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No, I think you, Chip, there, so, and then I'll only, I'm going to just read this one, because this is another one, building leaders, not just themselves, there was concern about what, if you remove all of those specialized departments, like SWAT, Jade, they don't have anything to move up into, so their understanding of policing was being challenged, they didn't see room for growth, and