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Planning Commission Meeting   6/11/2024

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      Thank you.
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      .
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:33:07
      All righty, good evening, I believe we're ready to begin our deliberations and we'll do that by beginning with reports from the dice.
    • 00:33:17
      We'll begin with the university.
    • Michael Joy
    • 00:33:22
      Thanks, Chairman Mitchell.
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      I'm going to take a brief moment to update everyone here on a few items that came out of last week's Board of Visitors, Buildings and Grounds Committee, and that was that took place on Thursday, June 6th.
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      And so I'll start off with the Tessa and Richard Ader Center for the Arts.
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      And so the B&G committee approved the concept site design guidelines for this exciting performing arts center.
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      The site that they approved is the eastern most parcel of the Emmett IV corridor.
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      It has front-digital on Emmett Street and kind of sits caddy corner from the new School of Data Science, just opposite sort of the pond that is located there.
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      With this addition to the MIT IV quarter, the three thematic goals that were laid out by President Ryan's MIT IV task force of creating a nexus of discovery, democracy, and the arts will be achieved through the ensemble of the School of Data Science, the Carson's Tube Democracy, and the AIDER Center for the Arts, respectively.
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      The university is currently authorized by the state to complete the planning phases of the project and we're awaiting further state funding for the project to proceed into the construction-related phases.
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      The next up is the Northgrounds parking garage.
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      So the B&G committee reviewed the current design for the garage.
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      We usually bring designs twice to them.
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      So we're anticipating to go back for final design and approval at their September 2024 session.
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      This will be a design bill project and we're projecting a late 2026 completion date.
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      The design currently calls for a thousand parking spaces that will go to help address commuter and event related parking needs.
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      Second-Year Housing.
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      I mentioned last time that an RFQ was published, was advertised, and so we've now received seven letters of interest from different development teams, and so a review is currently underway of the qualifications of those teams in hopes of creating a short list that will then be engaged for a request for proposal process.
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      That will happen later this summer.
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      I will report more as this project develops The Fontaine parking garage and the Manning Institute biotechnology I mentioned previously there was some disruptive construction currently underway and so that process is still progressing but it's on schedule and so the University and UVA Health have been working together to actively communicate any construction related impacts to the community and they've been providing appropriate accommodation to visitors when needed
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      And we are projecting that by the end of July sort of this invasive blasting phase will be complete and as such some of the current sort of parking related restrictions will be fully lifted.
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      On some other news on Thursday June 6th that evening there was a ribbon cutting for the Molly and Robert Hardy Football Operations Center.
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      This is a 90,000-square-foot state-of-the-art training facility for our roughly 150-125 student athletes who play on the football team.
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      And then this time, basically in the fall of 2025, the university will have a ribbon-cutting for the Harrison Olympic Sports Center, which is kind of a parallel facility that will become the home for Olympic sports teams that were displaced in the demolition of the University Hall.
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      and their currently housed modular units near the Copely Bridge.
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      With the completion of the Harrison Center, these units will be dismantled and removed and a grass practice field will be built in its place.
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      So that's important.
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      All my thanks.
    • Betsy Roettger
    • 00:36:51
      That's a lot.
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      So I went to the last tree commission meeting.
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      I am totally amazed at their devotion to this, to saving and adding trees in the community.
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      Mostly, I think what was interesting related to this board, they picked out all of the new pieces of code that may have changed from the old regarding tree planting.
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      And then more discussion on what other cities have done
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      And what we could do to better keep trees on private land, since public land is easier to regulate, such as heritage trees, which we already have, but then someone else buys the lot and they're no longer
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      The Heritage Tree, necessarily.
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      But anyway, different things.
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      Like if you're going to cut down a tree, you have to pay for someone to come look at it.
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      Maybe there's a small fee.
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      So just, I think that's where they're headed.
    • 00:38:04
      And also, of course, having people plant more trees.
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      Yes, so, very in-depth.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:38:13
      Any movement on the trees on the downtown hall?
    • Betsy Roettger
    • 00:38:18
      No.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:38:19
      It's such a complicated problem.
    • 00:38:22
      It's going to be interesting to watch.
    • Betsy Roettger
    • 00:38:23
      There was no update on that this time.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:38:29
      I've been watching the Virginia Housing Commission.
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      They've started meeting to discuss new zoning regulations for the statewide that would also affect us.
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      They're considering two items that are relevant to us.
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      Faith in housing.
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      which is an idea to allow more affordable housing on religious properties and accessory dwelling unit ordinance, both of which I think would largely be in compliance with what we have done here, but other localities probably not.
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      So there's some healthy discussion on that topic.
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 00:39:05
      So let's see.
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      Point of Interest, the CDBG home as presented last meeting here has been approved and blessed by City Council as submitted.
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      The TJBDC met last Thursday.
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      We had a Govetch session about how home is allocated and works.
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      Nothing really substantive to report there than everybody sort of has the same grumbles.
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      So there's that.
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      Also, our own Michael Payne has been elevated to Vice Chair.
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      And we had an interesting conversation about hydrogen buses, but Sean Tubbs just did a complete deep dive on that Champaign Illinois trip, so I'm not going to paraphrase what Mike paraphrased.
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      There, hack met on the 15th, finished off the land bank ordinance.
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      Two of us were designated to clean it up and finish it per the notes and etc.
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      It is now in the hands of the staff.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
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      Let's see, I had two meetings this past month.
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      The first one was a Lupec meeting where we received a presentation from VDOT about the upcoming smart scope projects Most of what you've heard about there are a couple of alimeral ones we covered one of which I'll mention it's in the urban ring It will be a dog bone or peanut roundabout at Hillsdale and Rio
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      So essentially there's two sets of roads intersecting quite close to each other.
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      So rather than one roundabout, which works for a T-intersection, you sort of have two roundabouts somewhat connected to each other, sort of shaped like a peanut.
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      Yeah, there are some complications because some of them are private roads, and VDOT can't move private accessways, but Elmer will be submitting that one, and then
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      I'll move on to MPOTech where we talked about the others as well to not be redundant.
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      Well, first off in MPOTech we approved our moving toward, or MPOTech recommended approval, policy later approved, our moving toward 2050 long-range transportation plan.
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      So that year and a half long process has finally wrapped up and we have a newly adopted
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      LRTP.
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      Next we've got an update on the 64 Fishtree project, which is a similar configuration as it was earlier, diverging diamond with a shared use path going up the middle and crosswalks at lights where pedestrians can get to that.
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      that middle shared use path.
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      The update, which is good news, is that it will now connect that shared use path all the way up to where the previous SmartScale project trails hub behind the market at the Exxon down there.
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      Sort of, there's a, the trails hub project connects up to Wegmans and has like a stubbed out connection, basically at Starbucks.
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      which was intended to go for trails to the south and so this will now connect to that rather than having a tiny gap.
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      The other project, of course, is the Barracks Road interchange and shared use path and so that will actually be two applications.
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      The MPO will be submitting the entire extent from Emmett Street all the way to Georgetown
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      and then the county will also be on its own submitting the part that's in the county.
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      So the interchange part is two roundabouts on either side of the interchange so that there's enough room underneath the underpass to fit a shared use path continuing on.
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      And then all the left turns on the median will be closed from there, from the interchange all the way to Georgetown.
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      and where there will be another roundabout.
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      And so if you needed to get, you know, from that neighborhood and turn left to the neighborhood north and turn left towards the city or neighborhood to the south and turn left towards Georgetown, you make a right and you go around the next roundabout and then you go back the other way.
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      The big point of contention is that there will not in the current proposal be a mid-block crosswalk for pedestrians across at any point in between there and there are bus stops on both sides of Barracks Road there
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      And so you're essentially saying if you want to take the bus, you know, for the one on the side of the road you're on, that's fine, but then to get back, you have to walk half a mile out of the way across at the intersections.
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      So the hope is that VDOT will figure out a way to integrate a crosswalk there.
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      They are concerned that if you did it as a single-stage crosswalk, it would have impacts on operations.
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      In that both sides would have to stop and there's it's a four-foot median now They need six feet to make it a two-stage crosswalk with a pedestrian refuge so hopefully they take a good hard look at that and Figure something out.
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      That was the recommendation that we in policy board made Yeah, but those will all go to Spartacal submissions this summer
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 00:44:48
      All right.
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      Back in May, I ended up meeting with Jeff Levine concerning a potential development on the downtown mall.
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      He didn't want to specify what parcel he was actually looking at, but just wanted to go over some of his concerns with hangups he was having with the zoning code.
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      And I think one of the big things was he wanted to float the idea of
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      Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:45:32
      I think the one project of interest was a preliminary discussion on, I don't know the address of it, but it's the UVA affordable housing project at the corner of Warthland and 10th Street and it was just a preliminary look at it, there wasn't any
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      Real Discussion Materials or anything.
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      It's looking like it's going to be a six-story building, a big Texas donut.
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      So we were talking about a lot of the discussion just had to do with, all right, so how does the building interact with the street, with Tenth Street and with Portland?
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      And yeah, we'll see what comes out of that.
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 00:46:12
      In the interest of full disclosure, I also had a meeting with Mr. Living about the same time.
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      Our conversation was, yes, the same conversation about height versus stories and also, and this was more not as a planning commissioner, but my expertise in a condo organization about how to sort of creatively put some things together.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
    • 00:46:40
      Actually, for the minutes, I also had a similar meeting.
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      I forgot that was this month.
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      Basically covered the same topics, and I'd had a conversation about in lieu payments versus onsite affordable housing, and I strongly encouraged him to do onsite affordable housing.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:46:57
      And I had a meeting with Jeff Levine as well.
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      The topics were similar to that.
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      And we also talked about affordable housing, the bonus or the payment, et cetera, et cetera.
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      And I haven't had one meeting.
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      Most of my committees just aren't very active lately.
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      The BZA, I don't think, is met in at least three months.
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      So Parks and Rec is always active and always alike going on.
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      We met with the adaptive recreation department a couple of weeks ago.
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      And they're responsible for their focuses on the elderly and folks with challenges and disabilities.
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      Quite a few of the folks that use that are people who live in Albemarle because Albemarle doesn't have any function like that.
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      But it's very busy and I sent you guys a nice PowerPoint that you should have gotten around three o'clock today that kind of walks you through all the offerings of this group.
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      It's kind of some pretty cool stuff that we're doing with those folks.
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      Hello, the master plan.
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      The community engagement is done.
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      We are now working with our stakeholders and focus groups.
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      And we're developing what will be our outline for public hearing with council, and that should happen in the next few months.
    • 00:48:27
      Um, dogs in the park.
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      That conversation continues.
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      I sent you guys a PowerPoint that outlines the current ordinance, the current code, as raised to dogs in the park.
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      The PowerPoint also lists a few things that we think we can do, low hanging fruit that we think we can do to address some of the issues with us.
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      We also are continuing to think about the need for dedicated dog parks and revision to the dogs and park ordinance.
    • 00:49:03
      That's going to drive cycles for a few more months, I am certain.
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      So there may be something coming before Mr. Sanders' office and council in the near future.
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      D, as you know, the polls are open since she has an update on that.
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      Staffing remains a challenge, but we are working through it.
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      And the last thing is Oakwood Cemetery.
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      Water in that area remains an issue.
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      We've had a number of conversations with the community about that.
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      A lot of good input.
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      And we've got a consultant on board.
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      And the consultant consists of an archaeologist as well as a full engineer.
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      And their objective is to help us figure out how to deal with the water, but also respect the remains that are located.
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      Ms.
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      Creasy, I think you're up.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:50:04
      Sure.
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      So there is BZA working towards a meeting in July, so just so you have that on your horizon.
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      We are continuing to have pre-application meetings with a number of people throughout the community.
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      We're slowly getting some submissions in based on our new code.
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      A lot of work is going towards shoring up items that are under the old code as you guys are continuing to get those applications through.
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      We're making a lot of progress through that.
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      Our computer system that is newer to us than our building folks, our building folks have been on the new system for about a year and have some really good data from that and they've been able to make some adjustments to the system
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      to create efficiencies now that they've been working with it quite a bit.
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      On the plan review, site plan side of things, we are still in the very early learning phases of the computer system.
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      And we're working quite a bit with internal staff and the public to try and sort through those things as we go.
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      But everyone is generally on board with trying to make our situation work the best that it can.
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      We are not scheduled for a work session for this month, so you all have another date off.
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      I don't know what our July looks like, but if
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      It may be one to two items at most.
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      So we're not having large numbers of items at this moment.
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      However, our time will come.
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      So I hope you all are continuing to embrace how we're easing into the applications under the new code.
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      And that's all I have.
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      I don't know if Mr. Fries has anything to add.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:52:16
      With that I think we're ready for matters to be presented by the public that are not on the formal agenda and this will be the only opportunity for the public
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      The work that we do, or even talk with us about the verb, this would be your opportunity to speak to that.
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      And Ms.
    • 00:52:43
      Creasy, will you moderate?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:52:45
      Sure.
    • 00:52:46
      So we'll follow our regular procedure with this, where we ask for those individuals in person who would like to speak to any item that is
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      Relevant, hopefully relevant, and then we will move to our virtual audience and I'm working myself to our virtual
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      Audience, let me turn off the sound so we don't have any trouble there.
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      Each speaker will have three minutes and so you'll come up to the podium or when you raise your hand in the application.
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      Again, instructions to do that are straightforward.
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      If you're in the application, if you're on the telephone, you hit star nine and that will raise your hand in the application.
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      I know we've got a couple attendees remote so maybe we'll have a speaker there tonight but first we'll check with our in-person audience and do we have anybody who would like to speak to the Commission this evening?
    • 00:53:55
      All right, I see no hands right away.
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      That's OK.
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      We'll come back to you.
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      Our virtual audience, if there's anyone in our virtual audience that's interested in speaking to the Planning Commission, this is your opportunity.
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      Again, raise your hand in the application.
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      Or if you were on a phone, you would hit star nine, which would raise your hand.
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      All right, we have no hands raised in the application.
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      Go back to our in-person audience.
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      and see no hands there.
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      One more time on our virtual audience.
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      All right, Sherrod.
    • 00:54:34
      It appears we don't have any speakers this evening.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:54:36
      All right.
    • 00:54:37
      Then that will be the end of our public hearing and I'll close at such and we're now ready for the consent agenda.
    • 00:54:46
      Are there any questions, concerns about the consent agenda or is there a motion to approve the consent agenda?
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 00:54:54
      I move to approve the consent agenda.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:54:56
      Is there a second?
    • 00:54:57
      Yes.
    • 00:54:59
      We have a motion to approve and a second all in favor.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 00:55:02
      Aye.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:55:04
      Aye.
    • 00:55:05
      Aye.
    • 00:55:06
      Aye.
    • 00:55:06
      Any abstentions?
    • 00:55:08
      Any objections?
    • 00:55:09
      Ms.
    • 00:55:09
      Creasy, the consent agenda is approved.
    • 00:55:11
      All right, we are now, I'm going to now gavels out of the planning commission and gavels into the ECRB.
    • 00:55:21
      And we will begin our conversation regarding the MIRV at JPA.
    • 00:55:27
      Mr. Brenner, I think you're leaving us.
    • 00:55:29
      So good evening again, Chef Warner, I'm the
    • Jeff Werner
    • 00:55:49
      Preservation Design Planner for the city.
    • 00:55:51
      Just to the right set of notes here.
    • 00:55:57
      This is a continuation of the discussion you all had back in April, April 9, when you were considering the COA request for what we're calling the verb, I think address-wise, it's 100 Stadium Road.
    • 00:56:15
      And it's, sorry, I'm having some difficulty seeing close up.
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      But at the end of that discussion on April 9th, the applicant requested deferral.
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      There were some questions that you all had.
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      I requested some clarifications, particularly on the
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      finishes on the exterior walls of the building.
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      And in the interim, they've addressed those.
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      And I circulated the drawings last week, primarily an addendum of eight sheets that appended to the initial application that's dated from March.
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      I think the most significant change in that is that
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      The following discussion about there was initially an ethus material, a simulated brick material that was going to be used, that is now
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      being presented as a masonry brick, a full brick and so and I addressed that in the comments and just to be clear about where on the drawings BRK01 is indicated that will now be a true masonry brick and there's a condition on that
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      The other questions primarily revolved around the Ephesus which is the simulated stucco.
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      I think to everyone out there that's listening, Ephesus is an acronym that sort of is a generic word for the
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      The exterior insulation and finished coat that you see on buildings is a simulated stucco.
    • 00:57:58
      The applicant has prepared some samples and has some information.
    • 00:58:04
      They addressed the reveal detail, which I think is fine, and there were questions about
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      where it would be located.
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      And now with the masonry predominantly at that lower level, there's no EFIS at the ground level.
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      It's either the masonry, there's some metal panels or storefronts.
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      So the concern about the ground connection or around contact has been taken care of.
    • 00:58:32
      And the questions related to the
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      The EFIS product is a system and so many thanks to Mr. Mitchell and Mr. Schwarz working with me crafting a condition that we believe addresses that question about
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      What is the material that's being used and how it will be applied?
    • 00:58:58
      And the applicants offered some suggested changes to that.
    • 00:59:03
      Nothing substantive.
    • 00:59:04
      You all have seen that.
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      So I'm really here to, I think I want to hand it off to the applicant unless there are any remaining questions you had for me.
    • 00:59:14
      But I feel this is a good spot.
    • 00:59:16
      They've responded to what you all had asked for.
    • 00:59:19
      And I'm comfortable, given the conditions that have been recommended, I'm comfortable with you approving Hosea on this project.
    • 00:59:29
      So anything for me?
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 00:59:31
      Any questions for Mr. Hunter?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:59:42
      Hello.
    • 00:59:42
      Good afternoon.
    • 00:59:43
      Good evening, commissioners, chair.
    • 00:59:45
      Neil Reardon, ESG architecture and design.
    • 00:59:48
      Thank you for having us back.
    • 00:59:50
      Happy to be here and clarify some points from two months ago when we deferred.
    • 00:59:56
      I do have that eight page addendum.
    • 00:59:59
      And I'm wondering if that could be brought up for just guiding through a short summary to supplement what staff has already outlined for you.
    • 01:00:10
      On behalf of the full design team and on behalf of the owner developer subtext, we wanted to come back and just clarify these mainly two things.
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      And those are, as Jeff mentioned, the switch to a clay masonry product.
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      So this is, if you remember, the charcoal areas.
    • 01:00:29
      They'll be up in a minute here.
    • 01:00:30
      But the charcoal areas of simulated brick are now clay masonry.
    • 01:00:36
      So we were able to make that change.
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      The project got a little further along, and the budget got a little more defined.
    • 01:00:44
      It was always the preference of our design team and the developer to do that superior material.
    • 01:00:51
      At the time when we submitted before, we weren't there yet.
    • 01:00:54
      So in some further study, we are very happy to come back to you with this product change.
    • 01:01:02
      So in terms of the aesthetic of that and the overall
    • 01:01:09
      Achievement of the details in that area, nothing really has changed.
    • 01:01:13
      The other second component, if we can, this one will need some visuals, so when that's available.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:01:21
      Either way, you can walk us through where it is.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:01:24
      Yeah, absolutely.
    • 01:01:25
      We're cordoned off to eight pages this time, so that should be helpful in this way.
    • 01:01:29
      And they're all labeled A1 through A8.
    • 01:01:36
      Yeah, we can just page.
    • 01:01:37
      I think everybody has it in front of them.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
    • 01:01:39
      What a quick clarifying question.
    • 01:01:41
      Just to be clear, there is no more EFIS at the ground level.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:01:45
      Right.
    • 01:01:46
      So that's an important point of clarification.
    • 01:01:49
      The charcoal color is the field, if you will, that reaches the ground.
    • 01:01:56
      The three color
    • 01:01:59
      Champagne colors, they never touch the ground plane or meet grade.
    • 01:02:05
      And that was intentional all along with the massing and what we had shown you last fall and revised last fall.
    • 01:02:13
      So that Champagne zone of the three different versions of that color do not meet the ground, that's correct.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
    • 01:02:24
      But in the areas where it's non-brick at the ground level, none of that is EFIS and that's all metal panels, that was correct.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:02:30
      Yeah, there are a few areas of detail where metal panel would come down and touch the ground just where the brick is interrupted.
    • 01:02:41
      For instance, at walk-up balconies and some specific places like that.
    • 01:02:48
      So, in summary then, the second major piece that we wanted to come back and clarify for you is, you can page through.
    • 01:02:57
      So the first page here takes care of the brick component that I just mentioned.
    • 01:03:04
      So that is really pages A1, A2, and then A3.
    • 01:03:12
      And so we can certainly come back to questions there if commissioners have been But I'll summarize the maybe the larger points and clarification which starts on A4
    • 01:03:25
      And here is the question was framed up two months ago.
    • 01:03:31
      What is this reveal?
    • 01:03:33
      We had in some renderings shown an outboard reveal as a starting point in the earlier renderings because we weren't sure how exactly we were going to achieve that.
    • 01:03:41
      I think the preference here last time we visited you was articulate that detail and perhaps an inboard reveal might be the best thing.
    • 01:03:50
      We agreed.
    • 01:03:51
      It is the best thing.
    • 01:03:53
      What we're proposing here, and you'll see it in a minute, but even closer up is a one inch wide and a one inch deep reveal that is in board.
    • 01:04:01
      And that's really that charcoal color that you see that's kind of the background.
    • 01:04:06
      color and material on a lot of this building.
    • 01:04:10
      And so it would time out sort of with the interruptions between the windows of that charcoal material and compliment the three color pattern that's been revealed.
    • 01:04:21
      So the jointing pattern itself has not been altered.
    • 01:04:25
      I wanted to note that.
    • 01:04:26
      But the articulation of how exactly we're achieving that joint reveal is what we're here to.
    • 01:04:33
      So on page 85, there's a zoomed up view of that.
    • 01:04:38
      So here you can see again the three panels of champagne colors.
    • 01:04:43
      Each of those would, you'll see in a moment, return around the corner on that one inch depth.
    • 01:04:50
      and then the backside of that one inch will be the charcoal color and we showed this particular view so you can see the charcoal color on the field of its own which happens kind of where the building massing is modified if you remember those areas.
    • 01:05:10
      And that field itself would also have a reveal, a one-intrivial in those zones as well.
    • 01:05:16
      So this material is such that you do have to have a joint every so often for control.
    • 01:05:22
      All right, A6, again just kind of showing that larger field, the jointing pattern, and the typical instance of this, A7.
    • 01:05:35
      So here we're pointing out that there is a vertical and horizontal one inch wide and one inch deep reveal.
    • 01:05:43
      And the one spot where we alter from that is at the windowsills.
    • 01:05:49
      And that reason is that needs to weep out and needs to be controlled at that base so we're not able to do the inside inboard reveal at that location.
    • 01:05:59
      So we want to clarify that point for you.
    • 01:06:02
      And then A8, I believe, includes another kind of zoomed in view here, but maybe more importantly, a diagrammatic reveal detail there that you could see.
    • 01:06:11
      And this would really be a plan view or a sectional view of a vertical or horizontal joint.
    • 01:06:17
      So you can see
    • 01:06:19
      either color one, color two, or color three of each panel there and how it returns and then where that color three, the charcoal happens at the inboard set location.
    • 01:06:34
      So I wanted to summarize all that and just hear for questions if anything I just went through doesn't fully get to where you were looking to get to.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:06:49
      All right, Mr. Joy, any questions?
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:06:53
      Yeah, well, I guess while we're talking about the EFIS, I just had a clarification.
    • 01:06:57
      So with the color three.
    • 01:07:00
      You said the color three is charcoal, but there's three colors?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:07:04
      Yeah, thank you.
    • 01:07:05
      Thank you for pointing that out.
    • 01:07:06
      I realized that as I was saying it.
    • 01:07:08
      There's really four colors.
    • 01:07:09
      There's the three champagne tones, and then the fourth color being the charcoal.
    • 01:07:13
      So color three in this detail would be the charcoal.
    • 01:07:18
      And we're showing two panels of one and two, if you will, of champagne coming together.
    • 01:07:23
      So yes, thank you for pointing out the clarification on that.
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:07:29
      And then with this still color, it looks like there's a variety of textures that you can apply.
    • 01:07:34
      Can you speak a bit about how fine the texture is, or are you going to have a pronounced texture on the panel?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:07:41
      Yeah, it's a textured panel.
    • 01:07:44
      It's not completely smooth, but it does have sort of a metallic sheen to it, and we're hoping to achieve that.
    • 01:07:50
      We're having some mock-ups done now, and we hope to
    • 01:07:56
      You know, define the exact sheen, but it is pebble-ized.
    • 01:08:00
      It's not a smooth finish like a metal panel would be, which we actually don't want it to be because we have the metal panel as an accent on the building itself.
    • 01:08:07
      So we actually want that to be a slightly separate sheet.
    • 01:08:10
      So it's a somewhat pebble-ized metallic finish to answer your question.
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:08:14
      But if you were to think of it as a spectrum, would you go towards the finest amount of pebbling that you could achieve with the product?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:08:21
      I guess I would say in terms of those materials that are applied in the field like that, it would be in the medium area of a pebble-ization or scale on the, yeah.
    • 01:08:32
      So it's not, you know, a rough, like you'd see here on the ceiling here in the City Council chambers, but it is not very tiny either.
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:08:44
      And regarding the brick, I just want to thank you for going back and sort of huddling up and
    • 01:08:50
      re-assessing those areas.
    • 01:08:51
      I think, you know, last time we saw your presentation, I think there was definitely, I had concern and I went down the stove, sort of rabbit hole and looked at the brick.
    • 01:09:00
      And so I think pivoting away from that is going to be a great asset to the overall look of this facility and make it a better neighbor.
    • 01:09:06
      So thank you for doing that.
    • 01:09:07
      And similarly, I think restricting the e-fist areas above the grade, the ground level, I think is another sort of strong shift.
    • 01:09:17
      You know, and I think the team has been remarkable.
    • 01:09:19
      I think since you went to City Council, I think you've shown an ability to adapt to feedback and criticism.
    • 01:09:26
      And so I just wanted to just publicly thank you for going back and sort of taking feedback and implementing into the project.
    • 01:09:34
      So, Chairman, I don't think I have anything else at this point.
    • Betsy Roettger
    • 01:09:41
      Those comments, I was really pleased to see the brick.
    • 01:09:48
      And I think the e-fifth, you know, it's nice to see the reveal worked out, you know, just to know what's going on there and these details.
    • 01:09:59
      And yeah, and that I like the, in the rendering, the metallic look of how the light's hitting it.
    • 01:10:06
      So hopefully, you know,
    • 01:10:09
      Hopefully that can be achieved.
    • 01:10:12
      But yeah, I appreciate that change.
    • 01:10:14
      I also imagine walking by, having a real brick surface next to all the people walking on JPA will be great.
    • 01:10:24
      So thank you.
    • Jeff Werner
    • 01:10:27
      Clear.
    • 01:10:28
      Thank you.
    • 01:10:30
      I got nothing.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
    • 01:10:33
      For the windowsill extension segments, are there also one inch wide like the reveals?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:10:40
      Yeah, we wanted to make the dimension consistent on those horizontal windowsill details that were a little bit outboard intentionally so that from a distance it really shouldn't be perceived differently.
    • 01:10:55
      You know, we had to consider the idea of just doing them under the windows.
    • 01:10:59
      But that leads to a lot of inconsistency on that particular horizontal joint.
    • 01:11:03
      So we just thought bringing it all the way across is really the way to go.
    • 01:11:06
      It's just above the floor line.
    • 01:11:09
      And so it's consistent, horizontal.
    • 01:11:11
      And it will look slightly different within a distance of the facade.
    • 01:11:16
      But if you're a block away, 400 feet away, I think the jointing pattern will all feel consistent.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:11:25
      And regarding those sales, so where we see windows kind of stacked with a charcoal piece in between, that still won't be, we're not going to see a stripe through
    • 01:11:40
      Jason Champagne Panels, or Ruby?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:11:42
      Yeah, Commissioner Schwarz, I'm sorry.
    • 01:11:46
      Yes, thank you for clarifying that.
    • 01:11:48
      So there's a two-floor banding here where the difference could go to A6 potentially, just so we're all looking at the same thing.
    • 01:11:58
      There is a not a horizontal joint at that point because the charcoal panel that's between the zones in that particular instance is not considered, so it's changing from the charcoal field to the champagne field and in those instances that the sill line is only, that sill detail is only at the sill of the window which would be the
    • 01:12:26
      Top of the charcoal zones there you see in the middle.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:12:29
      So the rendering is what we'll end up seeing as far as the joint pattern.
    • 01:12:33
      What's that?
    • 01:12:33
      The rendering is what we're going to see as far as the joint pattern, correct?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:12:37
      Yeah, yeah, exactly.
    • 01:12:38
      And again, that jointing pattern really has largely been unchanged the entire time since we unveiled this new design to you guys.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:12:48
      I think you guys answered this by email, but just to confirm,
    • 01:12:52
      The concrete that has like a wood look to it.
    • 01:12:55
      What was the plan for that again?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:12:57
      Yeah, so there's I think you're speaking to the terrace that would be kind of at the walk-up of the retail function of the building which is just to the Left of the main entrance of the building if you're if you're approaching it from the northwest and
    • 01:13:11
      That zone, we have sort of a cascading terrace and we had in some rendering shown some wood look product in that area.
    • 01:13:21
      We really think that that's best applied in strategic locations, probably on vertical surfaces rather than horizontal surfaces.
    • 01:13:29
      I think we had in some rendering shown it on a horizontal surface at places.
    • 01:13:35
      If we were to do that, it would be a durable material
    • 01:13:38
      that, you know, it's privately maintained and everything, but we wouldn't, because that's a semi-public space, we would probably limit the areas of that to particular zones on the terrace where we were encouraging seating out in front of it.
    • 01:13:55
      And so those would be limited to, those horizontal uses of it and vertical for that matter would be limited to those areas that were intentionally planning a seating.
    • 01:14:03
      Okay, okay.
    • 01:14:05
      And otherwise the surface would be concrete, as he was suggesting.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:14:10
      And the brick at our last meeting you had said that the detailing that we're seeing at the windows might be abbreviated on the upper levels.
    • 01:14:19
      Is that going to be the case or is it going to be as the rendering show with all the inset brick pattern at every level?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:14:28
      Commissioner Schwarz, I think you're asking about the soldier coursing that is pretty consistent on the renderings as we go up the building.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:14:34
      There's some soldier coursing, but then I guess at the window heads there's the brick
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:14:40
      Corbelling with some depth changes.
    • 01:14:44
      So we are planning for that at this time at those locations.
    • 01:14:49
      We will submit refined elevations through the site plan review process when that wraps up.
    • 01:14:56
      And so those upper areas could be clarified to the exact, I mean is your question about the exact extent of the Corbelling or the
    • 01:15:04
      Locations of its existence.
    • 01:15:06
      The locations basically are we gonna see the same level of detail that we're seeing in these renderings or is it gonna be right what we have on I guess it's a3 As submitted would be the typical Soldier course and corbeling detail for a typical floor level.
    • 01:15:27
      Okay.
    • 01:15:28
      Yeah, so all the way up
    • 01:15:30
      And so we're, yes, and it's slightly different there.
    • 01:15:33
      I would say odd and even floors.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:15:34
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:15:35
      Yep.
    • 01:15:36
      And so, again, these two story volumes are kind of our module.
    • 01:15:41
      And so there's corbelling that exists at both, and then corbelling that exists, say, at the even floor, or I guess it's probably the odd floor, where there is not a soldier course, but just corbelling.
    • 01:15:53
      Yeah, our intent here is to, as you see on the left-hand side of this screen,
    • 01:16:00
      Use that detail as we rise in those charcoal sections of the building.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:16:13
      I think that's all my questions.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:16:17
      Does anyone else have questions for the applicant?
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:16:23
      I just had another follow-up one.
    • 01:16:25
      Is the color for the charcoal, is the intent to have a close color match with the brick masonry?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:16:31
      Well, it sort of is.
    • 01:16:33
      Yes, they're complementary of one another.
    • 01:16:35
      Our brick color is certainly a charcoal.
    • 01:16:40
      It would have a different texture than that charcoal panel.
    • 01:16:44
      Yes, very similar, although I think in different lights it would appear different.
    • 01:16:49
      The other component to the masonry obviously is the mortar color.
    • 01:16:52
      So our intent right now with the charcoal barric masonry would be that the more color would be very similar to that and not like a standard gray but a darker color.
    • 01:17:03
      And so from a distance the fields of both of those would appear somewhat similar and that is intentional to highlight the massing moves that we're making with the other
    • 01:17:14
      Tri-Color Champagne idea.
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:17:18
      Is the gray EFIS envisioned to have a metallic finish like the champagne colors?
    • 01:17:23
      Or will it have a more matte finish?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 01:17:25
      The charcoal, yeah, it's intended to fade into the background.
    • 01:17:27
      So to the extent we can control the metallic we would do, we would certainly like to do less of a sheen on the charcoal metal, I'm sorry, the charcoal EFIS, call it number four.
    • 01:17:41
      Okay, thank you.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:17:45
      Oh, thank you very much.
    • 01:17:49
      I think we'll begin our deliberations.
    • 01:17:52
      Thank you.
    • 01:17:53
      Mr. Joy, what do you think?
    • Michael Joy
    • 01:17:56
      I mean, as I mentioned, the improvements that they present today, I think, are welcome additions.
    • 01:18:01
      And let's move the project, I think, into a better place, just from its aesthetic sort of overall look.
    • 01:18:09
      And again, I just commend the team to sort of taking the time to go back and reassess the pallet in order to address the commission's concerns that we aired last time.
    • 01:18:21
      So that's all I have.
    • Betsy Roettger
    • 01:18:25
      Yes, I agree.
    • 01:18:26
      I really appreciate the changes.
    • 01:18:29
      I've always thought the massing is well done.
    • 01:18:32
      It's a really hard thing to make such a big building look smaller.
    • 01:18:38
      And like it's many buildings kind of put together in a block.
    • 01:18:44
      Yeah, and I thank Carl and I think Jeff, whomever worked on getting kind of more exact wording to make us feel comfortable.
    • 01:18:55
      Thank you very much for doing that.
    • SPEAKER_09
    • 01:19:00
      Much improved.
    • 01:19:00
      Well done, all.
    • 01:19:03
      Get up.
    • Rory Stolzenberg
    • 01:19:05
      Looks good to me.
    • 01:19:05
      Well done.
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:19:07
      Yeah, the Brit changed everything.
    • 01:19:09
      Yes, much better.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:19:12
      Right, if I were the absolute ruler of architecture in Charlottesville, every interesting corridor would use noble materials.
    • 01:19:24
      Ephesus, again, an egg noble material.
    • 01:19:27
      I worry what this building is going to look like in 25, 30 years, because it's going to age.
    • 01:19:34
      And Ephesus is going to age, I fear, quicker than the brick.
    • 01:19:44
      This is significantly better than what we saw a couple of months ago And Mr. Schwarz has spent a couple of hours trying to help me to appreciate how much better this is And so I'll continue on the revisions Even if it gives me great heartburn, but this is a lot better
    • 01:20:10
      Mr. Schwarz, you want to craft the emotion?
    • Carl Schwarz
    • 01:20:11
      Yeah, I think I can do this.
    • 01:20:14
      So having considered the standards set forth in the city's entrance quarter design guidelines, I moved to find the proposed design for 100 Stadium Road.
    • 01:20:20
      The verb is consistent with the guidelines incompatible with this entrance quarter.
    • 01:20:24
      and that the ERV approves the certificate of appropriation as submitted with the following conditions of approval.
    • 01:20:31
      So we have the staff report and I'm going to say condition one, condition two, condition three, condition four, condition five, condition six, and to modify condition seven to say that
    • 01:20:48
      The exterior insulation and finish system, EFIS, must be a drainable exterior wall covering consisting of sheathing, air and moisture barrier, insulation board, reinforcing fabric, base coat, finish coat, adhesive, and mechanical fasteners as applicable.
    • 01:21:02
      While not all components of the wall system will be provided or installed by the same parties under the supervision of the general contractor, the system components must be compatible with each other and with the substrate as recommended or approved by
    • 01:21:15
      and the products of a single manufacturer regularly engaged in furnishing exterior insulation and finish systems.
    • 01:21:21
      The system shall be installed according to the manufacturer's installation instructions and standards of good practice and only in applications as recommended by the manufacturer.
    • 01:21:30
      Any areas of EFIS adjacent to pedestrian traffic or are otherwise prone to damage due to their location shall be reinforced or a class PM system and or a high impact resistant system.
    • 01:21:43
      Delete Condition 8, include Condition 9, and then add a 10th condition concerning BRIC.
    • 01:21:52
      So per the elevations on sheets 33 and 37 of the initial submittal dated on March 25, 2024, and per sheets A1 through A3 of the addendum dated June 11, 2024,
    • 01:22:06
      The exterior walls labeled BRK01 will be constructed with true masonry bricks and mortar, not EFIS or other simulated masonry.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:22:15
      Is there any second?
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 01:22:16
      Oh, OK.
    • 01:22:18
      What he said?
    • 01:22:18
      What he said.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:22:19
      All right, we have a motion and a proper second.
    • 01:22:23
      Ms.
    • 01:22:23
      Krissie, would you hold the board?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:28
      Sure.
    • 01:22:29
      Mr. Solla-Yates?
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 01:22:31
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:32
      Mr. Doranzio?
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 01:22:33
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 01:22:34
      Mr. Solzenberg?
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:22:36
      Mr. Schwarz and Mr. Mitchell This has been approved by the ECRB, congratulations Now I'm going to gavel out of the ECRB and back into the Planning Commission Are there any other business members who would like to discuss?
    • Phil D'Oronzio
    • 01:23:02
      Mr. D'Oronzio, do you have a motion?
    • 01:23:07
      Sure.
    • 01:23:07
      In the wee hours of June 11, 1962, Frank Morris, John Anglin, and his brother Clarence Anglin, managed to get outside the prison and slip into the waters of San Francisco Bay outside of Alcatraz.
    • 01:23:24
      And so 62 years ago today we have an anniversary of what is perhaps the only successful escape from Alcatraz.
    • 01:23:31
      I put that forward that at this point, although we've had difficulty getting out of meetings, going over the wall today is going to be a lot easier.
    • 01:23:39
      Let's adjourn.
    • Hosea Mitchell
    • 01:23:42
      We are adjourned.
    • 01:23:43
      Thank you.