, I thought we were going to include those examples in the slide.
00:31:55
Yeah, those examples are going to go in this letter.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:31:58
OK.
00:31:58
Yes.
00:32:02
Because we said we were going to add these examples.
00:32:05
That's right.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:32:07
OK. What kind of stuff do we want to say about these examples?
00:32:10
Do we want to say, you know, they
00:32:12
The eviction rates have gone down because tenants have gotten representation.
00:32:17
Do we want to say anything about costs or anything about the bills?
00:32:21
Because I think maybe each bill, right to counsel bill, is a little different.
00:32:27
Or do you want actual examples?
SPEAKER_05
00:32:29
I would think we don't know enough about the nitty gritty of the bills to say anything.
00:32:42
I mean, for me, the most important thing is we know when there is a lawyer representing the tenant that the outcomes are much better for the tenant.
00:32:56
We need huge evaluations of providing lawyers when we already know that that
00:33:04
That works, right?
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:06
So as long as we can say it's been used successfully in like three places.
00:33:10
It's been used successfully.
SPEAKER_05
00:33:11
It's been done in dozens of cities around the country.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:33:16
Does any of the articles have anything about cost?
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:20
I'll look to see what they say.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:33:27
So now if I go to the city manager, he's going to ask about
SPEAKER_05
00:33:33
I mean that's a fair thing but I also don't think this letter has to do too much on that.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:39
Well the St. Louis program got money from the American Rescue Plan and it was a little under $100,000.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:49
That was COVID money, right?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:33:50
Not even COVID money, though.
00:33:53
So the New York established their program.
00:33:55
They did a cost benefit analysis about a right to counsel.
00:33:58
Actually, it would cost 200 million for a year, and obviously that's New York, but it would save 320 million in terms of costs relating to housing, displaced families, preservation of rent, regulated affordable housing, and then also the cost of unsheltered homelessness as well.
00:34:15
So obviously that's a great cost-benefit analysis for New York is not Charlottesville.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:34:20
But that's a great, very thorough example.
SPEAKER_05
00:34:23
I just don't know how preventing a family from being evicted has to be cost-effective.
00:34:30
Right?
00:34:30
Right.
00:34:31
There's the inherent- But it doesn't seem like a hard argument.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:34:33
It doesn't seem like a human balance.
SPEAKER_04
00:34:35
It's a real argument for you.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:34:36
Right?
SPEAKER_05
00:34:38
Are you right?
00:34:39
That's why I don't feel like it urgently needs a whole bunch of complicated numbers because it is,
00:34:46
I don't think we're talking to people who are going to argue that it would be cheaper to let families live on the streets.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:34:52
Yeah, our previous letter in 2021 talks about, what's that?
00:34:59
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:34:59
Go, please.
00:35:00
Our previous letter in 21 talks about how much there's, what the appropriation was for legal aid at Justice Center at that point, how many people they could serve.
00:35:10
And then this says to ensure every low income tenant facing eviction has an attorney,
00:35:15
City Council says three years ago, three and a half years ago, must commit at least $460,000 to its eviction events program to cover legal aid attorneys and an outreach worker.
00:35:27
I don't know where we got those numbers from.
00:35:28
And it says additional funding for a program coordinator or other staff can improve program outcomes.
00:35:34
So I don't know how deep we want to get versus just this is working in other cities and it's something that Charlottesville should consider.
00:35:45
in, you know, in our continued housing crisis.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:35:51
The last-ditch option is if city council can't find the money for it, they could always ask state legislature to run a pilot, Charlottesville.
SPEAKER_05
00:36:00
We have a member who sits on appropriations.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:02
We are going into a $3 billion surplus here.
00:36:05
So just a thought.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:36:08
It's a great thought.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:09
We had $500,000 worth of Jefferson School this year, so.
00:36:13
and then that kind of money is floating around there at the state level.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:17
Can we add that into the letter or no?
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:19
I think you'd be more than welcome to, yeah.
00:36:21
It has the right to ask the legislature for whatever it wants, including money.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:36:25
So how soon can we talk to our delegate about something like this?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:30
I mean, we have.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:36:31
I mean, she's available, just reach out.
SPEAKER_05
00:36:34
And also meet Senator Dietz.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:36:37
I think Senator Dietz is probably, in circumstance, more pivotal in that conversation because he's vice chair of the Senate Finance Committee.
00:36:47
But of course, happy realism.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:36:56
I see some questions for you.
00:36:58
So, I mean, just kind of thinking about the workflow for the commission.
00:37:01
So they propose legislative recommendations, what is it, in September.
00:37:06
I guess they just finalized them recently.
00:37:09
Yeah, and then council combines them with, I guess, regional, other regional priorities, and then TJPDC brings them to the General Assembly.
00:37:19
Is there precedent for council
00:37:26
Coming to the General Assembly outside of that process to ask for something.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:37:30
Yeah, I mean, because within locality, locality, you see them, they ask for some different things.
00:37:33
Like Albemarle is asking for some different things that they'll channel through just through their locality instead of through David Glenn at TJPC.
00:37:42
So I still don't know where to ask.
00:37:47
OK.
00:37:48
Awesome.
00:37:48
So you could include that.
00:37:49
Again, I mean, the likelihood of getting it, it's not, I mean, I couldn't give you the odds of it, but it's,
00:37:54
It's possible.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:37:56
Yeah.
00:37:57
I recall that they also discussed a potential pilot of rent stabilization program in Charlottesville.
00:38:04
And that is in their, I think, in their legislative recommendations.
00:38:07
I believe so.
00:38:08
Yeah.
00:38:09
So that's that's a great thanks for bringing that up.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:38:12
I mean, I've mentioned it to Deli Paulson as well.
00:38:15
Just if we can slide a bunch of them in.
00:38:17
But Senator Dietz would obviously have a little bit more pull in that money sphere than a new delegate would.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:38:22
But yeah.
00:38:24
OK. And Ernest, I know that Lily had brought that up as well as reaching back out to both of them.
00:38:30
Again, especially as all those councils' legislative priorities get into the mix at the General Assembly, finding out what's the outcome where their sponsors bring these things.
00:38:41
Well, I can probably answer that honestly.
00:38:43
You probably know that too.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:38:44
Yeah.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:38:45
Well, let's do this.
00:38:46
Let's get together email-wise and get with Lily.
00:38:54
And then what I'll do is formulate something to both of them that will push out what we're thinking that would be nice if we could have the opportunity.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:39:06
Yeah, because usually we just have like a number in mind.
00:39:08
We can slide it in as a budget amendment.
00:39:10
That doesn't mean it gets in the budget, but let's say come the negotiation time for the budget in the spring, that's when Senator Deeds would have the opportunity to negotiate with the conferees.
00:39:19
And if there's extra money around, that's for example, how the Jefferson School got money.
00:39:23
There's extra money that was not committed before so.
00:39:29
We always end up with a surplus in the state of Virginia.
00:39:33
Do we?
00:39:33
It's not a real surplus, but it is a surplus.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:39:35
It is a surplus.
00:39:36
It's not a real surplus.
00:39:37
It's always a surplus.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:39:38
The headlines will tell you it's a surplus, but a lot of that money has been committed to capital projects.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:39:44
There's a really interesting article, by the way, on ACLU.org about the new report illustrating how right to counsel prevents evictions.
00:39:56
I don't know how old this is.
00:39:57
Maybe a year.
00:39:58
But anyway, it's a couple of years old, but yeah.
00:40:01
I mean, we know that, but it's got some interesting data in it as well.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:40:10
I know y'all can't see what I'm writing, but I'm writing.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:40:12
We're trusting you because you always do it so well, Wolfgang.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:40:18
So did you, have you shared that with us?
00:40:20
Do we have access to that?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:40:21
Yeah, no, I can share it.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:40:24
You can close this one and then open that one if you put it on.
00:40:27
Sure.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:40:27
She had to copy and paste because there was no edit access.
00:40:32
Y'all should be editors.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:40:45
Did we already discuss that?
00:40:51
I'm just looking at places to have right to counsel that it looks
00:40:55
like Richmond passed a right to counsel bill.
00:40:59
Do we leave my computer and we'll establish that we know this?
00:41:03
Okay.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:41:04
Well, I'm not sure you said you found it.
00:41:06
Yeah.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:41:07
It just looks like Richmond passed a resolution that supports the right to counsel for tenants facing eviction in September, 2024, but actually don't know if like what kind of money was attached to it.
00:41:20
So I'll look.
00:41:22
Let's see what it really consists of.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:41:34
I'm highlighting the only new thing I've added, so y'all can see the changes.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:41:42
It was proposed to 2025 city budget, definitely bounded out.
00:41:50
to expand available legal services to tenants.
00:41:54
And that was found on the National Low Income Housing Coalition website.
00:42:02
So nlihc.org.
00:42:13
nlihc.org.
00:42:19
and the state's administration passes resolution to support tenants' access to legal representation and eviction filings.
00:42:25
And it's the October 21st, 2024 article.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:42:30
Okay, you're talking about Richmond?
00:42:36
Yes.
00:42:36
Okay, yeah.
00:42:37
And this is the, they put aside half a million dollars for this pilot program.
00:42:43
Yes.
00:42:43
Okay, all right, sorry.
00:42:44
I might've been reading while you were speaking.
00:42:46
No, you're fine.
00:42:48
Sorry.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:42:49
And they didn't actually know who was going to provide the service.
00:42:53
So they kind of didn't have everything mapped out.
00:42:55
It just said, you know, look, the problem is so bad.
SPEAKER_05
00:42:59
We know it's so bad that we're just going to pass it and figure it out.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:43:02
Exactly.
00:43:03
Pass it and figure it out.
00:43:04
We don't have to know everything about it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:43:09
The funding will go to Central Virginia Legal Aid Society to support one new housing per legal.
00:43:17
and three new housing attorneys.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:43:21
So that's an interesting observation because I think that the last meeting, what you discussed was specifically talking to LAJC about this because CVLAS had some limitations around income, but Richmond actually sounds like they allotted it to CVLAS specifically.
00:43:40
That's interesting, just like two different populations being served perhaps, but
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:43:52
New Legal Aid members will grant free legal resources to an estimated 450 tenant families facing eviction in the next year.
00:44:15
It's exciting.
00:44:16
It is exciting.
00:44:17
So I mean, it's right here in our backyard.
00:44:19
Yep.
00:44:20
So it can work.
00:44:24
At least someone's trying to see if it'll work, so I'm gonna see why we hopefully can't either.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:44:41
It's also interesting to think that, you know, I don't know if this is causal or what the right term is, but
00:44:48
I wonder, I hope we don't need to go down this path, but I do wonder about cities and places that have right to council, if that is impacting
00:44:57
The way landlords think about things like knowing that there are more people who are paying attention to what is happening in terms of who's being evicted, et cetera.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:45:08
Is that like, is there a positive, I don't know that, I don't know that we have data on that, but is there a positive impact on that?
00:45:15
I'm nodding because the thing I just read about Pennsylvania's cost benefit analysis found that not only would it decrease evictions and save money,
00:45:24
but it would also lead to about a five percent annual decline in eviction filings so that would indicate yes.
00:45:41
I think some of the programs are so new that it's hard to look at the tangible points and supposed to be anticipated things.
00:45:50
But I mean, getting that information from somewhere.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:45:55
Yeah, it has been relevant before, since it already happened.
SPEAKER_04
00:45:58
Yeah.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:46:18
So they're talking about in Boulder, this article.
00:46:34
So I'm going to talk about, for example, after RTC was passed in 2020 through an ordinance, 63% of those in the cases of border eviction
00:46:46
resulting in a 26% increase in the number of cases that avoided eviction.
00:47:06
Did you get the updated one?
00:47:10
It's up?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:47:11
Yep.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:47:12
Awesome.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:47:13
I don't know how much more we want to add.
00:47:24
I mean, one of the things that's interesting in here and even is even the for me.
00:47:36
So you like we talk about it in terms of a racial
00:47:42
Justice issue in here.
00:47:44
They also talk about it in terms of gender justice, economic justice, and children's rights issues.
00:47:50
And I don't know how much we want to go down all those paths, but all of the, like there's so many pieces that, as we all know, play into what eviction actually means for people.
00:48:03
Or do we just leave it?
00:48:06
It's shorter, better.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:48:07
But it is all those issues.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:48:08
That's what I'm saying.
00:48:09
It's a gender,
00:48:11
gender justice, it's a children's rights issue, right?
00:48:14
Like I'm saying, it's all of those.
00:48:15
We pull out right now the racial justice.
00:48:19
And that might be, that might be, I don't know that we need to go any further.
00:48:26
But it is all of those things, right?
00:48:28
Like it's
00:48:39
It's impacting a number of underrepresented groups.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:48:52
So how do we, because I agree.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:48:57
It's just this issue disproportionately affects people of color and women.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:49:01
And thus, I don't know.
00:49:06
But not just that though.
SPEAKER_05
00:49:09
That's the letter I'm looking at, right?
SPEAKER_04
00:49:13
Yes.
SPEAKER_05
00:49:14
In particular, Black women.
00:49:15
Right.
00:49:16
It is very specifically an intersectional issue of Black women disproportionately, right?
00:49:23
And it says that there.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:49:30
I think we might have what we need.
00:49:36
I don't know if we should say anything about children.
00:49:42
So eviction is a gender justice issue, a racial justice issue, an economic justice issue, a children's rights issue, and a civil liberties issue.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:49:57
This is kind of the summary of the article.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:50:00
And I don't know how many children are impacted, right?
00:50:03
Like, we don't know how many children are impacted by evictions in the city, but...
SPEAKER_04
00:50:10
There are.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:50:11
Oh, I know.
00:50:11
I said, I just don't know.
00:50:13
We don't know how many.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:50:14
Actually, if you scroll up, we do talk about... Do we?
00:50:18
...families in particular.
00:50:20
Okay.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:50:21
Yeah, it makes sense.
00:50:22
That's an economic consequence for families.
00:50:25
Okay.
SPEAKER_05
00:50:26
I'll make this up for you.
00:50:28
Yeah, please.
00:50:29
And children and mothers, yeah.
00:50:31
Let me see if I can find anything.
00:50:41
I don't know if they have anything shared.
00:50:48
What about some of the people who have learning disabilities or who
00:50:58
Emotional disabilities who also can be easy to take advantage up to, which you may not understand by policies works.
00:51:04
That's also a big issue.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:51:09
Vulnerable categories.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:51:14
Families with children are twice as likely to receive an eviction filing as opposed to adults without children.
00:51:23
It's 5% and 10%, but still.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:51:28
Susan, I like what you stated from that article in the summary.
00:51:44
I don't think it's too harsh.
00:51:52
I think it's the reality.
SPEAKER_04
00:52:08
Did you have a number there, T?
00:52:20
Did you see twice as likely?
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:52:35
Did you get it?
00:52:38
Okay.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:52:41
We don't always just edit letters, but these are often just letters.
00:52:50
These are very important.
00:52:52
These are very important.
00:52:54
Yes.
00:52:54
Let's go into city council.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:52:55
We're not going to screw up this letter.
SPEAKER_04
00:53:01
No, no, no.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:53:12
This is a new thing.
00:53:15
Great.
00:53:16
Not great that children aren't getting evicted, but.
00:53:24
OK, Suzanne, did you want to add the sentences that you found about talking about this as a justice issue?
00:53:31
Yes.
00:53:32
And calling out different facts.
SPEAKER_05
00:53:35
Yes.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:53:35
If you read that out to me, I can.
00:53:38
A clock at a clock.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:53:40
OK, I'm going to let you clap.
00:53:42
Well, so it is we would be quoting from ACLU.org, so we're going to need to figure that piece out.
SPEAKER_05
00:53:49
Well, yeah.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:53:53
It's probably the it's probably the clue it might be the closing of the letter.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:53:59
Yeah, if you look at this.
00:54:04
So you've got like, okay, nationally, 90% of landlords are represented by legal counsel and evictions.
00:54:09
And then the next sentence, we start talking about the categories, we start talking about, you know, in particular, black women.
00:54:17
And then we go back to having a lawyer changes matters dramatically for tenants.
00:54:21
Like if we took that having a lawyer changes matters dramatically for tenants and put that after that first sentence of the previous paragraph,
SPEAKER_05
00:54:33
You know?
00:54:34
Like those seem kind of like they go together.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:54:36
And then you have a paragraph where like, Suzanne can talk about all of like, all of the different, you know, groups with social vulnerabilities, social economic vulnerabilities who are affected.
SPEAKER_05
00:54:50
Does that make sense?
00:54:51
Something?
00:55:07
Alright, that's the element.
00:55:10
And we get rid of a sentence in there.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:55:20
I'm highlighting a space after the sentence, highlighting that sentence.
00:55:26
That might be a good space for the ACLU quote.
00:55:29
This issue disproportionately affects people of color and thus be considered urgent matter.
00:55:34
This is a
00:55:36
This is a justice issue for this group, this group, this group, this group.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:55:44
I feel like you might have just deleted something that I'm not sure if you meant to.
00:55:49
Oh, wait, no, I see what you did.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:55:50
Because having a lawyer change dramatically for tenants is basically repeating that last sentence, but that one was longer.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:55:56
OK, so I just didn't want you to lose something inadvertently.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:56:00
OK.
00:56:03
So where is the quote that you were quoting from?
00:56:06
Me?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:56:07
Yeah.
00:56:09
Do you want me to just send it to you?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:56:11
Sure.
00:56:13
I'm like hanging out in these, you'll use right to counsel.
00:56:15
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
00:56:16
Page, but not seeing the...
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:56:31
It's on its way right now.
00:56:35
I can start saying it to you if you want to.
00:56:36
Or it should be.
00:56:39
It's going to be what I just sent to you.
00:56:41
It's the last paragraph.
SPEAKER_05
00:57:12
Yeah, that's great.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:57:14
Let's plagiarize that.
00:57:15
No.
00:57:19
Everything you teach has told you.
00:57:20
Sorry, Ernest.
00:57:27
It feels like a good conclusion.
00:57:28
I think I should go at the end.
SPEAKER_04
00:57:30
Yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:57:31
All right.
00:57:33
Let's rewrite it a little bit.
SPEAKER_05
00:57:46
Leo Sterling, and Maria Marciaga.
00:58:20
We can try to rewrite it so there's a quote version
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:59:23
And then once we're done with this letter, we should take a look at the other letter and make sure that one feels good to go.
00:59:33
That one, I think the last question was just, was what we had in the letter aligned with what Sam said at the city council meeting?
00:59:42
It was.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:59:52
All right.
00:59:52
I rewrote it.
00:59:55
What do you think?
00:59:56
Could you pull it?
00:59:58
I don't know.
00:59:58
I'm not.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:59:59
Me?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:59:59
Oh, who's sharing?
01:00:00
Oh, yeah.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:00:01
Pull it.
01:00:01
Which direction?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:00:03
I don't know.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:03
Scroll down.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:00:05
Is that down?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:08
Yeah.
01:00:08
Keep going down.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:00:09
This way?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:10
Yep.
01:00:10
Same direction.
01:00:11
Oh, there you go.
01:00:11
The bottom.
01:00:11
It's the bottom of the letter.
01:00:12
There you go.
SPEAKER_04
01:00:13
There you go.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:00:16
I don't know if this would be helpful, but I just got edit permission from Mary.
01:00:20
Oh.
01:00:21
I requested it.
01:00:24
implementing whatever you did into the doc, you know, to do that.
01:00:28
It's, we're done, right?
01:00:29
Totally rewritten.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:30
Yeah, yeah, it should just be this, yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:32
They.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:33
Yeah, the, the.
01:00:37
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:38
These add, they don't need to be below here.
01:00:41
To combine them?
01:00:41
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, combine, no.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:00:46
No, they don't need to be below.
01:00:47
I can, so right now it's set up as footnotes.
01:00:49
Okay.
01:00:50
And all the citations are in the first part of the letter.
01:00:53
Okay.
01:00:54
We can make it like a work cited if you want it at the end.
01:01:00
I can also, I also like to hyperlink instead of having footnotes.
01:01:08
Can we do that in a PDF and still have it be accessible?
01:01:11
And I've done that before and it hasn't been, it's been, we had to change some stuff, but I can't remember if the hyperlinks were the problem or not.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:01:20
If you have the right Adobe software, it depends on how it's saved, right?
SPEAKER_04
01:01:30
But for ADA.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:01:31
Yeah, ADA compliance.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:01:34
Got it.
01:01:35
That's a good question.
01:01:35
I'm just going to do that because citations are good because then screen reader can see those for sure.
SPEAKER_05
01:01:42
PDF document is properly exported.
01:01:45
The links in the document should be active and accessible.
SPEAKER_04
01:01:51
Maybe Accessible.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:02:10
Not all these are actually hyperlinks, I'm realizing.
01:02:14
Some of them are just like Mary cited her expertise.
01:02:19
Well, not herself, but Mary cited like books that she's read on right to counsel.
01:02:24
Okay, so it's a mix.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:33
Funky like that.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:02:45
I just feel so academic.
01:02:59
No, it feels like grade school.
01:03:01
It feels like I'm writing a paper and I'm in middle school.
01:03:06
That's my actual name.
01:03:09
So maybe it's not references, but I want to have the references tied to the
01:03:16
Eh.
01:03:18
I'll do a mix of hyperlinks and footnotes.
SPEAKER_05
01:03:22
It'll be fine.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:03:24
So we probably still want Mary to read through this, right?
01:03:27
Oh, yes.
01:03:28
Before we, yeah.
01:03:31
So can we vote on this at the 19th, the December 19th meeting?
SPEAKER_05
01:03:35
Can we just vote on it?
01:03:38
Oh.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:03:39
Like, we can just vote on it, I think.
SPEAKER_05
01:03:41
Okay, yeah.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:03:42
I think it's pretty common.
01:03:44
It's easy in concept to understand.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:03:46
We fully agree with the direction.
01:03:52
If any minor changes are made, great.
01:03:56
I don't think we've changed the tone of her letter.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:04:03
I don't think we've changed the tone of her letter and she drafted it already.
01:04:06
So I don't think we would be offending Mary if he voted on it in its current form.
SPEAKER_04
01:04:13
Yep.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:04:33
Right now all I'm doing is updating hyperlinks.
01:04:36
So y'all can keep doing some stuff.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:04:41
Todd, are you able to pull up the other one, the draft of the city recs draft one?
SPEAKER_04
01:04:49
Do you want to keep this one up still or pull up the other?
01:05:04
Let's put up the other.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:05:07
They've been there, my pronouns, not she.
SPEAKER_04
01:05:18
The link to, let me see if I can find that one.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:05:26
You had worked on the previous letter as well, correct?
01:05:31
Okay.
01:05:32
Yeah, there was one that was called Bump Bump.
01:05:38
Yeah, I can't remember that.
01:05:39
I'll find that.
SPEAKER_04
01:05:40
No worries.
01:05:40
There it is.
01:05:49
Yeah.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:06:01
Yep, that's it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:06:30
What changes do we need to make here?
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:06:32
So I'll just name the housing.
01:06:34
So we talked about this at the last meeting, and the main change that was made, need to elaborate, but the main change that was made was
01:06:49
What you see in the second paragraph, rather than encouraging them to do the right, like the last letter was more like, please do these things.
01:06:57
This was thank you so much.
01:07:00
And we support, you know, we support, we encourage city council to support and pass a budget that includes all the housing recommendations and then we just
01:07:09
use the information below and have kept them.
01:07:13
We've just changed it so it's more in terms of we affirm rather than we recommend.
01:07:21
So we are affirming the equitable and low barrier year-round shelter, which we talked about last time, the effective right to counsel, and then the supports for homelessness.
01:07:31
And the main outstanding question from the last meeting was, like I said, was what we had in the letter what Sam had laid out?
01:07:44
And these are, and I think several of us have since watched the video, and these are all correct.
01:07:51
So we went through this pretty thoroughly last time.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:07:53
So we just need to take out the edits.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:07:59
Yep.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:08:00
And... Yeah, I think... Make them a part of the letter and go.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:08:04
I can clean it up and then send it, Ernest, to you and Todd.
01:08:08
Okay.
01:08:09
Okay.
01:08:10
I'll do that.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:08:12
So we don't need to do anything else to this one other than what was added.
01:08:18
Right.
01:08:18
We just wanted a fact check.
01:08:20
No.
01:08:22
Cool, thank you, Susan.
01:08:26
And I'll get that to Todd.
01:08:28
So you can put that on.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:08:29
Yep, because that one has to go before the other one.
01:08:32
Yeah, this one has to go.
01:08:33
Yep, yep.
01:08:34
So we'll get this out quickly.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:08:38
By removing, by making hyperlinks, we got it all on one page.
01:08:42
Very nice.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:08:45
Great, okay, I'll do that tomorrow morning or tonight.
SPEAKER_04
01:08:48
Which one, the great council one?
01:08:51
That's right, and then it changes.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:08:55
Let me have my delusions.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:08:58
Let me have this.
01:08:59
The city's letterhead is way too big.
01:09:03
With its big banner.
01:09:05
Yeah, we're talking about conserving paper.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:09:09
Getting everything on one page.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:09:12
The question about the right to cancel letter, it says in April.
01:09:15
We wrote to you in support of an effort to provide universal counsel to tenants.
01:09:19
Did we do that?
01:09:20
I don't remember that.
01:09:20
What was that?
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:09:21
I don't know, but I thought it sounded a little
01:09:26
like a little frustrated like we sort of opened with a frustrated tone in April and again in August like that's when I I write that when I'm a little irritated I haven't come back but I didn't know if maybe that's the tone you wanted to strike.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:09:40
Can we send something in April?
01:09:43
I was wondering it was April of 2021.
01:09:44
I wonder if it's an old yeah if it's an old part of that.
01:09:48
I'm just gonna say in August 2020 that's the last time we sent them a letter about this.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:09:53
Was 2020 August of 2020?
01:09:56
Yeah.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:09:56
So we probably can't share frustration if it's been three years since we've said anything.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:01
It's not like we've been... Every month, come on!
01:10:05
I'm happy you brought that up.
01:10:06
It was only three years ago.
01:10:07
I mean, it's as follows, we were pleased that at the time City Council recognized this was an important means.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:12
Okay.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:13
However, it was COVID-19.
01:10:15
Yes, sir.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:15
Do you still want this one out?
01:10:17
Are we done with that one?
01:10:18
Yeah, we're done with that one.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:19
I'll clean it up and yeah.
01:10:21
Let's clean it up, let's set it up.
01:10:22
Oh, we need to update the date for the vote, though, because we said we unanimously voted, and we did vote it last time.
01:10:27
We did vote it.
SPEAKER_04
01:10:28
We voted it during the special meeting.
01:10:30
Yes.
01:10:31
We don't have to re-vote.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:32
Yep.
01:10:34
So now we just need to look at the right to counsel.
01:10:37
Right to counsel that Wolfgang has.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:39
It's pretty cleaned up.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:41
Can we pull that back up again?
01:10:42
Yes, please.
01:10:43
And then we can vote on that one as well.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:10:46
OK. We can move on.
01:10:47
Oh, let me site our letter from the last time, because it should be on our website.
01:11:01
and obviously the starting of new councillors.
01:11:34
Where do we find the resolutions that we've previously submitted?
01:11:46
Human Rights Commission.
SPEAKER_04
01:11:47
Oh, on the website?
01:11:49
Yeah.
01:11:49
Did you find it?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:11:51
Ordinance subpage.
01:11:52
No, I haven't found it.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:11:53
Commission subpage and just scroll down.
SPEAKER_04
01:11:55
It's just a big list.
01:11:58
Thank you.
01:11:59
Yeah.
01:12:00
Did it make sense what I said?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:12:01
Yeah, it did.
01:12:10
Oh, he actually wrote two letters to council, one in April of 2021 and one in August of 2021.
01:12:16
Okay.
01:12:18
There we are.
SPEAKER_04
01:12:20
It's been a minute.
01:12:23
Mary.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:12:24
Oh, actually, Mary was a 2021 letter.
01:12:28
She should have been April too.
SPEAKER_04
01:12:42
Let me know if I need to scroll anything.
01:13:09
Just citations from there.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:13:17
Wolfgang, is there a period at the end of Invest in Affordable Housing eviction?
01:13:26
Is there a period there?
01:13:27
Okay, I can't see it, okay.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:13:31
Yep, I think there's like a period, yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:13:34
Okay.
01:13:36
Yeah.
01:13:37
Cursor is there.
01:13:46
Yeah, that's one.
SPEAKER_05
01:14:28
Kathryn, you're so like...
01:14:35
It's ridiculous, isn't it?
01:14:38
I really dislike it, but I'm...
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:14:41
It's like after Ph.D. and RN, I didn't even realize what the rest of them meant.
SPEAKER_05
01:14:45
If they did, believe me, it would not be my choice to have that.
SPEAKER_04
01:14:51
There are reasons I have to get it.
01:14:56
Thanks for sending me the meeting.
01:14:59
Budget Development Calendar.
01:15:02
Super helpful.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:15:07
Okay, I think I've made all the changes I want to make to this.
01:15:12
I am happy with it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:15:14
Thank you for them.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:15:15
Thank you Wolfgang.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:15:16
Clack of the Clack.
01:15:17
Clack of the Clack.
01:15:18
Notations, annotations, mutations.
01:15:23
Is everybody have a chance to look at that letter?
01:15:35
It feel okay if we were to vote on it tonight that we want that letter to, once we send it to Mary and she look at it, that we will go ahead and send both
01:15:53
We will send the first letter about agreeing and city council supporting the city manager's efforts and then send those right after.
01:16:15
Are we sending this letter to city council or are we sending this letter to city council and city manager?
01:16:22
or are we sending a letter just to city manager?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:16:31
I believe you send it to council at Charlottesville.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:16:35
That goes to everybody anyway.
01:16:39
City manager as well.
SPEAKER_05
01:16:41
City manager.
01:16:42
Yes.
01:16:42
Other staff too.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:16:45
Gotcha.
01:16:51
If everybody's comfortable and will want to go ahead and vote on the, write the council letter.
SPEAKER_04
01:17:00
Right.
01:17:02
Ernest?
01:17:03
Yes.
01:17:04
Okay.
SPEAKER_05
01:17:05
Yes.
SPEAKER_04
01:17:07
Kathryn?
01:17:08
Yep.
01:17:08
Dawn?
SPEAKER_05
01:17:09
Yes.
SPEAKER_04
01:17:10
Suzanne?
SPEAKER_05
01:17:11
Yes.
SPEAKER_04
01:17:12
Jason?
01:17:12
Yes.
01:17:13
Heather?
01:17:14
Yes.
01:17:16
That's it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:17:18
Thank you, everyone.
01:17:19
I know that was like kind of
01:17:22
A little tedious situation there, but we got it done.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:17:28
Got it done.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:17:29
Got it done.
01:17:29
So that's what work sessions are for.
01:17:35
If we are done with both of those, are we good with both of those letters so we can move on?
01:17:49
Okay.
01:17:49
Confirmation of work session on 12-5.
01:17:53
Do we need that time?
SPEAKER_04
01:17:56
I will not be here.
01:17:58
Just lift your hands up.
01:18:00
So if that affects your decision.
SPEAKER_05
01:18:04
I don't think we have any work.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:18:07
No.
01:18:07
I mean, all the stuff that we need to do is probably much email.
01:18:11
And we don't need to, I mean, especially anything we're doing with committee nominations and things like that, you know, we don't need to be face to face for that, that I can think of.
01:18:23
So I'm suggesting that we do not meet on 12-5.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:18:31
I'm all for removing things from calendars in December, especially if there's not a purpose.
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:18:43
I will need to
01:18:44
Um, participate virtually on December 19th.
01:18:47
So hopefully that's okay.
01:18:49
Yeah.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:18:49
I mean, I'll, I'll fill out all of this stuff, but if you can participate virtually.
01:19:01
Awesome.
01:19:01
Thank you.
01:19:02
Uh, so right now, no meeting on 12-5.
01:19:08
Okay.
01:19:09
Uh, do we need to go over the work plan?
01:19:14
I skipped over that, sorry.
01:19:21
So we are in November 21st.
01:19:27
We did not do the rules and procedures.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:19:32
We're going to do that on the 19th.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:19:33
We'll do that on the 19th.
01:19:35
So if Todd, you can pull it up.
SPEAKER_04
01:19:38
There it goes.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:19:40
There we go.
01:19:41
That's the right one.
SPEAKER_04
01:19:43
Sometimes when you try to share your screen, you're like, which document is it?
01:19:47
There we go.
01:19:54
That's the one.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:19:56
So we can move the work plan, the rules and procedures to reflect the new election timeframe, can move that down to the 19th.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:20:19
There's something else we're going to move to the 19th, wasn't there?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:20:22
Potentially a review of the ordinance.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:20:24
Oh, right.
01:20:25
Yep.
SPEAKER_04
01:20:28
We get that far.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:20:31
We have faith in you.
SPEAKER_05
01:20:34
I'm sure it's Todd who needs to face it.
01:20:36
I know.
SPEAKER_04
01:20:37
I know.
01:20:38
I'm so sad that it's not Todd.
01:20:41
It's OK.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:20:41
It's a journey.
01:20:43
We're going to get there.
01:20:43
It just needs to be right.
01:20:45
That's the deal.
SPEAKER_04
01:20:51
regular meeting 116, that's elections, right?
01:21:05
We should maybe put that on there.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:21:16
Are you going to hold a work session on the 2nd of January?
01:21:20
I'm going to say no.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:21:23
I'm going to totally agree.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:21:28
Do I have it on the second?
01:21:29
Have it on the first.
01:21:30
Bring in the new year.
SPEAKER_05
01:21:31
The 31st.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:21:33
How about at eight in the morning?
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:21:36
I would not do that to you.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:21:39
Start the new year, right?
Heather Roberson Gaston
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:21:40
I sound like people who have actual New Year's plans.
01:21:42
I'm like...
01:21:43
I need to go to bed by 10.
01:21:44
Yeah, exactly.
01:21:45
It's really just like... Fair, fair, fair.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:21:49
So for actions between meetings in November, the nomination committee will send out.
01:21:54
I do love it as a holiday.
SPEAKER_05
01:21:55
But I think, yes, OK. Maybe in DC next year there will be a proper one.
SPEAKER_04
01:22:04
We will.
01:22:07
We will.
SPEAKER_04
01:22:07
We've got to call for nominations.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:22:10
Yes.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:22:12
I have much faith in you.
01:22:19
Ernest, and just a heads up, we put this on here.
01:22:23
I don't even know what that looks like exactly.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:22:28
Yeah, keep it there.
01:22:29
OK. Keep it there.
01:22:30
Yeah, I just want to make sure.
01:22:31
I got you.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:22:32
It's a hard one.
01:22:32
It's one of those ones that we put in there, and it's like, oh, it's an easy one.
01:22:37
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:22:39
Great.
01:22:42
Anything else on this?
01:22:44
I don't think so.
01:22:46
Sure.
SPEAKER_04
01:22:46
All right.
01:22:48
Thanks.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:22:49
Oh, Todd, I'd also maybe suggest in January that 16th, like I know we start the planning for the work session in February, but it could be good in January to just start nailing dates for the work session because it's on a Saturday and yeah.
01:23:04
Oh, fair.
01:23:05
Yeah.
01:23:07
Yes.
01:23:07
Sorry for the retreat.
01:23:09
Usually in March.
01:23:11
It's usually in March, but the first weekend, first and second weekend of March.
01:23:15
I just like to do that.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:23:17
That sounds good.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:23:19
I don't have a wildly packed social calendar, but I also like to know like which Saturdays I need to vlog.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:23:24
It could be really hard for if it's like nine people to find a common Saturday and post them.
01:23:29
True.
Suzanne Lynn
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:23:29
It is.
01:23:31
Even in January it might be.
01:23:32
Yeah.
01:23:32
Yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:23:34
Yeah.
01:23:34
Last year we did like a Doodle poll to see when people were free.
01:23:38
Would that work again this year?
SPEAKER_04
01:23:41
Okay.
01:23:42
I can do that.
01:23:47
I got you.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:23:53
So maybe in December you're going to set up the Doodle Bowl?
01:23:56
Yeah, we'll do that.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:23:57
In December?
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:23:59
Just like, I don't know.
01:24:00
Before?
01:24:01
Yeah.
01:24:02
Sometime before the next meeting.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:24:04
So I guess we need to put that as an action.
01:24:07
Action.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:24:08
Say Wolfgang, I'll do it.
01:24:20
Does the Office of Human Rights have any events that are happening on Saturdays as you track any weekends that are bad for y'all too?
01:24:28
I mean, I'll include y'all in April, but... Oh, in March?
01:24:30
Yeah, in March.
01:24:32
There were like some things that were like... What was there?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:24:36
There was something.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:24:37
There was something.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:24:39
Yeah.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:24:39
Or it was like something where we could meet, but the location wasn't available.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:24:45
Not on Saturdays.
01:24:46
Yeah, so it's all the March stuff was about, so it's the Thursday, it was going to conflict with our regular meeting, but we didn't hold the regular, we're not going to hold the regular meeting, so it's a non-issue.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:25:10
Any other questions, anything else that we need to add to the work plan?
01:25:17
No, no, no, you don't need to put it back on.
01:25:23
I just need to make sure I ask.
01:25:26
All right.
01:25:32
So do we have any new business?
01:25:37
I think we've already added anything we needed to to the work plan.
SPEAKER_04
01:25:43
I don't think so.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:25:49
I know that one thing, well, I'll just food for thought.
01:25:56
I sat in an hour and a half meeting about parliamentary procedures today.
01:26:00
It was interesting to hear.
01:26:06
Was this Murray or Robert?
01:26:08
What I wanted to bring to you is that, Mary Martha, I know we used, we intensively used Martha's rules when we were doing the vote on whether or not to hold a public hearing, which I think was inappropriate.
01:26:27
What I did hear take away from this hour and a half training today was that
01:26:33
You know, all of that stuff just exists for you to help facilitate getting work done and none of the pieces of it are required.
01:26:44
And so it's a matter of like, do you clearly know what your decision was?
01:26:48
Did you have a decision making process?
01:26:50
And was everyone heard?
01:26:52
And so it was it was helpful to hear that and go, okay, I don't do anything.
01:26:57
Because I thought when I heard the training was coming up, I was like, oh, they're gonna try to push us all back to Roberts and want to get all formal.
01:27:03
But that's not what they said.
01:27:04
They said, it's kind of my whole job.
01:27:06
Use what you need out of it.
01:27:09
Leave what you don't.
01:27:11
So we're in good shape.
01:27:12
So in any case, just a point, I think we can use the process variably as long as it's always equitable and gets the work done.
SPEAKER_05
01:27:23
Great.
01:27:24
There you go.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
01:27:25
I was going to say, we're going to have to go back to Robert's.
SPEAKER_05
01:27:27
No, I didn't.
01:27:29
Yes.
01:27:30
Robert says,
01:27:31
That, I think, is the important point, just about getting the work done.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:27:34
Yes.
01:27:37
That's good to know.
01:27:37
We'll carry that with me, because I think that's the important part, is getting the work done.
01:27:43
I know that there are some that are so connected to Robert's Rules and things like that, so parliamentary procedures.
01:27:51
Jefferson's manual is my favorite.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:27:55
Jefferson's manual.
01:27:56
That was his parliamentary guidebook from Virginia's oldest lecture.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:28:16
That is a matter.
01:28:20
Public comment, if you are
01:28:25
For my webinar and your attendance, use the raise hand function.
01:28:29
If you're on my phone, attendees, use star nine.
SPEAKER_04
01:28:35
There's one attendee.
01:28:37
No raise hands.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:28:42
Still no raise hands?
01:28:44
Nope.
01:28:47
All right.
01:28:49
Mission updates.
SPEAKER_05
01:28:55
Well, I have one.
01:28:56
Yes.
01:28:57
There is a meeting this Saturday at the public library for people who want to think about how to stay engaged moving forward.
01:29:05
11 o'clock at the library.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:29:09
Is this, I saw those, okay.
SPEAKER_05
01:29:13
We use the indivisible list and it is indivisible inspired, affiliated, but it is not.
01:29:21
It's a lot of things.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:29:23
What time and where?
SPEAKER_05
01:29:25
in the Swanson Room at the Central Library, 11th.
01:29:34
Worth fighting for.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:29:38
This is kind of further out and not so Charlottesville-centric, but it's regional.
01:29:44
In Culpeper, the Circuit Court is doing an event to commemorate three lynchings, and they're going to be having a criminal motions docket to kind of reverse
01:29:54
and rectify the wrongdoings of that.
01:29:58
I'm gonna say the 19th.
SPEAKER_05
01:30:01
In Culpeper?
01:30:03
Yes.
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:30:04
Which to me is kind of worth the drive.
01:30:06
It's the 16th at 330 of the Culpeper circuit court.
Wolfgang Keppley
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:30:17
What's the event called?
Jason Melendez
Member, Human Rights Commission
01:30:22
Really just a criminal motions docket for Allie Thompson, William Thompson, and William Grayson.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:30:41
Anything else?
01:30:43
No other commission updates?
01:30:47
All right.
01:30:49
So we have our next steps.
01:30:50
So we'll be getting in contact with you guys.
01:30:54
Please ask an email.
01:30:55
And then per email, we'll be making phone calls.
01:30:59
And then we'll get those letters out, get them on Letterhead, get those out to Council and City Manager.
SPEAKER_04
01:31:16
And I think that's it.
Ernest Chambers
Chair, Human Rights Commission
01:31:18
If you have anything that comes up, meetings or anything that comes up, please get the information out to us.
01:31:25
If you hear anything, see anything, okay?
01:31:29
All right, again, enjoy the holiday season.
01:31:33
Take care of yourself and your loved ones.
01:31:37
And this meeting is adjourned at 8.04.