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Architectural Review Board Meeting   11/6/2023

Attachments
  • Agenda.pdf
  • Final Action Memo.pdf
  • Final Action Memo Minutes.pdf
  • ARB202300086 Old Ivy Residences Staff Report.pdf
  • Att. 1 ARB202300086 Old Ivy Residences - Initial Site Plan.pdf
  • 2023 ECDG Addenda Rt 2500.pdf
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
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      Start again.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      All right, so it is 1.04.
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      I'm calling the November 6, 2023 meeting of the Albemarle County Architecture Review Board to order.
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      Could you call the roll, please?
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:00:24
      Yes, sorry.
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      I'm not sure why I am...
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      Okay.
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      Mr. Henningsen?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      Here.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:01:03
      Mr. Hancock?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:01:04
      Here.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:01:04
      Mr. Stoner?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
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      Here.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
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      Mr. Henningsen, sorry, Mr. Van Der Werf and Mr. Matsuno are absent today.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      All right, thanks a lot.
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      Today's meeting is a hybrid meeting.
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      The public may access and participate in the meeting electronically.
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      Instructions for doing so are posted on the Albemarle County website at the Albemarle County calendar.
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      The public has real-time audiovisual access to this meeting over Zoom and real-time audio access over telephone.
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      Both is provided in the lawfully posted meeting notice.
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      This meeting is being recorded and will be made available on the county's website.
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      This meeting is a public record and subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.
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      All speakers, when it is your turn to speak, please first state your name for the record.
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      Applicants who are making presentations,
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      Note that your presentation is limited to a total of 15 minutes, which you can divide among your team members.
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      Staff will let us know when the 15 minutes are up.
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      If applicants in the meeting room have team members attending virtually who will need to present, please make that known when you come to the podium.
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      Everyone who is participating virtually, please mute your microphone and told us your turn to speak.
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      Do any ARB members have anything to disclose?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:02:27
      No.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      No.
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      And me either.
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      Are there any members of the public that want to make a comment about a project that is not on the agenda for review?
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
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      There's no one on Zoom.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:02:40
      All right.
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      Great.
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      Thank you.
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      We don't have any consent agenda items today.
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      So we'll move to our regular review item.
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      We have one.
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      It is ARB 2023 86 Old Ivy Residences.
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      Mariah, do you have your presentation ready?
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
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      I do.
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      Thanks.
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      Good afternoon.
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      My name is Mariah Gleason.
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      I'm a senior planner, urban designer in the planning division of Albemarle County.
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      Today, I'm going to be presenting staff's review of an initial site plan, ARB 2023-86, old ivy residences against the entrance corridor design guidelines.
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      The subject property contains five parcels predominantly comprised of undeveloped land consisting of wooded and cleared areas as well as ponds.
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      A two-story colonial revival residence and associated outbuildings are located near the southeastern edge of the subject property.
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      East of the site are the Huntington Village townhouse community and the University.
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      University Village condominiums.
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      South of the site across Old Ivy Road are large printing, storage, and distribution buildings that support the University of Virginia.
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      The Route 29-250 bypass and on-ramp are located west of the site.
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      An additional undeveloped wooded area is located north of the site.
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      The bottom two images on the right show different views of the property from the entrance corridor.
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      The middle image is from Route 29-250 looking south.
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      from around the middle of the property's entrance corridor frontage and the image to the bottom right is a view from the on-ramp facing north as a driver would with the property to the right.
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      The subject property was rezoned to R-15 residential earlier this year in March 2023.
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      The map here shows the approved conceptual plan that accompanied the rezoning.
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      In addition to the concept plan, the Board of Supervisors approved proffers, a step-back waiver, parking reduction, and a request to rezone preserved steep slopes to manage slopes, allowing grading to occur in those areas.
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      The initial site plan submitted by the applicant is consistent with the approved concept plan.
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      North here is located approximately plan right.
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      The development proposes a total of 525 dwelling units on 35.37 acres.
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      Dwelling units include a mix of multifamily, townhouse, and single-family detached residences.
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      The entrance to the development will be off of Old Ivy Road.
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      No direct access to the development will be located along the Route 29-250 Bypass entrance corridor.
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      Open spaces on the property are generally located in the center of the development, around existing ponds and along the entrance corridor, while proposed improvements in buildings are located along other property edges.
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      The layout shows four to five-story multifamily buildings located in the southwestern corner of the property.
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      along Old Ivy Road and the on-ramp to the entrance corridor.
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      Townhouses are located in about three to four groupings throughout the development, often mixed among single-family detached units.
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      The plan does not identify the proposed height of each of the different unit types, only that the proposed maximum building height will be 65 feet.
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      To note, single-family detached units are proposed in multiple locations throughout the site,
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      Although it's convenient to include them on the site plan, they are not subject to the entrance corridor requirements.
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      The grading plan that was approved with rezoning is shown here on the left, with the grading plan from the initial site plan shown on the right.
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      Proposed retaining walls are identified by red lines with heights noted in red.
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      Arrows accompanying the height measurements on the initial site plan sheet identify which side of the wall is higher.
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      The grading plan from the rezoning allows grading that would not typically be encouraged along the entrance corridor and as a result facilitates the placement and positioning of buildings that don't fully align with the entrance corridor guidelines.
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      The initial site plan makes improvements to the conceptual grading plan by showing tie-ins to the existing contours that are more rounded, reducing the number of retaining walls from nine to eight walls, and removing several retaining walls located along the northern portion
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      of the property's entrance corridor frontage.
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      However, proposed retaining wall heights in the initial site plan reach a maximum of 10 feet compared to six feet shown in the concept plan.
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      Overall, the combination of grading and retaining wall heights, lengths, and locations show that the property will be disconnected from the surrounding topography and unsupportive of a continuous landscape.
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      Also, 10-foot retaining walls, if visible from the corridor, do not align with the entrance corridor design guidelines, which cap the maximum height of retaining walls at six feet.
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      Based on the distance of the Route 29-250 bypass, many of the retaining walls are unlikely to be visible from the entrance corridor.
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      As stated in the staff report, architectural designs and a landscaping plan were not submitted with the initial site plan.
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      The initial site plan shows that the proposed development does not have a relationship with the entrance corridor.
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      Buildings are oriented with their backs and sides towards the Route 29-250 bypass.
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      Wooded and vegetated buffers are located along the
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      entrance corridor frontage.
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      The green line represents the extent of onsite wooded buffers and terrain that will be preserved along the southern portion of the entrance corridor frontage.
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      And while not yet located, a note on the plan highlighted here in bright green, which does show up, indicates that a 20-foot vegetated buffer will be located along the northern portion of the subject property's entrance corridor frontage.
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      Retained wooded areas will be approximately 15 to 280 feet wide, but generally 15 feet in areas abutting proposed apartment buildings, which will reduce the visibility of those buildings.
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      The design of the vegetated buffer was not provided with this submission.
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      The proposed buffers along the EC frontage is consistent with the character of the Route 29-250 bypass.
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      However, more information is needed to understand the extent to which the buffers will limit visibility of the development.
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      And with that, which pieces of the development will be visible from the corridor given the combination of landscaping, site grading, retaining walls and the building heights proposed.
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      Other improvements that would benefit from additional clarity include dumpster pad screening as these areas are located along the EC frontage.
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      and information regarding the mechanical equipment and proposed painting.
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      Staff recommends approval of the initial site plan and that additional information be submitted so that the ARB can determine visibility and the level of ongoing review.
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      The recommended points of discussion and conditions are provided here.
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      That concludes staff's presentation.
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      The board has the report.
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      Are there any additional questions about the presentation or report I can clarify?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      Great, thanks a lot.
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      Frank Hancock, do you have any questions?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
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      Sure.
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      Thanks, Mariah.
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      Nice presentation.
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      Just a clarification on the single family.
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      Are we reviewing single family attached?
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      Is that part of our review?
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      I know this is an initial site plan, but just thinking ahead, is a lot of the single family is focused or adjacent to the entrance corridor?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
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      The single family attached is a part of your review.
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      To the townhouses?
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      Yes.
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      If the single family detached are on their individual lots, then it's not subject to your review.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
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      Okay.
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      Thank you.
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      I don't have any more questions.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      Frank, do you have any questions?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:10:46
      No, I don't.
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      Thanks, Mariah.
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      That was great.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      I guess I just have a follow-up question to Frank's question.
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      So the single family, if they're on their own lots, are not subject to review.
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      If they're on a larger lot, do they become subject to review or not?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
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      They could possibly, depending on the number of units on the parcel, but it would be unlikely that an applicant would present it that way.
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      It's usually just included on a plan like this because it's convenient to show everything in the development and eventually the parcels would likely be subdivided and would not be subject to your review.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      And I guess I have one other question, which is kind of technical, but is the on-ramp between Old Ivy Road and the bypass considered part of the entrance corridor?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
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      Yes, we've considered the on and off ramps part of the entrance corridor for the bypass and the interstate.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:11:57
      All right.
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      Great.
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      Thank you.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
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      Margaret, just to clarify, if it's a single-family detached home on a larger parcel, it would be subject to our review?
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      If they're all on one parcel, it would be or might be?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
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      Technically, if they were all on a single parcel, as the ordinance is written, it would be subject to your review.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      All right.
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      Thanks a lot.
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      So now is the time for the applicant's presentation.
    • Valerie LongAttorney
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      Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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      I have a few slides that are fairly similar to the ones Mariah showed.
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      I'm Valerie Long.
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      We're representing the applicant, Graystar Development.
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      We have a couple of folks here from Graystar.
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      Leati Cole with Graystar and also Patrick Kill with Dewberry.
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      And I believe we have some architects standing by by video if needed.
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      Before I forget, I will clarify that in response to your questions, all of the units will be on a single tax map parcel.
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      The entire community is proposed to be for rent residential.
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      So we are in my read was like Margaret's that is they're all on a single parcel.
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      They are then subject to your review.
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      Sites don't do too much other than just try and provide some additional context.
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      I presume you're all fairly familiar with the location, but please feel free to let me know if you need any clarification.
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      These are some of the same views that you just saw showing, at least during the summer months, what the vegetation levels are like and visibility from various locations along the entrance corridor.
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      You can see there sort of in the top center right is the ramp adjacent to the property.
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      This is an illustrative plan we showed during the rezoning process.
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      I like to show this because it demonstrates how consistent the initial site plan is with this plan.
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      And this is just another version of that plan.
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      I'd be happy at any point to come back and go over in more detail all that's here.
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      This is, again, the approved rezoning concept plan.
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      There's a lot of information there, but again, consistent with the layout, the lavender color is single-family detached units, some, excuse me, single-family units, some detached and some townhouse, and then the tan is multifamily.
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      And this is, again, the same image that you saw already of the initial site plan, again, showing all of the different types of units and their location.
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      Similar image showing sort of the boundaries of the vegetation that will remain the vegetated buffer area is on the right side.
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      That's shown on the approved zoning plan.
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      That was an important condition of that rezoning that there be a buffer provided in that area.
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      And then, of course, there's additional planting that will be required, we know, as part of the site plan.
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      So that's everything.
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      I'd be happy to go back to any of these if you have any questions.
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      We did not have any concerns or comments or requests for revisions on any of the issues in the site plan.
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      We do think that the retaining walls, as they were shown, will all be very well screened from the entrance corridor.
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      We're happy to talk about any of those as needed.
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      Otherwise, we're happy to answer questions.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      All right.
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      Well, thanks a lot for the presentation.
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      Frank Stoner, do you have any questions?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:15:54
      No, I don't think so.
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      Thanks.
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      Frank?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:15:57
      No, I don't have any questions.
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      Thanks, Valerie.
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      I don't have any questions either.
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      Thank you.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:16:01
      All right.
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      Are there any members of the public who want to make a comment?
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
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      Do we have anybody on Zoom?
    • 00:16:12
      No.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      All right, I don't see a crowd forming at the podium.
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      So ARB will now go into discussion.
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      So Frank Hancock, do you have any comments?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
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      Sure.
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      I think it's a nice site plan.
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      I think it's an interesting corridor just because of the speed at which people travel this corridor.
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      Usually, I harp on the buildings fronting the corridor.
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      In this case, I'm glad to see the larger multifamily buildings on fronting Old Abbey Road.
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      Contextually, they make more sense there, given the buildings across the street and the buildings in Madison Park.
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      I think the other thing this site benefits from is having
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      kind of resource protection areas kind of in the middle of the site.
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      So a big part of the frontage on the entrance corridor there is made up of existing woods to remain with I think the stream or something with a buffer that's protecting it so I feel good about that and then knowing that there's that 20-foot landscape buffer
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      It's not great to have single-family backed up to the corridor, but with that buffer and I think the additional existing vegetation to remain and given, assuming it's a single-family residence, it's not scale-wise gonna be overpowering on the corridor.
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      So I don't really have anything to add.
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      I think it's a, I agree with staff's comments.
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      I think it's a pretty thorough review.
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      I will say, Mariah, I appreciate your graphics and the retaining wall graphic especially.
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      I think that helps to see that.
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      And it's really important to know what's the high side.
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      A lot of times we're guessing on that.
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      And so, or we have to ask that question.
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      So thank you for clarifying that.
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      That's all I had.
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      All right.
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      Thanks a lot, Frank.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:18:26
      I would echo Frank's thoughts.
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      My principal concern would have been the size of those retaining walls and whether visible, it sounds like they're probably not.
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      And they're far enough, the big one anyways, far enough off the entrance corridor that I'm not sure it'd be an issue anyway, given the landscape buffer that is going to be required.
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      So we'll see this again, I guess at final site plan review.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
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      That's part of what we would like to have your direction on just given the, well, as you heard from Mariah's comments that we're requesting additional information to help determine what will be visible.
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      Depending what that tells us, I think that could determine the level of review that you might need going forward.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      Thanks.
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      Yeah, I agree with my colleagues.
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      I think it's a good site plan and looking forward to the being some of the blanks filled in on the next presentation.
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      I agree with the staff recommendations.
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      and appreciated that the wooded buffer between the corridor and the development is going to be preserved.
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      Does anybody want to make a motion?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:04
      Do we need a motion for this or just to recommend four comments?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:20:11
      We would need a motion.
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      It would be to forward the recommendations
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      outlined in the staff report to the agent for the site review committee with the conditions listed in the staff report.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:24
      Frank can remember all that and he can review that.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:20:28
      We can pull that up.
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      It's not on that particular site.
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      It'll take a minute to switch it over, but you could also say so moved.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:35
      So moved.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:40
      I'll second that.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:20:46
      Ready for a vote?
    • 00:20:47
      Oh, ready for a vote, yeah.
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      Sorry.
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      Mr. Stoner?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:49
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:20:50
      Mr. Hancock?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:52
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:20:52
      Mr. Henningsen?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:54
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:20:54
      Thank you.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:55
      Thanks.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:58
      All right.
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      There is one work session today, which is on the EC Design Guidelines, John Warner Parkway.
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      And once again, it's Mariah.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:21:15
      Yes.
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      Here we are again.
    • 00:21:24
      Hello.
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      As always, thank you for your continued work and review on this effort to identify the common elements and historic aspects along each of the county's entrance corridors.
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      Today, we have a draft of Route 2500, John W. Warner Parkway for your review.
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      This corridor is relatively short and homogenous.
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      The corridor is 1.1 miles in length, extending from the intersection of Raya Road East at the north to the city of Charlottesville-Abramarle County line at the south.
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      The corridor is generally a curvilinear two-lane road with an adjacent multi-use path on the east side and train tracks on most of the western side.
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      The frontage on both sides of the entrance corridor is occupied by vegetated buffers and a mix of forest, parkland, groves of trees, and lawns with shade trees.
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      Some views of the Greenbrier residential neighborhood in the city are found just across the railroad tracks, but these views are limited.
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      Parcels along the corridor are zoned for residential uses, although most are owned by the City of Charlottesville and contain the Greenway or the Charlottesville High School playing fields.
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      Between the Parkland Railroad and Creek, the potential for development along most of the parkway is limited, although there could be an opportunity for denser residential development at the northern end of the corridor at the Parkway-Raya Road intersection due to a recent rezoning in 2021.
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      As usual, we included a list of predominant structural and landscaping elements, as well as a list of features to maintain and avoid.
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      The precedent images included in the spread generally portray the highly vegetated and strong parkway character of the corridor.
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      Individual images include glimpses of the multi-use path and the incorporation of natural elements such as stone and metal into designed improvements seen along the corridor.
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      That concludes the information for this corridor.
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      Again, it's short and fairly homogenous, but I'll navigate back to the first sheet for discussion.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:23:30
      All right, well, thanks a lot for that presentation.
    • 00:23:35
      Yes, Frank Stoner, do you have any comments?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:23:40
      The only question I have is whether there are any additional sites other than the one that just got rezoned in 2020 that could change, potentially change the character of any portion of the parkway.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:23:57
      The vegetative buffers are pretty dense in areas.
    • 00:24:00
      I think it would, that question almost needs to look at contour lines as well.
    • 00:24:06
      The R-15 residential area is
    • 00:24:12
      is one that contains playing fields but it would otherwise be available for denser development.
    • 00:24:21
      There are some where the creek is located and you can kind of see where Greenbrier Park on the city side
    • 00:24:30
      The creek extends from that green area across the railroad tracks, and so that's kind of where the creek is located.
    • 00:24:38
      That creates a depression in the topography, so there could be views to development from there should development further in kind of become more dense, although most of the neighborhoods in that area have already been developed.
    • 00:24:53
      So it's kind of a yes and no.
    • 00:24:55
      We don't have a, there's no glass ball.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:25:01
      Do you know how wide the VDOT buffer is?
    • 00:25:05
      I do not.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:25:39
      What's at the bottom left?
    • 00:25:40
      Is that the Piedmont Animal Garden site?
    • 00:25:45
      Is that where we are?
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:25:47
      I think it's a portion.
    • 00:25:48
      OK.
    • 00:25:50
      There's only a small portion of that park that resides in the county area.
    • 00:25:56
      The rest of the park is in the city.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:26:07
      at our 15 residential at the bottom.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:26:14
      The one that's owned by the city of Charlottesville, it contains mostly athletic playing fields that support the high school.
    • 00:26:26
      We can go back to the aerial if that be.
    • 00:26:38
      in this area.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:26:54
      In the R4 areas that are north of that, are they privately owned?
    • 00:27:01
      Or the bulk of the
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:27:05
      I think that's also the city of Charlottesville, but we can go to the GIS and take a look there.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:27:14
      You know, I was just curious just in terms of what potential development could even happen on this.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:27:56
      That Tax Map parcel is owned by the City of Charlottesville.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:28:01
      Okay.
    • 00:28:01
      Well, thank you.
    • 00:28:02
      Yeah.
    • 00:28:02
      Not that they would never sell that, but I guess for now it doesn't seem like there'd be...
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:28:11
      Right now it contains the Greenway.
    • 00:28:13
      So I imagine that would continue to be part of that parcel.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:28:20
      Yeah.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:28:28
      Any other questions or comments?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:28:31
      Looks good.
    • 00:28:31
      Yeah.
    • 00:28:32
      It's a nice entrance corridor, a nice way to get into the county and into the city.
    • 00:28:36
      Yeah.
    • 00:28:38
      Nice, you know, multimodal ways, transportation.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:28:45
      And it's kind of a breather within the development area.
    • 00:28:50
      I mean, you expect to see just a continuous landscape of development and you find yourself on this parkway.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:28:57
      Yeah, it's accurately named a parkway.
    • 00:29:01
      I feel like it feels like a parkway.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:03
      Surprising it was so contentious.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:05
      Was it?
    • 00:29:06
      Oh, God, yeah.
    • 00:29:08
      Yeah.
    • 00:29:11
      Just needs more lanes.
    • 00:29:13
      Yeah.
    • 00:29:14
      Used to have them.
    • 00:29:16
      That was a joke.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:20
      I'll strike that one.
    • 00:29:21
      Wasn't that one one of the reasons?
    • 00:29:25
      Yeah, used to be four lanes.
    • 00:29:30
      Look at how much traffic's on it.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:34
      Well, thanks a lot.
    • 00:29:37
      So we'll move on to other business.
    • 00:29:39
      First thing is approval of the October 2nd, 2023 minutes.
    • 00:29:45
      Does anybody want to make a motion?
    • 00:29:48
      So moved.
    • 00:29:49
      Second.
    • 00:29:51
      All right.
    • 00:29:52
      We could go to a vote on that.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:29:54
      Mr. Henningsen?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:56
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:29:57
      Mr. Hancock?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:29:58
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:29:59
      Mr. Stoner?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:30:00
      Aye.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:30:01
      There was an issue with the, I had one email saying they couldn't get on to hear the beginning of the meeting.
    • 00:30:11
      I don't know if we want to go back over it again to see if there's anybody that wants to speak from the public.
    • 00:30:19
      I don't know how, I just found out after the fact.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:30:25
      We could go back and...
    • 00:30:31
      The Mariah show continues.
    • 00:30:34
      Let's do it one more time.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:30:37
      The presentation or...
    • 00:30:40
      They couldn't see any of it, no.
    • 00:30:42
      So I guess the presentation, yeah.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:30:43
      Yeah, we can go again.
    • 00:30:44
      Take two.
    • 00:30:45
      Can we, let's pull it up.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:30:50
      If anybody's online that would like to speak on the old Ivy Residence, please raise your hand.
    • 00:30:59
      They're just listening and the recording will be up in about 10 minutes.
    • 00:31:05
      As soon as the meeting's over, it takes me about 10 minutes.
    • 00:31:13
      There's two people on.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:31:14
      I think considering that it's already been voted on and approved,
    • 00:31:20
      but if they wanna make comments, I guess.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:31:22
      They're not raising their hand.
    • Valerie LongAttorney
    • 00:31:32
      Terribly sorry, don't mean to create a distraction.
    • 00:31:34
      My only concern was whether that constituted a valid public hearing.
    • 00:31:38
      We had people on from our team who were trying to just watch remotely and the link was broken or something.
    • 00:31:45
      And then I tried it myself from my phone and got the same thing.
    • 00:31:49
      So my concern was just one, if there had been people on at the beginning who might've wanted to speak, or if there was someone who would say that it was not a valid public hearing, I wanted to avoid that problem.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:31:59
      There's two extra people online right now.
    • 00:32:02
      And if they would like to speak on the Old Ivy Residence project, please raise your hand and we'll let you make your comments.
    • 00:32:11
      But they're not.
    • Valerie LongAttorney
    • 00:32:13
      I think one of them is me.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:32:17
      One was you, there was two others, yeah.
    • 00:32:20
      And they're not raising their hand.
    • 00:32:21
      And the recording will be up.
    • 00:32:22
      And like I said, as soon as I get back to my office, it'll be about 10 minutes.
    • 00:32:25
      It'll be up.
    • Valerie LongAttorney
    • 00:32:26
      Thank you.
    • Carolyn ShafferClerk, Planning Commission/Boards
    • 00:32:26
      Appreciate that.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:32:29
      Thanks a lot.
    • 00:32:34
      All right.
    • 00:32:35
      In that case, do any board members or staff have any additional items?
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:32:43
      Quick question regarding the corridors.
    • 00:32:45
      Any sense about when you think that work will wrap up?
    • 00:32:49
      I'm going to be able to publish it.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:32:52
      We've got two corridors left.
    • 00:32:54
      We're hoping to try to wrap those up by the end of the year.
    • Mariah GleasonUrban Designer
    • 00:33:03
      In terms of an overall timeline, we were trying to complete a first draft, get through all of the corridors, and then we were, I think we had talked about it a couple times about coming back with maybe a work session to look at how to
    • 00:33:18
      How to treat those corner properties that exist on two corridors and in addition to a couple of other things that have been mentioned throughout your continuous review and just treatment of those and then going back with and updating the corridors to the comments that have been made and making sure that things are consistent.
    • 00:33:36
      So I think there will be kind of this this fleshing out that will occur in a second round.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:33:42
      Does the board ultimately have to approve this document?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:33:47
      The agenda is not actually a change to the design guidelines.
    • 00:33:54
      Any change to design guidelines would need to be approved by the board.
    • 00:33:57
      This is sort of your background research for changes to the guidelines.
    • 00:34:04
      So it's not required.
    • 00:34:09
      But I think when we have the document together, we will present it to the board as a information item.
    • 00:34:16
      The board is also, it gets all your action memos, so they're aware of the ongoing work.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:34:23
      Would these guidelines supersede the general guidelines?
    • 00:34:27
      How would they be viewed in the context of somebody, I guess, opposing certain guidelines where there's inconsistency between the general guidelines and the quarter guidelines?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:34:44
      I think it's a background informational document that is sort of, you know, because it's more recent, it's more up-to-date, it makes sense.
    • 00:34:53
      The guidelines allow for some flexibility in determining context.
    • 00:35:03
      So I think we can use it as an informational document until we get the guidelines updated.
    • 00:35:13
      Does that answer your question?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:35:20
      All right.
    • 00:35:23
      Next ARB meeting is scheduled for November 20th, 2023.
    • 00:35:29
      Any board members who will not be out of town?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:35:36
      I plan to attend.
    • Frank StonerMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:35:38
      I'll be here.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:35:39
      I think so too.
    • 00:35:41
      And I guess we'll find out from the other two remotely.
    • 00:35:48
      So in that case, this meeting is adjourned to the next meeting on November 20th, 2023.
    • 00:35:53
      And it is 1.40 PM.
    • 00:35:57
      Thanks a lot.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:36:00
      Thank you.