Housing Advisory Committee Meeting   7/21/2021

There we go.

So, let me see.

I'm gonna call this meeting to order.

This is the July City of Charlottesville Housing Advisory Committee regular monthly meeting.

I will note by I, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, there are at least 10 voting members present.

which means we have a quorum.

Unless somebody objects to my arithmetic, I'm gonna declare a quorum.

Hearing no objection, we have a quorum.

Welcome everyone.

We have both some guest stars this month and new membership.

So before we really get fully underway, I think a full round of introductions is in order.

and we'll go around to the sort of regular players here and then we can turn our attention to the new faces, if that makes sense to everybody.

Great.

Sunshine?

Sunshine Mathon, executive director of Piedmont Housing Alliance.

Joy?

Oh, hi, I'm Joy Johnson.

Hi, intern.

Steve Stokes with Jeff Snerig, one for Aging, Asset Manager.

Anthony.

Right, and Brenda, are you with us?

You just dropped out.

Yes, I'm here.

My name is John Sales.

I am here.

I'm Stacey Peppy.

Welcome back.

So we've got two new members of the HAC reporting for duty.

Here you are.

Sorry.

Bypass me.

I hope it's nothing intentional.

My name is S. Lisa Herndon.

I am the real estate representative.

I'm sitting on the board.

My full time job is a real estate agent.

I'm representing the Charlottesville Area Association of Realtors.

Yes, ma'am.

My apologies.

No, it was not deliberate.

Again, back to where we were.

We've got two new members.

Juan Diego Wade, who is known to many of us, has actually appointed a little earlier in the year, but has been battling scheduling demons.

But welcome, sir.

Thank you.

Juan Diego Wade with the City of Charlottesville School Board.

Good to have you with us.

And then the new developer appointee of council, Gary Palmer.

And this is his introduction to the group.

How you doing?

Good to be here.

How much do you want to know, Phil?

Just brief, I'm the developer, been here 15 years.

Hope to be a resident here in Charlottesville for the next 15, 20 years.

Great, thanks.

And then also joining us, we have our almost freshly minted deputy city manager, Ashley Marshall, and our absolutely freshly minted deputy city manager, Sam Sanders.

Welcome.

And Sam will actually have oversight of NDS and the HACS doings as well.

So I welcome both of you here.

We have minutes from the last meeting that were distributed.

Motion and a second.

Is there any discussion?

Great.

Aye.

All right.

Okay.

Let's see further on housekeeping.

The hearkening back to our antepenultimate meeting where we discussed at the city treasurer's request a update to the design of the

the tax abatement program, the rehabilitation tax abatement program that his office imparted ministers.

The policy subcommittee was tasked at taking a deeper dive at that.

Ridge, who is not here today, has but did let me know that he wants to try to set a meeting for the 11th, Wednesday the 11th to take the second round at that.

So if you all could note your calendars, we'll make that official as soon as that's practical to make official.

We may also take up other business that may fall before the subcommittee.

And since he is the chair of that committee and the co-chair, Dan Rosensweig, are not present, I'm sure they will volunteer for all sorts of tasks that we can assign to them today.

So that's that.

Joining us today for the sort of main topic

of discussion is to talk about how to plan to implement, how to plan to plan to implement the affordable housing plan, I guess is where we are at this point.

Our deputy city managers, Ashley Marshall and Sam Sanders, as this discussion proceeds from members of the public, if you

We will pause at various points for public comment as we go.

Just sort of raise your hand and I believe Erin and I can both recognize in turn and we'll try to make this as inclusive as we can.

But the impetus for this topic is, well,

Now that we have an agreed upon in principle affordable housing plan, now what do we do?

How do we approach this?

And where do we start?

And how do we organize getting it started and implementation?

And how do we start looking at it?

And that's sort of the purpose of this meeting, which I think will be fairly high level and fly over it.

But we'd like to sort of discuss how we can contribute to that implementation and our thoughts on it and how we can organize this, particularly as we all know, all of us, including city staff, more than have their hands full with all of the tasks around this moment.

and there isn't a whole lot of spare bandwidth.

And with that, I'd like to sort of hand off for a few minutes to Sam Sanders if he has any sort of initial thoughts.

Sure.

So first, let me just say thank you for the opportunity to speak with you all today.

And so far, I'm beginning to build relationships with a few of you because you've been in a couple of meetings with me already and look forward to setting some time.

to get in touch with each of you and learn a little bit more about your various perspectives here in the city.

As we kind of prepared for this conversation, and because I'm in absorption mode, just learning everything that I possibly can being the sponge that I'll be probably for the next few months, looking at where we stand with the affordable housing plan and implementation of it, just wanted to give you a couple of highlights.

One kind of related but a little bit different is our number one priority that I was given the day I walked in.

And honestly, I'll tell you maybe 45 days before I arrived, number one priority was filling the NDS position.

That's been what has consumed some of that time last week being the first week.

I'm happy to report that we have completed that process of having selected a candidate and an offer will be made as soon as I get off this call with you today.

So we hopefully will have that accepted shortly and then have some timeline for when our new director will arrive in the city and begin doing the big work reimagining NDS, which is what we are calling it.

That I just thought I'd share.

I felt like you all will be interested in that just to know that that process has moved very quickly.

We do have the housing coordinator position that is vacant.

I need to immediately start working on how we're going to handle prioritizing that and getting that staff allocation made and getting that filled.

So that'll be where some of my attention will move to very shortly.

and then in addition to that you all may have heard if you saw city council meeting on Monday that we are in the process of executing an agreement with HRNA to do a study of our affordable housing effort to date.

I think that is really important.

I think the timing of doing that is very critical to where we are with having our affordable housing plan and needing to look at how do we implement

It'd been nice if we had done this some time ago, I must admit that if we had done that a while back and really knew where we stood, it would make kind of prioritizing this implementation a little bit better, more informed.

So I'm excited about being able to get the information.

I recognize that we're all anxious about moving forward and getting some traction.

But I guess the key thing we have to point out is, as it relates to the affordable housing plan, we don't have the money yet.

So there's that $10 million allocation that we are all excited about.

Being able to say that we're going to receive it every year has not yet been realized.

So it's going to take that happening before the real implementation can begin and critical to the effort of the housing office in leading this work.

is getting the share of that 10 million that will then help add capacity so that we can lead the implementation.

So just pointing out the facts is where we are, just helping you all see that I have looked broadly at where we are and what we need to do.

But we'll push those conversations as best as we can to see how we can

Help City Council and the City Manager do the work of identifying when those funds will become available, when we will be able to have access to set funds, and then how do we go forward with getting our capacity in place so that we can implement.

I thought if you all had not seen the HRNA agreement or had not heard any details about it, I would just give you some quick highlights as to what it is that we're asking them to do so that you can appreciate the analysis that we're gonna do for past work and that will help inform how we go forward with implementation.

I thought it just seemed like it would make sense since we're looking back, if I would just share with you what that look back entails.

So it is a,

It's a $165,000 contract.

They have two significant task force.

They're broken down into a three to four month period for task one and a three to five month period for task two, but it's probably going to be a lot longer than that once they start digging into getting the details and even making all the nuts and bolts connect.

Task one is looking at our past allocation summary, looking at our past production summary as well.

So when or less building that for us with or building that with us, how many units were constructed, how many units were preserved, and how many units have been maintained.

Coming up with some procedure recommendations, so our NOFA process, reviewing that with us and giving some feedback on how we do it today, how should that change and how can we make sure that we're really utilizing best practices.

A total RFP process.

What is exactly the way we do it?

Is there a better way to do it?

Is there more steps in the process?

I can share with you that I appreciate already just in some of performance issues and relating to some of the grants that we've made.

We probably could do a better job communicating on the front end so that we then could meet expectations on the back end.

So this will be part of that process that they'll take a look at that as well.

And naturally, we're looking for any tools that they can bring to our conversation.

and the best practices that they can highlight for us.

Task two is really the longer, deeper dive.

And then they're gonna be working on these separately.

So inclusionary zoning program to help us design what that could potentially be.

It may not necessarily be the Charlottesville inclusionary zoning program that they're gonna give us.

They're gonna give us examples, give us ideas, and then we're gonna have to make some of those harder decisions ourselves

in consultation with Planning Commission and Council, but ultimately looking at what various incentives need to be made available, what incentives have we tried that may not have worked, what incentives we can bring to our mix, but basically building our toolbox.

They'll also be looking at policy development.

So we're going to be looking at what are some additional things that can be done that city council can enact that will help promote the tenants of what the affordable housing plan is seeking to achieve.

And then of course, making a variety of recommendations to us on what things we need to be looking at.

Ideally, we'll hear from them.

I suspect a number of different things that we may or may not take just based on the recommendation.

And then the last part of that task two is policy finalization and implementation.

So they're going to work with us as we work through the decisions that we've made about what policies they'll continue to advise.

So that as we're crafting those various documents, then we have their technical advice to help us ensure that we're not missing anything in helping to identify any gaps or loopholes that might exist in how we intend to implement.

They'll be looking at the policy piece.

They'll work with staff and council as we need them.

And that'll help us just kind of make some decisions on what the framework looks like.

And then of course, one of the other things we'll be looking to them to do is to help us look at staff allocation.

and how we can support this implementation.

So that gives you the high level of what it is that we're looking for in regards to this study.

I did have a chance to look at it a few weeks back before I'd even started to give Chip a reaction to what he was thinking about authorizing to be done.

And I definitely felt like it needed to be done because it was one of my questions.

I said, hey, give me a summary of what we've done.

And the response was, we can't.

So that being the reality, that is why we're doing this.

So for anyone who needs to make themselves comfortable with the idea that we're spending this money, and if it's being spent for a good reason, that is the reason we cannot tell our story.

And anyone who knows the work that we do in this space, the only way that you get the additional investments is to be able to tell the story of what you've done, and then go along with that what you want to do.

So this will give us a chance to really craft our story in the most

intentional way of being able to figure out how then we can bring additional partners to the table as well.

Right.

Thank you, sir.

Um, so, um, so just clarification, this is, um, the trigger has been pulled.

We're starting this essentially now.

It has been presented.

Yeah, I wanted to thank you, Sam.

As Lyle just pointed out, it's deeply refreshing to have, you know, focused and responsive reflection back from the city on this work.

So thank you.

I wanted to touch base a bit on the current draft of the

It's approved.

So the final draft of the Charlottesville affordable housing plan and specifically recognizing that there's a long list of recommendations in there, some of which are directly connected to the work you just laid out.

And so recognizing that those are going to be pushed off a bit until we get that information, get that work done.

There are some, I think there are other things that probably can be started also in parallel that are not necessarily dependent on the input from those, from the consultants.

I also want to acknowledge that, you know, Sam and Ashley, you know, you're coming into this and there's a sense of urgency and at the same time, you know, wanting to give this space and time for that absorption that you talked about, Sam,

but we also don't want to lose time during this opportunity too.

So one of the things that has been circling around in my own thinking is that I think it would be great on some level to have, whether it's a spreadsheet or something, some way of tracking each single line item recommendation and to put a proposed timeline and responsibility on each of those things because some of those are going to fall

to the hack.

Some of those are going to fall to staff.

Some are going to fall to consultants.

It's going to be a range of things.

And I think in the interest of transparency and further progress, I think it would behoove us all to have a comprehensive map of when we think and aim for these topics to be discussed.

One, so we don't discuss topics that aren't ready to be discussed yet and waste our time.

Two, so that we are staying focused on those things we can make change and implement now.

Yeah, actually,

I think Sunshine, you're next going to tell us that you spent your summers in college as a Carney mind reader.

That was sort of exactly what was on my mind.

sort of how do we track and organize the tracking of what's happening and fully recognizing that the priority that the heavier lift items that involve larger dollars, even if they are more important, there are quote, and more critical in some ways, there are things that can be done that as long as we can do them, we can do them.

that are not to say easy, but we have enough of the pieces that we can make some forward progress, even if they're not the most important critical things that have to be done.

Well, we can't do those nine things, but here are three things that we can stand up and start shoving around pretty quickly.

So I agree that that's useful.

I was just going to say that definitely sounds good to me.

I think we can we can spend some time pulling that together and begin drafting something and circulate that to everyone and kind of let you all weigh in on format for that.

And so, Sam, for me, part of

What I'm always advocating for and will continue to advocate for is that we have, so I hope this, I hope that they will also show what has not been done.

because that is important.

There's a lot to show that has been done, but there's a lot that has not been done.

And also affordability for people between 50% and below all the way to zero needs to also be addressed.

So that's, again, you know, there's a lot of 60% and above that is being built and being talked about in our community.

But then there is a different population that seems to fall through the cracks, which is 50%, 40%, 30%, 20%, 30%, 10%, 0%.

Sure.

And I can appreciate that.

I definitely share your sentiment of being able to drill down.

I think if we're going to spend this money on a consultant to take a look at our history here, then they should be able to break it all the way down for us and show us what we contracted for, what we received, and most definitely what did we not receive.

And then of course, then that gives us something else that we need to focus on, on how do we

So Sunshine having framed it and Sam having jumped in on it, what do we think that looks like?

This timeline list.

How do we break this apart?

Is it worth it to look at the current implementation snapshot which I reviewed this morning?

And I'll say that, you know, there's that old saying that the first casualty of battle is the plan.

in terms of the order of implementation on Snapshot.

Is it worth taking a look at that?

Are we not ready to even start talking about that?

I guess what I'm thinking that we could potentially do, and I don't know if the team that will be working with me, I don't know, anyway, they'll be ready to start, you know, there he goes giving us stuff to do.

So here we go, here's something for us to do.

What if maybe a couple of you would volunteer to kind of be a little subcommittee with me and Brenda specifically,

and I'll determine whether Alex, work with Alex and Erin determine what involvement they may have.

Let's get together and then see if we can come up with what this looks like just as a version from what exists, taking a look at the recommendations and just kind of putting it into a format where I'd have a couple of other sets of eyes to look at it with me.

And then we bring you back a draft of what that is.

We could probably circulate that draft before

Consider me.

I think we have a,

That's why I asked for a couple.

Right.

OK.

but we can figure that out.

Phil, I'll circle back to you and I'll let you.

We'll get that organized, sounds great.

Okay, that'll work.

I think we can get this done probably in short order.

Okay, good deal.

So any other thoughts on how to best approach this in the immediate terms, any sort of glaring items that we think need to be brought forward

that don't involve large sums of money that we don't yet have.

I mean, there are a couple of pieces of low-hanging fruit in this plan that we can actually implement, I think, ahead of where their suggestion was.

Yes, sir.

So I'm looking at the affordable housing plan on the side of the screen here.

And some of the things are directly related to the scope of the consultants and the question of dollars, those sorts of things.

But there are also other topics such as tenant rights that will require work in partnership with Legal Aid, in partnership with potentially other entities as well.

and I just wanna highlight that as you work on this sort of breakdown of all the potential, not the potential, the things that need to happen, that we don't lose those in the mix.

That is the full list of all the recommendations from tenants rights, land use, governance, funding, et cetera.

Just the full comprehensive nature of it.

And Sunshine, you don't have to worry about those getting lost because generally those areas will end up being my areas and I'm a bit of a needler when it comes to that work.

So please know that I have also reviewed this and noticed the heavy emphasis on racial equity and inclusive government, which would fall under my wheelhouse in collaboration with Sam and his team.

So they are not forgotten.

Yeah, pretty much just piggybacking on that, seeing

As well as seeing in the plan the things that are had shorter timelines to do, as others said previously, if there are ways that we could sort of prioritize things that we can take action on the short term.

And then the second thought I had is just trying to fully incorporate because it's more time sensitive, a sense of our low income housing tax credit properties that have affordability periods ending and we may not have

You know, the money right away to fully handle that, but to get a sense of, you know, what those hard deadlines are.

So we're at least beginning a process of, is there any action plan to prevent the loss of affordable units in these low-income housing tax credit properties?

Great.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Michael, I want to piggyback on that for a minute because it's true that the local jurisdiction, the city itself, as we go through looking at those potential opportunities and risks, that there's going to be limited funds at the local level.

But I do want to highlight some very focused advocacy that's happening at the state level right now that I think

Anyone who wants to weigh in would be welcome.

And in particular, if the city wants to take a position in support as well, that would probably be welcome.

And what that is, is that a number of organizations and advocacy groups are advocating that 10% at a minimum of the 4.3 billion ARPA allocation to the state be dedicated to surge funding for affordable housing preservation and development over the next three years.

So that equates to $430 million, which is an enormous bucket of funds.

Right now, the governor has announced that portions of the $4.3 billion, he's already announced that some of his priorities, it has not included the housing portion yet.

But DHCD has put forth their budget proposal.

which includes actually 500 million out of the 4.3 billion for affordable housing preservation and development.

Yeah, so, and then there are some, I think a lot of this also is gonna, in terms of the timeline formulations, frankly, it is all interdependent.

It's just, it's about bodies and staff bandwidth for a lot of this.

And, you know, absent a housing coordinator and people and the devoted, devoting the time for that and a fully fleshed out staffing arrangement,

A lot of this is going to be hard to get out of the blocks.

Yeah, I'll say you're reading my mind on that one because that ultimately is what I'm thinking is that this will be the document that I then get to go and kind of prove my point when I make additional requests for resources to be allocated.

I think this is absolutely what I've got to do in order to pull that off.

I've got a couple of further thoughts, but I can hold them.

Any further thoughts on how we might inbound data and look at this from our own particular perspectives?

I mean, I really think that in some respects, and I'm a recovering academic and I'm a historian by training, my almost desperate need to get a coherent narrative to how we got to where we are really is, until we have that, it's almost an impediment on how to move forward.

Not to mention the effort of reinventing the wheel,

The other thing I'll note is that I think there are probably a couple of things, some of which I probably can't think of right now, that we want to make sure are also on that list of line items that are not necessarily addressed directly in the plan.

And the one example that I can think of at the moment is the stalled landlord incentive program around accepting Section 8 vouchers.

And we've been stuck in limbo there because of lack of staff capacity.

And then connected to that, there is also one around a tenant education program.

Again, that's about moving the things up and down in terms of priority.

I mean, one example is the particular debt horse I drag out every other month, which is the land bank, which they have on a three year track, but we have it 98% done.

Sam and I and Brenda could sit down, clean up the last set of notes on that, then spend a certain period of time stalking somebody in the city's attorney's office to get their attention for a little bit on that and then get it back to council.

Prior council approved the thing subject to X, Y, and Z changes.

We've got X, Y, and Z changes made.

Prior councils approved it.

Hey, current council.

Okay, yeah I think, I mean ultimately I do think that's what the categorizing of all this will be helpful to do that because what it does then is it allows us to attach regardless of where the plan is now that we're going to be focused on implementation we may be editing the timeline for sure on a lot of these different items that we can assign long term, you know, long mid and short term and then be able to start working them

Accordingly, and making sure that even the long-term items are getting the attention that they're going to need to.

So I'm, I'm excited about what I think this will do for where we are.

Yes, I would definitely like to continue the practice of prior to going to council, you bring whatever suggestions or drafts that you have.

Welcome, Frank.

So,

Is there anything further on how to organize this topic now that's productive or do we really need to sort of drill down in a smaller group here to frame this?

Is there a sense that we've got a consensus on where we want to go here?

So I will, the one thing I would say, Sam, and I know that we will be having some meetings with you is that right now CRHA is doing their, my chair is falling, CRHA is doing

Redevelopment right now on their properties.

There are people in this community who feels like public housing is not a success, but we don't think so.

And redoing our public housing, it's not just public housing.

We're also making sure that there are affordable housing that is also built, like increasing what we have.

We can only, as you know, being in the housing industry, we cannot build anymore ACC units, but we can preserve the ACC units we have.

However, building more affordable housing, using tax credit and philanthropies is something

that we definitely would like to make absolutely sure that we're also looking at because it can be done.

We're doing it now, you know, we have South First Street that's being built on one of our occupied land.

And then in phase two of our public housing, we have 12 women in the community who actually designed their community, how they would like to see their community still working on what goes in there and

And also, it was one other point I wanted to make and it went up my head.

But anyway, I want to make absolutely sure that that is also something that we're talking about because it can be done.

and that it's not just our ACC units that we're preserving.

We're also, because it went from 58 units to 113, plus we're getting six or three brand new units.

That's making more units available for people who can't afford it and making sure that they're affordable for people.

So just want to make sure that is also in the conversation, Mr.

Sales.

is on here now, but the Housing Authority really needs some support in making sure that we can provide, still provide affordable housing for a certain sector of our population.

And Sunshine is doing the same thing over there, Sunshine.

Thank you, Ms. Joy.

Yeah, and I do just want to say I appreciate the comments, Joy.

That is, I mean, I've been in this housing space for quite some time, and it's about opportunities for everyone.

So I'm definitely looking at it that way and want to see how we prioritize making sure that those opportunities make it in each direction on that scale of income.

Okay.

I just wanted to share, I just posted in the chat, a recent study on property tax reform in Charlottesville.

Perfect, thank you, sir.

Great.

Very excited, great.

I mean, typical to get very excited about tax reform.

I applaud you, sir.

to demonstrate excitement.

Let me pull in the general public.

Are there any comments here on our general push of this conversation?

I think we've sort of covered the basics of what we're gonna try to accomplish in the very near term with this plan, but folks who may have an interest in comments from the public.

Okay, great.

My name is Adrienne.

I live in the city and I was just, I think you all are having great conversations.

I love the way you're affirming each other and already one step ahead seems like in your thinking.

Lyle, you mentioned a link in the chat and it's not visible to the public audience.

I have posted- It can always be shared within the minutes that is public, that is on the city site where you go to the minutes and the agenda.

Oh, I think Ashley fixed it in chat.

Yes, great.

Thank you.

Terrific.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I want to say that I appreciate being able to speak for a few minutes.

And I don't know about you all, but I haven't been doing a hack meeting for a little while, but I see a new energy.

I see a little re-energization coming.

I'm very enthused about what you all are talking about.

I certainly hear what Ms. Johnson is talking about and, you know, certainly see some

initiatives going on and I'm just really excited to hear more about this consultant and the housing plan and just hope they come in with some mid 21st century ideas instead of the mid 20th century ideas since that's fading in the past and certainly will support you all in your endeavors as they go forward.

Thank you, ma'am.

Yes, I think I can, speaking for myself, I'll say that, and I'm sure that many of us felt this way, that as 2020 wore on, it sort of ground everybody down a bit, regardless on energy for everything.

But yes, indeed, and I'm happy to see it as well.

So anything else on the side of the public?

All right.

Hi, this is Christine Jacobs.

I'm the interim director over at the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission.

And I just want to personally welcome Deputy Manager Sanders and Deputy Manager Marshall, and let you guys remind you guys that the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission sees housing as a regional issue.

And we are looking forward to working with you all and the HAC on

Thank you very much.

I'll point out that the affordable housing plan does make mention of regionalizing a lot of the activity here, but it also pushes back the dates on that to the latter half of the plan as opposed to the forward half.

And that's which I look at a little dubiously myself.

Sure.

Good.

The PDC was awarded a $50,000 planning grant, the Virginia Eviction Reduction Pilot Planning Grant, and it's to help collect eviction data, analyze that data, and create a comprehensive work plan for how to better coordinate

services related to eviction prevention.

We have issued the RFPs.

We have contracted or are this week contracting with our two consultants and we had a kickoff meeting at the beginning of this week with the advisory committee for that initiative.

It'll be in three different parts.

Try to remember them off the top.

The first one is

with UVA Equity Center, and they will be doing the dive into the court records for all of the eviction cases for the past three years.

The second part of it will be led by the city, and that'll be to create a plan for outreach to landlords.

And the third portion will be looking at all of the agencies that are related to eviction prevention, looking at their policies and procedures, and seeing if there's opportunities for coordination

Thanks, Christine, just to build on that just for a moment, that $50,000 planning grant, we were awarded and by we it was just kind of a collective effort, we were awarded with the goal that we would then apply for a full implementation grants offered by Virginia Housing

that RFP will go out in October and November at the end of this year.

And then Sunshine, just quick correction, it's DHCD, not Virginia Housing.

And also the previous round, they had one previous round of implementation grants and those awards were anywhere from 200,000 to just over a million.

So it's a significant amount of funding for implementation and getting all of our agencies working together on this.

Thank you, ma'am.

So.

I do wanna mention before that Sunshine had the opportunity to present the sort of suggestions in Ray the land use map and the affordability overlay to the planning commission for those of you who hung in to the end of that meeting.

And it was, I think it's safe to say that it was very well received.

in general.

And I'm hopeful there.

That's, of course, another large piece of this land use map, the Affordable Housing Plan.

And I'm not sure what's next in that category.

I'm amused.

All right, any further matters that we need to discuss at this time?

Any further matters from the public?

Anything else that I've missed?

Okay, I'll sort of recap that Deputy Manager Sanders and I will connect on forming an ad hoc subcommittee to chat about how to structure this thing to be circulated.

August 11 is a planned subcommittee meeting to revisit the treasurer's tax abatement redesign update request.

We'll also probably touch on this topic as well.

As has been our practice in Zoom world, we're just going to ship out to the entire HAC, the Zoom meeting, I think, members of the subcommittee and otherwise.

It's just simpler to do that since we had a large attendance to our subcommittee meetings anyway.

And I think that covers the waterfront.

And have I forgotten anything?

I guess not.

I have been.

So on what month is this?

This is July.

July 7th, the Board of Supervisors approved the new housing policy for the county.

We are working on how we can start implementing the various activities that are in there.

There are a few that have a delayed implementation until we come up with a developer incentive package for affordable housing.

And we are currently working with developers to figure out what that might look like.

So we're hoping that that will be on board soon.

Part of what we are looking at is how much capacity we have in the county housing wise.

We do have a housing office but they manage the housing choice voucher programs so according to HUD regulations they can't really help me out any.

So that's one of the first things we're looking at.

But that said, the housing office is working on looking at landlord incentives, a landlord orientation program for the voucher program, and an outreach program to attract more landlords to housing choice vouchers.

We are looking at, like I said, the incentive program and then really starting to collect the data that has not really been collected well over the years.

So really figuring out that what's it's going to look like, how to post that on the website in an easily digestible and accessible manner so that there is a constant update of how things are progressing along.

And that's where we are today.

Thank you, ma'am.

Okay.

Any further business before this committee at this time?

We have a second to that motion.

We have a third, apparently.

Any discussion?

Aye.

Anybody opposed?

Aye.

Thank you very much.

We're out of here in just under an hour.

We'll connect very soon, Ray, this subcommittee.

And see you on the 11th.

Thank you all.

Welcome, Gary.

I'll say something next time.