Board of Supervisors Regular Meeting   1/15/2025

We thank you for your service here today and every day and the work you and your colleagues do on behalf of our community to keep us safe.

If all present could now stand as you were able and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, and if you could now join us in a moment of silence.

Without objection, the court will call the roll.

Mr. Pruitt.

Aye.

Thank you, Board.

And we'll go through our order today for announcements by Board members starting with Supervisor Malik.

So thank you all very much.

Supervisor Pruitt.

That's all I have.

So, thank you.

Thank you.

And that's all I have.

Thank you.

I do not have any announcements.

Supervisor?

So thank you all.

Thank you.

This will be a motion read by Supervisor Malloy.

I am second.

Without objection, the clerk will call her all.

Aye.

Welcome.

Mariah can be here today so she asked me, her mother, to read her remarks.

Thank you.

Thank you again to the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Supervisor Malek.

So thank you all for what you do.

It's a whole round, Rob, and we do six individual speeches before we let you out.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Supervisor McKeel, sorry.

Sorry.

OK, I guess I'll go.

So thank you very much.

Thank you.

Supervisor Kelly.

So thank you all for being here and thank you for allowing me to share some of those thoughts.

Board.

And Supervisor McKeil, Vice Chair McKeil will read the rules and announce the speakers.

and our first speaker for today is Stuart Overby.

the Southern Albemarle districts of Samuel Miller and Scottsville to meet with us and hopefully we can get all four together with us about even two or three would be great and I hope we get that scheduled soon and thank you all again for your time.

Our next speaker is Sophie Massey.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I've heard no items to be pulled, so we have a motion to approve it.

Second.

Without objection, the clerk will call the roll.

Mr. Galloway.

Yes.

Mr. Pruitt.

Aye.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Mr. Pohl.

I'm ready if you are.

We're ready.

Thank you.

We will go through our order.

So help me with understanding the process for the installation of that critical area there.

But again, maybe the engineer can speak to that a little bit more with the experience he has with the site itself and what he anticipates maybe that would take.

So I'm just a little jumpy about the process of this.

It will be on our list to make sure we inspect now that we have this, not that we didn't have a list before, but the new one will help us with that.

So I will ask you to comment on that.

And then we can track that a lot easier.

That's all for now.

Supervisor Pruitt.

I don't believe I have any questions at this time.

Thank you.

Did I get that number right?

12.

There will be 21 connections.

I'm sorry, 21.

Some of those are, there might be two from one building.

Just wondering.

When he comes up, yeah.

And the 100 year floodplain, because I know they redid the 100 year floodplain, is that the latest one or the one from 2005?

Okay.

But if somebody sells, are the new owners obligated to keep this running?

David may be able to answer that also a little bit better for me.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate your answers.

Supervisor McKeil.

Supervisor Gallo.

meaning that if they get an operator now and for whatever reason that operator is not available to them down the road, and we're concerned that there might not be that many operators out there, how are we protecting in our conditions against that?

and I'm not sure about how long the agreements are written for, the contracts.

if there's other agreement by board members I would I would be in favor of Supervisor Malick's piece of changing for the state the owner must annually document compliance with all state operation maintenance requirements and submitted to the county engineer could you clarify that because I thought that that was the point with the new system that we could easily do that yes

We can, but it still would be needed to be stated rather as a requirement.

I should have specifically said that.

I want the applicant to just do it, not us ask for it.

But we can also set it up as a reminder if we haven't received something to ask for.

And I'm presuming with the way the conditions in here now that the applicant wouldn't have an issue with that, because they're already having to.

For the state, correct.

Thank you.

Is that my understanding?

He can explain a little bit more detail.

It's just because this is the one place where it ends up and it's not that far from flood lane and streambed, so I want to understand if I may.

So the water going to the drain field is basically as clean as it could possibly be for a system of this size.

And when it comes to the documenting compliance with all state operation and maintenance requirements, is the integrity of that system part of that process as well?

The state compliance requires that all the whole system be operating as designed.

Okay.

that are not really operated or barely operated, and then, of course, conventional systems which put out even more pollution, septic tanks, leech molds, have no maintenance or operation requirements at all.

Board, if there are no additional questions or comments, we can look to the motion.

You can't go for five years before maintaining this treatment plant.

We're not sure how long it can take between pumpings, but it's a three to five year kind of cycle because of the type of treatment system it is, and those will be pumped and taken to a treatment plant as would the septage from the septic tanks.

In the treatment plant.

I can't tell you we're going to get all the pharmaceuticals, but it's a step in the right direction.

Thank you.

that will help and then at the bottom there's a large very gentle sloped area in case anything does run off it will infiltrate before it gets anywhere near the stream.

Is there any kind of berm that's put nearer the stream?

Well we'll be putting erosion barriers down till the drain field while they're digging the trench they may put a temporary berm at the bottom of the trench.

But that may not be what you're planning to do.

It's in their best interest to keep it, you know, well vegetated, no erosion, no bare spots.

So I don't know if you can do anything to help me with that or not.

That might be better answered by our legal folks.

It's not contingent on any particular owner.

Well, Barbara better live to be 200.

It would need to be part of the deed if you sell it, that you're paying for the maintenance of that central sewage system.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I moved to adopt the resolution attached to the staff report as attachment E. Well, no, no, no.

And now you want to say, as amended, here.

Thank you second

Without objection, if the clerk will call the roll.

Aye.

Critical slopes.

Second.

We have a motion from Supervisor Malek, second from Supervisor McKeel without objection of the roll.

Mr. Pruitt.

And thank you, Mr. Paul.

I'm just trying to get at this, and I don't want to be dead horse to death here, but

Yes.

Or you don't have to remember to say to us.

Thank you for that.

Thank you.

Welcome, Mr. Lynch.

It took me a couple of days to kind of understand this.

I was going to say, maybe you should go back one more time while you're still there, just to repeat that.

Okay.

If you all don't mind asking to repeat that.

And do you have any questions?

We'll go through our order, Supervisor Malik.

Am I right about that?

Okay.

So can you go over that again, please?

But if you missed that first deadline by November 1st, November 2nd through the 1st, you can file as long as you pay a late fee of an additional $125.

Thank you.

Supervisor Pratt.

We have seen sharp increases in assessments over the last several years and I'm wondering if there are parts of our community that just geographically have not fully realized that same spike in assessment value and that we might still expect to.

Awesome.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Regarding land use application or valuation even, you're including the land and the actual home, correct?

But if there's a home, if there's any other non-qualifying area that would not qualify for as agriculture or forestry, then we're going to be assessing it at full market value.

And getting back to Mr. Pruitt's question, because I know you can't go to any, all the homes in Albemarle County every year, because I think you do an assessment every, is it two years?

We alternate and we try to look at properties every five years, actually.

Every five years?

Yes.

So it's a running system where every year you're covering so many homes, and I think you said you did 10,000 this year?

Correct.

Last year?

Which is about 20%.

Scottsville Magisterial District, then there are in Rio.

It just tells us how much support we have for the amount of change.

Thank you very much.

So it's but it's looking at the we're hoping to look at a lot more than 10,000 properties this year by doing the aerial photograph in and update our data.

So that's what we're talking about for aerial surveillance.

Got it.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

Supervisor McKill.

and you'll get out to us eventually, you'll send us the Magisterial District information that you've always done in the past.

Yes ma'am.

Magisterial Districts and then within the Magisterial District?

Yes ma'am.

Thank you.

Is that like a couple weeks, a month?

No, I understood.

But I'm just curious about timing, not that I'm trying to press.

No, it'll be this week.

Oh, that's this one right here So the net would be the 14 9 minus the rollback taxes is what we actually Do not have in the coffers.

Yes, sir.

So for 25 that would be What was the rollback about a million bucks?

We don't have the rollbacks for 25 yet

So you used the previous year, 936 was 424.

Correct.

So 14 to 13 million in that case.

Yes, sir.

If the assessment goes up.

That's what the state law actually says.

And was that a change at some point?

Sometimes it's very literal, and it very literally says an increase in assessment.

I understand, yeah, if your assessment goes up, but what's the rationale behind it?

That's my guess.

That's all the questions I had.

Real quick for my understanding, the 5.09% Does that include new construction or is that?

No, so that is reassessment only.

Okay, and that is also true of the 6.9% on the single family?

That is correct all of those Percentages that I provided were reassessment only some were for residential single family only and some were general but but they were all just reassessment

and then at some point we'll know how much additional value goes into the anticipated budget.

If you're talking about for the new construction, typically I provide that to the budget office and that'll be part of the budget.

Is there any connection with whether there was a permit filed for those changes?

But we don't know until it sells and we're like, wait a minute, there's a finished basement in here.

I don't know that we go back on the other side and collect fees that were not collected for the permit, but that's a different question.

And that's not something that anybody's hiding or not taking out permits, just the fact that it's just a better property than we thought.

And this is more of a comment than a question, but I'm really happy to hear that you're able to use aerial photography, but there has been a concern that the GIS systems images have not been updated of aerial images of Albemarle County since, I think, 2018 still.

Obviously, we can't use it for new construction because things as things are built, but but it's it's very useful for for everything else.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

We'll take that up another time.

And I just noticed Jeff Lee blamed in so because I could see him out of my periphery here and I wondered if he wanted to say something.

Just when you've had a chance, Mr. Chair, to make sure the board doesn't have questions, I just had a couple of points I wanted to make with pizza, please.

Are there any additional questions?

So will your new EPL software help you to get better connections with the permits that are issued or have you already solved that problem in another way where there was the gap between the CDV and finance?

you know we have to figure it make sure that we're getting the data out of it but the new financial system we're not actually a part of in the assessor's office we we use we use a system that's not being replaced in that financial system okay and that's I mean that's partly on purpose to keep it completely private and secure because I remember trying to get people in 2008 to apply for the real estate waiver program and

I mean, that's all part of your taxable first, your residential building site as opposed to just two acres and then a whole lot of other stuff.

So it is very effective to determine exactly what you just said.

Mr. Richardson.

Is that something you need to come back with in terms of the usage of that?

But this is our first reassessment since they started using that.

Postal Service and or other things that come into play.

And Jennifer has shared some numbers with me, but I think it would be better for those to come from her to be more accurate.

Is that accurate?

Sorry, it's right here.

I think this deserves a moment if that's okay.

And that's the part we were missing before.

Thank you.

So it's really maintaining that on a regular basis and having somebody dedicated to it.

I would be interested in understanding how much of the rollback is due to sort of discovery that the property wasn't being used as it had been certified versus what I would think is something would have caught anyway, which is a change in use that of course caused rollback.

That would be a lot more complicated.

I understand.

So thank you, sir, and thank you, team.

Thank you.

just said I've several years ago you had talked about how you were re dividing rather than neighborhood by neighborhood then there were like properties all over the place I forget my what it was called but I know that it protected the places like Scottsville where there were so few sales that you were able to compare them with similar houses in other places so is that finished and in operation or is that still evolving and I probably didn't describe it well enough to so actually understand what I'm talking about

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

University of Toronto.

BING!

Michael Stanbaugh, welcome, Deputy Chief of the Transportation Projects.

So with that I will turn the meat and potatoes of the study over to Thomas Ruff.

Welcome.

So before we get back into the meat of the questions or anything, I certainly would be happy to answer any questions on all of the technical information that I just shared.

Supervisor Malin.

So how do you analyze those impacts as far as the queue that's going to build up behind every time?

Sure, and I can, you know, I've got my copy of the report and I could give you some of those exact books.

I could possibly find it in there believing you.

County.

I didn't know if that was.

Albemarle.

So the main challenge is going to be keeping the parents from parking on the shared use path to go to games because now they park on the grass everywhere, so it's really hard to control.

They would have to go over a curb, but yes, you're correct.

I'll stop.

Supervisor Pruitt.

I don't believe I have any questions at

use path and the regular road.

So, yes, there will need to be a curb to protect the.

No other questions.

Supervisor McHugh.

to try and make sure I understood what you all were referencing.

I can show you what each of those different styles look like.

right now, or quick question, your traffic studies, and this always comes up, they were done during the pandemic?

No, we did this, we did the data collection, I can double check, I want to say it was March, might have been February of last year.

Yeah, so not because I was seeing some dates that look like to me there were some traffic studies and I was a little confused, and they were done I'm sure when the university was in session because that makes a huge difference in this area.

Correct, yes.

You're giving me the right answers, that's great.

I've done enough traffic studies in the county to know exactly.

And I get that, so I can confirm to people, right?

Sure, absolutely.

how that's going to flow.

and so we can then take away a phase of the signal and so that's something V-DOT does speak of quite a bit about is you know I don't want to bring up you know the the route 29 and hydraulic intersection but one of the the goals of speeding that intersection up was removing the lefts by doing that they removed a phase which meant you could take all that time and give it to the other phase

And I got that, so this is the same.

You would take away that time and give it to Georgetown or Hydraulic to move more vehicles through.

I appreciate that.

Okay.

Talk to me about the concrete at the school or going down.

you would look to your left and you'd make your move to the middle and then you would have the concrete would protect you to then have an acceleration space to get up to speed to head north on hydraulic.

So that's what's on Abbey Road.

Correct.

You've already addressed that.

This would be a permanent solution.

They're not going to be able to do that anymore.

You'll probably learn a little bit more about the congestion Yeah, because I've been called over to that apartment complex many times with complaints about the kids from the high school Because they can't, using that as a turnaround Right, and so this is to provide that safer egress for those students and hopefully, again I won't stand here and say no one will do it, it's their high school students but certainly it would provide a safer route for them to get onto hydraulic road northbound

And I understand that VDOT requires a lot more, is a lot more expensive because you have to bring it up to VDOT standards and I get that.

Today's dollars are cheaper than future dollars.

Is that what you were saying?

And that's because Lambs is part of the VDOT system and so it would be connecting with TIT.

I don't want to take up too much time.

I've got all day.

Well, we don't.

Because this would go to the timing of the construction of the loop road for me.

The loop road is a more operational and for future success of the campus.

I get tickled with these engineering studies with your C grades and stuff like that when I look at it and I'm just like, come on.

No.

That's right.

We didn't, we do know about it, but in terms of this, what's in this study, it's not.

he's using personnel tremendously to help with what he's doing over there with what's happening so if that could be freed up he could use that personnel for other things I would think that they would be more interested in using that staff for other purposes other than just directing traffic through the parking lots and I'm sure I could I'd love to look to see the look on his face the first day that he was at school and said what do we have here when when he encountered all that so I'm still confused about the concrete medians

So it's green.

So that's just going to be painted yellow?

Zero versus 45 is way worse than even 45 to 45.

I mean, it'll take education for sure, but I mean...

That's something we would, we would go into the design for this.

Not the time on the study.

It should take you to the today.

Today's version.

Today's the in January.

It's less of a deal now that I know the data that you did was collected later than what I thought when I read the program or read the packet material.

but they may have all of it for 24 currently.

And then just my last clarifying question on slide 13 where you're you had some numbers there so did you say that that three to six does or does it not include inflationary number of dollars?

We're in the boat for the next six years to get that.

It should just be assumed to be signalized and built to be signalized, whether or not it's actually signalized at the start or later.

It's easier to put the conduit in when you're digging up the asphalt today.

I would be a fan of putting that in right off from the get.

That's a very cheap installation to do now to prep yourself for the future.

Thank you.