Architectural Review Board Meeting   6/3/2024

Okay.

Could you call the roll, please?

Mr. Van Der Werf?

Here.

Mr. Matsuno?

Here.

Mr. Stoner?

Here.

Mr. Hancock?

Here.

Mr. Henningsen?

Here.

I think I did this last time.

Are there any members of the public that want to make a comment about a project that is not on the agenda for review?

I don't have anyone online.

Chris, do you have your presentation?

I'd be happy to answer any questions.

Dave, do you have any questions?

proposed in the plan, is that something that there's precedent for or is it more customary to have one signed for one tenant?

So they're just kind of just put on the building to kind of display location versus the specific tenants.

Frank Stoner?

No, thanks.

So if the applicant has a presentation,

I think that covers all of the staff comments, but I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

Frank Stoner, do you have any questions?

Just quick clarification on the logo sign above the first floor, which looks to be rather than reversed out, that would be letters in black mounted.

no or is that that'd be the same as what every yeah everything's the same just an aluminum panel with routed out negative space thank you yeah that's my only question all right uh nate no thanks for answering my question uh frank hankton sure uh following up on frank's question is there a difference where it says logo

Okay, so that sign could be the full name as above.

Yes, currently the building has two tenants, Central Virginia Orthodontics and Stone Fox Beauty, so we use those and the others are just placeholders.

I don't think

Does that cover that?

It's just this black and open

and so it's been tested works for them and it's a nice consistent look that kind of keeps the building from getting to these aren't huge buildings either of the buildings that we're reviewing today so too many colors and too many logos and brands and everything can start to get a little bit muddy and they're they want to you just utilize this comprehensive sign plan as a way of just establishing those rules that are consistent

Yeah, that's a great question.

We added the inch thickness to keep the panel thickness down.

I know this is a one inch.

Yeah.

So if you had a, it seems like you do, you have single tenants in the upper stories, for instance, their request would be the ability to have multiple signs for the same tenant on different parts of that same facade, like a quantity limitation or anything like if you had one tenant.

I struggle to see an instance where they're on the same facade, on the same roadway frontage.

You know, I think it would be- Because it shows it on the- Yeah, that's right, exactly.

I'm not sure what the ordinance would say.

It's usually if it's often maybe the same sign on two different elevations or just different text on different panels.

My only clarification really is like the light in addition to being visible from behind the sun and the light also spills out kind of at the perimeter of the sun or is it like contained somehow?

So it's not anticipating spill out the side.

Are there any members of the public who want to make a comment?

and that would be a slippery slope if you could start to regulate what is on the sign, but that's for further thought.

The ARB will now go into discussion starting with Tara, do you have any comments?

Frank Hancock.

No objections.

Frank Stoner.

So yeah, no objection.

I guess if we could review the recommended motion.

Just to repeat, the recommendation is for approval with the revisions that were listed in the staff report.

All right, does anyone have any tweaks they'd like to make to any of the recommended revisions?

I don't.

Sure, I'll move.

No amendments.

I'll second.

All right, if we could call a vote.

Mr. Henningsen?

Aye.

Mr. Hancock?

Aye.

Mr. Stoner?

Aye.

Mr. Matsuno?

Aye.

Thank you.

Yes, me again.

Be happy to answer any questions.

Frank Hancock, do you have any questions?

Thanks, Chris.

If the applicant has a presentation.

So if you have any questions for me, happy to answer.

Frank Stoner.

Do you envision the panels all being the same length and the logos being of varying lengths or would the panels vary depending on the?

And so what we've done is we've kind of outlined in the conference of sign the maximum allowable sign panel size, and then tenants will bring in what feels appropriate from a proportion perspective.

Dade, do you have any questions?

Do you have a sense of whether the light's expected to be contained or is there any additional measure needed to contain it behind the sign?

So it'll stick off from the face of the vertical hardy panel to the inch, a consistent inch.

Okay.

Similar to the brick that would sit flush against it.

Thank you.

Frank Hancock.

Are there any other elements on the building that are black or are those bollards out front black?

Thank you.

Could you tell me, is it like a stained?

And it got a sickens clear coat.

And what's the height of the monument sign over grade generally?

It's pretty minimal, the grade falling away towards the road, but it does fall away some.

I wonder if you've given thought to how that would work over time.

But I think especially if we go towards like a larvae or ground cover or something like that, whatever the board would recommend, giving it a little bit of an additional height would go a long way from a maintenance perspective like you're talking about.

Yeah, I wonder if with like, you know, a height mark that say six or eight inches at the lowest point and a ground cover could help that end up a little bit better given its provenance and location and just what's going to happen around it over time.

So certainly open to that.

Are there any members of the public that would like to make a comment?

Do not have anyone.

Tara, do you have any comments?

Frank Hancock.

And I feel like the sign package fits and doesn't take anything away from that.

Frank Stoner?

No objection.

So if we could look at the recommended motion.

And 10 could be something about these wall sign, wall panel lengths if you wanna add that.

Does anybody have any additional tweaks or comments?

Although that, I don't know, we should do observation.

If there's just a minimum length, would a minimum length work or something like that, like a batten spacing?

Only place that it is.

and maybe I shouldn't say anything and let you guys just talk but like a minimum dimension even you know it's from window to window or something would be acceptable if that helps.

Yeah so minimum dimension could be to the edge of the inside edge of the window.

Good point.

I don't know what that dimension is but

We'll likely see that sign first.

Probably the shortest sign you're going to see.

Unless they add a tail to the graphic.

Add about six more Gs.

Would you want like to, you know, aligning with window openings or edges?

So I prefer to have a little more direction, a little more specificity.

More than what you've written?

Well, right now it says sign lines should relate to architectural elements with a minimum equaling the length between windows.

Minimum equaling, but doesn't that mean that it has to be like nine feet wide or whatever?

Well, in the middle section there.

Like if we're doing something like that references a couple of, I just don't want to get them in a situation where they like.

Right.

We tie ourselves in knots.

If the wag sign as it's shown here was to be located here, but just as it's shown not extending the width of the red rectangle, would that be acceptable to you?

Where would it be located?

Like if it were just a PRO of proper.

Pardon?

If it was a PRO portion of proper, it's just a little sign like that.

Right.

That too weird.

A little weird.

So do we want to just, and I'm realizing also having looked at the exhibits, it's sort of showing both at once and I think my,

Do you have any suggestions?

I agree with staff and that a specified number or batten spacing or window dimension or something would be great to relate to.

What if in this area it could be, if it's short, it could be centered over one window or the other?

or you could pull it up and center it in the building intersection.

Right.

I say we should just leave it general and then when the individual signs come in, if we have, if we can't agree, we'll come back to you.

Thank you.

And delete.

Could we pull it back up?

And then we can delete number two.

But technically their red box is just over the windows.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that could work.

That sounds good.

If not, anybody like to make a motion?

Second.

Good call of vote.

All right, Mr. Henningsen.

Aye.

Mr. Hancock.

Aye.

Mr. Stoner.

Aye.

Mr. Matsuno.

Aye.

And Mr. Van Der Werf.

Dave?

I presently plan to.

This meeting is adjourned, and it looks to be about 1.50 PM.

Thank you.