Architectural Review Board Meeting   3/20/2023

All right, thanks a lot.

So it is 104 by my watch.

I am calling the March 20th, 2023 meeting of the Albemarle County Architecture Review Board to order.

Mr. Stoner?

Today's meeting is a hybrid meeting.

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No?

No.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

There's one regular review item today, which is ARB 2023-17 Seville-Rire Road Apartments.

The application reviewing today is a proposal to construct 250 multifamily units and apartment buildings in addition to associated site improvements.

This review represents the second review of the site plan and the first review of architecture.

The site is located along Ryle Road West, approximately 530 feet west of the intersection of Woodburn Road and Ryle Road West.

Architectural designs have been provided with this metal.

The overall design and the building types within this development are contemporary in style, but feature forms and building materials that reflect those used historically within the county.

The elevations visible from the entrance corridor uses changes in roof form materials and colors to help break down the mass of buildings.

Power on the sides of buildings 1 through 4 and 6 are structures that are either utilitarian impairments or treatments that are not appropriate for the entrance corridor facing elevations.

Notably, the structures there are to house utilities and equipments in the false windows.

Revising these elevations to relocate or revise the design of the equipment in utility structures and removing the bay of windows, bay of false windows would be appropriate.

A landscape plan has also been provided with the cemental.

The plan appears to show large shade trees with ornamental trees interspersed.

but species have not been keyed on the plan.

The spacing of large shade trees exceed 35 feet in a few locations and of the trees shown in the schedule, none of the caliber sizes meet the frontage requirements.

The site plan will need to be revised to key the proposed species on the plan and shade trees at three and a half inch caliber.

Regarding landscaping the interior and perimeters of the site, due to the layout of the site, the interior parking area trees double as pedestrian way trees.

Thirty interior parking trees have been provided.

However, many are likely spaced too close together for healthy tree growth.

They are not evenly distributed and they do not meet the required caliber size.

Along the perimeters of the site, it appears that shrubs instead of large trees are shown.

Staff recommends that the landscape plan be revised to show interior and perimeter trees at two and a half inch caliber and a more even distribution of interior trees throughout the site.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.

All right.

Frank, do you have any questions for staff?

I don't.

Thanks, Chris.

Thank you, Chris.

All right.

Thanks.

I don't have any questions either.

Thank you very much.

Good afternoon.

My name is Scott Collins.

I'm a civil engineer working with the developer on this project.

We also have in attendance the architect team for the project and the landscape architect as well for the project.

So we have a bunch of people here.

We can definitely kind of walk through different things, talk about some stuff and really kind of get into everything with the whole team here.

So I will start off by talking a little bit about where we are and how we got here and then let the

Let the architects and landscape architects really get into the nuts and bolts of some of the aspects because certainly that's probably more of the discussion today.

So this is a project, an apartment project, that went through the rezoning process and during that we worked really a lot with Margaret and her team and Chris and everybody about how to properly design the site knowing that, you know, Riot Road was definitely going to be

Intricate design is part one of the aspects we want to make sure we had all the units sort of fronting on Ryer Road but also positioned well enough so that they can also not only create the entrance into the site but also have enough room to integrate landscaping with all the utilities along the front and

I kind of created a color a colorized version of the site plan just to kind of show you a little bit of what we were up against.

The biggest thing is what's kind of outlined in red right there was sort of the all the utilities out there whether it's overhead or underground from underground utilities from some of the VDOT relocation projects they had a lot of the frontage was sort of incorporated with easements

and so that kind of sort of dictated how those buildings were going to be fronting on that street and we really wanted to make sure that they fit in well.

The other challenge about the site is about a 40-foot elevation change from Mariah Road down to sort of the stream that kind of cuts through sort of the, what is it, the south

south west corner of the site and the site's not that deep so you know we went through a lot of thoughts and designs about maybe having the the buildings up front with a small retaining wall that stepped the site down a little bit we're talking about three feet or so but working with Margaret and her staff she figured that that wasn't the best option for this so we kind of eliminated that because that would also sort of

have some effect on the landscaping that we can do in the frontage of those units.

But we set the project up so that those units along Ride Road would also be three stories in height and as you get back into the site as it steps down that's where we get the four and five story units kind of

So it didn't overwhelm Ryer Road knowing that there's still a lot of residential type style houses along that corridor, that part of the corridor.

So we wanted to be cognizant of that.

So I think we worked pretty well and we set up a site that with a lot of the ARB aspects sort of taking into account during the rezoning.

And we really, like I said, we really kind of focused on that.

And I think that's probably why there's, hopefully there's not a whole lot of site

related aspects.

Now it's more like more or less tying in the architecture of the buildings and the landscaping around it to get that to adhere to Riot Road and to the ARB guidelines and make sure everything's sort of cohesive and working together.

And at this point, I'll turn it over to the architecture team and they can kind of talk a little bit more about the buildings and about some of the comments as it as it relates to the project.

There you go.

Thank you again for taking the time to meet with us today.

My name is Nicholas Giederman.

I'm with Hefner Architects.

We are the firm that designed the buildings you see before you.

And kind of building off of what Scott said, what we've been working through on this project for the last several months is to try to find a architectural vocabulary that can be grounded in a neighborhood that's as established as Rio Road, but also larger context for greater Charlottesville itself.

And as was noted in the staff report, it is very much a building of the 21st century.

It's not pretending to be something that it's not.

It has a rather cool, expressive palette, but it is built of a kit of parts that are indelibly vernacular, residential, lining Rio Road with three-story, again, keeping generally at a scale, rhythm, and height that's keeping character with a typical residential neighborhood that we're working to orient

you know some vertical mix and match vertical and horizontal elements to break up the masses of the buildings while still giving a sort of general rhythm that again expresses a residential character something that you might see in a bay window or in a row of townhomes you know I don't think that there's anything here that's particularly wildly out of character for what we

Both are building, but also the neighborhood in which we are building.

Then again, working with the site plan to kind of step back off of Rio Road before the buildings get any taller and really just striving to live some expression of individual dwelling units while still yielding a more cohesive whole.

Really to keep the building from erring on the side of too busy.

Keeping it kind of grounded both in the site and in the community.

And like I said, working with a lot of kind of vernacular elements of

alternating horizontal and horizontal lap and vertical board and batten siding.

You know, this is sort of just classic look, six and 12, 12 and 12 pitched roofs, a few shed dormers here and there.

You know, we're not so modern or contemporary where we start moving into flat roofs.

Again, we're still keeping the classic materials and palette of

Shingle, Lap, Sashed Windows.

You know, I don't think there's anything particularly alien or foreign in this vocabulary.

And really letting the buildings both frame the street externally along Rio, but give a sense of definition to the community itself.

I think that there's a good deal of variety within the palette that allows each of the buildings to begin to express themselves.

which I think on a kind of base most functional level really aids with wayfinding around the site.

We like to think of our 250 residents coming in being able to identify where they are within the site but also kind of on a broader scale that we hope to avoid complete uniformity of building seven of the exact same building with the exact same

Paints and finishes but without getting again so staccato and random that you know the site no longer makes sense as a whole so I think we've definitely worked to balance that both building to building and using that to break up some of the longer elevations.

So again, as we work our way around the site, you'll see that, you know, we start to step up in building height as grade begins to step down from Rile Road, you know, and again, giving a sense of, you know, what comes next, you know, that it is, there's a good deal of depth and activity within this community and that you shouldn't to come in and, you know,

You know, explore and give a real sense of place on the inward facing elevations just as much as there's a sense of definition on the outward facing elevations.

And again, I think this is a great example of watching our buildings kind of step up the hill and still really kind of work with that overall vernacular vocabulary of pitched roofs, shingle roofs, but doing it in a somewhat more playful and contemporary way of building out these frames and letting the buildings kind of break down while still reading as a more cohesive whole without just reading as an assemblage of parts.

So this was the material board as we submitted.

I believe that the physical samples might give a better illustration of the kind of contrast that we're looking at.

I think that we're taking great steps to avoid delivering a completely monochromatic building.

I think that there is good contrast and variety in what we're proposing.

and that's not just coming from color.

I think that texture is a great tool in our toolkit and whether that's alternating exposures between four and eight inch lap siding, if that's working with solid panel, working with vertical board and batten or these sort of built out frames that even within one plane without making the building too busy can give a sense of shadow and definition and just sort of subtle articulation

I guess we could do a building by building if we get to that in questions or discussions.

But thanks for that overview.

We'll go into questions now.

Sure.

Thank you, Chris.

And thank you for your presentation.

I appreciate the attention that you all have given to breaking down the scale, especially on the corridor facing elevations.

I guess one question I had looking at it, I think for me, it breaks down a little bit at the end where the gable expresses the entire width of the building.

Yes, and maybe it would be more helpful if I went back to the perspectives.

I think that there certainly is a, in elevation, we're experiencing the building kind of on the screen right now the way that we wouldn't necessarily experience it at eye level, you know, that we have in, you know, kind of perspective vision that it may not feel quite so heavy as it is now, but

I mean honestly I left the buildings as presented with the idea that ultimately the roof is the sort of ultimate binding feature of this kit of parts and one of my fears is

that if we break it down too small that we start to get this almost frenetic overly busy and out of character kind of assemblage of parts so we have kind of used the roof as a unifying tool but I get what you're saying is that you know in the side elevations at that rather broad 6 and 12 that it can seem

Yeah, and it may be good just to go back to the perspective.

And I appreciate your point about the unity of the roof.

I just wanted to ask if you'd given it some consideration, because I think I'm aware of the tension you're feeling about being too frenetic, but I feel like the success you've got in the rhythm and the scale that's happening along the entrance corridor, at least for me, may be the prior one to this.

And I apologize, mixing comment with question.

I guess the other question I would have is you talked about the variety that you're trying to create in the complex, maybe even just looking at the site plan.

Could you talk a little bit about what, I realize there's variety in the gable forms or at least the number and orientation in the buildings.

I think that we're going to see one palette that gets deployed in a variety of ways.

So we might have a particular tone of gray that is our board and batten on one building and becomes our lap siding on another.

And again, that's where we kind of get into texture and shadow lines and

southern exposure with lots of sun and really working with one palette across all seven buildings but variety within each building again so that there's a sense of place making and also just to kind of break up the oppressive uniformity of having seven carbon copies of the same building so again that may not be it might be subtle but I think you know that we kind of see within this image where

I think that from a trim and facious standpoint, yes, there might be some room for discussion on just how dark the gray field in that sort of wraparound corner bay winds up becoming.

But I would say generally this is accounting for, you know, screen color and renderer's eye.

Okay, good.

Yes, thank you for your presentation.

For the site and the building, it's very, I think,

Very thoughtful in how you presented it, I mean, the project as a whole.

I just had one question about the condensing units, and my apologies, I didn't maybe review it thoroughly enough.

Okay, thank you.

And then maybe just help me understand how they're built.

Sorry, overshot it.

So we have, and that's one of the reasons why we are using

Gables instead of Hips is, even though that kind of opens us up to a somewhat higher end elevation that a hip might otherwise mitigate, it does leave us ample room to accommodate all of the dwelling units condensers within the roof wells.

It's just geometry and math that we have to work with.

So that's where in the section, building two, section number three on this sheet,

that we have kind of countersunk a roof well basically on the backside of the gable.

So what happens is between the roof well itself and then the guardrail height that we're building into the pitch of the 6 and 12 roof means that at no point from grade are you ever going to see

a condenser unit and essentially they are kind of you know we call them bathtubs it's a large opening within the the gable and we'll have you know within it a tpo roof and we've got we've selected a kind of a dark siding so that way it's not like a high contrast white within this black asphalt roof

Thank you.

So my questions just relate to two of the comments that were in the staff report and I guess the

The first one would be the false windows.

I think right now, like we're seeing in view number four on this page, the thought was, and again, this is sort of the tension of marrying the needs of the interior with how the balance of the exterior.

So rather than just having kind of a missing tooth within that gang of windows, the thought was is that we would get essentially a solid panel in the same color as the field that surrounds it and trim it out as any other window.

and I think that there certainly could be some other solutions to this conundrum but that was our kind of first thought was in order to maximize interior glazing obviously avoid conflicts you know that come with having a true blind window you know that that poses a number of

All right, thanks.

And my second question would be, and you can see on the

North elevation that we're looking at on this sheet that kind of mechanical, what I'll call shed was identified on the staff report.

It does look fairly utilitarian.

I was wondering.

This might be a comment more than a question, so we might put it off, but I was

I think the initial thought was to keep it small enough and dark enough again, much like with the roof wells, the idea that these kind of darker colors will start to recede in the background and work with landscaping to screen them as best we can.

But I also think as we've kind of established around the site that we've kind of created a little series of rules for ourselves with the way that all these gable and shed roof bays and balconies and all of this kit apart really kind of come together.

So it might be an opportunity where it becomes something more than it is and in doing so

then recedes into the background.

Yes, we'll go to see if there are any members of the public.

All right.

Thanks a lot.

We will now go into discussion.

Sure.

Overall, I think it's a really nice project and application.

I think

It has all the things we ask for.

I think it's evident that you worked with staff kind of throughout the rezoning, kind of in the early planning process.

And you're not trying to kind of fit a lot of these requirements of the guidelines in at site plan level.

It was kind of evident that you guys spent a lot of time on your site layout.

So I appreciate that.

I think the kind of limited palette, color palette is nice.

And I think with kind of all the architectural expressions, maybe variation, coupled with the kind of broken down, you know, you don't have two massive facades.

You have four buildings that front the corridor, I think is really nice.

You know, I think staff,

Comments, what we asked the applicant about, I think would be the only things that would maybe be a concern.

The windows, honestly, I don't know if the shed element, I don't know how much of an impact that will have on the corridor.

But I think all in all, generally, I think it's a really nice application.

Very thoughtful in how it was done and great presentation too.

It's always great to hear the thinking behind it.

Sometimes we don't get that level of presentation.

Those are my comments.

All right.

Thanks, Frank.

Sure well I'll echo Frank's praise for the site plan and the organization.

I think that I appreciate the way the team you know worked to work with the easements and staff and the setbacks and I also do think it's very thoughtful in terms of how the palette is developed and deployed.

along the elevations facing the EC.

I think as I alluded to in my questions that were really comments, I think I do have concerns about the scale of the end elevations of the buildings and the way that those 60 some foot wide gable ends kind of defeat what I think is otherwise a very successful modulation of scale.

And I think

The palette, I'm a little concerned, at least from the visualizations, I've seen that it is perhaps, from my perspective, overly dark and brooding and would appreciate consideration of ways to perhaps lighten it while still respecting the intent.

And then I appreciate, Chris, you and staff raising the points about the utility structures and the windows and would second those.

And just a couple of concerns on my part to work out.

Thanks, Dave.

I'm in agreement with my fellow board members.

I thought it was a

Thoughtful project that kind of successfully addressed the guidelines and breaks up what could be relatively large masses.

Same with the site plan.

Like it was well thought out and appropriate in general.

I do agree with

Generally the comments that did appear in the staff report, false windows, I don't know that they necessarily would need to be taken out, but I just think you can

It would be good to take a closer look at that.

But all in all, I'd say it was a successful project and a good presentation.

So the recommendation is for approval with the conditions listed in the staff report.

It looks like you all may want to discuss number one and number two.

Oh, sorry, maybe revise the design of the north elevation of building for it to remove or revise.

Yes, just in my own experience, I've run into that situation where you have a rhythm that you're setting up and that doesn't necessarily marry well with the internal layout.

So you want to do something and I've done that kind of false window.

I don't know that just a flat panel that's trimmed out like a window is.

Just looking at the rendering, that particular treatment looked a little bit unsuccessful to me.

I was just thinking, do we want them to find a solution that's got real windows, if possible?

I mean, I think that is consistent with our discussion today.

I'm good with those?

Yeah, me too.

I'll move to approve the application with the conditions listed in the staff report amended as follows.

All right, thanks.

Yes.

Mr. Van Der Werf?

Aye.

Aye.

We have two work sessions today.

Hey, good afternoon.

I'm Ben Holt.

I'm with the long range planning team.

So I'm going to give a quick overview of our comprehensive plan update.

So the name of the project is AC44, and we're updating our comprehensive plan.

And as you probably know, the purpose of the plan, but it guides growth, development, and investment for the county over a 20 year vision.

It's collaboration between community members, staff, and the county's elected and appointed officials.

So the types of recommendations that are included in the plan that guide

town where the county should grow, supportive local business and industry, supportive natural resources, multimodal transportation, and encouraging a variety of housing.

Each plan topic includes goals, objectives, and strategy, and at the top of the ladder is a goal.

It's a high-level vision.

An objective is a specific outcome or target, and the strategy are the implementation steps to achieve those objectives.

So what is AC44?

It stands for Albemarle County 2044.

We're hoping the plan will be adopted in 2024 so that there's a 20-year duration of the plan.

There's more information at the project website and that's within the county's engagement site engage.albemarle.org

Some of the reasons or some of the aims of the comprehensive plan we want to update reflects updated counties plans and policies that includes recent initiatives like the climate action plan, project enable, which is the economic development plan and housing Albemarle.

We also need to plan for projected population growth within the county and the associated demands that that places on urban services and infrastructure.

And I don't know if you've taken a look at our existing comprehensive plan.

It's pretty unwieldy document.

So we're hoping to create a streamlined plan with improved usability and prioritization within that plan.

We also need to align with new and updated state state code criteria, and we're seeking to incorporate best practices from other jurisdictions of Virginia and around the country.

So some of the recent initiatives to include are climate action, economic development, and multimodal transportation.

We also want to assure that equity is integrated into the plan because the county has now adopted community organizational value.

And with this improved plan usability, we want to articulate, prioritize goals.

We also want to incorporate metrics so we can track how successfully we're meeting our objectives.

and the document itself is going to be reduced and it's going to be more streamlined.

So we're now conducting outreach.

We're in phase two of four phases within this project.

Specifically, we really want to get input from community members, especially those who have not historically been well represented, you know, various ages, races, demographics.

We want to also during this plan update you know implement a transparent community engagement process allow everybody a chance to provide feedback and a variety of input options.

So here's a timeline we're at the beginning of phase two and within phase one we reviewed growth management options.

Right now we're looking at planning toolkits and draft policies.

Last year in phase one, the outcome of that, the major production or product from that was a framework for the rest of the plan and we're calling that a framework for an equitable and resilient community.

So these four big ideas for what we want the county to be in 20 years, a green and resilient community, welcoming and equitable, thriving and prosperous, connected and accessible.

These ideas will shape the goals, objectives and strategies of the new plan.

And specifically, that's what we're going to get into discussion today, are those goals and objectives.

So the goals and objectives relate to planned topics such as transportation, land use, housing, economic development, parks and recreation,

and resources which includes natural, cultural and historic and also community facilities.

So these planning toolkits which I've mentioned that we're starting to develop right now, it's a way to coordinate land use and transportation and create these activity centers throughout the county and provides guidance for form of development and incorporating multimodal transportation.

There's three steps within the current phase two.

So step one, discovering challenges and opportunities.

We've posted some information to our website and made that available to the public about the various plans within the comp plan, or excuse me, topics within the comp plan.

And we want to gauge the community's priorities for each of those subjects.

The planning toolkits, we're starting to create a process right now and just creating a framework for how we're going to approach that.

Breaking down different areas of the county for potential to potentially place these different centers.

And with the goals and objectives, we're incorporating that feedback from phase one and then

We'll marry that with the feedback we get from this current phase.

So we had an online questionnaire which just closed this past Friday.

We've gotten really good engagement, over 500 responses so far, which we're really pleased with.

We also just finished up a round of pop-ups.

These were events where county staff went out to the public, various public locations like schools and libraries.

We shared information about the comprehensive plan

information about the survey.

Right now we're still in the process of having community chats and these are hosted meetings, public engagement meetings whereby people go out in the community and they host a conversation about these comprehensive plan topics.

That's kind of being spearheaded by our appointed working group which has had their first meeting and will have their second meeting

to sort of review all the feedback that we're receiving in these community chats which go through April 14th.

So that brings us to the goals and objectives.

So we've got a high level goal for the historic cultural and scenic resources.

And those objectives include 11 objectives.

I'm going to let Mariah go into those objectives in further detail.

And we'll have some discussion so you all can share your thoughts about those objectives and how we might improve those for the updated version of the plan.

If we might be able to switch to my computer.

So here's the list of the goal and subsequent objectives for chapter five, the historic, cultural, and scenic chapter of the comp plan.

In the comp plan, the essence of this chapter boils down to and focuses on the identity of Albemarle County

It's grounded in what we came from and projects forward to our best version.

In the context of this discussion, we thought it would be helpful to see the objectives as bullet points of the core ideas so that we can identify what's important and what's missing at a high level.

So during the discussion, just keep in mind that the comp plan is a visionary document and it's also a roadmap to get there.

So at this point, we've given you three questions to think about.

Is this the right goal?

Is this list still relevant?

You've also got at your places a printout of the goal and objectives from

Actually it's more than, it's chapter five which you've got there and with the strategies we're not really getting into that level of detail today but sometimes those objectives make a little more sense if you see what was

the other text that goes with it.

All right, well, thanks a lot.

I guess we could start with objective one.

And I guess

My comment is it does seem like the right goal.

I recently found out that in conjunction with a project we were looking at that there was currently not a mechanism for

gaining approval to take down a historic structure unless it was, I guess, individually protected, which surprised me.

And so I think that would represent more hurdles for potential applicants.

I think, in general, if

want to preserve the character of the county, then there should be some kind of mechanism or some kind of default.

That's a great point.

I was just looking at the goal and just curious if you considered using the word natural or scenic or I think scenic refers to built landscapes as well as natural landscapes, but I think

Maybe there's room for natural or maybe you guys considered it and didn't use it.

That was one thought.

And then the second sentence and the goal, should we tie that back to identity?

And the reason is preserving that identity or conveying that identity that our uniqueness, why we are Albemarle County.

Yeah, I think adding to what Frank observed, I feel like building on our last, well, the survey we've been doing of the entrance corridors and more recently, as I think we're starting to recognize that really the rural character of so many of them is just fundamental to the character of the county.

And so I appreciate your suggesting adding natural or other things to emphasize landscape, you know, even more than structures perhaps.

And I think there are a lot of objectives that align with that in terms of,

You know, the ones about visual quality of roadways, entrance corridors, streams, views.

There might be a way maybe to further emphasize or bind that as like a key resource of the county that we want to be protected, preserved in the future.

And I wasn't sure related to that whether under objective to the protection programs and incentives

I can certainly imagine incentive programs.

In terms of protection programs, would that include county ordinances such as like zoning and other things?

Or, okay, great.

Because I think at least for my part, you know, I would encourage out of that objective thinking, and perhaps implementing

Bandscape is a big portion of the guidelines.

It is.

I guess getting to question two, whether or not the list is still relevant.

In my opinion, it's still relevant.

Nothing really

jumped out at me that it seemed like it was out of date or not still relevant at this point.

and then as far as question three if there was anything to add.

To me it seemed like there were no glaring gaps in that list but sometimes I have a harder time seeing an omission or identifying an omission than

Maybe just a question back to what you started with, Chris, about protection.

Is it easy enough to give an overview of what's protected and how it's protected?

Or is that something I need to do my homework on?

Just curious.

And just curious if you, in looking at that, I know, Margaret, you've been involved with historic resources in the county.

It's never gotten as far as the Board of Supervisors for a vote.

Back in 2000, the county's historic preservation plan was adopted.

That process started as a historic preservation plan and ordinance.

But as that work progressed, the committee that was working on it realized that really the plan needed to proceed any regulations associated with it.

So the plan moved forward and it was adopted in 2000.

When that was done, the Board of Supervisors at the time

directed the committee to focus efforts on educational and incentive measures, and that's what the committee has been doing since.

Is it staff's

Like policy is probably not the right word, but to ask an applicant that's planning to demolish a historic building to document it.

That is one of the policies of the Historic Preservation Committee and Chris is very much involved in working with the Historic Preservation Committee to do that.

It's not a requirement.

We ask the applicants for permission to have either staff or a committee member document the property.

Maybe that is helpful.

I don't know if that means that maybe I might suggest if objective two said protection regulations, you know, programs and incentives.

It's interesting.

Well, 50 years is often the typical cutoff for something to be considered old enough to be considered historically significant.

But not all localities do that.

Sometimes it's less.

They protect the listing, right?

That's true, and that's where requirements come in for that process.

If a locality has a local historic preservation ordinance, then they can become what's called a certified local government.

Good afternoon, Neil Williamson with the Free Enterprise Forum.

I appreciate this discussion and have a question as you look at the objectives and we're considering honing down and trying to make these more accessible.

Objective 10 speaks of visual quality of important views.

which is fine, but objective five picks out one property owner, private property owner and gives them powers according to the comp plan.

I know of one planning commissioner that raises this on a regular basis as an issue.

I would suggest that O5 could be rolled into O10 without significant loss in meaning and perhaps bringing all properties into the same realm.

Just an idea, thanks.

One observation I had was just about the graphic for the comp plan.

It kind of suggests residential development across the entire landscape.

So I hope you can explain.

It has three levels to it.

If you get to look at the full version of it, the first level is people doing different activities in rural areas.

You'll see a four board fence that's black.

And then it gets more urban in the last thing.

From left to right it goes from rural to urban.

And so the emblem is actually on the more urban side.

masks the commercial development.

So the first layer is pedestrian and people.

The second layer is residential, moving from residential forms to urban residential forms.

And then the third level is commercial.

Oh, great.

Thank you, Mariah.

Nice work.

So sorry.

Other comments?

After you leave, if you realize that there's something you should have said, please just email us.

Ben, do you think we've got what we need for now?

Yeah, I appreciate your feedback.

This isn't exactly what we were looking for.

As Margaret said, if you'd like to submit additional comments, I would just recommend you email Chris or Margaret and that'll be relayed to us.

I also wanted to mention that we, going back to the survey, we published some topic reports.

Those are still available on our website.

I thought the one that was produced for resources was very good.

A lot of the content was provided by Margaret and Chris and then also Scott Clark regarding natural resources.

One of the things, one of the trends that we identified was this protection of historic resources.

How we currently identify them but there's not really any teeth or regulation behind protection so

There's a chart in there that kind of shows demolition trends and how some of these are documented, some are not.

So I think with even just providing documentation, there's room for improvement there.

But if you want to go back and look at that report, I think it helps give a good primer for the kind of content that we need to address in this new version of the plan.

Well, that is helpful because the way the goal is written, entrance corridor is a second.

I guess for me, it would be a number two protection programs and incentives and

I like incentives more than, you know, regulations.

So that would be my top one.

Any other ones I think are on board?

Number eight.

I guess as I'm thinking about that in some ways in terms of thinking about what Neil said about how things could be condensed, I think if there were a way that maybe landscape could be emphasized as an overriding sort of asset and element to be preserved and sustained and one that would support ultimately the visual quality of a lot of places, viewsheds of lots of places and could also

help in terms of sustaining landscapes and environmental elements that would improve the visual quality of our stream.

That's helpful.

Well, thanks a lot.

Hello everyone.

I'll be presenting this portion as always and thank you again for your continued work and review of the corridors.

Today, we'll be reviewing the draft

This route is one of those that was recently designated as an arterial road by VDOT and thus enabling the entrance corridor guideline designation and application.

So route 742 is locally known as Avon Street Extended.

It runs between route 20 north to the city line.

at Moores Creek.

Overall, this corridor is characterized by distant mountain views to the east and then to the west as you travel north along the roadway.

Area zoning is primarily a mix of residential districts with pockets of light industry towards the south and PDSC plan development shopping center near Mill Creek Drive.

This is the precedent image for the corridor.

The top row focuses on frontage conditions, the next set of images on the distant views that are available, and then building forms and examples at the end.

This corridor was not broken up into segments so we just have the corridor sheet containing all of the information.

It's a relatively short corridor at 2.7 miles.

Well, I guess we'll just go through one round of questions and comments and then pick up discussion from there.

Just a comment or two.

Well done.

Looks good.

The vanity townhomes that front this road are super interesting.

You have a good image of those.

Just in this context, there's a lot of like the single family detached

residential back up on the other side.

But then I think right next to this is the elementary school.

Is that right?

Like right there.

But I feel like that we'll probably see applications that look like that in the future.

And knowing that we have that example is helpful to think through.

and it is nice how kind of you are pretty elevated up by the food line shopping center and stuff and some really distant views west I think and as you mentioned some views east.

Then this I think didn't we review, I'm trying to remember, we've reviewed a couple applications like down near the Wegmans back entrance.

Caliber collision.

I don't remember.

Thanks, Dave.

Thanks.

And I guess

My only comment seems appropriate to me to just have this as one segment, given the shortness of the corridor.

And picking up on what Frank said, I think the affinity picture is great, because I think in the future, there's going to be

More of that, I think, not just on this corridor, but on a lot of the entrance corridors.

Thank you.

All right, I guess we will move on to other business.

Second.

Mr. Hancock.

Aye.

All right, thanks a lot.

One question.

Oh, I guess that's the next item.

The question mark on our next meeting.

Okay.

So the next meeting is scheduled for April 3rd, 2023.

There are no regular review items.

I, for one, will not be in town for that.

I will also be with that meeting.

So, would we want to just put the next meeting off until the 17th, consider?

We won't be able to review, deferring any business here.

Yeah.

All right.

That sounds good to me, too.

So in that case, this meeting is adjourned until our next meeting on April 17th.

And by my watch, it is 2 16 p.m.

Thanks a lot, everybody.