Central Virginia
Albemarle County
Board of Supervisors Budget Work Session 3/1/2018
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Board of Supervisors Budget Work Session
3/1/2018
Attachments
Agenda.pdf
Minutes.pdf
Actions.pdf
1. Call to Order.
2. Work Session: FY 2018-2019 Operating and Capital Budgets.
Schools Presentation.pdf
Local Government Presentation.pdf
3. From the Board: Committee Reports and Matters Not Listed on the Agenda.
4. From the County Executive: Report on Matters Not Listed on the Agenda.
5. Closed Meeting. (if needed)
6. Certify Closed Meeting.
7. Adjourn to March 5, 2018, 3:00 p.m., Room 241.
1. Call to Order.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Welcome everyone to the Board of Supervisors work session, March 1st, 2018.
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Our phones are turned off.
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We will introduce ourselves around the table to do a mic check.
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Our officer today is Lieutenant Terry Walz.
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Terry, thank you for being here with us again.
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Ned, would you begin, please?
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Ned Gallaway, Rio District.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Liz Palmer, Samuel Miller District.
SPEAKER_07
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Norman Dill, Rivanna District.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Ann Mallek, White Hall.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Diantha McKeel, Jack Jouett.
Kate Acuff
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Rick Randolph, Scottsville District, Greg Kamptner, County Attorney, Bill Lageri, Deputy County Executive, Jeff Richardson, County Executive, Kate Acuff, Albemarle County School Board, Jack Jouett, John O. Alcaro, School Board at Large,
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Did everyone pass?
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Bill seemed a little quiet to me as he went by, so you and I are going to have to do a better job today.
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So thank you all very much.
2. Work Session: FY 2018-2019 Operating and Capital Budgets.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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We will begin with a presentation of our school board budget, and who's going to lead off today?
Kate Acuff
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Kate?
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I will intro.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
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Thank you.
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Kate Acuff, chair of the board.
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Thank you.
Kate Acuff
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Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the board.
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On behalf of the Albemarle County School Board, I'm here with our Vice Chair, Jono Elcaro, to present our 2018-19 funding request.
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I'd like to acknowledge our strong partnership with the county and the joint responsibility we have
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in improving our community's quality of life and economic vitality.
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The school board embraces the county's vision of providing exceptional educational opportunity for the present and future generations.
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This school board funding request, which focuses on educational equity and opportunity, exemplifies that vision and will help move Albemarle forward.
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Before I go any further, I'd like to thank Jennifer Butler for putting together this presentation, and she's going to be masterminding the slides since neither John or I were able to talk and do the slides at the same time.
Jonno Alcaro
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Thank you.
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My name is Jono Alcara.
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I'm the vice chair of the school board.
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And I would like to thank all the members of the board of supervisors for inviting us to be here today, also to the county executive, and to our school board members, one of whom, Graham Page, is here.
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We've gone through the superintendent's funding request, made some tweaks to it, got it passed and in your hands.
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I also want to thank the people on our end who put the whole presentation together, who put the whole budget together.
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We have some incredible people and I can't get through all the names but I too want to thank Jennifer Butler for putting this together and for resisting the urge to maim the two of us as we were making suggestions and one of her versions was sent to us at 1.15 in the morning.
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So we thank you very, very much.
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I'd like to take this opportunity to brief you and update you briefly on the state of our school division.
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As you'll see up on this slide, we're serving nearly 14,000 pre-K through 12 students with a staff of 1,257 teachers and 1,218 other division employees.
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Our teachers have an average of 14 years of teaching experience and 63% of them have advanced degrees.
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Our student body has very diverse needs.
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For example, in the current year, 10% of our students are English learners, 30% are eligible for free and reduced-price meals, almost 12% are served by special education, and just under 10% are identified as gifted.
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We're culturally diverse as well, and this is one of the highlights of this community and of the school system for me.
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Our students were born in 89 countries and speak 74 languages at home.
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Each day, our school cafeteria served more than 8,000 meals, and our buses travel over 14,500 miles per day.
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and last school year our Families in Crisis program served approximately 475 homeless children, 300 of which were students in our school system and 175 were their siblings.
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We are a high performing school division and the niche 2018 K through 12 rankings agreed.
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Our school division also earned an overall grade of A plus from the niche ranking group based on our academic performance, the quality of our teachers, the college readiness of our students, our athletic programming, our resources and facilities, and several other factors.
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Albemarle County Public Schools moved up and ranked at the third best school division in Virginia and is among the top 2.5% of school divisions in the nation.
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Our amazing teachers placed us in the top 3.1% of school divisions in Virginia and within the top 6.5% of school divisions across the country.
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So how we compare, I'll let you read these figures.
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Overall, our students consistently outperform their peers across the state and across the nation.
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and while we're very proud of these data, we know that there is still work to do to level the playing field for all of our students and all means all.
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As you saw in your joint meeting with the school board and planning commission in February, demographic disparities exist across our schools and these disparities have academic consequences.
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We have demographic groups, economically disadvantaged students for one, who are overrepresented in our chronically absent and suspension data, and underrepresented in our academic success data, such as the far right pie, such as students earning an academic advanced studies diploma.
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So let's take a quick look at the big picture considerations that provided the framework for our request.
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At the core of our work as a school division and at the core of this funding request is our strategic plan, including our mission to establish a community of learners and learning.
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Our vision that every learner take ownership of his or her own future.
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our values of excellence, young people, community, and respect, and our sole strategic goal that all learners graduate with the skills they need to be successful in life, whatever that life may be after graduation from high school.
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In support of our mission, vision, values, and student-centered goal,
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Our division is focused on three strategic priorities, including creating a culture of high expectation for everyone, identifying and removing practices that perpetuate the achievement gap, and ensuring that students identify and develop their own personal interests.
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These priorities have provided essential guidelines in developing the fund request.
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Through our division-wide focus on equity, we believe a key mission of our schools should be to end the predictive value of race, class, gender, and special capacities on student success by working together with families and communities to ensure each individual student's success.
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Promoting equity is the gateway to opportunity for our students.
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We also believe, however, that we have significant work to do in this area.
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For this reason, our 2018-19 funding request builds upon last year's equity and access initiative and focuses our resources on equity and opportunity.
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In addition to our strategic plan and our focus on equity, this funding request is the product of valuable feedback from several stakeholder groups, several of which are in the screen in front of you.
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We received guidance from nearly 2,300 students,
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parents, employees, and community members through our recent budget survey in December.
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And school division worked with and received feedback from several key advisory groups.
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Through our public budget survey, we were able to identify the community's top three priorities, which are competitive salaries to attract and retain high quality teachers,
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competitive salaries to attract and retain high quality support staff and to fully fund all student experiences.
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You can tell which one was the student's preference.
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These interests are priorities within our funding request and we'll address all of those later.
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Although there are many important elements and categories in this funding request, there are three key areas that sometimes cross categories of funding that we want you to remember and to keep in mind.
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So our takeaways for you are first, personnel.
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A primary concern related to personnel is the reduction in qualified teacher applicants, which reflects a national trend.
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Across the state,
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More than 1,000 paid teacher positions in public schools went empty or were unfilled in 2016.
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More than 1,000.
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That was up 200 positions from the previous year.
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That trend is apparent here as well as the overall number of educator applications for our current school year decreased, especially for middle school positions.
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In our efforts to hire and retain high quality educators and support staff, this funding request represents an investment in our employees.
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Our recent budget survey, as mentioned before, supports competitive salaries to attract and retain high quality employees, and this funding request includes meaningful salary increases.
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Further, this funding request includes full-time healthcare benefits for many part-time employees, which not only addresses affordability, but also provides an incentive for the hiring and retention of high turnover positions.
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The second takeaway is equity.
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This funding request builds on last year's equity and access initiative.
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Whether it's expanding mental health services for our high school students, removing the transportation barrier to attending any of our high school academies, or eliminating class fees, we're moving forward with an intense focus on ensuring that every student has access to the competencies and opportunities they need to thrive as learners, workers, and as citizens.
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and our third takeaway which will be discussed at length in just a few minutes is our high school 2022 initiative.
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Our upcoming shift in high school programming is designed to empower students to identify, develop and pursue their interests and to afford all students the highest potential for success after high school.
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So these are our three takeaways, the personnel, the equity, and the high school 2022.
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Now to take a look at our anticipated revenues and our proposed expenses.
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Our funding request, which is proposed to move forward not only our school community, but ultimately our broader community, hinges on available revenues.
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Overall, our 2018-19 revenues are increasing by $6.78 million, or 3.76%.
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The recent update is based on the county executive's recommended budget.
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The increase is entirely based on local government funding, since both state and federal revenues are declining, and we'll talk about that in just a moment as well.
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In total, the projected 2018-19 school revenues equal $187.27 million.
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The composite index.
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The decline in state revenues is due to the biennial recalculation of our composite index.
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The state uses the composite index calculation to determine each locality's ability to pay and subsequently how much the state will contribute to each school division.
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As a result of the most recent recalculation, Albemarle County's index increased by 6%, meaning that the state considers that the county has the ability to meet the school division's financial needs without as much state support.
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The recalculation of the composite index translates to an anticipated state revenues decreasing by more than $2 million for each of the next two years.
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To offset the decrease, the governor's budget proposed $1.1 million, and that would have been our number, $1.9 million in additional funds, but only for the first year of the biennial budget.
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We developed our funding request initially, and we developed our funding request initially planning to apply half of the 1.9 million over each of the next two fiscal years.
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But numbers three and four aren't gonna happen.
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It certainly appears that way.
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Because neither the House nor the Senate included the governor's hold harmless funding proposal in their budgets.
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We've been contacting our state representatives about restoring this funding in conference, but we're not optimistic at this time.
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And I'd like to thank those of you who did send in notes to delegate Landis and others about this.
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We hope that he will be able to make something happen in conference, but we're not counting on it in terms of as we're doing our budgeting.
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As you can see from this chart, even without the recalculation of the composite index, there's been more than a decade of overall declining support from the state, and the county has stepped up to support quality education.
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With inflation taking into account, per pupil state revenues have declined by 15.64% since fiscal year 2009.
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Conversely, over the same time, per pupil local revenues have increased by 5.74%.
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We thank you all for that support.
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Switching over to expenditures, our 2018-19 funding request totals $188.51 million.
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Given the fact that education is driven by its people, more than 85% of our proposed expenses are allocated to compensation and benefits.
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Overall, our proposed expenditures show an increase of around $8 million over the current year, a budget to budget increase of 4.4%.
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To recap,
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Our 2018-19 funding request, assuming the $1.9 million in hold harmless funding materializes and is spread over two years, which is the first column, a total revenue increase of $6.78 million, an increase in expenditures totaling $8.02 million, and a resulting funding gap just shy of $1.24 million.
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However, if the final state budget does not include the $1.9 million in hold harmless funding, our gap will grow to $2.2 million for 18-19.
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This would be the largest funding gap the school board has presented to the board of supervisors since our 2014-15 request.
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With that, I turn it back to Dr. Acuff.
Kate Acuff
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Let's look at what the change in our expenditures are in this funding request.
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Overall, our expenditure increase totals just over $8 million.
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And to explain the increase, we've grouped the proposed changes over last year's budget, including expenditures, decreases, and savings into four categories.
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Directed and mandated plus growth together make up more than 60% of the increase, 61.6% precisely.
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The remaining 38.4% of the increase goes to sustained commitment to quality education and advancing strategic priorities.
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For every item listed under these categories, we provided a description of this within Section A of our budget.
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but today we will only highlight a few of the items.
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First, directed and mandated.
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This represents 23.8% of the total increase for 18-19 and the items categorized under directed and mandated are those expenditures needed to meet the requirements by the state or direction provided by the board of supervisors and or the school board or other requirements and necessities.
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And as you can see the most significant items contributing to this are related to salaries and reflect our community's support of competitive salaries to attract and retain high quality staff.
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I also in this is, I want to point out our academy transportation which is under
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Other increases as both Diantha and Ned know, having served on the school board, we have not historically provided transportation.
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Although the academies are open to students from anywhere in the county, we have not provided transportation to the academies.
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So we are, as a pilot, going to provide transportation so students who would go to Albemarle can get out to Western to go to the Environmental Studies or out at Western can attend the Health and Medical Services Academy at Monticello.
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This is in alignment with our focus on equity and opportunity and I'm pleased to report that we've had the applications were due in January.
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We had something like 325 applicants of 284 students.
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Some of them were covering their bets, applying to more than one academy.
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The key variable I want you to remember is 40%, we had a 40% increase in the number of students who applied to academies outside their Bay School.
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And that is exactly what we're planning, hoping to do, is to reduce that barrier for our students to participate in all that we have to offer in the county.
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Salary increases, like the county, we have a 2% market increase in the funding request for classified staff.
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We have pay for performance and a 1% scale adjustment.
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Based on market, these increases for classified staff account for about $1.1 million.
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For teachers, based on the market, we've included a 2% increase.
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But additionally, in response to the teacher feedback we've had over the past 18 months about that the pay scale was neither transparent nor equitable, last spring we hired a consultant and I think we shared some of that information with you at an earlier meeting, but that the ultimate recommendation was an adjustment of our pay scale.
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This is the first time in 17 years that we've done a detailed teacher compensation study and as a result the 2% salary increase plus the one time scale adjustment totals just under $3.1 million.
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And you can see the impact of that on our 1,200 plus teachers.
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All teachers will receive at least a 2% increase and over half of our teachers will receive a 4% increase.
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This adjusting the scale will mean that when we tell our teachers next in two years that they're getting a 2% increase, all of our teachers will get a 2% increase, which is not the case right now.
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The second element accounting for our increase in our funding request is growth and you've seen these charts many times.
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Our county continues to grow.
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It, growth, expenditures related to growth account for 37.8% of our total increase and it's based on four elements.
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Overall growth and enrollment.
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The growth in the number of special ed students and the increase in the severity of needs of those students.
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Growth in the number of English learners and additional building services, staffing, and utility costs required to service Woodbrook Elementary School's 40,000 square feet addition that will be operational in the next school year.
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Taking a deeper dive into the growth in categories.
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Student enrollment, budget to budget, we have an increase of 249 students.
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I say budget to budget because we had an increase, we had a greater increase last year than we had projected.
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So the difference is 249 students in terms of what we project for this year.
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In response, our funding request includes a regular staffing increase of 18.74 full-time positions, which equates to nearly 1.5 million, or half of the increase under growth.
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As Jono mentioned, we continue to have growth in our economically disadvantaged student population which now comprise over 30% of all of our students which is about the entire population of Charlottesville schools.
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The students who are classified as economically disadvantaged are those who qualify for free and reduced price lunches under the federal system.
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Although our county-wide economy is on demand, the reality is that poverty in our country and our county is on the rise and that has academic consequences.
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We have to put more resources into schools with high populations
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of low income students.
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They need help in order to provide them equity in the opportunities that we offer.
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Compared with the 2011-12 school year, we have grown nearly 21% in low income or economically disadvantaged children compared with an overall increase of 6.5% in the total enrollment.
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So we're seeing a real strong, robust growth in low income kids.
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And as I said, that translates to higher staffing, greater numbers of staff needed to address those needs.
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We've also continued to see growth in our special education students and not only that, but a growth in the numbers of those requiring greater services.
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and special ed staffing is impacted both by the numbers of students but also the severity of their disabilities and for those requiring 50 to 100 percent special ed services we're talking about a student teacher ratio of six kids per teacher so that is a significant staffing cost.
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English learners.
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We have seen in the past two years that the total numbers have remained fairly flat.
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Growth, however, occurred in the number of students receiving direct services.
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and those are the students in the green bars.
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All students are tested, all English language learners are tested for their language proficiency and depending on their score they're either monitored or they get direct services.
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which means pulled out for English and other services.
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But another variable that's important in looking at this data is that a lot of the growth in the
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Direct Services population is coming from middle and high school students who come not only with the English language barrier or challenges, but also they have often had gaps in their education or their academic schooling.
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So they require highly intensive services to get them ready to graduate, to get them through school.
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And I can't explain why the growth is in that population, but we're seeing that significantly.
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And finally, another flavor of the English language slide is that we're seeing a greater distribution across the county of English language learners.
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So we've seen accelerated growth in English language learners at Baker Butler and Hollymead Elementary Schools as well as Sutherland Middle School.
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So that means you can't just put one more English language learner with a specialist, you have to have another person out there at those other schools.
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The third category is sustained commitment to quality education.
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It's the smallest percentage of our increase, 13.1%, but it continues prior
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Funding of prior initiatives, many related to equity and also investing in our employees.
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Some highlights are equity education specialists who work to advance our culturally responsive teaching model to direct more professional development for interventions that directly impact equity.
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A continuation of a short term educational program, the STEP program.
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This is a program that's been piloted at Jack Jouett Middle and then subsequently at Burley.
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And the whole idea of this is when students are disciplined and who would ordinarily have out of school suspensions.
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They're kept in the school.
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They're segregated from the rest of their classmates for the period of their suspension, but they continue to get the academic input that they would have lost if they were sitting home watching TV.
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And that has been extraordinarily positive, both for the teachers, for the students, and their parents have all been very, very supportive of that program.
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Third is our World Languages Initiative.
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As you know, we have an extraordinarily successful
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Spanish Immersion at Kale Elementary.
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We have people moving to Kale to get into that program.
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But we have now, they're all fifth graders.
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I mean the first participants are fifth graders who will be graduating the middle school.
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And they have a proficiency that's far beyond the usual first year Spanish class.
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So we have additional, more intent, more sophisticated Spanish language
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And then as Jono mentioned, providing health insurance to some of our part-time workers, our teacher aides, and others that we have a high turnover and we really need to offer something
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to keep our good people in place.
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And fourth is advancing strategic priorities.
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It represents about a quarter of the total increase and encapsulates our collaborative efforts across the division to do just that.
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Creating a culture of high expectations, identifying and removing practices that perpetuate the achievement gap,
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and ensuring that students identify and develop personal interests.
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And I won't read through all of these but it includes elimination of class fees and such.
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and I'd like to acknowledge the contributions of principals, department leaders and students in helping develop these ideas and one of them is expanding access to mental health services for high school students.
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This was an idea that was developed and very concrete policy suggestions both for the school level as well as state level
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were developed by three students from Western Albemarle, Claire Emma Newton, Alex Moreno, and Chloe Horner, as well as Lucas Johnson from Monticello.
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And they presented their findings and recommendations to the school board, and they also convened a mental health summit that I attended along with Cree Deeds to talk about the kind of policy changes that they would like to see for mental health support.
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and he was very impressed with them and suggested a few tweaks to their proposals but also invited them to present to his mental health committee in Richmond.
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So I think that's bravo for their idea but also for their initiative.
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Another item on this is eliminating class fees.
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Again,
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We don't have raw data on how much of a barrier that is, but we do know that it is a barrier, and we will see how that plays out in the enrollment and class enrollment in the coming year.
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And a working community-based learning coordinator is included, and this touches on the high school 2022
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This coordinator will focus on developing relationships with local businesses and the community to facilitate opportunities for students to participate in meaningful learning experiences and internships and work shadowing which is a key component of our
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I won't go into heavy detail on the High School 2022.
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We have
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a lot of information about it online and I'd be happy to come back or Matt Paz who has led the charge on this I'm sure would.
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But just briefly, the high school 2020, we were well on our way to talking about high school of the future of the 21st century even though it's already 2018, right?
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Before the state legislature passed in 2016 profile of a Virginia graduate.
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That simply was a catalyst for us to formulate a concrete plan for changing our high school programming.
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The goal of High School 2022 is to optimize choice to
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Optimized choice, afford all students the highest potential for learning, and the key elements across these different categories of expenditures are in the funding request.
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There's a freshman seminar which will be attended by all freshmen, and it's an advisory period focused on relationship building, meeting social-emotional
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and career building needs of our students.
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It adds instructional coaches.
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This is a very successful program that we have had for many years that we have never fully staffed it and we are going to add staff, we would like to add instructional coaches for that, for the high schools.
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Our pilot high school center, which not only encompasses the pedagogical changes in high school 2022 for innovation and cross-disciplinary, but it also is a pilot for our learning spaces that we're talking about in terms of our capital projects.
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and finally the work and base learning coordinator which I just talked about but in total across these different categories about 1.29 million of our funding request really focuses on high school 2022.
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I won't read these, but these are qualities that we hope the new high school programming will develop among our graduates, among our high school students, and I think they're great values that we should all think about for everyone in our community.
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Anyway, finally we have worked, the school division has worked hard over many years and certainly since the great recession to have a lot of initiatives focused on fiscal responsibility.
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We recently entered into an LED performance contract for LED lighting in all of our classrooms across the county and the savings that we will
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A, not only, we piloted it and not only is it a huge advantage for both our teachers and our students not having humming fluorescent lights overhead, but there's energy savings and we will be able to pay for that with the energy savings over I think it's a seven year, seven to ten year term.
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We have solar panels on almost all the groups that can accommodate solar panels across the county.
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That is saving us about six percent.
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a year in energy costs.
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We use high school interns to service our computers over the summer.
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They repair or refresh over 11,000 computers and set up an additional 4,000 new computers for students and staff.
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and this is not only a win-win, it is a win-win.
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Not only do we save a couple of hundred thousand dollars every summer, but the students get valuable internship and training and you can see in the photo, the student on the left is Jeremy Thomas and he recently contacted the division noting how valuable his IT training was in the internship for his Navy career.
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We're also establishing contracts with local nonprofits and student-centered organizations in nearly all the private schools in the county to perform field trips, maintain vehicles, and submit means of generating income.
00:37:28
And we also continue to partner with local government to make thoughtful health care decisions and reduce our health care costs.
00:37:35
So in closing, I want to circle back to the three key items that Jono mentioned.
00:37:44
supporting our personnel, promoting equity, and launching our high school 2022 initiative.
00:37:51
In the face of a teacher shortage, this funding request is an investment in employees moving forward our ability to hire and retain high quality educators and support staff.
00:38:02
It's also a representation of our division-wide focus on equity, moving forward our efforts to guarantee all students access to the opportunities and skills they need for a successful life.
00:38:15
And finally, this funding request supports High School 2022, a shift in high school programming that moves forward a reality in which students leave our school division having actively mastered lifelong learning skills to succeed as 21st century learners, workers, and citizens.
00:38:32
We are partners in our community's quality of life and economic vitality.
00:38:41
Families decide to move to Albemarle County because of the quality of the schools.
00:38:46
Businesses decide to invest in the county because of the quality of the schools.
00:38:50
Talented educators apply to work for us because of the quality of the schools.
00:38:55
Your support of this funding request equates not only to moving our school division forward, but to moving Albemarle forward.
00:39:03
Thank you.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:39:08
Thank you, Kate, very much.
00:39:10
Questions for our school board representatives and or staff about their presentation or materials that we've read.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:39:19
I have kind of a general question about teachers and difficulty in hiring teachers.
SPEAKER_05
00:39:25
I'm just wondering how much is, and I will say right, what?
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:39:30
Is it not coming through?
00:39:31
There it is.
00:39:32
How's there?
00:39:32
Okay, I'll hold it right there.
00:39:35
doesn't ever seem to work around my ears.
00:39:39
So this is a general question about teachers and hiring them and I will say that I completely support raises for teachers.
00:39:50
How much of it do you think is really the, part of it obviously here is pay, but
00:39:57
What part of it is just the demands of being a teacher today?
00:40:02
And I say this because I have a daughter who's a high school calculus teacher in her fifth year of teaching and her last year of teaching.
00:40:10
And this is what I hear.
00:40:12
That she doesn't teach here.
00:40:15
But that you don't have a life the way it's structured.
00:40:20
And I'm just curious what your teachers are telling you
00:40:23
you're getting less applications and I also am a little bit concerned about what's been in the news recently and if that can possibly be affecting that in the future.
00:40:34
Obviously it's a nationwide and that's hard for you to answer but I just don't know if you get feedback on.
Kate Acuff
00:40:39
I'll defer to staff in a moment, but I think overall we still get more applications than we have physicians.
00:40:47
We have some difficulty, as I noted, and we've seen some difficulty in middle school for some reason, maybe some of the science and math
00:40:57
areas, we can recruit your daughter, and we make special efforts to ensure that we can recruit minority teachers.
00:41:11
I have to say that although our teachers
00:41:15
and we had not only two to three hundred letters from teachers but also they served on the focus group as a consultant.
00:41:24
They love teaching for the most part in Albemarle County.
00:41:29
It is
00:41:33
It is viewed as a benefit to teach with such an innovative and quality school system.
00:41:39
That's not to say that some of them aren't stressed out or their loads are too high or whatever, and we were unable in this funding request to implement all the recommendations that our consultant made, one of which is that we were seriously
00:41:58
We were below the average in terms of stipends and we had, during the recession, a lot of the additional funding for teachers who took over, ran a department or did extra activities at school were eliminated or significantly caught.
00:42:18
We were not quite prepared yet to restore that funding until we studied it a little bit better, but I know that some of them have asked for that to be funded.
00:42:27
I think a benefit of Albemarle County Schools is that we continue, unlike many school divisions, to have relatively small class sizes.
00:42:35
And that is also something that teachers cite.
00:42:39
And I don't know if Pam or Debbie or anybody wants to add to that.
00:42:44
Have I covered it mostly?
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:42:47
Pam, you need to come up here, dear, because we can't hear you.
00:42:51
Yeah, there's a mic right here.
Kate Acuff
00:42:57
Thank you Pam.
SPEAKER_14
00:43:01
It's going to take five seconds Pam to introduce yourself for people out there who don't recognize your voice.
SPEAKER_04
00:43:09
Pam Moran, Superintendent, Albemarle County Public Schools.
00:43:12
Soon to be succeeded by Matt Haas, who is incoming, and this will be his funding request turned to a budget for next year.
00:43:20
But in response to your question, one of the things that we know that that's a critical issue that's affecting not just us, but school districts across the United States, there are 500,000 less teacher candidates in undergraduate education programs today than there were in 2009.
00:43:38
And so you think about that many, many, many people who were choosing to go into education that when the recession occurred and what came after that have flipped to choose other careers.
00:43:49
So that's one thing that's happening as we have a population of educators that are aging out.
00:43:54
I do think, Ms. Palmer, that education today is a far more complicated teaching place than it was 20 years ago or 30 years ago.
00:44:07
Some of that's being moderated by changes in the state of Virginia in terms of taking some of the pressure of state testing off of educators, but there are so many other factors that are affecting the profession that make it complicated.
00:44:20
and people have a lot of choices today in terms of careers that perhaps some of us didn't see as choices when we started out in the profession.
00:44:29
So we do see pressures, complexity of the job as being a factor, other opportunities as being a factor, but then I think that one of the things that you said Kate, and we heard that very clearly,
00:44:42
from our teacher educators that worked with the compensation study that educators that are here want to stay here, but they do see the salary differential between Albemarle and our Northern Virginia neighbors as being something that gives them some anxiety about, can I buy a home?
00:45:00
Can I pay for my child to go to college?
00:45:03
And so that's why we see what we're doing with this compensation package as building for the here and now of our educators, but also for the folks that we want to recruit two years from now, five years from now, ten years from now, to keep us competitive.
00:45:17
So, I think all of the above is really correct in this multiple choice question.
Kate Acuff
00:45:23
Two of the other things that our teachers have pointed out is it's wonderful working for a top performing school division but they can't afford to live in Albemarle County and so they are just expressed distress that they're living in Orange or Fluvanna or Culpeper and they can't send their kids to the same schools that they're helping make you know in the top two and a half percent in the country
00:45:52
So that's a real challenge.
00:45:55
I know it's a challenge for other county employees as well.
00:45:59
But that is one.
00:46:00
I guess that's the one.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:46:03
And this gets back to one of the thoughts that I have put on the table and have been talking to Dean about for the last couple of years.
00:46:13
We are facing a teaching shortage.
00:46:15
You all are having already trouble recruiting and retaining teachers.
00:46:19
We're having the same issue around police, our police officers.
00:46:24
Some of those careers, you see how they're playing out publicly and some of the challenges around them.
00:46:32
We have the ability, if we can, if we muster the will, we have land on school properties
00:46:41
Not all of our school properties, but for example, Walton, Baker Butler, Western Elmar High School has land that's not being utilized and could be used for affordable housing.
00:46:55
Albemarle County owns the property.
00:46:58
That's what we can bring to the table.
00:47:01
Technically, I'm not sure if it's the school board or the county government.
00:47:05
I don't really care.
00:47:06
It's Albemarle County property.
00:47:08
We could bring some of those properties to the table, not sell them.
00:47:14
but say we're providing the property, we could build some affordable housing units on that property for our teachers and for our police officers that would provide a recruitment tool possibly, a retention tool, but ability for some of those professions to be able to, if they could, and I don't know the model.
00:47:37
Jeff, you've even indicated to me you've worked with that model other places.
00:47:40
Dean is here.
00:47:42
And it looks like Greg is picking up his mic.
00:47:45
I hope he's not going to tell me it's illegal.
SPEAKER_12
00:47:50
Now under our form of government, the county has the ability to provide grants, loans, and other assistance to county and school division employees to reside in the county.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:48:01
We could offer the somehow or another, and I can't go into all of the details, Jeff probably has more details than Dean because they've both seen this play out.
00:48:09
I really think that in this coming year,
00:48:12
We really need to have a task force, a group of folks from the school division and the board of supervisors to talk about how we might not make this a reality.
00:48:24
It is a really, it's a model that is happening in other places and it could help us.
00:48:30
I don't think there are very many families that would object to teachers and police officers living on school property.
00:48:39
That doesn't happen in other communities.
00:48:41
There's no objection.
00:48:41
I mean, to my knowledge.
00:48:43
I don't know, Dean, if you want to say anything about this or Jeff, but
00:48:48
I keep bringing it up, but at some point I really think we might want to get a group together to talk about how it might actually work, or at least investigate the idea.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:48:56
I see Bill taking notes, so I think it's on the list.
SPEAKER_14
00:48:59
But I do think it's important to note that this board has made a very serious commitment with the funds through the EDA to Mr. Park on Old Lynchburg Road to build additional affordable housing, number one.
00:49:13
Number two, we made a commitment last year's positive variance as well as in this budget to $675,000
00:49:25
to Southwood and Southwood will be a multi-use community and there will be market rate houses in there as well as affordable houses.
00:49:37
So we are making an effort to provide those affordable units.
00:49:40
Part of the problem that I've experienced in the past on the Planning Commission is when we made a decision in the county to provide affordable housing the word never got out to the teachers, it never got out to the fire department,
00:49:56
Dan's in the room.
00:49:57
It never got out to the police department and Terry's back there representing the police department.
00:50:04
It never got out and so people didn't know about it and they got jobs here and they went over to Lake Monticello because they were advised well it's the only place you can afford.
00:50:15
and so we've got to get that word out there.
00:50:18
The other thing I'll note I think it's a great idea I just saw in a bulletin coming from the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia that there is now an effort on church properties where they have surrounding land they're beginning to build affordable housing units.
00:50:33
because they understand they're never probably going to grow that church any further physically as a plant but there's room because of the amount of land available to meet housing needs in their community so I think you're thinking creatively in the right way but I didn't want to lose sight of the fact that remind the school board that we are trying to make an effort
00:50:54
to add to the overall inventory of affordable housing that will remain affordable housing, will not just convert over a year or two to market rate, but it will stay that way.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:51:04
And that's the beauty of what I'm talking about.
00:51:06
And the units, the build-out itself is 700 units, but that is going to take a long time, which is great.
00:51:16
And it's really, I'm excited about it.
00:51:18
I think it's a great project.
00:51:19
I think that what I'm suggesting as far as
00:51:23
I don't know, six or eight townhouses at Walton or six units at Western Albemarle.
00:51:31
I'm not talking about 700 units.
00:51:33
I'm talking about land that we already own.
00:51:36
We bring that to the table.
00:51:37
Let's see what a developer would be willing to do.
00:51:40
And these units would not change over either if they were sold because we would have control over them.
00:51:46
They would stay affordable housing.
00:51:51
That's the beauty of it.
00:51:53
I don't want to keep belaboring it right now, but if we could talk about, between the school division and county government, just what this might look like and is it a possibility, it would really be wonderful.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:52:03
Well, certainly a possibility.
Kate Acuff
00:52:04
We just need to get some details from staff.
00:52:06
That's good.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:52:07
I did have one question.
00:52:08
Are you considering, in your academy transportation, strictly looking at within school staff and school buses, or are you thinking of asking at least with an RFP to some of our other transportation providers to move
00:52:23
the small bus size, the 20 kids from here to there through John or something as a possible financial savings.
Kate Acuff
00:52:29
I'll have to defer Dean on that, on the specifics.
00:52:32
I know that we have a plan.
00:52:34
I'm not fluent in what the plan is.
SPEAKER_16
00:52:39
Good afternoon.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:52:43
If it's green, it's on.
SPEAKER_16
00:52:44
Dean Testa, Chief Operating Officer.
00:52:46
So for this pilot, we're talking about school bus transportation from depots to see how well it succeeds.
00:52:54
Jim Foley is on that task force looking at multidisciplinary transportation modes to see where we could do some subionic type transportation utilizing each of the services.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:53:05
and eventually we would hope our regional transit partnership would get to the point where something like this might come under that umbrella.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:53:13
And if there are buses on the lot, then we can just get a driver to move, then that's an easy way to move kids around.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:53:18
Yes, absolutely, but eventually that might make an impact for not only us but private schools as well as Charlottesville schools and community people, that's right.
00:53:28
Other questions, folks?
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:53:31
I don't know if it's a question, but I would piggyback on the affordable housing conversation.
00:53:35
But I mean, as things become more competitive, as the teaching pool or the applicant pool declines, something like affordable housing on school property where you can walk to your place of employment becomes a hell of a recruitment tool.
00:53:48
That's right.
00:53:50
We see other industries do that, where they provide daycare on site.
00:53:53
They do things creatively to make it a one-stop shop.
00:53:57
So I endorse it from that standpoint.
00:53:59
Have we ever, I don't know if Lorna or who I would direct this at.
00:54:04
It may be a list question.
00:54:07
When we have done salary increases, the 2% and this one and how it's working out, do we track how that paces with cost of living increases over the years?
00:54:16
Is our, in other words, are our salary increases at pace, ahead of pace, behind pace with what the cost of living in our locality is?
00:54:26
Are we giving enough of a raise compared to where we're living?
00:54:30
for net take home.
SPEAKER_00
00:54:37
Lorna Jerome, Director of Human Resources.
00:54:40
So your question is, does our market increase actually keep up with the cost of living in our area?
00:54:48
And one of the things we know about the cost of living here is the cost of housing is very high, probably disproportionately compared to other areas.
00:54:57
So we don't really track that.
00:54:59
We do know that the market increase we give keeps up with our competitive market.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
00:55:06
and what other people are paying if their cost of living is being outpaced.
00:55:13
If their raise is outpacing the cost of living in their area and ours is not, we're at a competitive disadvantage to pull people, to pull that talent forward.
00:55:21
So I think it's something that merits looking at.
00:55:23
A lot of times I understand our philosophy and our theories behind setting what we give as salary and compensation, but we always see the fights with bus drivers and John and seeing that playing out right now.
00:55:35
If I hear a dwindling pool of applicants, I would imagine that's gonna be the case in places like social services, et cetera.
00:55:41
but it just may behoove the county to start thinking in terms of well if we provide salaries that compensate for the cost of living in our area and we obviously have to figure out how to afford it understood but that should at least be part of the conversation because that could help us give us a competitive edge and bringing talent into into the county.
SPEAKER_07
00:56:05
with the different partnerships and entrepreneur activities that Jenna was talking about ahead of this meeting.
00:56:13
I haven't heard anything about PVCC and the connection.
00:56:16
I know some high school kids are doing programs there, but is that part of this general plan in high school 2022 or whatever?
Kate Acuff
00:56:25
I don't know if Matt wants to talk to that.
00:56:26
I mean, we're looking at
00:56:28
I know that we're renewing the charter and we're looking at Murray Elementary, Murray High School for example to be more of an innovation center than according to its original charter that was 1987.
00:56:41
And we are looking at K-Tech and I think we will be looking at PVCC.
00:56:47
I don't know that I have anything, certainly not in this funding request about that.
00:56:52
But we're looking with our high school center pilot to start.
00:56:58
We're trying to rethink what all to put in there.
00:57:01
Maybe we put in one of our academies.
00:57:04
Maybe we marry some of the IT offerings at KTEC with MESA students in an academy.
00:57:11
I mean, one of the thoughts in terms of our centers
00:57:15
is to have a greater connectivity to the community and maybe that's where you know an employer could come and ask for you know they need their website designed or whatever or you know maybe a nonprofit could come so there'd be a lot of interaction but I don't know Matt if you want to say anything
Jonno Alcaro
00:57:35
One thing to that too is that we have significant numbers of kids right now who are doing dual enrollment between high school and PVCC.
00:57:49
My daughter is doing three this year.
00:57:51
We're going to be doing a deep dive and a work session coming up.
00:57:54
about APs, which seems to be primarily about getting into college, and the dual enrollment, which is about getting college credit before you go, and how to expand that.
00:58:11
There are schools around, those of us who are up at the Equity Conference in Washington just recently, heard about kids from New York State,
00:58:24
who had significant portions of their senior classes graduating to the degree of like 30 and 40%, graduating with both a high school degree and an associate's degree at the same time.
00:58:41
So as we go through the AP deep dive and the dual enrollment deep dive, we're gonna be looking at all of that too.
00:58:51
and how that can really feed into 2022.
SPEAKER_07
00:58:55
Are there online degree programs for high school?
00:59:04
It wouldn't be exactly the same but there's so many courses available for college credit online.
00:59:09
Are there any equivalents to that?
00:59:11
It's kind of part of the same issue.
Jonno Alcaro
00:59:13
They do exist and we do have students who are taking online courses
00:59:19
to complement what their course load is already.
00:59:23
There are students that want to learn Arabic, who want to learn Chinese, and they don't have access to that.
00:59:32
So they're doing that on their own.
00:59:33
I think that virtual will be a component.
00:59:38
of what's going to be going on in our high schools and probably earlier too in middle school going forward.
00:59:45
It's not a very formal part just yet, but it's definitely on the table.
Kate Acuff
00:59:50
It's not a, I think we have maybe two to five percent of our coursework is in virtual right now, but as we're thinking ahead at high school 2022, there's all sorts of things on the table.
01:00:03
I mean, why do we need to have students restricted til eight, til three in the afternoon?
01:00:09
That they have internships through part of the day that may lend itself either to some of the centers being open longer, for longer periods during the day, which might benefit both students and the community,
01:00:20
or an increase in the diversity and the course selection that could be available online.
01:00:27
So all of this we're sort of still unpacking.
01:00:30
We're ready for the freshman class coming in and I know the development of the full curriculum is going on too.
01:00:37
But I think we have a lot of exciting potential, not only in the redesigned pedagogy for high school, but the redesigned learning environments that we're contemplating under the capital improvements.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:00:50
One thing I've been looking forward to as you've been working over the last decade, I think, to put fiber to all the schools is to make those group classes where a teacher is in one place and students are spread all around the other high schools to actually have a live class but they're not in the same space.
01:01:05
It's really important.
01:01:06
I think that's really important.
01:01:07
And you're almost there, right, as far as the fiber project is concerned?
Kate Acuff
01:01:10
I don't know.
01:01:10
We're not quite as far along as we thought we would be by now, but some of the funding in here is to get it for all the urban ring schools.
01:01:18
I mean, we're working on some cell towers in the other parts of the state.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:01:22
And the high schools is what I'm particularly interested in for this question.
Kate Acuff
01:01:25
I mean, I had originally thought it was like a three-year program.
01:01:28
We're looking at maybe by 2020 having substantially all of it.
01:01:32
There may be certain areas
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:01:33
the geography will prevent you know usual access and we'll have to do something else but we're that's our goal but the fiber question is what I was talking about is what you have to have in order to do the live classes the wireless stuff is not going to cover that at all okay thank you great other questions yes
SPEAKER_14
01:01:51
I think these questions are probably best directed at Dean so Dean if you would please come on down for the price is right.
01:02:00
I've got a series of questions for you because I've compared what you all are presenting today and I appreciate the presentation all the staff work that went in to your funding request.
01:02:12
and I'm comparing it to what you originally submitted and there's some significant changes and I just want to get a handle on those if I may start off under the growth sector on page 13 today it lists 18.74 FTEs for those listening on the outside that's full-time equivalents
01:02:33
and yet previously it was a 14.34 full-time teacher equivalent so between the original proposal and the final proposal budget we're seeing today there's been a growth.
01:02:50
of $180,847 for staffing increases and can you give me an idea of what's driving that in essentially since the budget was presented by the county executive and to today on March 1st?
01:03:12
That's the first of about four questions I have.
01:03:19
Yeah, you were on automatically.
01:03:20
Oh, it's a different mic.
01:03:21
It wasn't on.
01:03:22
Actually, I turned it on.
01:03:22
Oh, you turned it on.
01:03:23
OK. Yeah, thank you.
01:03:24
Sorry.
SPEAKER_16
01:03:24
So we did adjust that about and increase it by about 180,000 to reflect a more complete analysis of the impact of the redistricting of students from Greer and Agnerhert to Woodbrook.
01:03:35
So when you move students and the numbers that we're moving as part of that redistricting, there is a net increase in cost for some of the support positions like counselors and et cetera.
01:03:45
So I think our initial budget failed to fully appreciate
01:03:49
the teaching impact of that redistricting.
SPEAKER_14
01:03:53
Okay, so good you went back, sharpened pencils and found that it needed to be altered.
01:03:57
I appreciate that.
01:03:58
The second question I have is going then over to the third section which is sustained commitment to quality education.
01:04:09
And you've added a half of equity education specialists from what we originally saw in the budget, which is $37,676 higher.
01:04:20
What's driving the need for the additional half equity education specialists?
SPEAKER_16
01:04:30
That was a change made by the school board to the superintendent's recommendation and I think the board, I don't want to speak for the board, but the board was persuaded that the original investment of one FTE was not sufficient and they wanted to augment that with another half-time position so it's just their commitment to that culturally responsive classroom education program.
SPEAKER_14
01:04:48
Okay, I also noticed that the Kronos time management coordinator position actually was reduced in price from $94,124 down to $82,953.
01:05:00
Were you able to outsource the Kronos coordinator to India or is there something else going on here that I don't know about?
SPEAKER_16
01:05:08
No, that was an adjustment to the cost based on the proportion of what it's going to be paid for by the county versus the school system.
01:05:15
We're not going to pay the full cost of that in the school system.
01:05:18
The county is paying for a portion of it.
SPEAKER_14
01:05:20
Finally, the one thing that I was struck by looking at the proposed budget, the staffing increase costs are very reasonable.
01:05:31
The technology area jumped up 19.73% in proposed expenditures.
01:05:37
But item after item on the instructional side for the operations, for example,
01:05:45
I should say on the operating side for instruction, for administration, attendance, and health, and for technology, we're certainly higher than the rate of inflation.
01:05:59
What's driving all of those increased operating costs for the school division?
SPEAKER_16
01:06:06
I don't know that I could answer it particularly adequately just standing here.
01:06:09
I don't know if I don't need to get back to you with that one.
SPEAKER_14
01:06:11
That'd be fine.
01:06:12
I'd be happy to get in more detail.
SPEAKER_16
01:06:15
I would say on the one, on some piece of the technology, for example, for LTI positions, CSS positions,
01:06:23
You know the standards of quality requirements from the state and we exceed the standard of quality in almost every measure you can imagine.
01:06:30
One area we found we were not meeting the state standards for SOQ was the technology support positions and so the superintendent made a decision this was the year that we would get ourselves up to the minimum SOQ standards and so four of those positions were associated directly with that.
01:06:44
Let me give you some more details on those other questions you just asked.
01:06:47
Okay.
SPEAKER_14
01:06:48
And the last one I had, I just saw that under transportation staffing costs went up.
01:06:53
I gather that's because you're going to be operating more buses this coming year.
01:06:56
Yes.
01:06:57
Okay.
01:06:57
Okay.
01:06:57
Great.
01:06:58
Thank you very much.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:07:03
Other questions?
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:07:04
Does anybody else have a question?
01:07:06
Because I have one last one if everybody's done.
01:07:10
Because mine's a little different from budget.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:07:12
I'll just make another comment.
01:07:15
I attended a community meeting this past Sunday.
01:07:18
Mr. Randolph, I believe, I saw in the audience as well.
01:07:21
And a lot of just comments were flung about about how rich and fluid the county is.
01:07:26
We really don't have to deal with the types of services or the service needs that the city sees.
01:07:32
and I think it's really highlighted in a school division budget when you see 30% of your students is economically disadvantaged that you can't pick who comes to your school division, you have to service and that just increases the cost to service those types of students.
01:07:49
I was struck by the increase in the special education staffing, the growth that I saw there, I wasn't anticipating that.
01:07:56
But it gets a little frustrating to hear that, especially in the urban ring, Greer is what, 76% economically disadvantaged?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:08:06
I think the redistricting shaved it to like 74%, but it's still right up there.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:08:12
So that took Agner, Hurt, and Woodbrook up a few percent, which are in the 50s.
01:08:17
Scottsville's probably around what, 50%.
01:08:20
So you have schools where the needs are so great that that just increases the types of costs.
01:08:28
And I'd like to make the public statement that we, like the city, while we had individuals whose gross income may have increased, you're seeing that on the other end of the spectrum we have not just increased economically disadvantaged students come to our school division, but you know that's also going to mean
01:08:44
increase in services provided to that whole family and they're spread through the rural and the urban area even though we see it on the urban area.
01:08:52
I hope that our state legislators would take note of the fact that while you have a smaller amount of people growing their income that we have a large portion of folks whose income is not growing and that they need their services and I'll try to make sure I make that point when I make my own phone call to some of the legislators.
01:09:12
Thank you for your presentation today.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:09:14
I guess I've got one real quick question that has to do with the budget, but I do want to say that I was amazed when I was told that just a couple of very wealthy people in Albemarle County making more money could skew this whole entire thing.
Kate Acuff
01:09:35
I think it was fewer than 100 people accounted for more than a billion dollar increase.
01:09:40
We had a 28% increase in our personal income component of the composite index, which popped us up enormously in terms of, we hope is a one time variable.
01:09:55
That coupled with, the three elements in composite index are property values, and that does not take into account land use.
01:10:05
And it doesn't take into account
01:10:21
the revenue sharing agreement and it assumes we have that income at our disposal and again I want to thank the county with diminishing state returns, state revenues for your continued support and I think together we have a first-class educational system that I'd like to keep going.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:10:40
There was a Jaylark study in 2015 that in the entire southeast part of the country that the burden, the educational cost shifting from the state to the localities and the localities that picked up the greatest burden was in Virginia of going ahead and funding education.
01:10:57
So it speaks volumes that localities do value education in the state of Virginia but the state needs to realize they can't continually putting that responsibility to the localities to continue to foot the bill.
01:11:08
on funding education for our kids.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:11:13
My one budget question is extremely fast.
01:11:16
Elimination of class fees.
01:11:18
Can you give me some examples?
01:11:19
I have some constituents that want us to increase those and so when I get asked about this I want to be able to
Kate Acuff
01:11:27
Well I mean some of the some of the art classes or other classes have fees associated with taking them and this would remove all of the fees for those classes it does not eliminate sort of athletic fees and those sorts of fees so it's in that right now we're looking on how do we get remove the barriers to equity to our academic offerings.
01:11:49
So it's all academic offerings?
01:11:51
Correct.
SPEAKER_14
01:11:52
Thank you.
01:11:52
Like sciences and science?
Kate Acuff
01:11:53
Science may be one as well.
01:11:55
Lab fees and whatnot.
01:11:56
Yeah, yeah.
01:11:57
Lab fees, right.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:11:59
Ned, thanks for bringing that up and it is shocking to me at times when we look at Virginia and how we have become a state that educates by zip code on what localities can pick up the difference locally determines the quality of the education which is very, very concerning.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:12:21
Before you go on to your other topic, let me just add one thing to what Ned said.
01:12:25
Am I working alright?
01:12:28
Just to add on to Supervisor Galloway, the other issue that all six of our districts have is a very wide ability to pay among our residents.
01:12:38
We all have older people who worked very hard but in an economy that's completely different from today.
01:12:44
And so while we see all of these needs, we also don't want to create more people who lose their affordable house because they can't pay an increase that for many is completely absorbable.
01:12:55
So it is part of that stretch, that tug of war that we're always facing at this time of all the needs were being undercut from the state, undercut from the feds, but it's not a bottomless pit at the bottom either.
01:13:06
So it is a real dilemma.
01:13:08
I appreciate all the hard work you all have done already to get us to this point.
01:13:13
And it is a very wide range of abilities to be resilient in the county that we have to appreciate.
SPEAKER_14
01:13:22
Can I jump in too before you move to another point?
01:13:26
Supervisor Galloway, I appreciate your bringing up.
01:13:29
I was pleased that one of my constituents did write the board and responded to that particular presenter pointing out the stereotypes that were prevalent in that public attitude that was shared on Sunday.
01:13:43
It is a disturbing part of our local mythology that the county is wealthy, the city is poor and therefore never the twain shall meet when the reality is that the city, especially in the urban ring,
01:13:58
excuse me, the county especially in the urban ring exhibited many of the symptoms if not all and some of them even more intensified than what the city is experiencing and has experienced.
01:14:12
So in actuality we're a lot more similar than dissimilar from that standpoint.
01:14:17
You get into a qualitative analysis.
01:14:19
The quantitative is probably about the same, but it's still disturbing to hear what you expect to be educated people presenting very grossly stereotypical points of view in a public setting and have that treated as gospel.
01:14:34
So I'm glad you brought that up because I was aghast at those comments.
01:14:38
My wife said, why didn't you say something?
01:14:40
I said, it's not the occasion for me to say something.
01:14:43
This is.
Kate Acuff
01:14:44
I think Pam Moran was touring one of our urban rain schools fairly recently with Rosa Atkins of the city and Rosa was remarked on how many of her students from the city had migrated to the county.
01:15:05
and we're seeing that increasingly.
01:15:08
Certainly we're seeing increased disproportionate placement of the IRC families in the county and many of, I mean even though we don't have adequate affordable housing, a lot of the so-called affordable housing is bunched into Diantha's and my district around Greer and
01:15:31
Disproportionately, so we have one school, you know, we have a range of elementary schools, for example, with less than 6% free and reduced lunch eligible children to almost three quarters of them.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:15:43
And part of the issue around that it's a multi-pronged problem I guess I could say because part of it is that they're there for lack of transit that doesn't go into other parts of our community which is why some of us are working so hard around this regional transit partnership to try and get affect how CAT
01:16:07
serves our Albemarle County residents and where it goes.
01:16:12
But this is a great lead in because, and Kate knows I'm going to bring this up and Dean knows I'm going to bring this up, because once again I'm going to mention the fact that
01:16:22
We have passed around the demographics, well not really demographics, but the percentages for the magisterial districts of students in the magisterial districts that are a percent of the population.
01:16:40
And I would like Dean to come up because
01:16:42
He can tell you why in the world we ended up with this to begin with, but as the supervisor representing the Jewett district, and I think Kate, I'm going to let Kate speak for herself since she's here, but I am very concerned and would like to really try and figure out what's causing the difference
01:17:02
in our student population in the magisterial districts.
01:17:08
Is there something about the demographics that's making this percentage so skewed?
01:17:13
I mean, I think we really owe it to the school division and county government and our community to figure out what's going on, what's causing this difference.
01:17:23
I don't know, maybe the Jouett district has lots of old people,
01:17:26
but when I look at the Jack Jouett district at 7.71% and White Hall at 17.9% and most everybody else somewhere high in...
Kate Acuff
01:17:36
These are the students as public school students.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:17:39
Yes, and I'm going to let Dean come up and just briefly address how we ended up with this information because it was kind of a fluke.
01:17:47
and exactly what we're looking at.
SPEAKER_14
01:17:49
And as number two on the list, I'll be happy to weigh in.
01:17:52
Exactly.
01:17:53
This is an ongoing discussion in Scottsville.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:17:55
That's right, that's right, you're number two.
SPEAKER_16
01:17:58
So the origin of this is we do a spreadsheet that shows the number and percentage of students in each school by magisterial district.
01:18:07
And the reason we do it is we want administrators in a school to know who their student, who are their students represented by.
01:18:15
So we don't want Greer to assume that every single one of their students is out of Jewett.
01:18:19
They have students actually from other Magisterial districts.
01:18:21
So that was the origin of this just kind of information for our administrators.
01:18:27
And what struck me when we looked at it is we have 21% of our students that come out of White Hall, 14% come out of Scottsville, 16% out of Samuel Miller, 19% out of Rivanna, 19% out of Rio, and only 9% out of Jewett.
01:18:43
So when I saw that I started scratching my head and said somebody must have created magisterial districts that are very different in size.
01:18:49
But then when you looked at the census data from 2010, Jewett's actually the most populated magisterial district.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:18:56
And that led me then to do the analysis showing the percent and that is something of an inexplicable
SPEAKER_16
01:19:02
the low percentage of students coming out so it could be demographic, it could be there's more older people living in that or fewer young people living in it or maybe some other factor, maybe that something about that school, district schools are keeping people from wanting to attend there and they're going to private school and I think because of that I think it'd be good to spend some time trying to figure it out and determine if it is demographically caused and whether there's anything we do or don't want to do about it but if it's not it's something else then perhaps it's actionable.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:19:30
And this was great coming, and I was just going to say, this was great coming out of our joint meeting that we had with the Planning Commission and the School Board and the Board of Supervisors.
01:19:40
We had all that data.
01:19:41
This is just another step in gaining even more data about what's going on, what are the reasons, because you can't figure out how to solve a problem if you don't know what's causing the problem.
01:19:53
I want to see what's going on and why this is so skewed because my experience in the Jewett district is not that we're all elderly but I could be wrong.
01:20:08
I am an empty nester and I've said maybe they all look like me but my anecdotal evidence says not but having said that
SPEAKER_14
01:20:18
It will also be interesting to watch on is there is this concerted effort to take the enrollment pressure off of Greer that as Greer's enrollment doesn't continue advance at the rate that it has in the past and there's more adequacy of space and capacity there that
01:20:40
the perception in the community may change because right now if you're shopping for elementary school it may not be desirable to be in a district where the elementary school is already over enrolled and that is a deterrent for some families.
01:20:56
That could be a factor.
01:20:57
Now I certainly know in Scottsville that hasn't been an issue.
01:21:02
That's not an issue for any one of the three elementary schools.
01:21:06
Kale is continuing to grow.
01:21:08
but it really hasn't been a major factor to deter people from moving into that area.
01:21:14
The primary driver of that low demographic is, as we've already talked in terms of Dan's proposed budget, we just are not creating the Robert Putnam's of people that are bowling together.
01:21:30
There are not enough people moving into the district.
01:21:33
that are committed to civic participation.
01:21:37
And it's aging.
01:21:39
And we're seeing the effects of what Bob's Parks and Recreation Report provided to us as a county.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:21:46
And I'd like to know what the issue is in the Jewett District.
01:21:48
Is it an aging district?
01:21:50
My sense is from knocking on doors for many, many years, it's not.
01:21:56
But having said that, I don't know.
01:21:58
That's why I would like to have staff research this issue and figure it out.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:22:03
Do you already have information from kindergarten survey or something to know how many children there are in households in the district?
SPEAKER_12
01:22:13
Does a tiny one do that, Debbie?
SPEAKER_16
01:22:17
By Magisterial District?
01:22:19
By school?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:22:23
So we haven't quite climbed that into a Magisterial.
SPEAKER_16
01:22:29
So that is voluntary data so it's not the most accurate that we get from the private schools and we don't attribute that to Magisterial District of Residence.
01:22:38
It's the work we can try to do.
01:22:39
We might be able to figure it out, yeah.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:22:41
So if you had the data over a few years, you might be able to see the evolution of neighborhoods.
01:22:47
I've been watching Ivy, which is where I live and the largest precinct.
01:22:54
And just five years ago, everybody on the street were old people with no kids.
01:22:59
And now they're moving in, and we're seeing they're moving into smaller houses in the city or wherever.
01:23:05
And we're seeing a lot of new children in the neighborhood.
01:23:08
So I know there's that natural evolution of neighborhoods.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:23:13
And what we're seeing in the Jewett district is certainly growth from, as you all have alluded to, as Charlottesville is
01:23:25
changing and infilling, we're seeing lots of populations coming into our urban ring, a lot of people coming into the urban ring from the city.
01:23:38
We've already had reports from the school system that many of those are bringing their children with them because we see that in our urban ring schools.
01:23:45
But regardless, I would love to have if staff, and I don't know what staff it would be, but, and it certainly, I'm not, my expectation is not to have it tomorrow by any means either.
01:23:55
But I know Kate and I have talked about this and we would both like to see if we could figure out the good reasons for this.
01:24:01
And it might very well inform you as well.
01:24:03
Yeah, yeah, thanks.
01:24:05
Thank you very much.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:24:06
Is it, Dean, does it, I don't even know if it makes sense to do this, does it, do you break it out by the level, elementary, middle school, high school?
01:24:13
We do have it in that.
01:24:15
Does it stay proportionate to what the total is, or does it, can you identify, oh, this is really an issue at the elementary level, or, you might not.
01:24:22
I haven't looked at it from that perspective, Ned, but I will.
01:24:24
I don't know if that makes sense to look at, but I know we get people back at the high school level sometimes.
SPEAKER_16
01:24:29
Yeah, let me look at it from that perspective.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:24:33
It would be so easy to think, well, the 7,000 new building units in Crozet of course means that there are all those new people, but there may be a whole lot more to it.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:24:40
Yeah, so that's why it'd be great to know.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:24:42
A lot of new people.
01:24:43
Thank you everyone.
01:24:44
We are going to stand up for five minutes before we, when we change cycles here, so school board folks, thank you so much for coming, and we have homework to do.
SPEAKER_04
01:24:51
Excellent report.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:25:08
Everyone please put your mics on again so we can begin to participate and we will turn our capital investment improvements program discussion over to who's going to intro.
01:25:19
Lori's going to lead us off and Bill and Jeff and Trevor and Holly.
01:25:26
We're overloaded with information here today.
01:25:28
Thank you, Lori.
SPEAKER_05
01:25:30
Madam Chair and members of the board, I'm Lori Alshouse, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget.
01:25:35
I'm going to open this CIP conversation today.
01:25:39
We do have a lot of people in the room that are here to help us.
01:25:42
I just want to thank Holly Biddle here to my right.
01:25:46
She has stepped in to take up the reins of the CIP modeling and a lot of the work on the budget.
01:25:52
this last year when Lindsay Harris, who's out in the audience, has done so much for us over the years.
01:25:59
She has moved on to work with the school division and so we picked it up and we had some help with Lance Stewart from Trevor's Operations jumped in and of course our Kelsey Lofton has been playing a strong role in this.
01:26:13
I want to thank everybody for their work.
01:26:15
I always start with this slide just to kind of the marching along slide.
01:26:19
Today's March 1st and we did just talk with the school division about their budget and now we're going to talk about CIP and debt.
01:26:27
Today's desired outcomes is we're gonna provide you with an overview of the 19 to 23 CIP.
01:26:35
And the CIP is the Capital Improvement Plan, which is a plan.
01:26:39
What you really are gonna be approving when you get to the appropriation and get to the final action here is the first year of that plan, which is called the Fiscal Year 19 Capital Budget.
01:26:49
So we're gonna talk a little bit about both today.
01:26:52
We're going to review with you some recommended CIP projects.
01:26:56
discuss potential referendums.
01:26:59
The oversight committee spent a lot of time thinking about referendums or a couple referendums ahead and we wanted to share some information with you to see what you think about it.
01:27:09
We're gonna also do some consideration of resources and talk a little bit about some resource needs ahead.
01:27:15
We're gonna review debt management information just very briefly and then we're gonna talk a little bit about our preparation for your next meeting on March 5th.
01:27:25
and what we're gonna do, we're gonna do this as kind of a team tag operation with Bill and I.
01:27:32
Bill's gonna take the next set of slides and then I'm gonna pick up and then Bill and I talked about it as almost like a work session jazz.
01:27:39
We'll be just both working together and improvise and improvise and work together also with some folks who may be stepping up to the microphone that have more information than we do.
01:27:50
All right, Bill.
SPEAKER_15
01:27:51
Okay, thank you, Glory.
01:27:53
Madam Chair, Bill Latire, Deputy County Executive.
01:27:57
I thought it would be helpful before we get into the details of all the projects for me just to provide a bit of an overview or perspective on the overall CIP plan and the fiscal year capital budget just for your benefit.
01:28:14
I do want to say first of all that it differs from plans that we've seen in the past and certainly last year's plan significantly in a number of different ways and I'm going to try to touch on what some of those major important changes are.
01:28:29
As we'll see, there's also a number of options and decision points that will be involved in this so that we're looking today for your thoughts, your input, and in some cases, direction as to how you'd like to go so that we're prepared and we come back with a plan that meets your needs.
01:28:50
I do want to say that we see this as a conversation at this point.
01:28:54
It's the beginning of one.
01:28:56
Obviously, the CIP is a plan.
01:28:58
It's a document that could change.
01:29:02
The capital budget certainly is something that you have to adopt, but it is also driven by a lot of what we do in the plan, so it's important to be thoughtful about that.
01:29:13
So in terms of how it's different, first of all, based on the oversight committee's work and recommendations, this is quite a larger plan than we've seen.
01:29:24
Last year, a five-year program was 177 million.
01:29:30
This proposed project plan is over 294 million.
01:29:36
So substantial change, a paradigm, if you will, in terms of the magnitude of what we're doing.
01:29:42
So it sets forth a requirement, I think, for us to be particularly careful as to how we go about this plan over the five years to ensure that we are both presenting a reasonable plan of what's needed as well as maintaining our AAA status.
01:30:05
The proposed plan involves a referendum that we're talking about for fiscal year 18.
01:30:13
And both of what we have proposed is the consideration of including the high school capacity project.
01:30:20
And that, of course, is one of the major changes that came about this year.
01:30:24
It's approximately a $90 million program.
01:30:27
And we're gonna talk more about what the details of that are and how it's phased in the program.
01:30:31
The other potential for the referendum would be a series of quality of life projects.
01:30:39
Trevor and others will talk about what the details of those are, but here too, there's some options for you to think about.
01:30:45
Do we do the referendum in November of 18, or do we defer it?
01:30:52
Even if you do the referendum, there's decisions about when do we actually implement those projects, which as you know, once approved,
01:30:59
You have almost eight years to decide exactly how you do that.
01:31:04
The other thing I would mention is that we have included funding that supports the storm water program.
01:31:12
And as you know, we've been having a number of discussions about storm water utility.
01:31:18
This program assumes that the responsibilities for the cost side of that program are included in the capital fund.
01:31:26
and secondly that the extent of that program is as per the service level that you've talked about.
01:31:36
That is the expanded gray infrastructure, green infrastructure program.
01:31:41
So that's all included.
01:31:43
You could decide of course that you want to provide revenues through a utility.
01:31:48
That too can happen.
01:31:49
Or you can decide to phase the program in different ways.
01:31:52
And we'll talk more about that in a minute.
01:31:58
As proposed, we anticipate that additional resources will be required in fiscal year 20.
01:32:11
As you recall, we did a bond referendum in 2016, which involved $35 million of projects.
01:32:19
That anticipated the need in 19 for, I think it was $1.3 million, or $1.3 increase in taxes to support that program.
01:32:28
because of our ability to infuse one-time monies this year and the fact that we've had better than expected revenues and those monies too are going into the capital fund, we feel like we can defer that tax rate for another year.
01:32:46
But this plan does require a fiscal year 20 tax increase and I'll talk about the details of that in a minute.
01:32:55
As it is a very large plan, as I've said, one of the things we keep our razor focus on is keeping our AAA.
01:33:04
And especially important as we get to the point of a $300 million program, which involved a great deal more debt, we have to be particularly cautious about how we financially manage the programs.
01:33:16
So one of the things that this program does is it increases the amount of PAYGO.
01:33:22
which is a steady and fine stream of income that's going into the capital fund that supports cash and our equity position.
01:33:35
The other important improvement that we've made this year is to incorporate the idea of spend plans.
01:33:40
The budget office and facilities have been working very closely to look at, well, how will these projects actually occur over time?
01:33:50
When will we actually need the cash to be able to pay out these projects?
01:33:55
That's important because it changes how you issue debt and it enables us to manage it very carefully so that you're not issuing debt too soon or too late and it also enables us to perhaps change the frequency of how we borrow.
01:34:13
And that's the third item I'll mention.
01:34:15
We're going to incorporate the idea of doing short-term borrowing.
01:34:19
And if we do that, again, we can get on this every other year cycle of issuing major debt.
01:34:25
And that's really important because, you know, as you can imagine, the staff effort that goes into doing a large issue is quite substantial.
01:34:36
There are operating impacts as we go to such a large budget.
01:34:40
It's not just the execution of all these projects, but it's the staff time to finance people, everybody else that has to be involved in paying all of these bills through the programs.
01:34:52
We're still evaluating some of these impacts.
01:34:55
I just want you to be aware that we've not fully identified those, but we'll continue to work on it.
01:35:04
We can go to the overview.
01:35:05
This provides just a graphic representation of the total program.
01:35:59
There we go.
01:36:02
So again, this is just a graphic representation of both the revenues and expenditure side.
01:36:08
What is noteworthy here is that we are planning to borrow revenues of approximately 70 percent through borrowed proceeds.
01:36:20
General Fund transfers, and that's again that pay-go component in large part is at 14.7%.
01:36:27
And then there's other local and state revenues, there's proper revenues and there's use of fund balance.
01:36:35
On the expenditure side, 50% of what's planned over the five years is for the school division.
01:36:42
and obviously a major component of that is the new high school program, capacity program and improvements that are associated with that and we'll talk more about that in detail.
01:37:00
Yes, yes, thank you.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:37:03
The pay-go is really cash.
01:37:05
Yes, it is.
01:37:06
We know that, but I just wanted to make sure people that were listening understood that that's another word for cash.
01:37:12
Thank you.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:37:13
Infusions of cash.
01:37:15
And Bill, I'm sorry.
01:37:16
I must have missed this.
01:37:18
In our budget book, the $294 million and then in our budget book, it has the $333 million.
01:37:24
What's the?
SPEAKER_15
01:37:26
If you can hold that thought, when I get to the model, the presentation of the budget model and the expense model, I'll be able to explain that to you.
01:37:32
Thank you.
SPEAKER_14
01:37:34
Bill, can I just ask for a point of clarification?
01:37:37
What you're showing us here is the end result in fiscal year 23, cumulatively, because these figures differ from what the fiscal year 19 recommended capital budget.
01:37:51
This is the five-year plan.
01:37:52
This is the cumulative five-year plan.
01:37:54
Correct.
01:37:54
Correct.
01:37:55
OK.
01:37:55
So I just want to remind us all that that's different than what we've not seen this five-year plan.
01:38:03
I could not find it in the packet, so this is new today.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:38:08
What is page 250?
01:38:10
Isn't that?
SPEAKER_15
01:38:12
Well, we're going to talk both today about the total CIP, which is the five-year plan, and then Laura's going to focus in on the capital plan, capital budget, which is what you have seen in your books.
SPEAKER_14
01:38:25
But we're only making a decision today.
01:38:27
The inflection point is fiscal year 19's budget.
01:38:32
That's correct.
01:38:33
Right.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:38:33
Thank you.
01:38:35
Based upon the five-year plan.
01:38:36
Yes, based on that.
SPEAKER_15
01:38:41
So again, that just gives you a general sense for over the five-year period where the projects are occurring.
01:38:49
Let me talk a little bit about revenues just briefly.
01:38:57
As I've mentioned, PAYGO, or cash, is an important aspect of what we're doing.
01:39:02
We're trying to get back to our policy.
01:39:05
As I'll explain in the model in a moment, this does that.
01:39:09
This gets us back to that at least 3% number that we wanted to get to all these years.
01:39:16
particularly important.
01:39:18
I do want to acknowledge David Rose from Davenport is here.
01:39:24
As you all know, Davenport financial advisors really help us a lot with developing these programs and keeping us in line.
01:39:34
So I want to thank David for being here.
01:39:37
Yousa borrowed proceeds.
01:39:40
As you can see, this anticipates that the major borrowing for debt issues will occur in fiscal year 19, 21, and 23.
01:39:48
So we're there again, that sort of staggered year.
01:39:52
And then we'll do short-term borrowing in between.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:39:55
Are the process costs for the short-term borrowing so small that it makes sense to do it instead of just adding that $16 million onto the 2019 issuance?
01:40:05
That's right.
SPEAKER_15
01:40:05
We would expect to establish with the local bank a line of credit, if you will.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:40:11
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_15
01:40:12
So it just allows us to draw it immediately without hardly any, once you've established that.
01:40:18
So it's a good process.
01:40:21
As I've mentioned, the plan does assume a 2018 referendum for both the high school and the collection of quality of life projects.
01:40:30
That too, as I've said, could be adjusted.
01:40:34
As I've mentioned as well, we have been able to infuse some undesignated year-end funds, $7.7 million as Laurie had explained to you last week,
01:40:45
as a result of fiscal year 17's operation.
01:40:48
That has put us in a good position in cash wise so that we were able to defer the tax rate increase for 19.
01:40:59
All right, let's see, expenditure.
SPEAKER_14
01:41:01
That does make a total of 8.2 million?
SPEAKER_15
01:41:04
Yes.
SPEAKER_05
01:41:04
Yes, along with the fiscal year 18, we're actually recommending moving some unexpected revenue that came in in the current year.
01:41:15
and we have identified it, it has been, it's not included in any of the revenue projections and we thought given being as nimble as we can, let's go ahead and move that to capital right now as well.
01:41:28
which brings us to the 8.2.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:41:31
If we did a 2018, excuse me, a 2018 referendum, we'd have to make that decision pretty soon.
SPEAKER_15
01:41:41
We'd have to get... Laurie will talk through the process and decision points.
SPEAKER_14
01:41:47
Could I just ask Bill while we're at this page,
01:41:52
If we look for an $8.2 million of infusion of unexpected additional revenues and positive variance out of fiscal year 17, will the PAYGO transfer a 3%?
01:42:14
What is the expected start date of the 3%?
01:42:21
Are we substituting the $8.2 million for PAYGO in the coming fiscal year under what you're going to be proposing here today?
01:42:31
And if so, when then does PAYGO begin at a desired goal of transferring 3%?
SPEAKER_15
01:42:40
We're going to start that in 19.
01:42:42
Let me get to the model, the cash model.
01:42:44
I think that might make it clearer as we go through that.
01:42:49
So just very quickly here then on the expenditure side, I just wanted to mention overall the plan continues to fund all our mandates and obligations and importantly keep up with our maintenance programs to continue to not be in a position of having deferred maintenance.
01:43:05
It's very important.
01:43:06
It does incorporate the Oversight Committee's recommendation and there were some changes made following that work of the Oversight Committee which includes adding the Ivy Recycling Centers.
01:43:18
It adjusts the timing of, we did adjust the timing or proposed to adjust the timing of the quality of life referendum projects.
01:43:24
The oversight committee was suggesting that perhaps we get underway with those as early as 19.
01:43:30
In order for us to mitigate the additional resources required, we have proposed that those get deferred to 20.
01:43:41
But again, that is a decision point that we talk about.
01:43:47
It does assume that we have ongoing funding for ACE.
01:43:51
There's $500,000 a year each of the last four years of the five-year plan.
01:43:58
19 is accommodated with existing revenues.
01:44:06
So what you see before you is what we call our budget model.
01:44:12
And this is the way that we look at what projects would be
01:44:17
appropriated, and then where those funding sources would come from.
01:44:22
And as you know, when you appropriate a project, you identify that part of it will be funded with bar proceeds.
01:44:32
So you authorize a borrowing resolution.
01:44:35
But we don't actually do it that year.
01:44:38
It happens as the project unfolds.
01:44:40
So this is just the budget look, and again, gives you an idea where all the funds come from and then where they go.
01:44:48
The next model.
01:44:51
is more of our financial model.
01:44:53
This tells you a little bit more directly what resources are required to fund that program that you've approved.
01:45:02
And the first line is, of course, the debt service.
01:45:06
And that's like the check that you write for your mortgage.
01:45:09
That's what's cash is actually going to be needed to make those debt service payments on this program.
01:45:16
The second line is the PAYGO or cash infusion that's going in.
01:45:21
and again this is where we seek to improve the amount that's going into our equity component to achieve our policy, which this does.
01:45:34
The lower part of this chart demonstrates the additional resources that would be required to support this program beyond that which we expect.
01:45:47
So we of course calculate what we think will be additional revenues from natural growth.
01:45:54
We look at what we think we can contribute during the year for cash from ongoing revenues, but additional resources will be required beyond that.
01:46:03
In 20, for example, we would need an additional $5.7 million to accommodate the capital program for schools and local government.
01:46:13
In addition to that, we would need another $2.9 million to support the water resources program.
01:46:20
Now again, if we had a water resource utility, that might be different.
01:46:25
Or you could decide, I don't want to do all of those water resource or to that level, we can phase it or do less of a program.
01:46:34
and then onward.
01:46:36
You have 8.6 million total in 20 and 12.2 million in 21, et cetera.
01:46:43
The next slide says that, well, if this was true, what, for example, might be, how might that relate to tax rate increases?
01:46:54
This suggests that for accommodating that additional money, three cents on the tax rate would be required in 20.
01:47:03
If we add then the stormwater component, that's another penny and a half for a total of 4.5 cents.
01:47:09
And then an additional two cents in 21, an additional two cents in 22.
01:47:16
Again, based on the proposal, based on all of the, what's included in the project.
01:47:23
So I guess I just wanted to give you that sort of broad overview.
01:47:27
We're gonna get now into the details of those projects and we can come back and talk about how those might be adjusted and what impacts those might have.
01:47:38
Why don't we move forward?
01:47:40
Unless there are questions at this point.
01:47:41
I know that's a lot of material to cover.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:47:43
So in the empty fiscal year 19 box, where in the CIP discussions there was a 1.3 or 1.4, that's empty now because of the increased revenue which has come in due to our prosperous numbers in this particular year.
SPEAKER_15
01:47:58
Yes, two things.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:47:58
One is a better... We don't want people to forget that.
01:48:00
When they voted for the referendum, this was advertised that this was going to cost you X.
01:48:05
and that cost has been absorbed at this moment into this new revenue.
SPEAKER_15
01:48:11
Just for this one year.
01:48:12
Just for this one year.
01:48:13
Because all the debt that's associated with all those projects is still out there and we will need revenue sources to come across.
01:48:22
Right.
01:48:22
So it's a one-time solution for 19.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:48:25
Well, I just don't want people to forget that that's where some of that money came from.
SPEAKER_05
01:48:31
All right, what I'm gonna do now is move through
01:48:34
the CIP projects.
01:48:36
Again, we're talking about the five year plan.
01:48:38
So each of these slides are going to be looking at what's in the CIP, what's in your five year plan ahead.
01:48:44
And we do it by the same type of conceptual areas as we do in the operating budget.
01:48:52
So I've always liked this slide.
01:48:55
It kind of tells you where you are in the process.
01:48:57
And I do want to emphasize the oversight committee did a lot of work to get us to this place.
01:49:01
So did everyone before that.
01:49:03
You can see from August is when this process begins for the CIP.
01:49:07
And there's a lot of involvement along the way with a lot of committees.
01:49:10
and a lot of study and a lot of information.
01:49:13
And so the arrow is where you are today, and we have moved through all of these processes to bring you to this point.
01:49:20
So I'm gonna start with the first category, and it is judicial.
01:49:26
And there's one main project in the judicial category, as you all are aware.
01:49:31
It's a court facilities addition renovation.
01:49:33
and this particular CIP has an updated cost from the last one last year and the cost reduced by 2.5 million dollars and that was due to the changes and I believe it's called option one that the board heard about in December.
01:49:52
And I'm gonna just keep moving and if you have a question please bring it up.
01:49:56
The public safety category
01:49:59
The way these are set up, by the way, because now we're going to get into some categories that have more than one project.
01:50:06
What's on the left side, which is in the lighter blue, are some existing projects.
01:50:10
And as you know with the CIP, it just doesn't all begin at fiscal year 19.
01:50:14
We are carrying forward projects from the past, but we always have this multi-year
01:50:19
most projects take more than one fiscal year so you have some that are existing that we're going to actually still be working on in fiscal 19 and sometimes beyond and then we have in the darker blue side is some of the newer items some new projects some new things that are introduced into the CIP so we wanted to give you some examples on the left of some of your existing projects it's not all of them
01:50:38
they're in your book by the way we have a description of each of the projects in your capital chapter but this left side is just some highlights of a couple of them and then on the right are some of the ones that are new that are coming into this CIP so for public safety we've broken into two slides the first one is on fire rescue and some of the existing projects that we're highlighting is the apparatus and replacement project this is an ongoing program that will be
01:51:04
continue in your CIP.
01:51:06
It provides funding for the response apparatus as described in the adopted fleet plan.
01:51:11
And there's also a mobile data computer replacement program that continues on and that basically replaces computers that are currently in the EMS units and in certain fire marshal vehicles.
01:51:23
So those are just some ongoing projects that you're going to see
01:51:26
going over the fiscal years.
01:51:28
Now over on the right side, the total at the top, basically we're letting you know that there's $16.4 million over the five years for public safety.
01:51:37
The fire rescue section of that is about $11 million.
01:51:40
And some of the new things that are included in this CIP that's before you for consideration is there's a station alerting system replacement program.
01:51:51
and that particular program replaces existing fire and EMS station alerting systems with a single system that's all connected to the 911 center.
01:52:01
So it's a program that basically streamlines and makes sure that everyone gets notified at the same time.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:52:08
I think it's been in our newer stations and this will help to phase in ones who aren't quite up to snuff yet.
SPEAKER_05
01:52:19
The second one that's new, oh did you want to speak to it?
01:52:23
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01
01:52:25
That is correct except for the Berkmar station and the Pantops station both were eliminated from the budget so this helps to catch up but also continue to
01:52:36
put them in existing stations as well.
SPEAKER_05
01:52:38
Thank you.
01:52:40
And Chief Abelson, if you want to stay there, there might be questions on the other one.
01:52:43
So please stay with us.
01:52:45
There's also a volunteer facilities maintenance pilot.
01:52:49
And some of you know that the volunteer stations, we're looking at whether or not they'll come into the CIP for replacement and improvements
01:53:00
that are real capital in nature.
01:53:02
And what we've done is a pilot to see how that'll work.
01:53:05
There's a lot of things that we need to work out around this.
01:53:07
So it is the Crozet parking lot that is the pilot that will be in this particular CIP.
01:53:16
And then the last one, and it has an asterisk by it.
01:53:19
So I want you to watch for the ones with the asterisks by it because those are the ones that are identified for this quality of life referendum.
01:53:26
So if we consider doing a referendum for some quality of life projects, this is one that's been identified by the conversation that we had with the oversight committee.
01:53:36
So the fire rescue training facility is one that's included in the referendum that you're going to be considering a little later in today's conversation.
01:53:44
Are there any questions on any of those?
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:53:46
It's probably going to sound silly, but I'm going to throw it out anyway.
01:53:50
I think what I was reading about the fire rescue training facility, I just wanted to mention that if we do do the stormwater utility fee, I anticipate that there's going to be a certain number of buildings in the rural areas that the fire department is going to be able to practice on.
01:54:08
So I just want to keep that as a thought.
SPEAKER_14
01:54:14
Lori, could I just ask you, which number was the volunteer facilities maintenance pilot out of all the CIP prioritized project requests?
01:54:27
Do you have a line number?
SPEAKER_05
01:54:28
The number that I pulled out, and I hope that I'm correct on it, is $253,000.
01:54:37
and it's, if you want to see the numbers, just to show you on page 264 and 265, it's a spreadsheet, it's kind of hard to see, it's very small, but it shows you the dollar amounts over the five years for each of the projects and then the narratives are in the chapter right behind it, the pages behind it have narratives by these functional areas for each of these items.
01:55:01
The ones that you won't see in there are the ones with the asterisks because they are in a kind of a bundled
01:55:06
Referendum project, so they're not actually listed in there yet.
01:55:11
But that's kind of how you can follow through.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:55:13
On the original project list, it's number 27.
01:55:16
So that'll help you when you go back later to work on your chapter.
SPEAKER_14
01:55:21
26 is police.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:55:23
27, fire rescue, volunteer facilities, maintenance.
01:55:25
This is my old list, maybe it's been changed, but anyway.
SPEAKER_14
01:55:29
Okay, but I just, I'm on the pages that were actually provided by the CIP Oversight Committee, and I've just added all these categories up out of the CIP Oversight Committee.
01:55:42
I came to 14.94 million with all the categories, not 16.4.
01:55:48
So if you can explain at a latter date, you needn't do it now, but just give me an idea why the discrepancy between the figures that
01:55:57
are listed and I have item numbers 18, 21, 22, 23, and 55 cited here and I've checked them all off and it adds up to five and I had five.
01:56:15
Why there's a discrepancy between 16.4 and 14.94 which is actually what was in the original CIP.
01:56:24
So something's gone up in costs.
01:56:26
I'd just be helpful to know what it was.
SPEAKER_05
01:56:28
Holly has a question.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:56:30
The Berkmar Ambulance is on your list and that's in a different category.
SPEAKER_05
01:56:34
Yeah.
01:56:35
We'll look that up for you.
01:56:36
I do know that there are some changes, as Bill noted earlier, this isn't exactly the oversight committee's recommendation.
01:56:42
We did make changes to it.
01:56:43
No, I understand.
SPEAKER_14
01:56:44
You've made changes in priorities, but the figures, I'm assuming, they should be the same.
01:56:51
So I've added five, you've cited five, we should have the same figures.
SPEAKER_12
01:56:57
Mr. Randolph, Trevor Henry, Director of Facilities and Environmental Services.
01:57:02
I support the CIP planning process through the TRC and in support of the budget office.
01:57:09
Just looking for a clarification, are you referring to the difference in what is provided as cost from what was at the oversight committee column to what is in the now county executive budget recommendation column?
01:57:23
Is that what you're referring to, sir?
SPEAKER_14
01:57:24
I'm looking at page 9 of 10 of the fiscal year 19 TRC prioritized project summary that went out to the oversight committee.
01:57:36
So it was referred to as addendum C.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:57:38
And that the CIP committee sent to the county executive who was then remade into the notebook stuff, page 264.
SPEAKER_14
01:57:45
If there have been changes, I'd just like to know.
SPEAKER_12
01:57:47
Actually, I'm looking at the county executive's budget document, which I think would help, but there are changes that occur from
01:57:57
Ms. Elshaus, if you don't mind, from the oversight committee preferred to the CIP recommendation due to the distribution of project management fees into those projects that are managed by the project management division.
01:58:14
So as we go through the planning process, Mr. Gallaway, we haven't had a chance to talk in detail about this, but our project management division and our facilities group is an internal service fund.
01:58:27
So that division, the cost of that division is funded through a billing process against the CIP and a little bit of the general fund.
01:58:36
So during the review process, we analyze the type of projects and we do an estimate of hours.
01:58:44
So as the CIP process is moving through the cycle, we'll have a block of budget, you know, five to six million dollars over five years, that is kind of a holding pattern.
01:58:56
Once that transition to the executive office's recommended budget,
01:59:02
We actually distribute those funds based on those projects that are in there.
01:59:06
So that's why often times you'll see a number change from what was at oversight to what was at county executive.
01:59:14
So we can provide those details but in many cases it's because the distribution of those, the cost of the project management.
SPEAKER_05
01:59:27
Are there any other questions on this particular category?
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
01:59:38
Let me ask this question.
01:59:39
So the point of showing us the asterisk, in this instance, the training facility, but the details, the descriptives not here.
01:59:48
So when, I don't think now's the time for me to go, wait a minute, what's the size and scope?
01:59:53
I mean, the other board members probably know that,
SPEAKER_05
01:59:56
We'll tell you a little, we have a slide later on in our slide deck that'll share some information about the price.
02:00:02
There's also a really nice source and the public can use this as well on our website if you go in through the gateway on the front page to the operating capital budget.
02:00:12
So you can just click to the left and enter in.
02:00:15
And when you get to our OMB page, there's a really nice document that has every single project and it has a link.
02:00:23
You click on it and it goes right to the actual request for that.
02:00:27
So you can get a lot of information just by drilling down.
02:00:29
It's real well done.
02:00:30
It's actually like an appendix list and it's alphabetized.
02:00:33
You can go in and do that.
02:00:35
And I can provide you an exact link to it after this meeting.
02:00:37
So you can go in and look at every detail behind every project, whether it's the referendum project or any other project on here, even past what we have the description in the book into all the requests and details.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:00:50
So I didn't miss it in the budget book.
SPEAKER_05
02:00:51
No, it's actually linked.
02:00:53
It's an electronic link on the website.
SPEAKER_01
02:00:58
The training center is in two parts.
02:01:01
There's a maintenance part of the CIP just to get the building and the facility up to standards and to keep it going while we perform this year a needs analysis working with the city of Charlottesville on a much larger scale, longer term facility.
02:01:17
So there's two different CIP initiatives you'll see later on.
02:01:21
But there's a maintenance just to maintain what we have while we plan longer term of what we're going to have in the future.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:01:27
and that longer term one seems to be more of a regional or resurfacing outside.
02:01:31
Does that become revenue generating for it?
SPEAKER_01
02:01:33
It's possible.
02:01:34
I think that's an opportunity.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:01:36
Certainly cost sharing to help.
02:01:38
The amount that's in here is the total cost, right, as opposed to a split.
02:01:42
And the trailer for the fire, the burn trailer that the CIP committee did move from the way-down list to the right-of-way list was to get us over that gap.
SPEAKER_01
02:01:50
That's correct.
02:01:51
We anticipate the building's going to be condemned and it's not worth fixing further, so we're going to recommend a trailer just to get us through this gap period.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:01:59
And the gap period, or the trailer has a lifespan of ten years, five years?
SPEAKER_01
02:02:04
Probably something like that, yes.
SPEAKER_05
02:02:06
We plan to fund that in the current year.
02:02:11
I'm going to move on to another section of public safety, the police department.
02:02:16
Again, on the left side, you'll see some existing projects, some of the multi-year projects going on.
02:02:21
They also have a mobile data computer replacement program.
02:02:25
They also have a control video camera replacement program.
02:02:28
So there's some ongoing CIP programs that will continue
02:02:31
from the past over to this new year.
02:02:35
On the right side, you can see that the police section of this total for public safety is $5.4 million.
02:02:42
And some of the new items are a community response truck replacement and an evidence processing and specialty vehicle storage design.
02:02:53
This is one that the oversight committee spent a lot of time on.
02:02:56
I'll talk about the evidence one first.
02:02:57
There's a very small amount of money in the budget.
02:03:01
It's $50,000 just to design a facility.
02:03:04
To actually build it, that money is not in the CIP yet.
02:03:08
But it's very important.
02:03:09
We had a lot of conversations, those of you that are on the oversight committee recall, about how important it is to have secure evidence storing vehicle and evidence storing facilities for the police department.
02:03:21
And this was to just start the design so that we could start moving forward to get more cost estimates.
SPEAKER_07
02:03:27
It was really almost part of the judicial system in that if we lose evidence, especially cars that are left out in the weather and that kind of thing, it can affect the outcome of various trials.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:03:40
My understanding is that the sheriff's department has a lot of equipment and vehicles spread all over the place and needs more room.
02:03:49
Question, is the police department talking with the sheriff's department?
02:03:55
Is there any effort to combine or provide space for them if they need additional space?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:04:03
Greg Jenkins is here.
SPEAKER_09
02:04:04
Thank you.
02:04:10
We have been really working with our county fire department.
02:04:22
They've got a need as well for vehicle storage for their equipment as well.
02:04:29
Right now we're trying to keep the cost down to where we can limit it to Albemarle, the police department's specialty vehicles being able to process
02:04:39
Crime scene vehicles, store asset forfeiture vehicles in there, as well as anything that the local fire rescue for Albemarle may need.
02:04:49
It will require a bigger footprint if we look at including the sheriff's office.
02:04:54
I'm not sure how much equipment they have that would have to be stored in the facility, but I think it's a possibility.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:05:02
The reason why I bring it up is that at one point I heard that they really needed about 40 more spaces for
02:05:08
Parking, but part of that was specialty equipment, and I don't know if that's ever gonna come up in our discussion of the court rehabilitation, so I, you know, if, just a thought that somebody might reach out and just see what the issue is.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:05:26
Hopefully there'll be some formal proposal that comes forward to us, that would be important to have happen.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:05:33
Thank you.
02:05:33
Talking about 40 parking spaces,
SPEAKER_05
02:05:36
Are there any questions about the community response truck replacement?
02:05:39
Is that something that?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:05:44
I don't know what it is.
SPEAKER_09
02:05:45
It's the, you know, our community response vehicle that we pull to special events or to major events trailer.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:05:54
It's the truck that actually pulls that piece behind it.
SPEAKER_09
02:05:59
And the truck that we currently have sits out in the back parking lot of the police department.
02:06:05
and I understand even as of this morning that truck's gonna require an additional $6,000, $6,500 worth of maintenance done to it because now the brake lines have all rusted out.
02:06:17
I was reading the information on the request and that vehicle's got now over 106,000 miles.
02:06:23
We bought it used.
02:06:25
It served its purpose but I think the information that I've been given from Dave Rhodes who maintains this particular equipment, it's reached its shelf life.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:06:36
That's the diminishing returns element.
SPEAKER_05
02:06:40
We'll move forward to the next category, which is public works.
02:06:47
Again, to the left, you can see some existing project highlights.
02:06:52
As you know, we do county-owned facilities maintenance and replacement.
02:06:56
There's also city-county-owned facilities maintenance and replacement.
02:07:01
And I did also want to highlight there was a window replacement project for this building, and that has been moved to fiscal year 20.
02:07:09
Over on the right side, you can see that the total for this category is $11.9 million over the five years.
02:07:16
What's new is the Ivy Recycling Convenience Center at the Ivy Materials Utilization Center.
02:07:23
And if there's any questions, Mr. Henry's here to answer anything.
02:07:34
The next category is Community Development.
02:07:37
Some highlights of some existing projects.
02:07:39
This is Places 29 small area study plan.
02:07:43
The transportation leveraging program, I just wanted to emphasize that used to be called the transportation revenue sharing program.
02:07:50
And the community development department and the transportation folks there would like to change that name and broaden it a little bit.
02:07:57
So it'll be leveraging other things other than just transportation revenue sharing.
02:08:01
So it's just a change that's going on with the state funding.
02:08:04
The title should change to reflect that.
02:08:06
and how we're going to be working forward.
02:08:07
And we do have folks from community development here that can answer some questions.
SPEAKER_07
02:08:11
So what other kinds of projects would be included in that?
02:08:15
Leveraging?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:08:23
On top.
02:08:24
Kevin, excuse me.
SPEAKER_05
02:08:27
We do.
Kevin McDermott
02:08:28
I'm the transportation planner here.
02:08:31
So the idea is that we wouldn't just be applying to the revenue sharing program with these funds.
02:08:38
We could also use them to leverage against transportation alternatives grants or smart scale grants.
02:08:45
That's really the only reason we wanted to change the name.
02:08:47
The revenue sharing program is that one specific VDOT program that we could apply for.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:08:53
And in the past, we had used the funds, the bucket of money for all those categories.
02:08:57
We just called it as if it were more narrowly described than it really was.
02:09:01
Got it.
02:09:02
Yes, we have.
02:09:04
Good.
Kevin McDermott
02:09:05
Exactly.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:09:06
Truth in lending, as they say.
02:09:07
Thank you.
SPEAKER_05
02:09:11
The last highlight, of course, is the NIFI projects.
02:09:14
There's several projects listed in your document in the community development section of all the work that's gonna be done in that program.
02:09:25
On the right side, you can see that this total is $3.7 million and you can see three projects there with asterisks, meaning that they are part of the quality of life referendum project we're gonna talk with you about later.
02:09:37
There's a recommendation for the Route 20 US 250 Intersection Improvements Project to be included, the Albemarle Bicycle Pedestrian Construction Program, and the Northtown Trail.
02:09:50
And again, we do have community development staff here in the audience if you have any questions about these.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:09:58
So the intersection improvements are beyond, I mean that's, I'm trying to differentiate what we have control over versus what would be
02:10:06
I understood.
Kevin McDermott
02:10:14
So this project was one of the highest ranking of our transportation priority projects.
02:10:20
So that's why we had submitted a CIP request.
02:10:23
For this and for any other project, our first option is to try and get state or federal funds to pay for this.
02:10:31
And that is what I'm hoping to do this year.
02:10:34
The reason we include this is we don't know if it will get funded through state or federal revenues.
02:10:41
So we keep it on here.
02:10:43
We hope...
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:10:44
The placeholders for the whole project, even if we have to pay for it ourselves.
Kevin McDermott
02:10:48
I think the idea, we didn't request funds for the entire project but the idea would be if we don't get it fully funded we could use our funds to leverage against say like a revenue sharing application.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:11:03
So a piece of it.
Kevin McDermott
02:11:06
It would complete the entire project but the county would only pay for a piece of it.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:11:11
And it enhances our chance to get the award if we put in local dollars then they fill the bucket for us.
SPEAKER_14
02:11:17
Exactly.
02:11:18
Kevin, while you were up there, would you address how the Albemarle Bicycle Pedestrian Construction Program potentially proposed as a referendum project interfaces with Hedge Row and with Biscuit Run?
02:11:32
Or is there any dimension of rural access to either one of those county parks?
Kevin McDermott
02:11:39
So the Albemarle Bicycle Pedestrian Construction Program basically is looking to fund the highest priority bicycle and pedestrian projects that we have throughout the county.
02:11:50
So we could go to any of those.
02:11:52
We do have some high priority projects.
02:11:55
that would connect to Biscuit Run.
02:11:58
I know there's some down there in the southern neighborhoods.
02:12:02
It did not look at internal improvements to those parks though.
02:12:07
This is for more of a transportation focus as opposed to a parks and rec focus.
02:12:12
Yeah, understood.
SPEAKER_14
02:12:13
Okay, thank you.
02:12:14
And hedgerow?
02:12:16
Hedgerow doesn't factor into the equation currently.
Kevin McDermott
02:12:19
I don't think we have any connections in our priority list that would make that.
02:12:23
Thank you.
SPEAKER_05
02:12:26
Okay, I'll move forward to the next category.
02:12:29
Health and Welfare, we just have two projects and most of you are familiar with this, the PVCC Advanced Technology Center site work for their technology building, the Senior Center at Belvedere contribution.
02:12:42
Total is 2.3 million for all of this.
02:12:45
Point three is for the PVCC site work.
02:12:51
Parks, Rec, and Culture, some existing project highlights.
02:12:56
We have the city, county-owned parks maintenance, county-owned parks maintenance, and Crozet parks maintenance.
02:13:03
So we have a lot of maintenance and replacement efforts going on.
02:13:08
And what's new in the 19 to 23 CIP are several with the asterisks.
02:13:15
The first one, though, is Moore's Creek Trail and Trailhead Park project.
02:13:20
Parks athletic fields improvements, which would be in the referendum.
02:13:24
Garden Tow Park athletic field improvements in the referendum.
02:13:27
and Hedge Row Property Trail Park in the referendum.
02:13:31
And I know Mr. Schickenberger is here in the audience that can answer any questions you might have.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:13:39
And when we say parks athletic field improvements, does that include fields at schools or does that not include fields at schools?
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:13:47
Here comes Bob.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:13:55
When I found the link.
SPEAKER_05
02:13:57
Did you find it?
02:13:58
It's good, isn't it?
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:14:00
I did.
02:14:01
So it looks like it is at schools.
SPEAKER_13
02:14:03
Madam Chair, members of the board, Bob Krickenberger, Director of Parks and Recreation.
02:14:09
The request for the parks athletic field improvement, we identified what we feel from experience, those fields that get received the most use.
02:14:21
Not all of them are on elementary school.
02:14:25
With this project, we have identified synthetic turf and lighting on two fields at Hollymead,
02:14:33
two fields at Henley, two at Western Albemarle, and one at Crozet Park.
02:14:41
And again, with the exception of Crozet Park, we're also requesting that those fields be lit.
02:14:48
And by lighting the fields, and with synthetic turf, you increase the playing opportunities by at least three hours a day per field.
02:15:00
which over the course of the year is well over 1,300 hours of additional practice and play.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:15:10
So between now and the referendum in the fall the study committee will happen to figure out exactly what kind of
02:15:20
items would be
02:15:42
Make sure we're getting the very best materials for safety.
SPEAKER_13
02:15:45
Absolutely, and there's new technology since the field that was installed three, four, five years ago.
02:15:52
2009.
02:15:53
Yeah, we will certainly explore that.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:15:54
Thank you.
SPEAKER_07
02:15:56
I just would like to break up another issue related to Darden Tow Park.
02:16:01
I think Bob knows what I'm going to say.
02:16:04
That the pickleball courts that were supposed to be built in one sense a year or so ago as part of the Tenants Court Rehabilitation as a maintenance project that kind of slipped away for various reasons.
02:16:20
They were not added to the capital improvement budget but part of the issue there is that there's water issues and so the $380,000 estimate, which is way more than it really costs to build them,
02:16:39
was due to some of the drainage issues that had to be added to that which doesn't seem completely reasonable so that it should be all assigned to that one small project.
02:16:52
So somehow I'd like to suggest that maybe as part of the Darden Tow work that we could
02:17:00
I'm not exactly sure what the right way to do it is, but I don't think we've gotten a firm estimate on just what building the two sets of pickleballs are.
SPEAKER_13
02:17:13
That was part of the delay from our last discussion with the Dardan Tower Committee and then the pickleball community.
02:17:18
We had preliminary cost after we really got our hands into the weeds, literally.
02:17:24
It was determined that our cost estimates were way too low.
02:17:29
Water Street Studios provided cost estimates and the storm water, and that's where that $380,000 comes coming from.
02:17:37
For the two batteries, of course, the additional 24 parking spaces, sidewalks, curb and guttering, and the storm water management.
02:17:47
Plus the grading, because if you remember, they're on quite an elevation.
02:17:50
And to get the two batteries, of course,
02:17:53
So a lot of excavation in there to settle that area, but it creates more of a storm water management issue.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:18:00
So all that storm water management is related to that parking lot and those eight courts?
SPEAKER_13
02:18:07
It will be, yes.
02:18:09
In addition, currently we are in compliance, but with the addition of those two batteries of court, we add a lot of additional runoff that needs to be managed properly.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:18:21
So it's, I guess what I'm trying to say is that additional, we're in compliance now, are all the storm water concerns associated with the pickleball and the parking lot, or is it somehow adding on to,
02:18:44
the existing issues.
SPEAKER_13
02:18:46
No, it's all related to the pickleball.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:18:48
And the pickleball community did raise the money to pay for the study.
02:18:54
Is that correct?
SPEAKER_13
02:18:55
They did.
02:18:56
But it's our understanding that they have exhausted all of their fundraising efforts and basically turned it back over to the county and city.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:19:04
I think they're still doing their fundraising.
02:19:06
My understanding is that they are still.
02:19:07
They are still.
SPEAKER_13
02:19:08
They did the $6,000.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:19:09
You have information that I don't.
02:19:11
They need to provide that too.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:19:16
I think it's one of those things where
02:19:21
where there is a growing community out there of people who want to play this and there's no public courts to play it.
SPEAKER_13
02:19:31
They are currently playing at Piedmont, PVCC.
02:19:35
The city has some courts and we offer them some
02:19:38
Jim Space, that's some of the PE classes, and the pickleball community themselves are currently using.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:19:43
And Penn Park all the time.
SPEAKER_13
02:19:45
And Penn Park.
02:19:46
Now I just want to remind, the request is in the capital, it hasn't been recommended.
02:19:52
It's in the park enhancements, not in the city county maintenance, because it is a non-maintenance project.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:19:58
And your Dardentau study is going to be taking all of this into consideration?
SPEAKER_13
02:20:03
The actual location of the pickleball court and approval has been approved by the Dardentau committee.
02:20:11
It's been approved for courts there.
02:20:12
It's just the funding now is not in place.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:20:15
So that's not waiting for the new Dardentau master plan update, whatever that is.
02:20:20
Thank you.
SPEAKER_07
02:20:21
Just as one last thought about that, there's over 100 tennis courts in Albemarle County, public and private, not including the UVA ones.
02:20:30
And at this point, there's half a dozen or so pickleball courts all on, I think, except for the one you just said.
02:20:41
I forget which gymnasium has pickleball.
02:20:45
DBCC, they have some and two private clubs.
02:20:51
So there is a tremendous imbalance between the amount of tennis available to people and pickleball.
SPEAKER_05
02:21:01
This could be an item that you could add to your list and as we go into the next conversation we could talk about it further or whatever you'd like to do.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:21:09
I think Denise has a place to talk about it.
SPEAKER_13
02:21:14
It's already been identified in the needs assessment for those types of facilities and it didn't rank very high.
SPEAKER_07
02:21:23
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing, too.
02:21:25
If people can't be exposed to it, they're not as likely to say, I want a pickleball court, if they've never seen it or played it.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:21:33
Good point.
02:21:35
Yeah, I think the issue, too, is it's very conducive to older people.
02:21:42
It's kind of an older person.
02:21:44
There's a lot of younger people playing it, too.
SPEAKER_13
02:21:46
I understand.
02:21:47
Well, that's how it originally started.
02:21:48
Yeah.
02:21:48
Senior citizens, but now all age groups.
02:21:51
You don't have to run too far.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:21:53
That's my game.
SPEAKER_05
02:21:57
Is there anything else?
02:21:58
Thank you, Bob.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:21:59
Yeah, I have Bob, and if you don't know this, this is fine.
02:22:04
I was just glancing the material online about the turf, a lot of these would be turf fields versus grass fields and the benefit of that.
02:22:13
In that whole analysis, obviously in Quickly Perusing didn't see, is there actual dollar savings in the long term?
SPEAKER_13
02:22:19
There are, I don't have that available with me.
02:22:22
Well, let me refresh.
02:22:24
It depends on what reports you read.
02:22:27
There are multiple reports out there that say there's a tremendous amount of cost savings.
02:22:31
There are others that say that there is not as much of a large cost savings.
02:22:35
I've got some information, I just don't have it available.
02:22:38
We want to have it shared.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:22:39
I was just reviewing the item that's on the online site that Lorie mentioned.
02:22:43
My point, if there is actual dollar savings, and this is going to be on a public bond referendum, that's an important story.
SPEAKER_13
02:22:52
I agree and we would certainly provide you with that information in regards to what our current annual maintenance for athletic fields, what the cost for the turf fields themselves would be, and what the potential long-term savings would be.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:23:06
If there's actual dollar savings, that could go to the other grass fields that remain grass for maintenance as a way to help.
SPEAKER_13
02:23:12
Even the synthetic turf fields on the locations that I've mentioned,
02:23:17
The cool grass turf field will benefit because they will not get as much play and as much impact.
SPEAKER_05
02:23:27
Okay, thank you, Bob.
SPEAKER_13
02:23:27
Thank you.
SPEAKER_05
02:23:29
I'm gonna move this forward.
02:23:30
We have about 20 minutes left before six o'clock today.
02:23:33
We've been pretty well, the last two meetings is staying on target, but I think we may have to continue this.
02:23:39
That's okay.
02:23:39
Next meeting, but we wanna make sure you have all your answers, all your questions.
02:23:44
This next category is technology and GIS.
02:23:47
Highlights of a couple existing projects that we have a county server infrastructure upgrade project, which is an ongoing project to
02:23:56
to fund technology initiatives including server switches, routers, disk storage, application packages, et cetera.
02:24:05
And then there's also an increased redundant internet services project to increase that for the county.
02:24:14
The total amount of money for this category is $3 million in the five years.
02:24:23
This category is a category of its own.
02:24:26
It's the ACE program.
02:24:30
This has $2 million over the five years for the ACE program, $500,000 per year starting in fiscal year 20, and the carry-forward funding that would support the program costs in fiscal year 19.
02:24:45
This category is water resources.
02:24:48
You have some existing projects on the left, Hollymead Dam Spillway,
02:24:52
also the water quality mandated TMDL program.
02:24:57
And then on the right, first it's $12.6 million for this whole category for the five years and you see a drainage infrastructure maintenance repair program.
02:25:07
new in fiscal year 19 to 23, the water quality non-mandated TMDL program, and I've been told that's mainly the rural areas, and that's stream restoration, and then a mint spring dam spillway improvement project.
02:25:23
As Bill mentioned earlier, there's funding in the fiscal year 19 capital budget, the one that you have to approve as part of your budget, to start the drainage of infrastructure maintenance and repair program, one year of it,
02:25:35
as well as one year would handle the first year of this.
02:25:40
Of course, it would be expanded in the out years based on your green and gray infrastructure.
02:25:45
Thoughts on that?
02:25:49
This category is schools.
02:25:52
It's 149 million dollars over the 19 to 23 time frame.
02:25:57
You have some existing projects going on.
02:25:59
You have both administrative and instructional technology replacement program.
02:26:05
That's an ongoing program that you'd see.
02:26:07
You also have a school bus replacement program that's ongoing.
02:26:10
And the school buildings maintenance and replacement much like the county owned projects that's ongoing.
02:26:15
So there's a lot of
02:26:17
resources appropriately provided to maintain and replace existing buildings and equipment.
02:26:24
On the right side, the high school capacity and improvements project.
02:26:29
which is currently estimated around 90 million dollars.
02:26:33
Also learning space modernization, Scottsville Elementary School additions and improvements.
02:26:39
And you can see the asterisk is beside all three of those.
02:26:43
We believe all three of those could be appropriate for a referendum.
02:26:47
And we do have folks here still from the schools if you have any specific questions.
SPEAKER_14
02:26:53
And Lori, just to reinforce that the Scottsville improvements are to deal with the increased enrollment as a result of the closure of Yancey.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:27:04
Maybe this is a really broad question to try and answer, but the learning space modernization, with the last referendum that was approved, we had modernization listed.
02:27:21
and I just want to make sure that there's not confusion when we deal with this that, didn't we already do that?
02:27:32
I don't know who wants to maybe just, and we don't really need to go down into a lot of detail right now, but I do think we have to be careful because we're talking about different projects and anyway.
02:27:48
Make sure you introduce yourself and thank you for coming up.
Rosalyn Schmitt
02:27:52
My name is Rosalind Schmidt.
02:27:54
I'm Director of Planning and Budget with the school system.
02:27:57
I think that's a great point that we've made some tremendous progress with our modernization program, but the projects of the last referendum were at the start.
02:28:04
You know, 10 million dollars investment into 26 schools is not, is important, but it's just the kind of scraping the edges of it.
02:28:12
So that project there would be a continuation of it.
02:28:16
Lesson learned in that last referendum project, that was the project we probably had the most difficult explaining, so we're working this spring on putting a pretty robust website on it, documenting projects that have been completed.
02:28:28
I think the visuals of it will help it pretty dramatically, but it is, I would not say a different project, it is a continuation.
02:28:34
Okay.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:28:35
I just want to make the point that we really need to carefully, and I know you guys are, but every time I see that I want to make sure I say,
02:28:42
You know, we did some modernization, but we have a lot more to do.
02:28:46
And it's great to hear you're doing a website update for it.
02:28:50
That's great.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:28:50
So this line here, the $121,000, that refers to the referendum project as one part of an implementation or a design for a particular item.
02:28:58
And maybe I'm just looking at the wrong place.
02:29:00
So I don't know.
02:29:01
Somebody can direct me later.
SPEAKER_05
02:29:02
The referendum projects are not described in detail, except for the high school project is included in there.
02:29:08
The other ones on the quality of life ones are on that website.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:29:12
Okay, this must be something else and I'll find out.
02:29:15
Thank you.
SPEAKER_14
02:29:16
Okay, can I ask Rosalind while you're up there, I am on the fiscal year 19 recommended budget, page 293, so I'm not looking at the CIP, original oversight committee budget, but totaling items 52, 53, 54 included in there, my addition comes to a figure
02:29:42
of $137.027 million.
02:29:47
So what is the driver behind a $12 million increase in just a month and a half?
02:29:55
Or the drivers, plural.
02:29:58
I'm looking at items high school capacity and improvements number 52 on page 293 item number 53 learning space modernization 2016 referendum project
02:30:13
and 54 Scottsville Elementary School additions and improvements.
02:30:18
The three of them clustered together reach a total of 137.027 million and yet the figure here for the total is 149.
02:30:30
So I'm missing 12 million.
Rosalyn Schmitt
02:30:33
I'm assuming that's our existing projects, which would be our maintenance replacement, technology, and school bus replacement.
SPEAKER_14
02:30:38
Okay, so the existing projects are included in there.
02:30:41
That's what I'm assuming, yeah.
02:30:42
Yeah, okay, good.
02:30:43
Okay, terrific, thank you.
02:30:47
I know I'm going to hear about this from constituents, so I want to try to get the information.
02:30:51
No, it's good to find out.
02:30:51
Thank you.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:30:52
Yeah, it's good to go through it, and then you have your answers.
Rosalyn Schmitt
02:30:55
And if I could make one clarifying point, you made a comment on the Scottsville project and if that was in response to the additional students at Yancey.
02:31:02
I do want to emphasize that's part of the story, but we've requested this project in the past.
02:31:08
They have a pretty stable population and have
02:31:10
pretty historically used trailers for art and music.
02:31:14
The additional students provided some added stress and increased priority to that.
02:31:19
The other piece of that project is it's an expansion of their gym.
02:31:23
Scottsville and Red Hill both have very small gyms.
02:31:25
So I don't want to make, I want to make sure that the story of that project is not directly connected to UNC.
SPEAKER_14
02:31:29
You should have put the word in mainly.
02:31:32
Yes.
02:31:32
Okay, but you're right.
02:31:33
A lot of this is residual from past year.
02:31:35
Thank you.
02:31:35
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_15
02:31:38
I guess I just want to clarify, there's been real great collaboration working with the schools and FES on this project, particularly the high school improvement project, but there's still work to be done, there's still estimate work, it came kind of late in the project, not for anyone's fault, but it just
02:31:58
It's just that it didn't go through the kind of scrutiny that we like to do, so I would just point that out that perhaps as we get into this a little bit more detail, there may be phasing adjustments, there may be cost adjustments, we just don't know at this point, but I think it's a pretty good number at the moment.
SPEAKER_14
02:32:18
Well we're on this, can I just ask one other question?
02:32:20
If in fact in the schools, if 12 million is to cover administrative and instructional technology, school bus replacement programs, school maintenance and replacement, isn't there some money set aside in the referendum to cover school maintenance and replacement?
02:32:36
This isn't modernization, this is just normal school maintenance and replacement.
02:32:41
Okay, bingo.
02:32:42
Eureka moment.
02:32:44
Eureka moment, Rick.
02:32:45
The less glamorous side of business.
02:32:48
Got it.
02:32:49
Thank you.
SPEAKER_05
02:32:49
Okay, so that was a quick view through the
02:32:57
Chapter of the different categories of CIP funding and some highlights and some of the new projects that are included in the 19 to 23 CIP.
02:33:06
We did want to just mention, and we think it's important to also mention, there was a lot of highly scored, the technical review committee scored these all in the top 15, and they're not included, so we just wanted to point that out, that there still is some pressure out there and some items that are not in the CIP.
02:33:28
I'm just going to move on.
02:33:31
The other thing that we wanted to mention is there's even items that haven't been requested yet that we, you know, we're watching, that we know that may be coming.
02:33:38
The full implementation of the community recreation needs assessment, you know, until that report comes out there might be some other items.
02:33:45
The volunteer fire rescue facilities maintenance program, there's work being done on that now and so they haven't actually requested
02:33:51
The full funding for that, but we might see some requests coming on that in the upcoming year.
02:33:58
Just the transportation-related items, I know you had conversations about that at your last work session.
02:34:03
Things might be on the horizon there, and some other transportation items that we might need to consider, and also the master plan work that's being done, if there's not full implementation built in the CIP.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:34:15
Question to lead with you.
02:34:16
During the CIP discussions, there was large support for having the master plan revisions work budgeted and made part of community development.
02:34:26
And so at some point, someone can come back and talk to us about staff response to that.
02:34:32
And it was a way to really keep them
02:34:36
in our awareness so that they didn't just always become things that got dropped to the bottom of the list because they were not public safety life and death, but they certainly are important for good decision making.
02:34:46
and so I'm not sure exactly where that is in all of this but we'll figure that out.
SPEAKER_05
02:34:50
That was a recommendation from the oversight committee.
02:34:53
I appreciate that.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:34:55
I have a question.
02:34:56
So this is this year's and we have our five-year CIP.
02:35:04
Explain to me if you would what the process would be for
02:35:11
Discussion with the board, obviously, and approval with the board, but additional recycling centers, especially given that we've just heard that the Vanderlyn thing is closing.
02:35:24
At least, we're not quite sure what's gonna happen to it, but we know that that's going out of business.
02:35:28
So I'd like to kind of understand how, obviously, that's not for this year, but it's for the coming years when we...
02:35:37
When we have the some track record on the one at IV and we want to go out and try to You know replicate that so as early as this summer.
SPEAKER_15
02:35:49
We will begin to entertain request for projects for fiscal year 20 and they will go through the normal
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:35:58
I just want to make sure that in coordinating, and Jeff and I are going to have some further conversation with Trevor about how we coordinate with Rivanna,
02:36:19
Committee, Board, getting this stuff clearly priced out and delineated into the Board for discussion in a timely manner.
02:36:33
So I want to make sure that we're communicating on that.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:36:38
So it may end up as the fifth bullet on that list.
SPEAKER_05
02:36:41
It might, yeah.
02:36:43
Okay, I'm gonna move on.
02:36:44
We have about 10 minutes left, and if you don't mind, I'll just keep on going and see how far we get today.
02:36:48
We wanted to move in right now into a discussion of this potential referendum or referendums, and you've seen some information about it through these other slides and some potential projects that could be included.
02:36:59
The High School Capacity Improvement Project and these other quality of life projects and we organized them by category.
02:37:06
So when we were looking at these in the oversight committee, we came up with four categories and that's how we grouped some of these high ranking projects in accordance with that.
02:37:18
The first one I wanted to talk about a little more, and I know you've heard some information already on it, is a high school capacity and improvement project.
02:37:26
And as Bill said, all the cost estimates haven't been fully fleshed out and looked at by Trevor's group and others, but right now it's estimated about $20 million.
02:37:36
And it's a new educational model.
02:37:54
includes two new centers.
02:37:57
The first center would begin in fiscal year 19.
02:38:00
So this is an important point in that your fiscal year 19 capital budget, if you approve the 19 budget, right now we have this additional, this beginning of the design for this project would be included in 19.
02:38:12
It's the beginning of it would be included.
02:38:15
We can go into the details of exactly what is included, but that's an important point for you to think about.
02:38:20
The design for Center 2 would begin in fiscal year 22, so it's in your CIP plan, but it's not in the actual budget that you're approving as part of your appropriation for your fiscal year 19 budget.
02:38:32
And then in addition to these two new centers, there's modernization of the existing high schools as part of this.
02:38:40
The operating impacts will start in fiscal year 22, and the current timeline is scheduled for the completion in fiscal year 24.
02:38:49
So there's a lot more.
02:38:50
There's wonderful details.
02:38:51
The schools have a lot of great information on this that they could provide additional details.
02:38:55
But that's just a summary of the project.
02:39:00
And it is 90.
02:39:04
So that was one item.
02:39:06
So we thought, wouldn't it make sense, if you're going to do that project, to put it on a referendum?
02:39:10
Because you do save money, because we're a AAA, if you put an item on a referendum.
02:39:15
And for such a large project as that, the savings could be substantial to put it on a referendum.
02:39:21
And then when we were in the oversight committee meeting, we were talking about this, and we were talking about
02:39:26
Well, what if we did a referendum, and we even talked about it, we dreamed about every two years.
02:39:29
What if we did a referendum even every two years and put this out as a bond referendum so that the voters could weigh in?
02:39:40
What we did was we thought about what criteria would we use for the projects.
02:39:45
And maybe we wouldn't just go straight down the TRC's ranking and just cut it off because quality of life can affect many areas and sometimes like a parks project doesn't score as high as maybe a public safety project.
02:39:57
So we thought of the criteria in a little different way.
02:39:59
So we thought, let's think about geographic diversity.
02:40:02
Let's think about quality of life.
02:40:05
Let's think about projects that are not mandated.
02:40:09
And we definitely want to take into account the scoring of TRC.
02:40:12
So let's look for the high scoring projects.
02:40:15
And let's think about ones that are timely, that need to move forward.
02:40:19
What are things that would be important to citizens?
02:40:22
What are some of the conditions of facilities?
02:40:24
Are we in a situation where we really need to make a change?
02:40:27
We talked about project diversity, and we thought about the board and the strategic initiatives and strategic direction of the board.
02:40:35
So those are all the concepts that we thought about.
02:40:37
And we basically bundled.
02:40:39
And that's why sometimes all the details aren't in your book right now.
02:40:42
We kind of bundled some projects together as a conversation piece.
02:40:45
And so here's the bundling.
02:40:48
And those of you that were on the oversight committee may remember this.
02:40:51
We said, well, what if we bundled it in this way?
02:40:53
And what if we had some schools projects?
02:40:56
And again, this is
02:40:59
We already considered the high school improvement projects to be a referendum item.
02:41:03
So this is the other quality of life projects.
02:41:05
So the schools would have additional learning space modernization.
02:41:09
The Scottsville Elementary School Additions and Improvements Project would be two items.
02:41:13
And again, we even talked about it as a straw man in front of the oversight committee, but we considered these real high probability items that could be considered.
02:41:23
The second category would be transportation, and then these are the three items that we grouped in the transportation category.
02:41:30
The third one would be called Community Facilities in Green Space, and you can see three projects there.
02:41:35
And then we thought about public safety and fire rescue training facility would be in that category.
02:41:42
So that's how we approached it in the oversight committee.
02:41:45
We thought about it some more after that.
02:41:46
We were going pretty fast when we were working on that, but we think that we made some good choices as a first look at what we could do with a referendum.
SPEAKER_14
02:41:53
In the oversight committee, if I may ask, I'm intrigued with the selection under public safety for fire rescue training facility.
02:42:03
I know that's a need.
02:42:04
I'm not deprecating that.
02:42:06
But on the other hand, in terms of potential liabilities for the county, there is no facility that perhaps is more important than a police training facility.
02:42:20
in the county which is actually less money.
02:42:23
We do have state of the art live fire training for police officers but in terms of instructional quality given some of the problems at Blue Ridge Community Center and the nature of the program and the
02:42:39
the higher degree of confidence that officers in the department would have if we were training our own in terms of the repertoire of responses especially to threats and how to deal with them which is the greatest vulnerability and liability for the county.
02:42:58
I just wondered why there was a selection on on fire and not police as being the first priority.
02:43:06
or potentially putting them both in there and do both of those because I don't really want to choose.
02:43:13
It's between Cain and Abel here.
02:43:16
I think both of them have a real critical need within the county to be addressed.
02:43:22
Over to Trevor again.
SPEAKER_12
02:43:24
Sure, I think I can answer that.
02:43:25
I know we have Greg Jenkins in the audience as well.
02:43:31
Lori mentioned that we did a concept of a potential grouping of referendums every two years, and so I'll get the answer to your question in a second.
02:43:41
I wanted to just note that what's listed on the screen really is reflecting what is a two-year look based on those requests.
02:43:52
So the Northtown Trail, for example, that I believe is a request that covers four years.
02:43:59
So the $800,000 that's proposed in this as part of this referendum is really just for two years.
02:44:07
I think the total request is around $4 million for that.
02:44:10
So that's part of what I think the board would have to consider.
02:44:13
Do we look at the two year piece or is it the full project?
02:44:20
That was something that we dealt with with oversight and we looked at kind of that every two year phasing.
02:44:27
And so to your question, there were two requests from police.
02:44:32
One was, let me put my glasses back on.
02:44:35
One is a satellite training academy for around $250,000 requested in year one, or FY19.
02:44:44
Then there was the larger academy that was further out.
02:44:50
We talked a lot about that interim, which really is just an expansion of training locally.
02:44:57
What police have proposed is using space over at Fifth Street that currently houses
02:45:03
our voter registration, our voter equipment.
02:45:07
And so the reason why that wasn't selected in this period was we felt that there was more work that needed to be done to better define that what that project would look like and make sure that we identify all the costs.
02:45:20
I would agree with you that if we're doing a training academy for fire rescue that maybe there is a way to add to that in a way that we could still meet that demand.
02:45:31
So we had actually, in a kind of a planning process, said, well, let's look at that police training academy, that initial one, in two years out.
02:45:42
So we considered it, but felt that the request itself and scope needed to do a little more work before it was ready to go.
SPEAKER_14
02:45:49
OK. Good enough.
02:45:50
Thank you.
SPEAKER_12
02:45:51
But I did want to just point out, too, that it's really, we were looking in two-year intervals as well.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:45:57
But the satellite intermediate step is in the list somewhere already being done.
02:46:04
The renovation of the voting machine storage and...
SPEAKER_12
02:46:07
It is not in the recommendation.
02:46:09
It was considered, you know, it was considered and thought that more work needed to be done.
02:46:15
Even on the first step.
02:46:16
Even on the first step.
02:46:17
The second step has a lot more involvement as far as actually how we would work with the Academy and whether we would get out of that or not.
02:46:24
And the chief can talk to that.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:46:26
And there's a notice thing that's years out on that anyway, so we can't really change that.
SPEAKER_14
02:46:29
Yeah, that's a substitute for blurry.
SPEAKER_12
02:46:31
But there is a good justification for some smaller training augmentation, and so it's just a matter of how we would figure that out.
02:46:41
It's a little more work to do on that, I believe.
02:46:43
Okay, good enough.
02:46:44
Thank you.
SPEAKER_05
02:46:45
So Madam Chair, it's a little after six, and I have one more slide on this referendum piece, and then one other, I'd like to talk with you a little bit about the list for the fifth, but I don't know what you'd like us to do, if you'd like to stop now.
SPEAKER_14
02:46:58
Two of us have another board meeting at seven.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:47:03
One quick question.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:47:18
So I assume that some of these projects
02:47:21
We'll get more details later.
02:47:24
I'm looking at strategic initiatives, quality of life initiatives, and thinking about aging infrastructure that's not been dealt with in the urban ring areas.
02:47:35
And some of these will reach into that.
02:47:37
I mean, we have no pocket parks.
02:47:39
We have no parks.
02:47:40
We have no green space.
02:47:42
So I'm just throwing out there that at least maybe some of these would reach into our schools or some hour or another around our aging infrastructure in the urban rings.
02:47:52
Rio and Jewett and you know.
02:47:55
I'm looking at DART and CAL and that's great I have no problem but I just want to make sure that if we're doing a referendum it's got to reach everybody.
SPEAKER_05
02:48:04
There's probably more work we should do on this.
02:48:06
Again, this is the start with the oversight committee and then if we want to move forward, we will work.
02:48:11
But let me share with you though the timeline so we would know how fast we would have to go.
02:48:15
If we would want to put this on the referendum in November 2018, it's April, it's coming right up.
02:48:24
The board would have to provide guidance as part of this budget process as to if we would like to move forward with this.
02:48:30
If the school board has projects that would be included in the referendum, they would need to request a referendum.
02:48:36
The school board would have to do a piece of work as well like they did last time.
02:48:40
In June, you would have to request a referendum and the county would file a petition.
02:48:45
and then August the court would order a special election and then November it would be held.
02:48:50
So you can see the timelines pretty quick.
02:48:52
I just wanted to mention that as we're finishing up here.
02:48:57
Is there anything else?
SPEAKER_15
02:48:59
Just to point out, of course, that period between August and November is the community education piece, the whole campaign that goes on during that period of time.
SPEAKER_05
02:49:09
All right, and so we'll pick this up if it's okay on the beginning of our March 5th meeting.
02:49:17
So we'll hold on to this.
02:49:20
We have a little bit left to work on.
02:49:22
Read it all again.
02:49:24
And then we will talk about the list as well on the 5th, and that is the day that you have to approve your proposed budget and finalize your tax rate for advertising.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:49:33
And anything you care to send us, again, an email to help us.
02:49:36
Here's the list I have so far.
02:49:38
Think about all these things so you can hammer at us over the next few days about that.
02:49:43
Thank you very much.
02:49:45
Very good.
3. From the Board: Committee Reports and Matters Not Listed on the Agenda.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:49:46
Before we go to closed meeting matters, anybody from the board have anything they want to add?
4. From the County Executive: Report on Matters Not Listed on the Agenda.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:49:52
And County Executive Knott, he's shaking his head.
5. Closed Meeting. (if needed)
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:49:55
Closed meeting person, go Ned.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:49:58
I move that the board go into a closed meeting pursuant to section 2.2.3711A of the Code of Virginia under subsection 3 to discuss and consider the disposition of real property in the city of Charlottesville related to court facilities where discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the county.
02:50:18
and under subsection 8 to consult with and be briefed by legal counsel and staff regarding specific legal matters requiring legal advice relating to the negotiation of an agreement for and the possible relocation of court facilities.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:50:34
Yes.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:50:36
Yes.
02:50:40
Yes.
02:50:41
Yes.
6. Certify Closed Meeting.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:50:49
I move that the Board of Supervisors certify by a recorded vote that, to the best of each supervisor's knowledge, only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and identified in the motion authorizing the closed meeting were heard, discussed, or considered in the closed meeting.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:07
Second.
02:51:10
Yes.
Diantha McKeel
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:12
Yes.
Liz Palmer
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:13
Yes.
Ned Gallaway
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:15
Yes.
02:51:17
Yes.
02:51:18
Yes.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:21
Thank you.
7. Adjourn to March 5, 2018, 3:00 p.m., Room 241.
Ann Mallek
Supervisor, Board of Supervisors
02:51:22
We are adjourned to Monday March 5th at 3 p.m. 241.
02:51:29
Right here.
02:51:30
Thank you everyone.