Board of Equalization Meeting   5/22/2024

OK, I call this meeting May 22, 2024 of the Board of Equalization of Albemarle County to order.

My name is Evan Mayo.

I am the interim chair of our elections today.

My name is Len Mailloux.

I'm a real estate agent for the last 35 years.

I'm sort of semi-retired, but still active, have an active license.

I've lived with real estate three.

Thank you.

Thanks.

My name is David Mitchell.

I have been here about 20 years, moved from Richmond.

Thank you, David.

Yeah, my name is Bob Beard.

Excuse me, I have a cold, been in Africa for a couple of weeks.

I live in Ivy.

I'm a former, I'm a retired journalist.

because I should say also I am an attorney in Charlottesville.

I've been here for about 12 years.

So I came to UVA to go to law school, and I'm a real estate investor as well.

And this will be my third year on the board.

OK, so you all have in front of you a copy of the minutes from the last meeting, which was held on December 5, 2023.

And obviously only Bob and I are here

from that period.

I don't think any of you were in the audience, but we should vote to approve the minutes and everyone gets a vote on that.

Second.

All right.

And then all in favor?

Aye.

All opposed?

All right, thank you.

So then we'll need to elect officers for the year to come.

I'll give a very brief rundown.

I think if you haven't had the training already, there's a little bit of information about the training, in the training, and then also the rules and procedure.

But basically, the chair sort of expedites the meeting.

responsible for interfacing most often with the members of the public calling the cases and also sort of maintaining protocol clock discipline.

They do tend to run long if you don't

relating to the time.

The vice chair has all of those responsibilities when the chair is not available.

Also calling for votes for the chair.

And it seemed like that happened at least once last year or the year before.

So being capable of filling in in those circumstances is important.

Secretary is the third role that we have on the Board of Equalization.

That one I've done before and I will say that it does require pretty close attention to numbers and getting them exactly right although the staff here is really good about cross-checking and retaining an independent record but if you maybe transpose numbers from time to time that might be a tricky one because you're hearing a lot of like six and seven digit numbers allowed and I did that a time or two so

With that background, does anyone want to volunteer to be the chair for this coming calendar year?

Or, I guess, mid-calendar year to mid-calendar year?

I volunteer to be vice chair.

Okay, we can go out of order.

Anyone else would like to put their name forward for chair or vice chair?

So I will be willing to be considered to be the chair if you all would like me to.

And Mr. Mayo, just to add, we've, we create a kind of a blank meeting minutes.

So we just to make it easier for the secretary just to kind of mark the things, you don't have to keep everything.

That's a good point.

They do a very good job of making it sort of fill in the blank exercise and filling in the blanks as long as you can record the numbers, not too difficult.

So anybody feel convicted about being the secretary?

I'll volunteer.

OK.

Thank you, Bob.

Is there a second?

I'll second it.

Thank you, David.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed?

Thank you.

Evan will serve as the chair of the Board of Equalization for the upcoming year.

Thank you, Len.

Is there a second?

Second.

Seconded by Dave.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed?

Aye.

All those?

Okay.

Bob will serve as vice chair.

Thank you for your service, Bob.

And is there a motion to nominate any of the members of the Board of Equalization for secretary?

I will move to nominate Dave Mitchell as secretary.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Thank you, Glenn.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye as well for me.

All opposed?

OK.

Unanimous.

Thank you for your service as well, Dave.

Should we do just a brief introduction from the members of the Assessor's Office?

Oh, yes.

Excellent.

So I'm Peter Lynch.

I'm the County Assessor.

I know most of you.

And I will be here at all of the meetings unless there's some emergency.

and I don't actually do the assessments at the assessment appraisal level on any property but I supervise and approve all the work that's done in the office including land use.

So I'm kind of at the top of the list.

Billie Taylor is my deputy so she would fill in if I was not here for some reason but she's

going to be here at all the meetings.

Anyway, she and Louis Herndon supervise appraisal staff directly.

So if a property is under review, the specific appraiser who appraised that property will be here.

That might be Louis or Billy, or it most likely would be another appraiser.

And they will be here if one of their appraisers are involved in the appeal.

Dev Collier is our commercial appraiser, so she will be here for any commercial property appeals and she'll be able to provide kind of that level of

information or evaluation expertise for those appeals.

And Sheila Conrad is our administrative staff who will do the administrative support or at least manage the administrative support with her staff under her.

Absolutely, so land use in this sense is the agriculture, forestry, use value taxation determinations.

And that can be complex past the point of is the person actually doing farming on a property, but it could relate to how many acres are they

doing that activity on and how do the statutes apply in the program that they're doing.

So for minimum acreages or any other requirements.

And we will certainly explain all of those components that would apply to any specific property under appeal.

Yes, and just to make it clear, when there's an appeal on a property, even if the issue that they're raising is

Use Value Qualification, we've done an entire review of their property.

So we're looking at the improvements, doing an inspection to make sure that our assessment is correct.

At the same time, we're reviewing the qualification question.

So we will present everything when it comes to that.

This is a new thing only because nobody has appealed to this board for that in the past.

overview and discuss rules of procedure discuss request to require interior inspections so did everyone get a copy of the six page word document from Mr. Lynch by email and have a chance to review those

So as you may have heard, this is a set of procedures that were used historically.

And the version that we have in front of us to consider today is the version that was adopted by the board on June 2, 2023, so almost a year ago.

I would say these are the shortest set of rules and procedure I've ever seen.

It looks good.

I would vote to accept these or I would move to accept these to adopt them for the upcoming year.

Second.

Second.

We'll discuss the request for interior inspection because right now it's to be included too.

Yes.

Okay, got it.

Yes, since that does that request come from staff?

All right, so when we do, obviously we do not get inside the improvements inside the homes of every property that we assess.

However, when we have a review or an appeal, and I use those terms review for an internal review request and appeal for an appeal to the Board of Equalization.

So whenever we have something at those levels, we believe that there's a little higher requirement for

for what should be done to check to confirm that those values are accurate.

Despite the fact that we don't get into it all the time for every property, if the property owner doesn't agree with our value, we believe that an interior inspection is appropriate at that time.

Now we always get into commercial properties because they're generally open to

Yes, thank you for that.

So we're talking about a review or request requested by the owner.

So this is so they want us to review the back.

And so in that case, we believe that an interior inspection is the best way to confirm that our information is correct.

So in the past, we've had it suggested that just interior photos would be sufficient, but we have found in the operation of our work that

that we can get interior photos that will show just about anything.

I mean, we can get just ones that show damage or poor quality, but we can also get ones that just show, I mean, they can be kind of

It's skewed to show what the person's trying to show us.

So if we get an interior inspection done, we can see what we need to see.

We're only looking for condition, qualities, stuff like that, to confirm that the description that we currently have on the property, which is the basis of the value, is correct.

When you do your initial appearance or adjustment,

So we will go by, we visit the property and we can ask the owner if they're there to answer questions.

So we'll ask them questions that will tell us what the condition is or they might invite us in occasionally.

When you say we, do you mean your side?

My staff, yes.

That is correct.

And so the condition will be, you know, generally when we're talking about condition, we are saying that it's an average condition if it's

The condition of the property appears to be average for the age of that property.

So if it's a 1940s house, the condition that's average will be a 1940s house average condition.

A brand new house is the average is to be brand new.

So when we were talking about good or excellent, those are renovation type conditions where kitchens and bathrooms have been updated or there's a full gut of a property.

and that's the first one that was good and the full gut was excellent.

So those things may come about when we do a permit and we find that that work has been done.

Or it may be that, you know, sometimes that work isn't done by a permit.

So there can be some follow up on that.

But we have just found that that interior inspection in light of the fact that they're requesting this review is appropriate.

Now, we do require that on the review.

but the board has decided two years ago that they would not require an interior inspection for the appeal and that they would make the determination based on what was presented.

Say that again, the board decided two years ago not to require an interior inspection.

Don't you have to...

For you to do a review, do they have to do a review before you do an appeal?

Now we will still review the property.

The review process is its own time period and process.

But you can't require an interior?

and if they didn't allow us into the property or inside the building, we would just let you know that.

We reviewed the property from the exterior and this is what we found.

Now there, of course, there was one in the past that who wouldn't even let us on the property at all.

Just look at it from the street.

I feel like if they make a P or they ask you to review it, I don't think you're right.

It's before the game.

And then they refuse to allow you to get into the building.

They're undercutting their argument.

Yeah.

And I don't know.

So that's their choice.

Correct.

and then same thing with the appeals, they're not gonna let you on the property look inside, you're gonna come to us and say, hey, they claim that it's this, but we don't know because we haven't been in there and yes, they've got pictures and we're smart enough to know that people can, real estate agents know how to, right.

I'm married to one, I get to say that.

I mean, they're cutting off their own legs,

If they don't let you in.

Yeah, so I'll try to summarize some of the ideas that were brought up.

Some people said maybe there's a difference between people who are contending that there is a mistake where interior condition would be implicated versus there have definitely been types of appeals in the past where they were contesting, for example, like how much of the

were raw land, for example, where there would be no interior inspection.

There's also been appeals where someone contested that the grade was wrong or the condition was wrong, stuff that clearly would be affected by an interior inspection, and they declined to let people inspect.

One idea we considered was publishing information to prospective appellants that said,

I think there's really good arguments on both sides but personally I'm concerned about the chilling effect that this would have on potential appeals I think there could be a lot of really justifiable reasons why a person

And I'm concerned that there may be meritorious appeals that would not be filed out of a concern that an inspection was required.

And so that tends to be the strongest argument for me, giving full faith and credit to the inspector's office or the appraiser's office who I hear saying we could do a better job or we could give you guys fuller information if we were allowed to require this.

If I can have one more thing.

And I said this in relation to the land use.

When we get an appeal, sometimes it is very specific.

I don't agree with my land value.

Or like you said, the slope is, you know, I don't think the value is low enough because of the slope.

But we look at every aspect of the value no matter what the appeal is based on.

And that's the only way to do this holistically to really achieve what we're trying to do is get the value to be right.

Because maybe they're picking a specific thing, but something that would lower the value, but something else would increase the value that we're not aware of.

And we don't want to

The thing you said about putting out a list of bullet points to make an appeal or whatever, I liked everything you said except for the last part where it'd be construed against you to say,

Yeah, I think that solves it.

Not necessarily that it would.

And to be clear, the assessor's office is asking for the option to inspect.

We can also, as the board, ask for an inspection and they can decide whether or not to allow us to do it.

So there is kind of a second level there.

I would say generally, I feel like the appraiser's office is better situated to do the inspections than me.

just looking at this a moment ago if i didn't understand it request oh i see request by taxpayers for the boe members to personally inspect a property if the majority agrees then we can do it but you're talking about in the rules of eight point procedure yeah yeah i was talking about the state law requirement but this is that it doesn't allow interior inspection

I thought that was true, but I could be wrong.

That's a question worth following up on.

I was going to raise that also.

I mean, I included in an earlier email, but I don't think the three members were even appointed yet when I included that.

Okay.

I think what I would recommend and what would be helpful to me in terms of getting this into a condition where we could go thumbs up, thumbs down would be if

as like a red line to the rules of procedure so that we could see exactly what was proposed and then we could vote to accept or deny or modify.

That way we're in perfect alignment and we're not saying yes to something that we think is what you've asked for and it turns out maybe the way it's drafted isn't exactly the same.

Yes.

I kind of wonder also if, I mean, do the rules of procedure for the Board of Equalization really govern what the Assessor's Office can do?

I'm a little behind on, but the current rules by the BOE is that we don't require for a appeal.

That is correct.

If you don't do anything, well, you need to adopt, even if there's no changes, I believe you need to adopt the rules.

Yeah, I think the staff has made a compelling enough case that I would at least like to review what their proposed language is before making a final decision on it.

Okay, so I would move to table it to the next meeting to permit staff an opportunity to submit a redlined version of the meeting.

Until then, we're operating under the ones you passed back at the last meeting.

Yes, they continue.

OK, all in favor of tabling the vote to modify the rules to include an interior inspection requirement by the appraiser's office.

Aye.

All opposed?

OK.

Does that do feel like you have everything you guys need to?

I believe so.

OK.

Yes.

Also, while you're on that, the

You said, was it that two years ago?

I believe that the 30 minute hearing schedule.

So that, what is it?

14 minutes, six, 30, what are the numbers?

I can't remember.

I think it was like 10, seven, three.

Right, 10, seven, three.

So is that schedule still good?

I'm trying to recall if we had any.

So I think that I would vote to continue the 30-minute schedule, but should we consider including even just a few minutes of buffer time in between?

How did that work last year?

Yeah, in the middle of the morning, in the middle of the afternoon, we did.

And that's the other question here.

know that that's what's included in this.

Yeah, I think it's very difficult to align five schedules, as you all know.

And I think doing it three or four times is easier than six or eight, but open to arguments for doing it differently.

The one concern I had about the new time in between is that when we did get behind, it was very difficult to catch up until we hit one of those 15-minute breaks.

And I felt sometimes like, well, if you happen to be the fourth person who's late and we say we're running a little behind, maybe that's not quite fair, especially if the first person got over 35 minutes or 33 minutes.

But I understand the argument for doing it differently.

Is there a motion to adjust the allocation of time from 10, 7, 3, 10 minutes of discussion

So I guess we'll stick with that.

What was the buffer?

Well, she was saying.

And then we had a 15-minute break.

And then there was a lunch break.

Yes, and just to circle back for one more moment.

I hate to move backwards on the agenda.

Okay.

Any other potential revisions to the rules of procedure that anyone would like to make?

Okay, so we'll go further voting on that until the next meeting.

Westman or Canterbury request for a longer hearing time.

How long did they request?

She didn't say specifically, but I will bring it up just to make sure.

I believe it was around two hours.

Yeah.

One and a half to two hours.

I do not believe that our attorney's going to be here this time in the court reporter.

I think it's just going to be the

Westminster Canterbury, the CFO, and maybe others from the organization.

Well, they provide everything ahead of time.

I think there might have been one thing that provided that day, one thing extra they brought that same day.

But pretty much the entire argument is provided.

The appraisal.

Whatever they provide, we give to you.

So it's possible they have spreadsheets with different data on it.

So I will say, having sat through one of these before, I think less than two hours would be more appropriate.

I'll just say that every business thinks they're exceptional, and there are exceptional aspects to every business, but we simply couldn't accommodate a two-hour time block for all of the businesses that file appeals.

and I think, you know, everyone else needs 30 minutes.

I think that's the last question.

How often?

So just to set the stage, before two years ago, we had hour hearings for everyone.

Now, some of those lasted 10 minutes, and then there was a big break before the next one.

And quite often, it doesn't matter how much time you give the applicant, they will fill it and they will repeat a lot.

and that caused me to repeat a lot, unfortunately.

It's a new appeal of this year's, but it's similar I would say to last year.

I don't want to put any words in their mouth, but is it the third?

So you did lower the value, I believe, because I can't remember exactly what the issue was that it was reduced based off.

Oh, I know what it was.

I know exactly what it was.

Yes.

So the Westminster Canterbury is basically apartment units and a nursing home and assisted living.

And then there are these villas out front that are detached or duplex houses.

If we were to have a, you know, if you were to have a property

like your property that had multiple houses on it that were actually multiple dwellings.

We would have a reduced 20% on the second dwelling.

second or third or fourth because of the inability to get as much money for that second home.

It's not as valuable as having a single house on the side.

You have to sell it all together.

You have to sell it all together, exactly.

So based on that, normally we would put 20%.

So we actually had that, in my mind, mistakenly on those cottages in the past, and we took it off prior to last year.

The board voted to include a 10% reduction on those units instead of no adjustment, which is what we had changed to.

Just looking at the minutes.

and I will say that the meeting began at 9 a.m. and it ended at 1.14 p.m. Was it all focused on that one item?

It was the only hearing.

It was focused on everything.

Honestly, that was one thing I remember.

If it was 7 million, there might have been more to it than that.

And I did bring up the email and

WCBR requests a larger time allotment to discuss the complex property.

So she does not indicate an amount.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.

So there was no way scheduled after.

There are other

Yeah, of that type, but... That configuration.

Yeah, ownership is just...

Does it feel simple?

It needs to be simple.

No, I'm sorry.

The entire property is owned by Westminster Canterbury.

So everything is rented, basically.

on a long-term contract.

But I'm probably saying that wrong, so.

It's one taxable parcel.

Yeah, it's one taxable parcel.

I don't see how that works.

Or a lot.

Or a building.

Because that's for a house.

Correct.

We'll have another opportunity.

Yes.

Try not to make it go past an hour.

Every board of equalization may go on and inspect any real estate subject to adjustment.

Yeah, that's how it says it.

That's how I was going to look that up.

Yeah.

I think someone wanted to construe that.

But not inside?

It doesn't say inside.

It doesn't say one way or the other.

58.1-3379.

I'm upon you, fortunately.

So I've got something for new business on that, but other business.

OK, anything else?

So on Westminster Canterbury, is there a vote to accept for one hour?

OK. Second.

Second, all in favor?

Aye.

Unanimously permitted one hour for Westminster campus.

Okay.

Determine hearing dates scheduled for reassessment and supplemental value appeals.

This part is always a little tricky.

I hope you guys brought your date books or calendars.

So does staff have a recommendation about the number of dates in light of the

That's last year, yes.

Just so you can get an idea of what we set up.

It would be helpful if you could set up 10 dates.

Because then if for some reason one date doesn't end up working, we have more options.

We never use all of the options.

But also as you'll notice on this piece of paper, the initial set of dates are for the reassessment, the annual reassessment values.

The last four dates are for supplemental value.

So if we pick up new construction during the year and they can test that, those would come later in the year.

Those can go all the way to the end of the calendar year.

The last year we had two, I believe, or one.

I thought it was one in November, one in December.

That's the first time we've had any, I think, since I've been here in nine years.

Okay.

I think our meeting was so late that July was really the first that you guys could meet.

Right.

So we could book for dates in June.

Absolutely.

And I think then also you run into the 4th of July.

So it just, it was pushed past then.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm away June 10th through the 16th.

I'm available 17th until 28th.

I have on a third Thursday of every month, I have another four.

Anything else is pretty much open.

June 20th.

You say you're not available, or you are available?

Okay, so June,

17th is a yes for everyone, I believe.

No, Easter Beard will be out.

Awesome.

OK, got it.

June 10th through 18th, no.

OK.

So then starting with 19th, which I can't do, the 20th is no for Norford.

21st, I cannot do.

24.

24.

on the 24th, nine to five, 25th.

If you can spend a day in between the meetings, it would be helpful for staff.

Okay.

And probably

So I can't do the 26th or the 27th.

That's probably depositions.

28th, I know you're not available.

So looking at next week, we've got July 1.

There's July 4th weekend.

We know July.

Okay.

July 9th.

July 9th.

So skipping one day, the next one would be the 11th.

Yeah, I'm good.

Yep.

We can do that as well.

Thanks.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Beard.

The 15th?

Uh-huh.

Yeah, I'm good.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

I'm sorry.

17th is good.

17th is good.

Okay.

So that's D5.

I have a conflict on the 19th.

22nd?

If you go back, is it possible that, is the 18th okay instead of the 17th?

18th?

July 18th?

Yeah.

Sorry.

Okay.

That's fine.

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Starting then again on July 29th.

Yes.

Which day?

July 29th, Monday.

29th?

Yeah.

So that's seven.

Can't do that Thursday or that Wednesday.

I could do the Friday.

So August 2.

Yes.

Yes.

That's eight Bates.

Two more would be great.

August, can't do fifth or sixth, could do seven starting on August 8th or 9th.

One more week of the 12th.

Should we say August 12th?

Yes.

Yeah.

It's so much easier than last year.

Okay.

So, and just so everybody knows that the

Initial assessment appeals have to be done by September 1st.

So that's what these meetings are for.

And then it's these other additional meetings in September, October, November, and December.

We just need one day, half a day, just to fit in a hearing in case one gets... Each month.

Right, exactly.

Do we have to do that now?

Do you need one in September?

Correct.

Okay.

I will not be back until September 25th.

Okay.

Well, I'm lying to you.

I'm in trial that week, unfortunately.

So that doesn't seem like we'd have one in September unless we'll accept it.

Oh, yes.

OK, so the 25th, 26th, 27th.

I'm OK with those.

Any preference?

This Wednesday, 26th strike.

Should we say morning or afternoon?

And then can we just look at the next week for October?

I'm wondering if

We need to allow time.

I guess all the supplemental appeals will be in by then, huh?

They can show up at any time.

Right, so no numbers flying around.

OK.

So then what to do?

OK, yeah.

So let's look towards the second week of October at least.

Responsive.

okay 15th would be work that would work for me okay so Tuesday okay which may be towards the middle or early part of November I think the kid is out of public school the fourth and the fifth

And we do have a preference.

So we're saying what day?

November 14th?

That works for me.

I can do almost anything that would be.

You can avoid Tuesday.

Avoid Tuesday, is that what you said?

Yes.

Nine, 11, 12, or 13.

Anybody got a preference?

Can we do the 12?

Does that work?

Sure.

I did nine to 12.

Yeah, nine to 12.

Those are all mornings.

December 12.

Okay.

No.

And we'll try to condense all the, pack in all of the appeals, you know, to the full days.

We publish the schedule.

We actually, we don't have to publish it first.

We can immediately start filling it.

We just start calling people and saying, you know, can we put you in on at eight o'clock on

Okay.

There you go.

That was one of the dates again.

Yes.

So it's six, sorry, seven.

624, 729, 711, 715, what's the next one?

722.

Yeah, 729, 8288812,

Yes.

We don't use any, actually.

That would be simple.

And we will front end load as many as we can.

in case, occasionally there's one who's just not available for some reason that we have to stick a little further on, so.

We have to have at least three to have it.

Okay, any further concerns or questions about scheduling?

And I guess note that the supplemental dates are starting at 9 a.m., the full day is starting at 8 a.m., right?

Correct.

The front door is not open until 8 o'clock, so we will make sure you get in.

We had one event last year.

It's like, will the county supply lunch on the full days?

Yeah, thanks for reminding me.

On a full day, we set an hour aside in the schedule and we bring lunch in so that as soon as you break, lunch will be ready for you.

Excellent sandwiches.

Thank you.

Okay.

Other business.

Anyone have any new business to take up and topics?

Okay, I have one.

I would like to suggest that we write the county attorney's office and ask them for the authority to seek out an attorney that would represent the Board of Equalization.

There were times on the board last year where we had a question about what we could do legally, what we were required to do legally, and the county attorney's office

I think trying very much to be helpful had to occasionally say, I don't represent the Board of Equalization, and I cannot give you advice on that particular question.

It doesn't happen often.

I'm not suggesting that there's a pending question right now that we need to go out and spend money to answer.

But this happened, in my mind, multiple times last year.

And if we needed representation, I think it would be hard to get it in a hurry.

And it seems to me it would make sense to just have somebody who was available

representation instead of relying on someone who doesn't represent us.

And to give you an example of the types of issues, so one would be whether we have the right to inspect interior or exterior.

That came up today.

We don't know the answer.

I can't give an opinion on it.

Don't know the answer, even if I wish to give an opinion.

Another one would be like Freedom of Information Act compliance.

So that's kind of the case I would make for it is to just, if it turns out that we need it and it's not ready, we won't be able to get it at that point is my concern.

Not usually, is there?

I'm sorry.

The county attorney, the only time he's come to the meetings is when we specifically made a request.

Correct.

So these questions that you're saying, did they come, they came up during that or just during regular meetings?

During regular meetings.

It's all right.

Do you recall last year that there were a couple of questions throughout the course of the year where we said,

And why can't they answer that question?

What I would propose that we ask permission to do, and maybe the accounting attorney would even know fine on how we could do this, is to just form a relationship with a third party

to say it couldn't be done until next year.

But I fear that unless that gets in writing to someone who can make a decision on it at some point, the budget will never be created and the opportunity will never exist for us to take advantage of unless we make that, unless we affect that outcome.

We do something somebody doesn't like.

the county attorney.

Really good question to what I would ask.

That seems like, but I mean, my point is them saying they, I understand the conflict issues.

They could at least have somebody separate themselves.

To answer our questions.

So yeah, we've had, we had this conversation last year.

I don't know what our county attorney's office can answer.

But I can tell you what, and Mr. Mayo has already seen this, in the code section it says, if there is no such attorney or the attorney has a conflict, the board shall make a written request to the city or county governing body to employ an attorney to advise the board.

The governing body shall respond in writing within 10 days.

I wouldn't mind first requesting

I feel a little out over my skis on some of that stuff.

Do you want to make a motion to what you just shared?

Sure.

I'll make a motion that Mr. Mayo write a letter to request either separate representation within the

Is there a second?

I'll second it.

All in favor?

Aye.

All opposed?

Okay.

Unanimously in favor of a letter.

Just add that.

Mr. Mayo has the chair.

OK. That sounds good.

It won't be from the desk of Evan Mayo, probably.

Yes.

How many pages in that letter going to be?

It's a one pager.

Okay, any other new business?

I'll second.

Okay, motion by Mr.

Beard, seconded by Mr. Miller.

We are adjourned at 2 36 p.m.

I have a question about the trainings.