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Architectural Review Board Meeting   9/6/2022

Attachments
  • Final Agenda.pdf
  • Final Action Memo.pdf
  • Final Action Memo Minutes.pdf
  • Entrance Corridor Design Guidelines Addenda.pdf
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:00:40
      All right, it's 1.01 p.m., calling the September 6, 2022 meeting of the Albemarle County Architecture Review Board's order.
    • 00:00:51
      Are you ready to call the roll?
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:00:55
      Yes.
    • 00:00:58
      Mr. Van Der Werf?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:01:00
      Present.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:01:01
      Mr. Henningsen?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:01:03
      Present.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:01:04
      Mr. Matsuno?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:01:06
      Present.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:01:07
      Mr. Hancock?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:01:09
      Present.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:01:11
      And Mr. Stoner is absent.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:01:16
      All right.
    • 00:01:16
      Thank you.
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      Today's meeting is a hybrid meeting.
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      The public may access and participate in the meeting electronically.
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      Instructions for doing so are posted on the Albemarle County website at the Albemarle County calendar.
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      The public has real-time audio-visual access to this meeting over Zoom and real-time audio access over telephone.
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      Both is provided in the Lawfully Posted Meeting Notice.
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      This meeting is being recorded and will be made available on the county's website.
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      This meeting is a public record and subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.
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      All speakers, when it is your turn to speak, please first state your name for the record.
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      Applicants who are making presentations note that your presentation is limited to a total of 15 minutes, which you can divide among your team members.
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      Carolyn or Vivian will let us know when the 15 minutes are up.
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      If applicants in the meeting room have team members attending virtually who will need to present, please make that known when you come to the podium.
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      Everyone who is participating virtually, please mute your microphone until it is your turn to speak.
    • 00:02:30
      Do any ARB members have anything to disclose?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:02:35
      No.
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      No.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:02:37
      No.
    • 00:02:39
      Me either.
    • 00:02:42
      Vivian, are there any members of the public that want to make a comment about a project that is not on the agenda for review?
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:02:48
      Not at this time.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:02:49
      Alright, great.
    • 00:02:53
      We do not have a consent agenda today.
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      And there are no regular review items today.
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      There is one work session today.
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      It is on the entrance corridor design guidelines addenda.
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      Margaret and Mariah, is your presentation ready?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:03:13
      Yes.
    • 00:03:16
      So this is very brief.
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      What we're sharing with you today is the the one pages or the addenda for portions of the I-64 entrance corridor.
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      The slide that you're seeing now is the
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      One showing the history and the general characteristics of progression and then some details and images for the I-64 corridor.
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      These two pages cover the western and central portions of the corridor.
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      The eastern segment of the corridor has not been surveyed yet, so we'll have to come back around and hopefully just add a little bit of information to these two pages to fill that out when we get that survey done.
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      So the others that we have for review today are two of the Route 240 segments.
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      We have the overall sort of the intro sheet for Route 240, the Lickinghole Creek segment, and the three notched residential segment.
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      Whoops, let me go back.
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      Just to point out here for the Route 241s, there are in the survey work that was done, there were a total of seven segments.
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      So at our next meeting, we hope to get the rest of those segments to you for review.
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      You may have noticed in these
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      that the maps have changed a bit.
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      Mariah can tell us, give us some more detail on that if you like, but hopefully those are highlighting the segments better as you all requested.
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      So that's looking a little bit different there.
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      So I'll just leave it at that.
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      I think that's everything that I had to point out, but happy to get your comments on those segments.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:05:07
      All right.
    • 00:05:07
      Thanks a lot, Margaret.
    • 00:05:11
      We'll go into discussion.
    • 00:05:14
      Dade, do you have any comments?
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:05:17
      Just would like to extend my compliments again to Mariah and Margaret on this resource that I think is coming together very well.
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      I think the updated segment graphics work well at highlighting the segment.
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      And I just thank you.
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      Looks great.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:05:33
      Thanks.
    • 00:05:34
      Frank, do you have any comments?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:05:36
      Sure.
    • 00:05:37
      I'll echo Dade's comments.
    • 00:05:39
      I think they look great.
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      I think the template is really nice.
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      This might be what you referred to, Margaret, about the map, just the consistency with the white arrow.
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      That stood out to me, but I like that.
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      If that's something we're going to do moving forward on the other maps, I think that's a great idea.
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      And then one comment, just thinking about, I know these corridors are tough.
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      We might have to look really hard for buildings and just maybe double check.
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      If there are any buildings or any, you know,
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      Historic Resources or buildings of significance that would be worth including.
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      I know these corridors, especially 64 West and everything is really about the landscape and the distant views, but you know, this might be it, but maybe just another thing to think about.
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      So thank you.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:06:34
      Great work.
    • 00:06:36
      All right.
    • 00:06:37
      Thanks, Frank.
    • 00:06:38
      Tara, do you have any comments?
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:06:39
      No, I think that the board members have mostly covered it.
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      I guess the one thing was just, I was curious, I noticed a couple of citations of historic resources in this segment.
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      I was wondering if those were from a board member who had worked on this segment or if staff had dug those up, if there are any other ways to sort of supplement some of the research into portions of the corridor with other sources.
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      I thought that would be helpful.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:07:08
      Sure, the citations are, I think, mostly for the historical portions of the text.
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      If you all have any suggestions on resources that we should be consulting to contribute to that, I'm happy to have those suggestions.
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      Yeah, it's just basically what I found trying to get some of the history on the roads in there.
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:07:36
      Great.
    • 00:07:36
      Yeah, I just didn't know if there was, like,
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      or a particular resource that you all refer to frequently that you can look into.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:07:45
      Yeah, it would be great if there's a single book that has all the history in there that I can just pull out.
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      I haven't found it yet, but if you all know it, please tell me.
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:07:54
      All right, well, thank you.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:07:57
      All right, thanks, Tara.
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      I also just thought that the improvements of the graphics for the segments was great, and that was
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      really my only comment.
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      These are just as good as the other ones that we've seen so far.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:08:18
      Thanks.
    • 00:08:19
      Anything else on those?
    • 00:08:21
      Am I good?
    • 00:08:23
      Mariah, did you want to add anything?
    • 00:08:25
      No?
    • 00:08:25
      Good.
    • 00:08:27
      Great.
    • 00:08:27
      Thank you.
    • 00:08:28
      Great.
    • 00:08:28
      Thank you.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:08:29
      Thanks.
    • 00:08:30
      All right.
    • 00:08:31
      So we'll go to other business.
    • 00:08:34
      Anybody would like to make a motion to adopt the August 15th, 2022 minutes?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:08:42
      So moved.
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      And I'll second.
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      All right.
    • 00:08:48
      Bevin, could you call the vote on that?
    • SPEAKER_06
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      Mr. Hancock?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:08:55
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:08:57
      Mr. Matsuno?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:08:59
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:08:59
      Mr. Henningsen?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:09:02
      Aye.
    • SPEAKER_06
    • 00:09:03
      Mr. Van Der Werf.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:09:05
      Aye.
    • 00:09:09
      Thank you.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
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      The next ARB meeting is scheduled for September 19th, 2022.
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      This will be an in-person meeting.
    • 00:09:22
      Is there anyone who will not be present for that?
    • 00:09:29
      All right, so it sounds like we'll have four at least.
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      Does anyone have any other items they would like to discuss?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:09:41
      We have a few if none of the board members do.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:09:44
      I just had a question about the hybrid format.
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      The Zoom option is open to any applicant.
    • 00:09:54
      Is that correct?
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      Or is there a requirement for some like some member of the applicant team to be in person?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:10:02
      I don't think that there's any specific requirement for the applicants themselves.
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      At the Planning Commission and Board of Supervisors meetings, they've been here or virtual or a mix.
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      So I think that that option is open to the board as well.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:10:22
      And for board members, the option is
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:10:24
      So that is one of the items that we wanted to cover with you today.
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      So the ARB is one of the boards that has the option for some remote participation.
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      And we can get you these details.
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      We'll email it to you after the meeting.
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      I'm just going to run through some of the important points.
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      What this option allows is for some of the members to participate virtually under certain circumstances.
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      The quorum must be physically present in the room.
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      In order to take advantage of that, you have to adopt a policy.
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      And if it's something that you want to do, our county attorney's office will help us get that policy in place for you.
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      If you have that policy,
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      You have to follow it.
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      You have to follow it strictly and uniformly.
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      Members who are not present physically can ask to participate remotely based on a personal medical condition, a family member's medical condition, a distant meeting location, or an identified personal matter.
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      And this can be two times per year or 25% of the meetings, whichever is greater.
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      So we'd have to be tracking this all along and keeping track.
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      And we have to record remote participation requests and decisions in your minutes.
    • 00:12:00
      Questions on that?
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:12:04
      Sorry, so you said that the option could be exercised two times or 25%, which is lesser or?
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:12:13
      I think it would probably be about three times.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:12:16
      Well, I mean, it depends.
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      If we meet every meeting that we have scheduled, you know, that would be 24 meetings, 25% of, you know, you could do the math, but we don't always meet every meeting.
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      So that's why we have to sort of keep track as we go and do a little math along the way.
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:12:35
      Okay.
    • 00:12:39
      And that these are sort of the guidelines that have already been adopted.
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      So we would just select whether we would like to adopt these or not.
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      But there's no possibility of modifying any of those.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:12:50
      Those rules are the rules.
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      So I guess the question for you today is, are you interested in having this option?
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      And if so, then we'll work with the county attorney's office to get a policy for you to adopt.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:13:07
      I guess since the quorum has to be physically present, I don't know if it would really change how much we're able to meet or not.
    • 00:13:19
      I'd be happy to consider it further.
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      In some ways, I'd be inclined just to keep it simple.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:13:26
      Yeah, I tend to agree.
    • 00:13:28
      I mean, it seems like it would be nice if a member was not able to join but could join virtually.
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      to allow them to do that unless it involves a lot of effort on your part to make that happen, in which case, since the quorum, as Dade said, if the quorum has to be here anyway, then that seems like an option that's a little bit remote that you would want to attend virtually.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:14:07
      Yeah I mean I think I tend to agree with Dade that you know maybe do nothing and save staff and everybody the work of creating this policy and then we vote on it and I mean I like the idea of improved accessibility but I think you would want full
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      you know, duties or full, you know, maybe that's not the right term, but be able to participate in the meeting fully if you're remote.
    • 00:14:41
      But if you think back to previous times before COVID, we seem to get along okay without, you know, I could go either way.
    • 00:14:52
      I mean, I'm here today, so I plan to be here in person,
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:14:59
      and I would imagine that if I had one of those extenuating circumstances my first choice would be to attend a meeting virtually.
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:15:08
      Yeah, I think, I guess, like everyone else I'm here, I plan to attend in person.
    • 00:15:15
      I guess I could only see the possibility of adopting it if somebody had an extenuating circumstance or some medical reason why they couldn't be present.
    • 00:15:25
      So for that reason, I would, if it doesn't matter either, I guess if we feel like the
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      The work of the board would go on primarily in person anyway.
    • 00:15:37
      I guess my inclination would be just to adopt it and continue meeting in person as we are.
    • 00:15:44
      But I also don't have, yeah, I think that the difference is pretty small between the two cases.
    • 00:15:55
      So I can go either way, I guess.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:15:59
      Yeah, I mean, to me, especially with the 25% limit,
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      You know, that kind of makes it a predominantly in-person event anyway.
    • 00:16:09
      So, yeah, might as well just make it all in-person.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:16:17
      Okay.
    • 00:16:19
      I'm happy to talk with Frank Stoner about it and see if he's of that general opinion or if he feels strongly one way or the other.
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      And if he does, then we can revisit it at the next meeting.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:16:29
      Yeah.
    • 00:16:30
      Margaret, one more question, sorry.
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      Was this an option for the planning commission and the board of supervisors or is this arena?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:16:39
      Yeah.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:16:39
      Do you know what they did?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:16:40
      The board, they both have used the option.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:16:50
      Okay, so they've adopted the policy.
    • 00:16:53
      Yeah.
    • 00:16:53
      Okay.
    • 00:16:55
      And maybe it's not as much work for staff to... Yeah.
    • 00:16:59
      I'm always conscious of what we ask you to do, draft the policy, meet with, you know, do all the things you have to do.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:17:05
      Yeah, I don't think that, my guess is that drafting the policy is not a big deal, probably just a, you know, since it's already been done for one or more boards that might be just changing out a few words here and there, we can check with the county attorney's office and make sure that, my guess is it's not a huge amount of work.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:17:23
      Okay.
    • 00:17:23
      Because Taro makes a great point, just to have it there for, you know, any unforeseen circumstances
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      And like I said, I think for general accessibility, I think it's really nice that we have this option.
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:17:37
      Okay.
    • 00:17:39
      I guess also, if we're already running hybrid meetings anyway, it's also not as much additional staff work to set up the system.
    • 00:17:47
      So as long as that's the case, I don't see any reason why not.
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:17:51
      Does the board member's giant face go on the screen?
    • 00:17:55
      So then maybe you won't attend.
    • 00:17:57
      That'll be a deterrent.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:18:03
      Anything else on that topic for now?
    • 00:18:06
      No?
    • 00:18:07
      Okay.
    • 00:18:08
      The one other other business item for you is just a sort of a logistical setup thing.
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      If we do have material samples for you to review, do you have a preference as to where they should be set up?
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      Do you want them behind you so you can get up and pick them up and look at them?
    • 00:18:29
      Do you want them in front of you so you can be seeing them or
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      We can always, we could bring a cart that doesn't look nice and sit it in front of you and put them on it.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:18:45
      To me, that seems like a good location.
    • 00:18:47
      It seems like anyone who's in the audience can see it.
    • 00:18:52
      And it's a little more accessible to us if we did want to like, you know, rip something off and say like, never, like you could do that.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:19:01
      Meaning where it is or in front of you here.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:19:05
      I think here because then you could say like you know this color if you could make it you know darker or whatever you know at least you could point to it where it is now or refer to it.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:19:20
      Does that work for everybody?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:19:22
      Yeah sounds good.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:19:23
      Okay uh one other thing uh one other question for you um
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      Back in the before times, we had these notebooks at your places.
    • 00:19:33
      We had some assorted information in them.
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      Have you gotten used to not having it and you don't need them anymore?
    • 00:19:40
      Or would you like us to start bringing these back for reference?
    • 00:19:44
      And Tara, I realize you probably don't know what we're talking about.
    • 00:19:47
      But these had the schedule and maybe a map of the entrance corridors and
    • 00:19:54
      a copy of the entrance quarter overlay district ordinance and a copy of the guidelines and some other information like that.
    • 00:20:03
      So would you find this handy again or have you grown out of it?
    • Frank HancockVice Chair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:11
      I like it.
    • 00:20:13
      Virtually I would have a lot of that information or you know anything I needed on another screen.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:21
      I didn't have a before time either.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:20:26
      That's all the questions that I had prepared.
    • 00:20:37
      Do you all have any questions about the technology or the room set up or any requests or anything that we can be working on for the next meeting?
    • Taro MatsunoMember, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:20:47
      I guess just what is
    • 00:20:51
      If I wanted to refer to some of the submission materials, would it be okay if I brought like a laptop or some sort of device?
    • 00:20:57
      Could I connect to the Wi-Fi here to access it, all that kind of stuff?
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:21:01
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:21:02
      Anything?
    • 00:21:02
      Yes.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:21:09
      Great.
    • 00:21:09
      Okay.
    • 00:21:10
      That's very helpful.
    • 00:21:10
      Thank you.
    • 00:21:11
      But normally like an applicant's presentation will appear on these screens here as they're...
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:21:16
      Right.
    • 00:21:17
      Typically the applicant will come up to the podium and then
    • 00:21:22
      People other than me will work the magic and make it show up.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:21:30
      Other questions?
    • 00:21:33
      No.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:21:35
      Y'all think of anything you need to ask?
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:21:37
      Sitting arrangements.
    • Margaret MaliszewskiPlanning Manager
    • 00:21:39
      Are you happy with your seating room?
    • 00:21:40
      Actually, Taro, you're at Frank Stoner's name plate, but if you prefer that seat, we can keep you there.
    • 00:21:52
      We've sort of moved you off center a little so that we can see you a little better.
    • 00:21:57
      Does that work for you all?
    • 00:22:01
      Yeah.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:22:03
      Okay.
    • 00:22:03
      Anything else you want to go?
    • 00:22:11
      Okay, I think we're good.
    • Chris HenningsenChair, Architectural Review Board
    • 00:22:18
      Great.
    • 00:22:19
      All right.
    • 00:22:19
      Well, thank you.
    • 00:22:21
      This meeting is adjourned to the next meeting on September 19th.
    • 00:22:26
      It is 1 23 p.m.
    • 00:22:31
      I'll see everyone.