Board of Supervisors Regular Second Meeting   4/20/2022

1. Call to Order.

2. Pledge of Allegiance.

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    indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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    If you will now please join us in a moment of silence.

3. Moment of Silence.

• • SPEAKER_19
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    All right board, we will now move to item number four, the adoption of the agenda.

4. Adoption of Final Agenda.

• • SPEAKER_19
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    Are there any motions to amend or is there a motion to adopt the agenda?
• • SPEAKER_11
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    I move we adopt the agenda.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    All right, we have a motion from Supervisor McKeel and a question from Supervisor Mallek.
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    Supervisor Malek, if you would pull that down.
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    I believe that now would be the time to reference it and then that they would be actually pulled from the consent agenda at that time.
• • SPEAKER_15
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    I will need to pull the minutes of the 19th, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    All right, thank you.
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    So we have a motion from Supervisor McKeel and I understand a second from Supervisor Malek.
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    All right, any discussion?
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    Seeing none, if the clerk will call the roll.
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    Ms.
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    Mallek?
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    Yes.
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    Ms.
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    McKeel?
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    Yes.
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    Ms.
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    Price?
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    Aye.
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    Mr. Andrews?
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    Yes.
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    Mr. Galloway?
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    Yes.
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    Ms.
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    Lapisto-Kirtley?
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    Aye.

5. Brief Announcements by Board Members.

• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you, Board.
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    At this time, we will have brief announcements by Board members.
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    Supervisor Lapisto-Kirtley?
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    No announcements at this time.
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    Thank you very much.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you.
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    Supervisor Galloway?
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    I just want to note that I was
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    I'm grateful to be asked to participate in welcoming Greater Charlottesville in an Iftar a week ago Sunday.
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    It was held at the downtown pavilion.
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    The Central Virginia Islamic Association was also part of that.
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    Chief Reeves was also there to be able to say a few words.
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    But it was just nice to be included to learn more about the Ramadan holiday and what the Iftar is designed to do and Learn more about that practice.
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    So I was thankful grateful for the ability or the opportunity to participate I just wanted to share that.
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    Thank you.
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    Thank you supervisor Galloway.
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    It's it's just amazing how wonderful and diverse our community is supervisor Andrews
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    Only announcement, just a shout out to VDOT in recognition of the announcement that they've cleared nearly a million cubic yards of debris from the culprit district.
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    And they compared that, I guess, to the 2012 derecho where they cleared 120,000 cubic yards.
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    So that's amazing.
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    Thank you.
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    And to the patients of people waiting for their roads to be cleared.
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    Thank you, Supervisor Andrews.
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    You may need, we all may need to remember to bring our microphones a little closer to us just to ensure everyone can hear.
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    Supervisor McKeel.
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    And Bea says lower.
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    Mike's lower.
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    Yes.
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    I just wanted to recognize that Burleigh School now has a new marker that recognizes Burleigh School as a National Historic Landmark.
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    I would encourage everyone.
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    Did I just die?
• • SPEAKER_19
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    OK.
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    I would encourage everyone.
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    All the mics went?
• • SPEAKER_19
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    They all went.
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    Hold on just a second.
• • SPEAKER_11
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    Nicole's working there.
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    You can shout it out because there's so many people here.
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    We will now pause for technical difficulties.
• • SPEAKER_11
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    Bea suggested I just shout because people can hear us.
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    Well, to make sure that those online can also hear us.
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    Yeah, we were just teasing.
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    Check one and two.
• • SPEAKER_11
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    In the old days, that's what we could have done.
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    Project is a better word than shout out.
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    Ned knows how to project.
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    That's right.
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    Oh, there it is.
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    Oh, there we go.
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    Hello.
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    Thank you.
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    Hello.
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    All right, Supervisor McKeel.
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    I thought I was projecting.
• • SPEAKER_11
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    You are projecting, yeah.
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    I will start over again.
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    I attended, as did Donna and several other elected officials from the area and dignitaries, the celebration of the placement of the Burley School National Historic Landmark.
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    and I encourage everyone to ride by.
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    There's plenty of road parking you can stop and read that marker.
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    But certainly it celebrates Burley School as a critical historic
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    Building in our community, as we all know, it was the previous Albemarle, Charlottesville black school until our schools were segregated.
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    And it has lots of rich history that I won't go into today, but it really was a wonderful celebration of that event.
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    And I encourage folks to look up Burley School or to certainly ride by and take a look at the marker.
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    And, oh, on a more serious note, I want to just remind folks that we had, in this country, three mass shootings over Easter weekend.
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    And as of early April, we have had 119 mass shootings in this country.
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    We have to do more than just point it out, we have to do more than
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    Think about it.
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    We really have to somehow or another deal with the proliferation of guns and illegal guns and what's happening in this country.
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    And with that, Donna, thank you.
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    Thank you.
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    Supervisor Malek.
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    Thank you very much and I agree with both the comments Ms.
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    McKeel made.
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    The Brilly Bears have shown great determination over 15 years to accomplish all the remembrances that they have done and I'm proud of them.
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    Things are happening.
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    It's spring and we're finally able to get together.
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    And so there are a lot of events coming up to bring back things that were happening for many years before two years ago.
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    The first one, April 24th, is part of Virginia Garden Week, Sunday from 10 to 5.
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    There will be three properties in Browns Cove open for the garden tour.
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    These are three homes of the Brown brothers who each fought in the Revolutionary War.
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    and for whom Browns Gap Turnpike was named.
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    On April 30th and May 1st, so the next weekend, the White Hall Virgin is returning to in person their plant sale 8 to 1 Saturday and 11 to 2 Sunday and this is pieces which were grown from seed for this sale or things which were dug from people's gardens and shared with the community.
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    May 1st, which is a Sunday again, 11 to 3, the Flow River, Rivanna River Festival.
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    It will be home-based at Lewis and Clark Exploratory Center.
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    With arts, there will be painters along the river who will then bring their paintings to the center for display in the afternoon.
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    And there's music on the bateau and lots of children's activities and hiking on the trails.
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    And last, almost last, May 7th and 8th is the Crozet Arts and Crafts Festival.
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    It's been around since 1980, open 10 to 5.
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    and it's what provides the funds for the operation of the Crozet Park.
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    More than 100 artists will be there showing and selling their pieces, music, food trucks and children's activities and take mom out to Crozet Park for Mother's Day.
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    Last, and while it is months away in September, the Ivy Materials Utilization Center will be offering again a collection of unwanted and outdated pesticide materials and this is incredibly important that these things not be thrown in the trash.
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    but bag them up and put them aside until September to take them to Ivy and thank you very much.
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    Thank you and I have several announcements as well.
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    First off, nationwide we have now reached 988,000 deaths from the COVID pandemic and while I'm sure everyone has seen that recently interstate transportation has relaxed the masking rules, the Omicron
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    BA2 variant is still very infectious and people still need to be diligent.
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    We are not completely out of the woods yet.
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    This morning I had the opportunity to observe a LEAP, that's the Local Energy Alliance Program energy audit at a house.
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    They do provide these energy audits for any household.
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    They have a sliding scale of payments to accommodate any budgetary ability, and it's amazing the small things you can do to dramatically
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    reduce your energy consumption.
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    Little things like insulation foam at your outlets will stop airflow through your infrastructure on your home, all the way up to sealing your attic and things like that.
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    So I encourage people to look into that.
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    Last week had the opportunity to represent the county.
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    at Founders Day at Monticello, the first time in several years.
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    It was really nice to be out there.
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    They also recognized several, well an individual and an organization, Sherry Rollins Weston of Sesame Street and the way it is now all around the country and Supervisor Malek.
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    was there as well, as well as Charlottesville's own International Rescue Committee being recognized for the great work that they do.
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    So a real shout out to them.
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    As Supervisor McKeel mentioned, I was also present at the unveiling of the historic marker at the Jackson Price Burley.
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    No relation, but they mentioned several times that he stood for Price.
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    And it was a great event.
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    And it showed the resilience of a part of our community that had
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    long and largely been discriminated against.
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    From 1951 to 1967, Burleigh was, as Supervisor McKeel mentioned, the black high school.
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    It was a consolidation of three different schools that had been open before then.
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    One of the most impressing upon me comments, however, was from some of the students who talked about when they would travel to other areas of the state for sporting events.
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    that they would come back to the locker room after the game to find their clothes had been stolen and when they would get on the bus to leave bricks and rocks would be thrown at the bus.
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    Hate, racism, discrimination has no place in America.
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    And it really warmed my heart to see how these individuals had chosen love and not hate despite what they had experienced in their life.
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    And let us not forget the 1956, undefeated, unscored upon burly bears, truly an incredible achievement by any school at any time and particularly at that time in America.
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    I'd also like to mention that this is Earth Week, Earth Day, and in Scottsville in conjunction with SCAN, the Scottsville Center for the Arts and Natural Environment.
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    There are more than 20 events scheduled on Saturday alone, so let me encourage you to get out, go to Scottsville.
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    It's a beautiful place in the neighborhood, and they have a lot going on for everyone.
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    And then finally, I was able to attend the
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    The last week of Albemarle County's Fire and Rescue Recruit Training Class 20 last Friday where they did a lot of different exercises with the burn tower and everything.
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    And I tell you, we must always express our appreciation to our law enforcement officers, our fire and rescue, our EMTs.
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    those individuals who put their life on the line every day for us.
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    And it was an honor to be there and share and watching them go through their training.
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    And that's all that I have.

6. Proclamations and Recognitions:

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    We will now move on to item number six, Proclamations and Recognitions.
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    And I understand we do not have any today.

7. From the Public: Matters Not Listed for Public Hearing on the Agenda or on Matters Previously Considered by the Board or Matters that are Pending Before the Board.

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    So we'll move on to item number seven from the public.
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    Matters not listed for public hearing on the agenda or on matters previously considered by the board are matters that are pending before the board.
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    And we do have sign-ups, so the first thing that I would do is check to see with our clerk, do we have our online individual ready?
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    All right, well why don't we go ahead, since we have one online, let's do that one first this week, and so if you will identify our first speaker please.
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    Oh yeah, thank you.
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    I'll now turn to Vice Chair LaPisto-Kirtley for the rules.
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    Thank you.
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    During the time set aside for matters not listed for public hearing on the agenda, individuals may address the Board of Supervisors concerning matters previously considered by the Board or matters that are pending before the Board, other than items listed on the agenda for public hearing.
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    Individuals are allowed three minutes to speak.
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    A sign-up sheet is managed by the Clerk's Office.
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    Up to ten persons may speak during each Matters from the Public session, which will be evenly divided between in-person and online speakers.
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    Community members physically present for the meeting will speak first, and then those who are attending the meeting electronically will speak.
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    For those attending in person, the Chair will announce each speaker, and for those participating electronically, the Clerk will announce each speaker before it is their turn to speak.
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    For in-person speakers, timekeeping is conducted through a timer and a light system at the podium.
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    The green light will go on when you begin speaking, and this begins your allotted time.
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    A yellow light indicates you have one minute to finish your comment.
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    A red light indicates your time has expired.
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    For community members who are attending the meeting electronically, timekeeping is conducted through a timer.
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    The timer will commence when you begin speaking and this begins your allotted time.
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    You will be notified
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    In order to give all speakers equal treatment and courtesy the board requests that speakers adhere to the following guidelines
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    When called to address the board, please state your name and if you live in Albemarle County, your Magisterial District, address comments directly to the board as a whole.
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    Give written statements and other supporting material to the clerk.
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    If making comments through Zoom, you may upload written comments through the e-comment portal or email your comments to the clerk.
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    If you represent a group or organization, you may ask others present to raise their hands and be recognized.
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    If you exceed your allotted time, you will be asked to end your comments.
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    If a speaker does not use all allocated time, the unused time may not be shared with another speaker.
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    Speakers are permitted one opportunity to comment during either public comment periods
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    per meeting.
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    Back and forth debate is not permitted.
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    Do not speak from your seat or out of turn.
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    Persons in the audience are encouraged to raise their hands to indicate their support or opposition to speakers at the podium or any item during the meeting.
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    Please refrain from applause or other forms of approval or disapproval as a courtesy to each speaker.
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    Signs are permitted in the meeting room so long as they are not attached to any stick
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    or Poll and do not obstruct the view of persons attending the meeting.
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    All comments are live streamed, recorded and published on the Albemarle County website.
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    Thank you and I stand corrected on the order.
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    We will call our in-person speaker first, Doug Bates.
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    Good afternoon, Mr. Bates.
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    If you'll come up to the podium.
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    No, no, please come ahead.
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    Thank you.
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    If you would come up and if you'd speak from the microphone so we make sure it's recorded.
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    Okay.
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    And now go ahead, please.
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    Good afternoon.
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    My name is Doug Bates.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Oh, and if you wanted to introduce... Yes, I do.
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    This is Meg Holm.
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    She is the president of our 501c3 organization, the Downtown Crozet Initiative, and she wasn't sure whether you'd be able
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    to attend today, but she managed to come and we wanted to introduce her to you as well.
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    I won't take three minutes, I promise, because frankly you've seen me before.
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    And you'll probably see me again, but for the last five years, we have engaged in an aspirational dream out in Crozet, hoping for a plaza.
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    A couple of years back, that dream began to get some real teeth to it when you, as a board, acted to develop an agreement between the Newtown Associates, DCI, and yourselves, the county itself.
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    We stand at another
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    such stage with the addendum before you.
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    An addendum that we believe is incredibly important, a necessary condition to get the economic development that we're seeking out in Crozet around this plaza which we believe can serve as a real asset to Albemarle County.
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    It's going to be your western outpost, a moment of real inspiration to watch the mountains and see children play.
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    But right now, it's a rather ugly building.
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    We're going to get through that.
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    We're going to get through it with the help of the many people on your staff that has already worked so hard to develop potential for tremendous outcome.
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    We simply believe that this kind of commitment
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    will be the kind of thing that the county can use other places in the county as a model for a public-private partnership that will really enhance the entire county and continue to grow things, create things, rather than break things down.
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    That's the end of my remarks.
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    We sincerely hope you take up the addendum.
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    I just did want to make one more comment.
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    Listening to all of you speak about the matters that concern you really resonated with me.
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    And I just wanted to say as a resident of Albemarle County, thank you.
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    Thank you for your service.
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    Thank you.
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    Oh, I have a minute left.
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    I will excuse myself.
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    Thank you very much.
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    Thank you.
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    Lee Dawson.
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    Good afternoon.
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    Never been to one of these and I may be out of line, not at the right thing.
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    So I just have some questions on my real estate taxes.
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    I get personal property taxes, cars run up down the road like it pays for the roads.
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    I'm just kind of who I need to speak to, what I need to figure out about, what my real estate taxes go towards.
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    I was told it goes to various programs.
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    I'm curious as to what the programs are, how they benefit me.
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    I'm also trying to better myself and buy more property in Albemarle County and it just raises my personal property taxes to where I almost can't do that.
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    I don't know, I've never been to one of these things.
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    It's all kind of new to me and I'm just trying to ask questions just to figure out where I need to go from.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you, Mr. Dawson.
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    We have your contact information and I'll make sure the appropriate people and county staff reach out to you.
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    Thank you very much.
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    Thank you.
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    All right, that concludes our in-person sign up.
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    So now I'll turn to the clerk for our online speaker.
• • SPEAKER_13
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    Our online speaker is Joe Fore.
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    Good afternoon.
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    Thank you very much, Chair Price.
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    My name is Joe Fore.
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    I live in the White Hall district, and I'm the chair of the Crozet Community Advisory Committee.
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    My comments today, though, reflect my own views and not necessarily those of the committee.
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    Now, it's my understanding that all of the members of the village of Rivanna CAC have resigned, evidently in response to having the recent meeting unilaterally canceled by the board and county staff.
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    My knowledge of the situation is limited to a blog post from the members, which quoted a lengthy email from Chair Price about the event.
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    So I fully recognize that some of the concerns that led to these resignations may be longstanding and some of them may be unique to the Rivanna CAC.
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    But to the extent that this portends the board's treatment of all CACs, it's troubling.
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    The notion that CACs would be prevented from meeting or from setting their own agendas, even in months when there are no pressing issues from county staff, is a dramatic departure from the way that these committees have operated for many years.
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    And what's more, it's part of a recent trend that seems to be eroding the CAC's ability to effectively represent residents and advise the board.
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    Since the COVID pandemic began, county staff have steadily exerted more and more control over setting CAC agendas.
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    and then last month, the county introduced a fixed calendar for CACs for the rest of the year, a calendar that was developed without input from the CACs themselves.
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    That move further constrained the CACs ability to set their own agendas.
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    So taken together,
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    These changes feel as if the CACs are being viewed less and less as collaborative partners who work with staff and the board to identify priorities and develop solutions, and more like mere focus groups who simply choose from a menu of pre-selected options.
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    Now, the CACs certainly understand and respect the demands of staff's time.
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    We are very grateful for their work.
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    Moreover, we're mindful of our charge, and we are happy to defer to staff's needs to hold community meetings and to align those meetings with comprehensive plan revisions.
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    But in the months when there are no pressing topics, I hope that the board will not prevent other CACs from meeting or from discussing issues that are important to their particular areas of county.
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    Lastly, looking ahead in her email, Chair Price suggested that there are inconsistent understandings of
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    Thank you.
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    And do we have any other signups?
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    I didn't see any.
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    Yes, Madam Chair, we have one more signup.
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    All right, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_13
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    Our next speaker is Kirk Bowers Good afternoon.
• • SPEAKER_07
  • 00:24:00
    Good afternoon.
  • 00:24:02
    I'm speaking today.
  • 00:24:05
    My name is Kirk Bowers.
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    I live in the Rivanna District.
  • 00:24:07
    I speak today as Conservation Chair of the Piedmont Group of the Sierra Club.
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    We have over 2,000 members in our group.
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    A quick announcement.
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    Earth Day is Friday.
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    We'll be tabling and environmental groups will be gathering at the X Park in the evening.
  • 00:24:23
    I hope some of the supervisors will come out for the Earth Day celebration.
  • 00:24:28
    I'm here to talk about consideration of artificial turf and lighting for soccer fields.
  • 00:24:36
    I want to express our opposition to use of artificial turf and installation of lighting for soccer fields at Darden Town and Biscuit Run Parks.
  • 00:24:46
    You know I was a former soccer coach, travel league, and high school soccer parent for about 12 years and I'm a longtime resident of Albemarle County and I strongly support continued development of soccer fields.
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    There's certainly a need for more soccer fields in Albemarle County.
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    But let's upgrade soccer fields in a friendly way.
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    There are several problems with turf that need consideration that I would like you to think about
  • 00:25:16
    Artificial turf is a plastic rug which looks perfect when it's new, but it drips out and requires frequent maintenance.
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    Artificial turf is hard and it hurts when you fall while playing.
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    Turf burns are found to be responsible for the spread of skin infections.
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    Synthetic turf contains unsafe levels of lead, mercury, cadmium, and other known carcinogens.
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    And last, I will say that artificial turf can get very hot.
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    On clear, warm days, fields can get superheated in temperatures from 120 to 180 degrees.
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    That melts shoes and burns feet.
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    So these are a few of the reasons to use natural grass instead of turf to upgrade and improve soccer fields.
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    And also, again, I'd like to thank you all for your service.
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    You all are doing an excellent job.
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    I really appreciate some of the comments I've heard today.
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    Thank you for your time.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:26:19
    Thank you.
  • 00:26:20
    And does that conclude our speakers, Clerk?
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 00:26:23
    That does.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:26:23
    All right.
  • 00:26:24
    Thank you, Board.
  • 00:26:24
    Thank you, Board.

8. Consent Agenda (on next sheet)

• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:26:26
    We will now move to item number eight, the consent agenda.
  • 00:26:30
    Supervisor Mallek?
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 00:26:33
    Yes, I need to pull the minutes for August 19th, please.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:26:37
    All right.
  • 00:26:39
    Are there any other items that any supervisor desires to pull from the consent agenda?
  • 00:26:45
    Seeing none, do we have a motion to approve the consent agenda as amended?
  • 00:26:51
    So moved.
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    Second.
  • 00:26:53
    Alright, we have a motion from Supervisor McKeel and a second from Supervisor Andrews.
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    Any discussion?
  • 00:27:01
    Seeing none, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 00:27:03
    Ms.
  • 00:27:03
    Mallek?
  • 00:27:04
    Yes.
  • 00:27:04
    Ms.
  • 00:27:05
    McKeel?
  • 00:27:05
    Yes.
  • 00:27:06
    Ms.
  • 00:27:06
    Price?
  • 00:27:07
    Aye.
  • 00:27:07
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 00:27:09
    Yes.
  • 00:27:09
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 00:27:10
    Yes.
  • 00:27:11
    Ms.
  • 00:27:11
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:27:12
    Aye.
  • 00:27:12
    All right.
  • 00:27:13
    Thank you.
  • 00:27:14
    Thank you, Board.

9. Barnes Lumber Addendum to Crozet New Town Associates, LLC, Development Agreement.

Development AgreementProposed Addendum to the Development AgreementResolution
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:27:15
    At this time, we will move to item number nine, an action item, Barnes-Lumber Addendum to the Crozet Newtown Associates LLC Development Agreement.
  • 00:27:26
    Mr. Walker, I understand that you may be teeing this off today.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:28:01
    I'm looking for the presentation on the desktop
• • SPEAKER_17
  • 00:28:36
    It has popped up?
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:29:09
    Madam Chair, Chair Price, members of the board, Doug Walker, Deputy County Executive.
  • 00:29:14
    I practiced that all the way up here and I got distracted and I just got it wrong.
  • 00:29:18
    Thank you, Chair Price.
  • 00:29:19
    Members of the board, Doug Walker, Deputy County Executive.
  • 00:29:23
    Roger Johnson, who would be making this presentation, was unable to be here in person.
  • 00:29:27
    He is here in our virtual landscape and is available to answer questions.
  • 00:29:31
    We're going to walk through the program presentation on the Barnes-Lumber Project.
  • 00:29:38
    This is a project that all of you are familiar with, but not all of you have been involved in all the steps over the last many years as this project has developed and approved by the board and moved forward.
  • 00:29:51
    And we are, as you heard in some of the comments from speakers just a minute ago, at an inflection point, I want to make sure that the board and the community are all on the same page as we make recommendations on how best to move forward.
  • 00:30:12
    Mmhmm
  • 00:30:17
    So the agenda today is give a brief background.
  • 00:30:20
    This has an extensive background.
  • 00:30:21
    We're not going to go through all of it.
  • 00:30:23
    Talk a little bit about the project itself, and it's in context with respect to the public-private partnership that has governed our work over the last several years.
  • 00:30:35
    The roads in particular, which are of most significance with respect to what we're asking the board to consider,
  • 00:30:43
    and its investment as a part of this outreach today.
  • 00:30:47
    And then the funding implications, what the funding is and where the funding would come from in order to support this project.
  • 00:31:00
    As has been indicated, this project goes back at least to 2014.
  • 00:31:04
    Many would argue it goes back much longer than that.
  • 00:31:08
    But you can see with this characterization representation of the extraordinary public engagement that has occurred just over that time frame and I'll call out
  • 00:31:19
    just a couple of numbers that are meaningful, 13 Crozet community advisory committee meetings between 2014 and 2018 and 31 DCI meetings between 2015 and 2020 and I really appreciate Doug Bates and Meg Holden being here to represent the strong interest of those community leaders who have been with this project for so long.
  • 00:31:49
    The results of the community engagement, and this is not complicated, is that they would like to have a new and expanded downtown Crozet.
  • 00:31:57
    That expansion in this particular project is revealed in a new public plaza and expansion enhancements to the existing road network and all about creating a more aesthetically pleasing downtown area in one of our core development districts.
  • 00:32:19
    It was presented previously to the board that this new downtown Crozet won't occur, doesn't happen, but for the county's participation by means of the public-private partnership.
  • 00:32:30
    We engaged back in 2018 or before with the property owner slash developer in crafting a public-private partnership, a P3, that met the interests of both parties, of the developer and of the county at the time that culminated in the board's
  • 00:32:49
    Action to authorize the P3 back in 2019.
  • 00:32:58
    The project, as it was contemplated and as it has been supported over the years, is consistent with the county's comprehensive plan and is consistent with the Crozet master plan, I would suggest, and Ann knows better than anybody, several versions of that master plan, including the most recent version.
  • 00:33:18
    It provides public contributions to provide for public benefit, including the developer's contribution of, in this case, his money in order to match VDOT revenue sharing money.
  • 00:33:34
    That is an exception that we think is meaningful.
  • 00:33:38
    It will invest in public road infrastructure, public place making with respect to the plaza, and will help to grow commercial tax base for all of Albemarle County that happens to be located in Crozet.
  • 00:33:55
    Little orientation, Crozet as most of you know, if not all of you know, is pretty far removed from what would be considered the core of the development area.
  • 00:34:06
    of Albemarle County.
  • 00:34:08
    The 35 square miles that does reflect the development area has its little western annex, as it were.
  • 00:34:18
    Although I think people would say that the small town Crozet is not small town anymore, it is developing assertively and intentionally in a way to best reflect what the values are of the comp plan and the master plan.
  • 00:34:31
    And this investment is no exception to that intentionality.
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    aerial view shows the crossroads that most people know is where Crozet Pizza is, but it also includes that strip with the Mud House and Far Downers and Parkway Pharmacy, the library investment that the county made several years ago.
  • 00:34:57
    and you will see in a minute how those investments, while meaningful, have not fully taken advantage of the need for better transportation circulation.
  • 00:35:09
    You also see against to the right of this illustration that would be to the east, the property that is what's known as Barnes Lumber that is ripe for redevelopment.
  • 00:35:24
    The street view on the left of the vision shows the current condition of the Barnes-Lumber property.
  • 00:35:32
    In the background, you'll see the buildings that are currently leased by Perrone Robotics.
  • 00:35:37
    In the foreground, you'll see evidence of the concrete pads that are leftover from the previous industrial use.
  • 00:35:47
    On the right-hand side, again, more of a drone view.
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    I guess they used to call that bird's eye view.
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    of that same area, again showing the dilapidated nature of that old industrial area just that it has not been reinvested in for a long period of time.
  • 00:36:07
    The intention with this new development is to reflect the architectural vernacular that is unique to downtown Crozet.
  • 00:36:17
    You'll see some examples of existing buildings including the
  • 00:36:21
    The Rail Depot, Crozet Pizza, Mudhouse, Far Downers.
  • 00:36:29
    Also informed by examples of street views, small town from other places where those examples make sense.
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    And I think what you see is fairly pedestrian scale.
  • 00:36:46
    Fewer stories, diversity of storefronts and facades, not in a Disney way, but in an authentic way to kind of reflect a charm that is already part of, again, with the character of the downtown Crozet area.
  • 00:37:04
    Similarly with a plaza, there are a number of examples that we could pull from to kind of show the scope and scale of what a plaza could mean for an area like the one that's being proposed for redevelopment.
  • 00:37:19
    And our best local example that most people are familiar with is the downtown mall, which in fact is a plaza.
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    It is owned by and managed by City Parks and Recreation, which you can see the
  • 00:37:30
    the essential connectivity that it provides to that business corridor and the life that it brings into that area.
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    The thought is that such a development could do the same in downtown Crozet.
  • 00:37:47
    So talking a bit about the plaza itself, this is just an illustration, this is not the design, but as characterization of how the design intends to be scalable or flexible.
  • 00:37:57
    in order to accommodate a variety of different types of events.
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    A small crowd, movie night on the left.
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    a larger crowd with a concert oriented around the stage in the middle for other people or so.
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    And then the largest type of event is a market or a festival that could involve street closures.
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    And so the street network around the plaza then becomes part of the public space that could then accommodate a larger crowd.
  • 00:38:32
    And this is going to be my transition slide to Lance Stewart, Director of Facilities and Environmental Services, who will talk about the road network.
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    But just to acknowledge that we're talking primarily about phase one, which is in the yellow.
  • 00:38:48
    The road network as a part of phase one does extend into the green area, which is phase two.
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    But phase one is what has been rezoned.
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    It is what is the focus of primarily of the public-private partnership and what we can expect to most directly transform in this project as it moves forward.
  • 00:39:12
    Of note is this is much more heavily non-residential than otherwise we would expect and this is one of the reasons why that we felt staff and the board felt it was important to make that investment in order to facilitate more non-residential tax paying investment.
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    rather than residential tax paying investment on the front end.
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    Typically it happens the other way around.
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    So you'll see these are estimates, 58,000 square feet of retail, 40,000 square feet of hotel use, almost 29,000 square feet of office use, and of course the 52 housing units.
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    Those would ostensibly be second floor residential units.
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    I'll talk about the massing diagram.
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    This is not what it's going to look like, but it is a tool that's used to reflect scope and scale of development as a part of a planning process.
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    to show massing and how the different uses can fit on a site of this size.
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    And I would say here you get your first look at the integrated street network and its orientation to the plaza, which is on that top left with the kind of the green dot there.
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    And then finally, I think this is my last slide, is acknowledging that the P3 for Phase 1, focusing on the road infrastructure and the
  • 00:40:49
    and the Plaza is interrelated with a project at the square.
  • 00:40:55
    And the square is that piece of road that runs from Crozet Avenue in front of Mudhouse, Fard owners, Parkway Pharmacy, and then ties then into what would be then phase one of this project.
  • 00:41:11
    That also is a transportation revenue sharing project.
  • 00:41:15
    That is being managed entirely by the county, the county's investment.
  • 00:41:20
    It is slightly ahead of this particular project, but the whole intention is to make sure that they align because of the interrelatedness.
  • 00:41:29
    also just acknowledging the library and Library Avenue and you'll see in the road illustrations here coming up next how the square and its success and Library and Library Avenue which was actually improved as part of that project and its success now they lead to the opportunity to kind of finish this first phase of a road network in downtown Crozet.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:42:01
    Thank you Mr. Walker
• • SPEAKER_30
  • 00:42:05
    Thank you Mr. Walker, Lance Stewart, Facilities Environmental Services Director, Facilities Environmental Services involved because if this project does move forward, our department will be managing the construction of the project and we have worked very closely with the developer and the developer's engineer to get to this point in terms of where we are with the drawings and the planning and cost estimation.
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    So on your screens is an early conceptual drawing of the road network.
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    And so you can see in the top left corner of the square is connected design there directly in front, which would include wrapping around to the south.
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    for High Street to the left of the buildings in dark brown.
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    Just to the right of that you see an early conceptual vision of the plaza.
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    And I'm really showing this as much to just show the full extent of the road, which would go all the way to connect to Hilltop Street to the east.
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    and really help connect the neighborhoods to the east, to the new downtown area.
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    Eventually the developer would build those out, roads and further buildings and sell some parcels.
  • 00:43:31
    It's hard to look up and click at the same time.
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    And this drawing shows an overhead view of the downtown area, the bird's eye view, which is overlaid with the more recent version of the roadway concept.
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    So you can see how that has shifted.
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    There's a black meandering line at the bottom.
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    That's the multi-use path that would connect to future development of multi-use path, but provide another safe pedestrian and bicyclist way to access the downtown area.
  • 00:44:07
    The reason this is one slide instead of two, I think it's really interesting to note just how much needs to be graded and cleared and demolished in the path of this roadway.
  • 00:44:24
    involved project.
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    It will include the construction of roads as well as some temporary parking areas that will be in place as the plaza is constructed and businesses and buildings begin to go up.
  • 00:44:39
    So the original estimate for this project was developed a number of years ago.
  • 00:44:44
    We all are aware of the inflation that's occurred since naturally, but especially in the last few years been accelerated pretty dramatically for the country for
  • 00:44:55
    pretty much all goods and services, but for the construction industry in particular.
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    So we worked with the developer and the developer engineer as well as a third party cost estimating agency that focuses in construction cost administration to really understand where we are with this project.
  • 00:45:13
    And you can see at the top, this is just a really high level chart in black.
  • 00:45:18
    of the cost of the procurement of the right of way for the construction of road and easements necessary for that construction or for utilities for the long term.
  • 00:45:29
    The cost of the project and the resources that need to be brought to bear to complete that is at 6.4.
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    And unanticipated, we realized that it made sense for the developers' utilities, namely the water and sewer utilities, to be put in before we finished installing the roads instead of
  • 00:45:51
    and building the roads and then ripping up the roads and installing the utilities and repairing the roads.
  • 00:45:57
    So we've agreed in principle to do that work for the developer and as you see below in the revenue table directly offsetting
  • 00:46:07
    contribution by the developer.
  • 00:46:09
    Anything that we spend on that portion of the work would be reimbursed 100%.
  • 00:46:16
    And going back to the development agreement, we know of course that we have a VDOT revenue sharing match of 2.3 million approximately and a contribution towards that by the developer of 2 million, which leaves a current funding gap of almost 2.5 million dollars.
  • 00:46:37
    So working with the developer, he has come to the table to help us bridge this gap in ways that he can feasibly do.
  • 00:46:48
    He's agreed to cap the cost of the right of way that we would purchase from his development's property, which is evaluated at approximately $500,000 at $200,000.
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    So that's effectively a sort of contribution or a savings
  • 00:47:06
    of 300,000, potentially more in this market, but that certainly helps the project significantly.
  • 00:47:14
    As relates to the plaza, which is separate from the road construction, he has offered to construct public restrooms immediately adjacent to that at his cost.
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    and I'll show you about where those would be located in just a moment.
  • 00:47:32
    But that I think is going to be a really necessary amenity and important to the plaza itself and its successful operation.
  • 00:47:41
    And finally, you've heard from the Downtown Crozet Initiative this evening.
  • 00:47:46
    They are anticipated in the agreement to potentially
  • 00:47:51
    and many other ways to the economic vitality of downtown.
  • 00:47:57
    They don't have staff, so the developers offered $50,000 of seed funding to help onboard an executive director.
  • 00:48:08
    And as noted before, you see the box in red is the approximate location of the restrooms.
  • 00:48:18
    The developer anticipates the construction of a hotel
  • 00:48:23
    the upper left side which is actually the west southwest corner of that block and mix of commercial spaces three-story building on the right so there would be ground level public restrooms that would be available to support the operations of the plaza and that's a significant cost in and of itself certainly.
  • 00:48:49
    So working with
  • 00:48:52
    County Attorney's Office and Economic Development Office and many others.
  • 00:48:56
    We've crafted a draft agreement that's included in your packages.
  • 00:49:01
    Just at a real high level, just restate that in addition to the developer's $2 million contribution towards the roads, that he's agreed to fix the cost of right-of-way, again, the significant savings.
  • 00:49:18
    and in red you can see that the county staff are recommending that the county cover the additional known gap or anticipated gap of 2.5 million dollars and put that towards the project.
  • 00:49:33
    But the developer has also agreed that if there are cost overruns above that funding level that his organization would be responsible for covering those costs.
  • 00:49:44
    And again, for the plaza, you can see what has changed there is the commitment to build public restrooms and the seed money for the DCI director.
  • 00:49:57
    And with that, I will turn it over to Mr. Walker.
  • 00:49:59
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:50:01
    Thank you, Mr. Stewart.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:50:02
    A couple more slides.
  • 00:50:08
    So the funding sources that staff have identified to help support this project if the board is interested in continuing in this regard is a million dollars in ARPA reserve.
  • 00:50:22
    That's a reserve account that is being created to place some ARPA money that can then be used with greater flexibility in the context of the county's budgeting.
  • 00:50:38
    This is certainly economic development is an allowable expense under ARPA and working with the finance staff was determined to be an appropriate potential use.
  • 00:50:51
    Obviously, this is at the board's discretion, but we do think that this is a good use of some portion of this $10 million ARPA reserve.
  • 00:51:00
    The other is a made-and-a-half for the economic development investment pool.
  • 00:51:03
    This would assume that the county will follow the staff recommendation to restore funding into the economic development fund.
  • 00:51:13
    Again, we do see this as not just a land use program.
  • 00:51:19
    but an infrastructure investment that's going to help advance our economic development interests.
  • 00:51:24
    As I mentioned, this is less of a residential development and more of a non-residential investment, and we do think then it's appropriate, as has been characterized by this project the whole time, as being appropriate within the context of the economic development's work.
  • 00:51:41
    This is an old industrial site being repurposed
  • 00:51:45
    There is putting it back into productive and constructive public and private use.
  • 00:51:51
    We think that the economic development investment in this case is appropriate.
  • 00:51:55
    The last point there is that we have reason to believe that all the costs for transportation projects are going up all over.
  • 00:52:07
    This is a transportation revenue sharing project supported by VDOT.
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    So we will be pursuing any opportunity that we can to have VDOT put up a proportionate share of the increased costs themselves since this is ostensibly a 50-50 program.
  • 00:52:24
    and so we don't know the outcome, I can't promise that, but I can promise is that we will pursue it as hard as we can to see if we can then minimize the use of county money if in fact that there is state money, state VDOT money available.
  • 00:52:41
    The muticap report is a independent third party analysis that is intended to give information about what the return on investment is.
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    This was done several years ago with the original proposed partnership.
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    This is a revised handicap report.
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    You see the results here in very general terms.
  • 00:53:05
    I believe that there's a 70-page report that Mr. Johnson would be glad to provide to you, or anybody else for that matter, if they would like to take a look at it.
  • 00:53:13
    But we did try to distill it into what we understand the punchline
  • 00:53:17
    here is that with the additional investment, which would then mean a total investment of $5.7 million, that that would be recovered in future tax revenue within eight to nine years.
  • 00:53:30
    That's been broken down into the two aspects of the existing public-private partnership.
  • 00:53:36
    There's the construction loan, which is then being repaid through the synthetic TIF arrangement, rebates, tax rebates.
  • 00:53:44
    at 1.6, and then the actual cash, which is already encumbered within the existing economic development fund.
  • 00:53:53
    Then you add to that the $2.5 million road escalation cost.
  • 00:53:58
    The project is estimated to generate $21.1 million in net new tax revenue.
  • 00:54:04
    That is revenue over and above that $5.7 million investment over a 15-year period, so within 15 years.
  • 00:54:16
    That concludes our prepared presentation and remarks.
  • 00:54:21
    There is a resolution in your board packet at Attachment C that is asking you to authorize the county executive to execute the addendum and to the development agreement after concurrence by the county attorney.
  • 00:54:37
    Again, Lance, myself, Roger Johnson, virtually, others that are available here to answer questions that the board might have.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:54:46
    Thank you, Mr. Walker.
  • 00:54:48
    We'll go through our order.
  • 00:54:50
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:54:52
    Yes, could you please go back to slide 26?
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:55:02
    Is that 26?
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:55:04
    That's 27.
  • 00:55:05
    There you go.
  • 00:55:07
    So 1 million from the ARPA fund, 1.5 from the EDA.
  • 00:55:10
    So that I got, but on 27, then you go into 1.6, 1.6 plus 2.5.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:55:25
    Yes, the addendum is the additional amount that's necessary to complete the project to the best of our knowledge at this point.
  • 00:55:33
    It's the two and a half million dollars needed to address the increased costs associated with the road.
  • 00:55:40
    The 1.6 and 1.6 is the original public-private partnership that the board adopted back in 2019.
  • 00:55:48
    So we're trying to show these as different from that standpoint.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:55:52
    So we've already given X number of dollars, millions of dollars, and to make it whole is the 1.6.
  • 00:56:00
    One million from ARPA and 1.5 from the EDA and those monies and there could possibly be some additional monies from VDOT coming in.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:56:10
    Yes, and just to be specific, we have encumbered the Economic Development Fund of 1.6.
  • 00:56:17
    I'm sorry, what?
  • 00:56:17
    We've encumbered it, we've held it, put it in Brazil, we've held it.
  • 00:56:20
    We haven't given out any money yet.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:56:21
    Okay.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:56:22
    Right, and we won't wait until the project is actually complete and ready to go.
  • 00:56:25
    Okay.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:56:26
    So really, our contribution could be just one million?
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:56:29
    Well, we've pledged that amount pursuant to the agreement, and then we've pledged to rebate another 1.6 in order to pay his construction loan, again, based on the terms in the performance agreement.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:56:41
    Right, but we could get that- And then the 2.5 is in addition.
  • 00:56:43
    We could get that 1.6 back from VDOT possibly.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:56:47
    It's some portion of the $2.5 million, the additional cost, that will be seeking reimbursement from VDOT since it's a revenue sharing program.
  • 00:56:57
    I cannot guarantee it.
  • 00:56:58
    All I can say is we're going to do our best.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:57:00
    Correct, but our max would be $2.5 million to make this whole.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 00:57:04
    And the developer has agreed that he will absorb any additional cost over that $2.5 million.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 00:57:10
    That's good.
  • 00:57:10
    Okay, very good.
  • 00:57:11
    Thank you very much.
  • 00:57:12
    I appreciate that.
  • 00:57:13
    No further questions?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 00:57:14
    Thank you.
  • 00:57:15
    Supervisor Galloway.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 00:57:21
    Let me see.
  • 00:57:22
    I'll start with maybe restrooms first.
  • 00:57:24
    I made this comment somewhere along the line, but if we're going to be putting public restrooms in, I just hope they are adequate for the size.
  • 00:57:33
    I can't imagine you would plan for the large events, but for the small events are what I think about that, you know,
  • 00:57:42
    That could be a snafu, so we want to make sure that we're planning properly, obviously, for the size of folks that are going to be out there for the smaller, the more regular events, I guess.
  • 00:57:52
    The bigger events, the festival events, the concerts, those probably have extra facilities brought in.
  • 00:57:59
    It can't be two stalls, you know what I mean?
  • 00:58:02
    Is there a game plan for that since they will be public restrooms?
• • SPEAKER_30
  • 00:58:06
    Thank you, Supervisor Galloway.
  • 00:58:08
    We have built into the addendum the ability to basically have input on and approve the design, so those are conversations that we'll be having about the appropriate size for the normal functions of the plaza.
  • 00:58:22
    It is expected that for larger, either concerts or full festivals, that portal johns would be brought in for that and taken off site after the event as a matter of course.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 00:58:39
    The executive director, I'm generally overall very supportive of this project.
  • 00:58:44
    Obviously the return on the investment will be there over time and that's good for the entire county.
  • 00:58:51
    I appreciate Mr. Bates' comments about how it could serve as a model.
  • 00:58:55
    I think putting a public space in here in this partnership does, can serve as an example for something to happen like in the Rio 29 small area plan.
  • 00:59:03
    So very supportive of it.
  • 00:59:07
    but there are some things that I hope will get worked out in execution.
  • 00:59:13
    The 50,000 that the developer's contributing to an executive director and then the management of the space.
  • 00:59:22
    So how will the relationship between the county and that entity and then the responsibilities of each for the management of the space and that position be formalized?
• • SPEAKER_30
  • 00:59:36
    At this point we have a term sheet that's been offered by the DCI after a number of focused meetings on that.
  • 00:59:43
    Actually I think it's in pretty comfortable shape right now in terms of
  • 00:59:49
    In principle, what an agreement might look like.
  • 00:59:52
    I would expect a couple of work sessions with the board in the future to make sure that we're comfortable with the role that they would hold and the management responsibilities they have.
  • 01:00:04
    And as they might be doing programming for us, then setting some boundaries around the type of programming that might occur or the times of day or frequency that it might occur.
  • 01:00:16
    I think there's quite a bit to work with and I think it would be a board-involved process, but ultimately there would be a management agreement that would be put forward for that, that the board would be able to have input on and approve.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:00:31
    Because it would be my hope that that management and then if a staff position is needed for
  • 01:00:37
    that that is a good role where the nonprofit could raise and fund that, that I don't know how, I mean I would see the county would be needing to have maintenance responsibilities of the space, ongoing maintenance, that sort of thing, and I will learn that I guess is what you're saying, but my thought or my hope would be that
  • 01:00:59
    that this wouldn't create a new FTE for the county that this would be something that would be funded through the local nonprofits initiative to be able to make that happen and the management happen and then the county maybe sees the maintenance of it for what that's worth.
  • 01:01:13
    I don't know that I want this response right now.
  • 01:01:17
    I think it would probably take up too much time and I have full confidence in the economic development team that they know the answer to this.
  • 01:01:24
    But I am curious when I see the 58,000 square feet in phase one to retail and 28,000 to office.
  • 01:01:32
    So that's a third given to office and two thirds given to retail.
  • 01:01:36
    There's not a similar breakdown yet for the future phases, the 150,000.
  • 01:01:41
    But clearly goal four of project enables being met here.
  • 01:01:46
    The investment for a public good is the plaza.
  • 01:01:48
    So that's clear in the road system, et cetera.
  • 01:01:51
    But goals one through three of our economic development plan, how is the breakout of providing this office space for actual employers to be in?
  • 01:02:02
    Not that if anything gets retail, this is a prime place to put some retail in.
  • 01:02:09
    High bar expectation would be to allow this to bring in businesses that can set up shop, provide places where people can live nearby, walk to work, that sort of thing.
  • 01:02:19
    So I'd be curious to know based on the current breakdown of, and I know these aren't hard numbers, those square footages could change and the percentages or the proportions could change, but I think it would be useful to maybe as a follow-up in writing of saying, well, here's how we think that this breakout or what we perceive for the office
  • 01:02:38
    places for spaces for employers to set up, employ people, and do what our project enable asks of us and say, well, here's through goal one, two, and three how this would achieve that.
  • 01:02:50
    And they probably have that already, so I can't imagine that's a, I fully expect that's a softball that I'm pitching out there, but it's one that I'd like some response to and don't necessarily need it right now.
• • SPEAKER_30
  • 01:03:03
    Certainly.
  • 01:03:03
    I'll just pause to ask Roger Johnson, who's virtually attending, if he had anything he wanted to say in response to that.
• • SPEAKER_25
  • 01:03:10
    I am a thrice vaccinated, ardent mask-wearing, and now COVID-infected member of our society and director of economic development.
  • 01:03:24
    I will certainly prepare a statement and send it over to
  • 01:03:29
    Supervisor Galloway and the remainder of the board.
  • 01:03:31
    I don't have that information directly in front of me, but we'll certainly respond accordingly.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:03:36
    Great.
  • 01:03:37
    Thank you very much.
  • 01:03:38
    That's all the questions I have.
  • 01:03:39
    Thank you.
  • 01:03:40
    Supervisor Andrews.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:03:42
    Yes, thank you.
  • 01:03:43
    This is a wonderful example of public-private partnership that brings a public good.
  • 01:03:48
    I understand these to be a public plaza, public roads, public restrooms that we've been talking about.
  • 01:03:53
    I share some of Supervisor Galloway's concerns about knowing that the capacity will be there for when it's needed or for regular use, and that includes the transportation and parking issues that I could see arising out of
  • 01:04:09
    Big events happening in a space like this and that's really my only remaining question that he didn't already ask so thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:04:17
    Thank you.
  • 01:04:18
    Supervisor McKeel.
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 01:04:22
    Thank you for the great presentation both you and Doug, wherever Doug has gone to.
  • 01:04:29
    I also want to just say that that was really cool.
  • 01:04:32
    The technology that our staff has figured out and made happen for us, where we can have this meeting, we can see
  • 01:04:41
    the project on the screen and then have Roger zoom in and answer a question.
  • 01:04:46
    I am just very appreciative to all of our technology gurus.
  • 01:04:49
    I have no idea how that can happen, but it is wonderful.
  • 01:04:53
    And it really does move our organization forward in the ability to be able to handle issues and discuss them.
  • 01:04:59
    So thank you.
  • 01:05:00
    And sorry about that.
  • 01:05:01
    I digress.
  • 01:05:02
    But anyway, just a couple of comments, I think.
  • 01:05:07
    I really appreciate this project because it does
  • 01:05:12
    show our community that public-private partnerships, as several people have already alluded to, can work if they're done right.
  • 01:05:19
    And I'm very hopeful that this one will be successful.
  • 01:05:23
    I'm supportive of the project.
  • 01:05:25
    The economic development benefit, I think, is really important for Albemarle County as well as Crozet.
  • 01:05:32
    I think that's all great.
  • 01:05:36
    Just to be clear though, for the public,
  • 01:05:40
    This continues a history of the supervisors and staff supporting the Crozet community with infrastructure through Albemarle County dollars to be very simple about this.
  • 01:06:00
    We hear sometimes from the folks in Crozet that we don't support them.
  • 01:06:07
    and I just have to go on record to say that this is the continuation and I don't know that it's necessary to give totals but I think at one point we were up to about 116 to 19 million dollars over the last few years, six to eight years.
  • 01:06:25
    This is another investment in Crozet which we're supporting and I just think somebody has to say that.
  • 01:06:36
    and let's just say in my notes.
  • 01:06:37
    Oh, to go back to Ned's point about restrooms, when I travel, I see universal bathrooms almost everywhere.
  • 01:06:47
    When I go to a restroom in the United States, I see men and women.
  • 01:06:54
    The men's line is never there.
  • 01:06:56
    The women's line goes around the corner and down the street.
  • 01:07:01
    I'm just hoping that when we think about putting in these restrooms,
  • 01:07:06
    that will think about the numbers and think about maybe the possibility of not having the no men's line and the women's line three blocks long.
  • 01:07:19
    Just saying.
  • 01:07:20
    I don't know all the ins and outs of opening and running and creating restrooms, but I know as a user it can be very frustrating.
  • 01:07:29
    and you look like you wanted to say something, so go right ahead, Lance.
• • SPEAKER_30
  • 01:07:32
    I just wanted to say thank you for mentioning that.
  • 01:07:35
    It is something that we as an organization are thinking about right now for our own facilities and I think it's important to think about it for future facilities like this one.
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 01:07:44
    Well, and it used to be that men designed all these bathrooms, right?
  • 01:07:47
    No offense.
  • 01:07:49
    We have a lot more women now that are architects and designers and on staff, so I'm sure they'll have their input as well, but just saying.
  • 01:07:58
    and let's see.
  • 01:08:01
    Oh, I really am pretty adamant about the fact that Albemarle County should not be in the management business.
  • 01:08:09
    Just a comment to go along with what Ned said.
  • 01:08:14
    I don't think we ought to be in the management company for rental space, and I don't think we ought to be in the management company for this.
  • 01:08:21
    I would assume that they will be able to fundraise.
  • 01:08:24
    They certainly did a great job.
  • 01:08:26
    They have a great history in Crozet of fundraising for their library.
  • 01:08:30
    I'm sure Ann could give us other areas that they fundraised for, but I don't think that's something we should be taking on.
  • 01:08:38
    and I think you've alluded to that.
  • 01:08:40
    That's not the plan.
  • 01:08:43
    I guess with that, maybe I'm jumping the gun, but I certainly hope that when this ... I know there's a plan for a hotel and the retail and commercial space, office space, and then another phase for residential.
  • 01:09:02
    and I certainly hope when we get to the residential phase we'll be able to talk about what it might look like to have affordable housing in this area as well.
  • 01:09:10
    So that the people that actually work here could live here.
  • 01:09:15
    And with that, thank you very much.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:09:18
    Thank you.
  • 01:09:19
    Supervisor Mallek.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:09:24
    Thank you very much.
  • 01:09:27
    Pile on and support the concern about retail versus office and hope that we will have a bucket of space that could operate as CommDial does where the walls get moved around and the uses get moved around depending on what the needs are rather than having the county in any way try to restrict.
  • 01:09:43
    X square feet for something that may not even exist.
  • 01:09:46
    So I will just throw that out there.
  • 01:09:48
    I know that the community organization is eager to manage the space and do all the legwork involved in having things come and go, manage the bathroom, the porta-potties, et cetera, et cetera.
  • 01:09:59
    That has been sort of the beginning, where they started at the very, very beginning.
  • 01:10:06
    having stood in the long line at the Boston Symphony Orchestra where there was a two-holer for the women's line and there were a hundred people in long gowns waiting, I understand completely about that dilemma and know that I think the
  • 01:10:19
    bricks and mortar bathrooms will be designed for the come and go, the people who were there for the stores and having a picnic and that kind of thing.
  • 01:10:26
    So I don't even know how many stalls it will be, but the one at the end of the downtown mall by the pavilion here downtown certainly gets a lot of use for the 12 or so, 16 spots that they have in there.
  • 01:10:40
    But I am excited to see it come this far and look forward to the next step.
  • 01:10:44
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:10:45
    Thank you.
  • 01:10:46
    And it appears that we've sort of combined questions and comments here at this point, so I'll continue that.
  • 01:10:50
    First off, Mr. Walker, Mr. Stewart, thank you for your excellent presentation.
  • 01:10:55
    I totally agree with the comments that the other supervisors have made, and it actually brought to mind that perhaps the county should look at contracting out to a management company for any spaces.
  • 01:11:05
    For example, we just had an item on the consent agenda rather than the county having to manage that ourselves.
  • 01:11:10
    Simply throw that out as a matter for consideration.
  • 01:11:14
    I want to thank our representatives from Crozet for being here today.
  • 01:11:18
    And I also want to thank Supervisor Mallek and the Downtown Crozet Initiative.
  • 01:11:22
    I had the opportunity a few weeks to go out and meet with them and see visually this project.
  • 01:11:27
    I totally support it.
  • 01:11:28
    I think it is an incredible opportunity to take a derelict piece of property and really turn it into a jewel in Downtown Crozet.
  • 01:11:37
    And I appreciate the work that all of you have done for the years.
  • 01:11:40
    your persistence, your continued activity and interest in making sure that this project does move forward and I fully support it.
  • 01:11:48
    I'll look around to see if there are any other questions or comments for any supervisors.
  • 01:11:53
    Seeing none, Board, the staff does recommend that we adopt a resolution.
  • 01:11:59
    Supervisor Mallek, being in your district, I'm pleased to see if you would like to make a motion.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:12:03
    I would like very much to move that we adopt the resolution and addendum to development agreement between the county of Albemarle and Crozet-Newtown Associates and there was another sentence on screen a few minutes ago about an according to form approved by the county attorney.
  • 01:12:17
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:12:18
    We have a motion by Supervisor Mallek and a second by Supervisor McKeel.
  • 01:12:23
    Any discussion on the motion?
  • 01:12:26
    Seeing none, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 01:12:29
    Ms.
  • 01:12:29
    Mallek?
  • 01:12:30
    Yes.
  • 01:12:30
    Ms.
  • 01:12:30
    McKeel?
  • 01:12:31
    Yes.
  • 01:12:31
    Ms.
  • 01:12:32
    Price?
  • 01:12:32
    Aye.
  • 01:12:33
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 01:12:34
    Yes.
  • 01:12:35
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 01:12:36
    Yes.
  • 01:12:36
    Ms.
  • 01:12:36
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:12:37
    Aye.
  • 01:12:39
    Thank you board and again thank you county staff and again we appreciate the actions by those who live in the Crozet area to help move this along.

10. Update on the Southwood Redevelopment Project.

Southwood Action PlanPhase 1 Concept PlanResolution Approving Performance AgreementSouthwood Performance Agreement
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:12:50
    Board at this time we will move to item number 10 a presentation an update on the Southwood redevelopment project
  • 01:12:59
    Dr. Pethea, I understand you will be leading this off.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:13:04
    I will, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:13:05
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:13:06
    Chair Price and members of the board, I'm Stacey Pethia and I'm the Housing Policy Manager for Albemarle County.
  • 01:13:15
    Give me one second while I figure out which, since I have two back-to-back presentations, which is the right one.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:13:21
    And Dr. Pethia, if you could also slightly adjust your microphone, I don't quite hear you well enough.
  • 01:13:26
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:13:27
    Is that better?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:13:27
    Much better, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:13:28
    Perfect, great.
  • 01:13:36
    So I have several other people here with me this afternoon.
  • 01:13:40
    Rebecca Ragsdale, Principal Planner and Lead Planner for Southwood Project is here to answer any planning specific questions.
  • 01:13:48
    And Dan Rosenzweig, the President and CEO of Greater Charlottesville Habitat for Humanity is also here, who is a much more expert, much better expert on his project budget than I will ever be.
  • 01:14:03
    But to get things started, this is again an update on the Southwood redevelopment project.
  • 01:14:09
    It is also in response to some questions the board had raised earlier this year, wanting some information on what the project budget is for the entire redevelopment of the Southwood site and we felt this was a good time to also bring some updates on the redevelopment activity itself.
  • 01:14:27
    So just to summarize what the presentation will be today We will begin with a really brief summary of the project background and then an update on the work on the progress of work in phases one and two and phase one sorry and a really brief update on phase two rezoning application and
  • 01:14:46
    And we'll then wrap up with a discussion about the Southwood project budget, as well as an update on project funding.
  • 01:14:52
    We will then turn everything over to the board for questions and discussion.
  • 01:14:59
    So here is just a map of the location of where the Southwood
  • 01:15:07
    site is located.
  • 01:15:08
    It is south of the city off of Old Lynchburg Road.
  • 01:15:12
    And it is a 34-acre site.
  • 01:15:14
    Well, phase one is taking part on approximately 34 acres of undeveloped land along the eastern and southern portions of the property.
  • 01:15:24
    And as some of you may remember, Habitat purchased the mobile home park back in 2007.
  • 01:15:30
    And in 2016, the board passed a resolution supporting a public-private partnership.
  • 01:15:38
    Sorry, that came later.
  • 01:15:40
    Just supporting a collaborative effort to redevelop the community.
  • 01:15:45
    The project was identified as one of the board's strategic plan initiatives for the FY 2017 through 2019 period.
  • 01:15:52
    And then the public-private partnership agreement was approved in 2019.
  • 01:15:57
    That was shortly followed by approval of the Phase 1 rezoning application.
  • 01:16:03
    And just to let you know, the rezoning application for Phase 2 was submitted to the county in 2021.
  • 01:16:14
    Phase 1, a rezoning plan included a maximum of 450 residential units, 270 of which would be provided as affordable housing.
  • 01:16:23
    Phase 1 also includes a maximum of 50,000 square feet of non-residential uses, a neighborhood center in blocks 11 and 12, and those are up in the right-hand corner of the slide, along Hickory Drive, and amenity areas in blocks 1 and 2, which include preserved stream buffers and a primitive trail network.
  • 01:16:45
    The approved site plan for Phase 1 will provide a total of 335 residential units.
  • 01:16:53
    211 of those are affordable.
  • 01:16:54
    That's an update from what you see on the slide, the graphic on the slide.
  • 01:16:59
    The affordable housing units include approximately 121 low-income housing tax credit units, which will be located along Hickory Drive, again, up at the top of the right-hand side of the screen.
  • 01:17:11
    86 habitat-built units to be located in Villages 1 and 2, as well as Block 10.
  • 01:17:17
    And habitat units include condominiums, townhomes, and single-family attached and detached units.
  • 01:17:24
    Village 1 is currently under construction.
  • 01:17:28
    Once complete, the village will include a total of 80 residential units, including 31 market rate homes for sale and 49 affordable homes.
  • 01:17:36
    Habitat is currently working with residents of Southwood to prepare them for home ownership and have identified at least 37 of whom who are approved to purchase an affordable home in Village One.
  • 01:17:47
    And those residents are in the process of selecting the lots on which their homes will be built.
  • 01:17:55
    Other activities associated with Phase 1 and Village 1 include construction of New Hickory and Horizon Streets.
  • 01:18:02
    The county has issued building permits for two of the affordable homes, and they are under construction, as you see here on the slide, with an additional 24 building permits currently under review.
  • 01:18:17
    Site plans for other areas of Southwood are currently under review by county planners.
  • 01:18:22
    These include the site
  • 01:18:24
    for the low-income housing tax credit unit project in blocks 11 and 12.
  • 01:18:30
    These 120 units again will line both sides of Hickory Street and the project will include a recreational area at the corner of Hickory and East Streets.
  • 01:18:40
    The site plan for Blocks 9 through 11 propose construction of 86 residential units, most of which we market rate but will include 16 affordable townhomes.
  • 01:18:50
    Planning staff are also reviewing the site plan for Village 2.
  • 01:18:54
    Once complete, Village 2 will include a total of 48 housing units, 21 of which will be affordable.
  • 01:19:00
    Village 2 will also include a pocket park honoring the Monacan Indian Nation's history on the site.
  • 01:19:05
    This park is part of the currently funded Community Development Block Grant project and will be designed in partnership with members of the Monacan tribe.
  • 01:19:16
    Looking to the future, Habitat has submitted the rezoning application for phase two of the project, which focuses on the redevelopment of the existing mobile home park itself.
  • 01:19:26
    If approved, phase two will include 527 to 1,000 housing units, 227 of which will be affordable, including a potential 60 additional LIHTC units or low-income housing tax credits.
  • 01:19:39
    A maximum of 60,000 square feet of non-residential uses.
  • 01:19:43
    A neighborhood center special area along history street and that will extend the one that is being created in phase one.
  • 01:19:50
    And amenity areas in blocks 13 through 15.
  • 01:19:54
    The phase two rezoning application is scheduled for a public hearing with the planning commission on April 26th, which I believe is next week.
  • 01:20:05
    So now moving on to project budget and funding.
  • 01:20:09
    As mentioned earlier, in 2019, the board approved a performance agreement to provide funding to support the project.
  • 01:20:16
    The performance agreement provides a total of $3.2 million towards the redevelopment of Southwood, including $1.8 million in direct cash contributions and $1.4 million in real estate tax rebates.
  • 01:20:29
    To date, Habitat has met four of the milestones associated with the cash contribution.
  • 01:20:35
    and has received a total of $900,000 of that.
  • 01:20:38
    The remaining $900,000 in cash contributions will be disbursed once Habitat reaches the final two milestones.
  • 01:20:48
    The county has supported the south project in several other ways including a $675,000 contribution from the housing fund reserve which was allocated to Habitat to help support the preparation of the phase one rezoning application and an additional $175,000 of in-kind contributions in the form of county staff time.
  • 01:21:09
    Additionally, the county applied for and was awarded a little over $2.4 million in grant funding, including a $40,000 community development block grant, which I believe was in 2018, and a $2.25 million Vibrant Communities Initiative grant.
  • 01:21:23
    We also have been awarded $118,524 in home funding, which was secured through the Thomas Jefferson Regional Home Consortium.
  • 01:21:41
    Moving on to Habitat's funding, our project estimates.
  • 01:21:45
    Habitat estimates the total cost to redevelop at Southwood, including phases one and two, will be $154.7 million.
  • 01:21:54
    The majority of those costs are associated with site development, with the remaining costs covering resident engagement and rehousing activities, mobile home park operating costs, acquisition and relocation of mobile homes, as well as debt repayment and project soft costs.
  • 01:22:11
    In terms of funding sources, Habitat anticipates securing $131.1 million to cover the project costs.
  • 01:22:19
    This amount includes funds that have already been received and that have or will be expended by the end of this fiscal year.
  • 01:22:25
    The balance of total project funds include donations received through Habitat's capital campaign,
  • 01:22:31
    revenue generated through mobile home park operations, proceeds from the sale of land for market rate housing, and funds Habitat anticipates receiving through federal and state grants, local government contributions, and foundations.
  • 01:22:47
    The difference between the estimated project costs and the anticipated revenue throughout the life of the project is an estimated $16.2 million.
  • 01:22:56
    County staff has identified a number of different grant funding programs that may help close this gap in project funding.
  • 01:23:02
    These sources include community development block grants such as the Construction Ready Water and Sewer Fund.
  • 01:23:09
    That would be a maximum of $800,000 grant reward.
  • 01:23:14
    and is really geared towards projects that have their engineering drawings already approved.
  • 01:23:21
    We are also looking into the Virginia Brownfields Restoration Economic Redevelopment Assistance Fund.
  • 01:23:27
    That is the maximum award of $500,000 and does require a $500,000 match from the county.
  • 01:23:34
    Budget and finance staff are looking at the Infrastructure Act funding to determine which of those sources would be appropriate for Southwood.
  • 01:23:43
    And there is always the opportunity
  • 01:23:45
    to re-enter into another P3 agreement with a performance agreement and also funding through the housing fund reserve.
  • 01:23:55
    And that is the end of the slideshow, so we will open it up for questions.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:23:59
    All right.
  • 01:24:00
    Thank you, Dr. Pythian.
  • 01:24:02
    We will go through our order.
  • 01:24:04
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 01:24:07
    Yes, thank you very much, Dr. Pythian.
  • 01:24:08
    Could you go back to slide 16?
  • 01:24:18
    He said resident engagement and rehousing, 7%.
  • 01:24:23
    Rehousing, I think I understand the cost of moving them into that, but resident engagement,
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:24:32
    So the residents have been active planners throughout this entire process.
  • 01:24:37
    So that is the effort that is put into helping them understand the planning process and really working with them.
  • 01:24:46
    And Mr. Rosenzweig might want to add to that.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 01:24:53
    And I understand they've been doing that up until this point.
  • 01:24:56
    I didn't know, is this cost that have been associated with, or is this continuing future costs?
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:25:06
    Thanks for the question.
  • 01:25:07
    Dan Rosen's Wild Habitat for Humanity.
  • 01:25:09
    Yeah, that's throughout the entire project.
  • 01:25:11
    So from the inception in 2007 all the way through completion.
  • 01:25:14
    So every cohort will design their own neighborhood.
  • 01:25:18
    So those costs project forward as well.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:25:23
    OK.
  • 01:25:23
    Thank you.
  • 01:25:23
    No other questions at this time.
  • 01:25:25
    Thank you.
  • 01:25:25
    Thank you.
  • 01:25:26
    Supervisor Galloway?
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:25:29
    I don't think I have any questions at this point.
  • 01:25:32
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:25:33
    Thank you.
  • 01:25:34
    Supervisor Andrews?
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:25:38
    One question, I guess this is slide 17.
  • 01:25:43
    I'm trying to understand different sources of revenue.
  • 01:25:48
    One that's not mentioned here but I think people are aware of is a recent very generous gift to the Habitat for Humanity of Charlottesville.
  • 01:25:57
    I'd just like to hear how this plays in with this project.
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:26:06
    Thanks for the question.
  • 01:26:07
    It's a blessing and a curse because it's actually already baked into this.
  • 01:26:12
    So without that funding, we're at a roughly $24 million deficit.
  • 01:26:17
    With that funding, we're at a $20 million deficit.
  • 01:26:20
    I'm sorry, $26 million deficit.
  • 01:26:22
    With that funding, we're at a $20 million deficit.
  • 01:26:24
    So it's already basically been spent forward on deficit spending at Southwood.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:26:31
    But I'm asking also sort of where it is on this chart.
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:26:38
    It's a good question.
  • 01:26:39
    This was a translation of a chart from some numbers that I provided for the county, and I'm not quite sure how it got distilled exactly this way.
  • 01:26:48
    But I'm certainly, I can get that answer for you once, Stacy, I can kind of compare notes.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:26:53
    Thank you.
  • 01:26:53
    I would appreciate that.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:26:58
    Anything further, Supervisor Andrews?
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:27:01
    Otherwise, I appreciate the update on milestones.
  • 01:27:04
    I do have ongoing concerns about resident retention as this process goes forward and I look forward to hearing more about that as well.
  • 01:27:13
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:27:13
    Thank you.
  • 01:27:14
    Supervisor McKeel?
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 01:27:16
    Yes, thank you for the presentation.
  • 01:27:19
    And my understanding for today is this is information.
  • 01:27:22
    You're updating us on where we are with this project, which is really
  • 01:27:28
    We've all been very supportive, and I think it's a great project.
  • 01:27:32
    So with that, I don't think I have any questions right now.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:27:35
    Thank you.
  • 01:27:36
    Supervisor Mallek?
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:27:41
    Thank you.
  • 01:27:42
    I really appreciate all of the multiple times that various folks have helped me to go through this and get, each time, a little better handle on things.
  • 01:27:50
    And I've mentioned it many times in the past that I just would like to have perhaps both of you
  • 01:27:59
    Explain a little bit more about how the process will go forward or what possibilities there are for the improvements to the septic situation that's there now.
  • 01:28:10
    And just so there's some timetables and people can understand who are listening, what's coming soon and what's coming when townhouses are finished in Village One, etc.
  • 01:28:20
    Thank you.
  • 01:28:22
    You may take turns.
  • 01:28:23
    I don't mind.
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:28:25
    Thank you for the question.
  • 01:28:27
    Yes, so we have tried to get ahead of the environmental challenges there.
  • 01:28:34
    The good news is we've put about $2 million already into environmental remediation, so phase one is clean.
  • 01:28:41
    it's pristine and so we're building on that now and the even better news is by doing phase one and beginning to work in doing some oil tank removals and septic removal that's already part of phase two we actually now know what's under the ground and so we have a plan cohesive coordinated plan that we're finalizing with our contractors Faulkner Construction for complete remediation of the site
  • 01:29:10
    having said that there are two areas of the current mobile home park that are on failing septic right now and there's one area of the park that was draining directly into the area that we're trying to develop and that was obviously a catastrophe and so one of the things that we've had to do
  • 01:29:28
    Earlier than we thought was scramble a little bit to help create, we created trailer pads on the other side of the park that's on sewer.
  • 01:29:36
    We've been moving people.
  • 01:29:38
    Some folks have moved out over the years and we've purchased mobile homes and rehabbed them.
  • 01:29:43
    And so the first 80 or so families were about halfway through moving them out of that
  • 01:29:49
    that part of the park so we can decommission all of that septic into an area of the park that's on public sewer so that they can temporarily be in a safer and healthier place and so that that sewage doesn't leach, start leaching again into what we've cleaned up.
  • 01:30:04
    The more tricky but I think the more creative thing on the table is that there's one more area of roughly 170 trailers that are on failing septic now and that is leaching into Biscuit Run.
  • 01:30:20
    and every time someone flushes a toilet, it's affecting our watershed and so we feel a deep, deep need and a pressing urgency to get those folks off of septic even in advance of being able to redevelop, redeveloping and build permanent housing so we can move people out of there.
  • 01:30:42
    Ultimately, the plan is to play hopscotch, is essentially to build one area, move people from one area to the other, but we just don't have the time for that.
  • 01:30:53
    Given what we found under the ground, we worked with county engineering staff and county ARPA specialists, grant specialists, to put together an application for installation of a sewer line in that area of the park that would take every single person who's on septic currently at Southwood off of septic.
  • 01:31:17
    The total cost for that would be about $6.5 million.
  • 01:31:22
    It would also be infrastructure that we're designing to be part of the second phase.
  • 01:31:27
    So it would be infrastructure that's not temporary infrastructure, it's permanent infrastructure going into the ultimate, taking care of some of the deficit, the $20 million deficit that we're facing right now.
  • 01:31:38
    So it would both help currently and help in the future.
  • 01:31:42
    Project is that funding proposal's in front of you.
  • 01:31:46
    It's not currently recommended for funding by staff, but it's still in front of you.
  • 01:31:53
    But that engineering is underway right now.
  • 01:31:56
    My understanding is that we could start that in 2023, and it's probably about a six-month installation.
  • 01:32:02
    So by the end of 2023, we could potentially have every single person at Southwood out of Phelan Septic.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:32:10
    and some part of that, you're also looking for grants to cover, outside grants to cover some part of that septic installation as well?
  • 01:32:17
    I mean the sewer installation?
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:32:19
    Well it's all outside grants.
  • 01:32:21
    So this was the grant application we have is an ARPA, American Relief Plan Act application and was pretty confident in that in reading through the CFRs that that infrastructure money is specifically
  • 01:32:35
    targeted to low income neighborhoods that have disproportionately suffered the brunt of COVID, which Southwood did.
  • 01:32:44
    It had a 50% almost positivity rate.
  • 01:32:47
    Most people lost income.
  • 01:32:50
    It was a definition of hardest hit neighborhoods.
  • 01:32:54
    And sewer line installation is one of the specific items.
  • 01:32:57
    So I felt pretty confident about it.
  • 01:32:58
    I think if you were to choose to fund it, it would really kind of hit the bull's eye.
  • 01:33:02
    Also, I understand that there are a lot of funding needs.
  • 01:33:05
    It probably doesn't need full funding.
  • 01:33:07
    We do have some, you know, we do have opportunities to raise some money and there are some other grants as Dr. Pethia pointed out like the CDBG grant that could leverage partial funding up.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:33:20
    That was specifically what I was asking for so that's good.
  • 01:33:23
    Thank you.
  • 01:33:26
    And then
  • 01:33:28
    Okay, I think that may be all right now, but thank you very much.
  • 01:33:33
    I'm completely teary on the ankle about the septic fields, so that's why I'm total vision on that issue in any way that we can put together various buckets of something either to, and I, so can, Stacy, could you talk a little bit about the
  • 01:33:54
    I think it's townhomes, they're called, that are under construction now.
  • 01:33:59
    Some of these folks might be able to move into Village One.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:34:05
    Habitat will be constructing condominium buildings in Village One, which could be used for rehousing purposes.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:34:12
    Until everything else gets squared away.
  • 01:34:15
    The time frame of that is a year to have them ready or longer.
• • SPEAKER_28
  • 01:34:21
    We have building permit applications in.
  • 01:34:23
    We're just waiting to receive building permits for those.
  • 01:34:25
    We have a contractor lined up.
  • 01:34:27
    It's four buildings, two six-unit buildings, two four-unit buildings, and the contractor estimates that each building will take about three to four months to complete.
  • 01:34:36
    So we could start moving people by the end of the year.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:34:40
    So that's one of those short-term hopeful categories that would really help a lot of people.
  • 01:34:44
    Yes, it is.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:34:46
    All right, thank you.
  • 01:34:48
    Because this is a presentation, I don't have any questions.
  • 01:34:52
    I do have some comments.
  • 01:34:53
    Mr. Rosenzweig, thank you for the opportunity to come out to Southwood earlier this week and go over some of these complex financial aspects of your project.
  • 01:35:02
    It is important to recognize that unlike a typical development, the rehabilitation of Southwood requires some expenses that a typical developer would not have.
  • 01:35:11
    because of moving people around and cleaning up and things like that.
  • 01:35:16
    And it was exciting to see the first two structures a little further along than we saw this afternoon on board.
  • 01:35:22
    And I just have to think about, again, the complexity and the time
  • 01:35:29
    If Habitat purchased the property in 2007, we know that you put some time into it before the purchase took place and now we're 15 years later and we're finally getting to the first units to be constructed.
  • 01:35:42
    So it is a project the county has been very supportive of and thank you for being here today and Dr. Pethea, thank you for the presentation.
  • 01:35:51
    I can assure the board the financials are way more complex than what we see on the screen here today.
  • 01:35:56
    Anything further?
  • 01:35:57
    Any supervisor?
  • 01:35:59
    No?
  • 01:35:59
    If not, thank you both.
  • 01:36:01
    And on board at this time, we are scheduled for a recess.

11. 3:30 p.m. - Recess

• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:36:10
    But I think if listening to Vice Chair LaPisto-Kirtley, Dr. Peteya, I think we can go ahead and move on to your next one rather than take that recess.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:36:24
    Chair Price, may I ask one question which I forgot, I wrote it on the wrong piece of paper.
  • 01:36:28
    In one of the slides, oh here it is, this one for phase two, this may be premature, but just as a general policy question, if there's 527 minimum to 1,000 maximum units, 227 affordable, if the, as the maximum number of units increases, does the number of affordable units increase to keep a similar percentage?
  • 01:36:52
    and that may be a future answer, but it's just what occurred to me when I heard the numbers presented and I thought, aha, that's a big range of sliding scale, so that may be another day to answer.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:37:02
    Yeah, we can get that information together for you.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:37:04
    Okay, I'll do that, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:37:07
    Dr. Pethio, you're back up.

12. Requests for Housing Fund Support.

Housing Fund Request Summaries
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:37:13
    And board, this is item number 11, request for housing fund support.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:37:19
    Again, I'm Stacy Pethia, housing policy manager.
  • 01:37:26
    And so this is really bringing recommendations forward on being able to fund some affordable housing projects and programs with the housing fund reserve.
  • 01:37:38
    That's a long name that I never remember, sorry.
  • 01:37:41
    So I will just go briefly through some background about the housing fund and housing needs in the county.
  • 01:37:50
    and then talk about requests for funding that we received through both the Agency Budget Review Team or ABRT processes and the American Rescue Plan Act funding application processes and then talk about recommendations for funding.
  • 01:38:09
    And so I believe you all saw this graphic for the first time during a recent budget work session that really lays out the spectrum of housing needs.
  • 01:38:18
    And looking at the most vulnerable in our community, which is persons and families experiencing homelessness and moving all the way up through workforce housing, which is one of the least vulnerable populations in the county, but also often needs support moving into especially home ownership as our housing prices rise.
  • 01:38:40
    and in order to help support affordable housing in Albemarle County, the county provides funding support for various projects and programs through several different funding streams.
  • 01:38:56
    The allocation of some types of funding are approved through the budget development process and that would be, for example, the agency budget review team process
  • 01:39:06
    Each year, nonprofit organizations submit funding requests to the county, which are reviewed and rated by teams comprised of community members and oftentimes county staff, or at least supported by county staff.
  • 01:39:18
    The county budget office then uses those ratings to develop funding recommendations for human services programs, which include affordable housing, and those are included in the proposed budget for the upcoming fiscal year.
  • 01:39:31
    These recommendations are then considered by the board during the work sessions and approved with adoption of the final budget.
  • 01:39:38
    The county utilized the same process for allocation of American Rescue Plan Act, and those are also included in the budget for FY23.
  • 01:39:50
    But another mechanism the county uses for providing funding for affordable housing programs is the county's Housing Fund Reserve.
  • 01:39:57
    That fund was established in fiscal year 2019 budget.
  • 01:40:00
    to provide funding support partly for phase one in the Southwood project, but also for housing projects and programs that are one-time costs.
  • 01:40:10
    Funding through the Housing Fund Reserve, those projects are approved by the Board of Supervisors outside of the budget development process, sort of where we are today.
  • 01:40:22
    So through the ABRT and ARPA application processes, the county received more than $20 million in requests for funding for affordable housing programs.
  • 01:40:33
    Seven applications received, requested funding to, the seven of those, sorry, that were received would really support the construction of 445 new units of affordable housing, the preservation of 133 affordable housing units, and also programs to support individuals and families experiencing homelessness, as well as emergency shelter and supportive services for victims of domestic violence.
  • 01:41:03
    We also received one additional application outside of those two processes, which I'll be discussing later.
  • 01:41:12
    So through the ABRT process, the recommendations put forth in the upcoming proposed budget really provide services to support homelessness in emergency shelter programs, affordable home ownership programs, particularly housing rehabilitation, as well as affordable rental housing with Piedmont Housing Alliance.
  • 01:41:37
    With the ARPA reserve recommendations in the budget, those again would help support homeless and emergency services, affordable home ownership through housing rehab with AHIP, and permanent supportive housing, which really helps support the chronically homeless individuals in our community.
  • 01:41:55
    That would be a $2.4 million investment if approved, and that would effectively end chronic homelessness in Albemarle County.
  • 01:42:03
    and what that means is that we would have enough housing to ensure that as someone moves into chronic homelessness they move out really quickly.
  • 01:42:13
    So what we are here to talk about today are those projects and programs that were either not funded through that budget or through the budget process or
  • 01:42:26
    were not fully funded or not recommended for full funding.
  • 01:42:30
    And so housing team pulled together a review team which had representatives from several different county departments.
  • 01:42:42
    And those included finance and budget, the Office of Equity and Inclusion, the Office of Communications,
  • 01:42:52
    Thank you public engagement and social services.
  • 01:42:59
    So those team members reviewed those applications, they rated them, and then they came together to have a discussion about their funding recommendations when those discussions were facilitated by me.
  • 01:43:12
    And what they came forward with were recommendations to really support three
  • 01:43:20
    programs at this time.
  • 01:43:22
    Currently, the housing fund has $1.7 million that are available in FY22 funding.
  • 01:43:30
    The recommendations were to take $1.29 of those dollars and fund $421,000 approximately to AHIP, which would support the preservation of 41 housing units.
  • 01:43:42
    provide $625,000 to the Piedmont Community Land Trust for the construction of 12 permanently affordable housing units, and also $250,000 towards the Energy Improvement Program, which is currently working through and being funded with facilities and environmental services in their climate action plan.
  • 01:44:05
    This particular $250,000 would be able to expand on that program and help them serve more households.
  • 01:44:11
    that would serve, the 1.29 million dollars would serve a total of 78 units if approved today.
  • 01:44:18
    And this is what we are really asking you for.
  • 01:44:21
    But we also want to give you a heads up that should the board approve the transfer of 3.1 million dollars into the housing fund through the next budget process,
  • 01:44:34
    that staff will be coming back with a proposal and recommendation to fund an additional $3.3 million in FY23 housing reserve funds.
  • 01:44:48
    And those $3 million would provide support to 161 units of affordable housing.
  • 01:44:55
    $3 million of those dollars would be recommended to go towards Piedmont Housing Alliance and the Southwood Apartments.
  • 01:45:01
    and another $306,000 to Habitat for Humanity to provide master leasing for resident relocation.
  • 01:45:09
    This is not being considered today.
  • 01:45:11
    We just want to let you know that this is out there and staff will be coming back hopefully in June.
  • 01:45:17
    That is tentative at the moment to see how we get on the schedule.
  • 01:45:23
    So we will open this up to any discussion or questions that you may have.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:45:27
    All right.
  • 01:45:28
    Thank you, Dr. Peffia.
  • 01:45:30
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 01:45:34
    I really don't have any questions right now.
  • 01:45:36
    I want to see what my fellow supervisors have to say.
  • 01:45:39
    Thank you.
  • 01:45:40
    Supervisor Galloway.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:45:43
    Thank you, Dr. Peffia.
  • 01:45:44
    All right.
  • 01:45:48
    So understanding that you're coming back for the 3-3 and what would be spent based on what you're asking for today.
  • 01:45:55
    So we, for fiscal year
  • 01:45:57
    No.
  • 01:45:57
    So what is in the fund today?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:46:15
    So I believe that $5 million you're talking about would be the $3.1 million that's recommended in the budget plus an additional... What exists now?
  • 01:46:23
    Correct.
  • 01:46:25
    So that would, coming back in June with the $3.3 million recommendation, would still leave that extra money.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:46:33
    The $1.7 million or whatever.
  • 01:46:35
    So the monies that we're being asked for today, where is that coming from?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:46:40
    That is currently in the housing fund balance.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:46:43
    So that's what I'm not understanding.
  • 01:46:44
    If that's currently in the housing fund balance and we are planning to add $3 million roughly to get it to five, but if we're taking the monies out of the current fund,
  • 01:46:56
    You come back and ask for an additional 3.3.
  • 01:46:59
    My math is getting me close to zero.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:47:02
    You're correct then.
  • 01:47:03
    I thought you were talking about putting additional funds above that 3.3 million.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:47:06
    So it would be right at the start of whenever that come back, we would not have any dollars left in our housing fund.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:47:12
    Correct.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:47:13
    Or there may be half a million dollars or something like that.
  • 01:47:18
    Is there plans to come back to us when you ask for that 3.3 of what the future replenishment plan will be for the housing fund?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:47:26
    Not at this time, but I can add that to that.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:47:32
    My concern is that if we write, whenever that comeback date is, let's just say July for sake of argument, that we're starting a fiscal year with nothing left in the gas tank for affordable housing.
  • 01:47:42
    Not saying that what we would be spending the money on or what the projects are not worth it.
  • 01:47:46
    That's a different conversation.
  • 01:47:48
    but these projects don't get at the total affordable housing issue around the county and is very specific to some locations.
  • 01:47:58
    So we are in the midst of discussing incentives.
  • 01:48:04
    So these incentive packages are going to what targets in to help developers hit our housing Albemarle targets of 20% and the lowered rent, the rent bar that we put in.
  • 01:48:17
    So if we're going into fiscal year 23 with a zero amount in the housing fund, where's the money for the incentives going to come from?
  • 01:48:24
    Is there any talk or discussion about how we're going to enable these incentives to be funded that we're working on diligently to try to stimulate?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:48:34
    I don't have any firm answer for that, but those discussions have been happening.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:48:42
    And then I'll leave this topic alone.
  • 01:48:47
    Let me ask one specific question or ask more of a comment really.
  • 01:48:50
    The Piedmont Community Land Trust, when you say permanently affordable, could you, we all talk about affordable housing and especially when it's with rezonings, the conversation comes up about how they're not permanently affordable.
  • 01:49:03
    So just for the record, can you explain how that particular project does achieve permanent affordability for those units?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:49:11
    Absolutely.
  • 01:49:12
    A very simple explanation is that as an individual purchases a land trust home, they enter into a 90-year ground lease with the community land trust.
  • 01:49:22
    And that controls how much money they can resell that property for when they move out.
  • 01:49:28
    And then when the second buyer comes in and buys that home, they again enter into a 90-year ground lease, which starts from year zero.
  • 01:49:35
    So you are constantly
  • 01:49:38
    Each time a person moves in, they begin that new 90-year affordability period, so it will always be affordable, even when someone moves.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:49:47
    Thank you for that.
  • 01:49:48
    So the bigger caution, or the bigger thing that's going to be on my mind, and it may be when the $3.3 million comes back for action, it may be at a different time,
  • 01:50:00
    But we got over $20 million asked for us for affordable units.
  • 01:50:05
    And that's just who asked.
  • 01:50:07
    So we know that the monies needed or the resources needed to tackle the issue are probably greater than that.
  • 01:50:13
    but we're going into a time where we know that we're pushing these incentives out, that we want folks to come forward, ask us for these to help get affordable units into the stock and I'm very concerned that we're going to go a full fiscal year without having any money available to be able to attack the issue.
  • 01:50:32
    further than what the $5 million is.
  • 01:50:34
    I don't want to pretend like this $5 million is not being used to attack the issue, but we have more to do and just the ask for applications is an indication of what the scale of it is.
  • 01:50:44
    In my mind, this is also what helps get to when we start talking about the trust fund and what the purpose of the trust fund is, how it needs to be regularly sustained, monies need to go into it.
  • 01:50:54
    Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel, Governor McKeel,
  • 01:51:23
    I suspect I know some of the answers.
  • 01:51:24
    I know that there's other reserves that can be used as things come up.
  • 01:51:28
    So I'm not feeling like it's dire enough where we couldn't pivot if we needed to based on what comes up.
  • 01:51:35
    But I'd rather us be proactive as opposed to reactive when the requests come in.
  • 01:51:39
    So I make that request for the next conversation whenever it's appropriate to do so.
  • 01:51:45
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:51:45
    Thank you.
  • 01:51:47
    Thank you.
  • 01:51:48
    Supervisor.
  • 01:51:49
    Oh, Mr. Walker.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 01:51:52
    Thank you Chair Price, members of the board, Doug Walker, Deputy County Executive, Supervisor Galloway, if I could address the incentive issue because I think you clearly hit on a dilemma that staff has is the extent to which that we recommend using funds that may be available now for needs that are identified now and then how does that then relate to choices that are going to be available for us to make in the future and there's obviously not going to be a clear answer for that.
  • 01:52:18
    We will be back in front of the board
  • 01:52:20
    Excuse me.
  • 01:52:21
    We will be back in front of the board in May with that next conversation about incentives.
  • 01:52:27
    And we certainly hope that we have heard enough from you about from the last conversation to have a conversation with you this time that is going to result in some confidence and comfort level about that we're heading in the right direction.
  • 01:52:40
    At the end of the day, the incentives is going to relate to money.
  • 01:52:44
    There are other ways besides just cash available to try to address that and the
  • 01:52:50
    The synthetic TIF is the easiest example, maybe not the only example, of where a rebate for future investment then is used as a way to guarantee or provide certainty around what the investor is going to get in exchange for what it is that we want.
  • 01:53:09
    but I just want to kind of acknowledge that the next conversation on May the 4th around the program for developer incentives isn't going to answer this question either but it is one that we're aware of and know that when we come forward with, yeah, we're going to bring you a recommendation to use all the money that we're now asking you to put into the housing fund, we don't have an effective strategy today for those future needs that we have not yet identified.
  • 01:53:35
    That's a good point.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:53:36
    I appreciate that.
  • 01:53:37
    I know in the budget recommendation that there was a target year and one of the out years that ongoing monies, the annual contribution to the fund would begin.
  • 01:53:48
    We've been doing the one-time monies into the housing fund, but was that two years down the road?
  • 01:53:53
    Mr. Bowman may have that.
  • 01:53:58
    That's the backstop, in my opinion, of part of the replenishment plan.
• • SPEAKER_00
  • 01:54:03
    Andy Bowman, Chief of Budget in the Department of Finance and Budget.
  • 01:54:07
    With the board in the five-year plan process this fall, we contemplated for the housing fund and economic development and other strategic priorities, starting ongoing funding that would ramp up in the out years.
  • 01:54:18
    So our approach with the board this fall after the strategic planning process would be then to revisit in the context of the five-year plan in those out years to what extent they could be brought forward in terms of the timing.
  • 01:54:28
    That's certainly an area that we would appreciate the board's feedback as we work ahead through that process the rest of the year.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 01:54:34
    Got it.
  • 01:54:35
    And then we retain the ability to put any one-time monies that come available into the fund as we would see fit.
  • 01:54:41
    Yes, correct.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:54:41
    All right.
  • 01:54:42
    Thank you.
  • 01:54:43
    Thank you.
  • 01:54:44
    Supervisor Andrews.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:54:46
    Yes, thank you, and I hope I'm catching up here.
  • 01:54:49
    It's always great to follow Supervisor Galloway because I share a lot of the same concerns.
  • 01:54:54
    And so if I get the timing right here, we have been talking about the budget a lot and the housing reserve fund in the budget and getting it to a certain level.
  • 01:55:04
    But some of this money is coming from fiscal year 22, and it's expected now that we're going to allocate it to these projects, which I think are very worthwhile projects.
  • 01:55:16
    But then in May 4th, we will approve a budget, which will presumably include this housing reserve fund.
  • 01:55:24
    Then in May, we'll talk about incentives, which may involve how some of the housing goes.
  • 01:55:30
    But then we'll look at this additional cost for $3.3 million shortly afterwards, sometime in the following month.
  • 01:55:38
    If I got that straight, I just want to make sure.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:55:39
    Yes, sir.
  • 01:55:40
    OK.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:55:41
    Thank you.
  • 01:55:44
    Okay, a couple of quick follow-up questions.
  • 01:55:46
    Well then, you mentioned something about putting money in the future under a five-year plan.
  • 01:55:54
    Let me just ask it.
  • 01:55:57
    reflected anywhere in our current budget documents.
  • 01:55:59
    Our capital improvement plan talks about the future, but this is not a capital improvement, so it's not reflected in that.
  • 01:56:05
    This is just something we would do in the future.
  • 01:56:08
    Thank you.
  • 01:56:09
    I appreciate that.
  • 01:56:11
    You mentioned a couple of these projects came outside the usual process, but I missed the point where you might have said which ones were
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:56:19
    Yes, so only one.
  • 01:56:21
    We received a request for funding from the Local Energy Alliance Program, or LEAP, for their home energy retrofit program.
  • 01:56:30
    And so in speaking with Facilities and Environmental Services, who is already funding a similar program with AHIP and LEAP, I spoke with them, and it would be really convenient and easy to expand on that program instead of creating a new one.
  • 01:56:47
    So that's where that came from.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 01:56:50
    And I very much appreciate both of those programs.
  • 01:56:52
    I know that they already work together.
  • 01:56:53
    At least that's what the AHIP website indicates.
  • 01:56:56
    And it even indicates an amount per house that they typically devote towards energy savings.
  • 01:57:02
    And I just hope this is all being coordinated.
  • 01:57:04
    That's really my biggest concern about that.
  • 01:57:06
    Absolutely.
  • 01:57:07
    Yeah.
  • 01:57:07
    OK.
  • 01:57:08
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:57:09
    All right.
  • 01:57:10
    Thank you.
  • 01:57:11
    Supervisor McKeel?
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 01:57:13
    This discussion has been very helpful.
  • 01:57:16
    And what I'm seeing once again is that we have a very thoughtful staff who is looking to the future and planning out as they're making their recommendations to us.
  • 01:57:29
    And the same concerns that we express at the dais, you all have already said, well, this is going to be a problem.
  • 01:57:37
    We're going to have to figure out how to handle this.
  • 01:57:39
    That's just lovely.
  • 01:57:40
    I just really appreciate the professionalism,
  • 01:57:43
    the quality of our staff, the thoughtfulness and how you are helping us work ourselves through this affordable housing problem or conundrum and certainly others that come up as well.
  • 01:57:58
    So I am very supportive of what you're recommending.
  • 01:58:01
    Look forward to future discussions.
  • 01:58:04
    about how we can move our community through this struggle of trying to provide affordable housing for our community.
  • 01:58:13
    And I just want to thank everybody very much.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:58:16
    Thank you.
  • 01:58:17
    Supervisor Mallek?
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 01:58:20
    Thank you.
  • 01:58:21
    Let me get back to the right spot in my notes.
  • 01:58:24
    Come on, machine.
  • 01:58:25
    Let's go.
  • 01:58:26
    All right.
  • 01:58:29
    I know it will be appropriate through all of these different phases whether now or medium or long term.
  • 01:58:35
    Can you talk about how the money is actually handled contract wise?
  • 01:58:39
    What sort of agreements will be in place so that people can be reassured that we're actually watching the pennies very, very carefully because there are a lot of zeros here?
  • 01:58:49
    That would help me to have
  • 01:58:51
    have that sort of information.
  • 01:58:53
    And I understand that this may be a premature question, but sometimes asking a question earlier helps to put people's mind at ease that there is actually thought going on.
  • 01:59:01
    So can you help us with that?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:59:02
    Absolutely.
  • 01:59:03
    And that's a really good point.
  • 01:59:05
    We want to make sure that whenever the county provides funding to any project, that we have mechanisms in place that protect those public dollars.
  • 01:59:14
    And so there are a variety of different ways that we can
  • 01:59:19
    secure those funds.
  • 01:59:21
    And they will most likely be different for each project as each project is different.
  • 01:59:25
    But it would definitely require entering into some sort of contract, whether it's a grant funding contract or it's a memorandum of understanding or MOA.
  • 01:59:34
    that would spell out exactly how those funds would be dispersed.
  • 01:59:39
    That could be on a monthly basis, a quarterly basis.
  • 01:59:43
    It could be all sometimes one lump sum if there are ways that we can ensure it's being used for what the requester has asked for the money for.
  • 01:59:53
    There will also be ways that we can track progress annually.
  • 01:59:59
    so some sort of annual reporting and that will also help us keep track of a lot of information that is often not collected right now and that would look at the number of households, their income levels, racial and ethnic data so we make sure that we're really targeting the county funding towards the appropriate needs and the most needs at that time as well as clawback provisions so that if the recipient does not actually meet
  • 02:00:25
    the county's expectations or even what they said they were going to use the money for that we can get those funds back.
  • 02:00:33
    So I can't give you an exact example of what that would look like but there would definitely be something in place.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 02:00:39
    Well that's very reassuring and what I expected but I still wanted to hear it properly explained.
  • 02:00:46
    And the same will go forward as we begin to enter into agreements with the land trust.
  • 02:00:52
    We'll all be able to learn more about exactly who and what is going on in there, what the rules will be for the participants, which is good.
  • 02:01:00
    And the infrastructure bill, which is not even, I don't think, in Congress, but they haven't come out with the rules yet.
  • 02:01:05
    There may be some possibility there as well for future grants.
  • 02:01:09
    And I'm sure that you and others are diligently watching websites and webinars and all that kind of thing.
  • 02:01:16
    I do very much appreciate your recommendation for the weatherization.
  • 02:01:21
    I think that helping current people who are struggling with their affordable houses right now which have serious mechanical problems and leaky roofs and
  • 02:01:33
    being able to leverage outside funding from Dominion for weatherization and the way AHIP and LEED were able to work together to bring in even further outside dollars has been very, very helpful to so many families.
  • 02:01:44
    So I'm glad we're going to be expanding an existing program rather than starting up a new one.
  • 02:01:49
    And one thought to leave with people to think about is
  • 02:01:55
    Maybe 2010, trying to remember who the players were up here.
  • 02:01:59
    The county executive at the time proposed a particular levy on the tax rate for water resources and stormwater investments only.
  • 02:02:08
    I think it was 0.7.
  • 02:02:13
    because it was
  • 02:02:33
    to set up that ongoing, because ongoing funding is so, so helpful.
  • 02:02:37
    I mean, we had it for three whole years for one program.
  • 02:02:39
    Then it didn't continue anymore.
  • 02:02:41
    So I really hope that we can find some plan like that to help us go forward.
  • 02:02:47
    But I'm very grateful for all the extra staff help to help me understand what looked like pretty scary stuff up here.
  • 02:02:55
    So I appreciate that.
  • 02:02:57
    I need lots of hand-holding going over these.
  • 02:02:59
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:03:00
    All right, thank you.
  • 02:03:01
    Well, I think it's evident that our needs are great.
  • 02:03:04
    Our resources are limited.
  • 02:03:07
    I think the other supervisors have addressed the concerns and questions that I have.
  • 02:03:11
    I'll bring up again the suggestion that a property transfer fee that goes into an affordable housing account may be a very good way to regularly be able to fund that.
  • 02:03:26
    I share Supervisor Galloway's concerns of ensuring that we do have continuing available funding for affordable housing.
  • 02:03:36
    and I have no questions at this time.
  • 02:03:39
    Supervisor Galloway?
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 02:03:40
    Yeah, I'm sorry, I did have one, and this can be a follow-up, it doesn't have to be addressed now, but both to the point of what we're funding today and what will be coming back to us, I am interested in knowing what we're not funding.
  • 02:03:56
    Because that wasn't, or if it was presented, I didn't
  • 02:04:02
    direct me to where I can see what's not being.
  • 02:04:05
    I mean, when we make the choice to fund something at the expense of other projects, we need to know what those other things are.
  • 02:04:11
    And then, your graph that you put up with the AMI, the chart, it may be somehow that there's a scorecard there that as we see these projects we decide to use that you're showing us on that type of chart, here's where those monies
  • 02:04:32
    what it attacked along that spectrum and even maybe populations that are in there like seniors who are dealing with affordable housing.
  • 02:04:40
    I think as we spend this type of money on it, as you were speaking of clawbacks and all of that sort of thing, for things that aren't achieved when they are achieved that we're tracking that and putting that out so that people see that yes, we were able to tackle this and this is where it falls in our chart of how we're trying to go about it.
  • 02:04:58
    So just food for thought.
  • 02:04:59
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:05:00
    Thank you.
  • 02:05:00
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 02:05:03
    Yes, thank you very much.
  • 02:05:04
    I'm gathering my thoughts and especially after the comments from Supervisor Galloway and from Supervisor McKeel.
  • 02:05:13
    I'll take Supervisor McKeel's comment first.
  • 02:05:17
    I want to say that either our staff are somehow connecting with our brains or they're very intuitive and brilliant.
  • 02:05:26
    I think it's the latter.
  • 02:05:29
    So I compliments because you do seem to know where we're going, what we want to do, what we want to accomplish.
  • 02:05:38
    So that's a very huge compliment.
  • 02:05:41
    And regarding what Supervisor Galloway said, it was very interesting.
  • 02:05:45
    I thought that, are we spending down all of our money?
  • 02:05:49
    And then my thought is, well,
  • 02:05:52
    Do we want to have a balance?
  • 02:05:54
    Do we want to spend down all of our money for affordable housing?
  • 02:05:59
    I know at one point there was a large balance, or seemingly a nice size balance, and I was concerned, and I think I even asked Dr. Pethia, I said,
  • 02:06:11
    and I did ask her, I said, how much are we being asked in affordable housing because we have this balance and what is being asked?
  • 02:06:21
    And she gave me this huge amount and I was like, oh, okay, didn't know that.
  • 02:06:27
    So that was really good information.
  • 02:06:29
    But that is the question, do we want to spend it all or do we want to save some of it?
  • 02:06:34
    If they're good projects, let's spend it and then let's have a process, which is what I think the staff is working on, recordation fees, the TIF, things like that, whatever else the staff comes up with, but a way to
  • 02:06:55
    have put monies into affordable housing every year.
  • 02:06:59
    And then when we get extra monies, we can always throw some money in there also, but have a process that sounds like this hasn't been done before.
  • 02:07:07
    Am I correct or not?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 02:07:09
    As far as I know, that's correct.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 02:07:11
    OK.
  • 02:07:12
    And we would still be able to?
  • 02:07:15
    This would incorporate our incentives for developers also?
  • 02:07:19
    It could definitely do that, yes.
  • 02:07:21
    OK, so it sounds like you guys have a little bit of work to do.
  • 02:07:25
    OK, so those are all my comments.
  • 02:07:28
    Thank you.
  • 02:07:29
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:07:29
    Any other?
  • 02:07:30
    Mr. Richardson.
• • SPEAKER_29
  • 02:07:32
    Chair Price, I know you're trying to manage this issue and move through the agenda.
  • 02:07:35
    And at the sake of being somewhat redundant, I do want to say a couple of things regarding the discussion that you've had today on affordable housing
  • 02:07:44
    Mr. Bowman will remember it's been several budgets ago that we were in 241 so it was prior to the pandemic and we were talking about really three areas that we focus on in the year-round budgeting process.
  • 02:07:58
    One is sustaining a high quality organization and that's the piece that in this organization where we've got to continue to make ongoing investments
  • 02:08:06
    in our people, in our organization, in our systems, in the processes that we do to ensure that we can transform as the community around us transforms, and it's just investing in our organization.
  • 02:08:18
    You can see that in our budget that we're doing that.
  • 02:08:20
    The other is aligning our capacity that we have, and that's both one-time capacity and that's ongoing capacity, with the board's strategic plan.
  • 02:08:29
    and you've got nine focus areas in your strategic plan.
  • 02:08:32
    You were very collaborative with us in extending this 20 through 22 strategic plan by additional year and then saying, hey, let's get back together late summer, early fall and let's see where we are with those nine strategic areas
  • 02:08:48
    that's underpinned by a quality government organization.
  • 02:08:53
    And let's see where we are with each of those areas.
  • 02:08:56
    And then along the way, between now and the late summer, early fall, you're beginning to identify things that you want to move to the top of the list for additional consideration.
  • 02:09:07
    You did that at your last board meeting when you talked about a healthy organization by ensuring that we have a healthy workforce, which means that we recruit, we retain,
  • 02:09:18
    and that we try hard to be an employer of choice.
  • 02:09:21
    You've talked about other things too today.
  • 02:09:23
    You've talked about affordable housing.
  • 02:09:25
    And so I would just suggest in closing that as we move toward the late summer and the fall that what we want to do is be responsive to this board with your strategic plan, with your capacity, with the things that you want to see, but we also want to keep an eye on our financial condition
  • 02:09:42
    our economic vitality and we cannot outrun our capacity and so the best way to do that is to keep everything in front of the board.
  • 02:09:51
    You're not going to look at all nine areas in every meeting but we will take times where we say let's take a minute and let's put it all in front of us because
  • 02:10:00
    I want the board to look at everything in tandem because we have an ambitious strategic plan and we want to be able to meet your expectations and align the capacity in the areas that you think are our greatest opportunities, our greatest needs now.
  • 02:10:15
    So that's really what I wanted to say and I appreciate Mr. Walker's comments.
  • 02:10:19
    I certainly appreciate Stacy's leadership.
  • 02:10:22
    We also have a number of department heads who are in the room today because they've been involved in this issue and so I hope those comments are timely.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:10:29
    They are, Mr. Richardson, really appreciate it because it is important that we remember the numerous things that we are all working on all the time.
  • 02:10:38
    I believe at this time it's back to you, Dr. Pethian.
  • 02:10:41
    I understand you may have some motions to present?
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 02:10:43
    I do.
  • 02:10:46
    Maybe.
  • 02:10:48
    There we go.
  • 02:10:49
    There is one in front of you if you choose to approve as staff recommends the allocation from the FY22 funds from the Housing Fund Reserve.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:11:00
    All right.
  • 02:11:00
    And just to be clear, this would be the $1,296,520?
  • 02:11:03
    That is correct.
  • 02:11:06
    All right.
  • 02:11:07
    So board, we have in front of us a motion.
  • 02:11:11
    Does the supervisor desire to make this motion or any further discussion before that?
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 02:11:17
    I'm happy to make the motion.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:11:19
    All right.
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 02:11:20
    I move the board approve the allocation of the fiscal year 2022 funds from the housing fund reserve to the projects and in the amounts recommended by staff.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:11:29
    Alright.
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 02:11:30
    Second.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:11:31
    So we have a motion by Supervisor McKeel, a second by Supervisor Mallek.
  • 02:11:36
    County Attorney Hudson, is that sufficient for what we need to, do we need to add any more specificity on that?
• • SPEAKER_09
  • 02:11:44
    I think it's sufficiently specific.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:11:46
    All right.
  • 02:11:46
    Thank you.
  • 02:11:46
    So we have a motion and a second.
  • 02:11:48
    Any further discussion?
  • 02:11:49
    Supervisor Galloway?
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 02:11:51
    As the motion's on the table, Dr. Pethea, for all the work and support and everything you've been doing to further this stuff, I really appreciate all of that effort.
  • 02:11:59
    And I want to acknowledge that as part of the motion.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:12:02
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 02:12:04
    I do have one question that I wrote in the margin of my proper thing here.
  • 02:12:09
    The $625,000 for the land trust says 12 permanently affordable new units and those would be in the county.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 02:12:15
    That is correct.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 02:12:16
    Okay.
  • 02:12:16
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:12:17
    All right.
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    Seeing no further discussion, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:12:22
    Ms.
  • 02:12:22
    Mallek?
  • 02:12:23
    Yes.
  • 02:12:23
    Ms.
  • 02:12:23
    McKeel?
  • 02:12:24
    Yes.
  • 02:12:25
    Ms.
  • 02:12:25
    Price?
  • 02:12:25
    Aye.
  • 02:12:26
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 02:12:27
    Yes.
  • 02:12:28
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 02:12:29
    Yes.
  • 02:12:29
    Ms.
  • 02:12:29
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:12:30
    Aye.
  • 02:12:31
    All right, thank you.
  • 02:12:33
    Now, we also have a recommendation that the board, or I'm sorry, Dr. Pathea, did you want to come back?
  • 02:12:40
    Oh, all right.
  • 02:12:45
    Okay, so I'm just moving seats, alright.
  • 02:12:48
    And then the other request from staff is whether the board would recommend or that the board direct staff to return in June with an appropriation request in the amount of $3.1 million from the FY21 year-end general fund balance to the housing fund to be allocated with the existing housing fund reserves as follows.
  • 02:13:14
    Piedmont Housing Alliance for the project Southwood Apartments A, the amount of $3 million.
  • 02:13:20
    and the Greater Charlottesville Habitat for Humanity, Southwood Resident Relocation and Anti-Displacement Plan Temporary Onsite Housing for the amount of $306,504 for the master leasing associated with Southwood Phase 1.
  • 02:13:39
    So, Mr. Walther.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 02:13:40
    Chair Price, we would take that as general guidance or consensus from the board unless you want to take an action.
  • 02:13:45
    I think we've heard from you.
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    We think that that is something you'll support.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:13:49
    Thank you, Mr. Walker.
  • 02:13:50
    Ms.
  • 02:13:50
    Hudson, do we need a motion?
  • 02:13:53
    It appears that there has been consensus.
  • 02:13:55
    The motion would be preferable.
  • 02:13:57
    All right, thank you.
  • 02:13:58
    So we will, I would ask if any.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 02:14:01
    Before we make the motion, I don't, why is it, can you clarify why?
  • 02:14:06
    If they're coming back with recommendations for a future action and this somehow to me taking a motion with, there's other questions I have of what's not being funded relative to these two projects?
• • SPEAKER_09
  • 02:14:20
    I thought it perhaps might be helpful for staff to have a very definitive action taken.
  • 02:14:26
    It's not critically necessary.
• • SPEAKER_10
  • 02:14:29
    I guess my recommendation would be on consensus as they have said they're going to bring this back to us, but taking some sort of motion on only these two when there's additional information needed, I wouldn't be prepared to do.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:14:44
    That appears to be the consensus of the board, so I think what we've got, Mr. Walker,
  • 02:14:49
    is that there's a consensus from the board to come back with that with the additional information that has been requested.
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    For example, the things that have been submitted for funding that are not recommended for approval.
  • 02:15:03
    Supervisor Mallek?
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 02:15:04
    One other question to add to the list, and that is that these amounts may not be written in stone.
  • 02:15:11
    I think all of us would deserve an update on whether one organization can actually use all of those LIHTC funds, for example, or whether they need less, in which case we can do
  • 02:15:21
    I think now that makes it clear.
  • 02:15:23
    And with that board, we are prepared to move to item number 12, a closed meeting.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:15:26
    Supervisor Andrews, do you have the motion?

13. 4:30 p.m. - Closed Meeting.

• • SPEAKER_22
  • 02:15:42
    Yes, I do.
  • 02:15:43
    I move that the Board go into a closed meeting pursuant to Section 2.2-3711A of the Code of Virginia under subsection 1 to discuss and consider the appointment of members to the Village of Urana Community Advisory Committee.
  • 02:15:55
    Two, to discuss and consider the performance of one member of a multi-jurisdictional public body was appointed by the Board of Supervisors.
  • 02:16:01
    And three, to discuss and consider the search for candidates for county attorney.
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    also under section 3 to discuss and consider the acquisition of real property for a public purpose where discussion and open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the county and under subsection 8 to consult with legal counsel employed by the county regarding specific legal matters involving regulatory compliance and requiring the provision of legal advice.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:16:29
    All right, we have a motion by Supervisor Andrews and a second by Supervisor McKeel.
  • 02:16:36
    The clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:16:38
    Ms.
  • 02:16:38
    Mallek?
  • 02:16:39
    Yes.
  • 02:16:39
    Ms.
  • 02:16:39
    McKeel?
  • 02:16:40
    Yes.
  • 02:16:40
    Ms.
  • 02:16:41
    Price?
  • 02:16:41
    Aye.
  • 02:16:42
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 02:16:43
    Yes.
  • 02:16:43
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 02:16:44
    Yes.
  • 02:16:45
    Ms.
  • 02:16:45
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 02:16:46
    Aye.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:16:48
    Thank you board.

14. Certify Closed Meeting.

• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:17:07
    Good evening everyone and welcome to the evening session for our board meeting today.
  • 02:17:14
    Just a moment please.
  • 02:17:19
    Do we have a motion?
  • 02:17:21
    to certify our closed meeting.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 02:17:23
    Yes we do.
  • 02:17:24
    Thank you.
  • 02:17:26
    I move that the Board of Supervisors certify by a recorded vote that, to the best of each supervisor's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and identified in the motion authorizing the closed meeting were heard, discussed, or considered in the closed meeting.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:17:42
    All right, thank you.
  • 02:17:44
    Second.
  • 02:17:44
    All right, we have a motion by Supervisor Andrews and a second by Supervisor McKeel.
  • 02:17:50
    If the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:17:52
    Ms.
  • 02:17:52
    Mallek?
  • 02:17:52
    Yes.
  • 02:17:53
    Ms.
  • 02:17:53
    McKeel?
  • 02:17:54
    Yes.
  • 02:17:55
    Ms.
  • 02:17:55
    Price?
  • 02:17:56
    Aye.
  • 02:17:57
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 02:17:58
    Yes.
  • 02:17:58
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 02:17:59
    Yes.
  • 02:18:00
    Ms.
  • 02:18:00
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:18:01
    Aye.
  • 02:18:01
    All right, thank you.
  • 02:18:02
    Do we have any motions coming out of the closed session?
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 02:18:06
    Yes, we do.
  • 02:18:07
    I move that the board authorize the chair to notify its appointee to a multi-jurisdictional body of the termination of that appointment.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:18:16
    Thank you.
  • 02:18:17
    We have a motion.
  • 02:18:18
    Do we have a second?
  • 02:18:18
    Second.
  • 02:18:19
    We have a motion and a second.
  • 02:18:21
    Any discussion?
  • 02:18:23
    Seeing none, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:18:26
    Ms.
  • 02:18:26
    Mallek?
  • 02:18:27
    Yes.
  • 02:18:27
    Ms.
  • 02:18:28
    McKeel?
  • 02:18:28
    Yes.
  • 02:18:29
    Ms.
  • 02:18:29
    Price?
  • 02:18:30
    Aye.
  • 02:18:30
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 02:18:31
    Yes.
  • 02:18:32
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 02:18:33
    Yes.
  • 02:18:33
    Ms.
  • 02:18:33
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:18:35
    Aye.
  • 02:18:35
    Thank you.

15. From the County Executive: Report on Matters Not Listed on the Agenda.

• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:18:36
    All right, board, that moves us to item number 14 from the county executive.
  • 02:18:42
    Mr. Richardson?
• • SPEAKER_29
  • 02:18:48
    Thank you, Chair Price, and thank you, members of our board.
  • 02:18:51
    Ms.
  • 02:18:51
    Kilroy, thank you for helping put the
  • 02:18:55
    Report up in front of our public tonight and for the staff and public.
  • 02:18:59
    This is the county executive's report for April of 2022.
  • 02:19:03
    Board, this is now our second meeting back in Lane Auditorium.
  • 02:19:06
    Last week, I'm happy to report that the Planning Commission and the school board had successful in-person hybrid meetings.
  • 02:19:13
    Each group experienced minor hiccups, and we're addressing those, and we look forward to having a work session with this board next month
  • 02:19:22
    and bring back the next tier of public meetings.
  • 02:19:25
    And so that would be one of the things that we can plan for next month is to talk about the next tier of public meetings.
  • 02:19:33
    You have a picture in front of you from 5th Street, the county office building, and I would like to start by offering a sincere thank you to the Albemarle County Police Foundation,
  • 02:19:43
    and the Perry Foundation for their support of a major upgrade to our fitness facility at our Cobb 5th Street location.
  • 02:19:53
    This is an employee fitness center and because of the location, this is what is used most frequently by our police department.
  • 02:20:00
    but it is open to all county employees.
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    Both foundations provided generous support to upgrade the equipment, the aesthetics of the space.
  • 02:20:10
    They work with staff to ensure that it had the right type of equipment to meet the staff's needs.
  • 02:20:16
    Physical fitness is not just about staying in shape but it's the overall well-being of our staff.
  • 02:20:21
    The convenience of this fitness center to where our people work and I would remind our public and our board that many of our staff
  • 02:20:29
    in the Fifth Street location.
  • 02:20:30
    They work shifts where they're there on the weekends, they're there at night.
  • 02:20:35
    They have very long hours and so the fitness center can work very handily to meet the staff's needs.
  • 02:20:40
    So again, thank you to these foundations.
  • 02:20:45
    Several comments today about the window replacement project for this building.
  • 02:20:49
    This window replacement project at the McIntire office building is now well underway to replace the windows that were installed when the county purchased the building in the late 1970s.
  • 02:21:00
    This project will run through July
  • 02:21:03
    and it's managed by our facilities and environmental services department.
  • 02:21:07
    The windows have a number of features that will make them much more efficient than our current windows.
  • 02:21:12
    The new windows will have a U factor of 0.29, a solar heat gain coefficient of 0.25, and a low E coding that minimizes the UV light.
  • 02:21:24
    We're excited about this project.
  • 02:21:26
    It's a nice return on investment and with our climate action plan, the investment we make to make this building more energy efficient.
  • 02:21:33
    It just makes sense.
  • 02:21:36
    This board is aware because you've participated in Child Abuse Prevention Month.
  • 02:21:41
    April is Child Abuse Prevention Month and our staff have participated in events.
  • 02:21:45
    So the board members, these events have occurred at the Free Speech wall downtown.
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    Planning pinwheels in our office buildings and doing other awareness events with our local partners to increase awareness of the dangers of child abuse and the resources available in our community to children and families in need.
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    The pinwheel reminds us that the kids in our community should have a childhood that is carefree and joyous.
  • 02:22:14
    The next slide is celebrating our Western Park playground.
  • 02:22:18
    Western Park playground is now open to the public.
  • 02:22:21
    This is the first of an initial phase for Western Park to build a playground and some initial natural trails.
  • 02:22:28
    It has been a very popular addition.
  • 02:22:33
    I'm going to stop board at this moment, and I'm going to ask our own Trevor Henry to speak to the next slide, which is talking about our Parks and Recreation Department's efforts to get our pools open this summer.
  • 02:22:46
    So Trevor?
• • SPEAKER_21
  • 02:22:47
    Thanks, Mr. Richardson.
  • 02:22:48
    Trevor Henry, Assistant County Executive
  • 02:22:50
    from the corner, Chair Price, members of the board.
  • 02:22:53
    Just a quick update on this.
  • 02:22:54
    We have been aggressively recruiting for our parks and recreational needs since mid-March.
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    It includes ticket takers, maintenance staff, and lifeguards.
  • 02:23:08
    Lifeguards
  • 02:23:10
    as a resource have been problematic in pre-pandemic and similar to last year we're struggling with that hiring.
  • 02:23:19
    What's in front of you is we are offering $15 an hour and reimbursement for certifications.
  • 02:23:26
    We need at least 21 lifeguards on staff in order to open up the three swim parks in a reduced state.
  • 02:23:32
    Right now we have 15.
  • 02:23:35
    We have been aggressive in media three times daily on multiple radio stations since mid-March.
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    We've been on social media, have attended two job fairs, one being last week at PVCC, communicating with all the area's swim coaches.
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    and we have set up tables in the high school.
  • 02:23:57
    I just wanted to alert the board that we will continue to push this.
  • 02:24:00
    Our own Joe Clark will be on NBC 29 News Community Outreach in an upcoming segment talking about summer employment.
  • 02:24:09
    but I will likely be in front of you sometime in the May timeframe to give an update on where we are as it relates to our ability to open up, you know, kind of to full pre-pandemic or, you know, we may be resource constrained opening up on a limited basis similar to what we did last year.
  • 02:24:28
    So I just wanted to give you kind of a, you know, an early warning on that.
  • 02:24:31
    We're aggressive in our recruitment but we're still, we're behind the power curve
  • 02:24:38
    And I will say in our communications with the city, the city is also struggling in filling their lifeguard needs.
  • 02:24:46
    Thank you, Mr. Richardson.
• • SPEAKER_29
  • 02:24:49
    Yes, sir.
  • 02:24:50
    Our next slide really is meant to give the board and our community an update with our standing up of our dedicated local government human resources function.
  • 02:25:00
    Our human resources department has really come alive over the past several weeks.
  • 02:25:04
    The slide you have before you are the staff that have been hired and onboarded.
  • 02:25:09
    Our Director of Human Resources Mia Coltrane has been onboarding 13 new staff.
  • 02:25:15
    Two more positions are under recruitment in order to bring our first local government HR department into full staff operations.
  • 02:25:23
    This was a budget initiative in the current fiscal year.
  • 02:25:26
    And we are already providing excellent support for our organization in some key areas, especially in recruitment and systems, as we begin the Human Resources Information System project.
  • 02:25:36
    And I'll just note for the board, if you've not been to the location of the Human Resources Department, it is located at the Fifth Street County Office Building.
  • 02:25:44
    We did that on purpose.
  • 02:25:45
    We're very excited that we provided
  • 02:25:47
    the dedicated HR function out of that building.
  • 02:25:49
    Now those folks do come to this building and they are accessible in this building to our staff and they do keep hours in an effort to go back and forth and to be available for our county employees.
  • 02:26:01
    But it's really nice dedicated space and I know that Ms.
  • 02:26:05
    Coltrane has mentioned that she'd like to have a more formal gathering there sometime in the near future and certainly when we do that we will make sure to invite the Board of Supervisors.
  • 02:26:15
    The names that are on here are just the folks that have been hired and what their specific areas of expertise are.
  • 02:26:22
    The next slide I'd like to talk about is the spring community read, We Are Displaced.
  • 02:26:27
    is the Spring Community Read and we're hosting a panel discussion on April the 28th at 6 o'clock online.
  • 02:26:33
    The panel will include stories from local women in their own words about their experience as a refugee and the resettling here in our community.
  • 02:26:41
    We partnered with Jefferson Madison Regional Library to highlight books that focus on inclusive storytelling.
  • 02:26:48
    Different books will be selected throughout the year to read and discuss together to uplift the stories of groups
  • 02:26:54
    within our population that often get left out of the main narrative that we tell about our place.
  • 02:27:00
    The books are available to borrow through the county's little free libraries as well as throughout the branches of the regional library system.
  • 02:27:10
    We're nearing the end of the high season for wildfires in Virginia.
  • 02:27:14
    This year has been about an average year in terms of the number of brush fires and forest fires.
  • 02:27:18
    The largest event in Albemarle County this year thus far has been the forest fire at Round Top Trail, which is believed to have been a naturally occurring fire likely due to lightning.
  • 02:27:28
    Between February 15th and April 30th, open-air burns are not permitted in Virginia before 4 p.m.
  • 02:27:34
    due to a combination of risk factors, humidity, winds, and the volume of dry natural material.
  • 02:27:40
    If you're burning during this season or at any time, always have a plan for if the fire were to be out of control and be sure to fully extinguish all cigarettes and other smoking materials before you dispose of them.
  • 02:27:54
    On Friday, Recruit School 20 completed a week of live fire trainings which simulate live burn incidents at our training center.
  • 02:28:03
    These scenarios give our recruits experience with actual fires as well as opportunities to practice real-time decision-making.
  • 02:28:10
    These exercises include hose deployment, containment, extinguishment, and simulated rescues.
  • 02:28:17
    Congratulations, recruits, on completing a very, very difficult week of training.
  • 02:28:22
    And board, if you've ever been a part of this before, and I believe some of you actually had an opportunity to be there, and you've probably been in some of the other ones, this is real live scenario training.
  • 02:28:33
    And this could save lives, both of firefighters and of citizens and community members.
  • 02:28:37
    So this is excellent work.
  • 02:28:39
    that our fire department is doing.
  • 02:28:42
    Last month, the police department began deploying body-worn cameras for officers in the field.
  • 02:28:48
    Over 100 cameras will be in service.
  • 02:28:51
    The devices are worn on the uniform and in sync with the dash cameras to provide a recording of law enforcement activity that we believe enhances transparency for everyone in our community.
  • 02:29:03
    The slide shows
  • 02:29:04
    to images from our media demonstration day last week.
  • 02:29:08
    Very successful by the way.
  • 02:29:09
    I'd like to thank our local media because I think we got some excellent coverage last week for the rollout of body-worn cameras.
  • 02:29:17
    Had a lot of comments from our community and again a sincere thank you to our local media.
  • 02:29:22
    The image at the top of the dash footage and the image at the bottom is the body worn camera footage.
  • 02:29:27
    Deploying the cameras was a big project led by our police department with the support of our information technology department.
  • 02:29:34
    Oftentimes our IT department gets overlooked, but they're critical to the success of this program.
  • 02:29:40
    I'd like to thank our entire staff for an excellent roll out.
  • 02:29:43
    And finally board, let's talk Albemarle.
  • 02:29:48
    This month we reached the 1000th listen
  • 02:29:51
    to the Let's Talk Albemarle podcast.
  • 02:29:54
    This was launched in 2021 as a way to share long form stories and information to reach different audience than otherwise would not be able to reach through communication channels.
  • 02:30:04
    Recent episodes have covered the fiscal year 23 budget on an audio only version of Meet the Chief event with Colonel Reeves.
  • 02:30:12
    Let's Talk Albemarle is hosted by our public engagement coordinator, Serena Gruya.
  • 02:30:17
    subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
  • 02:30:20
    Very interesting work and it's so handy to listen to podcasts when you're exercising, working in the yard or just you're active and you can listen to what's going on in our community.
  • 02:30:30
    Chair Price, that is the report for this month.
  • 02:30:33
    Certainly if there are questions from the board, happy to try to answer that.
  • 02:30:38
    But thank you as always.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:30:39
    Thank you, Mr. Richardson.
  • 02:30:40
    We'll go through our order.
  • 02:30:41
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley.
• • SPEAKER_16
  • 02:30:44
    Thank you very much, Mr. Richardson, for such an outstanding overview of what we're doing and what we continue to do.
  • 02:30:54
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:30:55
    Thank you.
  • 02:30:55
    Supervisor Galloway?
  • 02:30:57
    Yes, thank you for the report.
  • 02:30:58
    No questions at this time.
  • 02:30:59
    Thank you.
  • 02:31:00
    Supervisor Andrews?
  • 02:31:01
    Thank you for the report.
  • 02:31:02
    No questions.
  • 02:31:03
    Thank you.
  • 02:31:04
    Supervisor McKeel?
• • SPEAKER_11
  • 02:31:06
    Thank you, Jeff.
  • 02:31:07
    It was a great report.
  • 02:31:09
    As always, our staff has really been busy working with our community on our behalf.
  • 02:31:14
    I just want to make a comment that as the previous liaison to the police department, CAC,
  • 02:31:24
    I followed the work around the body cameras for several years and I just want to thank our staff and our police department for the really thoughtful way that they approach body cameras because it's not just an initiative you can flip the switch and have it work properly or be prepared for.
  • 02:31:49
    and it means people to look at Foyas, it means people, it just requires a lot of planning and work and I just want to thank the police department for that thoughtful work.
  • 02:31:59
    I'm looking around to see if I see, there we go.
  • 02:32:03
    But it was, it's been well thought out and I know our community is pleased to have the program now, but thanks for the good work.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:32:12
    Thank you.
  • 02:32:13
    Supervisor Mallek.
• • SPEAKER_15
  • 02:32:15
    I would agree with the careful planning for the bodyboard cameras and also I am loving reading the book by Malala and my granddaughters have been fighting me for it at the kitchen table so we will all be taking care of it before we take it back to Chris Green Lake where we got it.
  • 02:32:29
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:32:29
    Thank you and I also extend my appreciation Mr. Richardson and Mr. Henry
  • 02:32:34
    And I know the lifeguard situation is a real challenge now because the last few years without any public gatherings, it's been difficult for people to maintain their certifications among other things.
  • 02:32:47
    So I know that you and your staff have been working really hard to bring better things to the county and thank you all for what you've done.

16. From the Public: Matters Not Listed for Public Hearing on the Agenda or on Matters Previously Considered by the Board or Matters that are Pending Before the Board.

• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:32:55
    All right board, at this time we'll move to item number 15 from the public.
  • 02:32:59
    Matters not listed for public hearing on the agenda or matters previously considered by the board or matters that are pending before the board.
  • 02:33:06
    I'll turn it over to Vice Chair LaPisto-Kirtley to read the procedural rules.
• • SPEAKER_16
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• • SPEAKER_19
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    Our first speaker is Tom Olivier.
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    Hi, good evening.
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    My name is Tom Olivier and I live in the Samuel Miller district.
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    I've come this evening to speak about our now being updated comprehensive plan and the need to build the plan on a fresh vision for the future of our county.
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    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and other scientific bodies have warned that we must transform modern societies in the next 20 years to avoid the worst consequences of climate change.
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    Climate change, of course, is just one consequence of humanity's expanding, prolonged mistreatment of the natural world.
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    A guiding principle in the now required transformation of modern societies must be movement toward ecological sustainability, recognizing and living within the limits of a finite planet.
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    Accomplishing the necessary transformations will require a broad reimagining of our future and what we value within it.
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    In short, more than ever, the new county comprehensive plan must begin with and be guided by a robust vision that addresses the challenges of our disturbed times.
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    An ad hoc group of county and city residents recently developed and submitted to the city and county a vision for these troubled times.
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    I've provided the clerk with additional copies.
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    You should have received them electronically already.
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    Those of us who developed a vision ask that you urge staff in planning to consider incorporating our vision into the new comprehensive plan.
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    If we will not now, in this critical moment,
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    Imagine a future in which we respect and live within the planet's limits will we ever.
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    Thank you.
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    Thank you.
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    Our next speaker, Mason Pickett.
• • SPEAKER_23
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    Well, it's interesting to hear how little people understand about climate change.
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    Climate change is just not made by man.
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    Climate change comes from nature.
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    An example would be in Death Valley, a place called The Basin.
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    It used to be a big lake, eight miles long.
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    Thousands of years ago, it dried up.
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    Scientists will tell you it dried up because of natural causes.
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    No cars were around.
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    No power plants were around.
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    Natural causes.
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    But that wasn't why I came to speak.
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    Taxes.
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    Houses, vehicles, personal property.
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    You find it necessary to give a big relief to personal property, but none to houses.
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    Well, let's look at who these people are.
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    Maybe they're doing pretty well.
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    Maybe she has a Mercedes.
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    Maybe he has a big vehicle.
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    Maybe the kids each have a vehicle.
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    Maybe they have a boat.
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    Maybe they have a jet ski.
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    If they live in Northern Virginia, it's a chance to have a plane.
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    But this isn't Northern Virginia.
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    Now on the other side, houses.
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    Family may have a 200, 300,000 other house.
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    She may have an eight-year-old car.
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    He may have a 15-year-old car.
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    And they're getting no relief.
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    You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    OK, our next speaker, Margaret Walker.
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    Hello Board of Supervisors, I'm Margaret Walker, I live in Congregation District 5 in Albemarle County and I'm also a member of the Green Grannies of Charlottesville and I am speaking in support of a yes vote to a tax on plastic bags.
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    Aren't you all, aren't we all sick of plastic?
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    Attacks on plastic bags and Wegmans already plans to charge for plastic and paper bags starting this fall.
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    I think they're charging five cents and we think it should be a dollar.
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    But anyways, for a cleaner and healthier environment, stop pollution from plastic.
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    And I'm giving you an earworm, I hope.
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    So I hope you always remember that when you go shopping.
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    A tisket, a tasket, bring your own bag or basket.
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    And here it is.
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    It's very easy.
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    Just bring them and vote yes to tax on plastic, please.
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    Thank you.
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    Thank you.
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    All right.
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    And I'll turn it over to the clerk for any online speakers.
• • SPEAKER_13
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    We do not have any online speakers.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    I misunderstood.
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    I thought we did have one.
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    My apologies.
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    All right.

17. Public Hearing to Consider a Stillhouse Ridge Rural Preservation Boundary Line Adjustment. To receive public comment on a proposed boundary line adjustment to correct the location of an open space land use easement across Tax Parcel ID 85-29A9, known as the Stillhouse Ridge Rural Preservation Tract.

Deed to County & PRFAStillhouse Ridge RPDACEA Approval MotionDeed of Boundary Line AdjustmentResolution
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Board, at this time, we will move to item number 16, public hearing to consider a Stillhouse Ridge rural preservation boundary line adjustment.
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    Mr. Deloria, good evening.
• • SPEAKER_06
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    Good evening, board.
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    Let's see.
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    Pull this up.
• • SPEAKER_17
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    All right, that looks good.
• • SPEAKER_06
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    Madam Chair, Madam Vice Chair, Supervisors.
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    A little closer.
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    Good evening.
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    May it please the board.
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    I'm Richard Deloria, and I am with the County Attorney's Office.
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    and I'm here today asking the board to consider and to approve a boundary line adjustment to correct an encroachment and what we believe to be an error in a preservation tract in a county subdivision.
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    The reason that the board needs to be involved in this is because the board and the Albemarle Conservation Easement Authority, they have an interest in the preservation tract and in order for the board to convey or to dispose of that interest in some fashion, we need to have a public hearing.
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    So what we're dealing with is we're dealing with the Stillhouse Ridge subdivision.
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    It is a 10 parcel subdivision in the Batesville area of Albemarle County.
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    It was created in 2005.
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    Nine parcels are anywhere from two acres to five acres.
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    The 10th parcel, the one that we're concerned about this evening, is the preservation tract.
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    It is 40.134 acres.
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    This is a picture over from our GIS system of the subdivision.
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    You can see towards the bottom where the red circle is.
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    The parcel to the north or on the north part of that circle is the preservation track that we're talking about.
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    The lot below that, and I'll refer to that as the Chrysler parcel, it is not part of the subdivision.
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    The county and the Conservation Easement Authority only have an interest in the preservation tract.
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    This is just kind of background on the rural preservation development.
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    It's a creature of county code.
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    It was intended to more efficiently create subdivisions so that they preserved land more efficiently.
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    They allow up to 20 smaller acreage lots as long as there's at least one 40-acre preservation tract.
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    In this case, we don't have 20 parcels.
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    We have nine parcels with one 40-plus acre preservation tract.
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    In terms of the division, when it's created, the preservation tract, it endures to the benefit of the county and the conservation easement authority.
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    So those two bodies, they hold interest in the preservation tract, which is actually an open space easement.
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    And that's what our ordinance is.
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    They require that when you create the preservation tract,
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    they're going to become open space easements or also known as conservation easements.
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    They're subject to Virginia's Open Space Land Act.
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    They have to be perpetual.
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    And if you want to take property, if you want to remove or divert or convert any property in that tract, it's very difficult.
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    And that's the purpose of the perpetuality element of it.
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    If you do divert any property from it,
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    You have to substitute either more or greater value property.
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    And I'll just tell you in summary, that's what we're doing right here, but we're doing it by a different mechanism.
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    Right here is a survey and it's a 2005 survey that was submitted to the county and developed when they were doing the subdivision.
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    As you can see in the yellow highlighted area,
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    There is a house that was built around 1950.
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    It is on the Chrisler property.
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    The line going through when you go kind of to the northeast right there, and I should be able to have them.
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    So as you get up in this area right here, that's the preservation track that we're talking about.
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    What you can see, and I have a greater detail right here, you can see the encroachment
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    that was discovered in 2005 when they were creating this subdivision.
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    So there's just a little corner of the house that was there in 1950, and then there's a drive that goes out to, oh, that test, I don't know which road it goes out to, but it goes out.
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    It might be Miller School Road, but I'm not 100% certain on that.
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    So just recently, so the Daniel family bought the preservation tract from Jesse Hayden
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    in 2021.
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    His purpose was to put his family house on that property, which is appropriate.
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    He has a right to do that.
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    The problem that arose is in terms of getting finance to build his dream house.
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    To get the financing to do that, they're not real comfortable with the encroachment on the property, so it puts a little bit of a cloud on the title.
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    and this is his effort to clear that up.
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    What he has done is he says, look, we only need to give Chrisler 0.15 acres out of our preservation tract and Chrisler is going to give us an equal amount.
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    And as you'll see, it's actually, I think, a better exchange for the county and the Conservation Easement Authority.
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    And so this is what Mr. Daniel is proposing.
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    and has proposed to the Conservation Easement Authority.
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    You can see to the left, right here, that Chrysler would get that 0.15 acres.
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    And then over here, the preservation tract would get this 0.15 acres.
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    And of course, that inures to the benefit of both the county and the Conservation Easement Authority.
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    And what I can say, I don't have a good picture of this, at least I don't, that first picture would have it,
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    Of course here, you have a house and you have a drive.
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    When you get over here, you just have trees and a hill.
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    So it's actually a better deal for the county and the conservation easement, in my opinion.
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    So when we brought this to the Conservation Easement Authority, the notion was that we would go with this exchange.
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    The problem is that Virginia Code Section 10.1, 1704 has some pretty onerous burdens in making that exchange.
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    And so the Conservation Easement Authority wasn't real comfortable in pursuing that type of analysis.
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    What they suggested was, hey look, can we do this by deed of correction?
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    Was there an error?
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    and it appeared pretty obvious that when in 2005 when you got that survey with the encroachment that the first question comes up is someone, we should have fixed this.
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    It should have been done but unfortunately it just wasn't done.
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    So we walked away from the Conservation Easement Authority and my question was I can easily conclude that it should have been done but I don't know what happened in terms of was there an error, was there an oversight.
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    It might have been that the planning commission and everyone just said, no big deal.
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    We recognize it and we're not going to do anything.
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    It turns out that wasn't the case.
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    And so we were able, Mr. Cox, Jim Cox is here, represents Mr. Daniel.
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    He was able to help out and reach out to some realtors who were able to get us in contact with Jesse Hayden and he sent this email.
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    indicating that he did, in fact, when the subdivision was going through, he reached out to Mr. Chrisler and indicated, you can see the email, that, hey, look, this is a problem, probably should be fixed.
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    And then he also indicated that he had a mistaken impression as to what the boundary line was, that there was a creek that runs by that driveway.
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    And he says, well, over time, I thought that was the boundary.
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    And it's completely understandable why he would do that.
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    However, I will report to you that in looking at all the county records, looking at the county attorney records, we have found nothing that even mentions that encroachment.
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    So again, that supports my view that it was an oversight.
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    It should have been taken care of.
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    It wasn't.
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    Just no one addressed it.
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    Mr. Hayden was the only one who made any effort to address it.
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    I did reach out to Mr. Hayden's attorney.
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    who has since retired and I was not able to get any information from that attorney.
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    So that's just kind of a dead end right there.
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    So what this shows right here is interesting and it supports Mr. Hayden and it also supports my conclusion that a deed of correction would be appropriate and warranted under the circumstances.
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    That red line is on the preservation tract.
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    and you can see how that creek, and I don't know if it's intermittent or if it's permanent or perennial, but you can see how close it comes to the driveway right there and understandable why over the years.
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    And this property has been in the Hayden family for probably well over 100 years.
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    Anyway, you can understand why they would think that was the boundary.
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    Other reasons to think that was the boundary,
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    is this was a 1952 survey brought by Curtis Hayden.
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    And what you'll see in these surveys is that there's nothing that shows the house encroaching.
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    Well, there's nothing that shows where the house is, but that's 1952.
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    Curtis Hayden did a subdivision that was subsequently abandoned, but that's the same one in 1979.
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    Again, it doesn't document the encroachment.
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    1991, same thing, no documentation of the encroachment.
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    So again, that supports the notion that Mr. Hayden knew there was a problem, but through the whole process, it was just overlooked and it was a mistake.
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    So at the end of the day, December of 2021, the Conservation Easement Authority approved a motion allowing their chair to sign a deed of correction or anything that adjusts the boundary line and solves this.
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    And that brings us to a suggested motion for this board
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    that there is a resolution in the packet.
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    Mr. Cox has drafted a deed of boundary agreement and deed of correction that's in the packet.
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    And so the suggested motion is that the board adopt the resolution and allow Mr. Richardson to also execute it along with Jay Fennell of the Conservation Easement Authority.
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    I will report that Scott Cox, who was the staff who was assigned to this,
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    He supports the boundary line adjustment and he supports the correction.
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    And so with that I will step back.
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    I will take any questions.
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    I will report to Mr. Daniel.
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    I understand maybe on the line.
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    I don't know for sure.
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    They don't necessarily want to make a presentation.
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    Jim would confirm that they'll answer questions if the board has any, and I was limited to 10 minutes.
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    I swore to Claudette I'd be done in 10 minutes, so I'm going to step away and entertain questions.
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    All right.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you, Mr. Deloria.
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    Don't go far away in case there are questions.
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    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_16
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    Very good presentation.
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    I see no reason not to support it.
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    Thank you very much.
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    I have no questions.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you.
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    Supervisor Galloway?
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    Yes, thank you.
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    No questions.
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    Thank you.
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    Supervisor Andrews?
• • SPEAKER_22
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    Thank you, no questions.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you, Supervisor McKeel.
• • SPEAKER_11
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    You did such a great job.
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    We don't have any questions.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you, Supervisor Mallek.
• • SPEAKER_15
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    No questions, but I love the old surveys where it goes to the stump because I have loads in my farm too.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:54:34
    And I also have no questions, so we will open the public hearing.
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    Do we have anyone signed up in person?
• • SPEAKER_13
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    We do not, but we do have the landowner available and I believe he would like to make some comments.
• • SPEAKER_19
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    Alright, well I think just to ensure that we do it properly, I'll ask the Vice Chair to read the public hearing rules for online.
• • SPEAKER_16
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    The green light will go – that's in person.
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    No, that's not correct.
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    Online.
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    Excuse me.
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• • SPEAKER_19
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    Thank you.
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    And is Mr. Daniel on?
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    It appears Mr. Daniel is.
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    Mr. Daniel, good evening.
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    You are welcome, but not required to make any presentation.
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    You're also welcome to be available if there are any questions.
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    So I will turn the floor over to you.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 02:57:09
    Thank you, and I promise to be brief.
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    Honorable supervisors, Albemarle County staff, members of the public, thank you for the opportunity to provide brief comments today.
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    As Mr. Deloria outlined very well, and I'll skip over my prepared remarks very quickly, we purchased this property in May of 2021.
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    We currently live in Sacramento, California, but I grew up in Dumfries, Virginia.
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    My wife's from Bristol.
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    We met at the university, and Virginia is our home, so we're hoping to come back.
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    During the title search prior to closing the purchase, we were made aware of this encroachment, as was just outlined to you.
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    And as you just heard, we work very closely with the neighbor to remedy this situation.
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    I serve three terms on the board of directors of the Blue Ridge Parkway Foundation, and my wife and I have recently completed the Virginia Tech Forestry for Landowners program.
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    I'd mention all that because I want you to know we have a profound respect for easements, and I can assure you that we're going to be good stewards of this land, and by clearing up this resolution, which is in the best interest of
  • 02:58:08
    Really the county, the neighbor, and us as landowners, we're gonna be moving forward with building our home and being better caretakers, obviously by being present on the land.
  • 02:58:20
    I'd especially like to thank Scott Clark, Mr. Deloria, and other county staff members who have assisted us in presenting the solution.
  • 02:58:27
    And thank you in advance for your consideration of this matter.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:58:30
    Thank you, Mr. Daniel.
  • 02:58:31
    If you'll just please hang around in case we have any questions.
  • 02:58:34
    Board, we'll go through our order.
  • 02:58:36
    Supervisor LaPisto-Kirtley?
  • 02:58:38
    No questions.
  • 02:58:39
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:39
    Supervisor Galloway?
  • 02:58:40
    No questions.
  • 02:58:41
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:41
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:42
    Supervisor Andrews?
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 02:58:43
    No questions.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:58:44
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:45
    Supervisor McKeel?
  • 02:58:46
    No questions.
  • 02:58:47
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:47
    Supervisor Mallek?
  • 02:58:48
    No questions.
  • 02:58:49
    Thank you.
  • 02:58:50
    And I have no questions.
  • 02:58:51
    I did live in Dumfries twice when I was stationed in Northern Virginia in the Navy.
  • 02:58:56
    And I'm confirming with the clerk we have no one signed up.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:58:59
    That is correct.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:59:00
    Alright, thank you.
  • 02:59:01
    I will close the public hearing and the matter is back before the board for any questions, comments, or a motion.
• • SPEAKER_22
  • 02:59:11
    I would like to make the motion to the Board of Supervisors to adopt the resolution identified as attachment E, which authorizes the county executive to execute the deed of boundary adjustment agreement and corrected deed of easement once the county attorney approves it as before.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:59:26
    Alright, so we have a motion from Supervisor Andrews.
  • 02:59:30
    I believe I heard Supervisor Mallek make the second.
  • 02:59:33
    Any further discussion?
  • 02:59:35
    Seeing none, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_13
  • 02:59:38
    Ms.
  • 02:59:38
    Mallek?
  • 02:59:39
    Yes.
  • 02:59:40
    Ms.
  • 02:59:40
    McKeel?
  • 02:59:41
    Yes.
  • 02:59:42
    Ms.
  • 02:59:42
    Price?
  • 02:59:43
    Aye.
  • 02:59:43
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 02:59:44
    Yes.
  • 02:59:45
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 02:59:46
    Yes.
  • 02:59:46
    Ms.
  • 02:59:46
    LaPisto-Kirtley?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:59:48
    Aye.
  • 02:59:48
    Alright, thank you Mr. Deloria and Mr. Daniel for your persuasive presentations.
• • SPEAKER_06
  • 02:59:54
    Thank the board.
  • 02:59:54
    You have a good evening.
  • 02:59:55
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 02:59:56
    All right board, that moves us to item number 17.