Architectural Review Board Meeting   12/6/2021

and Greg Stoner.

You're good to go.

Do any ARB members have anything to disclose today?

No.

Carolyn, are there any members of the public that want to make a comment about a project that's not on the agenda for review?

Not at this time, there isn't, no.

and I'll ask you, Chris, for the presentation.

Thanks.

I'd be happy to try to answer any questions.

Chris Henningsen?

Thanks.

Frank Stoner.

I'm just struggling to remember what's on either side.

Either side of the building?

Yeah, the building itself.

The site of a former Wendy's enterprise would be to the north and public stores would be speedway gas stations to the south.

You know, their building sits back further than the Wendy's does, I think, right?

is to the Enterprise at its current time.

And I assume the trees that are shown in this aerial between Enterprise and Discount Tire would go away as part of the site work or are those actually on the Enterprise site?

I believe those would go away, but let me

That's all I had.

Frank Hancock, any questions?

Couldn't remember if that was a comment from the initial site plan or if that was something we discussed at the work session.

No.

OK. That's it.

Thank you.

Was that red rectangle representing where the overhead lines were?

Yes, it was highlighting the approximate location.

And is the only conflict that one tree that's up in the corner that it overlaps with?

We're respecting the one tree you pointed out and potentially the other two north of that entrance to the site, the height and spread of the proposed species.

All right, I'll ask for the applicant's presentation now.

I will share my screen momentarily here.

And then as this comes up,

Just wanted to hash out and talk about this parking area.

I'll start with Frank Stoner this time.

Chris's report, I guess we can discuss more in committee in our session, but I'm generally pretty comfortable with what I see here.

Yeah, sure.

Frank Hancock.

Just curious how you feel about that.

Can we talk about that a little bit since you brought that up, the white color of the ACM?

Yes.

and at the same time satisfy your needs also if the white is too bright or whatever the issue may be.

Do some things on the site that could help minimize the impact of that color and that feature on the entrance corridor.

is deceiving in an elevation if you will.

Helps everybody understand what the full impact of that is.

So it really visually it's way further back than you are normally used to seeing retail upfront near a street.

Yes.

I think that would go to helping the first point about the white ACM panels as well.

Yes, we can look into evergreens and we were certainly trying to provide a variety of plant types in there from color aspect as well, just from the overall site side of things, but we can look into that with greens.

If you're able to screen it, if you're able to even paint it in the same color as the plant material and help it disappear, would that be something that the board would consider?

I think that's a good, sorry, go ahead, Frank.

You know, if it is this trellis, you know, we as a board would just need to understand how that would completely screen it, maybe and what that, how that system works, if it's pulled away from the building, or is there something else that completely screens it?

In fact, it will almost completely disappear.

Yeah, and then I think we would just be looking into plant type I think would be critical as something that would completely screen it.

Correct.

Okay.

Right.

But in the new brand image, it's a thin red line that you see from the sides that mimics the discount tire red color.

I see.

Let me go to the previous highlighted.

Okay, I see.

So it would have been nice to keep that red and the white in the front if the board is acceptable to it.

Frank Stoner, did you have any other questions?

It's only visible once you turn the corner.

That's right, Frank.

How is the screen that's flush with the wall, I assume, going to screen that system?

Usually doing the gates works out much better because it maintains the continuity of the vines and everything else.

Trellis that would essentially come along the face of the building and then go up and around the switch gear and then continue again on the face of the building?

Well, it will be a straight line in front of the switch gear, but that straight line will have built-in gates in it, which allow it to open.

Correct.

The other locations, they will be up close to the building wall and anchored to the wall itself, but at the switch gear, it will be more offset.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, no problem.

Do you know approximately how deep that switchgear cabinet is?

The switchgear cabinet usually is about six feet wide by two feet deep and the trellis would be a foot away from the switchgear so it'll be three feet from the wall and the width is much larger because I think the goal was to mimic the garage doors on the other side.

if that is going to work visually.

So you're concerned, Christian, about the side being visible because of it being open?

I mean, really, much of what we're talking about on this side of the building, I don't think is gonna be all that visible, but at least as a straight on shot, like if you're looking at the front of the building, for example, from Seminole Trail, you're actually gonna see this three foot gap between the freestanding screen panel.

I can take that back to them and maybe present some solutions.

switched gear panel being painted the same color as the wall behind and just not having the screen panel in that location.

That would be very helpful, Chris.

would look less good than just having the switchgear painted to match the background and kind of disappear into the wall.

It's doing less harm, not as much good, you know?

It's just this one particular location, you know, it looks better, I think, in elevation than I think would look in reality.

I think that's a great suggestion, Christian, if the rest of the board would agree.

Chris, any other questions or comments from the board for the applicant?

Thanks.

Carolyn, is there a member of the public who would like to comment on this?

No, not at this time.

This may be one of those situations where we kind of all come off mute and discuss different options, but I'll start with Frank Hancock.

So those are my thoughts.

Chris, any comments or thoughts?

So I don't have any specific comments beyond what's mentioned in the staff report.

Mr. Stoner?

Just for clarification, my understanding is that the switchgear is in a cabinet, is that correct?

Yes, it is in a cabinet.

Okay, and that cabinet could be painted the same color as the wall.

Correct.

So yeah, that's kind of where I am.

We'll go through them.

Are you able to see my Word document?

Yes, we are.

I didn't hear discussion about the form and distribution of materials in number three.

We can do that.

We just described that.

Just described this portion of it.

Yeah.

OK. And then number five says the same thing.

yeah and number four we can do a wing wall so that the gear is screened completely from Seminole Trail it will be in the same direction as the front edge so we can do a little wing wall that's attached to the building will be painted in the same color as the building it will screen the unit it will not hinder its opening of the doors and everything so make it functional also and at the same time it will screen it from Seminole Trail

Number four is talking about taking the trellises all the way down to the ground.

Eliminate the one in the front by the switch gear.

revised the plant values to extend down the elevation to match the form of the bay doors along the south elevation.

OK.

Sorry, Frank.

Sorry, do we need to add that we're removing the one on the closest to the corridor there?

And then number seven, I think we are saying that relocation is still an option if the applicant chooses to go that direction, but an alternative could be to add a wing wall and paint the cabinet to match the building.

Thank you so much.

So we might rather than saying revise site plan and consider revising.

Note that this will likely require the elimination of some parking spaces in the eighth space rear adjacent to the 29 frontage.

Does that sound right, everyone?

So again, I guess we change that revise to consider revising since we're providing it.

It's one or the other.

Is that what you were asking, Margaret?

to make sure that, just to be sure that the app can understand that it's one or the other for both number seven and number 11.

Right, right.

Okay.

Can we go back to three for a minute?

Sure.

I don't think we're asking them to do that anymore, are we?

Right.

In fact, I think just having it slightly higher helps to accentuate it and make it stand out as an entrance.

I do too.

Chris and Frank, are you okay with those?

Yeah, now I'm on board with that.

Yes.

Yep.

Do you want to keep this adding a canopy to the EC elevation?

Which one are we talking about, number eight?

My question is, does the ARB want to keep the phrase adding a canopy to the EC elevation?

I mean, as Frank, you're pointing out, there is no actual entrance there, right?

There is an entrance there.

If you want to pull up the floor plan, I can show you, Chris.

White and going back right here.

So are you thinking about a canopy above that, a trellis or a canopy above it?

I think the recommendation was made to add a canopy there because it's a more traditional part of a building front and emphasize that the front is facing the entrance corridor street even if it's not exactly the way the building's being used and adding a canopy there might help with the scale of that larger feature.

We can add a canopy there.

Shifting, aligning, and adding a canopy.

Is that what I understand?

Yes.

We can add a canopy there.

I know we're kind of in discussion, but it's sort of also a conversation.

Okay, so maybe just for clarity here, we'll say adding a canopy to the middle bay of the EC elevation.

Yeah, that'll be helpful.

Are there other items on the list that board members would like to look at?

Well, with those changes, does anybody want to tackle a motion?

I'll make a motion.

Alternatively, locate larger trees further into the planting area towards the building and one in the parking area, eliminating one parking space.

Do we have a second?

That was quite an effort there.

And Carolyn, could you call the vote, please?

Mr. Henningsen?

Aye.

Mr. Missel?

And thank you, applicant.

So appreciate everybody's time.

Margaret, do you have your presentation?

I am going to try to share this again, see if it works this time without crashing my computer.

I apologize.

2.25?

Yes, 2.25.

We'll still have a quorum of people over.

Are you able to see my PowerPoint slide?

Just one, not two?

Good, okay, great.

The proposal also retains the screening wall on the entrance corridor side of the site, and it extends that to enclose a new dumpster.

You're still on the first slide that says what the project is.

Could you pull up my presentation and I will run through it again?

I'm still having this issue of

What are you all seeing?

Nothing is being shared.

OK. Well, that's good.

Chris, are you able to find my presentation for us?

They're reviewing it now?

Here we go.

conditions when you are ready to see them.

Any questions for Margaret?

Thanks.

Frank Hancock?

It's a teardown in a new building.

That's what it looks like to me, yes.

OK. Just curious, do you know much about the history of the windows that are in that screen wall?

Is there something in particular you're wondering or?

Although you're gonna say you have a lot of time for me to tell you the story.

And so that was, that treatment was settled on to make that design.

So that was, they were kind of as a result of the ARB review, came out of ARB review?

make sure that more of an active elevation facing the street.

Frank Stoner?

I don't have any questions right now.

What visibility is there of this building with that existing screen wall there from the entrance quarter?

It's not a long sustained view, but the parts of the building and definitely the screen wall are visible.

Or is it above the screen wall also?

I don't know that you would see much of the building above the screen wall be more the screen wall and then an angled view of the overall.

Applicant, do you have a presentation for us?

If I can, I can share my screen and kind of show you what the street view looks like, if that's helpful.

Go ahead and do that here.

So this is, of course, with leaves on the trees, but here is your screen wall with the windows.

There we go.

Field measurement done before this next submittal and revise the architectural drawings to show a matching face to the surrounding buildings.

Great.

But yeah, happy to answer any other questions you guys have.

Chris, do you have any questions for the applicant?

Detailing of that existing wall or is it just kind of the height of that existing or the proposed BFS band?

Is that, was that your question?

Is the proposed gonna have a similar, you know, profile or is it, are you still talking about the, just kind of a flat panel at the top of the Chipotle?

That was a.

Frank Hancock.

Thanks, Carter.

In addition to those windows, is the intent to just leave it as it is?

OK, thanks.

Frank Stoner.

I don't have any additional questions.

Is there any public comment related to this application?

No, there sure isn't.

Frank Stoner, any thoughts for discussion?

Thank you.

Frank Hancock.

No, I don't have anything to add on top of what's on the staff report.

Chris?

So I'm pretty comfortable with that.

Sounds like there may not be any adjustments, but it doesn't look like we need to make a motion either, correct?

So you would be making a motion and it would be for to recommend approval of the initial plan with the recommendations in the staff report.

Do we have a motion to that extent?

I'll move to

Do we have a second?

I'll second, sir.

Carolyn, can you call the vote, please?

Mr. Stoner?

Aye.

Mr. Hancock?

Aye.

Mr. Henningsen?

Aye.

Mr. Missel?

Aye.

Thank you.

First one is, can I get a motion to adopt the November 15th, 2021 ARB minutes?

So moved.

And vote please, Carolyn.

Mr. Hancock?

Aye.

Mr. Henningsen?

Aye.

Mr. Missel?

Is everybody planning to be able to be here for the 20th?

I do not think I'll be here.

I do plan to make it as well.

Everybody's still good with that?

Yeah.

So just wanted to make that note today.

And with that, I will adjourn the meeting until December 20th.

See you all then.

Take care.

Bye.