Board of Equalization Meeting   8/14/2025

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The speaker isn't going through, but I've already checked our microphone, and I've ensured that we don't have everybody.

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We have two sets of previous minutes to approve, yes.

On this one, should the date here match May 1?

We can prove it based on that being corrected.

will be recording now.

We are recording, yes.

You can start to my right, please.

Jack Jewett, District.

Bob Beard, Samuel Miller, District.

OK. We have a quorum here based on four of the members being practical.

Correct.

Not May 1st.

We had a May 1st and a May 12th meeting, but both of those have been approved.

Oh, all right.

The ones I sent in the email would have been

Anybody having further, first, does everyone agree with that revision, and second, are there any other provisions or corrections to the minutes?

I've changed that in the document.

So help God.

I do.

Mr. Schiemann, you have the opportunity to bring to the presentation, after which there will be a rebuttal and then a short period if you want to offer a rebuttal.

Do you want me to do it again?

Is this a new submission or all this information that previously submitted?

I submitted this.

So is there something different or?

So, I'll stop and then I'll stop at the county seat.

Any questions for Mr. Sheehan?

And if not, why not?

Any other questions?

Do I understand correctly that they're not threefold bathrooms analysis of today?

There are two full baths and two half baths.

So there were no baths added during the renovation?

But I think it's important that you hear the county first, but then I will be happy to answer the question.

OK, we're ready to hear from Calvin.

Actually, I'm going to let Louis explain his car or relate his conversation with the contractor because I thought it was very revealing because it was nine, ten years ago.

So I think that's, you know, sometimes we have to make assumptions when we're in the field that we just can't see something and that's the judgment that I made when I was there.

You had to do some searching to find it.

It didn't show an actual contractor name, but it was in the fees section, it showed the contractor.

but we changed data because we found out new stuff about this property and it seems like we're always finding something out new about the property without, and I'll agree with the statement, probably nothing has changed on this property in nine years since the renovation in 2016 except it getting older but we never really knew what it was, what the description of this property was, so.

Can I ask you a question?

Absolutely.

So he was explaining the benefit to me.

So I don't know what it's based on.

Let's do the whole idea.

It was in the applicant packet?

Sales was Edmond Forest and Green's Dogs, at least each was Edmond, I think, in some packages.

The average per square foot value or price, whichever one of that is, of those homes will be less than his because his is higher grade.

Have there been any smaller houses and less quality houses in Edmond Forest?

Yes, yes, absolutely.

Are they new?

There are a lot of smaller homes in Ednam Forest, absolutely.

So I would push back on that but I would like to put something.

As he's saying, his property was assessed at $518 a square foot.

Was that based on what you think the square footage is or what he's saying the square footage is?

I'm not sure, but I can calculate what ours is.

Marketably different than all but one of those properties.

Well, we need to make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

A 10 acre property is not comparable to a 1.2 acre, even if you think that the house is magnificent.

We need to compare your assessment with your number of square foot, not his number.

It is $444.54.

That's what you have as a property accessible right now?

I would say that there are some houses that are comparable in their grade and size to the houses in Ednam Forest.

Location, location.

Absolutely.

So that's what gives Edna more value than Dunmore.

It might actually be a little bit lower than that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So there was nothing particular about this property.

No.

That your next year, this 25, it will be a $14,000 upgrade in

And we are talking about a built-in whole house generator, 24 kilowatts.

You're allowed to use 20, 23 sales in your assessment.

So if you don't do that, though, you're really undervaluing the property if you go back further in time.

Well, all the comps that you have were from 2024.

It says for comps.

It says there were five sales in 2024, so I'm assuming they're all from 2024.

And then the Glen M1 shows the res factor of one.

I think we're a little over time, so give us a little bit of time, which I think was too exciting.

So I turn to you, thank you.

Of the document that you presented us today.

You were on a move for me to present the presentation?

So these were taken by you in the last month or two months?

I'm not a professional photographer.

Is this the first floor of the garage drywall through the interior?

There's water up there that runs to a spigot for me to wash the tub.

A spigot in the interior of the first floor.

but there's water running through the garage.

And where does it turn on the interior of the garage?

because the water line comes in from the front of the property and then enters the house basement and they must have brought it out as they were doing the construction to a pipe that runs out of the two options.

Okay, and so is it terminating with like a spigot or a faucet or is it just like getting closed off in my pet's pipe?

I do know of a pet's pipe and there's just an outdoor spigot and a moss and I don't have

And was there ever a plan to include a half bath or a full bath upstairs?

And yes, there were several clients, cost-restorating, time goes short, we needed to move in, we sold our other home, and things were stopped.

Okay, and so is there a framing upstairs for a bathroom?

Is there any drywall done anywhere else there?

So there's no drywall anywhere along the studs on the second floor of the house?

No, and I'm not 100% sure what we mean by stops, but I'm not a contractor.

So it's impossible for Lewis to have seen drywall through the window on the one second floor, right?

And if you find there are deep windows, window casements, but those weren't finished.

Okay, so is the interior of the windows turned out?

Some of them actually came to play.

So are they wood studs or are they plywood crests instead of steel at all?

There's some plywood on the envelope floor, but they're mostly just wood beams.

And the trim is secured in some of the beams.

It's about 100.

So the picture that you gave us here looks to be kind of towards the area where the roofline slopes down into the corner, right?

That's why the picture.

The black conduit?

It's not black.

Let me just see.

It doesn't actually do the report.

And so then on this picture directly above it, there's two heat pumps and a mini-split, right?

They're all on the side or in the back as well.

So which part of the house is the mini-slip covered?

Bedroom area, the instruments.

So there's no, that's not an en suite bath in the big area that, or former garage, there's no bathroom there?

No.

Would there ever have been a good bathroom there?

What she intended and what was done there, there were both of them.

the porch that they've kind of finished the area.

I don't walk in the middle of anything.

I mean, it's maybe the reason I didn't see it, because you didn't have a lot of access to the house.

Those points are not correct because that's part of the principle of use, and it's a problem.

So in the fourth round that you challenged the assessment of the house, were you aware that this sort of footage was wrong?

But that's okay.

So there weren't even any inspectors reports from the building permit, correct?

Correct.

That's all we want to know.

lost the fees, gave the fees, and followed the processes of the county, including some of the overlapping documents that Mr. Lynch was taking down in his session.

You're saying that you moved in and told you you could move in.

Who is Mr. Dennis?

She never received a certificate about him, say a written certificate.

I don't exactly know, but it was quite some time ago.

Well, if the county permit system says you didn't get one, do you have any basis to oppose that record?

I mean, I don't know what the, we follow the permits, the permit funds were paid at an English school project.

So is this where the duct runs from the garage into the breezeway and then into the house?

I know there's some things that are running before and there's some things that run above.

Just seems curious to put HDFC that far away from the area of the heating or cooling efficiency loss from the moment we started biking it all the way.

If something leaks out through that pipe, I can't say, it does not get as full, I'm sorry, as pulled upstairs in the winters as with the- Because if they had the mini-splitters on the far end of the garage, right?

yes there's no HVAC in their garage they're not going to have a duct work there that's the air handler is going to be in the attic of the house or in the attic of a cool or heated space and yes there will be pipes to go from the outside unit into the area but it's not going to be a duct running there because the duct is what what brings the heat and the cool air since there is no heater or heated or cooled air in the garage they wouldn't need that duct there

I want to presume it's related to Eddy Shaff, but I'm not hoping that there's no food there.

Is that the difference from the assessment?

Well, originally, I think the question was just a disagreement with the assessment, even before we increased it based on the assessment.

And you think that that upstairs room has another bathroom and heating and cooling, right?

Correct.

Is that possible?

If I can convince you of that, at least I appreciate the opportunity to be heard.

I'll second that.

The assessor's assessment is affirmed.

Thank you, absolutely.

You tell me who you would like to have go in with somebody.

You go right to the...

Bill didn't count out, but he reaches the rest of us.

My office will contact you with whatever he gives us.

We don't know what's in the South.

One picture showing this entire second floor can easily, you can see the windows everywhere you would expect them to be, that would tell the truth.

Maximize the value of the house separate from the assessment process.

Thank you.

Are there any other matters to take up before we begin?

And I just want to state that for the record.

Thank you, Bob.

Thanks.

This meeting of the Board of Equalization is adjourned at 1.36 pm.