Board of Supervisors Regular Second Meeting   10/16/2024

1. Call to Order.

• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Good afternoon.
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    I'm pleased to call to order this regular meeting of the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors on the 16th of October at 1 p.m.
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    in Lane Auditorium.
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    Like to note at the desk, we have Supervisor Anne Malek of the Whitehall District, Supervisor Ned Galloway of the Rio District, Supervisor Anne McKeel of the Jack Stewart District, Supervisor Bila Fiesto-Curtley of the Rivanna District, and Supervisor Mike Prutt of the Scottsville District.
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    Notice how I made room for them.
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    and we appreciate it.
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    Thank you.
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    I am myself, Jim Andrews, representing the Samuel Mellon District.
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    A quorum is present.
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    We're also joined by our county executive, Mr. Jeff Richardson, our interim county attorney, Mr. Andy Herrick and our clerk, Ms.
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    Claudette Borgerson.
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    Also, let me please welcome and thank our Albemarle County police officers present, police officer Parker Davis and master police officer, Dana Reeves.
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    Thank you for your service this day and every day and work you and your colleagues do on our behalf and safety and security throughout the county.
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    if all present could now stand as you are able and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
• • SPEAKER_05
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    Thank you.
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    And if we could now join us in a moment of silence.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    More to our first item will be adoption of the final agenda.
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    I do want to just make one quick comment that as I understand that Granicus is currently down, but we are trying to make sure we have a link through Zoom so people can see the meeting online and participate.
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    It doesn't help if you're sitting there on Granicus.
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    I think the link has been switched, so hopefully it's working for people.
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    So I haven't heard of any requested changes to the final agenda.
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    Do we have a motion to accept the final agenda?
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    So we'll second.
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    We have a motion from Supervisor Lapisto-Curtley, a second from Supervisor McNeil with no objection working for the roll.
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    Ms.
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    Malik.
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    Yes.
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    Ms.
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    McNeil.
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    Yes.
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    Mr. Pruitt.
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    Aye.
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    Mr. Andrews.
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    Yes.
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    Mr. Galloway.
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    Yes.
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    Ms.
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    Lapisto-Curtley.
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    Aye.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    Our next item board is a brief announcement by board members and we'll go through our order for this meeting is starting with Supervisor Pruitt.
• • SPEAKER_08
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    Thank you.
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    A few quick things.
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    First,
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    As I mentioned every meeting, I would like to just highlight that early voting is ongoing.
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    Voters and residents might have heard that registration has ended.
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    That is true, but I would also remind you that thanks to our General Assembly, you can still vote if you have not yet registered via a provisional ballot.
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    and those ballots are still counted.
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    Just make sure that that is communicated when you go to the election office.
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    In Albemarle County, voters can vote at the county office on Fifth Street.
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    This is the same place where the police are located.
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    That is normal working hours during the weekday.
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    Additionally, we opened the early voting lines on Saturday on the last day of early voting, which is November the 2nd.
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    And if you come on down, you will actually see me hanging out there volunteering outside during early voting.
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    and I would love to talk to anyone during that.
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    I'd also like to just provide a little bit more information about the Scottsville town elections, because last I mentioned, we did not know who was going to be running for those.
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    So as a reminder, there is a race for mayor between Mayor Smith and Councillor Payne, and there is one qualified person on the ballot for the three positions for town council that is Alex Bassett.
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    There have been three people who have since declared that they are going to run as a write-in.
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    Those are Walter Townsend, David Becker, and Roger Whitley.
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    You can tune into the James Exchange hosted by Nancy McGill for more information as those candidates come in for interviews.
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    And additionally, just subscribe because that is a great news source for what is going on in and around Scottsville.
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    I would like to highlight that there is going to be a film screening titled Another World is Possible.
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    This is going to be on the 25th of October at 6.30 in the evening at the Lighthouse Studio in Charlottesville.
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    This is going to focus on youth reactions to climate and is going to involve some screening of some films directed and developed by young people in our community, which is great.
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    Additionally,
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    It's spooky season.
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    Unfortunately, we have our last meeting of October a little bit too early.
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    The only reason I would ever consider supporting a change in our schedule of supervisor meetings is so that we can get the second supervisor meeting of October just a little closer to Halloween because I would like for us to all wear costumes for at least one meeting.
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    Unfortunately, that is not the case, and we're not going to make any kind of calendar changes like that in the near future.
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    But, but, but spooky season.
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    Twilight tours are going to be happening in Scottsville this week.
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    On the 18th and 19th, the Scottsville Museum is going to have departing some Twilight tours on local history kind of holiday themed for Halloween.
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    Um, those are going to depart from the Scottsville Museum at six and last for about two hours, $15 charge.
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    There's also going to be a seated performance at Victory Hall on the 20th of October at 3 p.m.
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    And that is all I have.
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    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    I thought I was in costume.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    When he said spooky season, I thought he meant because it was a presidential election.
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    Silly season.
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    I got my S words wrong.
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    I'd like to take the opportunity to voice my appreciation to Mary McIntyre.
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    She was my the Rio district representative on the Amer County Department of Social Services advisory board.
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    She resigned in September after seven almost seven full years of service.
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    Mary is a teacher at Journey Middle School and she recently has become the head of the Albemarle Education Association.
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    But I remember when I first asked her to serve on that board, she felt, oh, well, that's an interesting, you know, like social services and where am I at?
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    I said, well, I think you both your commitment to things and I know the work and the seriousness in which you take the work that you join into.
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    That alone, to me, is why you should be on the board.
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    But a perspective from an educator and somebody that works with children on a day in and day out, but basis is also a voice that I think would be welcome on the advisory board.
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    And she did, she took it very seriously.
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    I got updates on a regular basis.
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    And I know that she was appreciated on that board by her fellow board members and the folks in our social services team.
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    so I just want to again officially thank her for her time and I know that Zarina who's following up will be an apt replacement and once she's up to speed we'll be doing doing just a fine job as well and they're both from the Woodbrook neighborhood so I'm glad to still have that affiliation there so thank you Mary for your service on that board thank you Mr. Chair
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Yes, I had the opportunity to, as did chair Andrews, to go visit fishes and loaves yesterday.
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    That was very enlightening.
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    It's the first time I had been there.
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    What a great operation.
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    feed about, they feed hundreds of people from Albemarle County and, but they don't say no to anyone.
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    So even in the surrounding areas, and they give out a very large shopping basket, a regular shopping cart, a food once every two weeks for families.
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    And what was really impressive about fishes and loaves is they also try to meet the dietary,
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    and or religious requirements of the people that are receiving the food.
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    So I think that's extraordinary.
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    They get a lot of their donations.
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    They work with the local grocery stores in the area for their food.
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    So I thought that was good.
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    Also, I wanted to say that on October 30th at six o'clock here, there will be a joint CAC meeting along with the Board of Supervisors.
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    and it's all about AC 44.
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    So if you want to come and listen, anyone wants to listen to what's happening, that's a good place to do it.
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    And I thought I'd look forward to seeing what kind of costume the supervisor Pruitt will be wearing since it's the day before Halloween.
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    And surprise, surprise.
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    Oh, that'll be a surprise and any others.
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    also the fire foundation quick update.
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    They have approved the board has approved their articles in corporation, working on the MOU and the bylaws, which should be done shortly.
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    And that's it for me.
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    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you, Supervisor Mel.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you very much.
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    this has been the Comet and Aurora week in Northwest Albemarle.
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    We've all been spending a lot of time out looking at the scars and hurrying the clouds to get out of the way.
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    But finally, on the third attempt, I did actually get to see the comet for the second time in my entire life.
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    And as I was looking through the binoculars, the shooting star went flying through.
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    So that was the third shooting star in my entire life.
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    So I feel truly blessed that this has happened.
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    And I will add on to your loves and fishes,
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    support.
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    The fact that they have self-choice is like a grocery store.
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    You don't just go and get a bag that somebody else has chosen for you, but the clients get to go and pick out what they really want.
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    I've also been impressed with their cooking and tasting events that they have there for people, especially during produce season, to show and help them learn about what some things are that they might not know how to cook for their families.
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    So the fact that they're getting protein from local farms with grants too is a really important thing.
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    So
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    I really appreciate all the work that they are doing.
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    My only event that I have, oh, two things, Saturday, October 26th is Apple Butter at the Whitehall Ruritans and it will be, the cooking will go on all night, Friday night.
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    The sugar free will begin to be cooked about, the canning will begin for the sugar free about 11 and be ready about two and the
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    County.
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    So, please come out between one and four and
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    honoring the service and sacrifice of active duty military veterans and first responders November 9 out of Blue Ridge School in St.
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    George and there are multiple different trails and adventures that families can choose whatever their physical ability is carrying a heavy pack or not to really have some more awareness about the lives that our soldiers undergo.
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    So that available if you search Ruck the Ridge on
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    Google, you will get all the information you need.
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    Thank you very much.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    Supervisor McKeil.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    B, I think you started something.
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    I will add for Lozen fishes, one of the challenges that they had for many years was no transit for the folks that are going there.
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    And the micro cat transit now has provided a real wonderful service.
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    And so I've been hearing nothing but praise about the
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    the ability of loaves and fishes to use microcat transit for their users.
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    That's right.
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    I will just make a couple of comments.
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    Most people know, I think, and we also talk about this a lot, the new speed zone cameras and school zone for school zones.
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    And the first one that we have in operation is on a hydraulic road.
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    through the Lambs Lane campus school site.
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    We have some data that was shared with us.
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    I thought it's pretty interesting that it's amazing to say that we found that 782 cars per day were speeding 10 miles
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    and or more over the speed limit between school start time and end time of those two times during the day.
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    That's pretty astounding.
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    The good news is that according to the data for the first three months, this new speed cameras has led to a reduction of about 70 percent in speeding incidences.
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    So it is proving to work.
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    and it said the document that I'm using thanks to Trevor who shared this with us.
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    Similar programs across Virginia have observed a 55% decrease in speeding violations.
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    So you can interpret that as we had more people speeding or more people that I'm just teasing, but it is great to see that we have a 70% reduction, which is really wonderful.
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    I also want to point out, though, that up until now, the violations have not been generating fines as of Monday, October the 21st.
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    If you receive a violation, you're going to have to pay for it.
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    So with, oh, and the only other thing I wanted to add, Mike, I have a clown suit.
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    that I used to wear to work at the hospital on Halloween.
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    So just let me know.
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    Thank you very much.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    As an afternoon for loaves and fishes, as I mentioned, my wife and I went there.
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    And the only sort of side comment is that they have a lot of volunteers.
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    And it was incredible to us in part because our niece happens to be home from school, college in Asheville, North Carolina, where they can't go back because of the conditions down there.
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    But their school told them, well, while you're home, why don't you volunteer for some opportunities?
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    And we walked in to see a tour and there's our niece.
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    packing groceries for the Lows and Fishes, and my understanding is they serve thousands of people.
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    So it's a couple quick ones that I think may be maybe on the radar for later.
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    Someone looked at the executive, but there's a Student Senate Fall Conference here on Friday, which is pretty exciting.
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    A big part of it's right here in Lane Auditorium in the morning.
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    Is that going to be mentioned later?
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    I
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    So that's the Albemarle County Public Schools having this Student Senate Fall Conference leadership in action.
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    And the sessions are just this Friday in several places, but including Lane Auditorium and some speakers, Vernon Gould, Susan Cruz, Harold Foley, Frank Valdes, and Catherine Flores from the community.
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    The other one that I think might be mentioned later is I understand there's an award to the
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    Architectural Review Board from the AIA Community Service Award that was announced this week and hopefully we'll hear more about that at some point too.
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    I was impressed to hear that.
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    And that's all I have.
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    Does anyone else have anything else?
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    Yes.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    One quick, leaving a question regarding the speed cameras.
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    family member reported turning east on Rio from Burkmaar extended at the light yesterday and the car in front of him peeled out to go very fast and sped past two buses stopped loading children.
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    One buses were one behind the other with their arms out.
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    and the guy just flew or woman, whoever it was, he couldn't.
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    So my question is, were the cameras that were already approved already installed on the arms of the buses?
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    So I hope they were in which case that would be good because that was a big fight with the General Assembly to get that approval.
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    And I just don't know if it ever got done.
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    So I'm leaving that question out there and someone may be able to answer it someday.
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    Thank you.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Point.
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    Yeah, maybe the Albemarle, the school's division can answer that question.
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    They should know whether or not those are on the buses.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Cameras.
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    Thank you.
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    We can follow up.
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    Thank you, board.
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    Our next item is item six, proclamations and recognition, but seeing that I see none on the agenda, we can move to item seven from the public matters on the agenda, but not listed for public hearing or matters previously considered by the board or matters that are pending before the board.
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    And we do have a couple of people to speak.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    We have two individuals signed up and I will read the
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    Instructions.
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    I think most of these people probably know the instructions, but during the time set aside for matters on the agenda, but not listed for public hearing, individuals may address the board of supervisors concerning matters previously considered by the board or matters that are pending before the board.
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    Albemarle,
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    which begins your allotted time.
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    The yellow light indicates you have one minute to finish speaking.
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    The red light indicates your time has expired and you will have to end your comments.
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    To give all speakers equal treatment and courtesy, the board requests that speakers adhere to the following guidelines.
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    When addressing the board, state your name and if you live in Albemarle County, your Magisterial District.
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    Address comments directly to the board as a whole.
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    Any written statements or other supporting material may be given to the clerk.
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    If representing a group or organization, you may ask others present to raise their hands in recognition.
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    and speakers may not share any unused time with another speaker.
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    Back and forth debate is not permitted and please do not speak from your seat or out of turn.
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    All comments are live streamed, recorded and published on the Almar County website.
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    And our first speaker this afternoon is Tom Loche.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Welcome Mr. Loche.
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    Please adjust my microphone.
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    Thank you.
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    My name is Tom Loche, I'm the resident of Crozet.
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    Well, AC 44 does state that there is no expansion of the growth area this year.
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    A more thorough review of the document clearly leads once to the conclusion that is not if, but when there will be growth area expansion.
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    The problem with this conclusion is that it is in direct opposition to the stated goal of over 50 years to preserve rural Albemarle County.
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    I have already reported to the board the words of Robert Tucker, outlining the use of land use subsidy to preserve rural Albemarle.
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    and the fact that it is clear, Mr. Tucker's document that rural preservation was the primary driving force for utilizing the land use subsidy program.
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    In 1991, the cost for land use was $4 million, which has risen to $14 million in 2023.
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    Mr. Tucker clearly states who pays for rural preservation state in the course of land use is not a hidden fact, since it is implicit in the concept of land use that the tax burden is shifted to other taxpayers.
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    is using the data from the county.
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    I have calculated that those who pay for land use have invested over a quarter of a billion dollars to preserve Albemarle County since 1975.
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    Those of us who pay for land use don't want to find ourselves in a situation where five years down a line and another 70 million dollars in land use money spent only to have the board decide that rural preservation is no longer important.
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    after almost 50 years of payments, the logic also cannot be will just do with a little less preservation.
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    Well, I don't often agree with the development community on growth and development issues.
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    I have to agree that the county can no longer kick the can down the road when it comes to growth area expansion.
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    If in fact, a trajectory towards expansion of our growth areas or conversely, the end of our preservation,
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    then note there is no further need for land use tax subsidy program.
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    It is my belief the majority of both area residents who pay for land use will also object to the continuation of a preservation policy that is doomed to fail in his promise to protect Albemarle County.
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    I realize this is a difficult question preserve and not preserve.
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    And if it was my choice, I would prefer a referendum to decide the answer.
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    The entire county now finds itself now looking for an answer.
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    The answer now rests with the board.
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    At this point, you have a choice preservation or development.
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    Thank you.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    Our next speaker is Neil Williamson.
• • SPEAKER_09
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    Good evening, Neil Williamson from the Free Enterprise Forum, where a privately funded public policy organization focused on central Virginia's local governments.
• • Neil Williamson
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    is Albemarle a welcoming community?
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    Albemarle County has this aspirational goal of being a welcoming community.
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    Is Albemarle a welcoming community when regulatory restrictions limit development and redevelopment to 7% of the development areas, which make up less than 5% of Albemarle's landmass?
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    Is Albemarle a welcoming community?
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    When punishing housing providers by restricting their ability to reinvest in their property via heavy-handed rent control policies.
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    Is Albemarle welcoming community with practices and protocols that increase development project timelines for months into years, thus decreasing housing affordability?
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    is Albemarle a welcoming community instituting a land use map that prohibits townhomes and multi-family projects in most of your development areas?
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    Is Albemarle a welcoming community when you need a magnifying glass to see the areas of high density in the future land use map?
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    I believe the answer is no.
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    Albemarle is not a welcoming community.
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    While residents and electeds say they wish to be welcoming,
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    Their actions say otherwise.
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    Our community should be encouraging new residents.
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    It should be encouraging diversity and inclusion.
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    How could Albemarle be more welcoming?
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    By expanding the 1970s-era development area boundaries, you can provide more housing opportunities.
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    By allowing, not mandating, higher density across the entire development area.
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    By rejecting the concept of rent control currently popping up
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    Hummelgraded in your current legislative priorities and by streamlining your policies and procedures so applicants seeking to bring your comprehensive plan to life are not working with one hand tied behind their back.
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    Yes, Albemarle can be welcoming and it's up to you to do so.
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    Thanks for the opportunity to speak.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    Thank you.
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    Then board, our next item is the consent agenda.
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    I'm not aware of any request to pull any items.
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    The floor is open for a motion to adopt the consent agenda.
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    So moved.
• • SPEAKER_00
  • 00:23:53
    Second.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:23:55
    We have a motion from Supervisor Malek, a second from Supervisor Lapisto-Curtley.
  • 00:23:59
    Without objection, if the clerk will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 00:24:01
    Is Malek?
  • 00:24:01
    Yes.
  • 00:24:02
    Ms.
  • 00:24:02
    McKeel?
  • 00:24:02
    Yes.
  • 00:24:03
    Mr. Pruitt?
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:24:04
    Aye.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 00:24:04
    Mr. Andrews?
  • 00:24:05
    Yes.
  • 00:24:05
    Mr. Galloway?
  • 00:24:07
    Yes.
  • 00:24:07
    Ms.
  • 00:24:07
    Lapisto-Curtley?
  • 00:24:08
    Aye.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:24:11
    Thank you.
  • 00:24:12
    Board, our first action item today is the 2025 legislative priorities and 2025 legislative positions and policy statements.
  • 00:24:20
    This will be led by Mr. Andy Eric, our interim county attorney, assisted by I believe Emily Kilroy, our director of economic development and assistance perhaps from Mr. David Blunt of the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission.
  • 00:24:31
    Welcome all.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:24:45
    Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of the board, Andy Herrick.
  • 00:24:48
    I'm the interim County attorney.
  • 00:24:49
    It's a pleasure to be with you again this afternoon.
  • 00:24:51
    As the chair indicated, I'll be addressing with the assistance of Emily Kilroy, our economic development director, as well as David Blunt, our legislative liaison with the TJPDC.
  • 00:25:02
    Together, the three of us will be addressing the legislative priorities and policy statements of the board.
  • 00:25:08
    As the board may recall, we were before the board recently last meeting of September going through with you some of the priorities and positions as we understood them to be at the time.
  • 00:25:18
    The board offered for us then several additional priorities and positions that staff has attempted to incorporate into the revised documents that are part of your agenda package.
  • 00:25:29
    They consist of a couple of different items.
  • 00:25:31
    First is the 2025 legislative priorities.
  • 00:25:35
    The next is the legislative positions and the policy statements, which again are slightly different and we'll go through the difference between the two.
  • 00:25:42
    My presentation today will close with next steps and what we can expect going forward.
  • 00:25:47
    So again, the distinction between the priorities and budget amendment requests on the one hand and the positions and policy statements on the other is that the priorities are the most important items that have been identified by the board.
  • 00:25:59
    We have six of them now at this point that we're going to be presenting to you today.
  • 00:26:02
    Whereas the positions and policy statements are more of a reference tool in the event that county leaders or county staff is asked to provide what the county's position is on certain policies.
  • 00:26:14
    They are not as high priority as the legislative priorities that have been identified for the board.
  • 00:26:19
    We try to be more selective again in the priorities, again, limiting those to six.
  • 00:26:23
    Whereas the positions and policy statement is a good deal more lengthy.
  • 00:26:28
    So we'll begin by looking at the proposed legislative priorities.
  • 00:26:31
    As the board may recall, there were several of them that may be familiar to you from the previous draft that was presented on September 18th, and then some of them are new.
  • 00:26:42
    So we'll be going through each one of these in turn, expanding the photo speed device authority, the one cent sales tax option for schools capital.
  • 00:26:50
    We've revised at the board's direction, expanding offenses subject to property forfeiture to include community threats.
  • 00:26:58
    Again, this item has been revised and we'll go over that in a moment.
  • 00:27:01
    We also have a couple of budget requests, one for Rivanna Futures and the second for Biscuit Run Park project.
  • 00:27:08
    And then finally, a new item again, generated from the September 18th board meeting, a request that there be a legislative or agency study of tools to mitigate rent increase caused by multifamily residential development.
  • 00:27:24
    So again, going through each one of those priorities in turn, the first one is to expand the photo speed device authority.
  • 00:27:32
    and the priority for the county is currently drafted is to enable the use of photo speed monitoring devices on locally designated segments of road where speeding has been identified as a problem.
  • 00:27:43
    Currently, state law allows those speeding device monitoring to take place in school zones, in highway work zones, as well as at dangerous intersections with a documented fatality that are within a thousand feet of a school zone.
  • 00:27:57
    What the county is seeking to do is to allow enabling authority to allow those speed devices anywhere where a local government, where a local governing body has requested it.
  • 00:28:09
    Also, as an additional priority is a request to amend the code, Virginia code to designate Albemarle County.
  • 00:28:17
    In addition to the other previously designated cities and counties as a qualifying locality,
  • 00:28:22
    for the purposes of allowing a one-cent sales tax referendum to support school construction.
  • 00:28:30
    Again, currently the Virginia Code only identifies certain named localities.
  • 00:28:35
    Albemarle is not currently on that list.
  • 00:28:37
    We would like to either be added to that list or perhaps better yet for the General Assembly simply to allow that authority for any locality that seeks it.
  • 00:28:46
    This, this item is, is new as the board may recall, there's been a fair amount of discussion before the board about cost recovery for community threats or hoaxes.
  • 00:28:56
    And after further discussion among our staff, specifically, I brought in Amanda Farley, who works extensively with our public safety agencies.
  • 00:29:04
    And it was her suggestion, and I think a good one, that instead of continuing to pursue cost recovery that we approach this from a different angle, and that is adding these offenses to the list of offenses that are subject to property forfeiture that would allow for a greater recovery, perhaps be a greater deterrent.
  • 00:29:22
    It's a simpler process that's well understood.
  • 00:29:26
    and again, it's far more than the flat 250 that's enabled under the existing cost recovery statute.
  • 00:29:32
    So we've pivoted a little bit on this with the idea still of providing a deterrent for those types of offenses, but hopefully a better deterrent and one that's more familiar to all involved.
  • 00:29:44
    I'll go through quickly a couple of the budget requests.
  • 00:29:47
    These have not changed since the board saw them previously.
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    Again, we're going to be asking for $11.2 million.
  • 00:29:54
    for Targeted Phase 1 Readiness Funding for the Rivanna Futures Project, as well as $1.37 million for a trail segment at the Biscuit Run Park.
  • 00:30:06
    Those are unchanged.
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    And finally, this is a new item that was generated at the September 18th Board Meeting.
  • 00:30:14
    It's to request a study of tools to mitigate rent increase caused by multifamily residential development.
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    We're requesting that the state conduct a study of that, be it a JLARC study or be it by another state agency.
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    And the reason for that is because new construction doesn't have a baseline by which to look at percentage increases in rent.
  • 00:30:36
    And so what this would do is to try to perform a study that would allow for best practices in this area
  • 00:30:44
    to allow localities or perhaps others interested in preserving affordable housing to provide a baseline where none currently exists or to come up with tools for addressing that.
  • 00:30:59
    So those are the six legislative priorities that are part of the current draft.
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    I will say that what is before the board currently is just staff's understanding of the requests that have been made by the board.
  • 00:31:12
    They're certainly open to further amendment or additions if the board seats fit.
  • 00:31:16
    But I'm happy to answer your questions and I'm sure that Ms.
  • 00:31:18
    Kilroy and Mr. Blank can assist as well.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:31:21
    Thank you.
  • 00:31:22
    Board will go through our order to address these issues first.
  • 00:31:26
    Supervisor Prue.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:31:29
    I appreciate the thoughtful attention that's been given to an alternate solution to the recovery of fees recommendation.
  • 00:31:36
    I think this makes sense.
  • 00:31:39
    I'm naturally thinking through what are the ways that this can be abused.
  • 00:31:46
    And I wonder if you would mind just talking me through
  • 00:31:51
    what it looks.
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    I place a hoax call to the board of supervisors saying I'm going to explode the board of supervisors.
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    It gets intercepted by ACPD.
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    What does this allow to happen next?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:32:03
    So if this if that offense is ultimately prosecuted, goes to trial and the defendant is convicted, it would allow for any property that was used in the in the commission of that offense to be to be subject to seizure.
  • 00:32:15
    Currently, the law allows that for
  • 00:32:20
    We just refer to my own notes here that that it currently allows for that for certain types of activity, but not others.
  • 00:32:28
    And this would just simply expand the classes of offenses that would be subject to the criminal forfeiture provisions.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:32:34
    And so this does not resemble what we might think of in civil forfeiture when we're thinking of
  • 00:32:40
    traffic incidents where it can be held without criminal conviction initially.
  • 00:32:46
    That's correct.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:32:47
    Again, this is simply adding, there's an existing criminal forfeiture provision.
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    What this would do would be to add certain additional offenses to that provision.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:32:57
    Would this be contingent on proceeding through the circuit or general district quarter?
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    Would this be able to attach to crimes that have to go through JDR because the perpetrator is under 16?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:33:10
    So I'm sorry that Ms.
  • 00:33:12
    Farley isn't here to address the specific logistics of criminal forfeiture.
  • 00:33:17
    My understanding is that since these are offenses are all felonies.
  • 00:33:22
    that typically would be the circuit court handling that.
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    I'm not prepared to address on the fly juvenile defendants and what would happen in a juvenile court for a defendant being tried there.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:33:31
    But it would have to be something that even could be prosecuted as a felony, which I think can't be done for defendants under a certain age.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:33:38
    I believe that all of these offenses are felonies, which would be tried in the circuit court, at least for adults.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:33:44
    just to share with the board where I'm thinking with this, the child who calls to their school with a bomb threat, this would only apply to them if they are old enough and the situation is dire and that it can be prosecuted as a felony, which would not apply to elementary school students, middle school students, some high school students.
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    is how I'm thinking through this.
  • 00:34:09
    And that's just based on age and when you can get out of JDR and be prosecuted as a felon.
  • 00:34:17
    Thank you.
  • 00:34:17
    That's helpful.
  • 00:34:20
    I do just because it was mentioned both in an article that Mr. Williamson wrote and also he touched on it briefly during his remarks.
  • 00:34:28
    I want to just address the rent stabilization piece that I know was added late in this.
  • 00:34:35
    So if I might stop.
  • 00:34:36
    Oh, this is, I'm sorry, we're doing the three stages, aren't we?
  • 00:34:39
    Correct.
  • 00:34:39
    And this is just our five prior.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:34:41
    And I'm certainly willing to accept your comments on that.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 00:34:43
    But let me encourage you that that we're covering that.
  • 00:34:45
    No, that's wonderful.
  • 00:34:47
    Thank you.
  • 00:34:47
    I appreciate that.
  • 00:34:48
    Otherwise, I think everything else is largely unchanged.
  • 00:34:51
    We had the addition of the of the study.
  • 00:34:54
    I like the language that's used in there.
  • 00:34:56
    I've already mentioned this to some of our representatives in our delegation, but I'll be sure to have this conversation privately to make sure that the intention of that is clear.
  • 00:35:04
    Thank you so much for the work on this.
  • 00:35:05
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:35:06
    Thank you, Supervisor Callaway.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:35:12
    I'll be curious to see where the property forfeiture goes in the.
  • 00:35:16
    General Assembly, I think even like 10, 18 years ago, this was a. And more so for what it
  • 00:35:26
    for, I don't want to say misuse, but concerns about how that was done.
  • 00:35:31
    But I mean, we're talking about, in this instance, a cell phone, since that was used, could be for, is what the property?
  • 00:35:38
    Correct.
  • 00:35:39
    What else would it be besides a cell phone?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:35:41
    That's, that's a good question.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:35:42
    So I'm curious, the computer, maybe if they email it or auto dialer system, just conceivably.
  • 00:35:51
    I'll be curious to see where I'm not going to stand in the way of it.
  • 00:35:54
    Or it's just one of these where I'm like, knowing the General Assembly, we'll ask and see what happens.
  • 00:35:59
    But for us to actually reap and cover the cost of it, we'd have to sell wholesale the thing that we recover.
  • 00:36:10
    I was skeptical of just collecting the fine of $250 or to amount to the thousands of dollars that this is going to recover.
  • 00:36:21
    If we're collecting cell phones and computers and then needing to resale them on the wholesale market, this adds even more administrative cost to the burden of the recovery.
  • 00:36:34
    And again, I'm not opposed to trying to get these costs covered.
  • 00:36:40
    But it needs to be more realistic and it needs to be in a way that says, all right, yeah, if you cost us $8,000 in emergency response, I want that eight grand.
  • 00:36:48
    I don't want a cell phone.
  • 00:36:50
    I don't want you $250.
  • 00:36:51
    So if this is a way to try to angle in to get to that bigger picture, then it moves the needle.
  • 00:36:57
    So I'm not going to object to it because I understand the rationale behind it, but I'll be, I'll be real curious to see where
  • 00:37:06
    where it goes in that scenario.
  • 00:37:11
    Where's the list of the new items?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:37:16
    So again, this is just the priorities.
  • 00:37:19
    The list of new items is longer on the positions, which we've yet to get to.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:37:22
    And I just, you know, I think the relative we've
  • 00:37:30
    Some stuff has flared up around rent control over the last few days.
  • 00:37:33
    I don't recall taking an action on rent control, which we've been told that we have.
  • 00:37:38
    So I either snooze during that part of the meeting or we didn't take the action.
  • 00:37:42
    But if a study was done on rent stabilization and rent control may or may not be a good idea, that study will tell us that.
  • 00:37:51
    If there are other things that could get to the point that the supervisor brought up to help with this scenario, then the study would lead to that.
  • 00:37:58
    So, you know, I think asking for a JLARC study, I'd be curious to see where the rest of the state is on this because it is a Commonwealth wide study, the JLARC studies.
  • 00:38:10
    But I hope folks in the community understand that this board didn't take action on rent control.
  • 00:38:15
    So saying that Albemarle County is making a decision or once it is not what we did and that was not the discussion.
  • 00:38:21
    So I would hopefully encourage folks to go back and re-listen to the discussion that day and know that there it is.
  • 00:38:27
    Study tools to mitigate rent increases caused by multifamily residential redevelopment.
  • 00:38:31
    If you want to call it rent control, that's fine.
  • 00:38:33
    But my guess would be that there would be other scenarios and things that a study could say are good ideas or bad ideas.
  • 00:38:39
    And just like most decisions we make,
  • 00:38:42
    we ask for that kind of information before we take action.
  • 00:38:46
    So I'm fine with this being included in there, whether the state takes it up or not is another matter, but we'll leave it to them to determine.
  • 00:38:55
    The only other item I wanted was the, it was in the packet that I read something about the points on the licenses.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:39:03
    Right, that also is part of the positions that we'll be getting to in a few minutes.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:39:07
    And this can be nuanced, I know just
  • 00:39:09
    is just a side kind of spontaneous conversation with Mr. Andrew.
  • 00:39:13
    So I get all the differences of it.
  • 00:39:15
    But this photo, I would think that if we're really wanting points to go to licenses for traffic offenses, we should go for the whole gambit and not piecemeal this.
  • 00:39:23
    It shouldn't just be for three truck restrictions.
  • 00:39:25
    It should be that people speeding through the speed cameras and the speed zones.
  • 00:39:28
    That's my personal
  • 00:39:30
    sent on them.
  • 00:39:30
    And it should also hurt their insurance if they get that ticket, which currently it doesn't because an officer is not pulling them over.
  • 00:39:36
    I'm not saying I don't need to stay in the way.
  • 00:39:38
    We're getting to the, you know, the eighth hour and getting this stuff passed.
  • 00:39:42
    But knowing this general assembly, it's probably, I mean, this is not one I think it's nuanced.
  • 00:39:48
    We just go to the big bang and then see what what other kind of
  • 00:39:52
    and other folks are there because you saw the numbers that Supervisor McKeel talked about speeding through 50 miles per hour through a speed zone.
  • 00:39:59
    You should have points.
  • 00:40:00
    You should have double points taken off your driver's license for that.
  • 00:40:04
    And just to add this comment in, the last time I think it came up about the lights weren't functioning or something.
  • 00:40:10
    I went out to, I drive through there every day.
  • 00:40:13
    So the lights were functioning.
  • 00:40:15
    The day that we talked about the lights might not have been functioning.
  • 00:40:17
    So when Kerry was here, I think that came up.
  • 00:40:19
    but the flashing lights are working properly.
  • 00:40:21
    They were working properly the very next day.
  • 00:40:25
    So folks might not be seeing them.
  • 00:40:27
    Maybe we should look at visibility issues, but it wasn't because the lights were not functioning.
  • 00:40:31
    That's just an add on here.
  • 00:40:33
    But otherwise, I think, I hope the school division joins us in doing some very
  • 00:40:43
    very effective advocacy for this one set sales tax option that is becoming more and more critical to not just the school division, but to the county side as well, because of the capacity it opens up.
  • 00:40:55
    So that doesn't just, you know, pointing off to David and going, All right, David, go, go do the advocacy, it's going to take all six of us and all seven of our school board members to be down in Richmond, probably advocating on this one to help try to encourage him to get it over the goal line.
  • 00:41:11
    was there another question that I didn't answer?
  • 00:41:14
    I'm sure I provided a lot of extra that you didn't.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:41:16
    Well, and some of the points that you raised, Supervisor Galloway, we'll be getting to in the positions part of the president.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:41:22
    Okay, so I'm out of order.
  • 00:41:24
    I just sort of talk later now.
  • 00:41:26
    Just ahead of your time.
  • 00:41:28
    Thank you, Andy.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:41:32
    Yes, there are a lot of things that Supervisor Galloway brought up that I do agree with, with the legislative, the rent control.
  • 00:41:41
    I agree.
  • 00:41:42
    I do not think we took any kind of position on rent control.
  • 00:41:46
    I don't remember that either.
  • 00:41:47
    So if we did, I was also asleep, but I don't remember us doing that.
  • 00:41:53
    I don't mind a study coming out to see where we go from here.
  • 00:41:59
    What can we do?
  • 00:42:02
    the expanding the photo speed device.
  • 00:42:04
    Of course, that is something I've been.
  • 00:42:07
    We've all been asked asking for.
  • 00:42:09
    I spoke with a delegate law for today and about that.
  • 00:42:14
    She actually spoke to the people in Richmond who are also on this.
  • 00:42:19
    They are moving forward on this bill.
  • 00:42:21
    So hopefully.
  • 00:42:25
    when we call our legislators regarding the one-cent sales tax option, we can also talk to them about the expanding the photo speed device.
  • 00:42:34
    I mean, that is something that is really needed.
  • 00:42:38
    Just in my area, we've had oversized trucks on 22-231.
  • 00:42:44
    Two weeks ago, we had a very large Amazon truck that was not supposed to be there, that went over on the side.
  • 00:42:54
    We've had residents have called me and have said I've seen within a space of an hour 14 trucks, oversized trucks going along that road.
  • 00:43:07
    That's why I know when we did it for Plank Road, truck restriction, I'm curious to see how that's going to work because unless we had the police all over the place, which we cannot afford, which we cannot do.
  • 00:43:21
    that's going to continue to be a problem.
  • 00:43:23
    So that's why this is so important.
  • 00:43:25
    The one set of sales tax option, absolutely for schools, all out effort, frankly, by schools and ourselves to get that pass that would be
  • 00:43:37
    that would really make a difference in our county, because we also we would be asking the people of Albemarle County to vote for this for a referendum.
  • 00:43:46
    That's all we're asking for.
  • 00:43:48
    Give state give us the permission to have a referendum to ask to ask the populace whether or not they want to increase the sales tax by 1% for school construction and renovation.
  • 00:44:03
    Everything else I'm
  • 00:44:06
    I mean, I agree with our agenda.
  • 00:44:08
    I think it's it's a good agenda.
  • 00:44:09
    So I'll stop there.
  • 00:44:11
    Thank you.
  • 00:44:11
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:44:12
    Supervisor Mellon.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:44:13
    Yes, I'm in support of each of these elements.
  • 00:44:16
    The excuse me, having lived in a rent control apartment in 1973 in Brookline next to Boston.
  • 00:44:24
    Fifty years ago, all these established urban cities with very large senior populations at that time.
  • 00:44:32
    We were the only people under 70 in our building, and it was a big building.
  • 00:44:36
    So I think this can be done very well, and I don't know how it's going to turn out.
  • 00:44:43
    The housing study report, I think, is supposed to come out sometime in the month, this month from the DHCD.
  • 00:44:51
    And maybe there will be something in there that will be useful for us.
  • 00:44:53
    I do not know.
  • 00:44:54
    But looking for more information is fine with me.
  • 00:44:58
    The swatting question.
  • 00:45:02
    are parents involved in this responsibility at all?
  • 00:45:05
    Or is this strictly to the child and the child's thing?
  • 00:45:09
    And if this is an off the wall question, then put me off and figure it out later.
  • 00:45:13
    But that seems to be the only way to get any kind of behavior changes if parents are held accountable in the same way that they have been in some ways with some weapons things recently.
  • 00:45:24
    I was totally shocked that the demerits of the points, the insurance doesn't count for these egregious things.
  • 00:45:31
    And the 700 cars passing, we had a thousand a month, a number of years ago before we got the authority for the cameras on the ends of the arms.
  • 00:45:41
    So it is an incredibly serious element.
  • 00:45:44
    And I'm ready to go.
  • 00:45:47
    Thank you.
  • 00:45:48
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:45:49
    Thank you, Supervisor McHale.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:45:52
    going through the legislation, expand photo speed device authority.
  • 00:45:56
    Absolutely.
  • 00:45:57
    I'm supportive of that.
  • 00:46:01
    I will say that I think all of us are frustrated that it seems like to me that the penalty is really not significant enough to change behavior.
  • 00:46:12
    At least it hasn't been up until now.
  • 00:46:14
    Having said that, we've spent one day in the last two decades getting this far.
  • 00:46:19
    said, you know, Ned, when we talk about your frustration, I get it.
  • 00:46:23
    But we've had to piecemeal it and and massage it to the point where it was acceptable to the majority of the delegates in the General Assembly to get something passed.
  • 00:46:34
    Having said that, I'm hopeful that we can continue to work on this and get it to where
  • 00:46:39
    It really has an impact on behavior.
  • 00:46:43
    What I was reading today, it looks like it's impacting behavior to some degree, so that's great.
  • 00:46:49
    One cent sales tax option, absolutely.
  • 00:46:52
    I won't even belabor that.
  • 00:46:53
    We definitely need that ability to have a referendum to ask our community.
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    and other communities would vote on a referendum different ways, but we definitely need that ability.
  • 00:47:05
    Expand offenses subject to property forfeiture.
  • 00:47:10
    I really appreciate you all thinking or coming up with a different option, but I'm not convinced that the juice is worth the squeeze here.
  • 00:47:19
    If in fact, so you're going to have to give me some more examples, because if we're talking about taking a cell phone or a computer and selling it and trying to recoup, I mean, that's just whack-a-doodle world to me.
  • 00:47:29
    Why would we waste our energy on, I mean,
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:47:33
    The only thing I could think of is that these days, a young person, the threat of losing that is probably more than the cost.
  • 00:47:41
    So it may be a deterrent, but it's for cost recovery.
  • 00:47:44
    It's crazy.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:47:46
    Right.
  • 00:47:46
    And what I have to say is if they lost it, their parents are they just buying.
  • 00:47:51
    I mean, I just so help me with what else we could.
  • 00:47:55
    What other examples besides laptops and phones?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:47:59
    Yeah, unfortunately, I'm at a loss of specific examples, except to say, again, that this statute already exists for terrorist acts.
  • 00:48:06
    So we've got the ability to seize property that's committed in the, that's used in the commission of terrorist acts.
  • 00:48:13
    This expands that.
  • 00:48:14
    Again, I'm sort of at a loss to provide specific examples.
  • 00:48:19
    I do know one of the advantages that Ms.
  • 00:48:21
    Farley was sharing with me as we were discussing this is that this is a more established process.
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    and as you may recall when this item was before the cost recover was before the board, there were some pretty significant objections from the Commonwealth's attorney and that would not be present with this procedure.
  • 00:48:37
    So in addition to having a larger pool perhaps of recoverable funds,
  • 00:48:42
    It's a procedure that Commonwealth's attorneys are more familiar with and it's more familiar to the system.
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    So that may be an additional advantage, despite perhaps the difficulty in liquidating a personal property.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:48:54
    And I appreciate that.
  • 00:48:56
    And I'm not going to fight this on our legislative packet.
  • 00:48:59
    I'm just not sure that, again,
  • 00:49:02
    If that's what we're talking about, is the juice really worth the squeeze?
  • 00:49:06
    And just the effort of trying to get it passed.
  • 00:49:10
    Now, the other scenario where you have drugs and guns and all sorts of, I get that, that makes perfect sense.
  • 00:49:20
    Just not sure you're going to see that in this case.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:49:22
    The alternative would be to expand the $250 flat cost, the current $250 cap.
  • 00:49:30
    may encounter the same problems with that, that the $250 may be a drop in the bucket.
  • 00:49:33
    Exactly.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:49:34
    Right.
  • 00:49:35
    And I think that's even more.
  • 00:49:36
    So I'm happy to say yes to this.
  • 00:49:38
    We'll see how it goes, but I'm not convinced that this really... Go back to where you were.
  • 00:49:47
    There we go.
  • 00:49:48
    Great.
  • 00:49:49
    So that's those three bullets.
  • 00:49:52
    And then we did sort of include a discussion about the study tools for rent increases.
  • 00:50:02
    I think had the report said a jail arc study, which is what we all talked about at the last meeting.
  • 00:50:09
    When this came up at the last meeting, Mike mentioned it.
  • 00:50:12
    I turned to Mike and I said, and you're talking about a jail arc study.
  • 00:50:16
    And he said, yes.
  • 00:50:18
    JLARC is a process that we're all very familiar with.
  • 00:50:22
    Many people in the community are familiar with it as well.
  • 00:50:25
    If it had said we were pursuing a JLARC study rather than studying tools, I'm just saying that I think if the community had understood what we were talking about better, we wouldn't have had as much angst in the community.
  • 00:50:40
    But I will say, Andy, it does say on page four, support legislation that would enable localities to implement
  • 00:50:48
    rent stabilization and rent gouging protection.
  • 00:50:52
    And I think when people compare the two, it added on some angst.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:50:56
    So let me address a couple of points there.
  • 00:50:59
    First of all, we did hear the board's request for a JLARC study specifically when we ran that request by Mr. Blunt.
  • 00:51:06
    He indicated that that in fact was not the proper tool that would be done in Richmond, that it was a different type of tool.
  • 00:51:12
    I don't know whether he has anything that he wants to add but but again it would not be JLARC necessarily that would be studying that it would be a different agency and see that's great and so do you want to have that discussion a little bit later though but the discussion I do want to have later to get to the second point was you had you had cited the rent stabilization rent gouging that's part of the position statement and that's what we'll get to in the second part of my presentation that's perfect that's great and that's interesting because I think we're all used to JLARC studies and we just assumed that that would be what and we shouldn't assume
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:51:41
    Right, but I think that when the community saw some of these points together in a report, that's what they thought.
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    I am not interested in implementing rent control at this point.
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    I don't know enough about it to even say I would be in favor against it, but I would always
  • 00:52:02
    be interested in more information on how something like that would play out in the community.
  • 00:52:06
    So I look forward to the next discussion where you're going to tell us what might be appropriate.
  • 00:52:10
    Yes, ma'am.
  • 00:52:11
    Okay.
  • 00:52:11
    Thank you.
  • 00:52:12
    And I think that was all you wanted right now.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:52:14
    Just the priorities at this point.
  • 00:52:15
    Yes, ma'am.
  • 00:52:16
    Okay.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:52:16
    Thank you.
  • 00:52:18
    Thank you.
  • 00:52:19
    I'm just going to try to make sure that the comments that I've heard, I understand well enough to know if there's anything that needs to be clarified.
  • 00:52:26
    So expanding the photo speed device authority, I'm definitely in favor of that.
  • 00:52:29
    But I did hear comments that suggested extending it to other traffic violations, such as the two truck restrictions or other things.
  • 00:52:37
    And that had not been so that is part of understood original.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:52:40
    I'm sorry, that's part of the positions.
  • 00:52:42
    So there's putting demerit points for through traffic.
  • 00:52:47
    That's part of the positions that we'll get to in the second part of the president.
  • 00:52:49
    But also whether that's not that's not related to the photo authority, those two separate items.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:52:56
    Well, I heard it in this discussion, so I wanted to make sure.
  • 00:52:58
    Okay.
  • 00:53:00
    And I have no problem with the one cent sales tax as discussed.
  • 00:53:04
    I do thank you for reminding us to the Commonwealth Attorney's position comments about this, because otherwise I felt like this is really a very different thing and doesn't necessarily accomplish a lot.
  • 00:53:16
    But it does look like a much easier lift.
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    And
  • 00:53:21
    It is something.
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    And so I would definitely be in favor of recognizing the problem and seeing if this helps.
  • 00:53:31
    The budget requests are great.
  • 00:53:36
    This is where I thought we were.
  • 00:53:38
    I understand the word redevelopment is specifically in here because there's some sense in which this is already fully understood in regular development or in existing transfers of properties, but I'm not
  • 00:53:52
    fully convinced of that.
  • 00:53:53
    So I guess I hope the study is broad and looks at what the possibilities are for understanding how to deal with rent, rental housing and rental increases under those circumstances.
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    But otherwise, I'm very supportive.
  • 00:54:10
    Supervisor Lafist, you're correct.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:54:11
    Yes, I just wanted to say the truck restrictions, that would have to be boots on the ground in order to be able to do that, which is the photo.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:54:19
    It just came up in this and I wanted to make sure we stick to the proposed legislative priorities.
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    But I think now, if there are no other comments, we're ready to move on to positions.
  • 00:54:29
    Yes.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:54:29
    Yes, I did want to, I did not take the opportunity for expanding the property forfeiture.
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    I think that would work very well with adults, you know, that have something.
  • 00:54:43
    I'm not so sure about, as supervisor said, those under 18 and those under 16 and younger.
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    I don't think that would work.
  • 00:54:55
    I'm wondering if we could say, if we would include your priority thought about this, or so if they're adults, it would be the fine property forfeiture.
  • 00:55:06
    If their children are under 18, maybe that would be, you know, the cell phone, the computer, or could we make their, pardon me, their parents responsible?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:55:19
    Right.
  • 00:55:19
    So typically my understanding is that there would not be criminal responsibility for the parents of students that commit these offenses.
  • 00:55:26
    There might be some related offense, some sort of child neglect charge or something.
  • 00:55:30
    Generally, it's the offender, him or herself that is that is facing the charges.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:55:35
    So and that would be difficult with a child.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:55:37
    Correct.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:55:38
    All right.
  • 00:55:40
    Okay.
  • 00:55:40
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:55:41
    Thank you.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:55:44
    So on to the second part of the presentation, which deals with the legislative positions and policy statements.
  • 00:55:50
    Again, what we presented so far has been the six priorities that the county would be advocating for.
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    What follows are the positions and policy statements that if inquiries arose in Richmond, this would be the county's position on these.
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    You may recognize, here's a list of the seven earlier additions.
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    The list actually is much longer positions.
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    I believe there's 40-some positions that the county
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    States in the position documents.
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    Seven of them were new as of the last meeting and they're listed here.
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    All of two of these really deal with increased funding.
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    So the county would be in support if the issue arose of increased funding for economic development and site readiness, increased funding for community services boards, for mental health services, for housing Albemarle,
  • 00:56:37
    and for public schools funding.
  • 00:56:38
    In addition, going into the last meeting, the position statement also had a position against the legalization of skill games.
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    And it also had a position statement in favor of preserving local authority over land use matters.
  • 00:56:53
    Since the last meeting or at the last meeting, there are a number of new ideas that were generated
  • 00:56:58
    that staff attempted to take down and to encapsulate and to bring back to the board for further review and for further discussion of what the board consensus is.
  • 00:57:07
    As you recall, a new position was added regarding digital equity to support statewide efforts for advancing digital equity.
  • 00:57:16
    The environmental position statement was revised to include support for sustainable material management legislation
  • 00:57:23
    Staff in drafting this had relied on an August 30th memo of the Solid Waste Alternatives Advisory Committee that referred to sustainable material management legislation.
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    It also made a reference to the EPR program as well, which is the program.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 00:57:41
    Extended producer responsibility.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 00:57:43
    There we go.
  • 00:57:43
    Excuse me.
  • 00:57:44
    The extended producer responsibility as a subset of this, we can certainly clarify that in the final position statement if the board is interested in that.
  • 00:57:53
    We also revised the affordable housing, affordable housing funding statement to refer not just to housing Albemarle, but affordable housing more generally.
  • 00:58:03
    There was a request to add a position statement regarding the locality enforcement of the Landlord Tenenact, which would enable localities to enforce violations of the Landlord Tenenact.
  • 00:58:14
    Currently, the land violations of the Landlord Tenenact are only enforceable by the tenants themselves.
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    and this was there was a request made that we add this to position statement that we would be in favor of allowing localities to enforce that as well.
  • 00:58:30
    There was a request to add locality right a first refusal to the position statements to support a localities right a first refusal when an affordable housing property was either sold or converted.
  • 00:58:41
    There was a request and it was added as a position statement, not as a priority, but as a position statement regarding rent stabilization to support legislation that would enable localities to implement rent stabilization and rent gouging protections.
  • 00:58:54
    I believe I believe Ms.
  • 00:58:55
    McKeel referred to that on on page four.
  • 00:58:57
    I believe it's attachment B.
  • 00:58:59
    So there was that position statement that was requested and that's being brought back for the board's consideration in the final position statement.
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    And then finally, requesting demerit points under the uniform demerit point system for violations involving overweight trucks or unpermitted through trucks.
  • 00:59:15
    Again, that would be added to the position statement list rather than as a priority list.
  • 00:59:21
    So with that, I'll stop and take any additional questions.
  • 00:59:23
    And this is the final feedback.
  • 00:59:25
    So if there's any questions regarding the positions or anything else that
  • 00:59:28
    that the board saw here.
  • 00:59:30
    I'm certainly happy to take those questions.
  • 00:59:32
    Actually, let me let me just go forward to say what our next steps are.
  • 00:59:36
    So the board has an idea of where we're going with this.
  • 00:59:39
    It ultimately the we were looking to adopt the priority statement and the position statements.
  • 00:59:45
    The current drafts of those are included in the package as attachments A and B respectively.
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    But they're certainly subject to board discussion and board amendment to the extent that the board feels that anything needs to be added, removed, amended and so forth.
  • 00:59:58
    It's certainly subject to that.
  • 01:00:00
    And actually, while I'm thinking about it, I will also add that there was discussion and staff acknowledges discussion at the at the prior meeting regarding
  • 01:00:09
    the enforcement of parking violations and expanding the scope of who may enforce parking violations.
  • 01:00:15
    Staff went back and found that for counties or localities with populations over 40,000, of which Albemarle is one, that those localities already have the enabling authority to have contract enforcement of parking violations.
  • 01:00:29
    So that's enabling authority that currently exists.
  • 01:00:32
    It's my understanding that VACO may be advocating that as a VACO legislative permission to open that door for smaller localities than Albemarle.
  • 01:00:41
    But again, there is existing state law that allows for contract enforcement by localities that are larger than 40,000.
  • 01:00:48
    And that's why that item was, though discussed at the prior meeting, was not added to the draft list that the board has before today.
  • 01:00:55
    So with that, I really will stop and seek any comments or questions that you have.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:00:58
    Thank you very much.
  • 01:00:59
    We'll go through our order.
  • 01:01:00
    Supervisor Brough.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:01:01
    Sure.
  • 01:01:02
    So I'm going to dive right into what I think is the controversial thing here.
  • 01:01:08
    I want to first just clarify that the request for the study and the pop position statement in here are two separate things.
  • 01:01:17
    One applies to existing housing, renewing year to year leases or month to month leases and what they can do in between that and the other is studying what
  • 01:01:29
    County.
  • 01:01:29
    So I'm just going to talk about what tools might make sense when housing is redeveloped, right?
  • 01:01:33
    Either torn down or refinished, resulting in temporary displacement and significant increases in rent.
  • 01:01:39
    Two kind of separate things.
  • 01:01:40
    Um, and I. Did discuss this at the previous two meetings in which we talked about, uh, legislation, so I don't want it to be characterized as something that came out of left field.
  • 01:01:51
    Um,
  • 01:01:53
    So I want to begin by just saying rent stabilization is something that the majority of our peers, Democrats in the House and Senate do support and there's been recurring submissions of rent stabilization legislation each year.
  • 01:02:10
    Dillon thing, right?
  • 01:02:12
    And so in so far as we are people who complain about Dylan's rule hobbling our ability to make change at the local level, I would point out this is not implementing any kind of rent stabilization scheme whatsoever.
  • 01:02:25
    It is empowering us to consider doing so in the future, much like we were just talking about the school capital tax.
  • 01:02:32
    This is something that localities in Northern Virginia and the Hampton Roads area frequently have included on their on their legislative priorities issues.
  • 01:02:41
    When I've talked to housing advocates, they've highlighted that currently we know nothing's going to happen in the next year.
  • 01:02:48
    We know there's probably not going to be anything that happened in the year after that.
  • 01:02:51
    but a helpful thing is to show that this is something that is on the radar and that is frankly confronting people outside of NOVA and that a helpful thing that can be done to highlight this issue and the possibility of this is to have more localities expand this on there.
  • 01:03:11
    on their legislative priorities.
  • 01:03:13
    I would also say, again, I want to highlight, this doesn't mean we have to do anything on on ring stabilization whatsoever rent gouging.
  • 01:03:22
    And I would expect that would be a much, much, much more in depth vote that would be contentious and I don't know how it would go.
  • 01:03:30
    but I personally do support the idea of rent stabilization.
  • 01:03:33
    I think we hear a lot of doom saying about it.
  • 01:03:35
    The chilling effects that you see in in studies in meta-analyses, including the urban meta-analysis that Mr. Williamson pointed to, the chilling effects on overall housing is incredibly modest.
  • 01:03:49
    It is more modest than what our own inclusionary zoning policy that we implemented earlier this year does.
  • 01:03:54
    As in
  • 01:03:55
    it results in less of a chill on new development than what we've already done does, and it does result in significantly more low income housing being available in the community.
  • 01:04:07
    I think that is a reasonable trade off and incredibly modest across the board reduction, a more significant reduction for people making more than 120% median income and a significant increase in low income housing.
  • 01:04:20
    That's what it actually realizes in practice.
  • 01:04:23
    And at the end of the day, if you're opposing rent stabilization, what you are saying is I think landlords need to be able to raise rents more than 10%
  • 01:04:32
    even when they've done nothing, even when there's no improvements to the home, I think we need to think that is what we're actually asking for the ability to do.
  • 01:04:40
    So that is my position on that.
  • 01:04:43
    Everything else I think is pretty straight down the middle by the by the books.
  • 01:04:47
    I don't think is particularly contentious, but I'd be happy to.
  • 01:04:52
    I love our policy positions as written here.
  • 01:04:54
    I think they're extraordinary.
  • 01:04:56
    And thank you so much for the staff work that went into this.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:04:59
    Thank you, Supervisor Gollum.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:05:02
    I think I've said everything I need to say the only add-on will be just for again from a strategy standpoint I know last year during the packet for the sunset clauses for the development items that that was last year advised that this would be the year that we should really get after that so we just have to make sure that that's a priority in our not just our meeting with our legislators but the advocacy when the GA convenes.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:05:25
    and I'll add that that was a position statement that was in last year's a position statement that's in this year's as well.
  • 01:05:30
    We did not go over all the things that got carried over from last year's to this, but that is in there.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:05:34
    And, you know, I didn't I wasn't trying, you know, the legal strategy for the forfeiture piece very close.
  • 01:05:41
    I mean, I think that's a smart.
  • 01:05:43
    I didn't mean I didn't want to come across was thinking, oh, that was wasted effort.
  • 01:05:46
    Understood.
  • 01:05:47
    That's a good idea.
  • 01:05:49
    I just the outcome will be curious to make certain.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:05:53
    I would like that opportunity because it enables the county to be able to retain
  • 01:06:10
    affordable housing when it is sold or converted, or maybe someone like Habitat for Humanity, other organizations, if that's what applies.
  • 01:06:23
    Rent stabilization, I want to see the study, still not sure on that.
  • 01:06:31
    the Devils in the details, I guess.
  • 01:06:33
    Debert points for truck violations.
  • 01:06:37
    It's interesting you say overweight trucks or unpermitted through trucks.
  • 01:06:43
    Could you explain?
  • 01:06:44
    Because I know the signs we have if they're over length trucks.
  • 01:06:50
    I haven't seen overweight trucks, but I guess that's also included, correct?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:06:55
    that that is a potential violation.
  • 01:06:56
    Yes, ma'am.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:06:57
    Okay.
  • 01:06:58
    And the over length trucks would be would come under unpermitted through trucks.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:07:03
    Well, it could that the unpermitted through trucks is if through trucks were not permitted at all.
  • 01:07:07
    So certain trucks are open to to certain truck.
  • 01:07:11
    They're sorry.
  • 01:07:12
    There are certain routes that are open to certain trucks, but not all trucks, whereas others are close to through trucks generally.
  • 01:07:19
    And that and the
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:07:21
    position statement that we had drafted was intended to to address both both ones that were overweight as well as those where they were on roads where they were through trucks were not permitted okay so if you have something in between like an over length truck that it's clearly marked trucks that are over 65 feet in length are not permitted on this road I don't think this addresses it doesn't
  • 01:07:46
    So we could certainly add that to the position statement if the board and that's why I brought it because I saw overweight and I thought, well, we need for over length trucks that are not permitted.
  • 01:07:57
    That should be included in my opinion.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:07:59
    Okay.
  • 01:08:00
    Thank you.
  • 01:08:01
    Thank you.
  • 01:08:01
    Supervisor Malik.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:08:04
    Thank you very much.
  • 01:08:05
    I'm especially supportive of the law.
  • 01:08:09
    I think all of these but the landlord tenant local
  • 01:08:14
    enforcement.
  • 01:08:15
    I have been contacted several times in the last several years by people desperate to get improvements to the place they have rented and they don't have a lease.
  • 01:08:25
    There are lots of people who live in places month to month and have no protection from a lease.
  • 01:08:31
    and the landlord now knows that no one's going to make him or her do anything.
  • 01:08:37
    And all they have to do is threaten that the person can just go if they don't like what's going on.
  • 01:08:43
    So that's why when I asked DSS and others, you know, how can we help these people?
  • 01:08:47
    They've said we have no authority, which is it's all up to the tenant.
  • 01:08:50
    So I really hope that there's some success that happens for that.
  • 01:08:56
    The as far as investment in rental property and the stabilization issue, I know that 50 years ago in Boston, there was, if there was reinvestment in the property, that was part of the whole discussion about the rent.
  • 01:09:10
    It was not a ban on things.
  • 01:09:12
    It was much more reasonable than that.
  • 01:09:13
    And I'm sure that reasonable people nowadays would do the same.
  • 01:09:19
    and I think in as far as the length of trucks right now it's a federal restriction that length and weight there are requirements and the box cannot be over 60 feet much plus the truck so it's even a smaller thing for federally and
  • 01:09:34
    there.
  • 01:09:35
    There's always, as I've mentioned to everybody in the past, there are bills every year to allow triple triples.
  • 01:09:42
    And, you know, we just have to keep going along here because the the moles are coming out of the holes.
  • 01:09:48
    Yeah.
  • 01:09:50
    So anyway, I thank you for all your work on this.
  • 01:09:52
    And hopefully we'll get there on something.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:09:56
    Thank you.
  • 01:09:57
    Supervisor McHugh.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:09:58
    Thank you, Andy.
  • 01:09:59
    Um,
  • 01:10:01
    Well, at one, I support.
  • 01:10:04
    Well, at two, I really want to take the time to thank Mike for talking about clarifying for the public what we're talking about, because I think, and my point only was in total when people looked at this package, they interpreted different what we were saying in different sections differently, and they put them all together, right?
  • 01:10:25
    And so I appreciate your talking about that.
  • 01:10:30
    I have to say I don't know enough about this and I am uncomfortable supporting this because we haven't even heard from Stacy.
  • 01:10:38
    I mean, Stacy is to me our housing person and I don't know that I want to put her on the spot right now.
  • 01:10:47
    That might not be fair, but I feel uncomfortable supporting it unless I've heard from our expert on our affordable housing and our housing.
  • 01:10:58
    Um, the demerits points for truck violations.
  • 01:11:02
    I have no problems supporting that.
  • 01:11:05
    Um, be tell me one more time though, how let's just make it clear how you would change this.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:11:11
    I would just add overweight or over length trucks because we have signs that say trucks that are over 65 feet not allowed on certain roads.
  • 01:11:21
    And you can tell if a truck is over 65 feet, if it has a sleeper cab, then they're going to be over 65 feet.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:11:31
    And I don't have any problem at all with those changes.
  • 01:11:36
    Oh, and I wanted to just say talk about the
  • 01:11:44
    Parking violation.
  • 01:11:46
    It would appear to me that there is a miscommunication or a gap in understanding around what we can do and what we can't do.
  • 01:11:56
    And I guess my question to that is there are so many bills every year that are passed.
  • 01:12:02
    so many different, so many bills that affect different departments in our work.
  • 01:12:09
    And we have a process that would say to at, you know, July one or right before July one, these
  • 01:12:19
    changes have passed the General Assembly and this is going to affect your work or you now have the ability to do that.
  • 01:12:26
    And maybe that would require too much work.
  • 01:12:28
    I don't know.
  • 01:12:29
    But if we have the ability to do this and someone in the department doesn't understand that we have that ability, that's a disconnect.
  • 01:12:37
    Or if the employees working in that department don't understand.
  • 01:12:41
    Right.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:12:41
    So the code section I share with you, I'm not sure when that was amended or if that's been a longstanding practice.
  • 01:12:47
    But to answer your question more directly, one other person I'd like to acknowledge that wasn't on the speaking order, but that's a great amount of work with our office, James Douglas, who's our FOIA author.
  • 01:12:55
    And as I said last time, he does a lot of things well, but one of them is managing the legislative process internally.
  • 01:13:03
    And so he does a fantastic job of alerting us to the bills when the assembly is in session.
  • 01:13:07
    And then our attorneys go to a number of continuing legal education programs that go over legislative changes.
  • 01:13:14
    So we try to stay on top of all the attorneys in our office trying to stay on top of changes and then informing their respective departmental clients about changes in the law from year to year.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:13:24
    And I'm sure as departments head change or as employees change, I get all that.
  • 01:13:29
    I mean, it gets complicated.
  • 01:13:32
    It would have been nice, and I guess it was my fault because I didn't reach out first to ask.
  • 01:13:37
    I just assumed when I was told, right?
  • 01:13:39
    And then it is what it is.
  • 01:13:41
    But if that's accurate, then we don't have to worry about it.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:13:44
    Not Albemarle, but again, my suspicion.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:13:46
    No, I'm saying for us.
  • 01:13:47
    We don't have to
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:13:49
    that's that's my understanding and I can certainly have that conversation with with the police chief.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:13:53
    That would be great because if we have that ability, yes, ma'am, because we even had the the citizens police advisory committee even had a discussion and during the meeting and supported that legislation.
  • 01:14:06
    So and that's fine.
  • 01:14:08
    It doesn't make any difference other than we just need to make sure we're all aware of what we're unable to do.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:14:13
    Yes, ma'am.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:14:14
    Just trying to figure out processes.
  • 01:14:15
    Yes, ma'am.
  • 01:14:15
    Thank you very much and appreciate your work on all this.
  • 01:14:17
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:14:18
    Thank you.
  • 01:14:20
    I am also very supportive of everything I see here, except that I have issues with the rent stabilization.
  • 01:14:25
    I really do appreciate Supervisor Bruitt's additional clarification.
  • 01:14:28
    But at this point, I'm appreciative of the JLARC or the study that we've recommended and hope it would help inform what actions we have to pursue this.
  • 01:14:40
    And I think there are several other things that are important here that I would put higher priorities such as being able to enforce my lord tenant.
  • 01:14:49
    with that, I guess I have to ask whether we are basically at a I know we're divided.
  • 01:14:55
    Do we have four people that want the rent stabilization in?
  • 01:14:58
    Are we are we the next thing on my agenda is whether or not you need a motion?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:15:05
    Yes, sir.
  • 01:15:06
    So I so I've moved ahead.
  • 01:15:07
    If the chair himself doesn't have further comments or questions about
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:15:11
    Additional items, as I said before, and you mentioned, I would like to consider the possibility of extended producer responsibility and the sustainable materials management as a subset of sustainable materials management, but otherwise I have no other additional items.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:15:28
    So so in the in the way of next steps, again, what the action that we're looking for out of today's session would be the adoption of the priority statement, which is Attachment A, as well as the position statement was Attachment B. As I indicated previously, both of those are subject to amendment additions, suggestions that the board may have.
  • 01:15:47
    If any of the statements don't reflect a consensus, I heard some support in Attachment B for including over length trucks in addition to overweight trucks.
  • 01:15:56
    That's certainly something that staff can do easily.
  • 01:15:59
    But what what the motion would be is if there's if there's no concern or no objection to the priorities, simply a motion to attach the or excuse me, a motion to adopt the priorities statement as in attachment A. And then if there are amendments to attachment B, there could be a motion to adopt the attachment B with whatever amendments the board consensus is.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:16:23
    So I may have muddled my response so badly that it wasn't clear.
  • 01:16:27
    I am happy to do the study first and learn what we can from the housing report rather than race to this, only because I don't want to put our lobbyists in a position of having something that somebody else comes up with that
  • 01:16:40
    may be completely over the top and then they're thinking that they should advocate for it based upon a decision that I've made without having enough information.
  • 01:16:49
    So if that changes your four to two, then please consider that.
  • 01:16:54
    But where in the process do we also figure out which ones we will ask our delegates to carry?
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:17:01
    and to me the landlord tenant one is the highest priority in this oops it went away in that list but um so anyway we'll figure that out i just that's the question that i don't know the answer to the process question in jim i'm still confused about the jail arc study because i'm told that the jail arc study is not appropriate so if we're talking about a study but a study the jail arc is not appropriate but if we're talking about a study then what kind of oh there you go
  • 01:17:26
    I think that's part of the discussion.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:17:28
    Mr. Chair, well, before Mr. I just do want to quickly suggest briefly, we're talking about how we want to know more about rent stabilization before we take action on it.
  • 01:17:38
    And I hear where the board said it sounds like it's either three, three or four, two on that.
  • 01:17:43
    So I understand.
  • 01:17:46
    I would remind the board that the study as proposed in our priorities does not actually address
  • 01:17:53
    rent stabilization in the standard form, it specifically asks about redevelopment concerns.
  • 01:17:59
    I would also highlight, I mentioned that I propose this as supporting implementation because that is where the momentum is in the house right now.
  • 01:18:08
    In previous years, the momentum had been around a study.
  • 01:18:12
    And that is just not the strategy that I think advocates are taking right now.
  • 01:18:15
    But if this board wants to instead support a study,
  • 01:18:20
    I think that would also be appropriate, but we would need to say that separately from the other study that we're asking for.
  • 01:18:26
    So I'm curious if the board would be interested in on the rent stabilization line, just support legislation that would instead of enable localities to implement rent stabilization that would study local implementation.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:18:41
    And that gets to my concern about not hearing from our from Stacy, from our housing expert.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:18:49
    and I would also like to know the cost involved in that study.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:18:54
    Well, I think this would be a statewide DHCD type study.
  • 01:18:57
    If it's a JLARC study, we're not doing that.
  • 01:19:00
    Not JLARC.
  • 01:19:01
    That's a different department.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 01:19:02
    Just one if I may.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:19:04
    Sorry for stepping on you there.
• • SPEAKER_18
  • 01:19:06
    Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the board.
  • 01:19:08
    David Blunt with TJPDC.
  • 01:19:11
    I think in the follow-up discussion I had with your staff was that if you went in and asked for a JLARC study,
  • 01:19:17
    you're limiting yourself to asking for a JLARC study.
  • 01:19:20
    So to make the option available to have either a JLARC study or a legislative study or an agency study, I mean, we see all kinds of forms of study that come about through the General Assembly process.
  • 01:19:34
    JLARC is tougher because, you know, there was one study resolution that was passed this past General Assembly session.
  • 01:19:43
    to direct a study, and it was a very large study related to, you know, social, economic, and so on and so on impacts of gun violence.
  • 01:19:52
    Huge study.
  • 01:19:53
    Many of the other studies that J-LARC is looking at for this coming year, they are taking that up in a number of ways.
  • 01:20:01
    They are the members of the J-LARC study subcommittee that bring forth, you know, what they see as priorities.
  • 01:20:08
    There's legislation from a previous session
  • 01:20:11
    that will come into play to see if it's appropriate to kind of seize upon those items as well.
  • 01:20:16
    So I think by having some language that is more general in nature, then you open yourself up to other possibilities to get this issue reviewed by whether it's a DHCD, a legislative study committee, or some other entity, rather than putting all your, you know, all your marbles into the JLARC bag, which, you know, and they're limited, JLARC itself, they are limited to, you know, four or five studies a year as they kind of look out
  • 01:20:41
    and they're always looking a year ahead to kind of see what they have in queue for for the next go round.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:20:47
    Thank you.
  • 01:20:50
    So, board, let's start with the first item, which is legislative priorities.
  • 01:20:55
    And I think that what we're seeing here is if I'm understanding this is on that original list that we have the priority items back a little bit further.
  • 01:21:07
    Yeah.
  • 01:21:10
    There we go.
  • 01:21:12
    That are listed here, whether any of those need to be revised at this point.
  • 01:21:18
    not hearing a lot of suggestions for revision, so I believe we are in a position to look for a motion to support our proposed legislative priorities as presented.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:21:28
    To adopt Attachment A as the county's legislative priorities.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:21:32
    To adopt Attachment A. Do we have a motion to adopt Attachment A as our legislative priorities?
  • 01:21:39
    To adopt?
  • 01:21:40
    Okay.
  • 01:21:41
    Second.
  • 01:21:43
    We have a motion for Supervisor Malek and a second from Supervisor Pruitt.
  • 01:21:48
    without objection that the court will call a roll.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 01:21:50
    Ms.
  • 01:21:50
    Malik.
  • 01:21:51
    Yes.
  • 01:21:51
    Ms.
  • 01:21:52
    McHeele.
  • 01:21:52
    Yes.
  • 01:21:53
    Mr. Pruitt.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:21:53
    Aye.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 01:21:54
    Mr. Andrews.
  • 01:21:55
    Yes.
  • 01:21:56
    Mr. Galloway.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:21:56
    Yes.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 01:21:57
    Ms.
  • 01:21:57
    Elpisa.
  • 01:21:58
    Bye.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:21:59
    Thank you.
  • 01:22:00
    Now, board, we are looking at the question of whether we want to amend Attachment B, legislative positions and policy statements, before considering a motion to adopt an amended Attachment B.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:22:15
    That's correct.
  • 01:22:16
    And I had heard again in the earlier discussion about the over length trucks that seem to be something that the board had discussed as a possible amendment to attachment.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:22:25
    And so one proposed amendment would be to over length trucks.
  • 01:22:30
    I don't know whether you need amendment related to extended producer responsibility.
  • 01:22:33
    So that's included.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:22:34
    We certainly could if the chair of the board wanted that to be as we certainly could.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:22:39
    Okay.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:22:40
    So would that statement be sustainable materials management, including extended producer response?
  • 01:22:46
    We can certainly add that if that's the consensus of the board.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:22:51
    And then the last, I think the last issue is whether we include the rent stabilization language that's in here, whether we modify it or whether we remove it.
  • 01:23:03
    I sort of need to know from the board where, which direction you'd like to go in that regard.
  • 01:23:10
    Well, I would suggest for moving it at this point, we have a study coming on JLAR.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:23:15
    Well, the study that we've requested, the priority is the agency study.
  • 01:23:19
    The study that we have requested in the priority section is different and would not touch on this.
  • 01:23:23
    If we want a study in order to learn more on it, we would need to amend the language rather than remove it to request a study of
  • 01:23:32
    support language that would study localities implementing rent stabilization and rent countering protections.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:23:39
    And do we know who would do that?
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:23:42
    I think the point is that we would leave it open.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:23:44
    We'd leave it open.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:23:45
    But it would not be us.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:23:47
    It would be an agency supporting a statewide study.
  • 01:23:52
    I can accept that.
  • 01:23:56
    Okay, so what I'm hearing if I may for the board suggest that we're looking for a motion to adopt attachment be with the amendments that we include other like trucks that we include extended producer responsibility and sustainable materials management and that refer a reference to rates stabilization be support legislation that would study localities implementing of rent stabilization.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:24:21
    or if I might suggest to support a study or to support the study of or a state study of local information rather than legislation.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 01:24:30
    Yes.
  • 01:24:32
    I'm sorry.
  • 01:24:32
    State study.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:24:33
    To support a state study.
  • 01:24:35
    Right.
  • 01:24:36
    Yes, ma'am.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:24:36
    Thank you.
  • 01:24:38
    And I hate to muddy the waters if we're agreeing on that, but I had noted and didn't mention it because under transportation funding,
  • 01:24:48
    We have allowed Charlottesville-Almore Regional Transit Authority to establish a new dedicated funding source to support multimodal transportation in the region.
  • 01:24:56
    While that is great to do, that's probably premature for our authority because we have not even established an authority yet.
  • 01:25:06
    We have to establish the authority first.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:25:09
    Well, and as we've discussed, there is an authority that exists.
  • 01:25:13
    It doesn't, it hurt, sorry, that there's enabling authority that allows that authority to be adopted.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:25:18
    But I'm just clarifying that we're anticipating that we would not be going to the General Assembly
  • 01:25:26
    this session, but next session, because the city council and the board of supervisors have to approve the authority for us.
  • 01:25:38
    We have the enabling authority, but we have to approve it.
  • 01:25:41
    And then we have to that authority has to meet and
  • 01:25:46
    determine what we're actually asking for.
  • 01:25:48
    I'm just saying.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:25:49
    So what I'd like to do is look to Mr. Blanermas.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:25:51
    And I'm looking to Ann.
  • 01:25:52
    Where is Ann?
  • 01:25:53
    Because Ann Wall has been involved in this.
  • 01:25:55
    Oh, she's not back there.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:25:56
    OK, that's fine.
  • 01:25:57
    And these folks may be better able to address the timing.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:26:00
    Yes.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:26:01
    And why that particular.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:26:01
    I'm just a little concerned because we're now voting on this amendment that has this statement in it.
  • 01:26:06
    Right.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:26:07
    So I'll defer to them as to why that position statement.
• • SPEAKER_18
  • 01:26:10
    OK.
  • 01:26:11
    And I think I'll just be very brief in saying I believe that that position statement has been in your right there for a number of years.
  • 01:26:19
    So it has, you know, I certainly what you say and I believe that that reflects the position that the group has taken.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:26:25
    And it's probably been in there and now it's becoming a reality because we're
  • 01:26:30
    for actually dealing with an authority, right?
• • SPEAKER_19
  • 01:26:32
    Yes.
  • 01:26:32
    Good afternoon, Emily Kilroy.
  • 01:26:34
    Thank you for having us here this afternoon to continue this conversation.
  • 01:26:38
    So we had talked at the September work session on this topic that we would start talking, so utilizing that this could be something that would be emerging maybe as soon as next year.
  • 01:26:50
    so that that conversation is not new when we hit next year.
  • 01:26:53
    But as Mr. Blunt referenced, that same language has been unchanged for several years.
  • 01:26:59
    And so we thought we may as well keep it in there for consistency, but again, sort of change our posture and how we address that in the meetings that we have with the legislators.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:27:09
    and we did have that conversation and I recognize that I just want to make sure now that we're actually the city council and board of supervisors are going to be supporting the creation of the authority under our existing law that this isn't confusing.
  • 01:27:26
    That's all.
  • 01:27:27
    I just want to make sure everybody understood.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:27:28
    Thank you.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:27:29
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:27:29
    Supervisor Malek.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:27:34
    I think 2006 or 2007, I think what convinced me that this is good to keep, it says allow a transit authority, not the.
  • 01:27:45
    We're not saying that we've already done it, but having the parallel effort to go along, because sometime in the next year, I would assume that this will come to both jurisdictions and get its up or down vote.
  • 01:27:56
    And this could continue to be plotting along.
  • 01:27:59
    through the committee halls down there, so I support leaving along.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:28:02
    And that's fine too.
  • 01:28:03
    I just wanted to make sure everybody understood, right?
  • 01:28:05
    And Jeff, I've seen you lean in a couple of times.
  • 01:28:07
    Did you have something you actually wanted to say?
• • Jeff Richardson
  • 01:28:11
    You'd look for Ms.
  • 01:28:12
    Wall and you were looking for timing and I was just going to say that you're absolutely correct, that that were one year away.
  • 01:28:20
    Yes.
  • 01:28:21
    And I wasn't sure that this was language that had been in previously, but that
  • 01:28:26
    that it appears that we're based on the discussions that are happening at the RTP that it's one year away.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:28:31
    Yeah, so we're we're in good shape, folks.
  • 01:28:33
    So everybody's on the same page.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:28:35
    So it's only that attachment be with the amendments previously discussed with those three amendments, the overlinked trunks, the extended producer responsibility and then making rent stabilization a study rather than supportive legislation.
  • 01:28:47
    Those would what I'm hearing to be the three amendments to attachment be looking for a motion to that effect.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:28:53
    I'm sorry.
  • 01:28:53
    Did you say the right the right of our first refusal?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:28:57
    My understanding is that there was that in the last that there was no interest in removing that that that would be no interest in removing good that there'd be the my understanding is that the board is ready to prove that is submitted.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:29:07
    Sorry.
  • 01:29:07
    Thank you.
  • 01:29:09
    We are looking for a motion to approve a test.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:29:13
    It was not taking that in real time.
  • 01:29:15
    So I don't know the precision with which we need the language of the amendment by Imagine since we're amending specific language, we need it somewhat precise.
  • 01:29:23
    Is that correct?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:29:25
    I believe it can be done more generally.
  • 01:29:28
    I mean, if the board would like to see the amendments, we certainly can provide that to the board, but we're also looking.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:29:37
    I would like to move that the board adopt the legislative priorities as discussed to include the three amendments adding over length trucks, producer responsibilities, and a study on the effects of rent stabilization implemented locally.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:29:53
    So, and just to clarify, am I understanding that you want to adopt the legislative positions that were articulated attachment be with those amendments?
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:30:01
    Did I remake the motion?
  • 01:30:03
    You had said priority.
  • 01:30:04
    I did.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:30:05
    I want to make sure that we're talking about legislative positions and attachment with the three amendments that you had articulated.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:30:11
    That is correct.
  • 01:30:12
    Correct.
  • 01:30:12
    Do I need to rearticulate the motion?
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:30:14
    Not as far as I'm concerned.
  • 01:30:15
    I'm going to jump in with a second.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:30:16
    I think we have a motion from Supervisor Pruitt and a second from Supervisor McKeel.
  • 01:30:22
    I really don't think there's additional clarification needed.
  • 01:30:26
    But are there any other concerns?
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:30:29
    Yeah, I'd like to see the exact wording after we approve it.
  • 01:30:33
    But if he could email us the exact wording, that'd be great.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:30:36
    Yes, ma'am.
  • 01:30:36
    We can certainly do that.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:30:40
    trusting the system to some extent.
  • 01:30:43
    If there are no further objections, well, if the court will call a roll.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 01:30:47
    Ms.
  • 01:30:47
    Malik.
  • 01:30:48
    Yes.
  • 01:30:48
    Ms.
  • 01:30:48
    McKeel.
  • 01:30:49
    Yes.
  • 01:30:49
    Mr. Pruitt.
• • SPEAKER_00
  • 01:30:50
    Aye.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 01:30:51
    Mr. Andrews.
  • 01:30:52
    Yes.
  • 01:30:52
    Mr. Galloway.
  • 01:30:53
    Yes.
  • 01:30:53
    Ms.
  • 01:30:53
    Lapisto-Curtlough.
  • 01:30:54
    Aye.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:30:56
    Great.
  • 01:30:56
    Thank you.
  • 01:30:57
    Before I surrender the mic here, I did want to give one last update, and that is the legislative form.
  • 01:31:02
    The board has received a number of emails asking for availability.
  • 01:31:06
    We're still scheduling or looking for a mutually available date.
  • 01:31:10
    Unfortunately, it appears as though there's not a single date that works for the entire legislative delegation.
  • 01:31:15
    We've narrowed it down to two different dates for which there's one member of the legislative delegation that's unavailable.
  • 01:31:21
    And staff's proposal would be that we select on one of those dates
  • 01:31:25
    have the absent legislator represented by a chief of staff or legislative aid and then also get with that absent legislator one-on-one in advance of the session.
  • 01:31:34
    That may be the best that we can do given that no data is available to the entire delegation.
  • 01:31:40
    And if that suits the board, that's what staff will proceed with doing in terms of scheduling the legislative form.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:31:46
    Sounds good to me.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 01:31:47
    Very good.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:31:47
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:31:48
    Thank you all very much.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:31:51
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 01:31:52
    If in the future, we might consider different words than priority and positions, because I think the fact those both start with a pa sound is really swirling us all up.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:32:04
    Thank you.
  • 01:32:04
    Well, the board, this brings us to our presentation of the Economic Outlook Report, which is being led by Mr. Andy Bowman, Assistant Chief Financial Officer with the assistance of Dr. Cheryl Bailey, visiting Professor of Practice for Junior Tech.
  • 01:32:20
    Welcome.
  • 01:32:20
    again.
• • SPEAKER_12
  • 01:32:24
    Thank you for the introduction and good afternoon to Chair Anders and the board.
  • 01:32:29
    Today, there is no action requested of the board.
  • 01:32:31
    This is an annual presentation we give to the board on the economic outlook.
  • 01:32:36
    Before we get into the content in our featured guest speaker today, this is really kicking off the long range financial planning process that the board holds every fall.
  • 01:32:45
    will have three meetings before we get into the annual budget process in February.
  • 01:32:49
    After today, we'll be back in November to discuss the county's five year financial plan.
  • 01:32:54
    That'll be our outlook where we look at all of our assumptions and expenditures and revenues.
  • 01:32:58
    We'll take a look at how this report translates into that revenue forecast.
  • 01:33:02
    We'll take a look at to what extent the expenditures can be the upcoming obligations we have and how we can address those, such as new facilities open, we'll need to operate them.
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    Existing grants may expire.
  • 01:33:14
    We would need to evaluate continuing that service.
  • 01:33:16
    So those questions, in addition to how well is that five year plan moving forward, the board strategic plan?
  • 01:33:22
    Those would be things we evaluate with the board and supervisors in November.
  • 01:33:27
    and December, there will be a joint meeting with the school board where we'll be really focused on goal five of the strategic plan around the school capital request as we have done for the past two years.
  • 01:33:38
    So, but getting back today, this is really continuing a partnership we've had now for three years with Dr. Bailey.
  • 01:33:46
    We're very fortunate that the Department of Finance and Budget, we have a host of very talented analysts and other financial professionals who have a really in-depth expertise of the county's revenues, how things work locally.
  • 01:33:58
    What this report does is it augments our understanding by connecting the work and knowledge we have to what is happening regionally at the state, national levels and even globally and how those impacts translate.
  • 01:34:09
    We were very fortunate that that team we got to spend about an hour and a half Dr. Bailey this morning.
  • 01:34:13
    And even though this report goes to the board once a year, we remain engaged with her throughout the year with regular updates and ongoing dialogue.
  • 01:34:21
    was actually part of the team with our CFO, Jacob Sumner, and our chief operating officer, Christian Schifflett, presenting at the regional ICMA conference in Pittsburgh about some of this work and how that's tied into our strategic plan.
  • 01:34:33
    If you've heard me reference strategic plan several times, that is intentional because when we do the strategic plan and the budget right, it should feel like one process.
  • 01:34:41
    So with that, it's my privilege to introduce Dr. Cheryl Bailey.
  • 01:34:45
    She has about 30 years of experience in the private sector as a senior leader at both the state and local level.
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    She has served as part of gubernatorial cabinets.
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    She has led the municipal bond bank in Virginia, directing that.
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    She is always on the leading edge as presenting on Capitol Hill in the past when it comes to changes in financial tax law changes around bonds.
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    She has been serving on the board of directors for the municipal security rulemaking board and a visiting economist on the board of governors of the federal reserve system.
  • 01:35:19
    And of course, this says that may have not done her full list of accomplishments and experience full, but this is to say nothing of her extensive experience in higher education academia.
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    We're after obtaining her bachelor's at Norfolk State and receiving her master's and doctorate from Harvard.
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    She's been a part of the faculty at Harvard, Virginia Commonwealth University, Old Dominion, Hampton, William & Mary, and Virginia Tech, where she is currently a visiting professor of practice.
  • 01:35:44
    So again, it is my honor and privilege to introduce Dr. Cheryl Bailey for the remainder of the presentation, and I'll be available for questions with Dr. Bailey after we're done.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 01:35:50
    Thank you.
  • 01:35:52
    Welcome, Dr. Bailey.
  • 01:35:54
    The school is in session.
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    We always look forward to this.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 01:36:00
    It is good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, members of the board, Mr. Richardson, all members, senior leaders on the dais.
  • 01:36:12
    It is distinct pleasure to be back with you again with our
  • 01:36:19
    I would say one of the top counties in America with a triple AAA many say AAA but it's important to know you have a triple AAA it's the rare 9a club about 1% of all counties in the U.S.
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    have that and that permeates all aspects
  • 01:36:41
    of your organization and the team has been extremely wonderful to work with.
  • 01:36:48
    And there are questions.
  • 01:36:49
    Boy, do I have a list of questions just from this morning and then the sidebar we have after that.
  • 01:36:55
    So I find it thrilling to work with you as an organization and with your team.
  • 01:37:02
    With that, the thirst, the thirst that comes from Albemarle
  • 01:37:08
    is just energizing.
  • 01:37:11
    And so you want to do well and you want to do better.
  • 01:37:13
    And I get that with every conversation with every member here.
  • 01:37:18
    So today we're going to start with the bottom line.
  • 01:37:20
    So start with the bottom line up front.
  • 01:37:23
    In terms of the U.S.
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    and Albemarle County's economic outlook, then I'll do an overview, a quick overview of the U.S.
  • 01:37:32
    trends and outlook.
  • 01:37:33
    Then we'll take a deeper dive into Albemarle County, your economic trends and outlook, and then have some closing and some recommendations.
  • 01:37:41
    So bottom line, I worked very hard to choose this slide.
  • 01:37:44
    It's mostly sunny.
  • 01:37:47
    So, you know, my granddaughter, we have this calendar, you know, you have this different things, partly sunny, mostly sunny, all sunny, cloudy.
  • 01:37:55
    So it's mostly sunny.
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    And so we could say partly sunny, partly cloudy, but it's mostly sunny.
  • 01:38:02
    And we have come through, we have walked through the fire and we're coming on the other side.
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    We still have to emerge.
  • 01:38:08
    We have a sturdy economy, a solid US economy.
  • 01:38:13
    Jay Powell chairman says we're in a good place.
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    We have a solid economy with some moderate growth ahead.
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    We are coming in for that all knowing soft landing.
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    It's not going to be linear.
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    We're going to have some we've having some bumps along the way, but we are coming in for that.
  • 01:38:31
    And we'll talk about that further.
  • 01:38:33
    So some moderate growth ahead.
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    I will say that US is doing the best amongst all mature economies.
  • 01:38:41
    And I'll talk a little bit more about that.
  • 01:38:43
    Albemarle County has a solid economic base and we've looked at it in many different ways and it is still solid.
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    We do have some things we are always looking at.
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    We're always watching for and we'll talk about that.
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    But also this provides you a scope to plan
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    and to act proactively.
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    In my role at Virginia Tech, we get calls and conversations from many localities.
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    We had many were catching me at the Virginia meeting at ICMA talking about issues locally.
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    And so to have your solid base, your proactive management, your scope to plan and act proactively is all those are tremendous assets for Albemarle.
  • 01:39:30
    So looking at the U.S., this is the overall chart we use for the United States.
  • 01:39:36
    We're going to do real GDP.
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    Real is the term we use for inflation-injusted.
  • 01:39:42
    So we've taken out inflation.
  • 01:39:43
    We want to look at what's real versus memorax.
  • 01:39:45
    I don't know if anyone else is old enough to know what that means here, besides me.
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    and so we're going to with inflation.
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    This is all inflation adjusted.
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    That's out.
  • 01:39:55
    So we're looking at some core fundamentals in the economy.
  • 01:39:59
    Another term for real or inflation adjusted is current dollars, constant dollars.
  • 01:40:04
    I'm sorry, constant dollars.
  • 01:40:06
    I hope I have that.
  • 01:40:07
    I think it should be constant dollars.
  • 01:40:09
    I think I have my footnote wrong.
  • 01:40:10
    I'll correct that.
  • 01:40:12
    So we grew very well in the first half of 2024.
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    actually the second quarter got revised up.
  • 01:40:21
    We did 3% in the second quarter, about one and a half the first quarter.
  • 01:40:26
    We're doing well in terms of 2024.
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    We have we are now emerging into the pre pandemic level of
  • 01:40:38
    average annual growth.
  • 01:40:40
    Now, these charts have been curated specifically for this presentation and report.
  • 01:40:46
    I build them on the massive FRED database, Federal Reserve economic data, all of the federal data feeds into that database is interactive and I build these by hand.
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    The gray bar, all gray bars identify
  • 01:41:08
    Recessions.
  • 01:41:10
    This shows the two quarter recession we had in 2020.
  • 01:41:14
    That's determined by the National Bureau of Economic Research.
  • 01:41:17
    And also I have 2017 to 2019 here.
  • 01:41:21
    We have been through, it feels like we've been through a roller coaster because we have, you can see it here.
  • 01:41:25
    And so 2017 to 2019 we're using as the pre-pandemic
  • 01:41:30
    Point of Comparison for Context and not using one year, using a three year period, 2017 to 2019.
  • 01:41:39
    We do that throughout the report and we've been doing it ever since we started with this roller coaster.
  • 01:41:45
    So in 2020, we decline 2.2% overall the entire year.
  • 01:41:53
    That's pretty good because once we kind of bounce back, we really bounce back.
  • 01:41:57
    Um, we got out the good out, get out of jail free card and we went for it.
  • 01:42:02
    And so the economy, um, really started to pick up into 22.
  • 01:42:06
    So we hit, we all over, even after the steep drop, um, beginning of the pandemic, minus 2.2.
  • 01:42:12
    2021, we grew 6.1% annually.
  • 01:42:12
    See adjusted annual rate of growth.
  • 01:42:14
    Then in 22, we grew 2.5%.
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    that was after the inflation adjustment.
  • 01:42:29
    That's all inflation adjusted.
  • 01:42:31
    Last year, we just got the new data.
  • 01:42:35
    We have the annual update 2.9% in 2023, much stronger than we had really anticipated.
  • 01:42:42
    So we were extremely resilient and we're heading toward about 2.6% median forecast for this year.
  • 01:42:51
    So we're rolling along and the 2.6
  • 01:42:57
    looks like, if you can see it visually here, it looks like that pre-pandemic period.
  • 01:43:03
    But we've been through this up and down, and so we're normalizing.
  • 01:43:08
    We're normalizing, and it feels relative to the previous experience, but we're normalizing.
  • 01:43:14
    Now, 2.5% growth after you've had 6%, you know, everything's relative, right?
  • 01:43:21
    So we look back to that 2017 to 2019 period, and we were in a solid economy.
  • 01:43:26
    but it is slower than that really those peaks and high of 2 of 6% 3% but it's a good manageable rate in terms of going forward in terms of jobs.
  • 01:43:40
    We have recovered the jobs that we lost.
  • 01:43:43
    during the steep, steep period of the pandemic, we have recovered those jobs by the middle of 2022 nationally.
  • 01:43:51
    And we have continued to grow since then, looking at 2024, I mean, September as of last month, we were four and a half percent ahead on the total number of jobs in the U.S.
  • 01:44:03
    as compared to February 2020, just before the pandemic.
  • 01:44:07
    If you just drew a line from before the pandemic till now, we are on that trajectory and beyond.
  • 01:44:13
    So we're back on that trajectory in terms of overall job growth.
  • 01:44:17
    This is not the same jobs.
  • 01:44:18
    They're not in the same place.
  • 01:44:20
    They're not the same type of jobs, but they're jobs.
  • 01:44:23
    So after every recession, there is some kind of adjustment.
  • 01:44:28
    There's acceleration of previous trends.
  • 01:44:30
    Every recession is an accelerant of whatever trend was already in the pipeline.
  • 01:44:36
    And so we've had some changes in jobs, how we do that.
  • 01:44:40
    Everybody's not in the office like they used to be, so those jobs have changed.
  • 01:44:44
    and looking at our monthly growth, this is zooming in on 2021 to 2024 as of last month, latest data.
  • 01:44:52
    We are now in solid job growth, but we have gone through hot, red, hot.
  • 01:44:57
    We were red, hot.
  • 01:45:00
    Then we got hot.
  • 01:45:02
    Now we're solid.
  • 01:45:03
    We are averaging, we averaged 200,000 monthly new jobs, first nine months of this year.
  • 01:45:12
    Now, you'll see some bumpiness there.
  • 01:45:14
    And of course, every time we get a preliminary number, everybody loses their their hair.
  • 01:45:20
    But we all know we know that the statistics get revised monthly for three months as more complete data comes in.
  • 01:45:28
    And then they have an annual
  • 01:45:30
    TrueUp, if you will, just like we do annual TrueUps in all kinds of business and government.
  • 01:45:36
    So we don't want to get overly excited about any particular month, but we do want to keep a watchful eye, watchful eye for trends, solid job growth in the U.S.
  • 01:45:47
    In terms of unemployment, I have three metrics here to expand our view, to have a broader view than beyond the headline inflation.
  • 01:45:59
    The official unemployment rate is only one of the six measures that the Bureau of Labor Statistics publishes monthly.
  • 01:46:10
    We get six measures of labor underutilization.
  • 01:46:14
    So U3 is the headline official, quote unquote, official rate.
  • 01:46:20
    That's the official rate.
  • 01:46:21
    And that is a very narrow snapshot.
  • 01:46:25
    It is a four week snapshot shot from one middle of one month to the middle of the previous month.
  • 01:46:31
    It's only four weeks.
  • 01:46:33
    If you actively look for work six weeks ago, you're not in the data.
  • 01:46:37
    and U3.
  • 01:46:37
    You're out.
  • 01:46:39
    You're not even in civilian labor force.
  • 01:46:40
    You don't exist in that data.
  • 01:46:43
    So U6 is the broadest measure.
  • 01:46:46
    We want a broader measure, especially so we know what's going on in the economy, but also especially for us in government.
  • 01:46:53
    Our social services department knows very well these broader statistics.
  • 01:46:58
    They know them very well.
  • 01:46:59
    They live them.
  • 01:47:00
    That's there.
  • 01:47:00
    Those are their
  • 01:47:05
    the people they serve.
  • 01:47:07
    And so U6 is a broader measure for those who have looked actively look for work in the last 12 months, it's called a marginally attached.
  • 01:47:14
    And it also includes the persons who are underemployed, part time for economic reasons.
  • 01:47:21
    Now, this is based on a household survey that BLS and Census does every month.
  • 01:47:26
    And the questions, the series of questions,
  • 01:47:30
    Do you want a full-time job?
  • 01:47:31
    Yes.
  • 01:47:32
    Are you ready, willing and able to work a full-time job now?
  • 01:47:36
    Now, yes.
  • 01:47:38
    I want a full-time job.
  • 01:47:39
    I'm willing, able and ready to work a full-time job now.
  • 01:47:45
    But I've had to settle for a part-time schedule for economic reasons.
  • 01:47:51
    But I want to, this is what we also call maybe sometimes working.
  • 01:47:59
    working lower income households, but we know that's with our social services.
  • 01:48:03
    We always want to watch that at all times because that's almost oftentimes the canary in the coal mine.
  • 01:48:10
    And so that's the orange figure, U6.
  • 01:48:13
    The Federal Reserve has its own additional measure, non-employment index.
  • 01:48:18
    The Federal Reserve has two mandates.
  • 01:48:21
    Prystability, but also maximum employment.
  • 01:48:23
    So they also watch employment very carefully.
  • 01:48:26
    The Non-Employment Index uses the Bureau of Labor Statistics micro data, but they do a finer analysis.
  • 01:48:35
    They look at each sub
  • 01:48:37
    category to look at the probability based on history of being re-employed.
  • 01:48:43
    That non-employment index is a little over 8%.
  • 01:48:46
    The U6 is over 7%.
  • 01:48:49
    It's about 7.5%.
  • 01:48:52
    In September, official unemployment rate was 4.1%.
  • 01:48:57
    All those measures have ticked up recently, but they're still historically low.
  • 01:49:02
    So with historical low levels, it's ticked up historically low levels.
  • 01:49:07
    But we do have, you can look at the charts, the blue line, the orange line, the purple line.
  • 01:49:12
    We have chronic under utilization of labor.
  • 01:49:19
    Chronic in good times and bad times.
  • 01:49:22
    We have that.
  • 01:49:23
    And the Harvard Business School calls those hidden workers.
  • 01:49:27
    those are the underemployed.
  • 01:49:28
    They're already in the workforce, or they really want to be in the workforce, and that's considered hidden workers.
  • 01:49:36
    So focusing on that to those, that potential pool for relieving labor shortages, which are projected to continue and expand with our aging workforce and demographics.
  • 01:49:53
    Looking at the consumer, we watch the consumer very closely.
  • 01:49:57
    is all about the consumer in so many respects.
  • 01:50:01
    It gets so much of the headlines because consumer spending is nearly 70% of gross domestic product.
  • 01:50:11
    Then we also have business spending and business investment spending, private business investment spending, government spending, and then net exports, exports versus imports.
  • 01:50:23
    As goes the consumer, goes the US economy.
  • 01:50:28
    So we look at that quite a bit.
  • 01:50:29
    Here we have the blue bars are real inflation adjusted disposable income that's buying power.
  • 01:50:36
    The orange bars are consumer spending.
  • 01:50:39
    The takeaway here is that once we got past the early part of the pandemic, the orange bars are above the line.
  • 01:50:46
    This is the growth in spending as compared to a year ago.
  • 01:50:52
    even when inflation took a bite out of income in 2022, and the blue bars went below the line, the consumer drove on.
  • 01:51:03
    So plow through, the consumer has been cranky, but the consumer has been spending.
  • 01:51:11
    The consumer has been spending, and that has been a firewall in our economy.
  • 01:51:17
    How did the consumer maintain that spending even in the face of changing disposable income?
  • 01:51:23
    One, tight labor market, increasing wage rates and growth and job growth.
  • 01:51:30
    So they felt good about future some future job opportunity.
  • 01:51:34
    But also consumers spent down the savings that they accumulated while we were cocooning.
  • 01:51:41
    and Nesting at Home.
  • 01:51:43
    And they have spent those down.
  • 01:51:45
    In fact, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco measures that all the excess savings that had been built up prior to during the pandemic.
  • 01:51:55
    have been expended.
  • 01:51:57
    They had exhausted those by March June this year.
  • 01:52:01
    So spent down those savings also increased debt.
  • 01:52:05
    Orange line is the debt, blue line is the savings.
  • 01:52:09
    That's how they kept the spending going.
  • 01:52:11
    You'll see that those have improved slightly
  • 01:52:15
    in the first part of this year.
  • 01:52:17
    I'm sorry, during the course of this year, kind of slowed down on both dimensions.
  • 01:52:21
    So the low savings rate, the high loan level has kind of slowed down.
  • 01:52:25
    You have to service that debt.
  • 01:52:26
    The high interest rates mean that those of consumer loans are something, has some carrying costs.
  • 01:52:34
    So the consumer is beginning to really value engineer its budget, value engineer its spending.
  • 01:52:43
    It's looking for
  • 01:52:45
    for value.
  • 01:52:47
    So it's down trading, but also selective splurging, selective splurging.
  • 01:52:53
    And the first number one thing they intend to splurge on is meals, restaurant meals.
  • 01:53:00
    Go have a nice dinner, right?
  • 01:53:02
    Second is some apparel and also travel, but they're looking for value and travel.
  • 01:53:09
    So maybe we're not going to Tahiti this year.
  • 01:53:11
    We're going to maybe have closer home.
  • 01:53:15
    and
  • 01:53:32
    We're heading there.
  • 01:53:34
    Gradually, that's not going to be a straight line.
  • 01:53:36
    There's some bumpiness, but we're heading there.
  • 01:53:38
    Three measures here.
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    Two that you hear about in the news.
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    One, the Fed watches.
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    So the Fed likes it.
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    I like it.
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    I'll start there with the purple line.
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    They like it, I like it.
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    This is where they are fine tuning.
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    Purple line is PCE inflation, personal consumption, expenditure inflation, also called PCE index, also called the PCE deflator, they're all the same.
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    In that particular measure, the Bureau of Economic Analysis makes adjustments monthly for the substitutions we all do with changes in prices.
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    I keep my phone in the store and I'm looking, okay, can I get this cheaper?
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    And now I won't call out, I won't publicize my favorite stores but I have the apps.
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    Oh, how much difference is it?
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    20 cents, not worth driving for.
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    Two dollars, I'm considering it, right?
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    And so we all make those
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    Well, I do.
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    I'm my grandmother's granddaughter.
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    She was our child care.
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    So I was with home with her and I learned all my economics with grandma from Southampton County.
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    And so she got me stuck, got me started on the on this trail.
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    And so those substitutions, do I buy the
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    store brand or do I buy the name brand?
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    We all substitute.
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    Strawberries are more expensive now, but it's coming into apple and orange season.
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    So we make all these adjustments.
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    So our market basket changes.
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    That is very much getting close to 2%.
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    That's a finer measure, and the Fed is using that.
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    Headline inflation is the blue line.
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    That's what we hear that comes from BLS.
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    That includes that uses a fixed market basket, so it only adjusts over time.
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    And core inflation is the orange line that takes out food and energy.
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    So two key takeaways.
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    The inflation is heading to the 2% target, but also the orange line is above the blue line.
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    Core inflation is above headline inflation.
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    That's unusual.
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    is usually reverse because food and energy are normally the ones that cause that to really bounce around.
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    We're having some sticky aspects of inflation in terms of healthcare and housing.
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    Those are really
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    hanging in there, coming down slowly, sometimes not coming down in terms of elements of inflation.
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    So those are the sticky, some key sticky areas of inflation, healthcare and housing.
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    And so it's taking longer for that to work through.
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    Also on the housing side, they actually use a renewals and not new
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    vacancy advertisements.
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    So those renewals actually have to come through the system.
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    That takes at least a year to come through or more for that to come down.
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    And also we're having affordability issues in housing.
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    In terms of the Fed, it is recalibrated its monetary policy.
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    They started, so they recalibrated in response to inflation coming down, unemployment ticking up a little bit.
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    And so we've made enough progress.
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    They're doing two things.
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    One is talked about all the time.
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    The other is just going on and we don't talk about it.
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    But it's important that we know what's going on.
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    One is we've gone, we've given it, we've eased up on the on the interest rate.
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    They had one start.
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    They began the rate easing cycle.
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    The projections that came out last month is they intend to gradually, they intend to gradually continue to slowly draw down rates to the end of next year.
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    But it's going to be on a meeting by meeting basis, meeting by meeting based on emerging data.
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    The other aspect they did last year is they're continuing to draw down their balance sheet.
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    The balance sheet is how they flooded the market with liquidity to keep the financial markets going.
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    They have not slowed that down.
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    So think about driving with your brakes on.
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    The brakes are still on the balance sheet drawdown.
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    And they gave it a little bit of gas on the interest rate that's going to be happening gradually.
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    So we are still in restrictive monetary policy territory.
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    and it's going to take time for that to work through.
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    We don't want to open up the floodgates and have inflation bounce back on us.
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    So that's part of that piloting.
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    You just can't let the gas and the brake go at the same time.
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    So they're calibrating.
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    This is a recalibration.
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    We don't talk about the orange line, but it's a steep drawdown.
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    Of course, they had a steep uptick too.
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    So that's still going on.
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    Oh, excuse me.
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    So the threat, before I ask the question, can they thread the needle?
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    I'm here.
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    I feel confident to say they are threading the needle.
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    They've shown demonstrated commitment to, and Chairman Powell has said this repeatedly since July, since he first signaled the rate, August, since he first signaled the rate adjustment that happened in September, that the economy is in good shape and they committed it committed to keeping it there.
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    to keeping it that way.
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    And so they are committed to threading this needle, tame inflation, maintain financial stability, and avoid a recession.
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    It looks like we're coming in to that.
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    And all forecasts are predicting a landing, and not necessarily, and no forecasts include a recession.
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    That is significant.
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    I know I've been here before and said, look for a recession.
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    Well, that's not the case today.
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    But the recession did happen.
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    It just didn't happen here.
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    It happened full out.
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    Drop the mic, period.
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    It happened in Europe and in UK.
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    They're struggling to get back to a 0.5% annual growth rate, annual.
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    Canada grew at half our rate.
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    have.
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    So less than half, actually.
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    So we've had a resilient, solid economy.
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    We're expecting some cooling, again, some slowing down on that particular and that consumer.
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    Right sizing.
  • 02:00:26
    I would say we're doing some right sizing to normalizing and we're expecting so we're going to have we expect
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    some quarters that are going to be cooler and then have a rebound in 2025 such that 2.6% is the medium forecast or the prominent forecast and you have the details in your report for 2024 and overall hitting about 1.9% close to near-term growth in 2025 and then 2% percent above in 2026.
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    So we have a number of risks to the forecast.
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    There are a lot of things going on domestically and globally.
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    Big things could
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    create some imbalance in this forecast or accumulation of a number of small things.
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    So that means we have to stay vigilant, stay watchful, look for emerging trends, detect, adapt, and adjust as needed in the rapidly changing environment.
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    Of course, we all learned agility with the pandemic, right?
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    All we had to do was watch the Fed.
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    When the Fed did what they did in January, February, we should have known that something big was coming, but we didn't watch that much.
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    They were ahead of everything in retrospect.
  • 02:01:46
    Looking at Albemarle, Albemarle is a solid economy.
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    So looking at Albemarle, we have annual data through 2022.
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    We will not get 2023 until the end of this year for Albemarle, but we do have it for the state and for the US.
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    Albemarle outpaced Virginia and U.S.
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    in the recovery years in 21 and 2022.
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    We actually fell deeper with the pandemic, but actually has outpaced U.S.
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    and
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    and the state in real GDP growth.
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    And here the data is available, Albemarle County plus Charlottesville, not the, not the MSA.
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    It actually is.
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    It actually has that plus sign.
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    That's exactly how it's reported by BEA.
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    So that area has done well on a year, year over year basis.
  • 02:02:36
    Looking at unemployment, Albemarle County's unemployment rate consistently is below the US and
  • 02:02:43
    Virginia, expanding, having a broader context here from 2000.
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    We want to know where we've been.
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    When you only do three to five years, it just gives us a distorted view of what our journey has been.
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    So we want to have that wider view.
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    You'll see the big wide bar was the 0709 Great Financial Crisis.
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    Where we're looking at 2020, those two little small quarters, it looks, it's just a thin
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    It's a thin period for recession, but it was a deep, fast recession.
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    We were falling deeper and faster in 2020 than we did in 0709.
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    And we bounced back very well.
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    Consistently lower unemployment in Albemarle.
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    We're pulling narrow.
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    We're getting closer to the state, but we're still consistently below.
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    and looking at the regional area.
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    So hourly wages is available for the MSA, Charlottesville MSA.
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    Those are below US and Virginia since 2013, since we have that local data.
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    And it is turned down along with the state in this calendar year.
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    So that's something one-on-one watch in terms of hourly wages.
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    However, as you know from the report,
  • 02:04:01
    hourly wages are strong regionally.
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    Looking at income per capita income, this is real.
  • 02:04:09
    Again, inflation adjusted per capita income.
  • 02:04:11
    That's per person.
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    So this is all of the income, personal income in the county divided by the number of people.
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    This is a metric that we can use compared to the state and compared to the US.
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    You can compare it from any, any locale or to you to another state.
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    So you can look at it from place to place.
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    Now, this does not talk about the distribution of income within the county.
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    This is just the aggregate measure per capita, per person, all aggregated together.
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    But this is the measure to see the amount of personal income per person in Albemarle versus Virginia, the U.S.
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    It is significantly above.
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    We saw in 2022 inflation took a bite out of all income, Albemarle, Virginia and U.S.
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    Not as much out of Albemarle as it did the U.S.
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    and Virginia in this chart.
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    These two back to back, we had a conversation today.
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    I'll back up.
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    Wages below U.S.
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    and Virginia.
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    Income above.
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    A good portion of the income in Albemarle, this is also addressed in the report, is not related to wages.
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    And you see that here.
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    Fewer people are dependent on
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    wages, salary and wages in Albemarle than in the state or in the US.
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    So that's what's showing here.
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    Also, let's looking at housing.
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    That's important to know what's going on in terms of our business activity, but also it's important to all local governments in Virginia.
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    It's the primary local revenue related to housing.
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    Sales volume is down.
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    Has been down since spring of 2022.
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    improved slightly a few months on a year ago basis this year, but the sales volume is down.
  • 02:06:09
    It's not falling as fast as it did earlier, maybe a couple of years ago, but volume, this basically that volume, the growth in volume is down.
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    It's slowing.
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    However, home values, home values
  • 02:06:27
    are still positive with that significant reduction in sales over the last two years.
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    We still see that home prices have continued to go up.
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    They're not going up as fast as they were in 2022 and 2023.
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    The bar is a little bit shorter, but they're still up.
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    So we've had positive value
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    prices have continued to go up, not as much as in the past.
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    We do see a slowing and a normalizing.
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    You'll see a lot of these charts show a lot of disruption during that pandemic.
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    And I'm showing as far back as I can, I can feel the chart of where we are.
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    We're normalizing now.
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    And we're beginning to look in general, not necessarily exact levels, a little bit more than how we did pre-pandemic.
  • 02:07:18
    So we're working our way through
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    We economists call it dislocation.
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    That's the euphemism, you know, backlash.
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    We call it dislocation.
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    So you'll see that that price, the value is still up, but it's not growing up.
  • 02:07:34
    It's growing as fast.
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    It's a slower rate now.
  • 02:07:38
    Now, how does that compare?
  • 02:07:39
    You know, so now it's all relative.
  • 02:07:41
    I'm trying to say we're kind of still ahead of where we were pre pandemic, but it feels like we're not growing as fast since we had this meteoric growth.
  • 02:07:51
    and 22 and 23 really, really strong growth.
  • 02:07:55
    In terms of medium listing price, now the home value data I showed
  • 02:08:01
    includes, it's from the federal housing finance authority.
  • 02:08:04
    It's the broadest measure of home values.
  • 02:08:06
    It includes new homes, existing homes, and refinancing.
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    So we're not looking at it just existing homes in terms of prices.
  • 02:08:15
    We're looking at new home sales, existing home sales, and refinancing.
  • 02:08:20
    That's value, the home value.
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    And the valuation is what we use in local government.
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    in terms of, and that's available quarterly.
  • 02:08:29
    So that's available through the second quarter.
  • 02:08:31
    We will get the third quarter information in November.
  • 02:08:36
    It comes out two months after the end of the quarter.
  • 02:08:39
    So we have some more frequent data that's available, and that's the median listing price per square foot.
  • 02:08:46
    So in Albemarle County, it is above that median price per square foot is above U.S.
  • 02:08:51
    and Virginia, but it is declined since the spring of 2024.
  • 02:08:56
    So that's an early warning.
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    We want to look at that third quarter data when it comes out in November, and we want to watch that closely.
  • 02:09:03
    That's the offering price where you just can't get the same
  • 02:09:08
    Higher price in today's market than you could two years ago.
  • 02:09:10
    I have a neighbor's trying to do that, the house been on market, I don't know how long.
  • 02:09:14
    And I'm like, they just got it priced too high.
  • 02:09:17
    They just trying too much for too much.
  • 02:09:19
    If you price the house right, it will sell.
  • 02:09:23
    But you have some sellers that are really trying to get the price appreciation that
  • 02:09:30
    they saw other neighbors get two years ago and so these median, these offering prices are having to soften.
  • 02:09:38
    We're seeing some softening there.
  • 02:09:40
    We're going to see what comes up out in the federal data for the third quarter, watching closely.
  • 02:09:45
    In terms of your business activity, your grocery seats, that's overall in calendar year 2024.
  • 02:09:52
    As of late September, you were
  • 02:09:55
    your gross receipts exceeded last year's total.
  • 02:10:00
    This is on a calendar your basis.
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    Still have three months to go.
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    October, November, December, I still count months and weeks on my hand.
  • 02:10:07
    So you still have three months to go.
  • 02:10:09
    And as of late September, you had already exceeded your gross receipts for all of last year.
  • 02:10:14
    This is the calendar your basis.
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    Top four industries are the same as they've been in previous years, but retail flipped
  • 02:10:23
    in terms of the top category of the top four, it bummed back up to the first spot in 2023 as compared to repair personal and business services, which was the top source of your grocery seats in 2022.
  • 02:10:43
    So those two have flipped each of the last two years.
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    and the percentages flipped too.
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    So watch that for some indication of what's going on in your business activity.
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    But your top four categories account for 80% of the grocery seats.
  • 02:11:00
    in terms of this is a new element that we've been adding this year in conversations with Jacob and with Andy.
  • 02:11:08
    And so we've brought in some commuting patterns data.
  • 02:11:12
    And the latest available is for 2020 based on the American Community Survey 2016 to 2020.
  • 02:11:17
    These are five year averages from the census.
  • 02:11:20
    We have granular information in terms of every
  • 02:11:27
    locality to and from where your residents go to work and where they come from to work here, net net.
  • 02:11:35
    So I'll start with the green bar.
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    Green bar is the majority of your residents.
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    This is based on residents, people who live in Albemarle County, the majority of your residents work in Albemarle County.
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    About 52%.
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    I'll also jump to the Purple Bar.
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    I'll jump over.
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    And then you have a number of residents, Purple Bar, that go elsewhere to work.
  • 02:12:03
    That's the Purple Bar.
  • 02:12:05
    The Orange Bar are people who live in other localities, sometimes even states, regions, who come into Albemarle to work.
  • 02:12:17
    so net net on a daily basis you have 6500 net incommuters that's incommuters incommuters versus the out commuters now this is borderline according to the fellow reserve they did a recent study just a little while ago on the commuting patterns in the and their whole fifth district and Albemarle is classified technically as an intra-county community because
  • 02:12:46
    of most of your, because of the number of people that live and work here, 52%.
  • 02:12:54
    But their threshold is like 55, 56%.
  • 02:12:57
    So you're right there, right?
  • 02:12:59
    And so we have number of features of the employment center.
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    At 55, 56%, you would become an employment center based on the end commuters, if your end commuters were higher.
  • 02:13:10
    So you're right on the edge of being an employment center.
  • 02:13:16
    I can testify personally this morning driving in that for the 8.30 meeting, this is an employment center and a lot of people commuting here for work.
  • 02:13:28
    And so I do not feel as though I work out of the Richmond area or Richmond campus.
  • 02:13:33
    I do not feel as though I left one employment center for another.
  • 02:13:38
    It all felt seamless to me.
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    at the hour I was driving.
  • 02:13:43
    As many people coming into Richmond has been going out, and as many people coming this way, it was only a little short period where there was maybe not that many people heading this way.
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    I feel as though it feels very much like an employment center.
  • 02:14:00
    6,500 daily net in commuters to Albemarle County.
  • 02:14:04
    Overall, you have a solid economy.
  • 02:14:07
    You have a history of solid economic and job growth, low unemployment, strong hourly wages regionally, high per capita personal income, and significant employment in relatively higher occupations and industries of your residents and strong local business activities.
  • 02:14:28
    So you have a solid economy.
  • 02:14:30
    and Outlook, we have found in previous reports in this one as well that we tend to follow the U.S.
  • 02:14:36
    and Virginia, sometimes at a different level, but we follow that trend.
  • 02:14:40
    It's therefore prudent to expect a continued solid economy, slight economic cooling in late 24 to early 25, and moderate growth in 2025.
  • 02:14:51
    we're approaching that soft landing.
  • 02:14:54
    So we're going to have a cooling labor market, but there are going to be persistent labor shortages due to demographics by 2030 one in five persons in Virginia will be 65 or older.
  • 02:15:09
    Same for the US and the percentage of 65 and older is going to grow.
  • 02:15:17
    in the U.S., by around 2030, 2035, we're going to have more folks 65 and older than we have 18 and under.
  • 02:15:28
    So the feed corn is thin, okay?
  • 02:15:31
    That means that we're going to have some real competition for that working age population.
  • 02:15:37
    Fierce Competition.
  • 02:15:38
    We also, there's some trends that we're seeing in Virginia as well of those trends and where that population is shifting regionally in Virginia.
  • 02:15:46
    So we're going to have some persistent labor shortages just based on demographics.
  • 02:15:50
    That's just math.
  • 02:15:52
    Also, continued inflation reduction, gradual with some bumpiness.
  • 02:15:59
    lingering effects of that tight monetary policy.
  • 02:16:01
    So we're going to suspect some cooling consumer and business demand because the Fed still has the brakes on and drawing down.
  • 02:16:09
    their balance sheet, while they're gradually easing rates, so gradual process.
  • 02:16:17
    Mile growth and disposable income, especially the Coulee labor market, we're expecting the continued normalization in the housing market.
  • 02:16:26
    It's going to be competitive because we have a supply demand issue there.
  • 02:16:30
    but as interest rates come down, then we're expecting to see some activity and then some increased competition, but normalizing from some big swings we had before.
  • 02:16:41
    And then moderate business activity due to milder real consumer spending.
  • 02:16:45
    We expect this to vary, these potential impacts to vary across sectors and timing.
  • 02:16:53
    And so therefore we have to monitor circumstances closely and always look at local
  • 02:17:00
    being very different or ahead of some trends.
  • 02:17:02
    We see median listing price per square foot ahead of Albemarle County of the metropolitan area or the state.
  • 02:17:12
    So we always want to keep our ear to the ground of what's going on here at home.
  • 02:17:17
    Of course, these are my enduring recommendations.
  • 02:17:19
    Those who tune into the finance network see these every month.
  • 02:17:22
    We want to know what our strengths and weaknesses are and our vulnerabilities.
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    Albemarle does that.
  • 02:17:28
    We want to know very clearly about our strategic goals.
  • 02:17:31
    Albemarle's staff speak to that every time I speak to them, what those strategic goals are.
  • 02:17:35
    That's your rudder and you live it.
  • 02:17:37
    It's not something in a document you live it.
  • 02:17:40
    The long-term financial planning, we talked about your
  • 02:17:44
    discipline and integrated planning at ICMA last month and robust scenario planning.
  • 02:17:51
    That has been the platform that has really fostered some real strategic action on behalf of Albemarle.
  • 02:18:01
    So you're really thinking ahead.
  • 02:18:03
    Early warning systems engage staff.
  • 02:18:05
    Your staff are very engaged.
  • 02:18:07
    I had a lot of questions from this morning.
  • 02:18:09
    And then the adaptive
  • 02:18:11
    decision-making and agility in action to respond to any trends that we see.
  • 02:18:16
    So in conclusion, the economy is solid in Albemarle County.
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    We have some areas we want to watch closely.
  • 02:18:25
    We want to stay vigilant as we approach this soft landing with some expected bumpiness in various areas.
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    And your proactive management make a difference.
  • 02:18:35
    And I've already given you, commended you on the AAA, which gives you the financial foundation.
  • 02:18:42
    which also capacity for strategic initiatives.
  • 02:18:45
    That's strong and your action is strong.
  • 02:18:48
    So with that, I will conclude the presentation and are open to any questions you may have.
  • 02:18:56
    Thank you very much for the honor to be here today.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:18:58
    Thank you.
  • 02:18:59
    It was our privilege to have you speaking before us, and we'll go through our order for questions if that's all right.
  • 02:19:05
    I guess they're starting with the supervisor approval.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 02:19:08
    Sure.
  • 02:19:09
    When we compared the annual Israel incomes versus the incomes from wages,
  • 02:19:19
    I see it very easy to craft a story between those two graphs that might characterize Albemarle as having a wealthy population and also a weak working class, just given that we significantly underperform on real wages compared to Commonwealth peers and compared to the country.
  • 02:19:38
    I would like to know if you think that is an unfair characterization or maybe an over extreme one.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:19:47
    We all choose our words a certain way.
  • 02:19:49
    So I don't disagree.
  • 02:19:54
    And I think the additional information we have is from the American Community Survey.
  • 02:20:03
    And we have income distribution in large segments.
  • 02:20:09
    and we can see that from that there is a greater portion in Albemarle, I think over 200,000 annual income as compared to the state and to the U.S.
  • 02:20:28
    So the fact that
  • 02:20:35
    We I'm trying not to use the statistics.
  • 02:20:37
    I'm a statistician.
  • 02:20:38
    I got my degree in economics and statistics.
  • 02:20:41
    So I have to always try to translate my head.
  • 02:20:43
    We call it a skewed distribution with a long tail.
  • 02:20:46
    And so you got a lot of observations in the upper end.
  • 02:20:50
    that are pulling that up.
  • 02:20:52
    We can also see it, even though the census has, it really makes sure you have bundles that you can't identify people.
  • 02:21:04
    They never create a bundle so thin.
  • 02:21:07
    You can say, well, I know who that is.
  • 02:21:08
    That's John, Mary, and Sue, right?
  • 02:21:10
    So even though they keep it in large bands, we know that we have a number of high income
  • 02:21:20
    Households that pull that average up just from the statistics of mean median and mode.
  • 02:21:27
    So when you have the mean a lot higher than the median, you know there's a few large observations that is pulling that up.
  • 02:21:38
    So that's a that's a way of saying that the data supports that there are some there are some households that pull that average up very much for overall income.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 02:21:52
    And just to clarify, maybe anticipating some questions from my peers, my understanding is that Fred data and economics data generally normally uses medians to specifically correct
  • 02:22:05
    for Rightward Skiw on Income Distributions.
  • 02:22:07
    I assumed that the charts we were looking at were providing medians vice-means.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:22:13
    I'm speaking when I said median versus mean.
  • 02:22:15
    There's a chart in the community.
  • 02:22:20
    Factors that I'm speaking to that actually reports from census median and mean So so that's what has been identified.
  • 02:22:30
    Yes.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 02:22:31
    So it's only shows median it only it shows medium it median if it is listed that way Or just to illuminate more of where we're thinking we also talked about how
  • 02:22:47
    the one of the primary drivers of economic growth is going to be consumer spending.
  • 02:22:52
    And that accounts for a significant portion of economic growth when we look at the recovery.
  • 02:22:56
    It is not the multiple, excuse me, multiplication of the wealth reserves of our wealthiest members of the of the country that has in any way helped our economic recovery.
  • 02:23:09
    It is the marginal growths of real wages for working class people.
  • 02:23:14
    When I see
  • 02:23:17
    indicators that we might have a struggling working class or an underperforming working class in Albemarle County, I worry not just for the normative.
  • 02:23:26
    County, New York, New York, New
  • 02:23:51
    worries me a lot about Albemarle County.
  • 02:23:54
    We're a robust economy.
  • 02:23:56
    There's not much cause to be worried.
  • 02:23:57
    If I was going to be worried about something, it would be about this.
  • 02:24:00
    The one other thing I would just talk about you highlighted toward the end that you gave us kind of an oodle-loop of the steps of recommendations of how governments can kind of operate with this and engage.
  • 02:24:17
    And it does end in agility and action.
  • 02:24:23
    I do just worry if that is maybe not a fair way to characterize what local government does, agility and action.
  • 02:24:29
    I'm thinking we talked pretty extensively about Fed monetary policy and how this is affecting the implications of cost of capital and overall development.
  • 02:24:40
    and I worry sometimes that both us and our peers, I think Charlottesville is even more on the hook for this, did not have the agility in action to catch the wind of the sails of when the cost of capital was in the toilet.
  • 02:24:56
    We spent three years where you could get a loan for pennies on the dollar and that incentivized faster development, that incentivized more growth because everyone thought if I can get just one percent return, I'm going to make a buck.
  • 02:25:08
    That's why you had so much explosion of growth during the pandemic and also during the recession where we saw there was also cost of capital was in the toilet.
  • 02:25:16
    We are just now implementing more modernized zoning and we have just implemented our inclusionary zoning policies, which capture some of that growth and deliver it toward more affordable housing.
  • 02:25:31
    And we've implemented those while the breaks are on.
  • 02:25:35
    This is frustrating.
  • 02:25:37
    I worry that this creates a potential for like political finger pointing, right?
  • 02:25:42
    Oh, you have an inclusionary zoning policy, and that's why the breaks are on.
  • 02:25:48
    I'm very much concerned about that for Charlottesville, having just implemented their really radical zoning reform that I don't think is going to see immediate change because of the cost of capital.
  • 02:26:00
    but I do just mention all this.
  • 02:26:02
    I extemporize for too much and I apologize to highlight that we do have an urgency in the decisions that come before us that I worry we don't always capture that that wind and sales of macroeconomic factors and I would highlight this.
  • 02:26:20
    I would highlight the
  • 02:26:22
    in a period of really fast and easy capital that I don't think we seized in a way that we could have through these mechanisms.
  • 02:26:31
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:26:31
    Just one comment.
  • 02:26:32
    Yes, of course.
  • 02:26:33
    It's tough.
  • 02:26:35
    It's really tough when you see the interest rate low and you say this is the time to hit the gas on these capital projects that we've had and also when you can get
  • 02:26:47
    get bids that are really competitive and even more so.
  • 02:26:51
    It's hard to make those investments when you're not sure about your future revenues on the operating side.
  • 02:26:59
    That's a really gut-wrenching decision.
  • 02:27:03
    during the great financial crisis, some localities shall remain nameless in Virginia.
  • 02:27:13
    We can talk about it offline.
  • 02:27:15
    As soon as it was going to be a two-year recession and they hit the gas on their capital spending and projects, but then the revenues didn't come back for almost five to ten years.
  • 02:27:25
    And so then they had to go for tax increases to cover everything.
  • 02:27:30
    So, you know,
  • 02:27:32
    We all, we have the relationship, we have the experience we had the last time.
  • 02:27:37
    But that's a very hard call to go hard on the capital budget.
  • 02:27:42
    I've done capital all my career, directed the state municipal bond bank.
  • 02:27:48
    and directed capital programs, large localities and the state.
  • 02:27:53
    That's a hard call to go when you're uncertain about your revenue stream and your future operating revenues.
  • 02:27:59
    It's just a very hard, I'll just say, I'm not saying it's the wrong call.
  • 02:28:04
    It's just a hard one.
  • 02:28:05
    It's a hard one.
  • 02:28:07
    And when I was at Chesterfield, the deputy county administrator, we equivocated on a building renovation
  • 02:28:17
    The Bids were crazy good, but we just didn't feel comfortable making that decision.
  • 02:28:26
    And so we came along later and we redesigned it.
  • 02:28:29
    It was more, but you do the best decision you have with the information you have at the time and the outlook.
  • 02:28:36
    It's a tough call.
  • 02:28:37
    It's a very tough call because when that
  • 02:28:42
    really, really cheap capital.
  • 02:28:43
    You have a lot of uncertainty on the side.
  • 02:28:46
    So those who do make that call and get those projects at a lower price point, they feel better about it down the road.
  • 02:28:55
    But when you're making a call, it's a tough call.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:29:00
    Thank you.
  • 02:29:01
    Supervisor Callaway.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:29:03
    Well, we learned that lesson.
  • 02:29:06
    Because while I hear your point about not hitting the accelerator, you don't also jam on the brakes.
  • 02:29:12
    and we jammed on the brakes and our CIP is still trying to recover from those decisions.
  • 02:29:21
    So the point taken and understood, but you know, you're always going to have to provide education.
  • 02:29:26
    You're always going to have to provide services and you need the buildings to be able to do it.
  • 02:29:30
    And our school division just got a report last week about their capacity issues.
  • 02:29:35
    And we've got two new elementary schools and a center coming online and we're not even close to handling the capacity issues.
  • 02:29:41
    I better stop on that topic.
  • 02:29:44
    Building on Supervisor Pruitt's point, which I agree with, it's mentioned in the report we have a declining poverty rate, but when you think of increased home prices, increased rent, and wages dropping, it's not because we're raising the ships.
  • 02:30:01
    We're not bringing all ships up.
  • 02:30:03
    There's folks left.
  • 02:30:05
    Our poverty rates probably drop.
  • 02:30:07
    I don't know, is that an incorrect inference to make?
  • 02:30:10
    So these folks can't live here anymore, so they have to go somewhere else.
  • 02:30:14
    And then that maybe helps our in commuter rate, because maybe they're coming back here for a lower wage.
  • 02:30:19
    Maybe the wages, I don't know where the wages would be compared to where they're living at.
  • 02:30:23
    And that's not something just Albemarle is dealing with.
  • 02:30:25
    I think Nelson County is dealing with that now.
  • 02:30:28
    Green, Louisa, etc.
  • 02:30:30
    And Louisa is getting an influx of Northern Virginia folks moving in.
  • 02:30:33
    So regionally, this is kind of a problem.
  • 02:30:36
    Well, I don't know, maybe it's a similar story.
  • 02:30:38
    I don't I don't know the counties as well as you do.
  • 02:30:44
    So that's concerning, you know, it's becoming more, especially when we have an affordable housing crisis, if it's not fixed, then we just give them more reason that they have to leave.
  • 02:30:55
    The median home price you mentioned was somewhere was 574.515 and it was in the commentary of some normalization.
  • 02:31:03
    Well, some drastically increased new normal.
  • 02:31:08
    So when I see phrases like normal, it's getting back to some normalization.
  • 02:31:14
    Well, if we're in the high 500s compared to where we were eight years ago with median home price, if the new norm, that's too like a what?
  • 02:31:23
    I think 200 grand higher than where we were back then?
  • 02:31:25
    I mean, I don't I'm working off memory.
  • 02:31:27
    So maybe it's not that extreme.
  • 02:31:30
    But but it's like gas, right?
  • 02:31:31
    It's like, oh, well, $3, we're all thrilled about $3.
  • 02:31:34
    Well, that's the new normal.
  • 02:31:36
    We used to the freak out when it hit three bucks, not too long ago.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:31:40
    Slower inflation is not deflation.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:31:43
    Right.
  • 02:31:43
    And and we had this conversation last year when there's great wealth here.
  • 02:31:53
    And that's fine.
  • 02:31:54
    I'm not judging that.
  • 02:31:56
    But the folks at the other end of the spectrum are there.
  • 02:31:59
    I don't I'm not hearing anything that's improved their situation from the last two years of reports.
  • 02:32:07
    is based on
  • 02:32:28
    and I always wondered where a lot of cash came in from ARPA, from during the pandemic that the government did to stimulus.
  • 02:32:37
    And a lot of that went to car loans.
  • 02:32:39
    So all of a sudden people had three or $4,000 to be able to, which is what they needed to get the loan because of a, you know, a poor credit situation.
  • 02:32:49
    And now they're in loans where 22, 25% interest rates.
  • 02:32:53
    where, you know, they can't make the payment.
  • 02:32:56
    Meanwhile, the rent's going up and the wages are dropping.
  • 02:32:59
    So that was kind of concerning.
  • 02:33:01
    Is that credit card in auto?
  • 02:33:03
    Because I think that was a federal.
  • 02:33:05
    in the reading of that was a federal number, though.
  • 02:33:10
    Do you see the same type of personal credit card balance and auto loan delinquencies happening in Virginia and the locality?
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:33:19
    We don't have it to that level published.
  • 02:33:21
    The banks have it, but we don't have it.
  • 02:33:24
    Certainly lower income households have been having it tough for a while.
  • 02:33:32
    The high inflation
  • 02:33:35
    pinched them more.
  • 02:33:36
    One thing that kind of kept them going for a while was the red hot job market.
  • 02:33:41
    And there were a lot of job changes.
  • 02:33:45
    So the quits were high and individuals were exercising the economic power and they were shifting to jobs that paid more.
  • 02:33:56
    So that's why we find some other industries having a hard time getting that labor because they shifted to other industries that paid more.
  • 02:34:04
    So the red hot job market helped a lot of households.
  • 02:34:09
    We're now normalizing.
  • 02:34:11
    So we don't have that red hot.
  • 02:34:13
    It's more to the level that we had before the pandemic in terms of job growth and wage growth is still a tad above.
  • 02:34:21
    But the key point is, as you mentioned, slower inflation.
  • 02:34:27
    is not deflation.
  • 02:34:29
    So all these households are dealing with price points that are elevated for everything.
  • 02:34:35
    And the wage growth they were able to grab out of by shifting jobs or just through the wage growth that was coming, that has now settled down.
  • 02:34:48
    And so they're pinched, and they have been pinched for a while.
  • 02:34:52
    And so the lower income households have been pinched for a while.
  • 02:34:56
    They feel it first.
  • 02:34:57
    A lot of our consumer spending is driven by the higher income households.
  • 02:35:01
    But correct, the lower income households spend.
  • 02:35:05
    They spend what they get because they have to to make it.
  • 02:35:08
    Where higher income households can say, oh, we'll save.
  • 02:35:12
    Maybe we won't spend.
  • 02:35:13
    They're not pushed.
  • 02:35:14
    But money in the hands of lower income households gets spent because they need it.
  • 02:35:19
    They need it.
  • 02:35:20
    The key concern is those consumer loans, how they have used that to balance their budgets.
  • 02:35:26
    And that's why we're thinking the cooling is going to take place in terms of consumer spending.
  • 02:35:30
    They're pinched.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:35:32
    And the student loans aren't even in there yet.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:35:34
    They're not going to be reported until the end of this year.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:35:40
    This is just a detail question.
  • 02:35:42
    Well, I'll say I actually can maybe do these in email because some of these were just like little lines in there.
  • 02:35:46
    I was like, what does that mean?
  • 02:35:48
    But in the interest of time, I go, we'll get into all those.
  • 02:35:54
    Do you, well, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you know, if I read something four times and don't get it, it's time to ask you, Dr. Bailey.
  • 02:36:02
    That's the economist was educating inventory investment, the decrease in inventory investment was one of them, but we don't have to get into that.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:36:10
    That's going to ebb and flow.
  • 02:36:11
    So inventory investment, remember this, the port strike?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:36:16
    Yeah.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:36:17
    Well, a lot of the retail, they they bulked up on inventory, knowing that the strike was coming because they did the port workers and the port ports did not agree in like in June.
  • 02:36:33
    So at that time, they started bulking up inventory.
  • 02:36:36
    So that kind of impacted our numbers.
  • 02:36:41
    Yeah, it's skewed our numbers.
  • 02:36:42
    So we got some good private
  • 02:36:46
    inventory, investment in the second quarter GDP.
  • 02:36:49
    Third quarter, we expect some correction there.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:36:52
    So as the next question is that kind of leads into that pretty well because they were prepping for a situation that didn't necessarily transpire.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:36:59
    yet.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:37:00
    But if you'd had a bridge collapse in Baltimore that happened closer to two major hurricanes coming through in the eastern coast, the Baltimore thing didn't realize because there were other ports that they could get to along the eastern seaboard.
  • 02:37:11
    So it really didn't.
  • 02:37:12
    And there wasn't, aside from sugar, I think, was the big thing in Baltimore that tries to get out.
  • 02:37:18
    But when you think of these, like the two things that seem to be missing when you're thinking of economic outlook, and maybe they just don't rise to the level of impacting it over a year,
  • 02:37:29
    But I mean, to have two major, major hurricane events on the Eastern Seaboard and a port struggle, potentially maybe the strike does go into effect.
  • 02:37:38
    Like how do you, how do you get your head, you know, the pandemic kind of caught us all and we had to deal with that.
  • 02:37:44
    But these are going to become more and more of a reality.
  • 02:37:47
    And, you know, God bless the counties in North Carolina that are just
  • 02:37:54
    It's going to take them forever to recover.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:37:55
    Yes, yes, yes.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:37:57
    But when you're thinking of your economic outlook and prepping for that and how to, we have contingency funds, we have emergency funding and things like that.
  • 02:38:07
    But I didn't see that kind of disgust.
  • 02:38:09
    You talk about geopolitical things and bigger world kind of pictures, but not asking this very well.
  • 02:38:17
    But to take these major events, which we think is going to get more significant thousand year floods,
  • 02:38:23
    in addition to things that we can't think of like a bridge such a ship hitting a bridge.
  • 02:38:28
    Like how does that factor into y'all's analysis when you're doing these type of reports.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:38:33
    Severe weather events are increasing.
  • 02:38:39
    What we always just say very generally.
  • 02:38:42
    What we find is that the severe weather event hits one low in one place.
  • 02:38:47
    It really affects it deeply and can have significant long-term impact.
  • 02:38:53
    Significant long-term impact to that locality.
  • 02:38:56
    But in terms of port activity, I'll shift to another port.
  • 02:39:01
    So now if we get enough of those, then it will begin to bubble up and hit those national statistics.
  • 02:39:14
    Blessedly, Virginia was not hit by one of those events to that degree.
  • 02:39:21
    That would have created a much bigger asterisk for the Virginia outlook.
  • 02:39:26
    From the U.S.
  • 02:39:27
    side, it wasn't large enough and to the extent enough that we would see it bubble up to the point that of the national statistics in terms of the numbers yet.
  • 02:39:41
    But we do have to watch that and as we increase.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:39:44
    We had the fire chief here not at our last meeting and started to ponder the idea of as a county, we have contingency funding, we have emergency funding, we have those things in place.
  • 02:39:54
    But to the extent that we're seeing some things, having dealt with a fire and a drought and now some weather that we didn't even get the brunt of, of putting aside some sort of in a budget beyond your contingency funding or department budgets and your safety, like fire, etc.
  • 02:40:11
    you know, an emergency fund to try to think of those even bigger picture type items.
  • 02:40:16
    Do you think that, you know, in your list of all the things we do well, is that something that places are doing that would be a good best practice?
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:40:23
    I think you have a good portion of that in your long term financial planning.
  • 02:40:27
    Now, the extent in terms of financial resiliency, we not only look to plan for the things we can see, we also want to plans for things we can't see.
  • 02:40:38
    and so we want to expect the unexpected.
  • 02:40:41
    Everything that we can identify, but also things we cannot identify.
  • 02:40:46
    And so your your fund balance policies, your and that fund balance policy, your financial policies, your capital reserves policies, how you designate those, what do you have
  • 02:41:03
    in terms of for some latitude for not only what you can see, but also you cannot see.
  • 02:41:10
    So yes, from a financial resiliency standpoint, yes, we want to plan for everything we can see.
  • 02:41:16
    But we also want to plan for things that we cannot see, expect the unexpected yet to be determined of what is going to be.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:41:23
    As you know, we have we have an A team.
  • 02:41:25
    We have a triple triple A team.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 02:41:27
    Yes.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:41:28
    And we proved it in the pandemic with the way this team literally pivoted
  • 02:41:32
    almost towards the end of a budget.
  • 02:41:34
    And we did not count on receiving any sort of aid because we didn't know, right?
  • 02:41:38
    And that's all credit to Mr. Richardson and then the entire staff and team that did that.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:41:44
    Because you had the ladder, you had the bandwidth
  • 02:41:48
    to make do that.
  • 02:41:49
    So you had made provisions for the unexpected and your ability to make that move.
  • 02:41:56
    Yes.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:41:58
    And they pivoted because they pumped the brakes really hard, even on a lot of things.
  • 02:42:02
    But we're able to as soon as we knew some aid was coming in, then yeah, just work the way through it.
  • 02:42:07
    So I mean, just well done on that.
  • 02:42:09
    I'm not going to go through all of this stuff because it's I'm going to take an email and we can set up a call.
  • 02:42:18
    I love that you've you said something that I always said in the car business, if you price it right, it will sell.
  • 02:42:23
    So I was like, Oh, look at that the the economist has just told us that if you price it right, it will sell.
  • 02:42:30
    I guess I'll, some of this other stuff I'll follow up with the team or even you direct ask some questions but
  • 02:42:38
    I'd love to know if you'd even be willing to share one.
  • 02:42:41
    You did share a little bit one because you said you discussed it today.
  • 02:42:44
    I'd love to know what some of the toughest questions our staff asked you and what those answers were at some point.
  • 02:42:50
    If the team would be willing to share some of those with us, that'd be great.
  • 02:42:55
    So I'm not asking for that here.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:42:56
    Well, they wanted to dissect that commuting pet by locality.
  • 02:43:00
    by zip code.
  • 02:43:02
    They wanted to go through that by zip code.
  • 02:43:04
    So I was pulling up charts and so we realized that we had to get ready to come here.
  • 02:43:07
    So we decided that we're going to follow up on that later.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:43:09
    And that's clear.
  • 02:43:10
    I mean, when you go some places you go to and you're like all the traffic's going in one direction in the morning and it's all going in a different direction in the evening, that's why we have both directions all day long or pretty much seems like all day long.
  • 02:43:22
    But as always, I appreciate
  • 02:43:26
    and look forward to this report and a lot in here.
  • 02:43:30
    I'm just I'm thrilled that this is the I think of the first of the three years you haven't been talking about recession.
  • 02:43:36
    So with no judgment to you, I was more it was happier to hear that that wasn't part of your assessment today.
  • 02:43:44
    I'm even though they're it's not exactly clean sailing, but they're what you use soft landing.
  • 02:43:49
    So I guess that's an airline metaphor.
  • 02:43:50
    There's turbulence, but we're going to get the airplane down.
  • 02:43:54
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:43:55
    Thank you.
  • 02:43:55
    It may bounce, but we're going to get there.
• • 02:43:58
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:43:58
    Supervisor Lafito-Curley.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:44:00
    Thank you very much.
  • 02:44:01
    I loved your report.
  • 02:44:04
    There are many questions I could bring up, but I'm just going to bring up a couple that we touched on here.
  • 02:44:11
    You mentioned you kept using the term hard on capital.
  • 02:44:16
    I'm sorry.
  • 02:44:17
    You know, when we were discussing where our monies and everything should go, you know, once it's hard on capital, that term.
  • 02:44:28
    What do you think we should?
  • 02:44:30
    I mean, are we in the right direction?
  • 02:44:32
    What do you think we should be doing?
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:44:34
    Certainly, I said it's a hard decision.
  • 02:44:37
    I think I said capital decisions are hard decisions.
  • 02:44:41
    What I feel very strongly about is your integrated planning systems.
  • 02:44:47
    And we actually presented that to ICMA.
  • 02:44:50
    You don't have your planning in silos.
  • 02:44:52
    You don't do the strategic planning, separate from your long-term planning, separate from your budget planning.
  • 02:44:57
    You have it fully integrated.
  • 02:45:00
    And I find that to be a very robust process.
  • 02:45:06
    and what that does, it helps us decide if we invest in this capital today, which has operating expenses ongoing once we put it into place.
  • 02:45:20
    Do we have the capacity to service that
  • 02:45:26
    New facility or asset adequately with everything else we have planning.
  • 02:45:31
    And so we lay that out for five to 20 years and we see where our pinch points are.
  • 02:45:37
    And then we adjust here, we shift here, we shift there, we shift that.
  • 02:45:42
    So with that long-term planning with all obligations on the table,
  • 02:45:47
    and that's the robust full, full long-term financial planning.
  • 02:45:52
    And we'll see how we can have the strategic initiatives, how they lay in.
  • 02:45:57
    We see how capital and the key aspect about capital is all the operating obligations going forward.
  • 02:46:05
    you open a fire station is about a million dollars opening bid on on on staffing plus you got to get the trucks in there a million each opening bid right and so can we manage that can we staff it do we're going to have them that fire truck staff with the the recommended amount of staff how is that going to impact our response times in the region all of that is laid out and we kind of say well maybe
  • 02:46:34
    will shift this here, shift that there.
  • 02:46:36
    And so that planning, I really strongly believe in that and know that it gives you options for that agility in action.
  • 02:46:48
    It gives you a menu of options of response.
  • 02:46:52
    So one of my favorite quotes is from General Dwight D. Eisenhower, not president, General.
  • 02:46:59
    His quote is says, in battle,
  • 02:47:03
    I've always found plans useless and planning indispensable.
  • 02:47:10
    It's the planning that gives you all the value, not just whether you had a clairvoyant perfectly conceived plan.
  • 02:47:19
    So I believe in that process and how you see you can make it all work with all your strategic initiatives, your capital, your operating, all your contracts, all your future obligations, all that together.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:47:30
    and from your report, it sounds like that's what we're doing.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:47:33
    Yes, ma'am.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:47:34
    I like that.
  • 02:47:35
    The other thing is expect the unexpected that with climate change and everything that concerns me very much.
  • 02:47:43
    And it makes me want to be maybe a little more hesitant with going off and well, spending everything or a lot of different directions because we don't know what's coming.
  • 02:47:56
    I mean, that's always been frightening for me.
  • 02:47:59
    We don't know what's coming.
  • 02:48:00
    What's going to happen?
  • 02:48:02
    Maybe it'll be a rosy future.
  • 02:48:04
    Maybe it won't be so rosy.
  • 02:48:05
    It doesn't look that good, frankly.
  • 02:48:08
    But I expect the unexpected.
  • 02:48:12
    That tells me we need to make sure that we plan for that, that we, I guess, save more.
  • 02:48:18
    That would be an individual.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:48:21
    Well, we look at the policies, your financial policies, we don't want to save too much.
  • 02:48:24
    It's golden lights, not too much, not too little, just right.
  • 02:48:28
    And so because you don't want to forego opportunities for community advancement by holding on the money too much, but also you don't want to have too little.
  • 02:48:38
    I think the response that you mentioned in the pandemic indicated that you had it right then, that you could
  • 02:48:45
    makes some adjustments and keep things going until you have more information.
  • 02:48:51
    So the team demonstrated itself in your planning.
  • 02:48:55
    So the designations, the assignments within your reserves help you some.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:49:00
    Right.
  • 02:49:00
    I think during the pandemic, our three, three, six month planning process was extraordinary.
  • 02:49:08
    Last thing I just wanted to bring up, because it's the income, income, the income, income gap.
  • 02:49:18
    How different are we from the rest of the nation, the rest of the state, the rest of the nation?
  • 02:49:24
    Because I've been hearing about this and it's true.
  • 02:49:27
    I mean, it is true.
  • 02:49:28
    There is an income gap.
  • 02:49:29
    Everyone's saying, you know, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poor.
  • 02:49:34
    That bothers me.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:49:38
    What is a solution?
  • 02:49:41
    Well, that's a that's a trend.
  • 02:49:44
    I just read a study that is just not in America.
  • 02:49:47
    It's a lot of the mature economies are having that we have.
  • 02:49:53
    And I'm going to lay some of this at the seat of my fellow economist.
  • 02:50:02
    and some of who may be watching right now.
  • 02:50:05
    But anyway, I think that economists focus on total maximum growth and they don't focus on who gets and who doesn't get.
  • 02:50:18
    and as the grandchild of a grandfather who was displaced by structural change in the economy and had to get on the road to support his family and send his kids to college.
  • 02:50:35
    My dad was a younger son, and I can just really tell that Daddy Bailey was on the road.
  • 02:50:42
    He had to leave the home of Norfolk to get income.
  • 02:50:49
    He was displaced by structural change.
  • 02:50:52
    Industry that he trained in had a post-graduate degree in.
  • 02:50:58
    It changed.
  • 02:50:59
    So I feel structural change
  • 02:51:04
    in terms of families and industries when we shift industries across regions or across countries.
  • 02:51:12
    Economists don't measure that.
  • 02:51:15
    And to the fullest degree that I would like to think.
  • 02:51:18
    However, good news is that the Nobel laureates for economics this year
  • 02:51:25
    were awarded the Nobel Prize, that team, for the analysis of how social structures and systems contribute to inequality.
  • 02:51:37
    So I am very, very happy that we're getting more focus on that and study on that.
  • 02:51:42
    and that that has been elevated as a primary area of study.
  • 02:51:47
    We need to do more of that globally, also nationally, regionally and statewide.
  • 02:51:52
    And it's very difficult for individual localities and families to respond to structural change by themselves.
  • 02:52:04
    And we don't like leaving people or communities behind.
  • 02:52:07
    I don't.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:52:10
    I know I just wish I wish it was an easy answer but I don't think there is and I don't know how it's gonna I think we need to put more emphasis on it.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:52:18
    I'm very
  • 02:52:19
    I'm very encouraged by the Nobel Prize for economics to speak about inequality and what the what the systems are that contribute to that.
  • 02:52:30
    I think we need to study it more.
  • 02:52:31
    We need to elevate it more and regard it as something as policy and not an individual household or individual community issue.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:52:40
    I like that.
  • 02:52:42
    I would be very interested in knowing more about that.
  • 02:52:45
    Thank you.
  • 02:52:46
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:52:46
    Thank you.
  • 02:52:47
    Supervisor Malik.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:52:49
    Thank you again for making my brain explode.
  • 02:52:52
    I prepared, but I've still learned so much from these.
  • 02:52:56
    So a couple of things, the chronic underutilization of labor, the hidden workers has been something that I've been aware of working on the workforce side here.
  • 02:53:06
    Are these, are there barriers that are involved in this and are they considered in these statistics such as lack of childcare or lack of transportation?
  • 02:53:17
    The skills needed to do the new job, those kinds of things.
  • 02:53:20
    I mean, how does that all work together?
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:53:21
    The statistics just, just reported.
  • 02:53:25
    Okay.
  • 02:53:26
    It doesn't count.
  • 02:53:27
    And you've identified all the, many of those factors that contribute to it.
  • 02:53:31
    Yes.
  • 02:53:33
    but they, you know, it's just the facts, ma'am, in terms of reporting it.
  • 02:53:39
    I like to include it in all of my presentations, so we don't ignore
  • 02:53:50
    the full range of measures of labor underutilization, which don't get the headline, only the snapshot, the four week snapshot gets the headline.
  • 02:54:00
    So I maintain this so we can be aware that those individuals are there, and particularly they've expressed their desire to work.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:54:09
    Well, it is that 2% that Albemarle County had for so many years for unemployment.
  • 02:54:15
    I knew there was more to the story.
  • 02:54:17
    I just didn't know quite where to look.
  • 02:54:18
    So that's interesting.
  • 02:54:20
    In your data, you had talked or story, you had talked about the wage situation here and the
  • 02:54:31
    gaps the two comma families is what I would call them.
  • 02:54:34
    There are nine or a dozen families who in the end of 2017 with the tax changes federally sold monstrous amounts of their portfolios and there was this huge bump in income in Albemarle County which changed our local composite index dramatically.
  • 02:54:51
    So I understand there is
  • 02:54:54
    a pod of people, of families at one end of the scale and they really have, but I think they do skew the whole measure because there are lots and lots of people in Albemarle County and certainly 30% I think in the district I represent who are way below the middle.
  • 02:55:12
    and hanging on by their fingernails and often have lived here for 70 years and the economy has left so many people behind and that's a real concern about how we are going to be able to help in that circumstance.
  • 02:55:27
    I just don't have an answer to that either.
  • 02:55:31
    But it is the preparation that we're all trying to do and trying to improve the job skills and opportunities of so many different people who may have been left behind in third grade and never got the skills they needed.
  • 02:55:42
    And now they're 45.
  • 02:55:43
    And, you know, my former colleagues on the state workforce bar would complain about the expense of providing job training to these this cohort.
  • 02:55:51
    And I said, well, it would have been better if they hadn't been left behind in third grade.
  • 02:55:56
    And we cannot be proud of people working
  • 02:56:01
    very, very, very low wage jobs in order to survive.
  • 02:56:04
    Those aren't statistics we should be proud of.
  • 02:56:07
    We should.
  • 02:56:07
    We had a big argument a number of years ago about leaving the term family sustaining wages in the vision for the State Department of Labor.
  • 02:56:16
    I think that's why I got fired off the board.
  • 02:56:18
    But anyway, it was fine because we won.
  • 02:56:20
    But it is somewhat
  • 02:56:24
    and I was shocked by your fact of the median house value here.
  • 02:56:29
    I mean, it's almost double what it was in 2010.
  • 02:56:32
    So, or maybe more than double.
  • 02:56:34
    So those, uh, those are all things that those higher end observations are pulling it up.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:56:39
    Yes.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:56:39
    I've contributed to my brain exposure.
  • 02:56:41
    The population change by locality, this graph here really caught my eye because for at least 20 years we've been below 2%.
  • 02:56:50
    in population
  • 02:57:05
    So when we think about what's going on with traffic, you know, this is a dramatic change based on the changes of opportunity in the post COVID during COVID and post COVID employment.
  • 02:57:18
    And I think it's really going to be something we have to consider when we're doing our
  • 02:57:22
    A.C.
  • 02:57:23
    44 planning, too, is that it's not the same.
  • 02:57:25
    You know, having all these office spaces is not the same now as it was five years ago.
  • 02:57:29
    But thank you very much.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:57:30
    Yes, the population is shifting across regions in Virginia.
  • 02:57:36
    And some of it is in response to housing affordability, as you mentioned.
  • 02:57:41
    And a number of them are leaving northern Virginia, coming to the other metro areas in Virginia, but also leaving the state out of northern Virginia.
  • 02:57:50
    going to South Atlantic to passing us.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:57:53
    And not because they can't afford Northern Virginia.
  • 02:57:55
    They're taking their wealth into places that are not wealthy places.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 02:58:04
    and we're really running long in the tooth because we just love your presentations.
  • 02:58:09
    We're going to have to figure out a way to schedule you for a little bit longer next time, but I'm going to want me.
  • 02:58:14
    Yes, I'm going to really try and keep it very brief.
  • 02:58:19
    And I will take this opportunity to say I would love for staff to provide us with sort of a Q&A that because I know they've asked you some questions.
  • 02:58:31
    and I would love to be able to read or the questions that they've asked you in some of your responses would probably be very informative for us.
  • 02:58:40
    Just a couple of things.
  • 02:58:41
    You're talking about how we're part of our strength is that we work across departments and that we for our strategic planning and our capital planning and I would say yes and part of our strength I think is that we do that with our school system
  • 02:59:00
    We don't leave the school system out because they in fact have a lot more buildings and facilities than we have when we're talking capital.
  • 02:59:08
    So that's just a really critical part.
  • 02:59:13
    And resiliency, redundancy is really critical.
  • 02:59:18
    And just we've talked a lot about climate change.
  • 02:59:22
    Given some of what we're seeing happening in other communities, we couldn't save or put aside enough money to get us out of some of these crises that we're seeing.
  • 02:59:34
    And I guess I'm going to part of what we need to do in this community is not only think about how financially we're planning, but how we're changing our ordinances and our way of doing business to deal with what may be coming down the road.
  • 02:59:50
    and I think we have some department heads that are looking at that right now.
  • 02:59:55
    You know, hard-scaping against fires and doing some of that work.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 02:59:59
    Just it does make a difference.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:00:01
    Yeah.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 03:00:01
    Some of those reports are coming out of North Carolina and other community.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:00:04
    Yeah.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 03:00:04
    Those were those were those who were more resilient and those who right.
  • 03:00:08
    Yeah.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:00:09
    Yeah.
  • 03:00:10
    Right.
  • 03:00:10
    And I could go on and on and I'm not going to.
  • 03:00:12
    I'm just going to simply stop and say thank you very much.
  • 03:00:14
    This was very informative and I appreciate it.
  • 03:00:16
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:00:19
    Thank you.
  • 03:00:19
    And a lot of the time I am going to hold off on questions and look to staff.
  • 03:00:23
    I've got things highlighted, written all over the place.
  • 03:00:26
    I had already had commuting up on my search to look through all the documents.
  • 03:00:31
    So I'm grateful that there have been discussions about that.
  • 03:00:34
    I'm very grateful for your presentation, for your ability to do your handling of the questions.
  • 03:00:38
    I think that there's been some excellent questions and I've learned a lot from this discussion and just want to at this point, thank you for coming and look forward to the next time.
• • SPEAKER_14
  • 03:00:47
    Thank you so much.
  • 03:00:47
    Well, this is I clicked that accidentally, but I guess that's where we are.
  • 03:00:52
    Thank you so much.
  • 03:00:54
    And thank you very much.
  • 03:00:56
    It's an honor and a pleasure.
  • 03:00:57
    Thank you so much and have a safe trip back.
  • 03:00:59
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:01:04
    and with that board, I want to just look to the county executive just for a moment here.
  • 03:01:09
    We are 30 plus minutes behind we had scheduled two hours for AC 44, which would take us to 6pm.
  • 03:01:17
    But we scheduled a 15 minute break at this point.
  • 03:01:21
    And I know 6pm we're looking at you know matters from the public that
  • 03:01:25
    I guess we take the 15 minute break and see where we end up.
• • Jeff Richardson
  • 03:01:28
    Yes, sir.
  • 03:01:29
    It would be the board that that's certainly up to the board.
  • 03:01:32
    And then, you know, my presentation, I can move around to suit the board given time constraints.
  • 03:01:40
    And I'm happy to just remain flexible on that if that helps.
  • 03:01:43
    OK.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:01:43
    Right.
  • 03:01:44
    Well, we will take a 15 minute break at this point and then come back and work on AC 44.
  • 03:01:47
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 03:01:51
    Do you want me to call?
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:01:54
    I'm not sure what what is going on.
  • 03:02:00
    Getting back started again.
  • 03:02:02
    I apologize for the delay.
  • 03:02:07
    We serve at the pleasure of the presentation.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 03:02:09
    Yeah, we are well over our 15 minutes, so I'm hoping that we can get started.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:02:22
    Okay, well, we could start.
  • 03:02:25
    And our next item, appreciate the patience, Joe.
  • 03:02:31
    But our next item is the work session on AC 44, community vision and growth management policy, led by Ms.
  • 03:02:42
    Tanya Schwartzendruber and planning manager, Mr. Michael Barnes.
  • 03:02:46
    Welcome.
  • 03:02:47
    Thank you for being here.
  • 03:02:49
    Apologize for the delays and look forward to presentation.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 03:02:53
    Thank you.
  • 03:02:53
    Thank you so very much for having us.
  • 03:02:56
    I get this presentation up on the screen here.
  • 03:02:58
    We're going a little bit behind ourselves.
  • 03:03:09
    Okay.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 03:03:20
    Albemarle, Charlottesville, Rivanna
  • 03:04:06
    We need to bring your desk.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 03:04:18
    Okay.
  • 03:04:19
    Go ahead.
  • 03:04:20
    So we're going to start the presentation.
  • 03:04:24
    up to the first portion of it.
  • 03:04:26
    And then, Tanya, what are the second half of it?
  • 03:04:28
    And obviously, once we get the presentation materials straight, we'll work from this machine over here, but we'll start right now.
  • 03:04:35
    First of all, very excited about starting the AC44 Commerce Plan discussion with you all to kick off a whole series of work sessions that we'll be having.
  • 03:04:46
    Purpose of today is to sort of warrant you all to the structure of the document, and I'll be starting off with that.
  • 03:04:53
    and then talk a little bit about the growth management policy concept for development areas utilization review.
  • 03:05:01
    Those things will both be in the second part of the document and then we're going to give you a preview of one of the topic chapters in the third part of the document.
  • 03:05:10
    which is the development area land use tools and part of the reason we're bringing that to you is because those tools are being taken out currently to public groups in the community and we want to make sure that you are aware of that, have some context before we come back on November 6th to talk to you in depth about them.
  • 03:05:30
    And finally, we're going to talk about upcoming steps with you all, meetings we'll be having.
  • 03:05:37
    Finally, we're going to be asking you two questions at the end of the presentation today.
  • 03:05:41
    So we'll give them here to you now so you can think about them.
  • 03:05:44
    The first one is, does the draft growth management policy meet the needs of the county?
  • 03:05:49
    And the second one is, are the draft factors for monitoring the utilization of the development area appropriate?
  • 03:05:55
    Again, we'll talk those at the end of the presentation.
  • 03:05:59
    So the document structure itself is going to have four major sections.
  • 03:06:04
    The first part, it'll be an introduction.
  • 03:06:07
    It'll talk a lot about, it'll provide some context, major trends, the county's facing and what the community's vision is for tackling those trends and issues.
  • 03:06:19
    And it'll also include what you've seen before, the four guiding principles of the document and the lens of looking for those equity and climate change.
  • 03:06:31
    The second part of the document, second section of the document is really a lot of stuff we're going to talk about today.
  • 03:06:37
    And that is a statement of the growth management policy, making sure that's clear and succinct for the county.
  • 03:06:45
    This idea of this development area utilization review, how are we using the development area?
  • 03:06:50
    We should be looking at that, especially in regards to any changes that we might have with development area boundary.
  • 03:06:57
    and then the final section, which we will not be bringing to you today, but it will be something that will end up when we end up going through all of these topic chapters.
  • 03:07:04
    And that's just sort of like idea of being able to see the forest for the trees.
  • 03:07:08
    We want to make sure we're going to these 10 topic chapters and we'll talk about this more in a second.
  • 03:07:12
    But the reader shouldn't have to read all 10 chapters to sort of understand what is it the county is trying to do.
  • 03:07:19
    And so having this application of the development area and rural area or how the
  • 03:07:26
    management policy, growth management policy applies itself in the development areas and rural areas across the 10 chapters will be a section that we will find when we bring you the last draft of this document later this year or next year actually.
  • 03:07:43
    The third portion of the document is these topic chapter areas will be 10 topic chapters.
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    And they will really that's really the meat of the plan, if you will.
  • 03:07:54
    these topic chapters will sort of have, from a structural standpoint, two halves.
  • 03:07:59
    The first half will be a narrative that broadly describes what the challenges are from that topic area and how the county is broadly going to address those.
  • 03:08:11
    And then there will be sort of identification and description of specific sets of solutions to those challenges.
  • 03:08:19
    And the purpose of the table here is to sort of show you that the first half will sort of start to describe
  • 03:08:24
    the goal statement and then the objections of the objectives and actions that will be tying those together.
  • 03:08:34
    Fourth section of the document is really an appendix section, and it's a place we're going to put specific policies and plans.
  • 03:08:41
    Our intent is for the reader to be able to go through these topic chapters, and if they encounter something like Project Enable, it will talk about some of the major highlights of what Project Enable is and what it's trying to get at, but there'll be a hyperlink to an appendix section so that you can find the document and really get down to the weeds for the document if you need to find more about that.
  • 03:09:06
    The other thing I wanted to do today is talk about if the document had sort of a structure previously and it's taken several months of internal work to come up with a revised structure and sort of want to try and provide a crosswalk between where it was and where it is today.
  • 03:09:26
    The previous one on the left side, there were three major sections.
  • 03:09:31
    There was an introduction, there were eight topic chapter areas, and finally there was an appendixy.
  • 03:09:38
    The new one is going to have these four sections of the introduction.
  • 03:09:42
    the growth management policy and 10 topic area chapters.
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    And so the real change here is putting the growth management policy front and center and giving its own things.
  • 03:09:53
    It's a master policy that really governs everything that we sort of do in the community.
  • 03:09:58
    So it's important to really put that up in front and center.
  • 03:10:02
    and then for the topic chapters, you'll see that the first two in the previous version was a rural area land use and transportation.
  • 03:10:10
    The second was a development area land use and transportation.
  • 03:10:13
    That's being split.
  • 03:10:14
    If you look over on the left hand side, rural area and development land use will be their own chapters and then we're going to have a transportation chapter.
  • 03:10:23
    We've also made some small tweaks, some of them as small as title changes.
  • 03:10:27
    If you see the number one was economic development previously, now it's going to be called thriving economy.
  • 03:10:33
    Parks and Rec is becoming Parks Rec and open space.
  • 03:10:37
    But we do have a 10th one in there, which is resilient community.
  • 03:10:40
    And that's a lot of things of how we're tackling climate change.
  • 03:10:44
    I think as a general principle, we're going to try and deal with these topic areas, policies that are mostly germane to that topic area and really trying to speak to them only in that topic area.
  • 03:10:56
    Obviously, policies sometimes touch across multiple different topic areas.
  • 03:11:00
    But to the extent we can compartmentalize stuff and to try and sort of deal with something like land use and transportation are closely linked.
  • 03:11:09
    But the need to sort of split them off and to put them separately so they can sort of really
  • 03:11:14
    Delt with us individual issues that we're trying to drive there and the resilient community one is to sort of act at the end in case we forgot something that's related to climate change that we can sweep up and put into that last chapter.
  • 03:11:26
    So that's the basic structure of the document and broadly speaking our upcoming schedule for the
  • 03:11:33
    for working with you all in the planning commission is that through now and into April, we'll be coming to the board and the PC with work sessions on these 10 topic chapters.
  • 03:11:45
    We'll be rolling those out and trying to get them to you as early as possible, probably in advance of what you normally would receive packets of information in an effort to make sure that you have time to read and sort of digest, sort of sit with this stuff.
  • 03:12:00
    and be able to sort of help us become some of these work sessions.
  • 03:12:06
    We hope to be wrapping that up.
  • 03:12:08
    In April, we're still working on the schedule and part of that is predicated on making sure you have plenty of time with your budget work sessions.
  • 03:12:16
    We recognize the conflict there.
  • 03:12:17
    So we're still massaging that.
  • 03:12:19
    But the aspiration is it will be finished to topic chapters by April and it will come back with the full set off
  • 03:12:27
    All three of these sections of the of the plan as a final rough draft for you.
  • 03:12:33
    We'll go back through that.
  • 03:12:35
    And then we're aiming for a public hearing with the planning commission of the board in July.
  • 03:12:42
    Also, I wanted to touch on with my last little part here on the public engagement.
  • 03:12:47
    Obviously, we've been working with the AC44 working group, Citizens Committee, that has been a different group of citizens in each phase.
  • 03:12:54
    So now we're in our third phase, we're working with a different set of citizens.
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    And there'll be folks working sort of uses a sounding board and sort of take ideas out to.
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    We're also trying to reach out to the broader community.
  • 03:13:07
    We have all all CAC joint meetings scheduled for October.
  • 03:13:14
    And then we'll be as we start rolling out chapters, we're going to be coming and having a community check in sort of open houses, if you will, here at the building where people can come in and find out a little bit more about individual chapters and sort of give input to what they're seeing in those chapters.
  • 03:13:33
    And finally, when we get to that last part of we sort of gone through the 10 topic chapters, and we've sort of written a draft, you know, final draft for the document, we're going to have a series of open houses to allow the public to sort of see
  • 03:13:49
    was in the draft and asked questions and learned more about what's going on before we bring it to you all for another run and review and make sure that we got everything right in the document.
  • 03:14:00
    And finally, of course, there'll be a public hearing.
  • 03:14:03
    So that is our engagement strategy.
  • 03:14:05
    I would also note that we have updated the website with these
  • 03:14:11
    are engaged Albemarle website with these dates and we're finalizing a public engagement plan with our consultant EPR that we will be bringing to both you all on the planning commission shortly.
  • 03:14:24
    I don't know if you have any questions with that, I'd be happy to answer anything.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:14:28
    real quick before we go to the order by monthly, I look it up and it says it could either mean twice a month or every other month, which it means every other month.
  • 03:14:36
    Okay.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 03:14:36
    I don't believe I have questions at this juncture.
  • 03:14:39
    A lot of
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:14:52
    A lot of this seems like it is laying into what we previously discussed when we last had basically the plan to right size the comprehensive plan come before the board.
  • 03:15:06
    So until we get into the section that we're looking at today, I'm not sure I have questions or comments on this that I didn't have them.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:15:17
    So I'm just, what am I reacting to right now?
  • 03:15:20
    Just the upcoming schedule.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:15:22
    The structure of the document as opposed to the particulars of the development growth management policy.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:15:30
    All right, I think I'll just use this opportunity to set you made the point and understand the point to disagree with the point that you should not have to read the whole document in order to be able to understand to get some of the big picture items.
  • 03:15:41
    But to approve the document, I'm going to need all of that.
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    So I don't want it.
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    I don't want anybody getting upset with this board member that when I finally have a complete draft.
  • 03:15:55
    that to me, I finally have what I need to work on the comprehensive plan.
  • 03:15:59
    I get why we do it this way and others are better suited.
  • 03:16:04
    It seems to be able to do this.
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    It's very iterative.
  • 03:16:06
    It's very disjointed, but I don't want anybody getting unhappy if it seems like you guys are pulling into the parking lot for the final time.
  • 03:16:13
    And I said, let's go back out for a run.
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    So I'm just going to use this opportunity to say that, because I can deal with each chapter individually, but until I see all 10, and I see a growth management policy listed, and I'd be able to draw the through lines, that's when to me, that's like, okay, I've got a working document now to really dig into.
  • 03:16:32
    So I'm just throwing that out that if I'm in the minority, they're fine and I'll adapt, but that's where
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    I don't want any miss whatever the right we could misconception.
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    I don't know misunderstanding.
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    If we get to that point and I don't want staff getting unhappy with me.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:16:48
    No, I'm a duly noted.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 03:16:53
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:16:54
    Supervisor Lopez.
  • 03:16:55
    No curtain.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:16:56
    I have no questions at this time.
  • 03:16:58
    Thank you.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:17:00
    just one comment that you're 10 chapters.
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    I understand that you want each one to stand alone and talk about its own thing, but philosophically, all 10 of them make up our quality of life.
  • 03:17:12
    And so they live together in the same bucket and we will get there eventually, but
  • 03:17:16
    I agree with Ned.
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    We're going to have to keep stirring the pot until we get it just right.
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    And I am very happy as one person to have extra meetings to make sure we do this right.
  • 03:17:24
    Because in 2015, we had a whole year every month, we had an extra meeting that was only on the Complan and made it survivable.
  • 03:17:31
    So please think about that as you go forward.
  • 03:17:33
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:17:35
    Thank you, Supervisor McHale.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:17:37
    I don't have any, I agree with what's been said because I think at some point we're going to all want to see the totality, but I do like what we're doing in trying to make it simpler and more readable.
  • 03:17:48
    I think all that's great.
  • 03:17:50
    Having said that, I do have one quick question.
  • 03:17:52
    Open houses for a complete comprehensive plan draft, minimum of three held at various times.
  • 03:17:59
    I know it gets complicated, but I have I have a lot of my a portion of my community that doesn't come down here.
  • 03:18:10
    And they probably won't come down here for various reasons, right?
  • 03:18:13
    Will we be having some of these in various locations as well as various times?
  • 03:18:18
    That's what I'm asking.
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    And I know that gets complicated and I apologize.
  • 03:18:22
    And you can just think about that, right?
  • 03:18:24
    All right.
  • 03:18:26
    Thank you very much.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:18:28
    Thank you.
  • 03:18:30
    I did ask that question bi-monthly because I'm looking at this beginning in December, open to the public.
  • 03:18:34
    If you got December, then the next month would not be, so it would be February and then April, and then we're there.
  • 03:18:43
    We're done.
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    So I'm worried whether our public engagement still isn't quite robust enough and would like to see more.
  • 03:18:51
    I know this originally said beginning by monthly in October and of course we're in October and we're getting near the end of October so all of this is
  • 03:19:01
    fluid, but I would like to see additional.
  • 03:19:04
    In addition, I know we're looking just at the sort of chapter headings and a four guiding principles with lens of equity and climate change was definitely in here right from the beginning.
  • 03:19:14
    I appreciate that.
  • 03:19:16
    Then when you mentioned resilient community, I heard the words resilient community because that addresses climate change.
  • 03:19:23
    And I do think that there are two aspects to climate change.
  • 03:19:25
    One is resilience and the other is recognizing our responsibility.
  • 03:19:30
    for our missions, and so I don't want to see that get lost in the Brazilian community.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 03:19:36
    Yeah, and I think so, fair enough, and a lot of what we do to deal with the environmental impacts will probably end up
  • 03:19:43
    in a couple of different spots, whether it's how we're trying to deal with land use and transportation or direct environmental impacts to aquatic and terrestrial resources.
  • 03:19:55
    Yeah, we'll try and deal with those in that.
  • 03:19:57
    Obviously, equity and climate change sort of touch on a lot of these different chapters and different places, even what we're doing with our public buildings, et cetera.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:20:07
    Excellent.
  • 03:20:07
    And so what I would hope is that we would see equity and climate change repair throughout the document.
  • 03:20:12
    That sounds great.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:20:13
    Yes.
  • 03:20:15
    This would probably be the best time to mention this as well.
  • 03:20:17
    I know many, if not all, the supervisors listen to the Planning Commission meeting on this topic.
  • 03:20:22
    I would endorse Chairman Missel's request for a feedback loop.
  • 03:20:27
    for both when the planning commission, I know we'll probably get into some of that today, but having it before today, moving forward, especially as we get into the chapters, I think would be helpful.
  • 03:20:38
    And that's what I was hearing their request of you, the same thing, us, our feedback, getting back to them.
  • 03:20:45
    I'm sure we'll still listen to the videos, but it's nice when you're having a conversation, having the summary of the feedback there to be able to work through those meetings as well.
  • 03:20:53
    Yes, sir.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:20:55
    I guess I'll add that I very much appreciate that we received in our emails today sort of a draft of what's coming, but of course it was a draft of what's coming based on what's in the draft right now that we're only now reviewing so it's likely to change in significant respects if you get feedback from us today to add to the addition itself.
  • 03:21:16
    Supermise me if you stupid.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:21:17
    Yes, regarding the open houses, would it be possible, just a suggestion, that maybe the open houses could be held with the CACs and then invite the public.
  • 03:21:29
    And so therefore you're involving the CAC, but you're also inviting the public to come for an open house and maybe extend the hours or something.
  • 03:21:38
    because I know the previous open houses, VDOT has done those.
  • 03:21:42
    They've had them from like three to six and people could walk in.
  • 03:21:45
    But mine, you know, might be good to just have it as that's the CAC meeting.
• • 03:21:53
    Thank you.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:21:55
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:21:59
    We'll just go ahead and keep going then.
  • 03:22:05
    Looks like they might be fixing the the Dias computer there.
  • 03:22:09
    So give me a moment here.
  • 03:22:12
    Good morning.
  • 03:22:12
    Good afternoon.
  • 03:22:13
    We're having trouble hearing you.
  • 03:22:14
    So I'm sorry.
  • 03:22:15
    Project.
  • 03:22:16
    Okay, I can do that.
  • 03:22:18
    Good afternoon.
  • 03:22:19
    I'm Tanya Swartz-Jerber with the Community Development Department.
  • 03:22:24
    Here on behalf of the AC44 staff team to review a few key concepts of the COMP plan or what we're calling AC44.
  • 03:22:33
    I'll run through this afternoon's presentation.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:22:36
    Police louder.
  • 03:22:37
    Really?
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:22:37
    Yeah.
  • 03:22:38
    Okay.
  • 03:22:39
    Thank you.
  • 03:22:39
    Maybe the mic, maybe the mic right there.
  • 03:22:42
    Maybe it's not pointed at the right place.
  • 03:22:45
    Never been told I'm too quiet before.
  • 03:22:49
    So I'll review a few key concepts for the COMP plan and run through to today's presentation and take questions along the way.
  • 03:22:57
    So please feel free to interrupt.
  • 03:23:01
    Let's start with what you have in your packet, which is Attachment A.
  • 03:23:08
    and is also called the AC44 Outline.
  • 03:23:12
    We're using this as a tool to give you an idea of how the pieces that Michael mentioned fit together and also alert you to upcoming work sessions.
  • 03:23:23
    So what we're doing with the red box is alerting you to the subject of the current work session.
  • 03:23:31
    the orange text will be upcoming work sessions and then any dates that we've discussed this topic in a similar way we've listed in blue.
  • 03:23:48
    The attachment B that you have is at least for part two is where we're listing the draft text that will show up in the document.
  • 03:24:00
    You did receive the draft development area land use chapter, which is part three earlier today in your email and going forward will continue to send those PDFs to you.
  • 03:24:18
    The last attachment that you have, again, sorry, on attachment B, the text that is highlighted or boxed in red is the current text for the current work session that we'll be talking about today.
  • 03:24:34
    The last attachment that you have is attachment C, which is the preview of the land use tools that we'll go through in a moment.
  • 03:24:48
    We did make a few changes to this presentation since you received it last week.
  • 03:24:55
    Mostly the PC feedback was was added.
  • 03:25:00
    What we heard from the PC for just
  • 03:25:03
    County.
  • 03:25:04
    The overall comp plan process was making sure there's sufficient time between.
  • 03:25:10
    Commission and board meetings so that y'all can review the PC comments support.
  • 03:25:17
    There was general support for the document structure and the comp plan language so far.
  • 03:25:22
    At PC meetings, staff with our staff should provide an update
  • 03:25:37
    So let's get into the growth management policy.
  • 03:25:40
    The county established the growth management policy with the adoption of its first comprehensive plan in 1971.
  • 03:25:48
    The policy designates a growth area, which is the development areas and the rural area.
  • 03:25:56
    Similar growth management policies are used throughout Virginia and across the country.
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    Currently, the development areas are approximately 37 square miles or 5% of county land, and the rural area is 95% of county land.
  • 03:26:15
    The purpose of the policy is to encourage vibrant, mixed use, dense and walkable development in the development areas supported by infrastructure and amenities in order to protect the natural, historic, scenic and cultural resources in the rural area.
  • 03:26:34
    Having designated growth areas helps to avoid sprawl and supports the efficient and more cost effective provision of public infrastructure and services.
  • 03:26:47
    With AC 44, the growth management policy is carried forward with several updates to the text to reflect community input and to incorporate equity and climate action while keeping the core purpose of the policy.
  • 03:27:03
    First, we've made it clear that the county is planning for current and future community members.
  • 03:27:10
    and secondly, the specific areas that the policy guide are listed and those are land use, capital projects and public service decisions.
  • 03:27:23
    The last bit of language that was updated includes the provision for small scale businesses and limited public services in the rural area to support the existing communities.
  • 03:27:38
    The last component which was having a distinct boundary between the rural area and development area has always been a part of the growth management policy, but has also been carried forward, just are clearly stating that the distinct boundary is necessary for success.
  • 03:28:00
    Here's the language itself, and I'll give you a moment to go ahead and read this for yourselves.
  • 03:28:09
    Let's see.
  • 03:28:13
    Yes, I will give you a moment to read this.
  • 03:28:16
    See if you have any questions.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:28:19
    You're just going to ask, is this the same as what was in our packet?
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:28:21
    It is.
  • 03:28:30
    Much of this language does stem from our four guiding principles, including welcoming and equitable, green and resilient, thriving and prosperous, connected and accessible.
  • 03:29:02
    where we jump into the development area utilization review.
  • 03:29:06
    Are there any questions on the growth management policy as it stands?
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:29:16
    Got a lot more of this presentation to go through, so I'm trying to understand exactly what you want feedback on.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:29:22
    Well, the policy itself, if you had, if there were any just general questions about the text.
  • 03:29:30
    Yes, what's on the screen if there are any questions?
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:29:32
    We'll go through our order, but maybe we'll be coming back to some of this, I think, as we go through the rest of it and get our comments.
  • 03:29:40
    I think all of us have tried to prepare as well.
  • 03:29:44
    We can wait until the end.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:29:45
    Well, I think it's better to go individually.
  • 03:29:48
    Otherwise, we're going to get lost and each of us will have 15 things to do.
  • 03:29:52
    So a quick thing.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:29:55
    I don't know that I have anything that I would add to what is on the screen.
  • 03:29:58
    I mean, there's certainly things that are in the ambit of the group management policy right now.
  • 03:30:02
    I'm looking at page three.
  • 03:30:03
    I have several questions here, but that's not on the screen.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:30:08
    Supervisor Gallo.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:30:09
    Yeah, I'll give the caveat of my earlier statement about as things grow.
  • 03:30:16
    I don't want any comment or non comment about this today to have you go.
  • 03:30:24
    We got it.
  • 03:30:25
    Fair.
  • 03:30:26
    There's a lot of feedback that we've received some that I'm still trying to ponder if I agree or not agree with and haven't arrived at that decision yet and didn't feel I needed to arrive at that decision yet.
  • 03:30:38
    So I just throwing that out there.
  • 03:30:40
    That's probably how this is going to work for all of us as we go through the confland.
  • 03:30:43
    However, I will endorse what planning commissioner Bivens had to say about this.
  • 03:30:49
    He was saying, where are we at now when we talk about growing equitably and sustainably?
  • 03:30:55
    and I feel like this is a through line in different areas that we could be talking about today relative to this notion of thinking we're in a different state.
  • 03:31:07
    The real state that we're in now is different somehow or better or more advanced than it really is.
  • 03:31:15
    and then if we plan for a future and we've got the starting point wrong, we've just screwed up all the planning.
  • 03:31:21
    So his his overarching point was let's where are we realistically at?
  • 03:31:27
    What are the gaps?
  • 03:31:28
    Now, he was focusing on equitably and sustainably.
  • 03:31:33
    But I suspect if we gave him voice now, he would continue with infrastructure and a lot of other things specific to the development area.
  • 03:31:40
    But I think his point was spot on that we have to have a realistic notion of where we're at.
  • 03:31:47
    what the gaps are and then figure out not just moving everything forward, but how to close those gaps so that futures things can build on top of the closed gaps.
  • 03:31:58
    Does that make sense?
  • 03:31:59
    It does.
  • 03:32:00
    So that's where I'm at right now with saying, well, I don't know where I'm at with this wording because that is still percolating in my brain.
  • 03:32:10
    OK.
  • 03:32:12
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:32:12
    Thank you.
  • 03:32:14
    Mr. Professor Lapisto-Curtland.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:32:17
    I don't have any questions at this point.
  • 03:32:19
    I will shortly.
  • 03:32:22
    Thank you.
  • 03:32:23
    Thank you.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:32:25
    So I guess the where you start to talk about the rural area halfway down the paragraph here, it goes for agriculture.
  • 03:32:38
    And what is missing here is mention of the drinking water watershed protection for the growth area.
  • 03:32:45
    So I have sent so that you don't have to write it all down.
  • 03:32:49
    I've sent some ideas along to add a few words there, because I think it's really important for the community to understand where their drinking water comes from, and to know that that it's not just Fru Fru scenery out there, but it is real survival out there that's being provided.
  • 03:33:07
    And I'm looking at your attachment B and the box there.
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    It talks about
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    um protect the ecosystems and natural and scenic historic cultural resources in the rural area again the same thing to provide urban services such as water sewer and sidewalks in the most cost-effective way was the reason why the growth area was created so you will see those things written down but in reacting to that particular paragraph that was the one thing I wanted to make sure got out there now because it's important I mean it's only taken 20 years of trying to bring this up to get
  • 03:33:48
    The financial constraints of providing those services was the cause, the reason for the growth area to begin with, to keep this to be a low or cost community.
  • 03:33:59
    And then the down zoning in 1980 that required to protect, that was required in order to protect the watershed for the urban area.
  • 03:34:07
    Thank you.
  • 03:34:08
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:34:09
    Thank you, Supervisor McHill.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:34:11
    Maybe I'm misunderstanding where Anne's going with this, but for me, this is your opening statement in a way and the details to follow.
  • 03:34:22
    So the attempt here is to be very general in some ways, right?
  • 03:34:28
    And then we're going to get into those details, which I think Anne's going for.
  • 03:34:31
    And I understand she may very well feel like, but am I wrong on that?
  • 03:34:35
    I mean, I'm looking at this as your sort of your opening statement.
  • 03:34:40
    It is.
  • 03:34:40
    And if you get it too detailed, it's not an opening statement.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:34:43
    It's the policy itself.
  • 03:34:45
    Yeah, exactly.
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    We're intending to keep the purpose of the policy.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:34:49
    Yeah, so it's sort of the opposite.
  • 03:34:51
    It frames where we are.
  • 03:34:52
    And then you're going to get into many of those other details as we
  • 03:34:57
    Water and Sewer and as we go through.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:34:59
    And that is in the part two text that you were given in Attachment B. Yeah.
  • 03:35:07
    But the discussion of the watershed protection was not included in that text.
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    So I think Supervisor is just pointing as we should incorporate that information.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:35:17
    I just think we have to be careful because we can't add everything into the first
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:35:23
    However, if you're mentioning agriculture and forestry, you ought to mention two boards.
  • 03:35:26
    That's all.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:35:27
    Yeah.
  • 03:35:28
    And I'm just, and I'm not, it's fine.
  • 03:35:30
    And I'm just was trying in my head to clarify exactly what I was looking at on the screen and putting into perspective.
  • 03:35:37
    Um, cause I have some comments about some other things here, but I'll wait, like welcoming community and, but anyway, um, so I'll pass for right now.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 03:35:49
    We just add one of the things that notice in the 2015 plan, there's not a distillation of the policy.
  • 03:35:55
    It's spread across 10 or 12 pages, sort of talking about what the, so this was an effort to try and distill it into a paragraph.
  • 03:36:02
    And hopefully that's a successful move on our part, as opposed to having it, you know, more broadly speaking, spoken.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:36:10
    and that that's what I was trying to appreciate.
  • 03:36:12
    And I understand that Ann's points because those are very important, what she's talking about.
  • 03:36:16
    Yes, ma'am.
  • 03:36:17
    But it is sort of the very anyway.
  • 03:36:20
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:36:22
    and I'm muddying up the work somewhat, but I am very aware that people in the Environmental Council and the Southern Environmental Law Center, both of us, have tied into additional language that they thought would help clarify that this is emphasizing as a foundation for the county's comprehensive plan and looking at the emphasis placed on density and connectivity, high quality sustainable design, reinvestment, redevelopment, infill,
  • 03:36:47
    and none of those things are reflected in this, but I would hope that they've been looked at and considered in this process so that perhaps this language could be improved if we consider some of that feedback.
  • 03:36:59
    And I just, at this point, I want to reiterate all that feedback, but I know we've all received it and it's specific to these two paragraphs.
  • 03:37:08
    So, and I find it helpful.
  • 03:37:11
    So, thank you.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:37:14
    I wanted to actually also mention that I've reviewed SCLC's and BEC's language.
  • 03:37:19
    I actually, I think, agreed with almost every tweak they made.
  • 03:37:23
    I thought it was quite thoughtful and it did address this.
  • 03:37:26
    And I do shocker.
  • 03:37:29
    I actually want to
  • 03:37:32
    go to bat for Anne's point that she was making a few minutes ago.
  • 03:37:36
    And this, I think, was heavily informed by me as a newcomer to this community.
  • 03:37:40
    And also, frankly, I mean, we're talking about a policy change from 71 newcomer to planet Earth.
  • 03:37:45
    I was not here in 71 or other where.
  • 03:37:48
    But I did not originally appreciate as a newcomer to this community.
  • 03:37:53
    the role that water quality had made in the formulation of our comprehensive plan.
  • 03:38:00
    But talking with Sally Thomas and frankly reading a history of the environmental pushback and how that was heavily driven by the the nutrification of some of our streams due to the sudden growth of impervious surfaces, frankly did make me think about how I think about environmental quality and our growth management policy differently.
  • 03:38:23
    and I do think that detail is something that is critical and something that when we communicate with frankly young people in the urban ring, young people in Charlottesville, people who have arrived in this community and don't quite understand the history of this plan.
  • 03:38:38
    I do think it is an important piece that was frankly lost on me until one of my constituents wrote a history article about it and sent it to me.
  • 03:38:49
    So I do appreciate the point of
  • 03:38:52
    emphasizing water quality and also the role of the development area in that, in kind of the core of the growth management policy, because it is like the, er, inciting incident of our growth management policy in a lot of ways.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:39:10
    Thank you.
  • 03:39:11
    I agree with that as well.
  • 03:39:11
    Supervisor Cowell.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:39:12
    Well, I'll add to that and take it from maybe a different angle.
  • 03:39:16
    In thinking about the drinking water and the protection of water quality,
  • 03:39:22
    because those who, you know, with folks that I'm having conversations with who would sit here and say we should expand the development area, which can be a political conversation in this well should be or could be it is a political conversation.
  • 03:39:35
    Folks, when I when the water quality issue comes up, anybody in support of expanding the development area for other reasons,
  • 03:39:46
    immediately agree that the water quality should be protected.
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    So they don't see that as a debate.
  • 03:39:55
    So approaching this, looking at the anywhere when somebody that's in agreement that a development area should expand and somebody that's in disagreement that it should expand, if they're agreeing on the same point, there's probably merit there.
  • 03:40:10
    because I think, and I hate to say this, but I think sometimes when we say agricultural forestry, this language, it gets lost into rolling vistas and scenics and aesthetics.
  • 03:40:23
    And that's what makes it go, well, oh, well, you know, gotcha.
  • 03:40:29
    But this is a very specific, particular thing that I think everyone would go, yeah, we have to protect our
  • 03:40:37
    the quality of the water that's coming in through the sewers and the birds through the sewers, through the water pipes coming into our homes in the infrastructure that's there.
  • 03:40:48
    But it's like a hard, it's almost the one thing I think everybody would say yes to.
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    Nobody'd be like, hell no, we shouldn't protect our water quality.
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    So anything like that to me seems to be a win.
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    And for that reason, I would say that it probably could be tweaked to be emphasized there.
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    especially if we're just continuing saying agricultural forestry and conservation of ecosystems, like do we really?
  • 03:41:11
    Agricultural and forestry just gets kind of dismissed for folks that live in the development area and who are looking for the density and the infrastructure and the expansion of the development zone.
  • 03:41:21
    So it could be a way to finally bridge those two camps, if you would, if that makes sense.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:41:28
    Can we just add in their conservation of ecosystems, including water quality?
  • 03:41:34
    Something like that.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:41:34
    It's a different thing because conservation of ecosystems, unless it's defined, to me, that gets to a whole different animal than protecting the watershed because the water quality is going into the development area plus.
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    because the rural area doesn't get the waters coming from their own right.
  • 03:41:50
    Right.
  • 03:41:51
    Well, if you're on the water system, you're getting it from us.
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    The system and it's, you know, especially the northwest part of our county.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:41:59
    Yeah.
  • 03:41:59
    What would be an easy tweak to this?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:42:01
    I don't know.
  • 03:42:02
    I'm throwing it out there.
  • 03:42:03
    That's why I'm giving the caveat that it's going to take a little while to massage these things.
  • 03:42:08
    But the point is there that as we'll get into some other elements here about the development area and the boundaries,
  • 03:42:16
    This past week has been heavily involved on trying to find a win between the folks that would normally be on a divergent, on different sides of the fence.
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    And water quality is certainly one where everybody goes, we're all on the same side here on this one.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:42:30
    Protecting our water quality.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:42:31
    Even climate change and climate resiliency doesn't get you everybody in the corral.
  • 03:42:38
    Water quality does.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:42:40
    Well, and I think that gets to what Mike was saying as to why we have development area and a rural area, right?
  • 03:42:46
    That was the much of the intent to begin.
  • 03:42:48
    So I'm understanding.
  • 03:42:50
    And that's what you discovered at some point, right?
  • 03:42:53
    Yes.
  • 03:42:53
    Because a lot of people don't think about that when they move in.
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    They don't know why we have a rural area and a development area.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:42:58
    I mean, we say all the things we're trying to accomplish with our rural area and all that's true.
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    But
  • 03:43:04
    I think you come into this community and you say, oh, this is what I'm trying to accomplish with the rural area.
  • 03:43:08
    This is what I'm trying to accomplish with the growth area plan.
  • 03:43:10
    It doesn't say anything about.
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    and if we abandon it, I will not be able to drink water.
  • 03:43:17
    But that is also true.
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    Good big.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:43:20
    I think the tweak could be made easily.
  • 03:43:22
    I mean, I think that would be an easy tweak.
  • 03:43:24
    Yeah.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:43:24
    Sheriff May, we're happy to go ahead and tweak the language as it does seem like the will of the entire board.
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    So we'll be happy to propose some language at our next meeting.
  • 03:43:38
    and that way we can take a look, take a look at the appropriate language and get back to you.
  • 03:43:44
    Okay, if that's all right.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:43:46
    Go back and say also there have been inputs from other community members as well, BC, SLC and others that should be looked at.
  • 03:43:53
    Right.
  • 03:43:53
    Connection with us.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:43:54
    Thank you.
  • 03:43:55
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:44:03
    I should have apologized.
  • 03:44:05
    I should have reviewed this before we got into the discussion, but we did hear some feedback from the PC regarding the growth management policy.
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    Housing affordability is a significant concern related to the policy.
  • 03:44:20
    Our community will meet the vision of being welcoming and equitable, will not meet the vision of being welcoming and equitable without housing choice and affordability.
  • 03:44:31
    We should also include more of the rationale behind the policy, including cost efficiency and providing public services and infrastructure and designated growth areas and avoiding sprawl and its associated negative impacts.
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    On the maps in the COMP plan, add more explanation of the different land uses and environmental features in the rural areas.
  • 03:45:01
    The growth management policy is carried forward in this comp plan as a means to continue to accommodate growth in the in the development areas and protect the rural area.
  • 03:45:13
    There are a variety of tools we can use to implement the growth management policy and influence the performance of the development areas, including revising current land use designations through area plan updates, which we'll talk about more in a few minutes.
  • 03:45:31
    and also including public investment and infrastructure and amenities to catalyze and support development in the activity centers.
  • 03:45:40
    We can also update the zoning ordinance to support high quality mixed use and dense development and a variety of housing and lastly, sorry, housing types and lastly, we can expand the development area boundaries.
  • 03:45:58
    But first, we need to know where we stand on the actual build-out and land capacity of the development areas.
  • 03:46:07
    While the most recent land use build-out analysis done in 2022 indicates there is sufficient capacity to accommodate projected growth over the next 10 to 20 years, this hinges on projects
  • 03:46:21
    building at the high end of recommended density and intensity of uses.
  • 03:46:27
    In the past, we know that rezoning projects, for example, have been built to 58% of the maximum recommended density per the future land use category.
  • 03:46:38
    Monitoring the capacity of the development areas to accommodate projected growth and demand is a key component of a long-range planning effort and implementing the growth management policy.
  • 03:46:51
    staff proposes a development areas utilization review every two to three years so we can monitor actual buildout and capacity and evaluate whether or not we are meeting the goals for the growth management policy.
  • 03:47:06
    This review will take the form of the land use buildout analysis and will include the factors listed on your screen.
  • 03:47:16
    These factors can be reviewed by the board to assess the performance of the development within the development areas and help develop and help determine when and which adjustments are needed potentially using the tools mentioned on the previous slide.
  • 03:47:33
    We can come back to the slide to answer the question of whether these factors are sufficient for your review of the performance of the development areas.
  • 03:47:47
    again going letting you know what the PC said about this particular item with the future area plan updates the PC indicated the need to increase the use of higher density future land use categories on the future land use map a significant amount of development areas
  • 03:48:10
    land is designated neighborhood residential, which is not sufficient use of limited development areas land.
  • 03:48:20
    The review criteria, how well development in the development areas is meeting the objectives of the comp plan should be higher priority in the criteria list.
  • 03:48:31
    There should be a quantitative benchmarks for this criteria and an explanation of what the county will do if we reach a certain threshold.
  • 03:48:41
    We need to ensure actions in the plan implement the development and efficient use of land we want to see in the development areas.
  • 03:48:51
    For example, we need to incentivize density, building height, and redevelopment of underutilized malls, parking lots within the development areas.
  • 03:49:02
    and lastly, achieving the vision for the development areas and especially the activity activity centers will require public investments and projects.
  • 03:49:16
    I can pause here if you would all like to discuss the development area utilization review or we can continue on and take that at the end.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:49:26
    I think this is a pretty key portion of the document for us to stop and take some comments.
  • 03:49:31
    So if I may, I'll supervise it.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:49:33
    I also do think I now have a slightly better understanding of how we're chunking this out, looking at our document.
  • 03:49:40
    So I gather now that maybe comments on page
  • 03:49:45
    three in the top of page four, it probably should have been included in the previous section because that is still under the growth management policy before you broke into it.
  • 03:49:53
    I was just reading.
  • 03:49:56
    Yes.
  • 03:49:57
    Anyway,
  • 03:50:00
    I guess on that note just of something I should have mentioned before but I didn't realize we were there yet.
  • 03:50:07
    I have not this alludes to the fact that there was previously before the existence of a comprehensive plan we still have something resembling a development area in 1971 that was larger.
  • 03:50:17
    I have not seen that
  • 03:50:23
    It alludes to their previously being a much larger acreage that was set aside for development in 71 that has since been shrunk down significantly.
  • 03:50:33
    I don't know that.
  • 03:50:33
    I'm sorry, Supervisor Malley.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:50:35
    Oh, so before zoning in 1980, the whole county was a development.
• • SPEAKER_00
  • 03:50:40
    Sure.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:50:41
    and to do the watershed protection, there was a down zoning.
  • 03:50:44
    It was approved by referendum in 1980 that took two acre lots and made them 21 acre lots and more in the whole watershed on the western and northern part of the county.
  • 03:50:54
    So that's where that reduction in acreage came from.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:50:56
    Okay, I think I understand now.
  • 03:50:58
    I would still like to see what that originally looked like, just to have a better sense of how that has changed.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:51:03
    somewhere there's a map with black dots for every development right out there and you can't see any white.
  • 03:51:08
    It's really shocking, but somebody may be able to help us figure that out.
  • 03:51:13
    Great.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:51:13
    Thank you.
  • 03:51:16
    moving on to actually the development area utilization section.
  • 03:51:20
    Also, do we have a separate chunk out where we look at we have a piece of describing notional uses and a preliminary flume?
  • 03:51:30
    Is that going to be in a separate review section following this?
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 03:51:34
    It is.
  • 03:51:35
    We'll preview that tonight, but then we'll discuss and give you more detail in about three weeks, I believe, November 6th.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:51:47
    I'm just still trying to get, I think, a better sense of how we give feedback in this new section.
  • 03:51:53
    It was very easy to guess how I could be structuring my feedback to you when we had the previous
  • 03:52:00
    like criteria.
  • 03:52:02
    Here's the three things we're looking at.
  • 03:52:03
    What are your feedback on that?
  • 03:52:06
    Sorry, this is not feedback on the plan.
  • 03:52:08
    This is just feedback on the process and how I'm now realizing a lot of my notes might not be applicable for tonight.
  • 03:52:15
    And that's I think no one's fault, but maybe just a learning experience we're going through together.
  • 03:52:23
    So I do think that the two year build out analysis kind of as a repeated
  • 03:52:28
    and I think the iterative process makes sense, but I would also agree with the planning commission's kind of feedback.
  • 03:52:33
    At some point, there needs to be a forcing function, right?
  • 03:52:36
    It is the instinct of, I think, political actors, in which I'm obviously myself included, of avoiding the biggest question in the room.
  • 03:52:47
    We've talked about this a little bit.
  • 03:52:49
    There's a lot of things indicating that we might be nearing reasonable capacity.
  • 03:52:57
    County, New York, New York, New York, New
  • 03:53:19
    I guess, alarm lines on the end of them, or we commit ourselves to taking action in certain capacities.
  • 03:53:25
    It will be something we will say, well.
  • 03:53:30
    it didn't tell me to do that in the comprehensive plan.
  • 03:53:32
    So I'm going to push that off to the next board.
  • 03:53:35
    At some point, if our growth patterns do not change, I think the whole board recognizes that the development area will have to change.
  • 03:53:44
    And I'm not saying that's today.
  • 03:53:46
    I'm not saying that's something we have to decide today, but it is something that has to happen.
  • 03:53:54
    Assuming there are catastrophic
  • 03:53:57
    Macro economic factors that change our growth patterns.
  • 03:53:59
    But so with that, I would also say, I don't get a sense in our comprehensive plan, we do talk about both the the win, the where and the how, right?
  • 03:54:10
    I feel like we've talked this document does talk a bit about the win.
  • 03:54:17
    And the build out analysis also talks about the win.
  • 03:54:21
    But it does not seem to touch as much on the the how
  • 03:54:28
    or the I know we don't we are definitely not talking about the where but we don't talk about the how either.
  • 03:54:32
    And I mentioned this just because something we talked about in the development area build out about the development area utilization section is the desire to make walkable communities that desired make things that can be serviced by transport the desire to be low carbon impact.
  • 03:54:49
    I would worry that the kind of immediate instinct we have for a conservative approach to development expansion when we hit those red lines.
  • 03:54:59
    will actually disserve those purposes, right?
  • 03:55:02
    The kind of instinct I feel like a lot of people have myself included is, oh, we will nibble around the edges where we have existing development.
  • 03:55:10
    We will have a little bit off of Avon.
  • 03:55:13
    We'll have a little bit off of 20.
  • 03:55:15
    We'll kind of, there's two lobes on 29 in the Rio district.
  • 03:55:19
    We'll smooth out those two lobes and make them a little more connected.
  • 03:55:23
    Like that is kind of the instinct, very much a nibble around the edge.
  • 03:55:26
    and I do worry that this serves all the other things we are saying because that just makes a more spread community.
  • 03:55:32
    It does not contribute to any node building.
  • 03:55:34
    It does not contribute to decisive placemaking.
  • 03:55:39
    This is this is a very nebulous point that I'm making, but there is a
  • 03:55:46
    I would direct members of the board and I will share it with you after this as well as with some key planning staff to the 2014 Wolfson prize award winning submission us Chester garden cities, which looks at the
  • 03:56:03
    basically the identical problem in the UK.
  • 03:56:05
    Looking at a hypothetical city and also Oxford, which is a city that very much resembles us.
  • 03:56:10
    It is a medium-sized city, it's a metro area of about one to two hundred thousand.
  • 03:56:17
    It is bounded by green space that is owned largely by small farmers and it is nearing development capacity and is anchored by university.
  • 03:56:26
    It is almost a one-to-one comparison, and it looks at how one would thoughtfully and sustainably expand those, and it argues not to nibble around the edge, but take what it calls a confident bite.
  • 03:56:39
    which is an alarming thing, but their point is by kind of using a snowflake style development pattern in which you do take out a significant node, right?
  • 03:56:47
    Say, oh, we have a lot of commercial activity growing up around Rivanna Station.
  • 03:56:52
    We're going to take a big confident node out of there and build some periphery services around there and make sure that these are well connected through transit services.
  • 03:57:03
    That actually reduces your overall consumption of the green belt.
  • 03:57:07
    and it also significantly improves how you're meeting those other goals of equity.
  • 03:57:12
    And it also kind of combats some of the issues we've talked about with the place, which is how you fight off speculation and sudden land rent rises when you're just doing these little nibbles because people see them coming.
  • 03:57:25
    Whereas a confident bite, there is not the time in the world to speculate the prices up when there's so many development rights that multiply out.
  • 03:57:33
    I realize that's also a much more substantial policy change if and when that came up.
  • 03:57:37
    But I guess the bigger point is none of this is contemplated as I see it in the comprehensive plan.
  • 03:57:44
    The how does not seem to be touched on.
  • 03:57:46
    And I see Jodi has been rearing back.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:57:49
    Sorry, please.
• • SPEAKER_21
  • 03:57:53
    Thank you, Chair.
  • 03:57:54
    Jodi Falardo, Community Development Director.
  • 03:57:57
    Supervisor Pruitt, you are right on the money.
  • 03:57:59
    You're just a little ahead of the game.
  • 03:58:03
    What we're doing today is really trying to set the overarching framework for the plan.
  • 03:58:10
    So it's really the in the largest kind of 30,000 foot level, what we're what you all want to accomplish across the entire county.
  • 03:58:19
    the how and the specific what's are in parts two and three.
  • 03:58:26
    And in the development area land use chapter that we sent out just at the very beginning of this meeting, I am hopeful that you'll see in that draft more of what you're hoping to accomplish.
  • 03:58:39
    So don't despair.
  • 03:58:41
    It's coming.
  • 03:58:42
    It's just not coming tonight.
  • 03:58:44
    That's not what we're trying to do tonight.
  • 03:58:46
    We're trying to get to the biggest picture tonight.
  • 03:58:49
    and then we'll start the drill down with the subsequent chapters that you'll see.
  • 03:58:54
    So thank you.
  • 03:58:55
    You're right on, but just ahead of the team here a little bit.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:58:59
    Neha, well, my apologies then.
• • SPEAKER_21
  • 03:59:01
    No worries.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:59:02
    I think I do have a few other comments, but they are going to relate more to the future land use map, which kind of ties into we're talking about development area land use, but
  • 03:59:13
    or Development Area Utilization.
  • 03:59:14
    Sorry, there we go.
  • 03:59:15
    That's this section.
  • 03:59:17
    But I think the things I have to say probably speak more specifically to the land use map.
  • 03:59:21
    So I'm going to hold the rest of those comments.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 03:59:24
    Yes, I may.
  • 03:59:25
    My sense of where we're going with the slides we're currently reviewing are close to answering the questions that were posed at the beginning, which are, does the draft growth management policy meet the needs of the county and are the draft factors for monitoring utilization of the development areas appropriate?
  • 03:59:43
    And that's what I think we are looking at right now.
  • 03:59:45
    So I thought, wow, this is a good place to stop, but also to hold off on getting into the future land use map and things of the
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 03:59:59
    I guess there's just one other comment I had and I grouped it with a later section of it but it's probably more appropriate here than I do just want to I think I've mentioned this before in our discussions and I see it as one of the planning commission's kind of comments to make sure that we are not treating the
  • 04:00:19
    the raw utilization of land as the deciding factor, but rather the the exon effects that that is having right so we should not just be saying oh we still have more land to build.
  • 04:00:33
    It should instead be an analysis that focuses heavily on.
  • 04:00:36
    what are we even able to build in there?
  • 04:00:38
    What is the impact that has on development costs?
  • 04:00:41
    What is the impact that has on livability, on affordability really is kind of the central thing I'm driving at.
  • 04:00:48
    And I know in earlier iterations of this, I felt that was not something that we grass or that we tackled fully with how this was touched on.
  • 04:00:58
    And I do want to make sure that has to be a really central factor because
  • 04:01:04
    I don't think we will ever develop the final 2% of the existing development area as identified.
  • 04:01:10
    I think every developer is going to look at those last 2% and say, no, I will leave that for the next guy and I will hold my giant pot of money until there's actually something I can make a decent investment on.
  • 04:01:22
    So I hope we would primarily focus instead on how is this actually affecting lives and investments rather than
  • 04:01:33
    I'm quite tired, rather than how much land is there simply left to build.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:01:43
    Thank you, Supervisor Cowley.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:01:52
    With all the notes on this, because this is a large chunk, this development area utilization review,
  • 04:01:59
    So I tried to organize these notes, but I really don't have this organized in a way that's so it might not flow, but I'm just going to throw out some thoughts and ideas here and see if I can tie them together.
  • 04:02:13
    I have to agree with my plan to plan.
  • 04:02:15
    It's interesting that two planning commissioners said no to the question one.
  • 04:02:19
    One's in support of the expansion of the development area and one was not.
  • 04:02:24
    And that's interesting to me, knowing those two individuals and why they
  • 04:02:30
    why they believe and what they believe relative to the development area.
  • 04:02:36
    But in trying to maximize the development area, that's kind of where my notes are.
  • 04:02:43
    I don't think we can afford to do a development utilization review that this board only gets every two years.
  • 04:02:52
    may be on certain elements, like our housing reports that we get, the building permits, you can do a comparison of what's happening in the development area versus the rural area.
  • 04:03:04
    So we might not need that more regularly, but to the point, I think it's, where's your, I think B under there, where you talk about how we say we've only been approved in 58% of the density with the projects that's come before.
  • 04:03:18
    It's probably time that our applications for rezoning or upzoning specifically in the development area with each application include a development utilization review as part of the application review.
  • 04:03:30
    So that I can look at that, I the board can look at that and say, if we approve this application at 60% density,
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    and it might be that the applicants asking for that isn't asking for more.
  • 04:03:46
    We just had the deferral over by the wall.
  • 04:03:50
    And both the commission and the board, I suspect if it had actually not been deferred would have been asking for more density there.
  • 04:03:57
    But if we, in real time, can look at each project and go, if you approve this at 60%, here's what happens to the big picture of the development area, that it moves your 58% to 56%.
  • 04:04:06
    Does that make sense?
  • 04:04:09
    So this development utilization review, I think, needs to be more of a tool for us so that we can measure where we're at with each project on capacity of the development area.
  • 04:04:23
    I think it would also should include how any sort of
  • 04:04:28
    attack.
  • 04:04:28
    I don't know what the right word would be.
  • 04:04:31
    Progress on affordable housing units as part of it and economic impact.
  • 04:04:37
    So it has been raised.
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    I don't know if it's been brought up here yet or not.
  • 04:04:42
    But I know that Green County and their rezoning requests, the application requires an economic on the part of the applicant to provide an economic impact report.
  • 04:04:55
    We don't really do that.
  • 04:04:57
    And I remember one of the first times a developer asked for my time when I first got on this board, they led with that.
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    But it wasn't anywhere.
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    So I remembered having that in my head, but then when it came in front of us, I was like, well, there was no talk of it, even by the applicant.
  • 04:05:11
    So it seems to me that if we're going to maximize the development area, because we've said we're not going to expand the growth there, I mean, this board has said that in an earlier meeting.
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    then how do we, in real time, with each application, whether it's 10 units or 500 units, say, all right, is this the right thing to say yes or no to?
  • 04:05:38
    Not just because of the single individual property, RioPoint.
  • 04:05:43
    I always like to use that as an example because I was against higher density there.
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    I was against the project for the reasons I laid out then.
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    But what was it part of my while I was analyzing the immediate area of where I point is.
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    I was not factoring in the factoring in the bigger picture of the development area.
  • 04:06:06
    And if allowing an extra 100 units there, well, that would have been a lot of.
  • 04:06:11
    More consternation from the folks that were out here lobbying against.
  • 04:06:17
    But nowhere in that conversation do I recall us saying, well, if we don't approve the extra 150 units here, it means our development area boundary, or maybe that buys us two extra years on when the inevitable, some people think it's inevitable that the growth area needs to expand some don't.
  • 04:06:36
    and sometimes that's just while I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat.
  • 04:06:39
    Not I'm not connecting that.
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    But you know, you just you dig your heels in and that's your thought.
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    That's how you view it.
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    But this gets that actual nuance or a data point so that this board can go.
  • 04:06:50
    Wow.
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    The applicants asking for 500.
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    What's let me think of one.
  • 04:06:56
    Ravanna, the one out in
  • 04:07:02
    Well, Old Ivy Road would be good, but we actually approved some of that, but I'm thinking out in the Glenmore, the one that eventually ended up being Breezy Hill.
  • 04:07:13
    This board wasn't comfortable.
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    I mean, we ended up getting one unit per acre in a development area.
  • 04:07:19
    What?
  • 04:07:20
    I mean, that was baffling to me.
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    I'm not trying to judge the folks that voted differently than I did.
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    But in that conversation, we should have said that's a defined development area.
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    And if we only approve one unit per acre there, here's what that means for the rest of the development area.
  • 04:07:35
    So this utilization review, I think we've been getting good information and feedback from folks about what should be included.
  • 04:07:42
    And maybe there is a larger thing that comes every two years, but this is real time information that has to be considered for our land use decisions every time an applications in front of us.
  • 04:07:53
    With the economic report that we received today.
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    with the commentary about the low wages, the poverty dropping, but incomes going up.
  • 04:08:03
    That means people are leaving, and if we don't figure out the housing piece, which we all think density is going to solve, whether it's affordable or not, more units helps the affordability conversation.
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    then we have to deal with that when the application is in front of us.
  • 04:08:21
    And I guess we have time to figure out whether that's the applicant's responsibility or ours or whatever.
  • 04:08:27
    I mean we can nuance that stuff out.
  • 04:08:28
    But I think that's what needs to happen and I think it should just be stated out there to begin with.
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    that the board will consider your application, but also needs to consider the ramifications, not just on the local area you're in, but the entire development area that exists.
  • 04:08:42
    It seems like that.
  • 04:08:46
    I mean, we've got such smart people in our planning commission listening to that meeting.
  • 04:08:50
    They are incredibly, they're really smart.
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    And that's where that idea started.
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    If I'm stealing it, I apologize for not giving the commissioners the credit for it.
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    but this is something that is formulated through considering like, well, how do we move this forward?
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    So we're not just status quo, but we're also not panicking and saying we need to expand the development area by 5% or 6% or whatever.
  • 04:09:18
    The other piece I think in the here, which the planning commission did discuss, Village of Rivanna would be part of it.
  • 04:09:26
    We get hung up on if the development area should expand.
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    but we don't talk about if it could shift.
  • 04:09:36
    So if we're not getting the density out of a village of Rivanna that's a defined development area, where can we get that density back at that's reasonable without necessarily changing the 5%?
  • 04:09:47
    The development, the utilization review probably needs to commence and get done to help us figure that out.
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    but there could be something there that could be a reasonable conversation that doesn't.
  • 04:10:08
    You wrote you can rotate things in a way that makes sense that could yield us density in the proper spots.
  • 04:10:17
    Without changing the overall number and maybe that's I don't know I'm trying to find a pragmatic way forward.
  • 04:10:25
    You know, there's still room for redevelopment.
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    There's still places within the defined development area as it exists to get some density.
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    But the county can't force it.
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    We have to wait for the applications to come in.
  • 04:10:38
    So my thoughts on this utilization review is, what does it lead to action wise to help us get what we want if we agree that we're going to maximize the density?
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    We're only going to get so many stories because the costs go up after you go so high and developers just don't have the market for that in this area.
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    Charlottesville and Albemarle.
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    So they're going to stop at a certain height, whether we allow it or not, because of the cost involved.
  • 04:11:03
    So then how do you get them to do other types of, like when we get the advocacy letters, they just say, well, just allow the dense and just redevelop those areas.
  • 04:11:10
    Well, we can't, we can't flip that switch.
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    Can't bulldoze an HOA.
  • 04:11:15
    So what do we do to help it?
  • 04:11:18
    The small area plan is one way.
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    It's an overlay.
  • 04:11:20
    It makes it easier for them to move through the process, but nobody's really come out of the gate and tried to hit the small area plan at Rio in 29 yet.
  • 04:11:28
    So what other things do we need to do?
  • 04:11:30
    So the two things that the Planning Commission did discuss, I think it might have been Commissioner Bivens again, talking about how we incentivize, we give people incentives to keep their land rural and not developed in the rural area.
  • 04:11:43
    What is the comparable tool in the development area to help develop that area land to develop?
  • 04:11:54
    and that goes beyond developer incentives targeted towards affordable housing, which is my next point.
  • 04:11:59
    The analysis of whether or not, now this isn't, this is outside a comp plan, but does our inclusionary zoning help us?
  • 04:12:05
    I mean, we're, what, what are we eight months in?
  • 04:12:10
    I'm not aware of, well, no applications have come before the board yet.
  • 04:12:14
    I don't know if any men have made it through the door to an application that are beyond 10 or 12 units.
  • 04:12:19
    So I'm concerned that our inclusionary zoning is it helping?
  • 04:12:23
    At some point, we have to decide if that's what we're going to continue to move forward with or not.
  • 04:12:29
    Because the development area utilization based on what we're about or what we'll end up putting into the comp plan, we can't have a policy in place that inhibits or does the exact reverse of what we're trying to do in the development area.
  • 04:12:43
    And we may have to pivot and figure that out.
  • 04:12:44
    So housing Albemarle is probably going to need some conversation about
  • 04:12:50
    specifically for that development incentive piece.
  • 04:12:52
    I still think not a lot of people really understand it fully.
  • 04:12:56
    So I'm not ready to punt on that.
  • 04:12:59
    But until we get some applications coming through that are at the two, three, four, five hundred level that include that incentive package, I don't know that anybody else where cities dealing with same thing, but theirs is a little bit more extreme in terms of big projects coming in to get the density.
  • 04:13:20
    The last thing, I guess, I don't know if it'll be the last thing, but the last thing for now.
  • 04:13:25
    When does infrastructure allow for better utilization?
  • 04:13:29
    So in the last four to five before the pandemic and getting some of these high density projects approved, the argument was, well, you can't wait for the infrastructure to build the density piece.
  • 04:13:41
    And I buy into that argument now to an extent.
  • 04:13:45
    but at what point does the lacking infrastructure inhibit or prohibit what the max density we're trying to go for and force us to a 58% or a 60%.
  • 04:13:57
    Some of its political will.
  • 04:13:59
    I'm not trying to say it's not political will.
  • 04:14:02
    Sometimes it's you just got to vote for it and then hope that the infrastructure will follow, but I'll use Rio point again.
  • 04:14:09
    Rio Point getting approved helped us get the roundabout that's happening.
  • 04:14:13
    It helped with the Belvedere, but there are a couple of thousand units that are still getting built and are going to come online out there.
  • 04:14:20
    And we've said that the infrastructure that's going in is what's needed to accommodate that.
  • 04:14:25
    But what happens at the next step when the next density comes in and you've already planned for that density?
  • 04:14:35
    is there at some point I have to think you have to have some infrastructure in place so that you can go from 300 units to 500 units and then you're getting better utilization in your development area.
  • 04:14:45
    Whether that's public investment like in a small area plan we've committed to putting public public areas in and taking on the maintenance of them to help stimulate it but but it's not we got now we're in wait mode and to see that happen so
  • 04:15:02
    whether or not this.
  • 04:15:03
    So I'm done with with the infrastructure piece.
  • 04:15:06
    I think that needs to be pondered as we go through this.
  • 04:15:08
    I don't know if small area plans are the way out of or the way to maximize development area capacity.
  • 04:15:20
    But that probably needs to wait for the land use maps and some of those some of those conversations.
  • 04:15:25
    So with that, I'll I'll stop for now.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:15:28
    Thank you, Supervisor Lapista.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:15:31
    I agree with a lot of what you said.
  • 04:15:34
    And I think the problem just going back since I've been on the board, but I think the problem was us.
  • 04:15:41
    We created this problem, at least this current board minus Mike.
  • 04:15:48
    Blameless.
  • 04:15:48
    Pardon?
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 04:15:49
    Blameless.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:15:50
    Blameless.
  • 04:15:51
    Yes.
  • 04:15:52
    Because we haven't approved.
  • 04:15:54
    what could
  • 04:16:12
    Albemarle,
  • 04:16:28
    County.
  • 04:16:28
    But I think we need to make use of what we have.
  • 04:16:31
    I'm always in favor of going, and I've said this before, going higher.
  • 04:16:35
    That's something of course that the developers would have to decide how high they want to go.
  • 04:16:41
    They could go seven stories.
  • 04:16:43
    That is more expensive.
  • 04:16:44
    The rents would be higher.
  • 04:16:48
    But there's got to be maybe they'll go five stories, maybe they'll go six stories.
  • 04:16:54
    And then that would, to me, that would also bring the transportation aspect to it.
  • 04:16:59
    When you have concentrated density, it's easier for transportation to get there.
  • 04:17:08
    When it's spread out, you're not going to have transportation out there.
  • 04:17:12
    It's just it's not going to happen.
  • 04:17:14
    So higher and denser would
  • 04:17:17
    give us the ability to have a for transportation, be it pedestrian, bike, and especially bus to bring people into work and everything.
  • 04:17:32
    I notice you mentioned housing types.
  • 04:17:35
    I mean, we have a I was kind of curious about that because from what I've seen, we have a lot of different types of housing.
  • 04:17:43
    And I mean, are we suggesting more types of housing?
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 04:17:49
    I think what we've been talking about is what we call missing middle, which is between townhomes and your roughly half an acre to quarter acre lot.
  • 04:18:02
    So these could be in the form of a cottage home that is smaller lot type, a smaller home footprint potentially, and fourplexes, duplexes, and allowing those in more places.
  • 04:18:19
    allowing those types of housing in more places.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:18:22
    Right.
  • 04:18:22
    I would think that the developers would be more interested in getting a four-plex, six-plex in a small area rather than just a cottage because that's not going to help solve our housing problem.
  • 04:18:35
    But the other may, you know, once again, more density.
  • 04:18:40
    And the development area, we're also talking about
  • 04:18:43
    well in the rural areas going out there with water and sewer that is hugely expensive and so in order to expand the development areas which we probably know it's going to be and you know maybe in the Avon area or in Scottsville 20 South 29 North in that area but you have to bring water and sewer out there that's very expensive I think one of the other things besides going higher in denser
  • 04:19:13
    to increase capacity so that we can have transportation.
  • 04:19:17
    Maybe the timing of our permits, i.e.
  • 04:19:20
    the length of time that our permits take for developers to do this.
  • 04:19:25
    I know that we lost RST because of the fact that everything took so long and there was so much pushback from constituents that they lost that, they couldn't get the federal funding, so we lost that whole project and they filled out.
  • 04:19:42
    to another company that is building fewer homes there.
  • 04:19:50
    I mean, I like what we're doing here.
  • 04:19:54
    I just think that we need to
  • 04:20:00
    focus on the density.
  • 04:20:02
    And maybe we as a group need to be able to have the fortitude, frankly, to be able to go with the developers because Supervisor Galloway is correct.
  • 04:20:14
    We have to wait and see what the developers give us.
  • 04:20:17
    They may not give us a lot.
  • 04:20:19
    And we can't say, well, you're proposing 50 units.
  • 04:20:22
    We want you to build 100 units.
  • 04:20:27
    You know, it's whatever they're going to build and then they come to us.
  • 04:20:31
    But maybe streamlining things would be one way to do it.
  • 04:20:34
    And then we go from there to see what happens in the future.
  • 04:20:40
    I think it is
  • 04:20:42
    I agree.
  • 04:20:43
    I don't want to do a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit everywhere, but I'm not sure we're there yet.
  • 04:20:50
    I know we have evidently, and it says that we have enough for about 10 more years.
  • 04:20:55
    Oh, you said 20 and?
  • 04:20:57
    10 to 20.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:20:57
    10 to 20.
  • 04:20:59
    10 to 20, depending on what is built, right?
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:21:00
    If we build cottages.
  • 04:21:06
    maybe two years, but if we build a lot of high density and closer together and maybe even the county taking advantage of some smaller parcels where you can build a fourplex or sixplex, something like that for affordable housing.
  • 04:21:26
    Those are my comments.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:21:27
    Thank you.
  • 04:21:28
    Thank you.
  • 04:21:29
    Chair, can I just think it's important, you know, and since it's work session mode, I don't mean to be breaking the order, but
  • 04:21:36
    you know, I think a couple of things as they come up like this.
  • 04:21:40
    It's not about a developer just going one extra floor.
  • 04:21:42
    If you take the expense on, you got to double up.
  • 04:21:45
    You can't go to seven, you got to go to 12.
  • 04:21:49
    And I don't know if that's the number.
  • 04:21:50
    So developers will have to help us help me understand that.
  • 04:21:53
    I just know that that's why they don't go beyond it.
  • 04:21:56
    And then I could just see the look on our faces if we had a 14 story, something coming in somewhere.
  • 04:22:04
    you would talk about political will.
  • 04:22:06
    So, but that's what we're talking about.
  • 04:22:08
    So when we're talking about more plexus and six plexus, we're not talking about just the new stuff that's limited.
  • 04:22:15
    We're talking about the Huntington Road, the Old Brook Road, Northfield in Jack Jewett, you know, taking these are two areas that are one unit per what it's half acre.
  • 04:22:30
    and allowing four to six or six to eight.
  • 04:22:33
    That's that missing middle.
  • 04:22:35
    So there might as well be put out there.
  • 04:22:37
    There are advocates calling on us in our development area to allow by right, not even at discretionary review, but by right to allow folks to go through like a Northfield.
  • 04:22:49
    and take half acre lots that have one house on it and all of a sudden allow six to eight units on that one particular lot.
  • 04:22:56
    We've seen what one I think come up in Crozet that little where the and it's happened over by right.
  • 04:23:02
    There's a little unit over on Penn Park Road that's happened where it's a smaller, smaller lot.
  • 04:23:08
    But that's what we're being advocates are pushing us forward to get the density to stay in that development area.
  • 04:23:14
    This is what the city did that they want us to do what the city is doing.
  • 04:23:16
    I don't know.
  • 04:23:17
    I'm not advocating or
  • 04:23:19
    making any comment on where I'm at on that.
  • 04:23:21
    But I just want us to be realistic here that this isn't about some empty lot somewhere that we're going to allow six to eight units on.
  • 04:23:28
    This is about saying to a neighborhood that you've got 40 houses sitting on half acre lots, and we're going to allow maybe 10 of them turn into six units mixed in with these ones on half acres.
  • 04:23:43
    and what are the ramifications of that we have to contend with that in this utilization and there's a political will and the other thing we what I'm thinking of with higher and denser is along 29 in the development everybody thinks that and everybody thinks we've got transit and walkability and we can get rid of cars in the urban ring and we don't yeah I feel like the purpose today was to look at the factors
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:24:11
    to monitor in the utilization review of the development areas and to look at the growth management policy.
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    And I'm hearing a lot of discussion about, you know, things we can do to increase density to affect us, but I'm not sure that we're answering the questions that are being asked of us in terms of looking at
  • 04:24:32
    these utilization review factors and whether or not they're the kinds of things that we would want to look at when we get to the point where we're going to start to say, okay, as part of this process, we need to find new solutions or to do other do things differently, perhaps.
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    So correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm feeling a little bit of disconnect between the discussion that's going on and what I thought we were doing.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 04:24:59
    Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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    I think that is something on point there.
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    And of course, what we'll be bringing you next is the development area land use chapter.
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    And you'll be able to review a strategy that broadly speaking looks to try and create more focus on several centers and takes advantage of the strategy of trying to do the route 29 and other
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    heavily parked areas to try and infill them.
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    And so it'll be interesting to get your own reaction.
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    Does that actually policy direction that you want to go in, or do you want to do something more dead?
  • 04:25:32
    Well, that'll be an interesting conversation.
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    But right now, yeah, it's basically we're giving you a series of factors to consider.
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    How well are we using the development area?
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    Is it building out?
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    Are we getting to the point where we need to think about doing something to change the boundaries of the development area?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:25:50
    Okay, I won't take us on tangents again, but in a development utilization review, if we're talking about the capacity,
  • 04:25:58
    then we need a baseline and you know it is a policy decision to allow redevelopment from R2 to R6 by right and if it's going to allow the development area to stay as it is longer then we need to know what that means.
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    So in the utilization review I think that analysis needs to be done.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:26:16
    That's exactly the kind of comment we need to be making is that what is it we need to do in our utilization view?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:26:22
    Well, I'm sorry, it took me 30 minutes to get there.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:26:25
    It's okay.
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    Supervisor Malek, I don't need to.
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    This is a great discussion, but I want to see if we can.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:26:30
    Thank you.
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    All right.
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    So I'm here looking at the red boxes so that I can answer your question.
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    And this is number five, the development area utilization review.
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    Yes.
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    Okay.
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    So first off, several people at the planning commission and other constituents have said F should be A to make sure that F is how well development areas be meeting the objectives should be the very first thing that we look at to go along with that.
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    The one of the obstacles that are preventing it.
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    So that's one.
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    I know that that
  • 04:27:10
    In the 1980s, 36 development units per acre came out of God knows where.
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    There was just somebody's bright idea.
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    Now it's treated like it's out of the Bible.
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    And there's no particular basis for it that I've found in all these years.
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    I will say that 19 units per acre is the only place in the Crozet area is the apartment complex in Altria.
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    and that's only 19 units per acre.
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    So if we're looking at 36, you are talking about six story apartment buildings everywhere.
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    And that's the fallacy of 36.
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    So I hope we will not get totally bent around the axle about 58% of something that doesn't necessarily have a good basis for anything.
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    Now, put that away, the Okay, comparison of demand.
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    So
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    I guess the concern we've had from several people who have written in is to track the use of the development area spaces rather than basing it on some 2022 model that may or may not have had real flaws in the capacity analysis.
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    If you're excluding, which I just learned by listening to the planning commission, excluding large tracks of property in the development area for even being considered,
  • 04:28:25
    for future capacity.
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    Then that is a problem for me and I don't understand the details of it, but I would like to know all these things that are being left out.
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    I mean, why are
  • 04:28:38
    in a potential growth limitations like the available land cost to development or environmental constraints are not considered.
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    They should be if we're going to have a valid capacity, if something's at 40% slope or has all sorts of other environmental issues, we shouldn't be considering it, but also
  • 04:29:00
    we should be understanding that things will redevelop if there's the right constraint to cause it to happen.
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    One of the reasons why we haven't gotten, I think, the kind of growth area development that people dreamed about for 20 years is because it was always a green field to go to that was so much easier.
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    10 or 15 years ago, a developer said to me, we are this close.
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    A little tax incentive would be able to get a parking deck
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    to be the same price, you know, be affordable to a developer if because the cost of land was going up so much.
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    Arlington County, they have underground parking under every grocery store because the land cost the fortune and they could they have to do that.
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    So our capacity discussion here was not taking into consideration these places with giant parking lots.
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    To me, that's a problem.
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    I don't understand what to do with it.
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    So
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    Okay, that's that question.
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    For C5C, having a map would really help me understand where those things are that are not being considered.
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    So introduction to the review.
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    Revising Future Land Use Designations, Making More Places, Office Flex, LIRD, Fairfax County is having a huge budget problem because they have tens of thousands of square feet of 10 story tall or 15 story tall office buildings and they are empty.
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    So we need to be careful about what we ask for in that.
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    And I found just from talking to developers who have said, I can't find any tenants for my commercial space.
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    I mean, North Point, they should be grateful that they didn't zoom through the process because at least they hadn't invested X millions of dollars in earth moving only to have it fall under the recession.
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    You know, they were in Greenfield status at least at that point, so it was not quite as bad as it could have been.
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    But even after all these years,
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    I mean, the five major rezonings that were done in four years between 2004 and 2008, none of them are finished because there's not enough demand for any of them to get finished.
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    Stonefield was in the gate first.
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    The owner died.
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    It took three or four years to get going again.
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    They are the closest to getting finished, but it's 22 years.
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    and when I was absolutely going to pieces about the approval for Honey Town Center in 2004, one of the senior staff people at the time said, don't worry, Anne, it'll be, you know, it's going to take 20 years to get done.
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    And I was looking at 60 acres of red mud being denuded of forest and nothing happening.
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    Those 60 acres are still there covered in red mud.
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    I mean, they may have weeds on them now, but that's, it's going to take a long time.
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    So that is a concern I'm trying to standpoint here.
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    Cost and vacancy trends.
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    also a long time ago.
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    There was a lot of uproar because an occasional warehouse company would go to some other county to locate to me.
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    We don't have to have every warehouse, every distribution company in Albemarle County.
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    And we shouldn't be having a nervous breakdown when some company decides, I mean, I was sorry to lose Patreon aluminum because they were actual manufacturers as opposed to a big warehouse.
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    But sometimes people who need bigger space and truck access for tractor trailers, et cetera, need to go with some other place.
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    So I hope that that is not something that is really driving our bus as far as this review.
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    that we have to have every business there ever was in here.
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    Our neighboring communities deserve some, too.
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    And I think it's really compelling.
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    Oh, I talked about that already.
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    The comments that several people have written in about using really valid
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    County, New York City, New York City, New York City,
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:33:27
    Yeah, I just want to say point of clarification because of the I keep advocating for the, you know, higher density and everything.
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    But I don't think that would be appropriate in Crozet.
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    I mainly in my mind, I didn't clarify that that it's appropriate on 29 profit being the northern point and then down to hydraulic being the southern point.
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    But in that area to me, that would be more that would be acceptable.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
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    Thank you.
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    Thank you.
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    So looking at what we have on the screen.
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    Thank you.
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    I agree with this.
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    I agree.
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    Having said that, I was in my mind thinking two years is a long time to wait.
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    I agree with and I was thinking, well, is a year would a year be better?
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    But I think the idea that Ned has is great out because that's what actually will
  • 04:34:22
    helped us figure out.
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    I mean, I didn't know for a long time that we were only approving at 58%.
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    It would be helpful to know.
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    So if we could start getting that information as we're looking at these projects, that would be great.
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    I was just trying to get a couple of these.
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    I assume that the goal with this is to quantify how well we're doing what we're trying to do.
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    So that gets to that issue.
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    The only other criteria I just wonder is we say we want the development area to have a high quality of life and be a place where people want to live.
  • 04:35:13
    Where are we getting at that in this?
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 04:35:17
    That's hard to measure.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:35:17
    And I understand it is, but it's about sidewalks.
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    I mean, I don't have hardly any sidewalks in my district.
  • 04:35:25
    Well, I have some, but I mean, all the new developments are getting them.
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    But going back to the Rio and the Jack Jewett district, because we're in the development area, we have some of the oldest, we don't have them.
  • 04:35:38
    That gets to quality of life.
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    And that's really easy to quantify.
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    It's looking at these older areas.
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    I don't have a problem with the focus on the new developments, but let's swing back occasionally and say, you know, maybe the people in Berkeley need a sidewalk or and we have done that occasionally.
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    But I'm just saying that to have that lens would be helpful and to look at quality of life in the older already built out neighborhoods to figure out how to get at that quality of life.
  • 04:36:09
    Because if we want people to live in the development area, we're going to have to make it attractive.
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    and what I see is people leaving because it's not there are no parks.
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    All the parks are out in the rural areas.
  • 04:36:24
    I mean, I'm just saying, I don't want to keep going on and on.
  • 04:36:28
    So trying to figure out how we get it, that piece as well would be helpful, at least from my viewpoint, for my Magisterial District and probably the Rio too, because we're... Mine too.
  • 04:36:40
    Yeah.
  • 04:36:40
    Yeah.
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    But I'm just saying that, yes, that's true.
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    There's so much out there.
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    I think about that as so new, but anyway.
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    So for the most part, yes, I agree with this.
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    And I will go back to
  • 04:36:53
    the idea that Julian had, and Ned's brought it up, that we have a parcel at Rivanna that is never going to be built out.
  • 04:37:05
    I mean, and it's been sitting there.
  • 04:37:07
    So if we can look at some hair or another, and maybe this is not the right place to take to talk about it, but trading land without expanding, but looking at where there are possibilities to do some trade where it's actually going to happen.
  • 04:37:23
    And I'll stop with that because we're really running low on time.
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    So okay.
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    I hope I can stick to my own advice.
  • 04:37:33
    I did agree completely with flipping A and F. I think that's a great idea because we all say order doesn't matter, don't pay any attention, but it does.
  • 04:37:43
    So I would flip that.
  • 04:37:45
    I had said that in my notes when I first read that.
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    Yeah.
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    Sorry.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:37:48
    That's fine.
  • 04:37:49
    I would actually have started with this page and said, yeah, I also agree with flipping F to A. I did not think of this as a priority list, but I think of F as an overarching how well and I would actually modify it to say how well development and redevelopment or at least give the recognize that we're not necessarily just talking about new development, but redevelopment or other improvements in the development areas meet the objectives of the COMP plan.
  • 04:38:18
    So, but from there, I do feel like some of this isn't looking at things in the way I think they should be looked at.
  • 04:38:25
    So I'm going to jump around a little bit.
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    Comparison to estimate, well, I'll go through it.
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    Comparison to estimate a demand for residential, non-residential land uses with estimated capacity.
  • 04:38:37
    I think I just agree basically with the comments being made, although I agree also with the comment made that the statement that potential growth limitations like the availability of land
  • 04:38:46
    across the development environmental constraints are not considered.
  • 04:38:49
    I'm not sure I understand why that's in there, and I don't necessarily think it helps us in this particular A. In B, the intensity density development through rezonings and special use permits compared with recommended density per future land use categories gets directly at this whole 58%, which I've been hearing about a lot.
  • 04:39:11
    I'm almost a newbie in the sense that that 58% is based upon time before I was even on the board and it is at this point is basically from I think it's 2015 to 2016 to 2021 so it's a five-year period and now I've been on almost three years and it's not been updated and so I feel like well I don't even know if it's still really
  • 04:39:34
    And so I really do agree strongly that we need to get this more often than what we've been getting.
  • 04:39:41
    We need to do it as part of this process, perhaps, and make sure.
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    every single time we're looking at something, are we on track with the recommended entities per the future land use categories?
  • 04:39:58
    So I do think it's important to track, and this comment has been made by several of the other organizations, track capacity,
  • 04:40:08
    as opposed to just looking at the build out analysis to actually track capacity.
  • 04:40:13
    And I'll go back to what I first learned when I got on the board was in that 58%, there was an extensive analysis of what is the capacity of the development area and what are the expected needs for the development area.
  • 04:40:29
    And it was on that basis that this board, I think, at that time said, you know, doesn't look like we need to expand the development area.
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    then it was always this caveat, but we're only doing 58%.
  • 04:40:38
    Well, I think that tracking the capacity is the way we should be looking at this, and then, you know, take that from there.
  • 04:40:48
    Remaining percentage of the development area is estimated to have capacity.
  • 04:40:51
    I really, I keep hearing this, oh, it's 4% of the 7% of the 1.5%.
  • 04:40:58
    There's an amount of land here, and that land is finite, and we can try to keep track of it.
  • 04:41:06
    And we don't have to look at numbers, percentages that don't necessarily mean anything to us when we could actually
  • 04:41:14
    have a better sense of what is the capacity, what are the undeveloped, how much acreage is there that's undeveloped and what kind of acreage is it?
  • 04:41:23
    So it's finer grains, perhaps, and maybe not as simple as talking about percentages, but I keep hearing the percentage and it sounds to me like it's a way to try to make an argument that doesn't necessarily tell me information about what's available out there.
  • 04:41:39
    So I'd rather see the remaining area looked at and the capacity rather than just looking at percentages.
  • 04:41:46
    I will make the comment that, you know, whether we do eventually, whether a future board increases the development area or not, it's not as if inevitability is something that you should expect necessarily if you were talking about the city of Charlottesville, now that we have an agreement.
  • 04:42:03
    They're not going to expand
  • 04:42:06
    their development area because they can't.
  • 04:42:08
    And so to us to say, well, you know, it's inevitable we're going to expand our development area is is saying something about what we think of the area around our development area and what we want to do with it.
  • 04:42:18
    If we were an island, we wouldn't have that choice either.
  • 04:42:21
    So I guess I want to keep that perspective when I look at it and say, OK, what can we do in the development area?
  • 04:42:28
    So ratio dwelling units being built in the RA compared to the DA is I
  • 04:42:35
    I worry about that one, too, is something that it just doesn't seem like the ratio is telling me enough.
  • 04:42:42
    Certainly one of the things that's looked at in the past analysis is the fact that, well, if we had more homes going up in the rural areas than development areas, then we're doing something wrong.
  • 04:42:52
    But that simple ratio may be not telling me what that is.
  • 04:42:56
    So I'm a little bit worried about D not being specific enough in terms of what is it when I'm trying to get out of that ratio?
  • 04:43:04
    What information am I trying to get out of whether people are building homes in the rural area or not?
  • 04:43:10
    I'm just confused by it, I guess, is what I'm saying.
  • 04:43:13
    I'm not sure it's wrong.
  • 04:43:14
    I just don't know fully.
  • 04:43:19
    So that's kind of my comments on this utilization review.
  • 04:43:23
    If we look at the previous slide, which was also something we were going over as part of this, this is, again, sort of, I see it as steps along the way to the number four, the dreaded number four, expansion of the development area.
  • 04:43:41
    and the rest of the state.
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    is a study of quantitative benchmarks followed by what else could be done to increase density in the development areas to otherwise allow for more homes in the development areas.
  • 04:44:13
    And a number of commenters have suggested that there perhaps should be a development area task force.
  • 04:44:19
    that would help us to parse what it is that we can use to use our tools better to be more efficient to make incentives necessary, you know, for for developing appropriately.
  • 04:44:34
    So so I would I would encourage adding an additional number there that that is allowing for feedback, allowing for us to to bring in, you know,
  • 04:44:45
    is going to have a harder look at what's going on before we jump to number four.
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    Does that help?
  • 04:44:53
    Yes.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:44:54
    Super fast.
  • 04:44:56
    So I want to support and pile on to the comments that Sakiyo made about quality of life because
  • 04:45:04
    without people's willingness to live in a place, everything will fail.
  • 04:45:09
    And so the other country, so that comes with the Canisardines thing.
  • 04:45:14
    And the more you pack in there, some people will leave and go out in the rural area or something because they need a little more elbow row or something.
  • 04:45:23
    But there also have been many early field neighbors who have moved to the urban area because they are older and their kids are in high school and they didn't want them driving 20 miles one way.
  • 04:45:31
    So it goes both ways.
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    The other conflict when we look at numbers only is we are talking about bulldozing our naturally occurring affordable houses.
  • 04:45:43
    One of my biggest panics for Crozet is all the blocks of houses which were built for the workmen for JB Barnes Lumber in the 40s.
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    Lots big enough to have a garden.
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    They totally surround Crozet Park and
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    The neighbors try very hard to watch and buy something when it comes on to pass to their children or something like that.
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    But when we lose those hundreds of units in favor of more blocks of giant houses, that is setting us back huge steps in affordable housing and losing entirely a whole segment of our population.
  • 04:46:22
    So I always have to temper looking at
  • 04:46:27
    Albemarle, Charlottesville,
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    County.
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    So, I think that if you look at infrastructure pre or post or planned or funded or something, I'm absolutely convinced would change people's discussion about any of this new stuff.
  • 04:47:01
    But some people, I mean, they feel their back is to the wall and their only option is to say, please don't do this to me anymore because I also, you know, I can't get out of my neighborhood for 30 minutes.
  • 04:47:10
    So, those are just things to leave on the table for future discussion.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:47:15
    and just to come in and because I appreciate that because Ned and I have a lot of older neighborhoods.
  • 04:47:21
    They are very affordable.
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    They're an acre.
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    They're an acre and a half.
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    And we need to be able to maintain those to be perfectly honest with you because they're they're valuable for what they are.
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    And I'm not saying we don't need density other places.
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    Yeah.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:47:36
    But that's just my opinion, right?
  • 04:47:38
    Where is the hard part?
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    And during the Crochet master plan, there was an element to try to have an overlay district to protect these older, the oldest neighborhoods in Crochet.
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    And then it didn't quite make it into the final draft, but it's needed in all of these districts around the core where we have a lot of older homes.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:47:52
    And going back, Jim, to just the previous slide, I don't want to push back, but so much.
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    But I do think there is one we're on the previous.
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    I think there is value in understanding.
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    there's value to knowing what is being built in the rural area.
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    I mean, it just because I drive out sometimes into my rural area and say, oh my goodness, what has happened to this road?
  • 04:48:26
    It is completely built up and I and it built up in what seems like to me a month.
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    That's really not.
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    That's an exaggeration, but I'm just saying that I don't want to not
  • 04:48:36
    know what is being built in the rural area.
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    Now, maybe you're not comparing it specifically to the development area.
  • 04:48:44
    Yeah, it's the ratio, but I don't want to take that out because if we're getting information, I want information on the rural area, too.
  • 04:48:51
    That's all I'm saying.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:48:51
    And then the months, the monthlies are quarterly, whatever.
  • 04:48:54
    It's really valuable.
  • 04:48:55
    Yeah.
  • 04:48:55
    Yeah.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:48:57
    Well, the one that I disagree with is the ratio.
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    So I don't mind knowing how many units are being built in the rural areas, the development areas, because we have 95% of the land in the rural areas.
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    So I think the ratio is going to be difficult to do.
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    But I don't care about the ratio, but I don't mind knowing how everything is being used.
  • 04:49:19
    Can you go to slide 18?
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    Because, yeah.
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    We, as a board, agreed that we wouldn't expand the development area boundaries.
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    So that tells me, if that's in there, that we are looking at expanding the development areas, which is going to really get everyone up to concern.
  • 04:49:40
    Maybe when, which I've always said when necessary, you know, we would look at it because I've told people eventually there will be
  • 04:49:51
    the development areas will be the boundaries will be moved eventually.
  • 04:49:56
    I don't know when we're going to be there right now we have 10 to 20 years being okay as far as in the development areas but I think to say that we'll get a lot of people we'll be getting a ton of emails about that and I'd rather say something like
  • 04:50:14
    when necessary, looking at expanding the development areas, but not expansionally.
  • 04:50:21
    That tells me that that's a finite thing that we're going to be looking at that.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:50:26
    Yeah, I tend to define that language just a little bit alarming.
  • 04:50:29
    But at the same time, I also heard, and I think it may be appropriate instead of saying expansion of the development areas, talk about changing development area boundaries, because it may be that a shift of development areas may be the more appropriate way in which we handle this initially.
  • 04:50:46
    If we recognize that, well, you know, really, this is the place that they should be developing and we know it's not going to happen.
  • 04:50:51
    That's a great idea.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:50:53
    and that did actually happen in Crozet, north of 240 along the Beaver Creek reservoir, sorry, to move to south to just north of 250, just beyond the trestle.
  • 04:51:02
    So that at least has happened before.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 04:51:06
    Just a few points.
  • 04:51:08
    We've invoked Villager Rivanna a few times and the folks I know out in Villager Rivanna would often be
  • 04:51:15
    So I just want to highlight that, right?
  • 04:51:17
    Like, what does that even mean?
  • 04:51:18
    I don't freaking know.
  • 04:51:19
    They've already got water and sewer.
  • 04:51:20
    Are we gonna dig about?
  • 04:51:40
    probably not.
  • 04:51:41
    Um, I do want to, uh, I think we've all piled on in support by want to add my voice on Supervisor Galway's idea of kind of an iterative process of this, of analyzing these six factors during the ZMA process, because we need to be reminded and currently some of us are often minding
  • 04:52:02
    reminding the public, reminding ourselves, reminding our peers every time that these come before us.
  • 04:52:05
    I think that'd be prudent.
  • 04:52:06
    The only caution I might add is another thing that I at least have tried to point out is how the whole reason that we rely on ZMAs and that frankly that's the posture in which most developments come before us is because our comprehensive plan, our zoning code, are discordant.
  • 04:52:27
    We are saying that we are planning for a density level that is not actually allocated in our own land use map and zoning code.
  • 04:52:35
    Ideally, as part of this conference planning process, that would be something that is amended, which means these opportunities we currently have to review these, I would say, ideally, are becoming, will become uncommon because we will not have people necessarily put in that posture as frequently because, frankly, those things would be by right because the fact that they're not by right
  • 04:52:56
    comes is an oversight almost in our in our process.
  • 04:53:02
    I don't want to throw stones on that, but that's just because we have updated our plan or comprehensive plan more recently than we've updated our zoning code.
  • 04:53:09
    It is an error that these things come to us in that posture.
  • 04:53:13
    And lastly, I do just want to throw my my kind of cards on the table with the ratio piece.
  • 04:53:20
    This is something I've spoken in favor of looking on before because to me it kind of captures something we say we are not analyzing, which is cost of development in the urban area.
  • 04:53:33
    We specifically highlight how that doesn't play a role in the the capacity analysis, but there is
  • 04:53:39
    I think intuitively, and maybe this isn't actually true, but the intuition, intuitive reasoning would suggest that if it is becoming more expensive to develop in the development area, then some of those development opportunities are going to squish out right is like a bowl that we're just squeezing the water out of and some people are gonna splash out and be like well
  • 04:53:58
    If it's going to be so expensive to develop my home or my community in this area, then maybe I should be developing a sub development or maybe I should be developing my personal mansion I've always wanted in the rural area, which is the worst of all possible worlds, right?
  • 04:54:12
    That hurts our affordability goals.
  • 04:54:14
    That hurts our climate goals.
  • 04:54:16
    That hurts our aquifers.
  • 04:54:18
    And that should be something that rings alarm bells.
  • 04:54:21
    The only thing I would add is
  • 04:54:23
    I think Chair Andrews gestured toward this.
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    That is my intuitive reasoning that that would happen and that would be a factor that we see.
  • 04:54:33
    I actually don't know if that's true.
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    I don't know if those people would then go into the rural area.
  • 04:54:38
    I don't know if that is a strong indicator.
  • 04:54:40
    It feels like it would be.
  • 04:54:42
    It feels like that would be happening.
  • 04:54:43
    That's certainly what I say as a political argument happens.
  • 04:54:47
    I don't have that data though.
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    until I know whether or not that is actually what's happening.
  • 04:54:53
    I would like to keep tracking it.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:54:56
    I don't understand because they're only going into the rural areas to build a single family home for the most part.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 04:55:03
    Correct.
  • 04:55:03
    But there's also, I mean, like drive out by IV, right?
  • 04:55:06
    We have subdevelopments of single family homes that are sufficiently on large enough plots.
  • 04:55:11
    And there's limitations we put on that, but that is still a development posture that things take in the rural area.
  • 04:55:18
    And we allow for it.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:55:22
    I do have one additional 18 you can go back because it is I'll stay on point here try to I think number two should be public investment infrastructure
  • 04:55:35
    seems to say roads, et cetera, things that we do, but we should either land needs to be under that or we need to add the land.
  • 04:55:42
    We just purchased 400 and some acres for economic development, purchasing land by the government to effectively or to try to attack affordable housing is a viable path forward.
  • 04:55:55
    We've never done it for economic development.
  • 04:55:57
    We're finally getting into that.
  • 04:55:59
    Stacey was here at the last board meeting with a piece of property we already own over by Monticello that we were going to explore as potentially putting housing on.
  • 04:56:07
    But there should probably, at least during this process, should consider if we should be purchasing land, a land bank, or to take the most expensive cost of the land out of the equation and use it.
  • 04:56:20
    I'm not saying I want to get into development business, but we can get land investment in Albemarle County is not a bad
  • 04:56:25
    is a low risk thing.
  • 04:56:27
    And it could help us accomplish where we're at, but that has CIP ramifications, etc.
  • 04:56:34
    When Jim was talking about, I forgot what you were talking about, but it dawned on me in the utilization review of the capacity of the development area, the development area, you know, the rural area has all this pressure on it from all these different avenues, you know, the scenic stuff, the ecosystems, the water quality.
  • 04:56:51
    But in the development area, the pressure is both residential and commercial.
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    and we want all the residential density and we want all the commercial density to exist there.
  • 04:56:59
    So we as Supervisor McKeown, I get nervous sometimes when we allowed commercial to revert to, I mean residential to commercial to revert to residential.
  • 04:57:10
    that project that got deferred on us at the last piece had a little piece of commercial, but it was taking a prime commercial piece off of 29 and going to convert it to residential.
  • 04:57:19
    In this utilization review, we need to make sure we're understanding not just the capacity in large of the development area, but residential capacity versus commercial capacity.
  • 04:57:30
    And then when the two compete against each other, we have a firm understanding of that.
  • 04:57:34
    is like the small area plan at Rio is not supposed to deliver us restaurants and steakhouses and and coffee shops.
  • 04:57:42
    It's supposed to deliver us a couple floors of businesses that are producing things with people living on top of it.
  • 04:57:48
    So that kind of mixed use piece I think is baked in here.
  • 04:57:51
    But when we start taking a track out of the development area that is
  • 04:57:56
    I know office buildings aren't being filled up right now, but that doesn't necessarily mean that will be the trend ongoing.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:58:06
    So that would suggest perhaps beefing up E to something that's more than just costs than vacancy trends, but somehow capture the capacity because we're not passing.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:58:15
    I think I I'm flagging this because I feel like in my remarks, I was focusing on residential units.
  • 04:58:20
    The capacity of commercial density, that pressure also has to be achieved in the development area.
  • 04:58:29
    Because we've got folks advocating now, while he left, I was going to pick on Rob for a minute when he talked about appropriate business in the rural area.
  • 04:58:38
    I don't know what appropriate is and who's defining that.
  • 04:58:41
    So I don't know how I feel about that word.
  • 04:58:44
    We are saying that the densest bit of commercial is supposed to exist in development areas.
  • 04:58:48
    We just have to make sure we understand.
  • 04:58:50
    I know I'm sure you'd have that.
  • 04:58:54
    It's pretty easier to track that than an application coming forward because we don't get as many commercial if they're doing it a buy rate commercial project.
  • 04:59:01
    But that would maybe fall into that development area, rural area, home piece where maybe that does come back on a different basis.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:59:07
    And you know, I can remember a day when we asked Roger to
  • 04:59:12
    give us his feedback on every rezoning regarding economic development so that an impact, right?
  • 04:59:20
    And that's kind of fallen away.
  • 04:59:22
    We just have stopped doing that.
  • 04:59:23
    But it gets to what you're talking about.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 04:59:24
    And then just anecdotally, on Northfield right now, some of the homes for sale, they're for sale for under 500,000.
  • 04:59:31
    So these are the half acre lots, which folks are saying that that land is all their bigger land.
  • 04:59:36
    There's only one unit on that half acre lot.
  • 04:59:38
    But to supervisor Malick and McKill's points, those are actually the most affordable houses in my Rio district.
  • 04:59:45
    Because if you get a townhouse in Belvedere along Rio Road, you're looking at six, seven, 800,000.
  • 04:59:51
    You go get a little half acre lot with a 2000 square foot home and you can get that for 490, 480 right now.
  • 04:59:58
    And Woodbrook's the same thing.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 04:59:59
    have a place for a garden.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:00:01
    Well, Woodbrook's not half acre, but still.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:00:03
    I'm going to make one more comment and then I'll look around.
  • 05:00:07
    But ratio of dwelling units and the RA compared to the DAs, I guess I just want to recognize that we're going to have discussions of the rural area.
  • 05:00:16
    And in those discussions, we will recognize that there are the two acre, the five acre, the 20 acre
  • 05:00:23
    building rights and whether those are working the way they're intended is an important discussion for us to have that time and will help us to understand whether somehow we're pushing things into the rural areas that we really didn't want to.
  • 05:00:38
    But I just want to make that comment because I think it's important to understand how things work in the rural areas.
  • 05:00:44
    They're not just squeezed out, but they have
  • 05:00:49
    restrictions that have been imposed by zoning and may or may not be revisited at some point.
  • 05:00:57
    Can we move on from here?
  • 05:00:58
    I know it's 6.15.
  • 05:00:59
    We're going to continue with this discussion as my expectation.
  • 05:01:04
    When we complete it, we may look to see if we have comments from the public, but then continue on so that we don't leave those people who might be waiting.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:01:13
    if you don't mind just prefacing that slightly.
  • 05:01:16
    So the next set of slides that you're going to be seeing is again information that we wanted to try and get in front of you all so that you'd sort of
  • 05:01:25
    be familiar with it because your constituents will be talking about it in public meetings.
  • 05:01:31
    We will be coming back on November 6 to talk about this stuff more in depth.
  • 05:01:37
    So to the extent that you all want to ask these questions, of course, we're happy to answer, but I just wanted to give you the idea that this is more introductory to that extent.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 05:01:49
    I was going to say, Mr. Chair, do we need to pause and see if anybody wants to give us public comments?
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:01:53
    Because I don't want people to wait another hour if they were
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:02:14
    Normally, we would have a couple of things before we'd actually get to the point.
  • 05:02:18
    So we would have the county executive report and then we would do the comments from the vice.
  • 05:02:24
    How much more do you think we will need?
  • 05:02:27
    I hate to just tell you what you think.
  • 05:02:28
    Probably maybe 10, 15 minutes presentation.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:02:35
    Oh, 10 or 15 minutes on your side.
• • SPEAKER_00
  • 05:02:37
    I did clarify.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:02:41
    I would recommend, I mean, if it's we just say 6 30, we pause and take public comment.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:02:46
    And if anybody signed up, I think that if that can be something that we could line up for 6 30, we should try to do that.
  • 05:02:52
    Thank you.
  • 05:02:52
    I think that's reasonable for people who would ordinarily come at six o'clock expecting to comment by 6 30.
  • 05:02:59
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:03:01
    Sure.
  • 05:03:02
    So we'll take a look at the two major land use tools that influence the effectiveness of the growth management policy.
  • 05:03:10
    Those are future land use categories and how they're applied to the future land use map, and then the activity center activity and employment centers.
  • 05:03:21
    Other tools will be included in the COMP plan recommendations, like updates to the zoning ordinance for development and development areas and encouraging the use of
  • 05:03:31
    conservation easements in the rural area.
  • 05:03:34
    We brought these concepts to you last fall.
  • 05:03:37
    We'd like to preview the consolidated land use categories, MAP and activity centers, since as Michael mentioned, these will be presented to the public on October 30th.
  • 05:03:53
    The land use categories map and activity centers support the objectives of the growth management policy.
  • 05:03:59
    They're also intended to foster the desired features of the development areas, which are based on best practices and community input and include housing and transportation choices, a variety of land uses, walkable neighborhoods and parks and amenities.
  • 05:04:18
    Future land use categories provide recommendations for future land uses and the general form and scale of future development.
  • 05:04:26
    They're used during the review process for rezoning and special use permits as part of the consistency with the comprehensive plan review.
  • 05:04:36
    Future land use categories are applied to a future land use map
  • 05:04:40
    with different colors for each category.
  • 05:04:42
    The uses are recommendations for development.
  • 05:04:46
    They are different from zoning districts and the zoning ordinance which has requirements for development that must be followed.
  • 05:04:55
    More definition of these tools will be brought to your next meeting and we will end up treating development review of projects a little bit differently depending on whether they are in an activity center or not.
  • 05:05:12
    That activity center will function as an overlay.
  • 05:05:16
    I'll get more into that in a moment.
  • 05:05:21
    The current comprehensive plan has over 20 land use categories across five area plans.
  • 05:05:28
    The area plans are places 29 Southern and Western, Pantops, Crozet, and the village of Rivanna.
  • 05:05:37
    Many of these categories are very similar, but with slightly different names and recommendations.
  • 05:05:43
    The overlap in number of categories can make administrative and administration and clarity challenging.
  • 05:05:51
    One of the anticipated outcomes of AC44 is having a consolidated and updated set of standard and future land use categories.
  • 05:06:01
    that are applied across the development areas in a matching approach.
  • 05:06:06
    This is intended to standardize the designation of categories on the future land use map and provide needed clarity.
  • 05:06:13
    The 11 future land use categories can be organized into the following general sections, primarily residential, mixed use, commercial unemployment, and industrial and public uses.
  • 05:06:31
    This map shows how the proposed land use categories, the 11 standard, as well as the three legacy categories are applied across the development areas.
  • 05:06:44
    With AC 44, the updated land use categories have been applied in a matching approach, as I mentioned.
  • 05:06:50
    For example, properties that are currently designated urban residential remain urban residential.
  • 05:06:57
    More significant changes such as changing a property from urban residential to community mixed use would typically be done during an area plan update.
  • 05:07:09
    This is the first graph that we have shared of an updated future land use map.
  • 05:07:15
    In phase two, we shared the actual categories.
  • 05:07:20
    Your packet includes detailed descriptions for each future land use category and how the current master plan designations translate and apply to the proposed future land use map.
  • 05:07:33
    We'll talk more about these designations and categories in our next work session in two weeks.
  • 05:07:42
    Activity Centers are places that have a variety of businesses, services, and housing options, either now or in the future.
  • 05:07:51
    They help identify core areas of higher intensity mixed use development, which also helps prioritize infrastructure projects and investments.
  • 05:08:03
    Each each
  • 05:08:06
    Activity Center acts like a land use overlay providing additional guidance for development along with the underlying future land use categories.
  • 05:08:17
    Currently, there are 30 draft centers proposed with AC44.
  • 05:08:23
    In previous area plans, there were as many as 50, so we have consolidated those.
  • 05:08:29
    Many of these centers were small and not currently or anticipated to be mixed use.
  • 05:08:37
    This consolidated set of centers helps focus development and public projects.
  • 05:08:43
    Centers were identified based on existing development patterns, known plan development projects, recommendations in the area plans, and estimates for current and future job and housing totals.
  • 05:09:01
    There are four center place types, and starting with the most dense and intense, to the least, they are regional, which are shown here in red.
  • 05:09:13
    for example at Rio 29.
  • 05:09:18
    A community center which is shown in blue and for example could be Hillsdale Drive, the parallels highway 29 to the west.
  • 05:09:29
    An employment center shown in purple, such as Centura, Martha Jefferson Hospital and Pantops and local, which is in orange,
  • 05:09:41
    that could be identified as Southwood.
  • 05:09:44
    Regional centers are where we will initially focus our public investment and services, increase transportation options, and increase our residential density and commercial intensity.
  • 05:09:57
    These circles and ovals that you see on this map will be refined as part of an area planning process to take place in the future.
  • 05:10:03
    In your packets is a centers quick guide that gets into the details of the expected features of each type of activity or employment center.
  • 05:10:20
    This last slide really is about our next steps and when we'll be seeing you next.
  • 05:10:26
    Currently in the blue, we're in the blue box, October 16th, talking about the growth management policy.
  • 05:10:33
    We'll be going to a joint CAC meeting on the 30th here in Lane Auditorium.
  • 05:10:42
    We will then go back to the PC in October on the 22nd to talk about the land use tools and policy in more detail and be back in front of you on November 6th.
  • 05:10:57
    We will be looking at specifically the goals, objectives and actions for the development area land use in mid to late November and moving into the rural area land use policy discussion
  • 05:11:12
    starting mid-November to mid-December.
  • 05:11:18
    We are still discussing the date for the board meeting for the rural area just because of the holiday break and where that may fall.
  • 05:11:30
    With that, I am finished.
  • 05:11:32
    I'll leave this slide up.
  • 05:11:34
    I believe that we answered these questions, but we'll take questions on land use and or activity centers.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:11:41
    Thank you.
  • 05:11:43
    Yeah, we have somewhat looked at these questions, but we also have these additional slides that we've gone through.
  • 05:11:48
    So I'll look for comments.
  • 05:11:50
    Sure.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 05:11:51
    And I recognize I have four minutes before we jump.
  • 05:11:54
    But I don't intend to have many questions.
  • 05:11:58
    Understanding this bit is a preview and not the one that we're supposed to actually be sinking our teeth into.
  • 05:12:02
    I will begin just by saying, I think it should stir something in us when we look at this notional future land use map.
  • 05:12:12
    As we continue to say, we're going to build up, we're going to build densely in order to preserve our rural area.
  • 05:12:18
    and then we look and boy howdy there's a lot of yellow, right?
  • 05:12:21
    It is, it is evocative, it should be frankly chilling as we kind of continue to say this and I think we need to think hard about how we're actually going to make use of that space and whether or not that involves changes to the future land use map that do encourage greater density in a broader area of locations, recognizing that the R1 that we have in there
  • 05:12:44
    is mostly already developed.
  • 05:12:46
    Whether or not that means looking at ways to utilize things that don't necessarily touch the future land use map, but expand what kind of uses we might find acceptable, such as buy-right accessory uses might be something that we have to actually look into quite seriously, given how much yellow, how much already existing development, 93% or whatever, has already been ground up.
  • 05:13:10
    So I would just suggest that.
  • 05:13:12
    I do like the center's framework as a way for us to think through how we're going to structure our own planning and development resources.
  • 05:13:24
    I think that's helpful.
  • 05:13:25
    That being said, I will want to know a lot more about what that is actually going to entail as we get a little closer, whether or not that's going to have any kinds of overlay plans, whether or not that's going to have any kind of restrictions or expectations that we're going to put on landowners in those areas.
  • 05:13:41
    and frankly once we have a better sense of what the geometries of those areas are I'm sure we will have a lot of frankly like quite like thief like arguments over where we should draw those lines because that's going to be we we all agree our urban areas need
  • 05:14:00
    amenities.
  • 05:14:00
    And those amenities need to include things like sidewalks.
  • 05:14:03
    But when we start saying, well, that means there's are going to have to be limited to local centers.
  • 05:14:08
    Local centers are where we're going to prioritize sidewalks.
  • 05:14:10
    I can see that being the intuitive step we take with what a local center means.
  • 05:14:15
    I think we're going to probably get very deep in the weeds and back and forth as to how we draw those borders.
  • 05:14:20
    Because that, I mean, if we, for those of us who paid more attention during Charlottesville's back and forth on their flume,
  • 05:14:27
    The flume alone, which included their center type things, I think they went over over a year of back and forth just negotiating those individual boundaries because individual planning commissioners, individual boards of members of their city council had very strong opinions about what street line you drew things on.
  • 05:14:48
    And when that starts to mean who's going to get a sidewalk next, is it going to be south?
  • 05:14:52
    What is it going to be?
  • 05:14:53
    Fifth and Avon, is it going to be
  • 05:14:56
    Old Lynchburg Road, like that starts to matter.
  • 05:14:59
    So I anticipate that while I think this is a good framework, I think it makes sense with our limited resources.
  • 05:15:05
    That's how we have to think about it.
  • 05:15:06
    I just recognize I'm going to have a lot more thoughts about it once I have a little bit more texture on it.
  • 05:15:11
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:15:12
    Thank you.
  • 05:15:14
    With that, we'll look to the clerk to see if we have anyone signed up.
  • 05:15:20
    We don't have anyone here.
  • 05:15:22
    We will continue and consider that a close of the public matters from the public.
• • Andy Herrick
  • 05:15:30
    I don't know whether there might be anybody in the in person today that might want to speak.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:15:36
    Yeah, the sign up is if anyone here is interested in the sign up sheet.
  • 05:15:40
    Thank you.
  • 05:15:41
    Then we will continue through our order.
  • 05:15:43
    Supervisor Gallo.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:15:45
    So just so I understand the activity centers are kind of like our Rio's small area plan.
  • 05:15:50
    When you say it's an overlay, does it work in the same way that meaning if I redevelop in the small area plan, I've got a voluntary overlay, it's catalog and approach because I can just pre-approved by ARB and all of that stuff.
  • 05:16:08
    These activity center overlays, what like what
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:16:11
    Well, first of all, remember the comp plan is a guide, not a regulatory vehicle.
  • 05:16:16
    So unlike the zoning ordinance, we had the form-based code and it became regulatory and a rule of something like this.
  • 05:16:22
    The intent of these things basically is to try and help us focus our resources.
  • 05:16:27
    And it's hierarchical also in nature.
  • 05:16:30
    So the regional centers, there's fewer of them.
  • 05:16:33
    They tend to be places we might see a lot of redevelopment.
  • 05:16:37
    And I think what we're trying to do with the activity centers is
  • 05:16:41
    County.
  • 05:16:41
    It's sort of the underlying land uses categories, isn't it?
  • 05:16:43
    They run in a range.
  • 05:16:44
    So we would like to see people go out of the higher density into that range if you're coming in a rezoning and you're at a
  • 05:16:52
    We have an activity center there.
  • 05:16:53
    We're looking for you to try to get the higher end of that range of business with density, commercial intensity.
  • 05:17:01
    It also serves as a guide for the public sector's investments in these, in our development area, helps us sort of form where we might be thinking about
  • 05:17:14
    Transportation investments, whether they are sidewalks in these centers or connections in between them, whether it's transit or bike.
  • 05:17:24
    And finally, I think that it's the idea of trying to create some walkable nodes within a development area that is we need to have some place to really start to to create a walkable dense, intense area and
  • 05:17:41
    by having some of these hierarchical things about regional ones, being in places we are going to look for our highest and most density.
  • 05:17:48
    Those are probably areas that we'll probably try to seek to, you know, could join our public investments and future redevelopment efforts to try and really create an area for more residential development and intensity.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:18:05
    I think I follow.
  • 05:18:07
    I won't get dived down into this, but it's something I have to put my MPO or
  • 05:18:11
    had on.
  • 05:18:12
    It's like transit when they talk activity center and you're thinking lines and stuff.
  • 05:18:16
    That's how I'm hearing you describe it.
  • 05:18:19
    But when I see on the what you, you know, the document that we have in our packet, it says act like a land juice overlay to encourage more mixed use and higher intensity development.
  • 05:18:31
    The voluntary overlay of the smaller area plan is designed that if you opt into it, you benefit from the
  • 05:18:40
    County.
  • 05:18:40
    So basically the runway of the catalog, if you meet this, it's approved.
  • 05:18:44
    So I want to make sure I'll just throw this out there.
  • 05:18:47
    I'm not looking for a response right now.
  • 05:18:49
    I don't want to confuse activity centers for those type of overlays or maybe I do.
  • 05:18:54
    Maybe we want these overlays.
  • 05:18:56
    If we're going to use the word encourage more mixed use and higher use development, then it should be more than just defining
  • 05:19:03
    the area and the overlay should bring forward something that is the incentive like the Small Area Plan does.
  • 05:19:10
    Is my logic tracking here?
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:19:14
    I think your logic is.
  • 05:19:15
    Obviously, the Small Area Plan, our intent is to not define the exact boundaries.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:19:20
    I don't want to get into a Small Area Plan process like all these activities.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:19:24
    We get into that, yeah.
  • 05:19:25
    We would get into the Small Area Plan.
  • 05:19:26
    That would be the time to define the boundary and that the intent of the regional center
  • 05:19:32
    for example, would be that.
  • 05:19:36
    Yeah, if you're in that area, we're counties looking for the development community to try and get as as much density.
  • 05:19:44
    We're supporting and encouraging that in those areas.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:19:46
    I just would think process wise, it's if the activity center should, if it's encouraging a land use up whatever the word is, then it should give them in the process to get there some some some grease lanes, if you would.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:20:02
    and potentially they do become additional form-based code centers.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:20:08
    There you go.
  • 05:20:09
    That's what I'm open for.
  • 05:20:10
    Okay, good.
  • 05:20:12
    Thank you.
  • 05:20:14
    I'm just going to pick on the map, the land use map and it's, I'm sorry, I mean, which map, the map, that map.
  • 05:20:22
    Can we not use blue for anything but water?
  • 05:20:26
    Like this institutional and then I'm seeing like,
  • 05:20:29
    Oh, wait, that's the reservoir.
  • 05:20:30
    That's not some institutional land.
  • 05:20:33
    That's water because blue on a map is water.
  • 05:20:36
    Could we just please not for my own sake of looking at this?
  • 05:20:43
    I was like, wow, we got a lot more water.
  • 05:20:44
    It ran out of colors.
  • 05:20:45
    Well, I get that, but blue is for water.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:20:49
    There are some standard colors that we use for specific land uses.
  • 05:20:54
    We can definitely work on having a greater difference between the two blues.
  • 05:21:01
    We thought we were getting there.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:21:03
    I'm not going to die on this hill, but blue is water.
  • 05:21:10
    identifying the recreation and open space.
  • 05:21:13
    Just tell me what's behind that based on and I'm looking at my district and what these green areas are.
  • 05:21:22
    So you tell me what recreation and open space means for this so that I know if my note, if I want to say my note or not.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:21:31
    I'm going to look to maybe Tori or Michael for some help on the recreation and open space discussion.
  • 05:21:39
    I know that in our previous plans, it was part of the green systems.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:21:47
    We've got open space or green areas generally.
  • 05:21:51
    But when I see a land use map that we're planning, you've got areas marked that we have no control over.
  • 05:21:59
    And it makes it look like the development area has all this wonderful open green space that people can enjoy.
  • 05:22:04
    That's soccer.
  • 05:22:07
    and it used to be, I forget what the new soccer group is up there.
  • 05:22:12
    It used to be Monu, but it's something else now.
  • 05:22:15
    Down here, as you go down the river, you've got
  • 05:22:18
    I think private property than Dunlora, Dunlora.
  • 05:22:21
    Now the Rivanna Trail goes along that, but the Rivanna Trail had to get permission from the Dunlora HOA to be able to use that.
  • 05:22:27
    So this really skews, like this is going to be in our plan, future land use map.
  • 05:22:33
    If I came here and it was a stranger, I'd be like, wow, look at all that great open green space available to me in the development area.
  • 05:22:39
    They can't walk in it.
  • 05:22:41
    The Belvedere area might pull in because I think some of that's going to convey over to help with our trail system.
  • 05:22:47
    But I'm questioning whether or not how that recreation and open space should be defined.
  • 05:22:52
    And then, like, where's our, like, the, the Riverside Park on the west side of 29, between the, you know, 29 of the dams, not is white.
  • 05:23:05
    So is Charlotte Humphries?
  • 05:23:08
    I'm assuming that's what this green.
  • 05:23:09
    I think that may be Charlotte Humphries, but it's that green area.
  • 05:23:14
    It's hard for me.
  • 05:23:15
    So what I'm saying is like when I look and maybe I'm confusing public part, maybe that's institutional, maybe it should be blue.
  • 05:23:25
    But I think for purposes of earlier conversations of trying to get some actual park like amenities in the development area,
  • 05:23:34
    this, it may be appropriately marked somewhere like Darden Tau, I think is marked green, right?
  • 05:23:40
    Yeah.
  • 05:23:40
    Yeah.
  • 05:23:41
    So, but Darden Tau is not what's behind Dunlora and in Saka and all of that.
  • 05:23:46
    So I think that needs to be cleaned up in my opinion.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 05:23:50
    just for reference versus private in a way.
  • 05:23:53
    Yeah.
  • 05:23:55
    Public access.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:23:57
    I mean, we've got a lot of I mean, I get it.
  • 05:23:59
    The yellow is private.
  • 05:24:00
    The or I mean, there's a lot of private here.
  • 05:24:02
    I'm just saying when when I see recreation and open space in a government document, it seems to me to be suggesting that that's under our control and we're providing that to the public.
  • 05:24:11
    We're not.
  • 05:24:12
    And where we are, we should identify that.
• • Michael BarnesDirector of Planning
  • 05:24:15
    In your previous planning exercises, the decisions made to these areas that were the flood plains or critical slopes got pulled into this green space.
  • 05:24:25
    So you'll have parcels there that some of that includes just critical slope areas or HOA open space areas or flood plains.
  • 05:24:37
    And so it's not and it does also include some of your parks.
  • 05:24:40
    So your point is well taken.
  • 05:24:43
    But that was it was a decision made on the previous plans.
  • 05:24:46
    And what we're trying to do here is create some fidelity with previous mapping exercises that went forward.
  • 05:24:52
    We're not really trying to change too much of the land use planning, per se, from the previous plans descriptions, maybe, and the keys and all of that, I guess.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:25:03
    I just don't want folks to misconstrue what our public
  • 05:25:07
    and maybe they wouldn't go here for that anyway.
  • 05:25:08
    They'd go to a public park map and look up what their public park maps are.
  • 05:25:12
    I'm just throwing it out.
  • 05:25:15
    We'll maybe track that a little bit.
  • 05:25:18
    And then on your other map with the circles, which I think are defining the activity centers and the employment centers.
  • 05:25:30
    I'm I'm guess I mean obviously the little circles that the demarcations are not specific to the property boundaries.
• • SPEAKER_05
  • 05:25:37
    Correct.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:25:41
    North.
  • 05:25:46
    I feel like number three is Holly Mead Town Center, whereas in North Fork is number two.
  • 05:25:53
    I heard you have this discussion with about like where to put the airport.
  • 05:26:00
    The point I want to make is for North Fork, which is under Employment Center, but they just got their rezoning that that's going to become like a Holly Mead, well, hopefully not like a Holly Mead Town Center, it's going to have residential and other type of employment there.
  • 05:26:19
    But it's not just going to be an employment center.
  • 05:26:22
    So I just wonder if I would I'm just looking at that labeling as all we can track that.
  • 05:26:28
    I'm not you don't respond.
  • 05:26:29
    I think that moving forward that if there we have a place like North Point you have under community center.
  • 05:26:36
    North the North Fork rezoning is similar I think in nature to North Point because you got residential and some commercial elements to it, although they're not shooting for stores and restaurants.
  • 05:26:48
    I'm just I'm just questioning that that labeling there.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:26:53
    They're a consideration for the predominance.
  • 05:26:56
    So North Fork has 90% employment and 10% residential.
  • 05:27:00
    And maybe that's something to think about the way you describe something.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:04
    Oh, I mean, when it builds out, I don't know if that'll be the percentage.
  • 05:27:07
    We approve 1500 units out there.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:09
    Yeah, but there's no new acreage taken away from the employment center, which is five times bigger.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:14
    But it's also, but I mean, you would lose the residential aspect of it, I guess.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:20
    Northport is residential and then with the school going in there also.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:24
    I'm just coming out.
  • 05:27:26
    I mean, I'm not saying, I don't know, maybe it should be what it is now.
  • 05:27:28
    I'm just calling it out for further scrutiny based on the rezoning that was allowed and that it, I'll let, yeah, I'm done.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:27:40
    could you go to the two questions that you wanted an answer to these I think we've answered so I approve okay I'm done thank you I think I have belabored the concerns I have with the various questions and I'm all set thank you very much
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:28:03
    Thank you.
  • 05:28:04
    Just a really quick question, because I know we'll get into more detail about this.
  • 05:28:08
    But if you go to page 22, I'm already receiving emails from concerned citizens because they're saying that there is no designation here on the four residential one and two units per acre.
  • 05:28:29
    this is all for new.
  • 05:28:31
    So that my respite, I just want people not to be if they're living in and they think they're going to be rezoned out.
  • 05:28:39
    This is new development.
  • 05:28:44
    Well, this is a new zoning.
  • 05:28:45
    I'm sorry.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:28:46
    Correct.
  • 05:28:46
    Wrong word.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:28:47
    This is land use.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:28:48
    Yeah.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:28:49
    So this is not going to, we're not going to go back and retrofit some of the zoning that we currently have.
• • SPEAKER_03
  • 05:28:57
    Correct.
  • 05:28:58
    Not with this couple.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:28:59
    That's what, not at this time.
  • 05:29:01
    Correct.
  • 05:29:01
    That's the answer to their question.
  • 05:29:03
    Yes.
  • 05:29:03
    Thank you.
  • 05:29:03
    I just want to confirm that I'm right on that.
  • 05:29:05
    Yeah.
  • 05:29:06
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:08
    Thank you.
  • 05:29:09
    I guess I would clarify though to say that this is a comprehensive plan and therefore if somebody comes in with a proposal to rezone, we'll look at the comprehensive plan and say, oh, well, maybe we'll rezone that lot to whatever.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:20
    They're thinking they're being sure.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:22
    We're not rezoning at this point we're talking about.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:25
    I think to be honest with you, Jim, they're thinking about the city.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:28
    Right.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:28
    And what do you mean in the city?
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:30
    Future land use map.
  • 05:29:31
    Immediately use that whole doc.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:34
    Difference scenario.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:29:35
    Right.
  • 05:29:36
    And I do think that when it comes to the maps, if we look at the next slide, I guess, the slides, I guess, further, there, that one, and then the next one, there, that, you know,
  • 05:29:49
    And this is, I guess, the answer that I'm attempting to, Supervisor Galway's question about what we're calling these centers, employment centers, regional centers.
  • 05:29:59
    I mean, only employment center does somehow exclude the idea of residents, but I don't think any of these were ever intended to be exclusive, but just simply designations, and they're not boundaries.
  • 05:30:09
    They're not like the other map.
  • 05:30:12
    in that they're not telling us what the land use is parcel by parcel.
  • 05:30:16
    They're just simply saying that this is an area where we expect a lot of employment, but there also will be a lot of people living.
  • 05:30:22
    I think that the employment centers might get confusing if there's residences in there, but in the others, there's kind of a mix of use anyway.
  • 05:30:33
    I guess I just
  • 05:30:35
    didn't see the two maps as saying the same sorts of things with respect to the land uses.
  • 05:30:44
    Are there any other additional comments, questions?
  • 05:30:50
    I think we're good.
• • SPEAKER_09
  • 05:30:51
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:30:52
    Thank you.
  • 05:30:53
    Broadly has residential.
  • 05:30:54
    Very helpful discussion, I think.
  • 05:30:57
    I appreciate the effort and appreciate your patience with us.
  • 05:31:03
    had years of practice.
  • 05:31:06
    We live for.
  • 05:31:07
    Now you get to summarize what we said to the planning commission.
  • 05:31:10
    That's right.
  • 05:31:11
    Good luck.
  • 05:31:12
    Well, they can listen.
  • 05:31:13
    They can listen to our meeting.
  • 05:31:16
    All right.
  • 05:31:18
    Now, board, we have, we have just a few things before we go into closed session.
  • 05:31:27
    So I think we can just continue on and then take a break
• • Jeff Richardson
  • 05:31:34
    Let me make a suggestion, Mr. Chair.
  • 05:31:37
    We've got one outside guest tonight that we've brought for introduction to the board.
  • 05:31:43
    And my suggestion to you would be that you allow me to invite
  • 05:31:49
    our guest up and it's a great transition with what the discussion has been.
  • 05:31:53
    And then the board may want to take a break, go to closed session and you and I can talk about whether we do not report later tonight or either at a later board meeting.
  • 05:32:05
    OK, all it is is just the county execs report and I'm checking in on some data and some information on the activities of the county.
  • 05:32:12
    But it's not mission critical that we do that at this point or even this evening, depending on the board's appetite.
  • 05:32:19
    Once we come out of closed session, but Mr. Lunsford is here.
  • 05:32:23
    He's here and welcome.
  • 05:32:25
    I would love to invite Quinn Lunsford forward.
  • 05:32:28
    Quinn is the newly appointed director of the Albemarle County Service Authority.
  • 05:32:33
    And I thought it would be a wonderful opportunity for Quinn to come before the board this evening.
  • 05:32:39
    And he's been in a position for several months.
  • 05:32:42
    He reached out to Ms.
  • 05:32:43
    Wall, myself and county staff, Ms.
  • 05:32:45
    Florida, who was just with us and said, I'd love to talk to county staff in my new role and understand more about how we work together with the county.
  • 05:32:55
    and then what we did not know is by getting him here tonight I think he's been with us about an hour he got an opportunity to look at the board talk about the development areas and the comp plan and I think there's a real strong connection with what his team does every day with with water throughout our county so Quinn welcome to the county and we'd love to have you talk a little bit about your experience and what you've been doing in your new role so thank you sir
• • SPEAKER_01
  • 05:33:25
    Welcome.
  • 05:33:25
    Thank you for your patience.
  • 05:33:26
    Thank you very much for having me.
  • 05:33:30
    So I started with the service authority in 2014 as the director of finance that I've served under.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:33:36
    I'm sorry.
• • SPEAKER_01
  • 05:33:39
    I served under Gary O'Connell during his tenure.
  • 05:33:42
    He served the service authority for about 15 years.
  • 05:33:46
    And his mantra was safe, clean, reliable water.
  • 05:33:49
    I can assure you that we're going to continue that.
  • 05:33:53
    We are going to work towards being a world-class utility.
  • 05:33:58
    And by that, I mean, we continue to provide incredibly clean and incredibly reliable service, but we further emphasize how we interact with customers, how we meet their needs, and how we work collaboratively with the community, with the county, with county staff, with board of supervisors, our board,
  • 05:34:20
    Water and Sewer Authority as well as the city.
  • 05:34:24
    So we see ourselves as a contributing member to you and we want to make sure that we provide the necessary information for the work that you all do.
  • 05:34:36
    Our team of 83 at the service authority is incredibly passionate about the service that they provide.
  • 05:34:45
    They're proud of the work that they do and we're proud of
  • 05:34:49
    of what we're able to do in the community.
  • 05:34:51
    So this opportunity is for me to hopefully put a face with a name and an email.
  • 05:34:58
    Please don't hesitate to contact me with any questions from your constituents or from a county perspective.
  • 05:35:06
    And we look to continue a really good relationship with the county.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:13
    Thank you.
  • 05:35:14
    or do we have any additional comments or questions from Mr. Pruitt, Mr. Goway.
  • 05:35:20
    Thank you.
  • 05:35:21
    Anyone else?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:22
    Sorry, I had to sit through that.
  • 05:35:24
    That was good.
  • 05:35:25
    I'm glad that we've had an internal candidate that knows the system and coming over.
  • 05:35:29
    So good luck, sir.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:31
    Thank you.
  • 05:35:31
    Thank you.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:33
    Two gallons and a half for a penny is a really big deal.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:36
    Appreciate it.
  • 05:35:40
    Richardson.
  • 05:35:41
    I think you're welcome to go ahead with the county executive report if you have one and the Abbey's here so.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:35:55
    This is your moment to stretch.
• • Jeff Richardson
  • 05:35:59
    Ford, thank you.
  • 05:36:00
    This is the October County Executives Report.
  • 05:36:03
    Ms.
  • 05:36:04
    Stump, as always, does a fantastic job of working with our departments to put what I hope you will find meaningful information in front of you this evening.
  • 05:36:11
    And as Abby always does after this board meeting is completed, she will send, she will package and send this report out to all of the board members along with the talking points.
  • 05:36:20
    If you have CAC meetings, if you have meetings in the community and you need to
  • 05:36:27
    Bore this information to push out to the community.
  • 05:36:30
    We certainly hope you will.
  • 05:36:31
    Okay, so we'll go first off and talk about fire prevention week recap to recognize the fire prevention week.
  • 05:36:39
    That's October 6 through 12.
  • 05:36:40
    Fire and Rescue Department launched a county wide campaign to share prevention tips and engage with our community members throughout the week.
  • 05:36:48
    Volunteer and career members hosted open houses and fire stations.
  • 05:36:52
    They set up pop-up tables at retail locations.
  • 05:36:55
    They organized two large community events, one at Fifth Street Station and one at the Holly Mead Town Center.
  • 05:37:02
    Through events, our members contacted, we connected with over 1,800 community members.
  • 05:37:09
    And in this particular photo, Fire Prevention Week prompted this family
  • 05:37:14
    to develop an escape plan for their home, complete with color coded routes.
  • 05:37:19
    And you know, this is fun, but it's also a part of being safe with families and with young kids.
  • 05:37:24
    And so 1800 community members were connected to, all right?
  • 05:37:30
    and Ms.
  • 05:37:31
    Schifflet was here for a good part of this evening as well as Mr. Jacob Sumner.
  • 05:37:35
    Our county staff recently attended the ICMA conference in Pittsburgh.
  • 05:37:39
    I gave the board a preview that we would be up there for several days.
  • 05:37:42
    Dr. Bailey earlier this evening referenced her work that she did with Christie and Jacob where thousands of local government management professionals were there for about four days.
  • 05:37:53
    Jacob and Christy along with Dr. Bailey gave a presentation titled, Harnessing the Strengths of the Local Economy, Integrated Planning and Strategic Action in Albemarle County.
  • 05:38:04
    And so Board, we do appreciate your support for our continuing education efforts.
  • 05:38:12
    I'd like to talk for a minute about our CIP agreement for Bennett's Village.
  • 05:38:16
    Bennett's Village is an all-abilities play space under development at Penn Park.
  • 05:38:23
    This space will cover three acres and will feature fully accessible play structures, a tree house, a sensory garden, cableway, a water play area, a restaurant pavilion, and native landscaping.
  • 05:38:34
    The project is being completed in multiple phases.
  • 05:38:37
    Bennett's Village has successfully fundraised for phase one, and that's the accessible treehouse.
  • 05:38:42
    And now moving forward with phase two, the central play space.
  • 05:38:45
    Albemarle County approved a one-time payment of $65,000 in response to Bennett's Village's request for funding to cover a portion of the construction documents needed for the remaining phases.
  • 05:38:58
    Okay.
  • 05:39:01
    going back to staff development for just a second.
  • 05:39:04
    Captain Kevin Miller recently graduated just within the last month from the FBI National Academy to a couple of things about this Academy.
  • 05:39:13
    It's 10 weeks.
  • 05:39:14
    It is super competitive on a national and international level.
  • 05:39:19
    There are a lot of local jurisdictions who do not get folks through this.
  • 05:39:23
    Captain Miller graduated from this prestigious academy.
  • 05:39:28
    He was among 200, and he represented ACPD among 254 law enforcement officers from 26 countries, plus members of the military and federal organizations.
  • 05:39:40
    The training academy is in Quantico, Virginia, and it's the same location where the FBI trains its special agents.
  • 05:39:47
    and intelligence analyst.
  • 05:39:48
    And so we're really proud of Captain Miller.
  • 05:39:54
    So this happened.
  • 05:39:56
    This is continuity planning efforts.
  • 05:40:00
    And, board, you've heard us talk a lot about it.
  • 05:40:03
    Over the past year, we focused on improving and operationalizing our continuity of operations planning to ensure our county can deliver critical services during any unexpected circumstance.
  • 05:40:14
    Our phase one accomplishment
  • 05:40:16
    trained staff on continuity planning and analyzed how departments function, which led to the appointment of 17 continuity lay on lasons that helps with the planning process.
  • 05:40:27
    We identified critical functions, key personnel, and we established orders of succession for 79 key positions.
  • 05:40:35
    We developed an enterprise continuity plan
  • 05:40:39
    and draft plans for individual departments.
  • 05:40:42
    So phase two goals are to conduct quarterly continuity program meetings, provide department-specific continuity plan trainings and individual department exercises, and then implement plan improvements based on feedback, conduct a countywide continuity exercise one year from now.
  • 05:41:02
    This photo was from last Friday.
  • 05:41:04
    Training was held to raise awareness and understanding
  • 05:41:07
    for why the county has prioritized emergency planning and training.
  • 05:41:12
    So this was a seminar, Lane Auditorium.
  • 05:41:14
    We had about 60 county staff, and we brought a retired police captain in from Virginia Beach, who walked us through a half day of work on a case study of a critical incident in Virginia Beach several years ago.
  • 05:41:30
    It was a shooting.
  • 05:41:33
    that was within the city of Virginia Beach Public Works Department and all of our departments work through what we learned from Virginia Beach as they come up and walked us through.
  • 05:41:45
    This happened about five years ago and they walked us through all of the days and weeks after this event occurred.
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    and so our organization is beginning to really understand that emergency management, it involves every single department in the county.
  • 05:42:00
    When we have an emergency event, we flip the switch and you can see employees in there from the Parks and Recreation Department.
  • 05:42:09
    from Social Services and Community Development.
  • 05:42:12
    And these are departments that I would suggest that years ago they didn't really think of having an active role during an emergency management activity, whereas police and fire, it's really second nature.
  • 05:42:24
    But we're continuing to get stronger in this area.
  • 05:42:29
    Nancy Community Volunteer Events, September Recap.
  • 05:42:32
    I noticed that Ed was here earlier this evening, and I appreciate Ed being here throughout September.
  • 05:42:37
    Nancy hosted multiple volunteer groups, including Centera Martha Jefferson Hospital, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the UVA Radiology Department.
  • 05:42:47
    and that contributed to a total of 146 hours of service.
  • 05:42:54
    volunteers helped maintain the antsy community garden.
  • 05:42:56
    They supported the curbside and the cost food stand distribution.
  • 05:43:00
    handed out 75 bags of fresh vegetables and beautified the native plant garden.
  • 05:43:07
    Also of note, the health department staff conducted three flu vaccination clinic on September the 30th.
  • 05:43:15
    So this is a super active area in our county.
  • 05:43:21
    This picture was just taken, I think, within the last week.
  • 05:43:25
    Our Albemarle County Police Department had a meet and greet with Sember Eris to celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month.
  • 05:43:32
    The Albemarle County Police and Police Foundation hosted a lunch meet and greet
  • 05:43:37
    at Simbereris' office.
  • 05:43:40
    The event provided an opportunity for our police officers and local leaders to connect and discuss important issues within the Hispanic community.
  • 05:43:49
    And this event celebrated ACPD's long-standing partnership with our local Hispanic community leaders.
  • 05:43:55
    And you see a really nice turnout from this event, and I certainly appreciate Police Department's outreach efforts.
  • 05:44:04
    Ford, we wanted to take a minute and just mention really to the community that, you know, two weeks ago today, on October 2nd, Afton Scientific announced a $200 million investment to expand its operations in Albemarle County, enhancing local biopharmaceutical manufacturing.
  • 05:44:23
    This expansion will boost production and increasing access to life-saving injectable medicines for patients, and it will create 200 new jobs.
  • 05:44:32
    Our Governor, Junkin and the Virginia Economic Development Partnership have provided state resources to support this project, highlighting our region's growing biosciences sector.
  • 05:44:43
    So we really do have a strong growing biosciences sector.
  • 05:44:47
    We appreciate the CEO, Tom Thorpe,
  • 05:44:50
    his commitment to our community.
  • 05:44:52
    His story is amazing.
  • 05:44:53
    He's been in our community for 30 years and boy, does he ever invest in our community and does he ever invest in his workforce.
  • 05:45:01
    And that really was clear when we were out there.
  • 05:45:03
    So I appreciate our economic development folks.
  • 05:45:05
    I appreciate their leadership.
  • 05:45:07
    Appreciate this board and our economic development authority.
  • 05:45:11
    A lot of members from the community were there and there was a lot of energy.
  • 05:45:15
    So thank you.
  • 05:45:21
    and I see.
  • 05:45:23
    I think we've got key dates and reminders here where our speed camera warning period is ending.
  • 05:45:27
    We've talked about that.
  • 05:45:28
    That's the 21st.
  • 05:45:30
    You've discussed that.
  • 05:45:32
    Trunker Tree at Claudius Crozet Park is the 24th.
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    Thursday, 24th, 4 to 7.
  • 05:45:39
    That is a high number attendance that evening.
  • 05:45:44
    We have drug take back day on October 26th.
  • 05:45:47
    Great service to our community from 10 until 2 and then tax relief for the elderly and disabled application deadline on Thursday, October 3rd.
  • 05:45:57
    21st.
  • 05:45:57
    So we're really proud of the fact that we've got some things that are happening here.
  • 05:46:03
    And again, I'd go back and highlight this 45 day warning period for the school zone speed enforcement cameras.
  • 05:46:08
    It's going to end soon.
  • 05:46:10
    And we really need our community beginning on October 21st to please slow down when you're in these school zones.
  • 05:46:18
    All right.
  • 05:46:19
    And I think that's it, board.
  • 05:46:20
    And I appreciate your indulgence this evening.
  • 05:46:22
    I know you've had a very, very long and demanding afternoon.
  • 05:46:25
    Mr. Chair, I'll turn it back over to you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:46:27
    Thank you.
  • 05:46:27
    We'll go through our questions and comments.
  • 05:46:30
    Supervisor Prud.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 05:46:32
    I don't know that I have any questions.
  • 05:46:34
    I appreciate the report.
  • 05:46:35
    I remember I was going grocery shopping at Fifth Street Station at the Wegmans, and I saw that big, that big banner flying from one of the ladders of one of our fire teams because they were out there doing their fire prevention work.
  • 05:46:49
    Boy, how do I just get so excited every time I see that giant flag?
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:46:52
    That's all I got.
  • 05:46:54
    It's impressive at Captain Miller.
  • 05:46:56
    I mean, you said 250 some over and that's from around the world.
  • 05:46:59
    I mean, that's, it must be highly exclusive to get in.
  • 05:47:02
    So that's great.
  • 05:47:03
    And make sure you get pictures of the trunk or treats because I think some of us will be on travel and we'll be able to attend.
  • 05:47:10
    Bring some of the candy with you too.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:47:15
    and the trunk of Trina Darden town.
  • 05:47:16
    They always have a SWAT team vehicle and also a motorcycle and a fire truck.
  • 05:47:22
    And so it's always exciting to be there and get inside those.
  • 05:47:26
    Oh, and the kids too.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:47:29
    Yeah.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:47:33
    As always, thank you for the update and things to share with the community.
• • Diantha McKeelSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:47:39
    I appreciate it's great to know.
  • 05:47:41
    And I am really, really
  • 05:47:43
    Thankful and appreciate our staff and all the work around the emergency management.
  • 05:47:50
    That will, we'll pay big dividends at some point.
  • 05:47:53
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:47:55
    And thank you.
  • 05:47:55
    I, again, I applaud the things that we've seen on there of the outreach to the community, the continuity of operations planning, I think is, is critical.
  • 05:48:04
    And, and obviously congratulations, Captain Miller.
  • 05:48:08
    So thank you for the report.
  • 05:48:12
    Board, this brings us to from the board committee reports and matters and not listed on the agenda, which we would do before we go into a closed session in the evening with our last item.
  • 05:48:24
    So we'll, we'll see if we can go through order on this and provides you with proof.
  • 05:48:29
    I have nothing for the board.
• • Ned GallawaySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:48:32
    All right, real quick at the last TJ PDC meeting and fiscal year 24 had our cigarette.
  • 05:48:37
    This is our blue-red cigarette board tax sales tax board and fiscal year 24 total pack sold was eight and a half million in the region.
  • 05:48:49
    Give you some context in August of 24, that was 764,000.
  • 05:48:51
    However, that high number represents a 9% decline over fiscal year 23.
  • 05:49:00
    So the trend has gone down and apparently that's happening nationally as well.
  • 05:49:06
    However, this doesn't take into account like vaping.
  • 05:49:09
    So you wonder if the cigarettes are being replaced by vaping, but that's not out there.
  • 05:49:15
    So that you're for Albemarle, fiscal year 24, 2.2 million packs were sold in Albemarle.
  • 05:49:23
    We were only outdone by Augusta, who were at 2.6 million.
  • 05:49:25
    And that gave us
  • 05:49:30
    We collected for fiscal year $24,824,485 from that, and that would have been after the costs.
  • 05:49:39
    So that's what we netted based on the cigarette tax.
  • 05:49:41
    I just report that each year when we get that.
  • 05:49:43
    So I'm sharing that information this evening.
  • 05:49:45
    Thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:49:47
    Supervisor Lapisto-Curtan.
  • 05:49:49
    Nothing, thank you.
  • 05:49:49
    Vice Mayor Mellon.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:49:51
    None for me either.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:49:53
    Supervisor McHugh.
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:49:54
    I'm good, thank you.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:49:55
    I just want to quickly report that we did have a solid waste alternatives advisory committee meeting.
  • 05:50:02
    One of the things that I just want to mention that we recognize from our climate action plan is that one of the low hanging
  • 05:50:10
    Brutes, as far as solid waste alternatives is not the usual recycling, but actually compost and solid food waste, which is why certainly the discussion earlier of loaves and fishes, Jane Colony Mills is now on the swag because of
  • 05:50:25
    and the addressing food waste.
  • 05:50:27
    And so there was a discussion just to let you know about considering a joint effort with the city to study how compost might be picked up in a pilot program or something.
  • 05:50:38
    And so that's one of the things that's being looked at.
  • 05:50:40
    There's also discussion about eventually coming to us to look at more information, finding out more information from haulers.
  • 05:50:47
    of Trash and how they do that and where they're taking it and what it is.
  • 05:50:54
    So look for those in the future.
  • 05:50:56
    I just wanted to highlight those from the meeting.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:50:59
    did the add on to that what's really upsetting about the haulers is a lot of them say that they recycle and they don't.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:51:05
    So we're looking for ways to make sure we know what they're doing.
  • 05:51:09
    Is there anything else on the board then?
• • Ann MallekSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:51:12
    Any question to leave with you?
  • 05:51:14
    That is, is there any discussion about diversion of edible food from the trash?
  • 05:51:21
    in other words whether there are this is one of the prep for possible programs is to to develop some compost sites so that people could actually take compostables and food and food waste to those sites but I'm talking about not to waste not waste people to eat I mean right there because I know if you go late to Boto's and they don't even take this give the stuff to loaves or anybody they just throw it out
  • 05:51:46
    And I don't know if there's laws that require that.
  • 05:51:50
    There used to be, a number of years ago, restaurants and things were sharing stuff at the end of their day and packaging it up.
  • 05:51:56
    So I don't know how to carry that out, but I thought I would ask because I think there's a huge amount that goes into the dumpster that could be really used by
  • 05:52:06
    and I think the United States is pretty awful about throwing stones at other countries.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:52:10
    I mentioned earlier, loaves and fishes, of course, gets food from grocery stores that is nearing expiration.
  • 05:52:15
    But when we specifically asked Jane about food waste, food from, uneaten food from restaurants, she said it's very difficult to use prepared foods in those contexts.
  • 05:52:28
    So that's one of the complexities.
  • 05:52:33
    Shelters maybe like that.
• • Bea LaPisto-KirtleySupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:52:35
    You have to look at the best by date and, you know, certain foods can go a little longer, but if it's eaten at a restaurant, you don't know when it was.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:52:44
    With that, I think we're ready for a motion to go into closed session.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 05:52:48
    I would like to move that the Board of Supervisors convene a closed meeting pursuant to Section 2.2 Tech 3711A of the Code of Virginia first under subsection 7 to consult with legal counsel and receive briefings by staff members pertaining to actual litigation concerning a contract claim in the case styled SL Williamson Company Incorporated versus County of Albemarle, Virginia where consultation or briefing in an open meeting would adversely affect the negotiating or litigating posture of the county and the board and second under subsection 8
  • 05:53:17
    to consult with legal counsel regarding specific legal matters requiring legal advice related to homestay requirements.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:53:25
    Second.
  • 05:53:26
    We have a motion from Supervisor Prude, a second from Supervisor Malek without objection to the court call roll.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 05:53:31
    Ms.
  • 05:53:31
    Malek.
  • 05:53:32
    Yes.
  • 05:53:32
    Ms.
  • 05:53:32
    McHale.
  • 05:53:33
    Yes.
  • 05:53:33
    Mr. Prude.
  • 05:53:34
    Aye.
  • 05:53:34
    Mr. Andrews.
  • 05:53:35
    Yes.
  • 05:53:35
    Mr. Galloway.
  • 05:53:36
    Yes.
  • 05:53:37
    Ms.
  • 05:53:37
    LePister-Curtley.
  • 05:53:38
    Aye.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:53:38
    Thank you.
• • SPEAKER_08
  • 05:53:41
    I would like to move the Board of Supervisors certified by our report of vote that to the best of each supervisor's knowledge only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirement of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and identified in the motion authorizing of those meeting were her discussed or considered in the closed meetings.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:54:03
    Motion from Supervisor Pruitt a second from Supervisor Malek without objection at the court will call the roll.
• • SPEAKER_02
  • 05:54:09
    Yes.
  • 05:54:11
    Yes.
  • 05:54:12
    Yes.
  • 05:54:13
    Yes.
  • 05:54:14
    I'm bored.
• • Jim AndrewsSupervisor, Board of Supervisors
  • 05:54:16
    I don't think there's anything else coming out of closed meeting.
  • 05:54:18
    If anyone has anything else, otherwise I will say we are
  • 05:54:22
    adjourned.
  • 05:54:23
    And our next regular scheduled meeting is on Wednesday, November 6, 2021, PM and Lane Auditorium opportunities for the public to access and participate in this meeting are posted on the Albemarle County website on the Board of Supervisors homepage.
  • 05:54:35
    And on the Albemarle County calendar, participation will include the opportunity to comment on those matters for which comments from the public will be received.
  • 05:54:43
    And good night.