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Human Rights Commission Committee Meetings 3/2/2023
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Human Rights Commission Committee Meetings
3/2/2023
Attachments
20230302 HRC Committee Meeting Agenda (PDF).pdf
20230302 HRC Committee Meeting Agenda Packet (PDF).pdf
20230302 HRC Committee Meeting Minutes (PDF).pdf
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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And it looks like we have two participants.
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One of them is us.
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Are we on?
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Good evening folks and welcome to the Human Rights Commission subcommittee meeting on March 2nd.
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Happy to have you with us.
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Do we have anybody online?
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Then I will call this meeting to order at 6.30 and we'll do roll call.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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Feel free to say your names.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:03:48
I'm Wolfgang Keppley.
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Mary Bauer.
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Great.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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You're both present.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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We're both present.
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Thank you.
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Next is to read the mission.
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I didn't bring my computer.
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Do you want me to bring my laptop over?
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Do you want to come over here and read it off?
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Or do you know it by heart?
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That's the same thing.
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I think you know it by heart.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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OK. ETR.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Act as a strong advocate to justice and equal opportunity by providing city-wide leadership and guidance in the area of civil rights.
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You got it.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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Did you do it by memory?
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I didn't.
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Not really.
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I always read it off.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Okay.
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Next we'll move into matters by the public.
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Move into public comment.
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Any webinar attendees can use the raise hand function and phone attendees can use star nine.
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Do we have anybody online?
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No callers?
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Alright.
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So I'll move into approving the minutes from the last session, which is on February 2nd, and we have the minutes that are attached.
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I think I'm the only person that was present from the last meeting.
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So I'm hoping to do a vote of one.
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I can punt it to next time.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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Put it on hold.
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That's okay.
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We can always take it to the retreat.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Was someone else present?
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Yeah.
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It was four in attendance.
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And they should all be there.
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Everyone should be there at the retreat.
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Okay.
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Committee engagement is also supposed to meet today, but I don't see any representatives from them, so I'll go right into housing.
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We've got three things on the agenda.
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The first would be to review the draft letter to council that we drafted regarding housing-related budget priorities.
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I haven't made any adjustments to the letter, but I would like to.
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I would also love to see if we, the Housing Subcommittee, might be able to add substantive edits to it, so things that you want to see in it at some point.
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Have you gotten a chance to look at it?
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I did look at it, but I didn't bring my computer, which was just, I don't even know what I was thinking, but I just walked out without it.
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So you're about to go on vacation.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Could I look at it?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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It resides on SharePoint, I believe.
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So it's just been sort of a draft document so far ahead.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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It's an old draft at this point.
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My goal was to have it to... Do you know where to find it?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:06:29
I think it probably doesn't make sense for me to read it now.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
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It would be wordsmithing in a live meeting.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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What would you like from other people?
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This is my accountability for me.
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I want to take the time between now and our retreat to go back over it and incorporate feedback that I got from Alex Ikefuna from our conversation, which I haven't done yet since like a month ago.
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Cleaned it up because there's some notes at the bottom from a city budget meeting that I attended, which don't belong in the letter.
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There's notes that I was taking because I had the document open.
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And then have the document able to, like a week from now people could take a look at it.
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I don't think it'll be on the agenda for our retreat because we have other business planned, but I would like for at least substantive edits from you and from Ernest, who is now on the housing subcommittee.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:07:24
Well, I just discovered that I have a six-hour flight tomorrow.
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So something to read.
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I had not looked up how long the flight that I'm taking is, and so I will put that on my list of things to do while tracked.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I'd love for you to take a look at it.
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You know that they have an asterisk, that it's an old draft, and that I want to make some changes to it.
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The intent behind it is to say, look, in a world of competing priorities, the city should focus on affordable housing and emergency housing as one of those top priorities.
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And one of the ways to do that is to fund certain things.
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Here are some funds that we believe you should continue funding or consider increasing the funds for.
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That might be punching above my weight since I'm not a housing policy expert.
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But I think that the nature of the letter is to say this is a priority for us, this should be a priority for you, and so there should not be a decrease in funding for any of these issues.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Do you want to include non-funding related housing issues or do you want it to be very specific and targeted to funding?
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One of the things I mentioned at the last meeting was
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I want to encourage the Commission to take a position on the rezoning.
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So I don't know if that should be a different letter in your view.
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We haven't voted to do that at all.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I want to write that letter with you anyway.
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It could be two letters.
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But I believe that that is also an important letter.
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I think it deserves its own thing.
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The rezoning plan is just such a big
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Yeah, and I was hoping that we would talk about that at the retreat.
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I mean, not that we can't talk about it here, but obviously we need more than two of us to say yay.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I think Jessica wanted our policy, our important policy things by tomorrow, and so if you can ping her and say that's important to you,
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or like other policy things that you want to be on the table for discussion.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I can send a letter that somebody else wrote that I think is like a good letter.
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A template for, yes.
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Here's sort of the argument about what.
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Yes.
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Okay, I will do that.
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Great.
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Send it to her tonight.
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Perfect.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I have a list of things that I haven't sent yet, so that's also a reminder for me to send them before tomorrow.
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Second agenda item is to schedule one-on-one meetings with city staff and other experts.
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In our last subcommittee meeting, sort of a joint engagement in housing, we were brainstorming different people that we think would be good for a panel or an open house format DPD.
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But either way, having more conversations with
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experts on housing policy within the city I think would enrich our decision making as well as help us understand people who I think would be good to connect with.
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So there's a contact sheet for community engagement that's been circulated.
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Have you gotten a chance to see it?
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It's fine if you haven't.
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I'm going to recirculate it.
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I think it would be great for us to
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Pick one person to talk to and to schedule something between now and the next subcommittee meeting.
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I'm seeing this realizing that the retreat might kind of shift the conversations that we might have based on what policy thing we want to be the focus.
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But at the same time, I think housing is still going to be central to whatever.
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So it would be so good to set up those conversations, but maybe set them up for after the retreat occurs.
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So let me bump that email real quick.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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And do you all have a list of experts?
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I mean, there's so many people in the city who
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:11:35
I can read them, but it's also like I'll be reading them offline.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I'm happy to review it.
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I mean I assume some of them are the obvious suspects.
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But hearing from those folks
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Periodically, even if we've heard from them before, I think it's good.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Yeah.
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So do you have the bandwidth to commit to meeting with one policy person now and the next?
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So between the retreat and the next subcommittee meeting to meet with one person?
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Which presumably is early April.
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Late March, early April.
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Yeah, could definitely do that.
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OK, great.
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And that's one due out.
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OK.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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We also wanted to touch base and see what communication methods work best because I don't want to like
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email blast, if that's not the best way to get ahold of you.
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I also know that for me it's kind of hard to have our city outlook be the preferred method of communication when like my personal email is always the preferred method of communication for me.
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So I just wanted to see what would be your preferred communication method for housing subcommittee issues.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Great question.
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Thank you for asking.
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Email's fine.
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What has worked for me, which is
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kind of an annoying thing to say out loud is when I don't respond, I have four different email addresses.
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I have two personal ones, I have the city one and I have my work and I just don't check them all or sometimes I, yeah, and so if I have no problem with somebody sending me an email or to my personal, to another account or to my
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or just text me saying there's an email you need to read to this response.
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Can I text you?
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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Yeah.
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Is that okay?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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It would be awesome.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:13:35
Okay.
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I'll grab your number when we're not streaming and we can do that.
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I already have Ernest.
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Okay.
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If it's okay.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
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I have no problem people poking me, you know.
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Okay.
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I send you an email.
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Do you mind responding it by Friday?
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Yep.
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That kind of thing.
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Okay, great.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
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And is there like I guess a good time of day that I should but like I should realize that you're not available during this time of day if I text you
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:07
Well, if you text me after 9.30 at night, I will be in my pajamas and I will not look.
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But it won't bother me, it'll just be sitting there.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:19
It's not going to like ping or wake you up?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:21
No, anytime is fine.
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I'm an early person.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:25
I don't have my phone on me during the day, so I am inaccessible during all business hours.
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And that also includes by our city email.
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So I might send out my personal email and then also my work phone if you need to get a hold of me.
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Just kind of a landline.
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And then the email account that I made when I was 12.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:48
Yeah, I have one of those.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:14:50
Great.
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I'll circulate out a little email distro for the three of us.
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I know Ernest probably is fine being on a group chat because he's already texted me about stuff.
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So I can make something for the three of us.
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OK. And.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:15:14
If number three doesn't make sense, I cannot explain.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:15:18
Sure, yeah, I'd love to hear more about this.
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Is this something for the research element that I was talking about last time?
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:15:23
A bit of that.
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Yeah.
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And it's also something that I heard from Jessica where it's like when we learn things about whatever topic, if it's housing, it's been housing lately that we've been talking about, where do we drop our sort of
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Cliff's Notes, so to speak, so that when we want to remember, like, okay, we've learned all these things, this is what's going to inform our decisions in terms of action going forward, coming up with some sort of system to do that.
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Because it's hard, especially with something as broad as housing, you have to be able to distill things down and to say, okay, these are the main topics we know about, these are the things we really care about, and remember.
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Because it gets lost in minutes, I think it does.
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So that was something.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:16:16
Yeah, I thought when Anna Mendez came a couple times and spoke, I thought she had such great things to say that, I don't know, reducing that to writing somewhere and putting it somewhere actually could be really
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:16:29
It's nice that it's captured in minutes because we have all those available but then remembering like which month was that so even if you just had like an index of like where do I find the affordable housing plan where do I find you know
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The New Zoning Ordinance, what month was that that Anna Mendez came and spoke eloquently about concerns that she had about it?
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:17:01
So I'd love to be able to use our OneDrive a little bit more efficiently.
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And it might be that my work also uses Outlook, because the two tend to fight each other, depending on what I'm logged into.
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But also that sometimes I think we've had issue sharing the documents and accessing documents and being able to find documents after they've been shared by email.
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So do you think there is an alternative to OneDrive?
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Or do you think we could, as there's a way to, like,
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pin essential location in a way that's visible for everybody accessing it through Outlook.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:17:33
So Teams will do that for you.
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And the way to do it, I could create a, I think I already have made a Human Rights Commission team, and I think I just have to add everybody's.
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It's a little shaky on Teams myself, but that could be a place, because it's got a files place, and so if you go, when you guys access your Outlook, I assume you're just like on the browser, right?
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So you go there, and there's like little,
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Square up in the corner with a bunch of dots and you can choose the other apps that are associated with your Outlook 365 account.
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And so you can click on Teams and then just go to the team where all the files are stored.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:18:16
You have a Human Rights Commission Teams page.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:18:18
Yeah, you do.
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You have it?
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Yeah.
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I think I made that a while ago.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:18:22
We're all members.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:18:23
Yeah, good.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:18:25
We have a couple additional guests, city attorneys.
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Ashley Marshall is on there.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:18:30
So it exists.
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So you could store things there.
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It may need a little bit of orientation around that, because I don't know if you don't use Teams.
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We use Teams at work, so I use it as well.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:18:39
We were actually talking about getting rid of Teams, because it grows to fill your entire life.
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It does.
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No, we probably are not going to get rid of it, though.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:18:53
We're adapting to it.
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We've shifted all of our operations into teams, in the office at least.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:19:01
I think there's a lot of advantage to communicating that way.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:19:06
I agree, and I think it would be really easy to add a housing subcommittee channel.
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Even if it's not used for regular communication.
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We could definitely use it to drop resources over time in a way that would be shareable with the whole commission, that would be flexible as the commission changes over time.
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So it's not just sitting on one person's email.
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It has to be shared if that person leaves.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:19:31
You can just go to the team and find it.
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What IT has suggested to you, I think they used to do multiple, this is kind of geeking out a little bit, but doing multiple channels inside of a team is one way to do it, but they've suggested actually just create a new team.
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So you would have your Human Rights Commission team and then you have your Human Rights Commission housing team.
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and then it just has one channel and you put all your files in there really easily so I don't know how complicated that is but it's just something to think about or you yeah however you want to manage it but.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:20:05
I don't think I have the admin ability.
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Did you set up a new teams channel?
00:20:16
Yep I can set up a team.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:20:18
Pretty cool.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:20:20
I'm going to look into that and see if I can set up a housing one.
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Because there's some podcasts I listen to, listening to one that was Virginia specific today that I could drop in there if people want to listen to stuff.
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And also to record our conversations that we have.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:20:37
I do notice that this thing needs to be updated with I think with commissioners yeah yeah yeah because I think we haven't used it in a long time yeah so I'll make a note of that that's my job and our new commissioner joins at the next
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yeah it's for the retreat retreat yeah yep she's out of town or else probably would have been here this evening too so okay
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:21:14
I also wanted to sort of brainstorm project management options.
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I have like a very analog spreadsheet that I've used for my project management.
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I don't know if you have more, Todd, you had recommended the planner.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:21:27
You could use it.
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I have not used it on Teams, but it's recommended by IT.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:21:32
We can look at that too.
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Do you use other project management?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:21:35
We use Asana.
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Is that?
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But you'd have to like have a license, like a thing that you have to buy, right?
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So I think it's quite good, but
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On the other hand, we're probably not going to go buy software.
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So I've never used the Teams.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:21:51
I've never used it.
00:21:53
One of their apps.
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I'm just curious as to which ones we have.
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Ernest is here.
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Ernest is here.
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Ernest.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:22:04
Hello.
00:22:05
Hello, everyone.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:22:06
Hello.
00:22:06
Good evening.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:22:07
Hey, I thought we were meeting hybrid.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:22:11
So a hybrid I think I was also confused about this and sat for some time at the city parking deck reading over the emails and trying to figure out if we were partially in person yeah so it's fine to be online and it's fine to be in person okay I just want to make sure I think you're okay because you gave us written notice that you were going to be online and I think that's what we needed yeah to have somebody be online okay yeah
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:22:41
He notified you, you were the chair of this committee.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:22:43
Yeah, you notified me as the chair, so I'm gonna count that.
00:22:47
All right.
00:22:49
Yeah.
00:22:49
So we've actually kind of gone through most of the agenda so far.
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I can give a brief recap.
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Mary and I are going to take another look at that draft letter that I drafted.
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We're going to send Jessica our policies by tomorrow, like things we think are important to work on in the city, because I think she asked for those by tomorrow.
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So send those to her.
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And I also wanted to ask if you would be comfortable with us doing sort of a group chat just in case there is any business that needs to be addressed in our city email accounts that we could like ping each other like, hey, I sent you something.
00:23:33
Yeah, I like that.
00:23:36
OK, then I'm going to make a group chat between you, me and Mary just for the housing subcommittee stuff.
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I know you're I should be looking over to the left.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:23:46
Okay, sounds good.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:23:48
I just wanted to make sure that was okay with you.
00:23:55
What else?
SPEAKER_00
00:23:57
I can actually get a good angle of you no matter where you look so it doesn't matter.
00:24:01
Just FYI.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:24:09
We were just talking about project management options as we'd like to incorporate maybe a more project management approach to the priorities that we select in our retreat.
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And so we were kind of clicking around teams to see what options are available there.
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And yeah, just in the process of doing that.
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There's a lot more here than the work.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:24:33
It's something to explore.
00:24:35
It may be more than we can do right now, but.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:24:37
Yeah, I'm realizing that.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:24:39
Yeah, there's an app called Project.
00:24:41
There's an app called Planner.
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Planner.
00:24:43
There's all sorts of stuff, each of which may have.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:24:46
And polls.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:24:47
Benefits, so.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:24:48
Okay, I'm gonna try to utilize some of this.
00:24:50
Also, Ernest, I'm going to create a Teams page for our housing subcommittee just to drop housing-related resources for us and for the whole commission.
00:24:59
Todd mentioned that there would be value into us accumulating resources, either the conversations that we have with nonprofit leaders, policymakers, for the benefit of council, or just for commissioners to be able to track relevant housing policy information.
00:25:18
So I'm going to make a Teams page
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:25:22
Okay, did anyone listen to or go to the Louisville, the Seville, Louisville Seville, golly, something that happened earlier this week?
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:25:38
Not this week.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:25:39
What was it last week?
00:25:44
I thought that was something that they were, they were doing, they did at
00:25:49
Buford, they did it at, it was three different spots.
00:25:58
And it was last week.
00:25:59
It was last week.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:00
It was last week.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:01
It was on zoning.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:04
Oh no, I did not go.
00:26:06
I wish I was interested in that, but I did not.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:09
I don't have it on my plan, which means I wasn't tracking that something was happening.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:14
Okay, they were doing some things around zoning.
00:26:18
Last weekend they had it somewhere, it was at Buford, I think on some Wednesday, they had it somewhere on Saturday, and they had it somewhere else earlier in the week.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:28
Do you know if they're having any more?
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:29
I don't.
00:26:32
Okay.
00:26:32
You probably go on the livable CBA website.
SPEAKER_05
00:26:35
I think they are having one more in March.
00:26:38
I can look up the date for that, but.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:26:42
Yeah.
00:26:44
Ernest, did you get to go to any of the ones that were this past week?
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:26:48
No, that was something yesterday.
00:26:50
I got an event right for something yesterday, but I didn't get a chance to listen to it.
00:26:57
It was online, though.
00:27:00
It was talking about housing.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:05
Oh, yeah, they had one last night.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:09
Yes, there's some last night.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:12
Ah, I registered for this.
00:27:13
Oh, that's a shame.
00:27:14
OK. You wasn't in the planner.
00:27:17
Shucks.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:22
So that's just the tough part is trying to make sure, you know, it's hard to attend, but it's hard to not have to know what to champion and what to get behind.
00:27:37
As far as when city council has decided to put money behind things, are they putting money behind the things that are going to make an impact and going to make an impact right now?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:27:49
Yeah.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:27:51
And that's my concern is that, I mean, it's good for us to have good information to know exactly what to, what should we champion and get behind.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:28:00
Yeah, I have that same concern just because I know all of us want to be as knowledgeable as we can before we make, try to make informed decisions.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:28:13
Right.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:28:15
But I know my knowledge only goes so deep.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:28:20
Same here.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:28:22
Yeah.
00:28:24
So I really want to rely on organizations that are doing this work, have been doing this work and try to just lift up their voices.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:28:32
Exactly.
00:28:33
Exactly.
00:28:34
I don't want to fight, you know, pushing something that they've already been in the trenches doing.
00:28:40
You know, I don't want to go against them and what they have already put in place.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:28:49
Yeah, I mean, I agree with that.
00:28:51
I do think that there's some value in having the Human Rights Commission of the city saying those same things, like lifting up those messages about what we want, for example, our zoning laws to be.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:29:20
I agree, Mary.
00:29:22
I just want to champion behind that and not be out in front as much.
00:29:27
But I think our voice is, I hope our voice will be appreciated to know that we're involved in that process.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:29:41
Mary, you had an idea to draft a letter to support the rezoning plan.
00:29:48
What might look like a process for drafting that?
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:29:51
Well, I guess first the whole commission has to say they want to do that because we didn't really have, like I just threw that out at the very end.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:02
I thought we agreed to it.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:03
We were like, yeah, that's a great idea, Mary, let's do it.
00:30:06
I'm sure there was like moral agreement, but I don't think there was like voting agreement.
00:30:11
So we would do that.
00:30:12
I mean, I'd be happy to take a first
00:30:14
Draft, I'd probably steal wantonly from the livable, seagull people who also put together a very comprehensive letter.
00:30:21
I mean, I'd be happy to take a first stab at it and circulate it.
00:30:26
Especially since you have a six hour plane ride tomorrow.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:29
That is a good point.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:31
I was thinking about after the train.
00:30:33
Oh, sure.
00:30:35
Oh, fair, fair.
00:30:36
The commission should say, yes, we want to do that.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:38
I don't have to co-opt your vacation.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:41
I already have another letter too.
00:30:43
Oh, no?
00:30:44
It is in fact six hours, so I could read more than one letter.
00:30:49
Great.
00:30:50
Sounds good.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:30:51
Yeah, I think that you're right that the decisions that we make in the retreat will inform the majority of the work that we do the rest of this year.
00:31:00
But I think that that letter is still something we would write even if we chose to focus on emergency housing instead of affordable housing more broadly.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:31:10
I could try to pull down some of the letters that have been written by other groups that we might want to reference.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:31:19
In terms of the commission process, I don't think there's anything that would prevent you from writing a letter upon which we would later vote to approve.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:31:30
Well, that's true.
00:31:31
I could write whatever I want.
00:31:33
You can write whatever you want.
00:31:35
Yes.
00:31:36
OK.
00:31:36
I will give that some thought tomorrow.
00:31:39
Excellent.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:31:40
Does anybody have anything housing related they would like to discuss or bring to the subcommittee?
00:32:04
Ernest, I think you froze a little bit.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:32:06
I like the way he's controlling San Francisco there.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:32:09
Yeah, you are hovering above the Golden Gate Bridge.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:32:13
Giant head!
00:32:17
Maybe I'll just say something positive.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:32:21
It's a really good picture.
SPEAKER_05
00:32:22
Immortalized, and we're seeing webinar forever.
00:32:27
Selfie at the end.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:32:28
Something that I think is maybe a good positive note about change in our community is that we've advocated for language access, and I think I mentioned that Ashley's been surveying department heads, like what are your language access needs, what resources do you currently have?
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:32:48
I did a fun census data poll for her to see what languages have been spoken the past two years according to census data, just a random roll-up, which is interesting.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:32:57
But housing-related, just to kind of, I think this is a nice thing to think about, is that there's also awareness there.
00:33:07
CRHA is actually translating the housing choice voucher application into various languages, like right now.
00:33:14
I know at least Swahili and a few other, I can't remember all the languages that were mentioned, but just to put that out there, like there,
00:33:25
Interesting things that are happening kind of below the surface or just below the surface that will have positive impacts that relate to the work that we care about.
00:33:32
So just putting that out there.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:36
Mary, I'm going to give you my number so you can send that to me.
00:33:45
So the first thing on the group chat will be Ernest floating above the Golden Gate Bridge.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:50
I'm going to write down my phone number.
Wolfgang Keppley
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:33:53
Official.
00:33:56
Well, since we don't have any representatives from a community engagement, I don't want to speak to their panel process without them.
00:34:20
I guess we can move into matters by the public.
00:34:23
I don't know if we have anybody online currently.
00:34:26
Remi?
00:34:27
Is there anyone online?
00:34:28
Nope.
00:34:32
All right.
00:34:32
Well, if anybody listens to this later, because sometimes I like to listen to meetings after they've occurred, you're always welcome to join us.
00:34:39
And I will adjourn this meeting at 7.01.
00:34:41
OK.
00:34:44
Thank you.
00:34:44
Thanks, y'all.
Todd Niemeier
Office of Human Rights Director, Human Rights Commission
00:34:45
Thanks, everyone.
Ernest Chambers
Vice Chair, Human Rights Commission
00:34:46
Good night, everyone.
00:34:47
See you.
Mary Bauer
Member, Human Rights Commission
00:34:47
Good night, Herman.
00:34:51
Good job getting unorganized.