Planning Commission Meeting   10/12/2021

Good evening, Lyle.

on the dot.

Any chance we'll have council at six.

That is not up to me, so I guess we will see.

Indeed, big day.

Yeah, we asked Mr. Wheeler if he's able to provide us with an update if we're going to have a timing issue, so we'll just have to wait as we get closer.

Countdown clock.

I was kind of wondering the same thing.

So what time do you all have?

4.58.

No, just my math is off.

So it's all good.

That works great.

And Missy, if you want to go ahead and audibly say that to everybody listening, that would be helpful.

We'll wait our 28 seconds and then get further into a few logistics.

Sure.

And I will be texting with Brian to see where we are with updates on council.

So I do know that for sure.

Thank you.

Russell, if you could make the motion on that, that would be fantastic.

The video cuts out and it transcripts odd.

I know a few people are working on language.

But if there are things that you already have on your mind to put into the mix, it might be good to kind of balance that timing a little.

We can do that.

We thought that might be a good milestone to keep in mind.

To the public comment?

Mm-hmm.

But that was something, just given some of our work session length times, wanted to make sure that we were conscious of that in case people needed that opportunity.

Russell.

introduce those as topics for kind of getting that straw poll from the rest of the commission.

And then that deliberation process is not going to happen until later in the meeting.

Does that make sense to you, Lyle?

I like the structure if someone wants to make that motion and vote on it.

I think the vice chair would be an ideal person to make that motion.

Rory, how many amendments do you have?

That's so many.

Do you have that itemized in bullets and can we get copies of it in bullets in email before we start the meeting?

Yeah, they should be in your inbox.

What that part of the discussion will look like, I'm not 100% sure, but it may be that that list gets a little bit compact based on some work that they've already done.

Good.

Would you want to, Mr. Linder, would you be okay with placing that in the chat and that way everyone sees that same language?

When I place it in the chat, is that for just the participants or to everyone?

That is up to you.

Well, I don't mind putting it out there.

Okay.

Excellent.

So there'll be some feedback from the consultants on that as well.

Is it possible that some of the 11 amendment suggestions are not needed because they will already be wrapped into the rezoning?

30 seconds top, but some of the others may be more substantive and would require maybe discussion.

But I don't think it's a really fair thing to do, just in principle, whether they are of merit or not.

I mean, I think in many ways, these changes are much less substantive than the text changes we've been discussing.

You know, we could go into a lot of depth on the map changes and be talking all night, and I just don't know if that's a good use of our time at this juncture.

I mean, my expectation was that all of these map changes really would not engender much, if any, opposition or even questions.

Well, I don't think we have time to talk about them or think about them or review them, frankly.

Does anyone else have language changes?

On the map?

Possible amendment language.

Did you want to chime in, Hosea?

So be ready for that.

Koch has prepared.

If I may, isn't that a change to the math that is much more substantive than the changes I'm proposing?

And the intent of that is to relax some of the anxiety in the public as it relates to that.

We could even defend discussion and only vote if you guys would like.

Are these things that you think we need to vote on or these topics you just want to raise?

At least half of them, hopefully, should be fully non-controversial.

And I mean, if there's a way to work.

Why don't we just talk about the things that are going to be different?

We just do a vote and probably a unanimous consent vote for many of them that are very small.

I think maybe we should await the presentation of the consultants who have spent some time with some of these areas too because that may have some added thought.

We could be looking at a three o'clock meeting.

Any other big ticket items that we want to be discussed, possible motions that we want to put on the board?

We have discussed, go ahead, Hosea.

But I may want to talk about general residential by-right development, three units to four, you know, one affordability, blah, blah, blah.

And you have prepared language to consider?

I'll be net.

Russell.

Maybe it would lead to a motion.

I see nine minutes on the clock.

Do we want a break or do we have anything else to discuss?

Once we get to the public hearing, that will be announced and everyone will have an opportunity to speak.

What do you want in discussion one?

I'd like to see opening comments, questions for the consultants, and discussion on opening comments.

See you in seven minutes.

Thank you.

I believe Mr. Fries can introduce the main topic.

I'm already at 6 o'clock.

Thank you very much.

5.30.

That's a good thing.

Do we have a motion on that topic?

I move to approve the consent agenda, including the inclusive of the revision to the minutes from April that I posted in the chat earlier, which was just a text edit.

Mr. Mitchell, if you would be willing to go first.

Nothing that leaves the mind.

Dell?

Rupa.

Mr. Landrup?

I don't think he's back yet.

Mr. Stolzenberg, please.

Most notably, we appointed a new permanent director, who is our interim director, Christine Jacobs.

I'm very tired.

I don't think I have any updates since last time, but thanks.

Mr. Lohedra?

Russell?

I can't even remember a committee meeting.

Mr. Freeze, can you take us away?

Creasy, do you have any updates?

So I think that is all we have.

Thank you, Chair.

You have two minutes.

After months of work and discussion, people are still unclear on some details, still uncomfortable with some of the distinctions between different categories, and still uneasy about funding.

We will have a lot of comment on the comprehensive plan, but any other topic, welcome to speak on.

Next, please.

Mary, you have two minutes.

I want to talk about the comprehensive plan, so my bad.

Next, please.

You have two minutes.

Oh, sorry.

Would zoning be considered a comprehensive plan or something else?

If you have a specific zoning issue you'd like to discuss, you are welcome to at this time.

I'm sorry, just a moment.

Are you talking about the future land use map and the comprehensive plan or are you talking about a specific zoning issue you'd like to raise?

I'm talking about a specific zone that y'all want to change and I think will be a disaster.

I really want to understand it is a distinct issue.

Talk about waking up at two o'clock in the morning to your bed shaking because the bass is so loud.

Not on issues in the comprehensive plan and future line, please.

You have two minutes.

Let's please go to the next.

And Chair, I see no other hands raised.

I believe we are- One did just pop up, Chair.

You have two minutes.

I'm sorry, Ms.

Lloyd, are you speaking on the comprehensive plan?

Yes, I am.

Thank you very much.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

Does it seem reasonable?

Thank you.

Is Council in order?

Whether we're in order is an entirely different question.

Maybe not other respects.

Mr. Freese, if you could introduce the topic.

Thank you.

Not on the comprehensive plan.

He's calling in, I believe, correct?

That's right.

And you will need to press star six to unmute with your phone.

Yes, thank you.

Sorry?

Better, thank you.

Thanks so much.

Mr. Friess, thank you very much for indulging me.

So thank you very much.

Now I'm going to invite Ron to dive more deeply into the land use piece, which we know is of great importance.

And from there, we'll go to the next slide and we'll talk a little bit more detail about inclusionary zoning and the bonus program that we're looking to incorporate within these land use districts.

So with that, I hand it back to you, Mr. Stoliath.

Mr. Mitchell.

Mr. Preece, would you?

I did not.

I assume that did help.

Mr Dell, I believe you are on mute.

I noticed that the coloration did change some, but definitely wanted to mention that.

It is written into the plan that we will be looking at, you know, how do these should be extended or reduced, you know, and that'll be a conversation with the community as well in all of those areas.

And we've had a lot of community input on those two specific neighborhoods about that sensitive delineation.

But that's just to give our perspective on it.

And also, I would rather not wait, but definitely to put an asterisk beside that.

Mr. Habab, comments and questions, please.

There's a question to you, Lyle.

How do you mean questions?

Or everybody's discussion topics that they brought up.

I think this would be a perfect time to raise them.

Thanks.

Koch, do you want to respond to any of those thoughts?

We're talking about potentially allowing that affordability bonus within the sensitive community areas, and I believe that's something that the team would be fine with adding in, but I will invite Philip Cash from HRNA to make any statements about that.

So generally should be helpful for the goals of Charlottesville set forward.

Mr. Alejandro, comments and questions, please.

Thank you.

That was very helpful.

Thank you.

Mr Cook I can't ask you to tell us everything that happened over those three hours, but if you could briefly eliminate the Commission on what was learned that would be that would be helpful.

Pardon me, I just want to make sure I understand what you're are you talking about the meeting we had yesterday and we also met with Mr Alejandro as he wasn't able to join that meeting yesterday.

And if we did have a motion to consider how that might work procedurally.

Missy, would you like to do that?

Does that help, Mr. Solla-Yates?

Does Lee Anzuel think that Jody's idea is okay, or does he think it's bad?

The team is okay with what Jody will be speaking about.

Russell, comments and questions.

Thank you.

Mr. Stolzenberg, comments and questions, please.

My big question is, what is the status of the Climate Action Plan and will we be reviewing it?

I'm looking through the collection here.

Alex would probably be the best person, but is Alex open today?

somebody representing DPW sustainability.

Nobody here.

Hildebrand is in the attendee list, and I'm sure she would not mind being elevated to panelists, Mr. Rice, to answer that question for us.

Stand by, Missy.

Thank you.

It's very important.

Rittervolt also in the attendee list in case that's an interest.

Yep.

Rittervolt also?

They are both.

Sure.

Please unmute your mics.

But Crystal should be on board.

Ritterbold is probably in the best position to answer that question.

Ritterbold, welcome.

There will be a number of engagement, outreach, feedback, opportunities, and certainly absolutely encourage and welcome the planning commission to take the opportunity to make the necessary connections with what's in the comp plan and the other tools and resources that you're working on.

Creasy?

I think Mr. Freese has some additional feedback to provide.

Mr. Freese, sorry.

Now, I may be stepping on toes, and so I'm acknowledging that right now, but I'll say that and say that what I'll commit to is having a conversation about that pathway.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If it does not make it, if those conversations don't end with that outcome, I would hope that we would at least have a work session on it to bring it here and discuss how it relates to our goals and our plans, even if we are not making an explicit recommendation.

Please have a good evening.

I mean, this is not about the flum, it's about our environmental chapter, but at some point we really need to do it, especially if we're anticipating many new stoves and heating elements that may be gas or electric.

phasing related discussions that we need to explore.

Thank you.

Mr. Palmer, can I have comments and questions on these issues?

Thank you.

Councillor Hill, would you be willing to share some comments and questions?

just repeat myself, but certainly appreciate the weigh-ins from the commissioners as we prepare for this to consider for council.

Councillor Payne.

And again, all that, the specific one question I have is during the zoning rewrite process, will there be opportunities to look more at general residential in terms of are there areas that aren't insensitive areas that we may have missed and are there opportunities to extend affordability requirements that might be more, allow us to get more affordable housing?

Short answer for you.

Thank you.

And so that's that's my only understanding.

Would you like to share some comments or questions?

We made a very big commitment and this plan is an important part of that and that we're also able to follow through with what we're putting down on paper.

Councillor Snook, could you please share questions and statements?

I do think, however, it would be wiser to not put them in there for right now, but to acknowledge that that's going to be part of the tweaking.

There's a lot there.

And I think I'll leave it at that, although I will ask, Ron, would you like to add anything to that?

I think you covered our thoughts fairly clearly.

Dell, please.

Thank you.

Mr. Stolzenberg, please.

Are we doing it backwards and should have done the zoning ordinance first?

Can you repeat that please?

So my question is, is that what is considered good planning practice that is done elsewhere, or is it more common to put the zoning before the future land use map in the comp plan, or to do them all together, or something else entirely?

Missy or James, I will give you the first shot if you'd like to respond to that.

And I think Mr. Einzweiler had a comment, but he seems to have stepped away.

Leigh, did you want to say anything?

However, I will openly admit that once we have worked out the zoning categories and worked out a draft of the zoning map, we may see that we need changes in the future land use map.

Good question.

Let's take a five-minute recess, take care of ourselves, and then return for public comment, please.

And I believe we are back.

But for this discussion space to work, we must be respectful of each other.

Mr. Rice, can we please begin?

Please unmute.

Thank you for listening.

Next, please.

You have two minutes.

Thank you.

Next, please.

You have two minutes.

expensive housing situation that exists in Charlottesville and the whole country. We're not unique in the expensive housing situation, but we would be unique in trying to work towards more equality, equity using land trust as a major tool. It's been proven successful in other areas. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next, please. Next up we have Ellen Contini-Morava followed by Bill Emory. Ellen, you're on with the Planning Commission. You have two minutes. Thank you very much.

Having changing zoning to buy right instead of special use permit looks like open season for developers and a pious hope for affordability.

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